The Ben Shapiro Show - Conservatives Not Welcome | Ep. 507

00:00:00.000 Parkland survivor David Hogg goes after Laura Ingraham's advertisers, the media seek to bar conservatives on any grounds possible, and we check the mailbag.

00:00:08.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:14.000 All right, well, we have a lot to get to.

00:00:16.000 I want to talk a lot about what's been going on with Laura Ingraham and this AstroTurf boycott by Media Matters and why it has nothing to do with civility or decency and has everything to do with politics.

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00:01:44.000 The big story over the last 24 hours has been that many advertisers have now dropped Laura Ingraham's show on Fox News.

00:01:50.000 And the reason they dropped Laura Ingraham's show is because she tweeted something out yesterday, which we discussed, in which she suggested, I'm going to quote her directly, she said, David Hogg rejected by four colleges to which he applied and whines about it.

00:02:01.000 And we played the clip of David Hogg, who is the Parkland shooting survivor, who's obviously made a name for himself saying pretty vicious things on television about Second Amendment advocates, Dana Lash, GOP-ers.

00:02:10.000 He's been pretty brutal to everyone who disagrees with him, and he's wanted to have it both ways, David Hogg.

00:02:17.000 And again, this is not a criticism of his right to speak.

00:02:19.000 Obviously, he has the right to speak, and he should speak however much he wants.

00:02:22.000 And this isn't a criticism of his status as a survivor.

00:02:24.000 Obviously, something awful that never should happen to anybody of decency happened to David Hogg, and that's awful and unforgivable.

00:02:31.000 But he's now in the political debate, and that means that there's some slings and arrows that come with the political debate.

00:02:35.000 I know this, okay?

00:02:36.000 When I was 17 years old, same age as David Hogg, I started writing a syndicated column.

00:02:40.000 And I got clubbed about the ears for it.

00:02:42.000 And a lot of that was deserved, because guess what?

00:02:43.000 At 17, you don't know everything, and sometimes your perspectives are wrong.

00:02:47.000 And if you join in the political debate, then it is open season on your politics.

00:02:51.000 And by the way, it's not to be gauche.

00:02:55.000 Insults are bad. 1.00

00:02:56.000 People saying silly, stupid things about you, that's nasty. 1.00

00:02:59.000 But it does happen on a relatively regular basis. 1.00

00:03:02.000 For years, I was called the Virgin Ben in the left-wing press.

00:03:05.000 That is not a joke. 0.77

00:03:06.000 From the time I was 17, there were people who were calling me the Virgin Ben because obviously I was a nerd who had never had sex.

00:03:12.000 And I was proud about the fact that I hadn't had sex and I was a virgin until I was married, but I was called the Virgin Ben.

00:03:17.000 Not once did I ever call for the people who were calling me the Virgin Ben to lose their advertising base. 1.00

00:03:21.000 And my retaliatory response was always, OK, let's talk about ideas or you're an idiot. 1.00

00:03:26.000 OK, that's the way that politics works. 1.00

00:03:27.000 David Hogg, however, called immediately.

00:03:30.000 For an advertiser boycott on Laura Ingram and all these advertisers complied.

00:03:34.000 A lot of advertisers comply with this stuff because they're afraid that they don't really want the controversy.

00:03:39.000 They're concerned that any controversy associated with their product is going to hurt their sales.

00:03:42.000 The reality is these boycotts don't really work very well.

00:03:44.000 When they tried an actual boycott against Chick-fil-A, for example, it failed immediately.

00:03:48.000 I remember just a few weeks ago, months ago, when Keurig Coffee was bullied into dropping Sean Hannity as an advertiser.

00:03:56.000 Sean fought back and Keira Greene stated their advertisement within like a week.

00:03:59.000 So all this talk about advertisers really feeling the impact of politics, it's just not true.

00:04:04.000 People don't not buy products because they don't like the programs that advertisers advertise on, right?

00:04:11.000 Secondary boycotts generally do not work.

00:04:13.000 That's worth noting.

00:04:15.000 One of the questions I want to ask here is what is this boycott against Laura really about?

00:04:19.000 She's come out and apologized now.

00:04:20.000 So if you said that it was about civility, if you said it was about decency, she shouldn't have said what she said.

00:04:24.000 I don't think she should have said what she said either.

00:04:25.000 I said that yesterday on the show.

00:04:26.000 But if you think this boycott is about civility or decency, you got another thing coming because now she's apologized.

00:04:31.000 OK.

00:04:32.000 Status quo ante restored, right?

00:04:34.000 We're all supposed to be cordial with the Parkland survivors, which we should be.

00:04:37.000 We should be decent with the Parkland survivors, which we should be.

00:04:39.000 I've been very focused on doing that throughout this entire, entire horrible mess that's happened in the aftermath of an even more horrible, horrible incident, obviously.

00:04:49.000 But decency was restored, right?

00:04:50.000 Well, not right, because after Laura Ingraham apologized, David Hogg said, I want to continue to boycott Laura Ingraham, right?

00:04:56.000 He said, I want to continue to boycott Laura Ingraham.

00:04:59.000 So here is Hogg rejecting Laura Ingraham's apology.

00:05:03.000 That they cannot push us around, especially when all we're trying to do here is save lives.

00:05:08.000 And when people try to distract, like Laura's trying to do right now, from what the real issue here is, which is gun violence in America, it's not only sad, it's just wrong.

00:05:17.000 From a journalistic standpoint, I would say that she needs to be more objective and needs to stand down, because I am not the issue here.

00:05:24.000 The issue needs to be gun violence in America, but what she's trying to do is to distract from that.

00:05:28.000 OK, well, first of all, I seriously doubt that David Hogg hates the attention.

00:05:33.000 I think that, you know, when it comes to him pushing a boycott that's successfully working, I think, against Laura Ingraham's advertisers, I really doubt that David Hogg laments that.

00:05:42.000 And as far as who's taking us off focus on the gun control stuff,

00:05:45.000 You know, none of this has to do with gun control.

00:05:47.000 Laura shouldn't have said what she said.

00:05:48.000 Hogg shouldn't have made an issue out of it.

00:05:49.000 It's really, like, none of this really has to do with gun control or saving lives, pretty clearly.

00:05:54.000 I don't know what he means when he says that Laura should be more objective.

00:05:56.000 She's obviously conservative and she says so.

00:05:57.000 Even Alison Camerota jumps in at that point and says, well, she's not an objective host.

00:06:01.000 That's not him just rejecting her apology.

00:06:03.000 Here's, it's clip three where Hogg rejected Ingram's apology.

00:06:07.000 He said, I 100% agree.

00:06:09.000 An apology is an effort just to save your advertisers is not enough.

00:06:12.000 I will only accept your apology only if you denounce the way your network has treated my friends and I in this fight.

00:06:18.000 It's time to love thy neighbor, not mudslinging children. 1.00

00:06:20.000 So this tweet is really telling.

00:06:23.000 What Hogg is doing here is wildly inappropriate.

00:06:26.000 First of all,

00:06:27.000 He doesn't have to accept her apology.

00:06:28.000 You never have to accept an apology.

00:06:30.000 But if we're going to pretend that this is some sort of principled non-acceptance of an apology, it is clearly not.

00:06:35.000 When he says that, I mean, he's thanking, he's thanking all of the advertisers that are dropping Laura Ingraham because he likes the fact that he is wielding this sort of power against Ingraham for engaging in what is, by any sort of political standard, rather mild stuff.

