The Ben Shapiro Show - A Grinding Halt | Ep. 971

00:00:00.000 America grinds to a halt as Americans lock down to stop the spread of coronavirus.

00:00:04.000 Joe Biden gets political by attacking President Trump's response.

00:00:07.000 And politicians spar over the appropriate response.

00:00:10.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:10.000 This is the Ben Shapiro Show.

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00:00:23.000 Okay.

00:00:24.000 First of all, folks, we're all going to get through this.

00:00:25.000 We're going to get through this together.

00:00:27.000 It's going to be okay.

00:00:27.000 We're going to be here with you the entire time.

00:00:29.000 We're adding all sorts of new services where we can hang out together while we're at home self-quarantining.

00:00:33.000 You're going to be spending a lot more time at home in the next few weeks.

00:00:35.000 We're adding new services here at Daily Wire.

00:00:37.000 We are ensuring that you're up to date on all the news.

00:00:39.000 Here's the truth.

00:00:40.000 There is an expiration date for this thing.

00:00:42.000 This is not going to change American life forever.

00:00:44.000 Three years from now, we're not still going to be locked in our homes.

00:00:46.000 But it is a very good thing that Americans are taking coronavirus seriously.

00:00:50.000 Over time, it has become obvious how serious this coronavirus threat is.

00:00:54.000 And it is not an unserious threat.

00:00:55.000 And we're not going to know just how serious the threat is until a little bit of time passes.

00:00:59.000 So being cautious, And shutting things down, that is the smart thing to do.

00:01:03.000 Now the reason that it's the smart thing to do, the reason that we should be shutting things down and why it's a smart thing, to avoid mass gatherings, why it is a smart thing to use social distancing, why it is a smart thing to stay home a little bit more than usual and Netflix and chill.

00:01:16.000 The reason for this is because what we're trying to do is flatten the curve, right?

00:01:20.000 That is the goal.

00:01:21.000 You've heard this phrase before, flatten the curve.

00:01:22.000 Now here's what people mean when they talk about flattening the curve.

00:01:25.000 So let's assume for a second, That you have a sort of bell-shaped curve as to when most of this outbreak is going to take place.

00:01:33.000 And let's assume that that bell-shaped curve is early on, meaning that a lot of people get it very quickly.

00:01:39.000 And let's assume, as is the truth, that we have limited resources to deal with the number of people who are going to be input in the system.

00:01:45.000 Well, if the number of infections is spread out over a broader period of time, then the bell-shaped curve is shallower.

00:01:51.000 If it's spread out over time, then you get a shallower shaped bell shaped curve.

00:01:55.000 If it is spread out very quickly, then you end up with a very narrow and tall bell shaped curve.

00:02:00.000 So I'm going to show you how this works.

00:02:01.000 So let's say that here is worst case scenario.

00:02:06.000 Okay, this is worst-case scenario.

00:02:07.000 If you can't see it, I'm holding up a piece of paper, and it shows a taller bell-shaped curve.

00:02:11.000 Worst-case scenario, right?

00:02:12.000 Early on, you get a lot of infections.

00:02:14.000 And here is sort of best-case scenario.

00:02:16.000 Same number of infections, but spread out over a broader period of time.

00:02:19.000 The reason this matters is let's assume that the number of hospital beds available is this particular line.

00:02:24.000 Okay, this line is the number of hospital beds available, and it's constant over time.

00:02:27.000 Now, that's not really true.

00:02:28.000 There's going to be an increase in hospital beds and ICU beds.

00:02:31.000 There's going to be an increase in the federal government's capacity to respond, and in private industry's capacity to respond, by the way.

00:02:36.000 It is imperative to note, for all the talk of Medicare for All and the federal government handling all this stuff, it is mainly private labs.

00:02:42.000 It is mainly hospitals that have private funding that are going to be taking care of a lot of these problems, and that's a very good thing.

00:02:48.000 Okay, America does have good public health response.

00:02:50.000 America does have some elasticity in its market and some flexibility in what private industry is allowed to do.

00:02:54.000 The testing kits that everybody is complaining about, most of those are not going to be coming courtesy of the federal government.

00:02:59.000 Most of those are going to be coming courtesy of private labs that are being repurposed, like Quest Diagnostics.

00:03:03.000 They're going to be repurposed in order to do lots of coronavirus tests.

00:03:06.000 Okay, so back to this little chart.

00:03:08.000 So let's say that this is best case scenario.

00:03:10.000 Perfect.

00:03:11.000 Okay, so this is a better graphic.

00:03:13.000 As you can see, I'm basically drawing the same thing.

00:03:16.000 Number of cases is on your vertical axis.

00:03:19.000 Time since first case is on your horizontal axis.

00:03:21.000 Y-axis is number of cases.

00:03:22.000 X-axis is the time since the first case.

00:03:25.000 And let's say the healthcare system capacity is the dotted line that you see across the middle of the screen.

00:03:29.000 Okay, if If there are no protective measures and everybody gets this thing early, right?

00:03:35.000 We're all out in big crowds.

00:03:36.000 We're going to NCAA basketball games.

00:03:38.000 This thing is spreading quickly.

00:03:39.000 Then what you see is all of the cases grouped very early on, right?

00:03:44.000 Time since first case, everybody's getting grouped very early, okay?

00:03:47.000 And over time, if you get put protective measures in place, people are getting it.

00:03:50.000 People are still getting it, right?

00:03:51.000 You're still getting it.

00:03:51.000 But instead of you getting it in April, you're getting it in September.

00:03:54.000 What's important about that is that if you are acting below that dotted line, then yes, there will be a bed for you at the hospital, even if you need a ventilator, even if you need a respirator, that stuff is available to you.

00:04:05.000 If, however, there is a glut in the system, this is what's happening in Italy.

00:04:08.000 This is why Italy is a disaster area.

00:04:10.000 If there's a glut in the system and there just aren't enough beds, you end up in worst case scenario.

00:04:14.000 And worst case scenario is a lot, a lot of people who are diagnosed and they are above the healthcare system capacity.

00:04:20.000 And that's when you have to start doing as Ezekiel Emanuel, the founder of Obamacare and now Obama, and now Obama Biden advisor.

00:04:26.000 That's where you get healthcare rationing, right? 0.57

00:04:28.000 That is worst case scenario.

00:04:29.000 That is the government, that is the hospitals deciding who deserves care and who does not, right?

00:04:35.000 How you prioritize those people.

00:04:36.000 Ezekiel Emanuel had a very scary column in today's New York Times talking specifically about the necessity.

00:04:42.000 for rationing if it comes to that, and how exactly we think about those things.

00:04:46.000 And that, of course, is stuff that nobody wants to think about, right?

00:04:48.000 It's stuff about, are you prioritizing medical personnel, right?

00:04:52.000 A doctor gets it.

00:04:53.000 Does that person get higher priority than a publicist?

00:04:55.000 You're prioritizing based on age, based on health and life expectancy.

00:04:59.000 Do you prioritize the 30-year-old over the 80-year-old?

00:05:02.000 Do you prioritize based on the amount of healthcare needed, right?

00:05:05.000 Because if you have one person who's going to suck up a lot of resources and live versus five people who are going to suck up fewer resources and live, you pick the five over the one, right?

00:05:13.000 You get into basic lifeboat ethics and that's where you don't want to be.

00:05:16.000 So it is very good that it's a country.

00:05:18.000 And let's just be real about this.

00:05:20.000 This is not because of the federal government.

00:05:21.000 It's not.

00:05:22.000 It's because people across the country suddenly started taking various and private industry started taking very seriously the threat of coronavirus.

00:05:28.000 Okay.

00:05:29.000 Disneyland shut down.

00:05:30.000 You've seen the NCAA shut down.

00:05:33.000 The NBA shut down.

00:05:35.000 I know in my own community, our schools, our kids' schools shut down, starting on Monday.

00:05:39.000 All the schools are gonna be shut down.

00:05:41.000 The synagogues are shutting down all across, I mean, to understand how crazy this is.

00:05:48.000 I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime.

00:05:49.000 You've never seen anything like it in your lifetime, unless you remember 1918.

00:05:52.000 In order for you to understand how crazy this is, understand that in Judaism, it is a religious obligation.

00:05:58.000 Like, it is a full-on mitzvah for you to go to synagogue and pray on Saturday with a minion. 0.67

00:06:04.000 In Israel, for a couple of weeks now, they've already had measures in place that say, don't go to synagogue, right?

00:06:08.000 Stay home.

00:06:09.000 We'll figure out a different way for you to fulfill the obligation.

