The Ben Shapiro Show - Abolish The Police?! | Ep. 1235

00:00:00.000 Democrats pursue new police standards while promoting myths about how policing actually works.

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00:01:38.000 Alrighty, so, we are now in the midst of this grand American rethinking about the nature of policing in the United States.

00:01:44.000 Here's the reality about policing.

00:01:45.000 It's a tough, dirty job, and not very many people want to do it.

00:01:47.000 And if you make it tougher, and more dirty, and more difficult to get done, very, very few people want to do it.

00:01:52.000 And that is precisely why you have seen the murder rate rise 30% in the course of one year.

00:01:57.000 We are now re-entering 1960s, early 1970s crime territory.

00:02:02.000 That is not where you want to be as a country.

00:02:04.000 And the reason for that is we have decided that we are now the experts on how policing should work, even though very few of us have ever had to do any policing.

00:02:12.000 Not only that, We believe things that we watch on TV about how policing works.

00:02:16.000 So the same exact people who will say things like, why don't you shoot to wound?

00:02:19.000 By the way, you know who said that? 0.84

00:02:20.000 The president of the United States, Joe Biden.

00:02:22.000 Back during the debates, he was like, why couldn't they just have shot to wound in the case of Jacob Blake?

00:02:26.000 It's like, because you don't know anything about how any of this works.

00:02:29.000 Why is it that they can't just shoot him from 100 yards away with a taser?

00:02:34.000 All of this stuff is rooted in a basic misunderstanding of how policing works in the United States.

00:02:40.000 And that misunderstanding, combined with the idea that America's police are systemically racist, another notion that is simply false on its face, the idea that America's police are disproportionately and specifically targeting black people for victimization, those two ideas combined lead to an awful lot of bad policy.

00:02:56.000 The latest bad policy comes courtesy of the state of Maryland.

00:03:00.000 So what exactly does all of that mean?

00:03:01.000 the state legislature passed these sweeping police reforms.

00:03:04.000 According to the New York Times, Maryland lawmakers voted on Saturday to limit police officers use of force, restrict the use of no-knock warrants, and repeal the nation's first bill of rights for law enforcement.

00:03:15.000 So what exactly does all of that mean?

00:03:17.000 Well, it means you ain't going to sign up any more police officers in Maryland is really what it means.

00:03:20.000 One section creates a new statewide use of force policy and says that officers who violate those standards, causing serious injury or death, can be convicted and sent to prison for up to 10 years.

00:03:30.000 The standard says that force can be used only to prevent an imminent threat of physical injury to a person or to effectuate a legitimate law enforcement objective.

00:03:38.000 Well, that is an awful lot of wiggle room for prosecutors to go after cops, which is why the cops are opposing this sort of stuff.

00:03:45.000 You can imagine an awful lot of situations in which the police have to do something to effectuate an arrest based on, for example, a violated warrant, and then the person dies, and then the cop is brought up on charges for really having not done anything wrong, just being caught on tape in a way that we don't particularly like.

00:04:03.000 And we know this is happening across the United States anyway.

00:04:05.000 The language there is extremely broad and extremely vague.

00:04:09.000 The policy also says that force must be, quote, necessary and proportional.

00:04:13.000 Well, necessary and proportional is a pretty tough standard because now you have a bunch of civilians deciding what exactly is necessary and proportional.

00:04:20.000 Police reform groups said this is a much tougher standard than the traditional reasonableness standard.

00:04:24.000 Which they said was not sufficient for holding officers accountable for blatant acts of violence.

00:04:28.000 But reasonableness is rooted in the idea that police officers have to actually assess the situation on the ground and then make a determination.

00:04:34.000 Necessary and proportional means that unless something is quote-unquote strictly necessary, you cannot do it.

00:04:39.000 Well, who's to determine what is strictly necessary?

00:04:43.000 In a second, I'm going to explain why all of these laws really are quite bad for policing and why they're gonna be horrible for public safety.

00:04:50.000 Also, law enforcement agencies statewide must establish a system to identify police officers who are considered likely to use excessive force and to restrain, counsel, or if needed, reassign them.

00:04:58.000 Now that part is fine.

00:05:00.000 My guess is that Larry Hogan would assign that bill into law.

00:05:03.000 But the legislature also repealed Maryland's Law Enforcement Officer Bill of Rights.

00:05:07.000 That was the nation's first such law when it was enacted in the 1970s.

00:05:10.000 It gave every officer statewide the right to appeal discipline to a local board regardless of a city's wishes.

00:05:15.000 Instead, lawmakers replaced those protections by requiring every county to have a police accountability board to receive complaints of misconduct from the public.

00:05:22.000 The problem with a lot of these police accountability boards is that they are heavily politicized.

00:05:25.000 If you can get enough people in positions of power on the police accountability board who don't like the police, You'll just have a group of people cramming down on the police completely unworkable rules.

00:05:35.000 Civilians will have a role on administrative charging committees that will review the findings of law enforcement agencies and recommend discipline for officers.

00:05:42.000 Police chiefs will not be able to issue disciplinary actions more lenient than the levels recommended by those panels.

00:05:48.000 Also, lawmakers limited the use of no-knock warrants Officers have said, because of the Breonna Taylor case, in that case that they actually did announce their presence, some witnesses disagreed, but no-knock warrants are sometimes necessary if you think that the person who's inside the residence is going to fire a gun at you if you knock on the door.

00:06:07.000 So these sorts of bills, I mean, there's a reason why Larry Hogan, who is not a hardcore conservative, vetoed this bill.

00:06:13.000 And then it was passed in spite of all of that.

00:06:15.000 And the reason is because the level of civilian understanding of how policing works is abysmal, truly awful.

00:06:22.000 Just to take a perfect example, over the past several nights, we've had these riots in Brooklyn Center, and they are full-scale riots.

00:06:28.000 You have people attacking police officers.

00:06:30.000 You've had the National Guard having to fire tear gas at people.

