The Ben Shapiro Show - October 20, 2026


Dancing With the Stars' Just Lost Its Mind

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00:00:00.000 I have been told by producer Savvy that I must, must discuss a controversy that is now broken out on Dancing with the Stars.
00:00:07.000 I know.
00:00:08.000 You're saying to yourself, wait, Ben, you don't watch Dancing with the Stars.
00:00:09.000 Of course, I don't watch Dancing with the Stars.
00:00:11.000 My producer sometimes insists I cover stories.
00:00:14.000 And she also insists that I shout, Justice for Val.
00:00:19.000 So we'll just say that.
00:00:20.000 Don't know who Val is, but we'll talk about it.
00:00:23.000 So Val Schmurkowski has been essentially banned from participating in an episode of Dancing with the Stars.
00:00:31.000 That is one of the dancing stars, apparently.
00:00:33.000 And this person was paired up with actress Jenna Dewan.
00:00:37.000 Dewan.
00:00:38.000 I don't know who these people are. 0.94
00:00:39.000 Why would I possibly care?
00:00:40.000 Jenna Dewan.
00:00:41.000 Fine, guys. 1.00
00:00:42.000 All the lady producers in there are just screaming at me. 1.00
00:00:45.000 They're so much more passionate about me mispronouncing Jenna Dewan than they are about the incipient destruction of Western civilization.
00:00:51.000 So that's a picture of Val Schmarkowski.
00:01:01.000 Schmierkowski, Schmierkowski, and Jenna Dewan.
00:01:07.000 Okay.
00:01:08.000 What happened?
00:01:09.000 Well, apparently, Schmierkowski found himself in hot water last week when he posted a status on TikTok that appeared to reference Will Smith's notorious altercation with Chris Rock at the 2022 Oscars.
00:01:20.000 So the pro was reacting to the harsh critique Judge Carrie Ann something in ABBA gave his wife, fellow pro Jenna Johnson.
00:01:31.000 So apparently, his wife is also on the show.
00:01:32.000 She's a pro.
00:01:33.000 And the judge, Carrie Annanaba, never heard of her, she gave a harsh judgment to his wife.
00:01:38.000 And he said, You almost saw Fresh Prince enter the ballroom last night.
00:01:43.000 So they took that as a physical threat.
00:01:51.000 Really?
00:01:53.000 In a statement sent to NBC News, BBC Studios, which produces Dancing with the Stars, said, The well being of everyone who works on Dancing with the Stars is non negotiable.
00:02:01.000 Val's social media post was inappropriate and does not reflect the values or standards expected of anyone connected with the show.
00:02:07.000 It's a reference to Will Smith, right?
00:02:09.000 Get my wife's name out of your mouth and all that.
00:02:13.000 Schmurkowski responded by posting an apology.
00:02:15.000 He said he initially intended to defend my wife.
00:02:18.000 He said, I made a poor decision to reference a meme to keep my wife's name out of the conversation without stopping to think what else that reference could imply, right?
00:02:25.000 Because Will Smith smacked Chris Rock around.
00:02:28.000 Schmurkowski added, Carrie Ann certainly didn't deserve to get caught in the middle of my bad judgment, and I hate that she was. 0.95
00:02:33.000 So Carrie Ann Inaba. 1.00
00:02:36.000 Complained to HR, claiming she felt threatened.
00:02:40.000 Meanwhile, we should point out that Dancing with the Stars apparently has had actual criminals convicted and alleged, including Carol Baskin of Tiger at King Fame, who may have killed her still missing husband.
00:02:52.000 Many of the professional dancers, by the way, on Dancing with the Stars are a little bit right leaning.
00:02:58.000 The pros are mostly Eastern European or raised Mormon in Utah.
00:03:01.000 And this is the second time that Val has been caught in hot water.
00:03:03.000 So last week, he got cornrows ahead of Mariah Carey Knight, and people yelled at him.
00:03:08.000 How dare he do his hair like that?
00:03:10.000 That's terrible.
00:03:13.000 So, apparently, the show introduced one of the contestants, Harry Shum Jr., as a former Mariah Carey music video dancer who actually wore cornrows in her fantasy music video. 1.00
00:03:24.000 That dude is Asian. 0.88
00:03:26.000 No problem at all.