00:06:47.000 He's tweeting at her, hashtag shut up and be objective.

00:06:51.000 And be objective. 0.89

00:06:52.000 Go back to the original tweet for just a second.

00:06:54.000 The first one, right?

00:06:55.000 So he's when he says here, it's time to love thy neighbor, not mudslinging children. 1.00

00:06:59.000 Two things that David Hogg is saying here.

00:07:01.000 Again, none of this is an attack on Hogg as a person, right?

00:07:03.000 Hogg might be a fine, upstanding person, although I think that his behavior here is really questionable.

00:07:08.000 And I think that his behavior for the last couple of weeks in labeling all of his enemies evil has been really quite vile.

00:07:13.000 But maybe he's maybe he's a good person.

00:07:15.000 He seems like a smart kid, but

00:07:18.000 This last line, it's time to love thy neighbor, not mudslinging children. 1.00

00:07:21.000 Once you step out in the public debate and you start speaking publicly on issues of consequence, you no longer get to hide behind the title child.

00:07:26.000 Like Kyle Cashew, who is a classmate of Hogg's in a younger class than David Hogg, right?

00:07:30.000 I don't think that Kyle is, Kyle's not a senior.

00:07:32.000 I think he's a sophomore, right?

00:07:34.000 Kyle, or a junior.

00:07:36.000 Kyle came out, he said, you don't get to pretend you're a child and then at the same time say that you're an adult who ought to be ruling the world with regard to these policies.

00:07:44.000 And when it comes to David Hogg saying you ought to love thy neighbor and that he's standing up for civility, again, I'm not defending Laura's comment.

00:07:49.000 I'm not saying she shouldn't have apologized.

00:07:50.000 I am saying that David Hogg pretending to be an advocate of civility is pretty astonishing.

00:07:55.000 And launching a boycott on behalf of civility as David Hogg is pretty astonishing because here are all the things that David Hogg has said just in the last two weeks about his political opponents as Clip 10. 1.00

00:08:04.000 Pathetic f***ers that want to keep killing our children. 0.99

00:08:07.000 They could have blood from children spattered all over their faces and they wouldn't take action because they'll still see those dollar signs. 1.00

00:08:13.000 I'm gonna start off by putting this price tag right here as a reminder for you guys to know how much Marco Rubio took for every student's life in Florida.

00:08:21.000 $1.05.

00:08:21.000 Okay.

00:08:25.000 I mean, do you think that's unnecessarily provocative?

00:08:28.000 No, I think it's not enough provoc- I'm not- I don't think it's even provocative enough. 0.96

00:08:32.000 When you're your old parents, like, I don't know how to send an iMessage, and you're just like, give me the f***ing phone. 0.89

00:08:36.000 Sadly, that's what we have to do with our government, because our parents don't know how to use a f***ing democracy, so we have to. 0.73

00:08:41.000 What Dana's trying to do, the- I believe she's the CEO of the NRA, she's trying to distract people. 0.60

00:08:46.000 If you listen to her talk, she's not- She's a national spokeswoman for the NRA.

00:08:48.000 Exactly.

00:08:49.000 She owns these congressmen. 1.00

00:08:51.000 She can get them to do things, it's just she doesn't care about these children's lives. 1.00

00:08:54.000 It just makes me think, what sick

00:08:55.000 If you can't get elected without taking money from child murderers, why are you running? 1.00

00:08:58.000 And that's the great thing about it, because those fuckers aren't going to get re-elected. 1.00

00:09:01.000 When you start hearing from your political aides that there's a shitload of angry future voters, you start to worry a little. 1.00

00:09:23.000 OK, love thy neighbor.

00:09:24.000 OK, I'm sorry.

00:09:24.000 You don't get to play the love thy neighbor card when this has been your shtick for the last couple of weeks.

00:09:28.000 You really don't.

00:09:30.000 It just doesn't wash.

00:09:30.000 So what's the boycott really about?

00:09:31.000 The boycott, of course, is about politics.

00:09:33.000 It's about political opponents of Laura's who see an opening, and now they're going to club her. 0.50

00:09:37.000 Because this is how Media Matters operates.

00:09:38.000 This is how the left operates with their boycott tactics.

00:09:40.000 That if somebody makes a boo-boo, then no apology is sufficient.

00:09:44.000 And they will jump in and they will attempt to remove your advertising base.

00:09:47.000 And you can see this from the way that the media continued to treat this entire issue.

00:09:51.000 So over on MSNBC, right, the MSNBC panel says that Laura Ingraham is losing advertisers over her casual cruelty, right? 0.99

00:09:59.000 MSNBC is jumping on this because MSNBC is a Fox News competitor.

00:10:02.000 This is all political.

00:10:03.000 To pretend this is not political is to ignore reality, obviously.

00:10:07.000 And you don't want to be in business with Laura Ingraham because of her easy and casual cruelty that she inflicts out on people on a daily basis. 0.73

00:10:17.000 And again, to John Heilman's point, what you see is another example of an adult acting

00:10:25.000 Terribly.

00:10:45.000 And the media is pretty much admitting this, right?

00:10:47.000 Brian Stelter on CNN says, listen, we're not treating these kids as we would treat any other guest on our program.

00:10:52.000 We're not calling them when they say things that are blatantly, factually erroneous, right?

00:10:55.000 He was questioned about this by S.E.

00:10:56.000 Cupp on CNN Headline News.

00:10:57.000 This is clip 11.

00:10:58.000 Here's Stelter explaining, yeah, we don't ask them real questions.

00:11:01.000 We just have them come out and trot out their political point of view.

00:11:03.000 And then if anybody attacks their political point of view, then we basically say those people are bad people.

00:11:07.000 When I was interviewing David Hogg only 10 days after the massacre, there were a few times I wanted to jump in and say, let's correct that fact.

00:11:15.000 That's so interesting.

00:11:16.000 Let's make sure we're more... And one of the times I did, and other times I did not.

00:11:19.000 And, you know, there's always that balance.

00:11:21.000 Yes, it's a very tricky thing because this is a victim on one hand who is entitled to his own emotional response.

00:11:29.000 But at the same time, as news people, when we hear something demonstrably untrue, you want to go in and say, but that's not right.

00:11:35.000 So when he called Dana Lashley, NRA CEO, interrupted and corrected that.

00:11:38.000 But there are other times when I think all of us can agree.

00:11:42.000 Any of these students, any of these parents, we want everybody to be as well informed as we can about the contours of this debate.

00:11:49.000 Okay, but you didn't stop this kid when he was out there saying that Dana Lash ran the, that she ran Congress, right?

00:11:56.000 You didn't stop, nobody, Alison Camerota didn't stop David Hogg when he went on the air and he called everybody who opposed him akin to a child murderer, right?

00:12:03.000 This is what CNN has done.

00:12:04.000 This is what, CNN's been awful on this.

00:12:06.000 I said this directly to Brian Stelter last week, right?

00:12:08.000 This is nothing that I haven't said publicly on CNN to CNN.

00:12:12.000 So I'm going to talk a little bit more about this in just a second, because I think the ultimate example of this was Allison Camerata this morning on CNN. 0.99

00:12:18.000 I will show it to you.

00:12:18.000 It's pretty egregious.

00:12:19.000 And again, this isn't even about Hogg anymore, right?