00:06:32.000 You've seen people attempting to break in and loot stores.

00:06:36.000 It looks like a war zone in parts of Brooklyn Center.

00:06:36.000 It's really, really ugly.

00:06:39.000 Well, yesterday, the Brooklyn Center mayor said, I don't believe officers need to have weapons when they make arrests.

00:06:45.000 I'm gonna need, he's gonna need to show his work on paper here for me to understand what in the hell he's talking about here.

00:06:51.000 I don't believe that officers need to necessarily have weapons every time they're making a traffic stop or engaged in situations that don't necessarily call for weapons.

00:07:13.000 We know that there are many other jurisdictions, even around the world, where that is not See, one of the things that is very odd about sort of the leftist worldview with regard to policing is the left wants a lot of very stringent regulations on how you live your life.

00:07:30.000 And they want lots of regulations on how cigarettes are sold, for example.

00:07:34.000 Or they want heavy regulations on how exactly you're able to operate your vehicle.

00:07:38.000 They want heavy regulations on virtually every area of life, but they refuse to acknowledge the reality of regulations, which is that all regulations, in the end, are enforced at the point of a government gun.

00:07:46.000 This is true with regard to your taxes.

00:07:48.000 It is true with regard to environmental protections.

00:07:50.000 In the end, if you resist arrest, if you refuse to obey the law, there will be a government gun at the end of it.

00:07:55.000 They don't like the gun.

00:07:56.000 So at the same time they want to promote heavy regulations, at the same time they want to ensure that the government has more power, they shy away from the idea that that power actually Exists.

00:08:05.000 So, you have this bizarre situation where the mayor of Brooklyn Center is now saying that if you pull somebody over for drunk driving, for example, that the police officer shouldn't have a weapon.

00:08:13.000 Okay, well what happens when the guy pops back in his car and takes off?

00:08:16.000 You're supposed to stand there with nothing in your hands?

00:08:19.000 How exactly is that supposed to work?

00:08:21.000 And the answer is, they don't think about how this stuff works because they don't care how this stuff works.

00:08:24.000 All of it is posturing.

00:08:25.000 It is all rooted in a basic misconception, which is that policing is nice and happy and that everything works out well.

00:08:32.000 Police officers have millions of interactions with people every single year.

00:08:35.000 Millions.

00:08:36.000 Something like four million interactions between the police and civilians every single year.

00:08:40.000 And those interactions are generally not wonderful because nobody's having a good day when they interact with a cop.

00:08:46.000 Police officers know this.

00:08:48.000 But, again, when you have civilians who don't understand how any of this works, making the rules and doing so on the basis of bad data, that is a bad thing.

00:08:56.000 Now, you should have civilian... I'm not arguing that the police should basically just, quote-unquote, control themselves, that the police should be the only authority in how they use their force.

00:09:05.000 That, of course, would be fascistic.

00:09:07.000 You can't have armed wings of the American government being the only court of appeal.

00:09:12.000 However, the sort of loosening of regulations that you are seeing by Democrats in terms of how you prosecute officers, the attempt to prevent officers from doing their jobs, any sort of expert level understanding on this sort of stuff is really a problem.

00:09:24.000 And it's going to lead to more death.

00:09:26.000 There's a recent study that came out and it showed that in America's major cities, the ones that were that were riven by protests from 2014 to 2019, ever since the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, That the number of police-avoidable deaths, according to this study, was something like 300.

00:09:43.000 And the number of total deaths that were actually created, in other words, there were 300 fewer deaths because of interactions between cops and civilians, or cops and suspects.

00:09:53.000 But the number of total deaths in those cities that were avoidable rose by something like 6,000.

00:09:58.000 Because it turns out when you take cops off the streets, when you tell cops not to do their job, they won't do their job.

00:10:02.000 And when they don't do their job, bad things happen.

00:10:05.000 Some people on the left are at least honest enough to go all the way here.

00:10:08.000 So, obviously you had Rashida Tlaib suggesting it's time to abolish policing in the United States overall, Jason Johnson on MSNBC saying the exact same thing.

00:10:15.000 Honestly, if this is how Democrats want to play it, go for it.

00:10:19.000 We'll see if Americans really feel like they are so safe from their fellow American that the police can just be disbanded.

00:10:25.000 I've been saying we need to abolish American policing as it currently exists.

00:10:29.000 It doesn't work.

00:10:30.000 You know the average homicides that are actually solved by police departments?

00:10:33.000 Only about 35%.

00:10:34.000 You know the number of rapes and sexual assaults that are solved by police departments?

00:10:38.000 You know, less than 60%.

00:10:41.000 You know the percentage likelihood of being shot unarmed as a black person is like five times as likely than a white person?

00:10:47.000 Policing doesn't work the way we're doing it right now.

00:10:51.000 I have a question.

00:10:51.000 What does he think the level of homicide solving, finding the actual perp in a homicide, what does he think that level would be if there were no police?

00:11:00.000 Would it be 35% or would it be zero?

00:11:01.000 Is the great obstacle to solving homicides the police being bad at their jobs or is it that a lot of people won't testify and give actual witness evidence with regard to homicides?

00:11:12.000 Getting rid of the police doesn't solve the problem of homicide, it creates more homicides.

00:11:16.000 If somebody is raped, who do you go to in this particular case?

00:11:21.000 And the notion that black people are being shot by the police at five times the rate of white people is just not true. 0.82

00:11:27.000 Okay, statistically speaking, that is not... I'm unaware of any stats that demonstrate that black people on a per capita level are being shot at five times the rate of white people.

00:11:36.000 That is a bizarre, again, evidence-free statement so far as I'm aware.

00:11:40.000 If somebody can disabuse me of that, I am happy to take a look at those stats.

00:11:44.000 In actuality, something like 500 white Americans were shot by the cops between January of 2020 and March of 2021.