00:06:11.000 Even if you can't fulfill the obligation, there is too much of a threat for you to go to synagogue.

00:06:15.000 Local synagogues in my area, in Los Angeles, are shutting their doors and saying, okay, we are not even going to hold services.

00:06:22.000 And we know that in Italy, they've shut down mass, which of course is the same thing.

00:06:25.000 They're shutting down religious services.

00:06:27.000 The Mormon Church, the Church of Latter-day Saints, they shut down all of their communal services.

00:06:33.000 This is all good.

00:06:34.000 This is all smart.

00:06:34.000 This is what the American people should be doing.

00:06:36.000 And maybe we'll look at the best-case scenario.

00:06:38.000 We look back on all of this and we say, well, you know what?

00:06:40.000 We did too much.

00:06:41.000 We didn't actually need to do all of that.

00:06:42.000 That is best-case scenario.

00:06:45.000 If we actually want to get this thing under control, if we want to bend that curve below the healthcare capacity, it is imperative that people exercise discretion.

00:06:52.000 It is imperative that people continue to do things like washing their hands.

00:06:56.000 It is imperative they avoid large public gatherings.

00:06:58.000 If you are going to be out in public, you got to have a certain amount of distance from other people.

00:07:02.000 This is all changing our way of life and it cuts directly against, it really does, it cuts directly against what we as human beings tend to do in times of crisis.

00:07:09.000 When you're in a crisis, when there's a real danger, human beings tend to flock to the herd, right?

00:07:13.000 I mean, that's just natural human thing.

00:07:15.000 You want human company.

00:07:16.000 You want to be around other people.

00:07:18.000 You want to feel safe because you feel safer in the herd, right?

00:07:20.000 We are a social creature.

00:07:21.000 Humans are social animals.

00:07:22.000 And now we're being told, okay, time of danger, isolate.

00:07:25.000 Okay, that is directly contrary to everything that we are used to.

00:07:29.000 That's right.

00:07:29.000 You know, frankly, thank God for the Internet.

00:07:31.000 Thank God for the fact that we can communicate as easily as we can in the modern world, that we can FaceTime with friends and family.

00:07:36.000 It's not a substitute, obviously, for being in the same room with somebody, or hugging a friend, or shaking hands with somebody.

00:07:42.000 Those going the way of the dodo bird, it's actually quite tragic, because these are ways that we communicate with each other, natural human ways that we communicate with each other.

00:07:51.000 With that said, We here at Daily Wire, we're gonna make it a point to try and reach out to you more.

00:07:56.000 We're gonna try and make it a point so that you don't feel alone.

00:07:58.000 We don't feel alone.

00:07:59.000 We're all in this together.

00:08:00.000 We really are.

00:08:01.000 And again, there is an end point here.

00:08:02.000 Even people who are really pessimistic about this kind of stuff, like Scott Gottlieb, the former FDA commissioner, even he is saying, we're not looking at a forever change here.

00:08:09.000 We are looking at a couple months change, and then there are gonna be some permanent changes to our way of life.

00:08:13.000 Like, you know, things may change as far as how movie theaters are seated.

00:08:17.000 Things may change as far as how you go to a ballgame.

00:08:19.000 But the fact is that this is a temporary thing.

00:08:22.000 A vaccine will be developed.

00:08:23.000 We will get through this.

00:08:25.000 We are going to bring all resources to bear.

00:08:26.000 And if we're smart about it, then we will have bent the curve so that fewer people die, particularly older and sicker people and people with pre-existing conditions, because those are the people who are uniquely vulnerable.

00:08:34.000 Okay, I'm going to get to more of this in a second, because information first and politics second, okay?

00:08:38.000 I'm really tired.

00:08:39.000 Frankly, I do a political show.

00:08:41.000 I am sick and tired of everything being political.

00:08:43.000 This is not a time for politics.

00:08:44.000 If you are sitting around and your first thought is, how does this affect Trump?

00:08:47.000 Does this mean he's going to get reelected or not reelected?

00:08:49.000 If you're sitting there on the left and you're cheering because you think, OK, well, this means that Biden's going to be president.

00:08:53.000 Or if you're on the right going, fulminating because focus on the focus on the virus is hurting President Trump.

00:09:00.000 You're doing being human wrong.

00:09:01.000 OK, that is a secondary priority at this point.

00:09:03.000 The only thing that matters is saving lives.

00:09:06.000 And frankly, I think that I hope that even our politicians know this.

00:09:10.000 I have my doubts, as we'll get to in a second, but I think that most human beings deep down know that this is a time when we need to put the politics aside and really focus on what exactly is going to save lives.

00:09:18.000 Okay, we're going to get into more of that in just one second.

00:09:21.000 First, let's talk about your sleep quality.

00:09:22.000 So, is all this keeping you awake at night?

00:09:25.000 It may be.

00:09:25.000 Well, thank God for the internet, because the fact is that thanks to the internet and thanks to delivery services, you will be able to get all the things that you could possibly want in your home anyway.

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00:09:40.000 I mean, this is particularly true for me.

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00:10:38.000 Okay, so how bad is this thing going to get?

00:10:40.000 Well, Nobody knows is the answer because we don't actually know the transmission rate.

00:10:43.000 We know it's easier to transmit than the flu apparently.

00:10:45.000 We also know it's more deadly than the flu according to Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institute for Allergies and Infectious Disease.

00:10:52.000 According to Fauci, this thing is at least 10 times as deadly as the flu.

00:10:56.000 We don't actually know the rates because in some areas it's a lot lower than in other areas.

00:11:00.000 We don't know because we don't know what the public health response is going to be.

00:11:02.000 We don't know how much of this is due to lack of proper medical staffing and how much of this is due to the actual deadliness of the disease itself.

00:11:11.000 With that said, it is obviously very risky and there have been a wide variety of sort of articles put out there about how bad this thing could get.

00:11:20.000 The New York Times has put together a model.

00:11:22.000 Nicholas Kristof and Stuart Thompson writing, what's at stake in this coronavirus pandemic?

00:11:26.000 How many Americans could become infected?

00:11:27.000 How many might actually die?

00:11:28.000 The answers depend on the actions we take and crucially on when we take them.

00:11:31.000 Working with infectious disease epidemiologists, we developed an interactive tool that lets you see what may lie ahead in the United States, how much of a difference it could make if officials act quickly.

00:11:39.000 The figures are for America.

00:11:41.000 The lessons are broadly applicable to any country.

00:11:43.000 Okay, so they have a bunch of different scenarios here as far as what exactly could happen.

00:11:50.000 So they say if we stayed on current track, then the model predicts that roughly a third of Americans, more than 100 million people could become infected, including more than 9 million people at one time.

00:11:59.000 As we take no protective measures, basically.

00:12:01.000 That's if we just kind of leave everything as it is, we don't build up capacity, we don't stay home, we don't cancel events.

00:12:06.000 That, of course, is not what's happening.

00:12:07.000 We're already moving along the South Korean tack, which is lock it down, lock everything down, stay home, which is the smart thing to do. 1.00

00:12:16.000 In this particular scenario, Up to a million people could die in the United States, which of course would be just an unbelievable trauma, an unbelievable trauma to the United States.

00:12:25.000 That'd be if no action was taken and if the peak of the infections happened in mid-July.

00:12:30.000 That also assumes that presumably the summer would not really curtail the spread of the virus, which is sort of doubtful.

00:12:37.000 Okay, interventions early on mattered an awful lot.

00:12:41.000 If there are additional interventions, like ending public gatherings, closing workplaces and schools, mass testing, fortifying hospitals, if those additional interventions were to begin sometime in May, which, I mean, frankly, I think that it seems like we've snapped into place pretty quickly here.

00:12:53.000 I mean, it's really early March.

00:12:55.000 If that happens, then you could see 4.5 million infections at the peak and 475,000 total deaths.

00:13:00.000 Now, to put that in perspective, that would be like 10 times the number of people who die from the flu every year.

00:13:04.000 So that would still be a massive trauma.

00:13:07.000 If it's even earlier, then obviously the numbers go down.

00:13:11.000 If the interventions be in one month later, like in the middle of July, the number of infections climbs by more than two million, you get two thirds of a million deaths.

00:13:18.000 So, moving as quickly as humanly possible would be the best possible scenario.

00:13:25.000 They're sort of suggesting that the best possible scenario, let's say that we put into action these interventions like right now.

00:13:32.000 According to the Times model, you'd get 3 million infections at the peak and you get about 320,000 total deaths.

