The Ben Shapiro Show - September 28, 2026


El-Sayed vs. Bill Maher: The Clash Over Islam

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00:00:00.000 The left in America is addicted to the idea that evil people all around the world are only evil because we did something to them.
00:00:06.000 That's the core component of the left-wing worldview.
00:00:08.000 That people who fail are only failures.
00:00:10.000 People who make bad decisions or evil decisions are only doing that because somehow they've been the victim of material circumstance.
00:00:16.000 That is the only way that you end up on the side of people who literally take five-year-old children, put a gun on them, and then walk them house to house, standing behind them to avoid being droned themselves.
00:00:26.000 I have a question for you.
00:00:27.000 What would it take for you to use your own child as a human shield?
00:00:33.000 I have five kids.
00:00:35.000 There is literally no circumstance, because I'm not a piece of human debris, in which I would take my own child and have my child do a dangerous thing so as to protect me from the consequences of doing the dangerous thing, because this makes you evil.
00:00:49.000 I have a six year old.
00:00:50.000 I would not take my six year old and hand her a bazooka, knowing that we are in a war situation, and use her carrying the bazooka in order to protect me from carrying the bazooka, knowing, by the way, that our opponents were more humane than I was.
00:01:05.000 And yet, that's precisely what happens in Gaza literally all the time.
00:01:08.000 So, there is a video that came out over the weekend via the IDF.
00:01:12.000 This is drone footage of Gaza, in which you can see a grown man who's walking next to a small child.
00:01:23.000 This child cannot be more than five or six years old.
00:01:26.000 They're moving between locations, and the child is carrying a weapon, like a very large weapon.
00:01:32.000 And you can see that the father of this child.
00:01:36.000 Is walking alongside the child, knowing that the Israeli government will not blow him away because the child is carrying the gun.
00:01:43.000 First of all, this video alone should be enough to convince you that there is no quote unquote genocide targeting children.
00:01:48.000 Because you know what people don't do if they think you're going to kill their kids?
00:01:51.000 Hide behind their kids.
00:01:53.000 No one worries about this in Chechnya.
00:01:55.000 Vladimir Putin will kill everyone.
00:01:56.000 He doesn't care.
00:01:57.000 But the Israeli military, to its own detriment on a security level, refuses to take measures that kill children.
00:02:05.000 It goes out of its way not to do that.
00:02:08.000 So what exactly does Hamas do?
00:02:09.000 They use that incentive structure against the Israelis by literally having their five year old kids carrying guns from location to location and then hiding behind them.
00:02:19.000 The most evil behavior you could possibly imagine.
00:02:22.000 And these are the people the left has decided to mobilize behind because victim victimizer complex.
00:02:27.000 They're victims of oppression and exploitation.
00:02:30.000 This is the entire Democratic Party now.
00:02:33.000 This is what the Democratic Party has become.
00:02:35.000 James Kirchick over at the Atlantic is on Bill Maher, and he correctly points out.
00:02:40.000 That by 2028, Democrats will have made it a litmus test as to whether you say that Israel committed a genocide.
00:02:47.000 As we discussed last week, Israel did not only not commit a genocide, it went out of its way to be as humane in fighting an urban war as any army in history.
00:02:55.000 Probably far more humane than any army in history.
00:02:59.000 You know, everyone likes to play the idiot game where you find your experts who agree with you.
00:03:05.000 Okay, so there's a letter with 500 people who said it was a genocide.
00:03:07.000 Okay, now there's a letter with 6,000 people who say it wasn't a genocide.
00:03:10.000 That's true.
00:03:11.000 It includes historians like Neil Ferguson and it includes Scholars of urban warfare.
00:03:16.000 But that's not why it's not a genocide.
00:03:18.000 The reason it's not a genocide is because it's clearly not a genocide.
00:03:20.000 But it has become a cult test as to your moral view of the universe that Israel is inherently evil.
00:03:29.000 Because the only way that you can justify taking sides against Israel when it turns out that its opponents are literally taking five year old kids and walking them down the street holding weapons is to claim that Israel is Satan.
00:03:40.000 And the best way to do that without saying Israel is Satan is to say Israel committed a genocide.
00:03:44.000 And so this has become the demand.