00:11:52.000 And the number of unarmed black men, according to the Washington Post, who are shot every year by the police, generally less than 30.

00:12:00.000 But this is all rooted in basic misunderstandings of how policing works.

00:12:06.000 And also rooted in a certain animus for the police, which results in just lies.

00:12:12.000 To take an example, Remember that whole Jacob Blake case?

00:12:15.000 Remember that case where a man arrived at the site of his ex-girlfriend's house and who had accused him of penetrative rape with his finger earlier on in the year, I believe.

00:12:28.000 And she called the police saying, this guy is back at the house.

00:12:31.000 And the police arrive.

00:12:32.000 He resists arrest.

00:12:33.000 He has a knife.

00:12:34.000 He reaches into the car. 0.97

00:12:36.000 They shoot him.

00:12:37.000 Remember that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris called that guy?

00:12:39.000 and talked about what a rough life he had, and how difficult it was for him, and how terrible the police were?

00:12:44.000 Well, now it turns out that the police officer who shot Jacob Blake last summer is back on duty.

00:12:49.000 Because the Kenosha police investigation found no wrongdoing.

00:12:51.000 You know why?

00:12:52.000 Because there was no wrongdoing.

00:12:53.000 You know who said there was no wrongdoing?

00:12:54.000 People who knew anything about policing.

00:12:56.000 You know who said there was wrongdoing?

00:12:57.000 Every single Democrat.

00:12:58.000 Everyone.

00:12:59.000 I'm unaware of a Democrat who said that those police officers were entitled to due process and that even the tape was not dispositive with regard to whether the police officers had done something wrong.

00:13:07.000 Didn't matter.

00:13:08.000 Resulted in riots in Kenosha.

00:13:10.000 It happened in the middle of last year, not that long ago.

00:13:10.000 Remember this.

00:13:13.000 You see the same sort of myth-making happening now with regard to the Daunte Wright case.

00:13:19.000 This was fairly obviously an accident by the police officer, who will indeed end up being charged for manslaughter.

00:13:26.000 A police officer drew a gun instead of a taser, which is an inexcusable mistake, and then shot Daunte Wright.

00:13:32.000 Now, there are additional facts about Daunte Wright that we are learning about that cast some serious doubt on the idea that he is some sort of wonderful person, but that is not really indicative as to the crime committed by the officer in question.

00:13:46.000 It does really blow up the narrative that whenever you have one of these situations, whether it's George Floyd or whether it's Daunte Wright or whether it's Jacob Blake, the initial reaction of the media is always, This person is a wonderful, tremendous human, and all of the police are evil and terrible.

00:14:03.000 Two things can be true at once.

00:14:05.000 One, the person could be a criminal, and two, the police could have done something wrong, which tends to be more often the case in these controversial cases.

00:14:11.000 But in any case, that's not even the myth-making I'm talking about.

00:14:13.000 The real myth-making is the attempt to rewrite the evidence in the case to now suggest that this shooting of Daunte Wright was not an accident.

00:14:20.000 It was, in fact, on purpose.

00:14:22.000 So, for example, Did y'all not see my little great-nephew?

00:14:25.000 of Daunte Wright speaking publicly and saying this was not an accident, it was outright murder.

00:14:30.000 Now, we showed you the body cam footage yesterday. The woman literally yells, it's a female officer, she literally yells, taser, taser, taser, shoots the guy and says, oh my God, I shot him. It's going to be hard to come up with better evidence of accidents than that. But here's the aunt suggesting that it's murder anyway. Did y'all not see my little great nephew? Did y'all not see that beautiful baby? He is fatherless.

00:14:56.000 Not over a mistake!

00:14:58.000 Over murder!

00:15:00.000 That's murder!

00:15:01.000 Say his name!

00:15:08.000 Okay, um...

00:15:10.000 I'm sorry, it was not murder.

00:15:12.000 It was a tragedy, it was a horrible circumstance, and the woman is going to end up probably copping a manslaughter. 1.00

00:15:18.000 But that was not murder.

00:15:19.000 Okay, and AOC is saying the same thing.

00:15:22.000 Because again, the idea is that evidence is unnecessary in order to declare that the police are really bad.

00:15:25.000 So AOC, the incredible, brilliant, insightful, fresh-faced, so fresh, so face, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, famous mostly for being very popular on Twitter, Oh, it wasn't?

00:15:40.000 Okay, that is just insane.

00:15:40.000 Really?

00:15:40.000 Explain.

00:15:41.000 That's crazy.

00:15:41.000 I'm sorry.

00:15:41.000 random disconnected accident.

00:15:43.000 Oh, it wasn't?

00:15:44.000 Really, explain.

00:15:45.000 It was the repeated outcome of an indefensible system that grants impunity for state violence, rewards it with endlessly growing budgets at the cost of community investment and targets those who question that order.

00:15:54.000 Okay, that is just insane.

00:15:57.000 I'm sorry, that's crazy.

00:15:58.000 When she says that Daunte Bright's killing was not a random disconnected accident, which is exactly what it was, that it was the repeated outcome of an indefensible system that grants impunity for...

00:16:06.000 This woman's gonna end up on manslaughter charges. 1.00

00:16:09.000 Rewards it with endlessly growing budgets at the cost of community investment.

00:16:12.000 I wasn't aware that when you actually invest in the police, that doesn't count as a community investment, considering that the single greatest factor in reducing crime rates is putting cops on the streets.

00:16:22.000 And targets those who question that order.

00:16:24.000 Weird, because AOC questions that order, and I'm not seeing the police pulling her over and or doing something terrible to her.

00:16:30.000 I'm not seeing that.

00:16:31.000 Then she suggested cameras, chokehold bans, retraining funds, and similar reform measures do not ultimately solve what is a systemic problem.

00:16:38.000 So she's saying that you can't even take actions that are likely to reduce the likelihood of bad circumstances.

00:16:43.000 She says the system will find a way.

00:16:45.000 Killings happen on camera.