00:13:38.000 It's like their best case scenario.

00:13:39.000 Okay, so maybe they're wrong.

00:13:41.000 Maybe that thing wanes in the summer.

00:13:43.000 But aggressiveness matters, right?

00:13:46.000 If you aggressively act, if you get very aggressive, like everything shuts down, then this starts to look more like a seasonal flu.

00:13:54.000 If you act right now, best case scenario, you act right now, everything shuts down, the schools shut, we stop going to ball games, we stop going to... If we go to restaurants, we stay far away from one another, we clean our areas.

00:14:07.000 If you go to the gym, you wipe down all your equipment, you start doing a lot more things at home.

00:14:10.000 Basically, you revert to sort of a cabin mentality.

00:14:12.000 You're in here with your family, you go on hikes.

00:14:15.000 That's sort of what your life becomes.

00:14:17.000 A lot of homeschooling, less communal gathering.

00:14:20.000 If you do that, then according to this New York Times model you get 513,000 infections at peak and 51,000 total deaths.

00:14:27.000 And then it starts to look much more like a seasonal flu.

00:14:30.000 As the New York Times points out, what matters is not only the total number of infections, but also how many occur at once.

00:14:36.000 Overloaded hospitals and shortages of ventilators in ICUs would result in people dying unnecessarily from coronavirus, as well as from heart attacks and other ailments.

00:14:44.000 Successful interventions are crucial.

00:14:45.000 They flatten the curve.

00:14:46.000 We're much better off if the 100 million infections occur over 18 months rather than over 18 weeks.

00:14:52.000 If you look at the same number of ICU cases as before, but modeled at a much slower rate to finish beneath the 95,000 available ICU beds in the country, then the number of deaths is a lot, a lot lower.

00:15:04.000 So it is really important that people take aggressive actions right now not to get in group scenarios.

00:15:12.000 This is according to the scientists, okay?

00:15:14.000 So I'm just citing the scientists here.

00:15:15.000 This is not alarmism.

00:15:16.000 This is not politically oriented in any way.

00:15:18.000 Be smart.

00:15:19.000 Don't go to big parties.

00:15:20.000 Postpone your parties, okay?

00:15:21.000 If you're gonna have a wedding, you might think about postponing the wedding until post-July, right?

00:15:26.000 See where things are at in a couple of months.

00:15:29.000 If you're talking about major gatherings, you might talk about postponing those major gatherings.

00:15:32.000 If you're talking about a birthday party, you might think about saying, okay, you know what?

00:15:35.000 Next year we're going to go twice as big on the birthday party as opposed to getting together this year.

00:15:39.000 Listen, all of this hurts.

00:15:41.000 I know, I know.

00:15:41.000 I have young kids, right?

00:15:43.000 I have a kid who is six.

00:15:44.000 I have a kid who is three.

00:15:45.000 I have a kid who is a week old, right?

00:15:47.000 I get all this.

00:15:48.000 I have parents who are in their sixties.

00:15:52.000 They run the gamut in terms of vulnerability.

00:15:54.000 I understand my kids want to play with the other kids.

00:15:55.000 My kids want to go to school.

00:15:56.000 They don't want to stay home.

00:15:58.000 I get all of this.

00:15:59.000 I want to eat at restaurants.

00:16:00.000 I want to go to ballgames.

00:16:01.000 I bought tickets for a ballgame with my dad like a month ago.

00:16:04.000 Now I'm very glad that the MLB is pushing back its season.

00:16:07.000 I'm very glad that the NBA is doing what it's doing.

00:16:10.000 Lock it down.

00:16:11.000 Lock it down.

00:16:12.000 Be responsible.

00:16:13.000 And by the way, a lot of these supply lines are going to come back online in terms of hand sanitizer.

00:16:18.000 Don't worry about there being a permanent outage of hand sanitizer.

00:16:20.000 There's a rush right now.

00:16:21.000 In two weeks, the rush will basically be over.

00:16:24.000 There will be supply lines for groceries.

00:16:26.000 People are not going to starve in the United States.

00:16:27.000 Even in Italy, the grocery stores and pharmacies are still operating.

00:16:31.000 So right now people are sort of buying up, understandably, right?

00:16:34.000 We're all freaking out a little bit.

00:16:35.000 So everybody's going to the grocery stores and they're buying out the shelves.

00:16:38.000 Producer Pavel was showing me a picture from his local grocery store and everything was taken off the shelves except for the cauliflower, oddly enough.

00:16:45.000 Turns out that people would rather die than buy the cauliflower, which is perfectly understandable.

00:16:49.000 Vegan dishes are still not seeing an uptick in their spike here.

00:16:51.000 But with that said, This will alleviate the one area of American life where things will continue to be produced is in the grocery and pharmacy section.

00:16:59.000 So I wouldn't worry too much about that.

00:17:02.000 The government is going to take some aggressive actions in terms of shoring up the financial infrastructure.

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00:18:21.000 Okay, so what exactly are the measures that have been taken in different countries around the world?

00:18:26.000 Now, the measures vary widely.

00:18:27.000 If you look at the outbreak levels and the death levels in various countries, The New York Times, their maps on this are actually quite good.

00:18:35.000 The New York Times has some outbreak maps showing exactly how many people have been diagnosed in particular areas of the world.

00:18:44.000 The United States currently has over 1600 diagnoses, but we have a tremendous lack of testing.

00:18:48.000 Mike DeWine, the governor of Ohio, basically announced that maybe there's a 1% infection rate in the state of Ohio already, which would mean presumably 100,000 infections.

00:18:55.000 China, which has been lying about its numbers for a long time, they said there are 81,000 cases in China.

00:18:59.000 South Korea says 7,800.

00:19:01.000 Japan has 1,300.

00:19:02.000 Most of those are from the Diamond Princess cruise.

00:19:04.000 Iran has over 10,000.

00:19:04.000 Italy has over 15,000.

00:19:05.000 Spain has 3,800.

00:19:05.000 France has 2,800.

00:19:06.000 Germany has 3,000.

00:19:06.000 These numbers are not that big.

00:19:12.000 On a raw scale, what people are afraid of, of course, is the exponential growth.

00:19:15.000 As I mentioned yesterday, human beings do not have a great capacity to understand exponential growth.

00:19:19.000 We understand arithmetic growth.

00:19:20.000 Right?

00:19:20.000 Yesterday, there was one.

00:19:21.000 Tomorrow, there will be two.

00:19:22.000 The day after, there will be three.

00:19:24.000 Right?

00:19:24.000 We understand arithmetic growth, the straight line growth.

00:19:26.000 What we don't understand is the curve.

00:19:27.000 Right?

00:19:28.000 We don't understand because the curve looks like 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, and suddenly every doubling becomes enormous.

00:19:36.000 Right, suddenly you're talking about doubling from 10,000 cases to 20,000 cases in the same period of time.

00:19:41.000 It took to double from one to two.

00:19:42.000 Okay, so right now what we're looking at in Italy is 15,000 cases and 1,000 deaths.

00:19:48.000 It's a very high death rate.

00:19:49.000 Again, that is because of strains on the healthcare system over there.

00:19:52.000 But if you look in places like South Korea, those rates are significantly, significantly lower.

00:19:56.000 Okay, so what exactly is happening in these various countries that have done a successful job trying to shut this thing down?

00:20:03.000 According to the New York Times, The various scenarios that have been used make a big difference.

00:20:09.000 Benjamin Cowling and Weiwen Lim.

00:20:11.000 Cowling's an epidemiologist, Lim is a graduate student in epidemiology.

00:20:15.000 They write about Singapore, Taiwan, and Hong Kong, talking about how they brought the outbreaks under control.

00:20:19.000 They say, in late January, after a sluggish and problematic initial response, the government of mainland China put in place unprecedented containment and social distancing measures and locked down major cities, noticeably Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak.

00:20:30.000 And impose various travel restrictions throughout the country.

00:20:32.000 There's a piece in the New York Times that ridiculously suggests that China bought us time.

00:20:36.000 China is the reason this is a problem in the first place. 1.00

00:20:38.000 It's because it's a poor, decrepit country that runs top down in a fashion where they silence people who are trying to bring information to the general public, imprisons them, shuts them down. 0.98

00:20:47.000 And then the country is so poor overall that people are literally eating pangolins because they have nothing else to eat with these crap exotic meat markets. 0.95

00:20:54.000 You've got a communist dictatorship that is unable to even shut down the meat markets that have been responsible for SARS, MERS, and now this one? 0.86

00:21:00.000 I mean, seriously, I don't want to hear China getting credit for its literacy programs from Bernie.