00:12:21.000 Hogg is a kid who is using a platform that's being given to him by the media, and he seems like a smart kid.

00:12:26.000 He seems like a motivated kid.

00:12:28.000 He also seems like somebody who's saying things that are deeply immoral, and the media are using him as a prop in order to say those things.

00:12:33.000 And I think that the media are the really problematic people here.

00:12:35.000 I think it's quite disgusting what they're doing.

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00:14:05.000 OK, so the worst example of media bias, obviously, is CNN.

00:14:09.000 And the worst example on CNN has been Alison Camerota, who's just been awful on this. 0.99

00:14:13.000 She's had on survivor after survivor all on the left.

00:14:16.000 She wouldn't have on Kyle Cashew because Kyle Cashew once tweeted out that CNN was fake news.

00:14:20.000 Well, speaking of fake news, here was here was Alison Camerota questioning David Hogg this morning about all of this college hubbub.

00:14:27.000 So remember, this whole thing started with with him going on TMZ.

00:14:31.000 And talking about being rejected by four colleges and handling it pretty decently, I thought, except at the very end, he said that if colleges don't want to help us out, well, we were still changing the world. 0.96

00:14:39.000 The implication being the colleges were rejecting him for his political viewpoint, which is just asinine.

00:14:43.000 OK, colleges, I promise you, the colleges that rejected David Hogg did so long before this happened.

00:14:49.000 Right now, if David Hogg were to reapply, probably half the colleges that didn't let him in would let him in.

00:14:54.000 Now, Hogg said, I mean, he said in the interview, I believe, that he has a 4.1 GPA and a 1270 SAT, which is a fine score.

00:15:01.000 That is not the average score of the people getting into UCLA.

00:15:04.000 I know that my sister didn't get into UCLA, and she had well into the 1300s and about a 4.1 GPA.

00:15:09.000 So again, there are plenty of reason-neutral rationales for why Hogg didn't get into these particular colleges. 0.98

00:15:16.000 And it has nothing to do with him being stupid or anything. 1.00

00:15:18.000 He's not stupid. 0.99

00:15:18.000 He's obviously, again, for the 1,000th time, a smart kid. 0.99

00:15:22.000 There are lots of reasons why you wouldn't get into UCLA with a 1270 average.

00:15:26.000 I mean, with a 1270 SAT.

00:15:28.000 In fact, I want to look up right now the average SAT score for UCLA admittees.

00:15:32.000 It is certainly not a 1270.

00:15:35.000 Right now, let's see.

00:15:38.000 So, let's see.

00:15:39.000 I'm looking up prepscholar.com.

00:15:41.000 So, according to their admission statistics,

00:15:44.000 The average SAT score composite at UCLA is 1370.

00:15:49.000 A full 100 points higher than David Hogg.

00:15:51.000 So that's why he didn't get into UCLA.

00:15:52.000 It's a very selective college.

00:15:53.000 Doesn't mean he's not going to go to college.

00:15:55.000 He will go to college.

00:15:56.000 But watch this clip where Allison Camerata demonstrates that now the media views these kids as cult figures.

00:16:01.000 Cult figures, right?

00:16:03.000 If anybody crosses David Hogg, it's not because maybe there's a reason that they did so, like a value-neutral, they-don't-hate-David-Hogg reason.

00:16:10.000 It must be because they hate David Hogg and hate his agenda.

00:16:12.000 I mean, this clip from Camerata just says so many things in so little time.

00:16:16.000 Let's play it.

00:16:17.000 David, I am stunned that four colleges rejected you. 1.00

00:16:21.000 What kind of dumb ass colleges don't want you? 1.00

00:16:26.000 I mean, you've taken the country by storm. 1.00

00:16:29.000 Okay, this is insane. 1.00

00:16:31.000 Okay, what kind of dumb ass colleges would reject you? 1.00

00:16:34.000 How about colleges that were like just looking at his scores before any of this started? 0.99

00:16:38.000 But again, treating these kids as totems is what this is all about.

00:16:40.000 This is all about treating these kids as totems, and then suggesting that anyone who crosses these kids must be cast out in sackcloth and ashes, even though they're UCLA administrators who are leftists, okay?

00:16:50.000 I know the administrators at UCLA.

00:16:52.000 They are leftists. 0.99

00:16:53.000 This is so silly. 0.97

00:16:54.000 By the way, if you think that David Hogg is a victim of the colleges, forget about what happened at Parkland. 0.97

00:16:58.000 If you think that a white middle class kid, upper middle class kid, from Parkland, Florida,

00:17:03.000 A cis white male, right, a white privileged kid, according to, let's put it this way, if Kyle, if the shooting had not taken place in Parkland, and they were talking right now about the admissions for this guy, would they really be suggesting that the colleges had discriminated against him, or would they suggest that if he got into UCLA he'd be taking a spot that better go to an ethnic kid with a bad background?

00:17:23.000 With a hard background?

00:17:24.000 Apparently cis privilege goes right out the window as soon as a political agenda is at stake.

00:17:28.000 This is about the media.

00:17:29.000 It really isn't about these kids.

00:17:30.000 These kids are saying what they're saying because they're on camera and because they're kids.

00:17:34.000 I don't blame them for that.

00:17:34.000 I do blame the media for making them totems that can never be crossed under any circumstances.

00:17:39.000 Okay, so.

00:17:40.000 Yesterday, I had the opportunity to sit down with Thomas Sowell.

00:17:44.000 And I wanted to bring that to you because it was really cool.

00:17:46.000 Thomas Sowell is, of course, one of the foremost economists in America.

00:17:49.000 He's a terrific thinker.

00:17:51.000 And more importantly, Thomas Sowell is, I think, a real ethical guide for a lot of folks because he thinks about issues rationally.

00:17:59.000 He has a brand new book out.

00:18:00.000 I had a chance to sit down with him yesterday.

00:18:02.000 Here's what it sounded like.

00:18:03.000 Welcome to the show, Thomas Sowell, the leading economist in the United States and one of the great thinkers of the modern American scene.

00:18:09.000 He has a brand new book out.

00:18:10.000 It's called Discrimination and Disparities.

00:18:12.000 I had the pleasure of reading it over the last couple of weeks.

00:18:14.000 I've actually referenced it at least twice on the show since I read it.

00:18:17.000 I think it's quite brilliant.

00:18:18.000 Professor Sowell, thanks so much for joining us.

00:18:20.000 Thank you for having me.

00:18:22.000 So let me start with what I think is the most important part of the book.

00:18:25.000 You make an argument with regard to the definition of discrimination, because people tend to lump all sorts of discrimination together.

00:18:32.000 You talk about Discrimination 1, 1B, and Discrimination 2.

00:18:36.000 Can you just explain what those are and what the difference is between them?

00:18:39.000 Yes.

00:18:40.000 Discrimination 1 is used in the sense of people who have discriminating tastes, meaning that they are very good at comparing things and making decisions accordingly.

00:18:50.000 Discrimination, too, means almost the opposite, namely that once you've identified someone's identity, then that person's individual qualities don't matter.

00:19:00.000 You will treat them negatively on the basis of that.

00:19:04.000 And it's discrimination, too, that anti-discrimination laws have been passed to deal with.

00:19:10.000 And discrimination 1B is a different type of discrimination that you discuss as well.

00:19:14.000 This would be the use of group data in order to make individual decisions in the absence of individual information.