00:16:46.000 People are killed in other ways.

00:16:47.000 Retraining grows money, while often substituting for deeper measures.

00:16:51.000 So what exactly is her solution?

00:16:53.000 Presumably, defund the police.

00:16:56.000 And then you want these people deciding what is best for you and your community?

00:17:01.000 It's pretty incredible stuff.

00:17:03.000 Speaking of which, the officer and the police chief in Brooklyn Center have now resigned.

00:17:10.000 So, again, the notion that the system is completely, it's a complete failure, and that this particular incident is evidence of the complete failure of the system, the body cams gave you the evidence.

00:17:20.000 The body cams are what let you know what happened here.

00:17:23.000 The information was released to the public.

00:17:26.000 Doesn't matter.

00:17:27.000 The point here from the media, from the Democrats, is that the cops are always bad.

00:17:31.000 The cops have to be stopped.

00:17:32.000 The cops are a rampant fascist force out of control.

00:17:35.000 And the undergirding so much of what Democrats talk about cops is this.

00:17:39.000 They have this bifurcated view of cops.

00:17:41.000 On the one hand, they will pay homage to them the same way that Joe Biden paid homage to a police officer who was killed at the Capitol yesterday.

00:17:49.000 And they'll do so in moving fashion.

00:17:50.000 On the other hand, they will suggest that America's police are systemically racist.

00:17:53.000 And it all depends on the circumstance.

00:17:56.000 But in the end, can you trust Democrats to keep your city safe?

00:17:58.000 I'm wondering because what I'm seeing right now is the Democrats who run every one of these major American cities are not keeping you safe.

00:18:04.000 They're making your life worse.

00:18:06.000 OK, in just a second, we're going to get to the latest in the Derek Chauvin trial, because if you're worried about the riots right now in Minneapolis, Wait about a week.

00:18:13.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:19:26.000 Okay, so this brings us to the latest in the Derek Chauvin trial.

00:19:29.000 So the Derek Chauvin trial continues to pace.

00:19:31.000 The defense began laying out its case yesterday.

00:19:35.000 And it was basically two pieces of testimonial evidence that really mattered in the defense case with regard to Derek Chauvin yesterday.

00:19:44.000 Now listen, if I have to ballpark where I think this is going, I don't think there's a chance in the world that Chauvin actually gets acquitted.

00:19:49.000 I think that given the nature of the jury, the fact this is taking place in Minneapolis, I think it's very doubtful.

00:19:54.000 You need a unanimous jury to either convict or to acquit.

00:19:56.000 So I think the most likely outcome here is a hung jury.

00:19:59.000 I think you'll get a couple of jurors who say, we're not going to convict on the basis of this evidence.

00:20:02.000 You might get a conviction on the basis of the manslaughter.

00:20:04.000 I think the murder charges are way too far.

00:20:06.000 I think they were always way too far.

00:20:07.000 I think manslaughter is, at the very least, somewhat understandable coming from the jury.

00:20:14.000 Maybe, if you view the evidence through a very skeptical prism toward the defense.

00:20:19.000 Okay, but I think the most likely outcome here is a hung jury.

00:20:23.000 So there are two pieces of evidence that were trotted out yesterday with regard to the Chauvin trial.

00:20:28.000 Piece of evidence number one was this old arrest in 2019, because it looks a lot like the arrest that happened in 2020 with regard to George Floyd, an arrest during which he died.

00:20:39.000 His behavior during one is sort of indicative of his behavior during the other.

00:20:42.000 The other piece of evidence was a bunch of testimony from a police use of force expert named Barry Broad, who basically testified that Chauvin's use of force here was reasonable.

00:20:51.000 Okay, well, that is what the defense needs to show.

00:20:55.000 Broad's testimony, I will say, was not stellar.

00:20:59.000 The body cam footage from the 2019 arrest is more probative.

00:21:04.000 Okay, so we're gonna go through all of that, because remember, what the defense has to show here, or what the prosecution has to prove, and the defense has to debunk, is one, that Floyd died of not a drug overdose, or any underlying condition, but died because of what Chauvin did, and two, the prosecution has to show that Chauvin's use of force was objectively unreasonable.

00:21:24.000 That it was unlawful.

00:21:24.000 Okay, so the defense has to show, contrarily, that it's not beyond a reasonable doubt, that it could have been reasonable use of force, and two, Floyd could have died from these other causes.

00:21:34.000 Okay, that's what a lot of the testimony was about yesterday.

00:21:36.000 Okay, so we begin with the 2019 arrest.

00:21:41.000 There were a couple of pieces of testimony here that actually mattered.

00:21:44.000 One was the actual body cam footage from the 2019 arrest in which it was shown in court that Floyd had swallowed evidence when he was arrested.

00:21:52.000 Presumably drugs, that's what you swallow.

00:21:53.000 I assume it wasn't like a bag of cash.

00:21:55.000 He swallowed some of the evidence.

00:21:57.000 And the idea here, presumably, is that Floyd could have done the same thing here.

00:22:02.000 That as the cops were approaching, he put a bunch of pills in his mouth, those pills drove up his heart rate, and then drove his heart rate down, and then he died.

00:22:09.000 That would be the case that the defense is making here.

00:22:11.000 They're saying he did the same thing as in 2019, it just went a lot more wrong in this particular case.

00:22:15.000 And there's some ancillary evidence to that effect, namely that there were spit-out pills in the back of the cop car that were laced, apparently, with methamphetanil.

00:22:22.000 Here is the flashback 2019 tape from George Floyd's arrest back then.

00:22:51.000 Okay, so he obviously was not complying with officer orders there.

00:22:54.000 He tried to swallow the evidence.

00:22:55.000 And so what the defense was claiming is he did the same thing here.

00:22:58.000 Michelle Mosing was a paramedic in that particular case.

00:23:01.000 And she said that, I talked to Floyd, and Floyd said at the time that he was addicted to pain pills and he took seven to nine Percocet.