00:21:06.000 China is at fault for this. 1.00

00:21:08.000 China in the international trade sphere is going to be held responsible for this.

00:21:11.000 People are not going to create factories in China at the rate they once did.

00:21:14.000 There will be a diversification economically.

00:21:17.000 Away from China in response to the fact that China has now been the source of several of these pandemics. 0.97

00:21:22.000 It's what a disaster area.

00:21:23.000 But Chinese response was a complete lockdown.

00:21:26.000 The testing capacity of laboratories was rapidly expanded to relieve pressure on hospitals.

00:21:30.000 Patients with milder symptoms were placed in temporary isolation facilities set up in gyms and event halls.

00:21:35.000 New hospitals were constructed.

00:21:37.000 People who had come into contact with anyone infected were sent to designated facilities, typically converted hotels or hostels, for prophylactic quarantine.

00:21:44.000 Home quarantine was advised only for those at slight risk of infection.

00:21:47.000 Initially, all residents of Wuhan basically were required to stay home.

00:21:51.000 Schools and workplaces were closed well after the end of the Lunar New Year festival.

00:21:55.000 The scale was extraordinary, but it seems to have worked to contain the spread of COVID-19 in China.

00:22:01.000 The number of new cases reported every day is a lot lower than it was before.

00:22:05.000 But instead of looking at China, which is obviously a repressive authoritarian country, we should instead look at some less authoritarian and repressive countries, places like Singapore, Taiwan, and Hong Kong.

00:22:14.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:23:31.000 Okay, so let's look at some of these other examples of countries that have done a good job at locking down.

00:23:35.000 As of midday on Friday, according to these columnists, one epidemiologist for the New York Times, Singapore had 187 confirmed cases and no deaths for a population of about 5.7 million.

00:23:45.000 Taiwan had 50 confirmed cases, including one death for a population of 24 million.

00:23:49.000 Hong Kong had 131 confirmed cases, including four deaths for a total population of about 7.5 million.

00:23:56.000 All three governments have implemented some combination of measures to, first, reduce the arrival of new cases into the community.

00:24:01.000 Those would be travel restrictions, as we'll see in a little while.

00:24:03.000 The media, intent on hitting President Trump, are ripping on his travel ban from Europe.

00:24:08.000 The fact is, Dr. Anthony Fauci, who I trust a hell of a lot more than any of the people criticizing Fauci on virtually all of this stuff, he was defending the European travel ban.

00:24:16.000 In fact, here is Dr. Fauci specifically talking about why the European travel ban is a pretty good idea. 0.99

00:24:20.000 I think that was a prudent choice.

00:24:22.000 We spent a lot of time thinking about it, discussing it, about whether we should do it, and it was the right public health call.

00:24:29.000 And here's the numerical reason why.

00:24:31.000 New cases throughout the world, the majority of them are from Europe, Europe to other countries.

00:24:37.000 If you look in the United States, at states that have new cases, the majority of them are coming from that region.

00:24:45.000 It was based on that that the travel restriction was suggested and accepted.

00:24:49.000 OK, this is backed by Dr. Robert Redfield, who happens to be the head of the CDC.

00:24:53.000 He was testifying yesterday and he suggested, yeah, of course we recommended the travel ban.

00:24:57.000 Like, it's not just that Trump came up with this thing off the top of his head.

00:25:00.000 Like, there's some pretty good evidence for it.

00:25:02.000 Real risk in general right now, and this is why the president took the action he did last night.

00:25:09.000 Within the world now, over 70 percent of the new cases are linked to Europe.

00:25:14.000 And in the United States, I think it was now 35, 30 states in our country.

00:25:21.000 30 states or more were linked to actually the cases of Europe.

00:25:24.000 Europe is the new China. 0.97

00:25:26.000 And that's why the president made those statements.

00:25:30.000 Okay, so the media obviously are ripping on Trump for the European travel ban, but everybody acknowledges that a travel ban, shutting down travel for the moment, internationally at the very least, is probably a good idea.

00:25:40.000 These columnists, including an epidemiologist for the New York Times, continue, The other measures taken by Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore specifically prevent possible transmission between known cases and the local population, which is quarantines.

00:25:51.000 And finally, generally suppress silent transmission in the community by reducing contact between individuals, self-isolation, social distancing, heightened hygiene.

00:25:58.000 Each of these countries has a different approach.

00:26:00.000 Singapore could take aggressive measures to block the arrival of infection from China, and they did.

00:26:06.000 The Singapore authorities also undertook especially intensive efforts to trace the context of people known to be infected.

00:26:11.000 We already have community infection in the United States, so we're sort of past that at this point, but...

00:26:16.000 Singapore has implemented all sorts of recommended personal hygiene habits, using a tissue when you cough or you sneeze, using designated serving spoons during group meals, using trays when you eat or drink to limit contamination in case of spills, keeping public toilets clean and dry, regular hand washing.

00:26:31.000 Taiwan took a slightly different tack.

00:26:33.000 As soon as early January, Taiwanese medical authorities would board incoming flights from Wuhan and inspect and screen travelers on the plane.

00:26:40.000 Taiwan has also taken a rather mixed approach in its efforts to reduce transmission within the community.

00:26:45.000 Home quarantine has been the predominant method of isolation, even when state facilities were in fact available, and they've been ensuring strict penalties against anyone who breaks an isolation order, including fines of up to $30,000 if you're ordered to stay home and then you do not.

00:26:58.000 Also, religious institutions, suspended services, organizers of mass events were encouraged to defer or cancel those events.

00:27:04.000 Hong Kong had a different approach.

00:27:06.000 Their approach, again, involved screening people who were coming in from China.

00:27:11.000 And they also recommended that anybody who arrived from elsewhere was forced to undergo a mandatory 14-day period of quarantine.

00:27:19.000 So all of these measures are things that, most of these measures are things that we in the United States can do.

00:27:24.000 Now the big question is how widespread this is in the United States right now.

00:27:27.000 And the big short fall of the federal government thus far has been the lack of testing kits available those testing kits are mainly going to be produced as i've said before by private industry so while a lot of people are talking about the evils of private industry medicare for all and all the rest of this the fact is that it is private industry that's going to be picking up the slack here it is private companies private testing companies that have picked up the slack in fact there there's new tests that are being brought out as in like right now that are going to allow 24 hour turnaround

00:27:55.000 The FDA is allowing the emergency use of a novel coronavirus testing system designed by Roche Molecular Systems, according to CNN.

00:28:00.000 Within 24 hours of receiving the application, the first commercially distributed diagnostic test received an emergency use authorization during the COVID-19 outbreak, demonstrating once again that when you cut through bureaucratic red tape, it is usually a good idea.

00:28:12.000 And remember, just a couple of days ago, the New York Times was reporting that people were ready to do these tests in January in Seattle, and the CDC and FDA shut them down because of the bureaucratic idiocy of all of this.

00:28:22.000 Now, Dr. Anthony Fauci, again, being taken out of context, he pointed out that the testing regimen put out there has been failing because we just don't have enough test kits.

00:28:31.000 People shorthanded this to say that the government response is failing.

00:28:34.000 That is not what he said.

00:28:35.000 Listen to the full clip of Dr. Fauci.

00:28:38.000 The system does not, is not really geared to what we need right now, what you are asking for.

00:28:46.000 That is a failing.

00:28:48.000 A failing, yes.

00:28:49.000 It is a failing.

00:28:50.000 Let's admit it.

00:28:51.000 The fact is, the way the system was set up is that the public health component that Dr. Fauci...

00:28:57.000 that Dr. Redfield was talking about was a system where you put it out there in the public and a physician asks for it and you get it.

00:29:06.000 The idea of anybody getting it easily the way people in other countries are doing it, we're not set up for that.

00:29:13.000 Do I think we should be?

00:29:14.000 Yes, but we're not.

00:29:16.000 Okay, he didn't say the entire system is failing.

00:29:18.000 He said this is a-failing.

00:29:19.000 It is a-failing.

00:29:20.000 The media covered this as though Fauci said the entire system was failing, and the media spun this out of control to suggest that this, of course, is President Trump's fault.

00:29:27.000 And this is where the politics of this thing comes in.

00:29:29.000 We all know what we have to do.

00:29:32.000 Okay, this is no longer a giant mystery.

00:29:33.000 We know what we have to do.

00:29:34.000 We know we gotta wash our hands.

00:29:35.000 We know we gotta stay home as much as possible.

00:29:38.000 We know we gotta avoid populated areas.