00:03:27.000 So, we have now fulfilled our obligation.
00:03:30.000 Val didn't do anything wrong.
00:03:32.000 Justice for Val.
00:03:34.000 Val must be given the Congressional Medal of Honor. 0.97
00:03:37.000 It's Shmirkovsky. 1.00
00:03:39.000 Should we practice?
00:03:40.000 Say it with me.
00:03:41.000 Say it again. 0.93
00:03:43.000 Dancing now live is Val Schmirkowski.
00:03:48.000 Okay.
00:03:49.000 Val Schmirkowski.
00:03:51.000 I'm a straight white male.
00:03:54.000 Like, I'm not sure what you guys want from me.
00:03:57.000 I have to say that there is this part of the show whenever we go over the show notes in the morning in which Sarah and Savvy decide that I must be informed on matters of deep cultural relevance that I would literally never look at for five seconds and sound like a foreign language to me.
00:04:14.000 In the same way that conservatism is a foreign language to Netflix officials and executives, if you're telling me about scandals involving dancing with the stars, this is Swahili.
00:04:25.000 I do not understand a single thing that is happening.
00:04:27.000 It needs to be explained to me like I'm a small baby.
00:04:29.000 And then maybe I will have something to say.
00:04:32.000 Even after I read the story, I'm still like, why is this a national controversy?
00:04:35.000 He tweeted something that was kind of innocuous.
00:04:37.000 And then apparently one lady got whiny.
00:04:40.000 And now it's a national blow up. 0.58
00:04:42.000 Wait, isn't she from Austin Powers? 0.73
00:04:44.000 Yes, she was one of the Austin Powers dancers.
00:04:46.000 Well, that changes everything.
00:04:48.000 Yeah.
00:04:49.000 I don't understand.
00:04:50.000 You guys throw these additional facts at me like I'm going to now care.
00:04:54.000 Was she an Austin Powers?
00:04:55.000 We'll get to more on this in a moment.
00:04:55.000 I don't know.
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00:05:55.000 Dancing with the Stars has been going on for 35 seasons, right?
00:05:58.000 35?
00:05:59.000 Yeah.
00:05:59.000 Okay, so it is a national institution.
00:06:02.000 And it's one of the only shows that people like actually text to vote in live and to vote people off in real time.
00:06:10.000 They don't do like some fake voting off thing.
00:06:12.000 It's like a real democratic process, Ben.
00:06:14.000 It's an institution of democracy.
00:06:18.000 And I will add Tucker Carlson once appeared.
00:06:21.000 Sean Spicer, love Sean, once appeared.
00:06:24.000 Oh, and this is how we know the voting's real because Sean Spicer made it way too far.
00:06:28.000 We, I guess, we just want to know, Ben, in 10 years, if you have a little free time.
00:06:35.000 Maybe even remotely.
00:06:37.000 Not even remotely.
00:06:39.000 No.
00:06:40.000 That's going to be a big no from me, dog.
00:06:42.000 Nope.
00:06:43.000 Not going to happen.
00:06:45.000 By the way, I will say I have taken some dancing classes with my wife, and we're not bad.
00:06:50.000 Yeah.
00:06:50.000 What kind of dancing classes?
00:06:52.000 Let's see.
00:06:54.000 We can do the rumble a little bit.
00:06:56.000 What?
00:06:56.000 That's literally a dance on the show.
00:06:59.000 Yes.
00:07:00.000 I mean, we took, so in our neighborhood, a bunch of couples just decided to hire a dance instructor.
00:07:05.000 And this is like a thing that we did for probably five, six months.
00:07:09.000 Once every couple of weeks, we'd all get together and we'd, you know, like get together for dinner and then we'd all go, like, have a dance lesson.
00:07:15.000 Ben.
00:07:15.000 It's just a fun thing.
00:07:16.000 You could win.
00:07:19.000 And then what would I receive?
00:07:20.000 I don't know.
00:07:21.000 A big trophy with your name on it.
00:07:23.000 That's it.
00:07:23.000 What is it called?
00:07:24.000 A mirror ball?
00:07:24.000 A mirror ball.
00:07:25.000 Yeah.
00:07:25.000 It's like a big disco ball.
00:07:26.000 I don't want to do any of this.
00:07:27.000 No, come on.