00:23:06.000 That is a lot of Percocet, gang.

00:23:08.000 Percocet is basically just OxyContin.

00:23:10.000 Here's the paramedic in this particular case.

00:23:13.000 He told you that he swallowed some pills, right?

00:23:15.000 Yes.

00:23:16.000 Approximately seven Percocet, correct?

00:23:22.000 I documented, yeah, 7 to 9 every 20 minutes or so for a while.

00:23:30.000 So he told you that he had been taking those pills throughout the day, right?

00:23:35.000 Yes, and I asked him why.

00:23:37.000 He said it's because he was addicted.

00:23:40.000 Okay, so the drug addiction case is going to be a case that is pushed pretty heavily by the defense in terms of the causation.

00:23:46.000 Again, there was an intervening cause.

00:23:47.000 They're going to say the intervening cause was Floyd's dramatic drug use.

00:23:50.000 The intervening cause was Floyd's heart condition.

00:23:52.000 Now, one of the things that's happening here also is the prosecution is forcibly attempting to suppress witness testimony.

00:23:57.000 So the defense Argued in front of the jury.

00:24:01.000 Guys, his drug dealer was in the car with him.

00:24:03.000 The prosecution could offer that guy immunity in return for his testimony.

00:24:07.000 They won't do it.

00:24:09.000 Why do you think they won't do it?

00:24:10.000 Could it be because he's about to testify that he is complicit in the death of George Floyd by giving him a bunch of drugs in the car?

00:24:18.000 Because why else would you have your drug dealer in the car with you?

00:24:21.000 Right, so that's something the defense is arguing.

00:24:23.000 They're also pointing out that there's other testimony that this guy had, for example, an FBI interview for like an hour and a half, and none of that testimony is being admitted in court.

00:24:31.000 There are gonna be some cases on appeal here.

00:24:33.000 The judge's behavior in this particular case, I have to say, is extraordinarily pro-prosecution.

00:24:38.000 Not only did he allow a week of testimony of very little probative value, probative means actually goes toward proving the case, he allowed a week of testimony from bystanders talking about how upset they were by Floyd's death, which is not probative in any way, it is just prejudicial.

00:24:51.000 Not only did he do that, not only did he reinstate a third-degree murder charge that certainly does not fit the elements here, not only did he refuse the defense's request to transfer the trial out of Minneapolis, where it's very difficult to get a fair trial, but now he's basically barring the defense from asking questions about excited delirium to prosecution witnesses.

00:25:09.000 He's barring the defense from being able to admit testimony from the drug dealer who was in the car with George Floyd.

00:25:15.000 You know, all that seems Frankly, extraordinarily pro-prosecution.

00:25:19.000 Okay, so the other piece of evidence that came out in the Chauvin trial yesterday was the police use of force expert.

00:25:24.000 His name is Barry Broad.

00:25:25.000 I don't think he did a fantastic job, frankly.

00:25:28.000 He was trying to argue that Chauvin's use of force was justified.

00:25:32.000 And there's a good case to make that his use of force was justified.

00:25:35.000 Here was Barry Broad saying that Chauvin was justified in his use of force using a three-pronged analysis.

00:25:40.000 So was the officer's use of force proportionate to the level of resistance demonstrated by the suspect?

00:25:49.000 Objectively reasonable, correct?

00:25:50.000 Yes.

00:25:52.000 So in terms of your three-part analysis, did you apply that analysis to this case?

00:25:57.000 I did.

00:25:57.000 In your opinion, was this a use of deadly force?

00:26:02.000 And can you just briefly overview your opinions in this particular case?

00:26:02.000 It was not.

00:26:08.000 I felt that Derek Chauvin was justified and was acting with objective reasonableness following Minneapolis Police Department policy and current standards of law enforcement and his interactions with Mr. Floyd.

00:26:22.000 So the three-pronged analysis that he used to determine this, he said if the officer had justification to detain the suspect, which he did, how the suspect responded to the officer, and if the officer's use of force was proportionate to the level of resistance demonstrated by the suspect.

00:26:33.000 It's that last one, whether the officer's use of force was proportionate to the level of resistance demonstrated by the suspect.

00:26:38.000 That's the one that's really at issue.

00:26:39.000 Because it's clear that Floyd was resisting arrest.

00:26:42.000 It is clear that the officer had justification to detain the suspect because the suspect Was passing counterfeit bills and resisting arrest.

00:26:50.000 The real question is whether Chauvin was justified in keeping Floyd face down and then staying on him as he passed out.

00:26:57.000 Here's Broad explaining why he thinks they were justified in keeping Floyd face down in the first place.

00:27:01.000 Why would it be safer for the suspect to keep him in that prone control?

00:27:05.000 Because if they were to get up and run, handcuffed, trip and fall, sustain facial injuries, other injuries on the ground, their mobility is reduced, their ability to move is reduced, and the ability to hurt themselves is reduced.

00:27:20.000 What if they became sick, for example?

00:27:22.000 prone control, instead of having somebody lay on their back where they could aspirate on vomit, prone control, their face is down, airway is clear. If they vomit, it's not going to go down their trachea or down their throat. Okay, so that's actually a pretty good piece of testimony in favor of the defense that what Chauvin was doing here is basic police protocol, where the, where this witness, you know, really screwed up is he said that that was no use of force.

00:27:47.000 That when you're suppressing Floyd by being on his back, that is a no use of force. 0.77

00:27:50.000 That, of course, is very silly.

00:27:51.000 It is a form of use of force. 0.83

00:27:53.000 It is just a very low level use of force is what he really should have said.

00:27:56.000 And the prosecution, of course, jumped on this with both feet.

00:27:59.000 A compliant person would have both their hands in the small of their back and just be resting comfortably versus like he's still moving around.

00:28:06.000 Did you say resting comfortably?

00:28:08.000 Or laying comfortably?