00:29:40.000 We know that if we're gonna order from a restaurant, order delivery, or order out, we know what to do.

00:29:45.000 This is no longer a broad-based mystery.

00:29:48.000 This is no longer a question of what to do.

00:29:50.000 The only question is what measures Congress can take to shore up the economy in the short term, which presumably would include a payroll tax holiday.

00:29:56.000 It might include American Enterprise Institute's recommended cash payments to people who literally cannot make their bills, at least in the temporary and short term.

00:30:05.000 It would include maybe the government allowing paid sick leave, but the government The government allowing it and it being sunsetted so that it's not a permanent program.

00:30:13.000 Like Nancy Pelosi literally wanted to implement in these bills, she wanted a permanent paid sick leave that would include paid sick leave for like spousal abuse or something, right? 1.00

00:30:23.000 Which has nothing to do whatsoever with coronavirus.

00:30:25.000 Like at this point, Put the partisan bullcrap aside, guys.

00:30:28.000 Seriously. 0.59

00:30:28.000 We don't need the partisan bullcrap. 0.59

00:30:30.000 What we need is specifically directed responses to specific people who are going to be harmed by this.

00:30:35.000 And we need to make sure that our credit systems don't fail.

00:30:38.000 The federal government is standing in the breach when it comes to that sort of stuff.

00:30:42.000 And again, for all of those who are saying, well, aren't you a libertarian?

00:30:44.000 Yes, I'm a libertarian.

00:30:46.000 And libertarians understand externalities when the entire system is at risk.

00:30:49.000 In a time of war, there are no libertarians when it comes to Should there be an army or not?

00:30:54.000 Libertarians are not anti-military when you're under attack.

00:30:57.000 When a major virus is threatening externalities, I don't know a single libertarian who is suggesting that the government has no role to play in the presence of a pandemic.

00:31:06.000 We'll get to more of this in just one second, and we'll get to the inevitable politicization of a time when things really should not be politicized.

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00:32:28.000 Okay, we'll get to more of this and the inevitable politicization.

00:32:30.000 It was going to happen, and indeed it did, because people just cannot stop.

00:32:34.000 Never stop, never stopping is the rule in American politics.

00:32:36.000 And my God, folks, like, Cut it out.

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00:32:39.000 We'll get to that in one second.

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00:34:46.000 Okay, so we all basically know what we need to do here. 0.92

00:34:54.000 That's not stopping Congress from fighting over all of this, basically because Democrats insist on shoveling a bunch of crap into every crisis bill.

00:35:00.000 You remember they did this after Hurricane Maria? 0.86

00:35:03.000 You remember?

00:35:03.000 They've been doing this for every crisis.

00:35:05.000 Every crisis is an excuse for the government to spend endless amounts of money.

00:35:09.000 Well, I'm not in favor of spending useless amounts of money.

00:35:11.000 We should spend the money we need to spend.

00:35:13.000 Meaning right now, we have an unforeseen Black Swan event.

00:35:16.000 That means there are going to be a lot of people who are off from work.

00:35:19.000 That means there are going to be a lot of people we want to encourage people who are sick to stay home.

00:35:22.000 So the idea of a mandatory paid sick leave is not a bad one. 0.78

00:35:26.000 We don't want people spreading.

00:35:28.000 This is the pure externality situation.

00:35:30.000 You have a disease, you can't afford not to go to work, but if you stay home from work, you're not going to get paid.

00:35:34.000 The idea of the government stepping into the breach there is not a bad one.

00:35:37.000 We have to encourage people to stay home.

00:35:39.000 It makes sense to have a payroll tax holiday.

00:35:40.000 So that companies have more money to spend on their employees.

00:35:42.000 Like, listen, we have a lot of employees here.

00:35:44.000 You think that we want to not pay our employees?

00:35:46.000 Of course we want to pay our employees.

00:35:47.000 I don't know a single business owner who doesn't want to continue paying their employees.

00:35:50.000 I told you that my kid's school got shut down.

00:35:52.000 Well, we have a nanny, right? 0.90

00:35:54.000 Because my wife is indeed a doctor.

00:35:55.000 And that means that the nanny has a child too.

00:35:58.000 And her kid's school is shut down.

00:35:59.000 We already told her, like, spend whatever time you need at home.

00:36:01.000 We're going to continue paying you, right?

00:36:02.000 That is the ideal, is that everybody who's employing other people wants to continue employing other people.

00:36:07.000 Whatever facilitates that is going to be good, especially because when we come out the other end of this, whenever that is, in June, July, when we come out the other end of this, there will be a fairly solid recovery, and it should be fairly fast, because the fact is that this is not an underlying threat to the global economic system.

00:36:22.000 It's a threat to supply lines.

00:36:23.000 It's gonna require some replacement of factories, but it's not because the United States has serious underlying economic problems.

00:36:28.000 It's because when nobody is allowed to go out, it turns out that spending goes way down, investing goes way down.

00:36:32.000 Why would you invest in businesses?

00:36:34.000 Also, tip for people who are in the stock market, unless you have to liquidate like right now because you just don't have the cash flow, leave your money in the stock market.

00:36:42.000 Do not sell into a falling market.

00:36:45.000 You want to talk about wealth redistribution?

00:36:47.000 If you're a person who's middle-class, middle-upper class, and you don't have to access that 401k, but you think that the market's going to drop further, so you drop it right now, don't do it.

00:36:54.000 All you're doing is giving opportunities for younger people who have disposable income the opportunity to go out and buy all of that stock and then get rich on the other end.

00:37:01.000 Down markets are where rich people get really rich, is the reality of the situation. 0.98

00:37:04.000 Don't be a sucker. 0.98

00:37:05.000 In other words, leave your money in the market. 0.99

00:37:07.000 Do not pull your money out of the market.

00:37:08.000 Again, I'm not telling you which socks to buy, because I'm not qualified to do that.

00:37:11.000 I'm just telling you, why would you possibly sell a depreciating asset when you know it's going to appreciate again in fairly short order?

00:37:18.000 Meanwhile, again, Congress continues to argue over what to do about all of this.

00:37:22.000 The legislation that Pelosi is proposing includes enhanced unemployment benefits, which again, depending on, I mean, we're going to need cash transfers to people who don't have a job right now, free virus testing, aid for food assistance programs, and federal funds for Medicaid.

00:37:37.000 All this sounds fairly good on the surface.

00:37:39.000 The question, the devil's always in the details.

00:37:40.000 Apparently, Nancy Pelosi was attempting to put in funding that was not subject to the Hyde Amendment, so the funding could eventually be used for abortion. 1.00

00:37:46.000 She's also attempting to make all of these programs permanent, which is not the goal here. 0.96

00:37:49.000 It's an emergency funding measure.

00:37:50.000 It is not a measure that is designed for permanent places in American life.

00:37:57.000 This is not a situation in which we should all be thinking, never let a good crisis go to waste.

00:38:00.000 That's not what we should be thinking here.

00:38:02.000 The package includes 14 days of paid sick leave, as well as tax credits to help small and medium businesses fulfill that mandate.

00:38:09.000 Pelosi says she wants another package that will take further effective action that protects the health, economic security and well-being of the American people.

00:38:15.000 We will see exactly what this stuff means because Congress is always going to say that.

00:38:19.000 The question is how much of that is legit and how much of that is not really legit.

00:38:24.000 So once we see more details on the bill, then we can tell you.

00:38:27.000 Basically, where we stand on what the government is doing and whether it is a good idea for us to be spending this sort of cash.

00:38:35.000 Peter Suderman has a piece over at Reason.com talking about the sort of stimulus that all of these Congress people are calling for.

00:38:41.000 He's very critical.

00:38:42.000 He says, the proposal, as explained by the Trump administration, would eliminate the collection of individual employer payroll taxes, which fund Social Security and Medicare.

00:38:49.000 The idea is to stimulate the economy by giving workers bigger paychecks.

00:38:53.000 They suggest that this plan could result in a lot of lost revenue.

00:38:55.000 That's true.

00:38:57.000 But it's likely to fail on a lot of levels because not only would it push the already high federal budget deficit to unprecedented levels, it would also offer little help to those who need it most.

00:39:05.000 It wouldn't address the underlying crisis or anything like that.

00:39:08.000 Also, right now, we have a bit of a debt crunch because who wants to buy debt in a time when, again, the economy is sinking?

00:39:15.000 So...

00:39:16.000 We do have to be specific and careful about how we spend our money.

00:39:18.000 We can't just start blowing wads of cash and assume that the cash is going to be there on the other end.