00:07:28.000 No. 1.00
00:07:28.000 Also, I don't want to dance with women who aren't my wife. 1.00
00:07:31.000 I like my wife. 1.00
00:07:31.000 Okay. 1.00
00:07:32.000 I'm not interested in dancing with women who aren't my wife. 1.00
00:07:34.000 Well, they do it as a profession. 1.00
00:07:35.000 So I've heard podcasts where the girls talk about how the men fall in love with them. 1.00
00:07:39.000 They'll make like a crude joke, thinking, oh, she likes me. 0.93
00:07:42.000 But she's like, no, sir, I'm just dancing.
00:07:43.000 Yeah.
00:07:44.000 Yes. 1.00
00:07:45.000 I mean, these are very good looking and in shape women who are all over you as you dance. 1.00
00:07:51.000 Men have lizard brains. 1.00
00:07:52.000 So, yes, that's not a thing.
00:07:54.000 Justice for Val.
00:07:56.000 Justice for Val.
00:07:57.000 All right.
00:07:59.000 All right.
00:07:59.000 So, the left, you think Woke 2.0 is just going to not exist?
00:08:04.000 Wrong.
00:08:05.000 It's coming back with a vengeance.
00:08:06.000 They're already prepping it.
00:08:07.000 L Magazine cover story Hunter Schaefer has never felt more like herself.
00:08:13.000 Well, Hunter Schaefer's a dude.
00:08:16.000 So, what actually happened?
00:08:19.000 Well, Hunter Schaefer decided to do the final snip snips.
00:08:23.000 And this is worthy of a cover story. 0.57
00:08:25.000 Quote, the softness of Schaefer's preternatural beauty as an actress belies the hard won strength of someone who began transitioning at age 14 and then three years later became the youngest plaintiff in legal challenge to North Carolina's anti trans bathroom bill.
00:08:39.000 Hunter Schaefer grew up in Raleigh, North Carolina.
00:08:41.000 Her parents are pastors.
00:08:42.000 She says Christianity gave her childhood a structure and a purpose.
00:08:45.000 She moved away from the church as a teenager and now isn't religious.
00:08:48.000 But that sense of being in service or making things for something bigger than yourself has continued to be a driving force in her life.
00:08:54.000 Now, remember, Hunter Schaefer is a dude.
00:08:57.000 But Hunter Schaefer is also a person who's had many, many surgeries and now finally got what is called bottom surgery, which is the genital mutilation.
00:09:07.000 Quote We talk about the freedom that comes from being fully embodied.
00:09:13.000 The euphemisms here are crazy.
00:09:15.000 The only way you can be fully embodied, apparently, is to legitimately mutilate your own body. 1.00
00:09:18.000 You have to get breast surgeries, hormone replacement therapy, and you have to cut off your testicles. 0.99
00:09:24.000 That is the way to, apparently, be fully embodied. 0.99
00:09:27.000 I don't know.
00:09:27.000 I have a different definition of fully embodied.
00:09:30.000 We talk about the freedom that comes from being fully embodied, says Elle Magazine, especially as a trans person who has experienced the naughty discomfort of body dysmorphia, the feeling when your outer shell doesn't match who you know yourself to be.
00:09:41.000 It's a theme explored symbolically through the concept of androids and replicants in Blade Runner.
00:09:46.000 And it's one of the reasons Schaefer signed on to the show.
00:09:48.000 Even though she'd vowed to have some downtime to paint and make art, she plays a human pretending to be a robot to survive.
00:09:54.000 But can anyone really hide their truth for so long?
00:09:57.000 So, first of all, looking forward to major studios now wrecking Blade Runner.
00:10:01.000 That's great.
00:10:03.000 Our conversation about feeling free naturally veers into our perspectives on queerness.
00:10:07.000 Me, as a non binary parent in my 40s who came out as a lesbian two and a half decades ago, and Schaefer, as a woman in her late 20s who was assigned male at birth.
00:10:16.000 I'm a woman, I'm a girl, she says.
00:10:19.000 Maybe it's a good thing to share for the tension I was talking about between these two worlds reality and ideology.
00:10:24.000 I just had bottom surgery in December, which was amazing, and I love it so much.
00:10:31.000 Mm hmm.
00:10:34.000 Again, if you think Woke ain't coming back with a vengeance, it is coming back with a vengeance.
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