00:28:09.000 Resting comfortably on the pavement.

00:28:12.000 Yes.

00:28:12.000 At this point in time when he's attempting to breathe by shoving his shoulder into the pavement.

00:28:18.000 I was describing what the signs of a perfectly compliant person would be.

00:28:23.000 So attempting to breathe while restrained is being slightly non-compliant?

00:28:29.000 No.

00:28:30.000 No.

00:28:31.000 Okay, so there the prosecution is honing in on what they think is the defense use of force expert's overstatement of the case.

00:28:39.000 What the defense use of force expert was attempting to say, presumably, is that if Floyd had been compliant all the way throughout, he would not have been kicking at the officers, he would have not been attempting to push against the officers, he would have been lying there, and then they basically would have just been either sitting on top of him or not sitting on top of him at all.

00:28:54.000 Okay, here's the bottom line.

00:28:55.000 Again, the defense does not have to prove that Chauvin is innocent.

00:28:58.000 They just have to prove not beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:29:01.000 The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:29:03.000 So we'll see what the rest of the witness testimony tends to show.

00:29:07.000 Again, my guess is that Chauvin ends up convicted of manslaughter if he's convicted of anything.

00:29:13.000 And a hung jury is a not implausible outcome in this particular case.

00:29:17.000 If there's a hung jury, there'll be rioting. 0.74

00:29:18.000 Extraordinary rioting.

00:29:19.000 If he's convicted of manslaughter, there may be rioting.

00:29:22.000 Because people will just say, well, he should have been convicted of murder.

00:29:25.000 And this is how the media have set up this narrative.

00:29:27.000 Even though the evidence here is quite shaded.

00:29:29.000 Even though this is a much more complex story than people were originally led to believe.

00:29:33.000 The media have set this thing up for riots, and riots you shall receive, because we now live in an America in which police killings that are unjustified are statistically extremely rare.

00:29:44.000 They are very, very rare in the United States, given the number of interactions between police and suspects.

00:29:49.000 But you know what is not rare?

00:29:50.000 Whenever there is a controversial situation caught on tape, or even not caught on tape, between a white police officer and a black suspect, You can be assured that in at least 50% of cases, I would imagine, there is some form of rioting or looting that breaks out into the public. 0.91

00:30:07.000 If it's high profile enough.

00:30:09.000 That whenever one of these things becomes public, there is rioting and looting.

00:30:12.000 And we should not live in a country where we expect that sort of behavior.

00:30:14.000 Because American citizens have a right to expect two things.

00:30:17.000 That don't conflict with each other.

00:30:18.000 One, that they are not going to be unjustifiably killed by the police or mistreated by the police.

00:30:22.000 And two, that their fellow American citizens should not be allowed to roam around looting and rioting and doing great violence and harm. 0.62

00:30:30.000 These are not conflicting ideas.

00:30:32.000 They're perfectly in consonance with one another, but the media have set them up in complete opposite to one another.

00:30:36.000 Because the idea is that if the cops do something wrong, then riots and looting, if not justified, are at least understandable.

00:30:42.000 And that's the way the media have been covering this stuff throughout.

00:30:44.000 That is the soft bigotry of low expectations.

00:30:46.000 It would not be allowed under any other rubric in American life, but the media have basically decided, as Nikole Hannah-Jones said, 1619 riots.

00:30:54.000 All right, coming up, we're gonna get to the perversion of test science under Joe Biden and the Democrats.

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00:33:04.000 ♪♪ All righty, so the left, the Democratic Party, the media, they've decided to pervert the science on every possible front.

00:33:14.000 We'll get to how they are screwing it up on the vaccines in just one second, because it truly is one of the great public health failures of our time.

00:33:21.000 I should note at this point that the scientific community has basically become, in many ways, a propaganda outlet on behalf of the left.

00:33:27.000 This is true in regards to everything from transgender hormone therapy and surgery for children to climate change.

00:33:35.000 It's pretty incredible.

00:33:36.000 There are two problems that plague the scientific community when it comes to politics.

00:33:39.000 One is the ultracrepidarian problem. 0.96

00:33:41.000 I've used this word a lot because, frankly, I see it everywhere now.

00:33:44.000 Ultracrepidarianism is the thing where you speak out of turn, where you don't know anything about a particular topic, and then you speak as though you do know something about a particular topic.

00:33:53.000 Ultracrepidarianism, for example, would be the CDC director, Rochelle Walensky, declaring that racism is a public health problem, which is absurd. 0.99

00:34:00.000 That's like saying stupidity is a public health problem. 0.96

00:34:02.000 It turns out lots of bad things in life have impacts on public health. 1.00

00:34:05.000 That does not make them a public health problem.

00:34:07.000 Okay, so that is ultracrepidarianism. 0.91

00:34:09.000 She's speaking outside her area of expertise while using her white coat in order to guise her ignorance. 0.91

00:34:14.000 Okay, so that is one problem.

00:34:15.000 The other problem you see...

00:34:16.000 is the reverse effect, where politics cloaks itself as science, and then people treat it as though it is science.

00:34:22.000 What I call the bleed-over effect, which is a bunch of people suggesting unscientific things are in fact science.

00:34:28.000 This would be Joe Biden suggesting that gender ideology is in fact science, when it clearly is not. 0.79

00:34:33.000 You see both of these things from Scientific American.

00:34:35.000 Scientific American has become more and more politicized these days.

00:34:38.000 They openly endorsed Joe Biden for president.

00:34:40.000 It was Not a complete shock, but you saw Nature do the same thing.

00:34:44.000 A bunch of these quote-unquote scientific magazines suddenly have a very strong political bent.

00:34:48.000 Who could have predicted such a thing?

00:34:49.000 Okay, there's a piece in Scientific American in which the magazine announces that they are no longer going to use the term climate change.

00:34:57.000 Instead, they're going to use the term climate emergency.

00:35:00.000 Now, I was not aware that there's a scientific designation that amounts to emergency.