00:39:22.000 Okay, meanwhile, speaking of politicization.

00:39:24.000 So Joe Biden gave a speech yesterday.

00:39:26.000 Now imagine for one second, just one single solitary second, that a Democrat were president.

00:39:30.000 And let's assume that the response were fairly similar.

00:39:32.000 Because the fact is, the response would be fairly similar.

00:39:34.000 Okay, Democrats don't have a magic wand to suddenly make testing kits available across the country any more than President Trump does.

00:39:41.000 Fauci would probably still be the head of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases.

00:39:47.000 The same people who are currently staffing would probably be staffing.

00:39:50.000 The same problems that exist would probably exist.

00:39:52.000 And all the critiques would be coming from the right.

00:39:54.000 Now imagine that it were a presidential race, and let's imagine it was Barack Obama and Mitt Romney again or something.

00:39:58.000 Or better, let's imagine that it were Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. 0.90

00:40:01.000 It was 2016 all over again and Barack Obama were president and Donald Trump went on the stump and then he gave a big speech about how the administration was completely botching the response to coronavirus in the middle of what is indeed a public panic, right?

00:40:16.000 In the middle of that, went out there and exacerbated all of the doubts that people had about authority, all the doubts that people had about the government, all the doubts that people had about the measures that are being taken place and the sufficiency thereof.

00:40:27.000 Do you think the media for a single solitary second would sit there and echo the complaints?

00:40:30.000 Or do you think they would say, what are you doing?

00:40:32.000 It's a time for us to come together.

00:40:33.000 It's a time for us to all bring each other together and recognize, I mean, the election isn't tomorrow.

00:40:39.000 The election is eight months from now.

00:40:42.000 It's a time for all of us to figure out what we can do best to bring the country together right now instead of sniping from the upper tier.

00:40:51.000 But Joe Biden did a speech yesterday widely praised by the media in which he basically echoed most of the things that Trump is already doing.

00:40:56.000 He just added a bunch of snark.

00:40:57.000 So he suggested go out and wash your hands.

00:40:59.000 Yeah, Trump has said that before.

00:41:00.000 He suggested social isolation.

00:41:01.000 Yeah, we've we've talked about this.

00:41:03.000 He suggested testing kits and availability of testing kits.

00:41:06.000 You think that Trump isn't working on that?

00:41:07.000 Of course he's working on that.

00:41:08.000 But the media were just over the moon about this.

00:41:11.000 And this is why I say partisan politics is a hell of a drug.

00:41:13.000 So here is Joe Biden yesterday and again.

00:41:16.000 Basically, his entire speech was making snide remarks about Trump's insufficiency in this crisis.

00:41:21.000 People are going to make their decision based on the actions of the Trump administration.

00:41:24.000 Believe me, Trump's getting hit for having downplayed this thing in the early days.

00:41:28.000 The Trump administration has taken it on the chin from people who think that the administration basically wasted a month in not ramping up development and testing.

00:41:36.000 But with that said, is it a good look for the opposite political party in a time of what?

00:41:40.000 I mean, listen, this is the most shocking public crisis that I have seen in my entire life.

00:41:48.000 Okay?

00:41:48.000 And I was alive for 9-11.

00:41:49.000 I was a near adult.

00:41:50.000 I was in 2001.

00:41:52.000 I was 17 years old.

00:41:54.000 So I remember 9-11 fairly well.

00:41:55.000 The public response to this dwarfs 9-11.

00:41:58.000 Dwarfs it.

00:41:59.000 Okay?

00:42:00.000 My parents have never seen anything like this.

00:42:02.000 My parents are 65.

00:42:04.000 So, like, this is a major moment when the country really needs to come together and we all need to rely on each other and we need to say, listen, there have been failures in the past, but we need to give the government time to do what it needs to do.

00:42:16.000 We all know what needs to be done.

00:42:19.000 The recriminations can happen later.

00:42:20.000 Believe me, they will.

00:42:21.000 If you think that Joe Biden isn't going to cut a bevy of ads in September of Donald Trump talking about how 15 people are sick and it's going to go down to zero, or Donald Trump talking about how this thing is going to be fine and the market's going to be fine.

00:42:33.000 If you think Biden isn't going to cut those ads, you're wrong.

00:42:35.000 He is going to cut those ads. 0.94

00:42:36.000 But now is not the time for that bullcrap.

00:42:38.000 Right now is the time when you say, OK, we need whatever you think of President Trump, whatever you think of the administration.

00:42:43.000 Now's the time when we all have to be together.

00:42:44.000 We're all working together to get this right.

00:42:46.000 That's not what Joe Biden did yesterday.

00:42:47.000 Instead, Biden decided that it was a perfect time to snipe.

00:42:50.000 So here is Biden yesterday to the cheers of the media.

00:42:52.000 Being overly dismissive or spreading misinformation is only going to hurt us and further advantage the spread of the disease.

00:43:01.000 But neither should we panic or fall back on xenophobia.

00:43:05.000 Labeling COVID-19 a foreign virus does not displace accountability for the misjudgments that have been taken thus far by the Trump administration.

00:43:16.000 OK, it is not xenophobia to point out this is a foreign virus.

00:43:19.000 That is not xenophobia.

00:43:20.000 It is a foreign virus.

00:43:21.000 And again, playing defense for the Chinese government is a hell of a thing.

00:43:24.000 I mean, really, the Chinese government is responsible for the spread. 0.79

00:43:27.000 You don't want to call it the Chinese virus, call it the communist virus. 0.82

00:43:30.000 Fine, do it that way.

00:43:31.000 Because the fact is that they were literally threatening to imprison people who talked openly about Wuhan virus back in December and January.

00:43:39.000 And so all of the late breaking, well, you know, now it's European. 0.85

00:43:41.000 Yeah, now it's European. 0.83

00:43:43.000 So what?

00:43:44.000 Ebola didn't just stay in Africa, but it was still called Ebola.

00:43:48.000 The idea that this is all about Trump's xenophobia, like really, is this what we need right now?

00:43:51.000 This is the public debate we need right now?

00:43:53.000 Not the encouragement of everybody to take the proper measures, not the encouragement to help out the private companies that you know need help, and help out private people, not any of that.

00:44:03.000 Really, we're gonna go on the xenophobia bender right now?

00:44:06.000 We're gonna go on the social justice warrior bender in the middle of a pandemic?

00:44:10.000 Okay, and it didn't stop there.

00:44:11.000 Joe Biden, again, he was just using this as an opportunity to bash Trump.

00:44:15.000 Again, based on nothing.

00:44:16.000 Okay, Dr. Anthony Fauci knows a lot more about epidemiology than Joe Biden.

00:44:20.000 He knows a lot more than I do, which is why I take his word over Trump's.

00:44:23.000 I take his word over Biden's.

00:44:23.000 I take his word over mine.

00:44:24.000 He says that the European travel ban is a good idea. 1.00

00:44:27.000 Here's Joe Biden saying it's a bad idea.

00:44:28.000 And it will not stop.

00:44:30.000 Banting all travel from Europe or any other part of the world may slow it, but as we've seen, it will not stop it.

00:44:39.000 And travel restrictions based on favoritism in politics rather than risk will be counterproductive.

00:44:45.000 Okay, Biden continued along these lines, and again, it was just him ripping into Trump.

00:44:51.000 I have a question.

00:44:52.000 How does that help?

00:44:53.000 Is he the head of a shadow government I don't know about?

00:44:55.000 Does he have any capacity to actually do anything?

00:44:57.000 The answer, of course, is no.

00:45:00.000 As the head of the Democratic Party, right?

00:45:02.000 And he is.

00:45:02.000 He's now the titular head of the Democratic Party.

00:45:04.000 He's a Democratic nominee, de facto.

00:45:06.000 Joe Biden should be saying, listen, there'll be plenty of time for me to analyze President Trump's response to this later.

00:45:11.000 Right now is the time for us to come together.

00:45:13.000 Here's the stuff that we should be doing.

00:45:14.000 Like, that would be a graceful move.

00:45:16.000 And Biden is supposed to be the graceful candidate, right?

00:45:18.000 It's Trump who's violated all norms of politics and etiquette.

00:45:22.000 It's not Biden who's done that, supposedly.

00:45:24.000 But here's Biden violating every rule of politics.

00:45:26.000 I mean, this is when you don't have to have a rally around the Trump effect.

00:45:29.000 You don't.

00:45:29.000 Because whatever you think of Trump, you already think of Trump.

00:45:31.000 But you have to have at least a let's come together effect.