00:19:19.000 Is that right?

00:19:19.000 That's right.

00:19:21.000 Discrimination 1A would be judging each person as an individual.

00:19:25.000 1B would be judging individuals by the group that they come from.

00:19:30.000 In the absence of information that would have a prohibitive cost.

00:20:00.000 Yes, and in fact, black taxidrivers do that. 0.99

00:20:03.000 Justice White taxidrivers do.

00:20:05.000 So, Professor Sowell, one of the things that's great about the book, and I think the most important thing, is that you point out that just because there are disparities between racial groups, which is, of course, the most important thing people talk about in the country, that doesn't necessarily mean that there's some sort of vicious discrimination going on.

00:20:18.000 There could be an informational-based discrimination 1B going on.

00:20:21.000 There could be a behavioral discrimination type 1 going on.

00:20:25.000 How is it that we should approach separating out the types of discrimination that are

00:20:30.000 Really insidious from the other types of discrimination when we just see a headline in the newspaper that says black folks have fewer homes than white folks or black folks are committing more crimes than white folks, for example.

00:20:40.000 Well, I think that the crucial implicit assumption is that in the absence of discrimination and in the absence of any genetic differences, that people would be more or less randomly or equally spread out.

00:20:54.000 And therefore, there wouldn't be these differences.

00:20:56.000 And point of fact, there are innumerable differences

00:20:59.000 One of the simplest ones that gets ignored all the time is that groups have different ages.

00:21:05.000 That is, the Japanese Americans have a median age that is 20 years older than the median age of Mexican Americans.

00:21:13.000 And so if you're talking about jobs that require, you know, either long years of education or 10 years of experience or something like that, then just the demographic differences means you have no chance from the outset, even if

00:21:27.000 Japanese Americans and Mexican Americans were absolutely identical in every other aspect.

00:21:32.000 And one of the things that this makes clear, your discussion of this discrimination, your book Discrimination and Disparities and the Differences Between Groups, one of the things this makes clear is that virtually all government programs that are directed at direct redistribution between groups are probably bound to fail because they're not taking into account the real reasons for the disparities in the first place.

00:21:49.000 That's very true.

00:22:05.000 I haven't had a chance to look at it, but I see no reason, whatever, that one should expect boys and girls to behave the same.

00:22:39.000 Again, the book is Discrimination and Disparities.

00:22:47.000 Professor Saul, thanks so much for taking the time.

00:22:49.000 I really do appreciate it.

00:22:50.000 It's always a pleasure to have you.

00:22:51.000 It's always an honor.

00:22:52.000 And we always appreciate that you take the time to be on the program.

00:22:54.000 Well, thank you.

00:22:55.000 Thanks so much.

00:22:56.000 Well, in just a second, we are going to get to some other issues with regard to how the left is utilizing power in order to keep conservatives out of media.

00:23:03.000 I haven't really discussed in depth the Kevin Williamson issue over at The Atlantic.

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00:25:25.000 Alright, so...

00:25:27.000 If the Laura Ingraham boycott is really more about politics than it is about decency or civility, which clearly it is.

00:25:34.000 I mean, obviously this is about... It's not about decency.

00:25:36.000 It's not about civility.

00:25:37.000 If it were, then everybody would be saying, okay, Laura shouldn't have said what she said, and David Hogg should not be saying what he says.

00:25:42.000 And by the way, other folks should not be saying what they say.

00:25:44.000 So I want to show you some video of an actor who is attacking Laura Ingraham.

00:25:49.000 This guy is... I'm trying to remember his name.

00:25:52.000 This is...

00:25:55.000 Michael Rappaport.

00:25:56.000 So you've seen him in various TV shows.

00:25:59.000 He's one of those guys where you just recognize his face.

00:26:01.000 Here he goes attacking Laura Ingraham.

00:26:02.000 Is he going to lose a single job for attacking a woman like this?

00:26:04.000 Of course not.

00:26:05.000 Here's Michael Rappaport.

00:26:07.000 Laura Ingraham.

00:26:08.000 The Fox News reporter. 1.00

00:26:10.000 You filthy pig. 1.00

00:26:12.000 You dog-faced animal. 1.00

00:26:13.000 Remember Laura Ingraham just a year ago at the Republican National Convention throwing up the Nazi salute? 0.99

00:26:20.000 Look at this.

00:26:21.000 Check this out.

00:26:21.000 Look, look at the Aryan pinup girl.

00:26:24.000 And now Laura Ingraham, this savage, this dog, this mutt. 0.97

00:26:28.000 And this has nothing to do with her looks. 0.63

00:26:31.000 It has to do with her behavior, the things that she exudes. 1.00

00:26:34.000 She's a sweaty pig. 1.00

00:26:35.000 She's going after this high school student. 1.00

00:26:38.000 OK, so this guy, again, was this about civility or decency?

00:26:40.000 I miss the part where this is about civility and decency.

00:26:42.000 Because supposedly what Laura's great sin was was not being civil to these kids, right? 1.00

00:26:46.000 Not being decent to these kids.

00:26:47.000 But this has never been about civility or decency.

00:26:49.000 This has always been about power and the use of power in order to shut down opposing points of view.

00:26:53.000 People don't like what Laura had to say.

00:26:54.000 And so they're attacking Laura's business.

00:26:56.000 That's what they are doing right now.

00:26:58.000 And it really is pretty gross, especially after she apologized.

00:27:01.000 But.

00:27:02.000 That's not unusual because what the left is also trying to do is say that Kevin Williamson can't work at the Atlantic.

00:27:06.000 So Kevin Williamson is very conservative.

00:27:09.000 He's libertarian in orientation.

00:27:11.000 He was also extraordinarily anti-Trump, like more anti-Trump than anyone else probably on the right.

00:27:16.000 And the Atlantic decided to hire him away from National Review.

00:27:19.000 And so what the left did is they dug through all the millions of words that he'd written, and they found something they didn't like, and they said he should not be allowed to write for our publications because that would just be terrible.

00:27:27.000 There are two op-eds out today about Kevin Williamson and The Atlantic from leftists saying, here's why Kevin Williamson should not be allowed to write for us.

00:27:34.000 Now, the only people that the left will accept writing for them

00:27:36.000 are people who openly disagree with large planks of the Republican platform and the conservative platform at this point.

00:27:41.000 First of all, if you voted for Trump, forget it.

00:27:43.000 You will never work for a mainstream publication.

00:27:45.000 It's just not going to happen.

00:27:46.000 Even the supposedly conservative people who work for the mainstream publications are conservatives who do not, who did not vote for Trump.

00:27:53.000 Right, those people are welcomed into particular circles in the mainstream media specifically because they didn't, right?

00:27:58.000 Bret Stephens can write for the Wall Street Journal and then move over to the New York Times.

00:28:01.000 The New York Times says it's okay for him to be over there because he didn't vote for Trump, obviously.

00:28:05.000 Even Bret Stephens was ripped up and down for being too conservative.

00:28:08.000 So they're doing the same thing to Kevin Williamson over at the Atlantic, even though he's the biggest Trump critic in the world.

00:28:13.000 Michelle Goldberg, who writes for the New York Times, even though she's egregiously awful. 0.99

00:28:16.000 I mean, all of her columns are just sheer garbage. 0.99

00:28:19.000 Here's what she writes. 0.98

00:28:29.000 Thus, I've occasionally read Kevin Williamson, a truly vicious but sometimes bracing writer, when he was at National Review.