00:35:05.000 There is such a thing in medicine, for example, it's like emergency medicine.

00:35:07.000 Right, which is the person's gonna die if you don't do something about it right now.

00:35:11.000 But climate emergency is not as though a certain level of climate change occurring over the course of the century turns it from just change to emergency.

00:35:18.000 This is a completely political designation.

00:35:21.000 And by the way, I do not consider it a quote-unquote emergency if the climate were to warm four degrees Celsius over the course of the next century.

00:35:28.000 I consider that a gradual change that human beings are going to have to adapt to with increased technological know-how, as well as innovation, which human beings have been doing for literally all of the history of humankind.

00:35:39.000 Adaptation, we're really good at it.

00:35:41.000 Mitigation, not so much.

00:35:43.000 In any case, Scientific America now says that it is a scientific duty for them to call this a climate emergency, which is just a lie.

00:35:50.000 It's just a way for them to create a certain level of alarmism that is unjustifiable by the facts on the ground.

00:35:57.000 The fact is, the economies around the world are growing at such a rapid clip that the amount of damage to be done to humankind on the basis of climate change is a small percentage of global GDP on an economic level.

00:36:10.000 And in terms of actual human damage, we should be focused on how to mitigate that human damage, but we are not talking, as so many people have suggested, about billions of people dying, or hundreds of millions of people dying, or anything like that.

00:36:20.000 We're not even talking about tens of millions of people dying.

00:36:22.000 We're not talking about probably millions of people dying through climate change directly.

00:36:26.000 In any case, Scientific American has now declared it a climate emergency.

00:36:29.000 They say, it's an emergency.

00:36:30.000 It's a serious situation that requires immediate action.

00:36:33.000 When someone calls 911 because they can't breathe, that's an emergency.

00:36:36.000 When someone stumbles on the sidewalk because their chest is pounding and their lips are turning blue, that's an emergency.

00:36:40.000 Both people require help right away.

00:36:42.000 Multiply those individuals by millions of people who have similar symptoms, and it constitutes the biggest global health emergency in a century, the COVID-19 pandemic.

00:36:50.000 Now consider the following scenarios.

00:36:52.000 A hurricane blasts Florida.

00:36:53.000 A California dam bursts because floods have piled water high up behind it.

00:36:57.000 A sudden record-setting cold snap cuts power to the entire state of Texas.

00:37:00.000 These are also emergencies that require immediate action.

00:37:02.000 Multiply these situations worldwide, and you have the biggest environmental emergency to beset the Earth in millennia, climate change.

00:37:11.000 Okay, that is just an absurd comparison.

00:37:13.000 That's absurd.

00:37:14.000 Hurricanes have been hitting Florida for a very, very long time.

00:37:17.000 And as it turns out, actually, the amount of damage being done by hurricanes has only been increasing because of what we call the bullseye effect.

00:37:23.000 Namely, people are building more stuff in the way of hurricanes.

00:37:26.000 So you're going to say there was a cold snap in Texas, therefore, climate change is an emergency?

00:37:32.000 I was informed reliably by you guys that weather is not climate.

00:37:36.000 In fact, every time there's a cold snap, there are people on the right, they're like, oh, climate change isn't happening because it's snowing.

00:37:40.000 And people on the left are like, hey, you're confusing weather with climate.

00:37:43.000 I'm sensing a similar thing here.

00:37:45.000 And look, bottom line is this is not the science, it is the science, right?

00:37:48.000 It's fake politicized science.

00:37:49.000 And you see this now being applied in the realm of vaccinations.

00:37:53.000 I've never seen the sort of public health debacle that we are seeing from the Biden administration in terms of their public facing statements toward vaccination.

00:38:01.000 These vaccines, with regard to COVID-19, are a godsend.

00:38:05.000 You're talking about vaccines that have a nearly 100% efficacy rate with regard to reducing death and serious disease.

00:38:12.000 And your take is nobody should ever go to a restaurant again?

00:38:17.000 And not only that, your take is that if there is an upswing, it is so dangerous we have to shut down all of American society.

00:38:22.000 But if we have a vaccine in which there are six adverse reactions among seven million people who have taken the vaccine, we have to pause on that vaccine?

00:38:30.000 You can't have it both ways.

00:38:31.000 Either COVID's an emergency or it ain't an emergency.

00:38:33.000 Right now, all of these vaccines have been given emergency use authorization.

00:38:37.000 They are not operating under typical FDA rules.

00:38:39.000 By the way, the notion that the FDA is your great protective body is an absurdity.

00:38:43.000 It's an absurdity from the beginning.

00:38:45.000 You know when we had the actual sequenced vaccine ready?

00:38:49.000 The sequencing of the vaccine was ready in January of 2020.

00:38:53.000 Not an American, so far as I'm aware, had died yet when we had the sequencing available for the mRNA vaccine for COVID-19.

00:39:00.000 It took all the way until November.

00:39:02.000 For the FDA to clear the use of these vaccines.

00:39:04.000 How many lives could have been saved in the meantime?

00:39:06.000 The CDC lied to you about masks.

00:39:08.000 Then the CDC blew it about eight times over for a variety of reasons.

00:39:12.000 And your take is that the government knows what they are doing here?

00:39:15.000 Okay, so the latest indicator on all of this, the latest move on all of this, is that the Biden administration has decided via the FDA to halt the rollout of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

00:39:25.000 The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is a DNA-based vaccine as opposed to the mRNA vaccines, which means it is slightly more traditional than the mRNA vaccines.

00:39:33.000 It also happens to be extremely durable because DNA vaccines don't have to be stored at 30 degrees below zero or whatever it is that you require in order to actually store the Pfizer vaccine, for example.

00:39:44.000 Also, they're a single-shot vaccine.

00:39:45.000 So these things are really, really useful, especially when you need to quickly wave them into a community and have the shots rolled out, which is what you need right now, for example, in Michigan.