00:45:34.000 You didn't get that from Joe Biden last night when he was busy yelling at the president.

00:45:38.000 Here he was talking about how the president's incapacity for dealing with this is the reason he should be president.

00:45:44.000 Joe, I have news for you.

00:45:45.000 The vote ain't until November.

00:45:46.000 It's not until November.

00:45:47.000 We're gonna be a lot of people who die between now and November.

00:45:50.000 If this is your chief message right now, you're doing... Really, this is... I think there's a moral problem with this.

00:45:55.000 A real moral problem with this.

00:45:57.000 Because you're doing nothing that actually leads the Trump administration to better activity here.

00:46:03.000 Protecting the health and safety of the American people is the most important job of any president.

00:46:08.000 And unfortunately, this virus laid bare the severe shortcomings of the current administration.

00:46:16.000 Public fears are being compounded by a pervasive lack of trust in this president, fueled by adversarial relationships with the truth that he continues to have.

00:46:27.000 Our government's ability to respond effectively has been undermined by hollowing out our agencies and disparagement of science.

00:46:36.000 And our ability to drive a global response is dramatically, dramatically undercut by the damage Trump has done to our credibility and our relationships around the world.

00:46:48.000 We have to get to work immediately to dig ourselves out of this hole.

00:46:52.000 And that's why today I'm releasing a plan to combat and overcome the coronavirus.

00:46:58.000 Okay, yeah, but you're not president.

00:46:59.000 You're not.

00:47:00.000 Why aren't you encouraging Nancy Pelosi to pass legislation?

00:47:03.000 Why aren't you working with the other Democrats to get something together?

00:47:06.000 Honestly, the fact the media we're cheering this on demonstrates the Trump derangement syndrome that has set in.

00:47:11.000 There's plenty of fair criticism of Trump.

00:47:12.000 I've made a lot of it on this program.

00:47:14.000 Okay, but it is not a correct thing in the middle of a pandemic to spend your time making giant speeches about how everything Trump is doing is wrong and he's bad for the job and all this.

00:47:22.000 I promise you there will be plenty of time for this campaign.

00:47:24.000 There'll be plenty of time for this campaign.

00:47:26.000 And making hay in the middle of an actual public crisis?

00:47:29.000 is a bad look.

00:47:30.000 It's a very bad look.

00:47:32.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate, and then I want to do a little bit of Bible talk.

00:47:36.000 So, a couple of things that I hate.

00:47:41.000 So if you remember, I mean, this is pretty incredible.

00:47:44.000 Andrew Gillum was nearly governor of Florida.

00:47:46.000 Remember this?

00:47:46.000 Andrew Gillum ran as a Democrat in Florida.

00:47:48.000 He lost to Ron DeSantis very, very narrowly.

00:47:51.000 Apparently, former Florida gubernatorial candidate Andrew Gillum was allegedly involved in an incident involving crystal meth at a Miami Beach hotel early this morning, according to an incident report obtained by the Miami New Times.

00:48:05.000 The report itself is super disturbing.

00:48:08.000 Apparently, an orgy is suspected but unconfirmed?

00:48:12.000 This guy was like this far from being governor of Florida, and he was the new up-and-coming Democratic star. 1.00

00:48:17.000 Just a reminder, politicians are people too, and most of them suck. 1.00

00:48:20.000 Because most people kind of suck. 0.99

00:48:22.000 According to the Miami Beach Police report, clear plastic baggies containing suspected crystal meth were found in both the bed and floor of a hotel room. 0.99

00:48:28.000 The three small baggies of suspected narcotics were impounded at the Miami Beach Police Station property and evidence unit for destruction.

00:48:35.000 There are photos of all of this.

00:48:38.000 Furthermore, here's the crime report.

00:48:41.000 Apparently, two officers responded in emergency mode to a cardiac arrest.

00:48:45.000 Upon arrival, Miami Beach Fire Rescue was on scene providing treatment to one patient named Travis Dyson.

00:48:50.000 Miami Beach Fire Rescue advised officers that Dyson was being treated for a possible drug overdose.

00:48:55.000 He was in stable condition, but he was being transported to a local hospital.

00:48:58.000 Officers then made contact with two other males who were inside.

00:49:01.000 One was the complainant, his name is Aldo Mejias, and Andrew Gillum, who was an involved other.

00:49:08.000 According to Mejias, he provided his credit card information to Travis Dyson to rent a hotel room for the night.

00:49:12.000 Mejias was to meet Mr. Dyson later on in the day.

00:49:14.000 Dyson rented the room at approximately 4 o'clock.

00:49:17.000 Mejias arrived at the hotel at approximately 11 o'clock at night, where he discovered Travis Dyson and Andrew Gillum inside the room under the influence of an unknown substance.

00:49:24.000 Per Mr. Mejias, Mr. Dyson opened the hotel room door and immediately walked over to the bed and collapsed in a prone position.

00:49:30.000 observed Mr. Gillum inside the bathroom vomiting.

00:49:30.000 Wow, wow, wow, wow.

00:49:32.000 Mejia stated that he observed Dyson having difficulty breathing, prompting him to wake him up.

00:49:36.000 Dyson then began vomiting on the bed and immediately collapsed again. 0.99

00:49:39.000 Officers attempted to speak with Gillum.

00:49:41.000 Gillum was unable to communicate with officers to his inebriated state.

00:49:45.000 That guy was this far from being governor of Florida.

00:49:47.000 This far from being governor.

00:49:49.000 And he was the new face and wave of the Democratic Party.

00:49:52.000 Wow, wow, wow, wow.

00:49:55.000 That is just well done, everybody.

00:49:59.000 Okay, other things that I hate today.

00:49:59.000 Seriously, well done.

00:50:02.000 So I've said before that the late night industry, the late night comedy industry is neither comedy nor apolitical.

00:50:11.000 Proof positive of this, Pete Buttigieg hosted Jimmy Kimmel's show last night on ABC.

00:50:16.000 He did like an opening monologue and then hosted on ABC to no audience because there was no live audience because of coronavirus.

00:50:22.000 So basically his campaign.

00:50:24.000 And basically his campaign where he spoke To the plaudits of people who are college educated on the coast and no one cared, nobody listened.

00:50:33.000 He wasn't very funny because this isn't his job.

00:50:36.000 Wow, look at that audience.

00:50:37.000 A stunning audience.

00:50:39.000 Look at the social distancing.

00:50:40.000 They got like 10 people in the room and Pete Buttigieg, I mean, thankfully he didn't kill it.

00:50:46.000 Like literally, wow, the awkwardness, the insane awkwardness of this Of this monologue.

00:50:52.000 Do we have any audio?

00:50:54.000 Okay, so Buttigieg.

00:50:56.000 He was not great last night.

00:50:59.000 The reviews were not particularly sterling.

00:51:02.000 But can you imagine if they just let Ted Cruz host Jimmy Kimmel live?

00:51:06.000 Of course not.

00:51:07.000 Of course not.

00:51:08.000 So apparently, this was true across the evening, by the way, that the audiences were not there.

00:51:14.000 Buttigieg, because nobody's ever told.

00:51:17.000 Like, what's amazing about the Democrats is they've never told a self-effacing joke.

00:51:20.000 So, Buttigieg joked, when you don't have a real audience, you have to fake one, just like Trump's inauguration.

00:51:27.000 See, if Buttigieg actually made the joke, here I am, you know, on a popular late-night show, you know, speaking to people who are of my own ilk, with no audience, that actually would have gotten a laugh, because self-effacing humor is actually kind of funny.

00:51:41.000 But the fact that Pete Buttigieg was even doing this in the first place is really kind of amazing.

00:51:46.000 It's amazing that this guy was hosting late night and demonstrative of where the entire industry is.

00:51:53.000 Okay, you know what?

00:51:54.000 It's time for a little bit of Bible. 0.91

00:51:55.000 So, the end of the week, it feels like biblical end times, but let's talk a little bit of Bible.

00:52:00.000 So, this week, if I were going to synagogue, because synagogue is closed, then we would be reading the Bible portion of of kitisa which is the the bible portion in which there is in which it talks about the the golden calf and the the golden calf incident is really puzzling obviously because you have a people who have just been brought out with signs and wonders that miraculously brought out of the land of egypt the sea is split for them they walk across god talks directly to them brings them the 10 commandments

00:52:30.000 and then they're immediately like you know what we're going to do We're gonna make this fake cow. 0.99

00:52:33.000 Let's do that.

00:52:34.000 Let's make a fake cow out of gold. 1.00

00:52:36.000 And it is indicative of the attention span of human beings.