00:28:34.000 Where his words resonated with me, it would make me aware of hidden currents of cruelty in my own thinking.

00:28:38.000 I grew up in a conservative Rust Belt suburb and hated it, and I loathe populist sanctimony that treats my stultifying hometown as more authentically American than the vibrant city I escaped to.

00:28:46.000 So I feel a guilty shudder of satisfaction reading Williamson's vituperative 2016 attack on the dysfunctional small towns that supported Donald Trump.

00:28:53.000 The way Williamson's contempt spoke to me made me think about how my fury over Trump's rise and my devotion to cosmopolitanism was curdling into the very elitism people like me are constantly accused of.

00:29:02.000 The ability to prompt such uncomfortable self-recognition is a good quality and a polemicist.

00:29:06.000 So I almost understand why the Atlantic Magazine, seeking to add a provocative right-wing voice to its roster, recently hired Williamson.

00:29:13.000 Okay, so in other words, she likes Williamson because she realizes that Williamson is evil, and when she reads Williamson and agrees with him, it's because she was realizing her own evil.

00:29:21.000 Great way to start a piece there, Michelle.

00:29:23.000 Yeah, you're obviously very into ideological diversity at the Atlantic.

00:29:27.000 And then she goes on and describes why it is that Williamson shouldn't be allowed to work for the Atlantic.

00:29:33.000 She says it's just terrible.

00:29:34.000 They've done the same thing now to Barry Weiss at the New York Times.

00:29:37.000 They've done the same thing to various other conservatives who've been hired by mainstream publications.

00:29:42.000 It's just absurd.

00:29:45.000 It's just absurd.

00:29:45.000 And there's another piece in the Huffington Post that is called, Bad Ideas Aren't Worth Debating, with a giant picture, of course, of Kevin Williamson, and talking about how nobody who has ever had a bad idea should ever be allowed to write for an institution like the Atlantic.

00:29:58.000 Now listen, if the Atlantic wants to be left-wing national review, that's fine.

00:30:01.000 But the Atlantic is trying not to do that.

00:30:03.000 They are purporting to be an in-house place for a variety of opinion, for various modes of debate.

00:30:12.000 Listen, I'm not hiring anybody on the left over at Daily Wire, but we're very clear about that.

00:30:16.000 It's ideological.

00:30:18.000 Because it's ideological.

00:30:20.000 Like, I'm not gonna hire Ta-Nehisi Coates over here at the Daily Wire, number one, because I can't afford him, but number two, because I disagree with him.

00:30:25.000 But the Atlantic is saying that they want a wide variety of opinion.

00:30:29.000 The folks on the left don't want a wide variety of opinion.

00:30:31.000 The folks on the left want no variety of opinion.

00:30:34.000 Their goal is to have no opinion variety at all.

00:30:37.000 That is the point.

00:30:38.000 And that is why they don't want Kevin Williamson involved in any of this.

00:30:42.000 That is the entire goal here.

00:30:43.000 The entire goal here is to have no conservatives involved at all.

00:30:46.000 Okay, I'm gonna get to the mailbag in just a second.

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00:33:52.000 Well, I'm excited enough about my White Sox this year that I actually went out and got a subscription to MLB TV and I watched their opening day game in the background while I did my work.

00:34:02.000 They had six home runs yesterday.

00:34:04.000 Matt Davidson had three in one game, which is just awesome.

00:34:07.000 Realistically?

00:34:08.000 Maybe an outside shot at the wild card?

00:34:10.000 Maybe.

00:34:11.000 I think maybe 80-85 wins?

00:34:12.000 You know, maybe they get 87 wins?

00:34:14.000 Something like that?

00:34:15.000 That's if everything goes right.

00:34:16.000 If everything goes wrong, then in two years they'll win the World Series, because they have a really good young core.

00:34:20.000 They have a bunch of players who are coming up from the minors.

00:34:22.000 Look, they're a team that's probably two years away, but teams that have been two years away have outperformed before.

00:34:27.000 Look at the Houston Astros, who weren't really expected to win anything until maybe a couple of years from now, although Sports Illustrated had it right on the money.

00:34:32.000 Tyler says, how do you atone for sins in Judaism? 0.60

00:34:35.000 Big fan.

00:34:35.000 So, okay, so here's how you atone for sins in Judaism.

00:34:38.000 You atone.

00:34:39.000 Really, I mean, we have like an entire day for it.

00:34:41.000 It's called Yom Kippur, where we spend the entire day fasting and praying to God to atone.

00:34:46.000 Now, if you sin between yourself and another human being, you have to ask

00:34:50.000 Those other human beings for forgiveness.

00:34:52.000 And you have to ask them three separate times, at least, before God can even consider whether he ought to forgive you.

00:34:57.000 You ask for forgiveness every day, three times a day in Judaism. 0.70

00:35:00.000 So, you know, before I come into the show, I dive into what's called Shacharis.

00:35:03.000 Shacharis is the morning service.

00:35:04.000 And in that service, there's an entire paragraph in what's called the Silent Amidah.

00:35:08.000 There's part of the service that's silent.

00:35:10.000 You stand there and you're talking directly to God.

00:35:12.000 It's kind of the most intimate part of the service.

00:35:13.000 And there's part called Selach Lanu, right?

00:35:15.000 It's all about God forgiving us.

00:35:17.000 We do that three times a day.

00:35:18.000 So Judaism is all about the forgiveness.

00:35:20.000 And the way you are forgiven is you have to also commit to not make the same mistake again.

00:35:24.000 So it's not enough to just say, Christianity is the same way as I understand it.

00:35:27.000 It's not enough to say, I'm sorry for that bad thing that I did.

00:35:30.000 You also have to say, I understand my sin.

00:35:32.000 I'm not going to do that again in order for God to consider it.

00:35:35.000 I think that the possibility of a primary against a sitting U.S.

00:35:45.000 president is very, very risky for the party.

00:35:48.000 I think that it probably tears the party apart.

00:35:50.000 I don't see any of those people beating Trump in a primary.

00:35:52.000 I think they know that, which is why they're not going to try it.

00:35:54.000 But a lot can happen between now and 2020.

00:35:56.000 If Trump turns out to be a total disaster, if things really go to hell in a handbasket,

00:36:00.000 Then maybe you could see a real primary.

00:36:01.000 I mean, you saw that in 1968 among Democrats between LBJ and Eugene McCarthy and various other folks.

00:36:08.000 So you could see something like that, right?

00:36:11.000 That's why RFK was expected to be the nominee in 1968 after LBJ bowed out.

00:36:16.000 But, Trump would have to be a lot worse than he's been.

00:36:18.000 If he just governs like he has so far, there's not going to be any primary.

00:36:20.000 So, number one, the idea here is that when the government arrests you, the government has now placed an onus on you to go to court.

00:36:25.000 The government does not place an onus on you to get healthcare.

00:36:26.000 That is your decision.

00:36:41.000 It's not your decision whether you go to court.

00:36:42.000 It is your decision whether you're going to get health care, and it should be on your dime whether you get health care.

00:36:47.000 Now, there is some significant argument in legal history in the United States as to whether right to counsel means that I have to provide you counsel.

00:36:54.000 In my opinion, it probably doesn't.

00:36:55.000 It probably means that I have the right to hire a counsel, right?