00:39:54.000 Instead, the Biden administration's FDA, and it is the Biden administration FDA, they announced that they are pausing the J&J vaccine because there were six, six cases, Or the serious blood clotting disorder that emerged after 6.8 million people had been given the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

00:40:10.000 Your chances, based on these statistics, of having this condition are less than one in a million.

00:40:15.000 We stopped the rollout of vaccine in the middle of a pandemic.

00:40:18.000 We're not talking about just generally.

00:40:19.000 In the middle of a pandemic.

00:40:21.000 By the way, I would imagine that the rate of Guillain-Barré for the flu vaccine is way higher than the rate that you are talking about right now.

00:40:28.000 In terms of the number of people with adverse consequences.

00:40:32.000 And yet, we don't pause the flu vaccine rollout.

00:40:35.000 In fact, the FDA greenlit that.

00:40:36.000 Okay, but here was Anthony Fauci, the greatest doctor in all the land, after Dr. Joe Biden, suggesting we're not being too hasty in pausing.

00:40:42.000 I mean, what's the big deal?

00:40:43.000 We have other vaccines that are ready to go, as we'll see in a second.

00:40:45.000 It ain't quite that simple.

00:40:46.000 Here is Anthony Fauci.

00:40:48.000 You want to make sure that safety is the important issue here.

00:40:53.000 We are totally aware that this is a very rare event.

00:40:56.000 We want to get this worked out as quickly as we possibly can.

00:41:00.000 And that's why you see the word pause.

00:41:02.000 In other words, you want to hold off for a bit and very well may go back to that, maybe with some conditions or maybe not.

00:41:08.000 But we want to leave that up to the FDA and the CDC to investigate this carefully.

00:41:12.000 So I don't think it was pulling the trigger too quickly.

00:41:15.000 Oh, it wasn't pulling the trigger too quick.

00:41:16.000 It's all fine.

00:41:17.000 Joe Biden then came out and he said, well, you know, we have these other vaccines that are ready to go.

00:41:20.000 They can just ramp up.

00:41:21.000 So Johnson and Johnson ramps down.

00:41:22.000 No biggie.

00:41:24.000 The message to the American people on the vaccine is, I told you all, I made sure we have 600 million doses.

00:41:33.000 Yeah, but that doesn't mean that they've all been rolled out evenly, right?

00:41:37.000 AstraZeneca. So there's enough vaccine that is basically 100% unquestionable for every single solitary American.

00:41:47.000 Yeah, but that doesn't mean that they've all been rolled out evenly, right? According to Mitch Smith and Michael Shearer over at the New York Times, quote, the student union had been converted into a vaccination center. The doses had arrived on campus.

00:41:58.000 The first appointments were minutes away.

00:41:59.000 Then at 7.23 a.m.

00:42:01.000 on Tuesday, news of the pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccinations reached Youngstown State University.

00:42:05.000 We're ready to go, said Shannon Turone, an associate VP at the University in Eastern Ohio, who instead started calling students to tell them they would not be able to get the vaccine after all.

00:42:14.000 Similar scenes played out across the country, as the abrupt halt in the use of the J&J vaccine because of concerns about potential blood clots upended plans to vaccinate some of the country's hardest-to-reach populations.

00:42:24.000 In California, Mobile vaccine clinics in rural areas were canceled.

00:42:27.000 In Chicago, vaccination events for restaurant employees and aviation workers were postponed indefinitely.

00:42:33.000 At colleges in Ohio, New York, and Tennessee, where the one-dose vaccine offered a chance to quickly inoculate students before they left campus for the summer, appointments were called off en masse.

00:42:41.000 So no, you can't just cancel this thing and believe that it has no immediate impact.

00:42:45.000 It does.

00:42:45.000 Not only does it have immediate impact, it completely undercuts the entire case that you have been making, which is that people ought to get the vaccine in the first place.

00:42:53.000 You keep saying that the vaccines are safe.

00:42:55.000 Then, you roll this thing out and on the basis of six cases out of seven million people who've gotten the vaccine, you're going to tell people that we were pausing it?

00:43:02.000 Okay, there are a bunch of people out there right now who are worried about the fact there's no longitudinal studies on these vaccines.

00:43:08.000 What do you think you just did?

00:43:09.000 You just completely undermined faith in one tool that is going to get us out of the pandemic in the first place.

00:43:15.000 It's a bleep show.

00:43:16.000 This isn't the science.

00:43:17.000 This is tough science.

00:43:18.000 And I can't imagine it has anything to do at all with the apparent desire of the Biden administration to prolong the pandemic indefinitely.

00:43:27.000 To continue to play down the efficacy of the vaccines so that we can continue to proclaim that we're in the middle of a crisis and require giant government action in order to get out of it.

00:43:35.000 All right, we'll be back here later today with an additional hour of content.

00:43:37.000 We'll be talking about Joe Biden withdrawing from Afghanistan.

00:43:40.000 We'll talk about new information about Andrew Cuomo, who is apparently like super anti-Semitic.

00:43:45.000 Like really, like I have a line from Andrew Cuomo here.

00:43:47.000 It's pretty astonishing.

00:43:48.000 A lot more to get to later today, so make sure to check it out.

00:43:51.000 In the meantime, go check out The Michael Knowles Show.

00:43:54.000 On today's episode, Michael will be talking about Caitlyn Jenner.

00:43:56.000 Seriously considering a run for governor.

00:43:58.000 We should make Caitlyn Jenner, what, the first female governor of the state of California? 1.00

00:44:03.000 I'm not aware that California has had a female governor before. 0.80

00:44:06.000 That episode is available right now.

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00:44:36.000 A BLM supporter defends looting.

00:44:38.000 Cruz and Hawley move to bust up woke corporations.

00:44:41.000 And the CDC pauses one of the WuFlu vaccines.

The Ben Shapiro Show - April 14, 2021

Abolish The Police?! | Ep. 1235

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