00:52:40.000 It is also indicative, a lot of commentators suggest, of the fact that if you are going to have a true, long-lasting belief in God, it can't be based on signs and miracles, because people tend to rationalize that stuff away.

00:52:49.000 It has to be based on true faith and a real rational perspective on exactly on exactly how the world works.

00:52:57.000 But there's something else here.

00:52:58.000 So the real question is, why Aaron, who's Moses' brother, took part in all of this?

00:53:03.000 Aaron is one of the great figures in Jewish history, in biblical history.

00:53:07.000 Aharon HaCohen, Aaron the Cohen, he is the secondary figure in the entire Pentateuch, right? 0.58

00:53:14.000 I mean, it's Moses, and then Aaron is the one who's actually his spokesperson, going out and talking to the people, much more popular with the people.

00:53:20.000 Aaron is a more naturally gifted leader than Moses.

00:53:22.000 Aaron is a more powerful speaker, right?

00:53:24.000 Moses himself acknowledges this when he's at the burning bush and God says, you should go speak to the Jews.

00:53:28.000 And Moses is like, I'm not sufficient for this.

00:53:31.000 And then God says, okay, well, you can use Aaron, right?

00:53:33.000 That is Moses acknowledging that Aaron is actually a better leader for the people in terms of the people and speaking directly to the people.

00:53:40.000 But this is Aaron's downfall, is Aaron refuses to tell the people the truth.

00:53:44.000 Aaron is more interested in public approval at this point than he is in telling the people the truth.

00:53:48.000 And this is obvious from the text of the Bible.

00:53:52.000 This is in the book of Exodus.

00:53:52.000 Here's what the Bible says.

00:54:12.000 He took them from their hands, he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made it into a molten calf, upon which they said, These are your gods, O Israel, who have brought you up from the land of Egypt.

00:54:20.000 Now, the reason they did a calf is because calves were worshipped in the land of Egypt, and so they were actually replicating what they had once known as slaves.

00:54:26.000 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of it, and Aaron proclaimed and said, Tomorrow shall be a festival to the Lord.

00:54:31.000 So this isn't Aaron trying to twist pagan idolatry into service to God.

00:54:36.000 He's trying to take the people and channel them towards something better by acceding to their requests.

00:54:41.000 So how can Aaron's behavior be excused?

00:54:43.000 So there are three basic answers that are offered by the different biblical commentators in Judaism.

00:54:46.000 First, they argue that Aaron was just trying to stall.

00:54:49.000 That basically he assumed this is going to take a while to make this golden calf.

00:54:51.000 In the meantime, Moses is going to come down from the mountain.

00:54:53.000 We'll stop this whole thing.

00:54:55.000 Then there's the second theory, fear.

00:54:56.000 According to the Midrash, which is sort of commentary on the Bible that fills out the narrative a little bit.

00:55:01.000 Midrash says that the Jews actually went to Aaron's nephew, a guy named Hur, before they went to Aaron, and then when Hur refused to participate in their idolatry, they murdered him. 0.55

00:55:08.000 Aaron thought they'd murder him too, at which point they couldn't be forgiven their sins, so he thought that it was better to participate with them in the sin of idolatry than to involve himself in a chain of circumstances that would lead them to kill a high priest.

00:55:19.000 Then there's a third theory, that Aaron was attempting to take the sin on himself to avoid the sin of the people, but of course that doesn't work because then there's a massive plague that breaks out immediately after this.

00:55:28.000 All three of the theories have one thing in common.

00:55:30.000 Aaron cares about the fate of the people above all else.

00:55:33.000 The people are the institution he seeks to preserve, not their honor, not their decency, not even really their holiness, their purpose for existing.

00:55:39.000 This is Aaron's grave sin.

00:55:40.000 This is very different from Moses, right?

00:55:42.000 Here's how Moses responds to God, because God sees this, right, in the Bible, and God says to Moses, I'm going to destroy these people.

00:55:48.000 I mean, look at these people. 1.00

00:55:49.000 These jerks. 1.00

00:55:50.000 Look what all I do for them. 1.00

00:55:51.000 I'm up here giving you the law.

00:55:52.000 You're going to go down and bring them the most holy thing they've ever seen.

00:55:55.000 These Ten Commandments on these tablets.

00:55:57.000 And they're down there making a golden calf.

00:55:59.000 Like, what is this nonsense?

00:56:01.000 And here's how Moses responds.

00:56:03.000 Moses pleads before God.

00:56:04.000 This is according to the Bible.

00:56:05.000 He says, Why, O Lord, should your anger be kindled against your people, whom you have brought up from the land of Egypt with great power and with a strong hand?

00:56:11.000 Why should the Egyptians say, He brought them out with evil intent to kill them in the mountains and to annihilate them from upon the face of the earth?

00:56:17.000 Retreat from the heat of your anger.

00:56:18.000 Reconsider the evil intended for your people.

00:56:20.000 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, your servants, to whom you swore by your very self and to whom you said, I will multiply your seed like the stars of heaven and all this land, which I said that I would give to your seed that shall keep it as their possession forever.

00:56:32.000 What Moses is saying is that God's honor is at stake.

00:56:39.000 Moses' chief concern here is that the Jewish people cannot exist without their God.

00:56:44.000 And when God threatens to remove his presence from Israel and use an angel instead to take the people to Israel, Moses demurs.

00:56:51.000 Aaron is concerned with preserving life.

00:56:52.000 Moses knows that the people have to come around to the right answer.

00:56:56.000 So Moses never would have acceded to the people's request.

00:56:58.000 Moses would have said, stick it.

00:57:00.000 Moses would have told the people the truth.

00:57:01.000 You can't substitute a fake God for a real God.

00:57:05.000 And that God is not going to live with your sin, nor is he going to excuse your sin.

00:57:09.000 This has some relevance to today's discussion.

00:57:11.000 And the fact is, here's what we deserve from our leaders.

00:57:13.000 We deserve the truth.

00:57:14.000 It may be unpopular.

00:57:15.000 It may get our leaders in trouble.

00:57:17.000 Our leaders may not win re-election if they tell us the truth.

00:57:20.000 We deserve the truth.

00:57:21.000 And it's not about us deserving the truth.

00:57:24.000 It's about the truth being the purpose of politics and human communication.

00:57:26.000 It's about the truth being the only thing that is going to allow us to retain our morality and our decency in a grave and serious time.

00:57:34.000 We don't need leaders who are simply going to tell people what they want to hear.

00:57:37.000 We don't need leaders who are playing politics.

00:57:39.000 We don't need leaders who are acting on the will of the people.

00:57:42.000 That's not what we need.

00:57:43.000 We need people who are going to speak ultimate truth to people.

00:57:45.000 That's the story of the golden calf.

00:57:47.000 Aaron should have said to the people, listen, you do this and you are violating every reason you're brought out of Egypt.

00:57:51.000 You do this and you sacrifice your souls.

00:57:53.000 You do this and you betray the reason that God chose you in the first place.

00:57:57.000 Whether Moses comes down from that mountain or not, you are not allowed to violate the chief precepts of your reason for being.

00:58:05.000 Okay, telling the people the truth is not... Put aside what the people deserve.

00:58:10.000 The people deserve whatever the people get, but put that aside.

00:58:13.000 What actually people need, what they need, is truth.

00:58:17.000 So at this time, above all else, I urge everybody to engage in the pursuit of truth and the speaking of truth.

00:58:22.000 And that means speaking to people about what they need to do at this time.

00:58:26.000 It means not hiding the numbers.

00:58:27.000 It means if it's scary, it's scary.

00:58:29.000 But we can all get through this together so long as we base what we do on the truth.

00:58:32.000 Okay.

00:58:33.000 A little bit later on today, we'll have two additional hours of content.

00:58:35.000 Otherwise, stay safe this weekend.

00:58:37.000 Have a great weekend with your family.

00:58:39.000 You know, really spend some time.

00:58:42.000 It can be fun, right?

00:58:42.000 You can be home with your family.

00:58:43.000 I'm looking forward to it.

00:58:44.000 So, hopefully, we will see you all here on Monday and we'll recap everything that's going on.

00:58:50.000 We'll hang out some more.

00:58:51.000 Otherwise, have a great weekend.

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00:59:24.000 You know, the Matt Wall Show, it's not just another show about politics.

00:59:27.000 I think there are enough of those already out there.

00:59:29.000 We talk about culture, because culture drives politics, and it drives everything else.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - March 13, 2020

A Grinding Halt | Ep. 971

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