00:36:58.000 The public expense doesn't require that we go out and hire you a counsel.

00:37:00.000 But, you know, if we are going to hire you a counsel, the reason for that is because we have put you in the system, not through any willpower of your own.

00:37:07.000 And that means we at least have to provide you with enough of a defense that you can defend yourself.

00:37:10.000 That's not the same thing as health care, where it is up to you whether you want a doctor or not.

00:37:15.000 Well, and then this letter continues.

00:37:17.000 It says, Yes.

00:37:17.000 I mean, it depends on the level of the contagion.

00:37:19.000 But yes, this is why I'm in favor of mandatory vaccination. 0.74

00:37:20.000 Actually, it's one of the areas where I have significant differences with some more libertarian minded folks in the Republican Party, because vaccinations do have externalities.

00:37:39.000 Libertarians don't suggest that you can't regulate for externalities, by the way.

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00:38:15.000 Well, I can't believe that I wrested the title away from Clavin.

00:38:20.000 I said that Woodrow Wilson was one of them, probably.

00:38:28.000 James Buchanan, obviously, up there.

00:38:30.000 LBJ is up there.

00:38:32.000 Woodrow Wilson was seriously damaging because he completely shifted the way that people thought about the workings of American government.

00:38:38.000 So before Woodrow Wilson,

00:38:39.000 American government had been based on foundational principles like eternal, immutable rights protected by limited government.

00:38:44.000 That's what America was about.

00:38:47.000 Woodrow Wilson, based on the thoughts of German progressivism.

00:38:50.000 I'm literally writing about Woodrow Wilson this week in my book.

00:38:52.000 Woodrow Wilson thought completely differently.

00:38:54.000 He thought that the Declaration was antiquated.

00:38:56.000 There was no such thing as an immutable right, as an unalienable right.

00:38:59.000 Instead, there were just wise men in the bureaucracy who could decide for you how to live, right?

00:39:04.000 And that the president ought to be as big a man as possible.

00:39:06.000 It's a direct quote from Woodrow Wilson in order to sort of

00:39:10.000 Embody the general will this Rousseau in general will that unfortunately has become the way the government is done Okay, the idea of foundational limited government that protects your immutable rights that has gone by the wayside and the idea of a bureaucratic regime run by the wisest and best among us has taken hold among entirely the Democratic Party and probably large swaths of the Republican Party as well is really damaging that way also

00:39:34.000 His intervention in World War I was late, or he shouldn't have done it.

00:39:39.000 But in any case, there are questions about when we should have intervened in World War I. Let's put it at that.

00:39:45.000 And the way that he used World War I as a club to club his political opponents into submission is pretty incredible.

00:39:51.000 Go read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg.

00:39:53.000 He talks at length.

00:39:54.000 About the fact that Woodrow Wilson came very close to being the first fascist president in the history of the United States.

00:39:58.000 John says, Ben, do you still have time to play the violin?

00:40:00.000 The answer is lately, no, because I've been traveling so much.

00:40:02.000 But I did get myself an amazing violin.

00:40:05.000 So I don't spend a lot of money.

00:40:06.000 I'm pretty frugal.

00:40:07.000 But I went out and I splurged and I got myself a really, really nice violin.

00:40:11.000 And this thing is magnificent.

00:40:12.000 And I have a nice piano in my house, a grand piano.

00:40:15.000 My dad plays piano.

00:40:16.000 So he comes over and we play Brahms together.

00:40:17.000 So the answer is yes, still one of my dreams.

00:40:19.000 We're trying to make it happen.

00:40:20.000 I want to play Brahms with Condoleezza Rice.

00:40:21.000 I just think this would be an amazing life experience.

00:40:23.000 I'd love to interview her too, but I'd be more interested in playing Brahms because she's a really good pianist and I'm a pretty good violinist.

00:40:29.000 Blake says, hi Ben!

00:40:30.000 What are your thoughts on Crowder's impression of you?

00:40:32.000 Well, I think that Crowder makes me out to be a little less personable than I am in his impression.

00:40:38.000 Let's put it that way.

00:40:41.000 His impression is sort of on the autism spectrum.

00:40:43.000 Is that fair, Mathis?

00:40:44.000 Yeah.

00:40:45.000 I think that's sort of what he does.

00:40:47.000 But I get a kick out of it.

00:40:49.000 I think that Crowder is hysterical.

00:40:51.000 And I think when he makes fun of me and does all of his parodies,

00:40:54.000 Yeah, Crowder's really nice about this.

00:40:56.000 He always lets me know that he's going to do these parodies beforehand, and gets my permission so that he's not saying anything that I would find offensive.

00:41:02.000 And invariably, I would say, do whatever you want, dude.

00:41:04.000 I trust you.

00:41:04.000 You're really funny.

00:41:05.000 I thought you were going to say comic books of all time, which we can do another time.

00:41:07.000 Top three comic book movies of all time.

00:41:15.000 Well, I mean, all three of the Batman movies, all three of the Nolan movies, but others that are in the mix.

00:41:21.000 I really liked the original Superman.

00:41:24.000 X-Men First Class is really excellent.

00:41:27.000 I'm trying to remember some of the others that are good.

00:41:30.000 I think some people put Logan up near the top.

00:41:32.000 I did like Logan, but I like the first two thirds of it a lot.

00:41:34.000 I thought the last third of it sort of fell apart.

00:41:38.000 Hmm.

00:41:39.000 There's so many of them now, it's hard for me to come up with my list.

00:41:41.000 I actually did come up with a list at one point.

00:41:43.000 I'll have to look it up, but I believe that that was something close to the list.

00:41:47.000 And by the way, I like Black Panther a lot.

00:41:48.000 I mean, I told you that.

00:41:49.000 I didn't like the politics of it, but I thought it was really well made and compelling.

00:41:52.000 Bailey says, what is your favorite part of Passover?

00:41:53.000 Mine is always tricking the kids into eating lots of horseradish.

00:41:56.000 Chag Sameach!

00:41:56.000 That's pretty brutal, my friend.

00:41:58.000 You know, you're tricking kids into eating it. 0.99

00:41:59.000 If you've ever eaten raw horseradish, that sucker burns.

00:42:02.000 The favorite part of Passover, the whole thing is great for kids.

00:42:04.000 It's designed for kids because the whole thing is, how do you teach children?

00:42:07.000 And the way that you teach children is through ritual and questioning.

00:42:10.000 So this morning, we burned the hamed. 1.00

00:42:12.000 So this is one of the Jewish rituals where you do a ceremonial thing.

00:42:15.000 You clean out your entire house so you don't have any more leaven.

00:42:18.000 Right?

00:42:18.000 On Passover, because when the Jews left Egypt, they didn't have time to let the bread rise, and it was matzah.

00:42:23.000 And so, they just left matzah.

00:42:25.000 That's why we eat matzah on Passover.

00:42:26.000 That's the story.

00:42:27.000 So, what we do is we clean our house of all leaven, and then we take the night before, we do kind of a final check of the house for leaven, and then we burn it the next morning to signify that we've done, we've completed the task.

00:42:39.000 So this morning, my kids were very into that.

00:42:41.000 We took them out into the side of the house, and we burned the oven.

00:42:45.000 It was a nice big fire, and they were totally into the fire.

00:42:48.000 My son is just getting to speak full sentences, and I think his first full sentence came out this morning, and it was something like,

00:42:56.000 And I thought, oh, that's not great.

00:42:59.000 But my son is very into the ritual.

00:43:01.000 Judaism is very much about ritual. 0.99

00:43:02.000 It's one of the things I like about Judaism.

00:43:04.000 I think that religion, sans ritual, actually, it's hard to train people to be better people without ritual, right?

00:43:10.000 Aristotle says this, and Judaism takes it to its extreme, I think. 0.98

00:43:13.000 I think that the ritual is great.

00:43:15.000 Obviously, the Haggadah, the retelling of the Passover story, is very much based on having kids ask questions.

00:43:21.000 Right, the four questions that are asked to Mani, Shanaha, Lailaha, that whole thing that you may have heard of before.

00:43:26.000 My four-year-old daughter is going to sing that tonight.

00:43:28.000 It's really cool.

00:43:29.000 Well, it depends in which kind of mode you're talking.

00:43:35.000 In terms of foreign policy, they were probably equivalently conservative.

00:43:39.000 Churchill hated the communists.

00:43:40.000 He hated the Nazis.

00:43:42.000 Reagan hated the communists.

00:43:43.000 In terms of domestic policy, Reagan was much more conservative than Winston Churchill because America is much more conservative generally than Great Britain.

00:43:50.000 Let's see, Dylan says, What is the legal argument for allowing certain religious groups to defy the law while disallowing it for others?

00:43:55.000 I'm in favor of religious liberties, but if we allow one group to go against a law, what is stopping another group from citing that case as a reason to do whatever they want to do?

00:44:03.000 I.e., the case of the Little Sisters of the Poor fighting Obamacare birth control rules, and then another group wanting to hold group marriages and or child marriages.

00:44:10.000 These are just examples, maybe you have better ones for a more apt comparison.

00:44:12.000 So, this is a serious question.

00:44:14.000 It's one of the reasons why I actually believe that religious liberty is protected by broader liberty.

00:44:19.000 So, to take an example, right now there are a lot of people who are talking about the fact that you're... Here's a perfect example of what you're talking about that people are asking about.

00:44:26.000 So, you say a religious bakery doesn't have to cater to a same-sex wedding or doesn't have to serve gay people or something.

00:44:32.000 So, based on religious exceptions. 0.70

00:44:35.000 OK, but what if that person wanted to what wasn't religious and they just wanted to turn down service to a black person?

00:44:40.000 So my feeling is you can turn down service to whomever you want.

00:44:42.000 This is not a religious question.

00:44:43.000 It's a liberty question, right?

00:44:45.000 Religious liberty is protected not because we have to have specific carve outs, but because the government should be so small and so non intrusive that religious people should be allowed to live their lives just like secular people.

00:44:54.000 I don't think that the Constitution was designed to discriminate in favor of exceptions for religious people over secular people.

00:44:59.000 I think the Constitution was designed to protect against encroachments on liberty by the government against anyone, religious or secular.

00:45:06.000 The smaller the government, the less the chance that the government is actually going to encroach on liberty.

00:45:09.000 So what I would say is freedom of association is the issue with regard to Christian bakers, not freedom of religion. 0.91

00:45:15.000 I've said this many times on the program.

00:45:17.000 OK, Nathaniel says, Ben, regarding the Second Amendment, by the way, just a quick note on that.

00:45:21.000 This does not mean that I think every aspect of discrimination is good.

00:45:24.000 I think much discrimination is totally morally wrong.

00:45:28.000 That doesn't mean the government gets to crack down on it.

00:45:29.000 We all discriminate in our lives in various ways, good and bad.

00:45:32.000 I'm not sure that it's the government's role to determine how I run my business with regard to my clientele, especially because the market tends to take care of me if I am too discriminatory and too awful.

00:45:41.000 Nathaniel says, Ben, regarding the Second Amendment, I find it concerning that U.S.

00:45:44.000 citizens aren't allowed more freedom in their choice of guns for protection.

00:45:47.000 For example, how could a well-armed militia defend its nation against a tyrannical government that used weapons of mass destruction if the citizens only have AR?

00:45:53.000 So this is a question that's very often asked by the left, saying, well, if you say that the purpose of the Second Amendment was to protect against government tyranny, shouldn't everybody have a tank?

00:46:00.000 Shouldn't everybody have an F-16?

00:46:01.000 Shouldn't everybody have a gun?

00:46:03.000 No.

00:46:03.000 OK, the idea here is that you need the weaponry that is sufficient to deter government tyranny.

00:46:08.000 And if it came down to it, by the way, small arms are a capable deterrent against even the most major weaponry, because if the if the if the United States government has to legitimately nuke the state of Texas, that war is never happening.

00:46:22.000 It's just not happening.

00:46:23.000 So there's that.

00:46:24.000 Also, the militia, the Texas State National Guard, I believe probably would have access to nuclear weapons.

00:46:28.000 So there's that as well.

00:46:29.000 But as far as private ownership of firearms,

00:46:32.000 The point of private ownership of firearms is to deter potential conflicts, just like the point of having nuclear arsenals that you never have to use it.

00:46:38.000 Here's what you should say.

00:46:39.000 You should say, OK, fine.

00:46:40.000 How about we look to Europe for guidance on abortion?

00:46:55.000 America has significantly less restrictive abortion laws than much of Europe.

00:46:59.000 Abortion is banned in the second two trimesters in virtually every European country, and it's been across the board in several European countries.

00:47:05.000 So they're pretty selective about when they want to copy Europe and when they don't.

00:47:10.000 I'm not a fan of copying Europe, because I think Europe has gotten it all wrong for a fair bit of time.

00:47:14.000 I think that the last century and a half should show us that Europe is not worth imitating.

00:47:18.000 I'd like my son to be introduced to Christianity for those reasons, and I'm considering going back to church, but I don't want to be a non-believing interloper. 1.00

00:47:23.000 Yes.

00:47:35.000 I think you should.

00:47:36.000 I think you should absolutely take your son to church.

00:47:38.000 I think social fabric is important.

00:47:39.000 I think teaching your son is important.

00:47:40.000 Now, I think that you should decide what you want to teach your kid.

00:47:45.000 I would not teach my kid agnosticism because I think that agnosticism is the idea that you don't know whether God is there is something even religious people feel, right?

00:47:52.000 Religious people wonder whether God is there and knows what he's doing. 0.99

00:47:56.000 But you have to decide what you want to teach your kid.

00:47:58.000 Don't confuse your kid.

00:47:59.000 Don't bring him to church and then take him home and say, everything you're learning in church is bunk, but I like the social programs.

00:48:04.000 Figure out what you want to teach your kid and then live along those lines.

00:48:06.000 But I think that church is the number one social fabric builder in the United States.

00:48:10.000 And the fact that we've lost that social fabric is contributing to serious problems among individuals and communities as well.

00:48:18.000 OK, so now time for a couple of things that I like and a couple of things that I hate.

00:48:24.000 So things that I like.

00:48:27.000 Let's let's do that.

00:48:28.000 So a couple.

00:48:29.000 Number one, I want to recommend Dennis Prager's new book that comes out on Monday.

00:48:33.000 We're going to do an interview this week.

00:48:34.000 We just ran out of time.

00:48:34.000 I want to do a full hour interview with Dennis about his new book.

00:48:37.000 His new book is a commentary on the Bible.

00:48:41.000 And it's really fabulous.

00:48:42.000 It's called Exodus, God, Slavery, and Freedom, and it's the Rational Bible.

00:48:47.000 It's an amazing thing that Dennis got this done.

00:48:48.000 He literally takes Exodus verse by verse, and then he breaks down what he thinks is the logic and the reason behind it.

00:48:55.000 I have some arguments with Dennis on some of this stuff, but it's really deeply researched.

00:48:58.000 It's really well done, and it's worth reading.

00:49:00.000 You should put it by your bed stand, and you should read a little bit every night.

00:49:02.000 It'll make you a better person.

00:49:04.000 Dennis is a really profound thinker, and he's writing about the greatest document in the history of civilization, so this is well worth getting.

00:49:09.000 Go pre-buy it now, and you'll get it in the middle of Passover if you're Jewish, and just after Easter if you're not.

00:49:14.000 So Dennis Prager, or if you're not Christian, then you'll get it in the middle of your regular week. 0.96

00:49:19.000 Dennis Prager says it's, again, the name of the book is Exodus, God, Slavery, and Freedom.

00:49:23.000 Go check it out on Amazon.

00:49:24.000 Okay, other things that I like.

00:49:27.000 Since tonight begins the holiday of Passover, I think that now is a good time to use the best Exodus music ever.

00:49:34.000 No, it's not from The Prince of Egypt, although there's some really good numbers in The Prince of Egypt.

00:49:37.000 Maybe we'll have to play one next week.

00:49:39.000 I think next Monday I'll do some Prince of Egypt.

00:49:41.000 Particularly the opening number, Deliver Us, is fantastic in Prince of Egypt.

00:49:44.000 But we'll start the Exodus feel with the actual theme music from the movie Exodus.

00:49:50.000 The movie isn't that great, but the theme music's fantastic.

00:49:52.000 And here's what the theme to the movie Exodus sounds like.

00:49:57.000 Let's go.

00:50:42.000 I don't know.

00:50:46.000 This is by Ernest Gold.

00:50:47.000 It's a beautiful theme.

00:50:48.000 The movie, of course, is not actually about the biblical exodus.

00:50:52.000 It's about the formation of the state of Israel based on the Leon Uris novel of the same name, which is a really good novel.

00:50:57.000 So check that out.

00:50:58.000 Check out the novel rather than the movie, because the novel is much better.

00:51:02.000 And the obvious connections between Passover and the foundation of the state of Israel are clear and obvious.

00:51:07.000 I mean, the Seder finishes with us shouting, next year in Jerusalem, the reason being the long time

00:51:13.000 Hope of the Jewish people has always been a Jewish state in Jerusalem, and that has not changed throughout history.

00:51:20.000 That is the biblical hope always, right? 0.88

00:51:21.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate.

00:51:28.000 So, everybody's been praising Roseanne.

00:51:30.000 That's all fine and good.

00:51:30.000 I critiqued Roseanne a little bit earlier this week.

00:51:32.000 But I just wanted to point out that if people really believe that the folks who make Roseanne, the folks in Hollywood, have suddenly warmed and are being nice to Trump supporters, that's a bunch of nonsense.

00:51:41.000 Here's one of Roseanne's stars talking about why people voted Trump.

00:51:44.000 It is not nice.

00:51:45.000 Can't understand it.

00:51:47.000 Don't know where it comes from.

00:51:48.000 Other than, you know, being—I think it's a couple of issues.

00:51:52.000 It's being either under the thumb of your husband, or it's—for the election, it was being so offended by Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton's legacy that you turned on her, or feeling inadequate, feeling like, how can somebody be so educated?

00:52:09.000 How could somebody have brought themselves up from their own experience and

00:52:15.000 You know, gone to the top, educated herself, fought for, you know, for rights, civil rights and equality. 0.83

00:52:23.000 And I think that's threatening to a lot of women. 1.00

00:52:25.000 OK, this is just absurd.

00:52:27.000 The idea that women are jealous of Hillary Clinton.

00:52:29.000 I promise you, there's not a married woman in America who's jealous of Hillary Clinton's marriage.

00:52:33.000 That's not the way that works.

00:52:34.000 But again, just the idea that Hollywood has suddenly warmed to Trump supporters is a bunch of nonsense.

00:52:39.000 That's Andrew Bernhardt, of course.

00:52:40.000 He's a wild lefty. 0.96

00:52:41.000 OK, other things that I hate.

00:52:43.000 They're releasing Chappaquiddick, okay?

00:52:44.000 This movie I've already seen.

00:52:45.000 It is phenomenal.

00:52:46.000 It's a very, very good movie.

00:52:47.000 And it is not conspiratorial in any way.

00:52:49.000 It's a straight retelling of what happened at Chappaquiddick with Ted Kennedy.

00:52:53.000 It's an amazing thing that this thing got made in the first place.

00:52:55.000 But there's a story from Variety saying that...

00:52:58.000 We're good to go.

00:53:16.000 This is true about this movie.

00:53:17.000 This movie is not political.

00:53:18.000 This is not a rip on Ted Kennedy, okay? 0.99

00:53:19.000 It actually makes Ted Kennedy look somewhat sympathetic, even though Ted Kennedy acted like just an enormous piece of garbage. 0.91

00:53:24.000 But it doesn't go over the rails either. 0.90

00:53:26.000 It doesn't make him out to be an innocent.

00:53:28.000 It does show that he was manipulative and being manipulated.

00:53:31.000 It shows that he was... But it does not paint him in a completely unflattering light.

00:53:36.000 There's a lot to this movie.

00:53:37.000 I'm going to save my full analysis of the movie for next week.

00:53:39.000 I got to see a screener of it.

00:53:41.000 It's really, really well made.

00:53:42.000 It's really well made.

00:53:43.000 And they're very careful to only stick with the facts.

00:53:45.000 Because after watching the movie, I thought, well, they didn't include this and this and this.

00:53:48.000 And then I looked back and I looked at the evidence.

00:53:50.000 I said, well, they didn't include that because it was a rumor.

00:53:51.000 They didn't include rumors, right?

00:53:52.000 Like all the stuff about him having an affair with Mary Jo.

00:53:54.000 There's no proof of that, so that's not in the movie.

00:53:56.000 What it does show is him leaving Mary Jo there to drown, right?

00:53:59.000 So there's a lot to the movie.

00:54:02.000 The fact that Hollywood wanted to shut it down.

00:54:03.000 Again, Hollywood is a lefty town.

00:54:05.000 Do not trust them to tell conservative stories without resistance, certainly.

00:54:09.000 And this is not a conservative story.

00:54:10.000 It's much more an objective take on what happened with Kennedy.

00:54:13.000 It's just amazing that it took, what, that happened in 69?

00:54:16.000 So it took them 40, 49 years to do that?

00:54:21.000 All it took was half a century for them to get around to one of the worst political scandals in the history of the United States.

00:54:25.000 Well done, Hollywood.

00:54:26.000 All right, so we'll be back here next week, and we'll be doing so.

00:54:31.000 We're excited to launch the podcast on a bunch of radio stations, so tell your parents to look out for it, or to listen to it on radio as well.

00:54:37.000 We are the largest conservative podcast in the nation, and now we're bringing it to radio.

00:54:41.000 Very excited about that.

00:54:42.000 Have a wonderful weekend.

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Conservatives Not Welcome | Ep. 507

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