00:03:46.000 On the part of left wing Democrats who now dominate the party.
00:03:50.000 Here's James Kirchick.
00:03:51.000 He's correct about this.
00:03:52.000 So let's just get it on the table here genocide or not?
00:03:56.000 Absolutely not.
00:03:58.000 Look, if it's a genocide, it would have been the first genocide where Israel vaccinated, where the country committing the genocide vaccinated the population, where they sent them two million tons of food.
00:04:12.000 Israel could commit a genocide in a week, probably.
00:04:17.000 They haven't done that because they have no intent to do it.
00:04:19.000 And the intent is what matters when it comes to genocide.
00:04:23.000 So I agree with Netanyahu and you.
00:04:25.000 It really is the biggest lie of the 21st century.
00:04:28.000 Century.
00:04:29.000 And I'm telling you, I'm predicting right now, it will be a question on the 2028 Democratic debate stage.
00:04:35.000 Raise your hands.
00:04:36.000 Raise your hands if you think Israel committed a genocide.
00:04:39.000 He is right.
00:04:40.000 And you have to buy into the lie if you wish to be a Democrat in good standing.
00:04:43.000 You also have to buy into the lie that radical Islam is of no threat, which is why Abdul Rahman El Sayed, the Democratic Senate candidate from Michigan, who is full scale in support of terror groups, he is, that is his worldview.
00:04:59.000 In the Democratic Party, he's the good guy and Bill Maher is the bad guy.
00:05:03.000 Here was El Sayed on with Chuck Todd, who no longer has a job.
00:05:07.000 He's started his own outlet that nobody's ever heard of.
00:05:11.000 El Sayed says he would love to go on Bill Maher, even though he says awful things about people.
00:05:14.000 You see, Abdulrahman El Sayed is the victim of Bill Maher because Bill Maher has been critical of Islam.
00:05:21.000 El Sayed's the victim.
00:05:22.000 In order for you to be a leftist in good standing, you have to be twerking on top of an NYPD car, wearing cross gender clothing, and waving a Palestinian flag.
00:05:29.000 That's what you have to do.
00:05:31.000 And Bill Maher isn't doing any of those things.
00:05:33.000 So he's not a left winger in good standing.
00:05:34.000 Even though they give a million bucks to Barack Obama, it doesn't matter.
00:05:39.000 Here's El Sayed saying that Bill Maher is just so mean.
00:05:41.000 He's so bad and so mean, says the terror supporter.
00:05:45.000 So look, if somebody wants to go on Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan has, you know, platformed vaccine deniers.
00:05:49.000 He's engaged in vaccine denial itself, which is a very, very dangerous thing.
00:05:53.000 But you would go on the show.
00:05:54.000 I'd go on the show.
00:05:55.000 Because I want to talk to his audience.
00:05:55.000 Right.
00:05:57.000 Bill Maher, same story.
00:05:58.000 You know how many terrible things Bill Maher has said about people like me?
00:06:01.000 Terrible, awful things.
00:06:02.000 Of course, there's a show on Comedy Central, and everybody seems to be perfectly okay going on that show, despite the fact that he said deeply terrible things.
00:06:10.000 But you know who else would go on that show?
00:06:11.000 You know why?
00:06:11.000 I'd go on the show.
00:06:12.000 A, I want to give people the image of watching him get his ass whooped on his own show by a guy who prays like I do.
00:06:19.000 And I'd also go on a show because I want to convince the people who watch his show, right, that a lot of the things that he says are just not viable.
00:06:27.000 Again, he is the victim.
00:06:29.000 And to be a good Democrat, you have to believe that radical Muslims are the victims.
00:06:33.000 And you have to believe that the members of Western civilization who wish to defend against that are the aggressors.
00:06:38.000 That's what you have to believe.
00:06:39.000 This is the de rigueur thing that you must believe.
00:06:41.000 Bill Maher, by the way, responded to El Sayed.
00:06:43.000 He said, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the things you believe, my dude.
00:06:47.000 I saw on the news today that El Sayed in Michigan says he would do my show, even though he doesn't like the way I talk about people like him.
00:06:54.000 It's not people like you.
00:06:55.000 I would love to have you on, sir, by the way, and I hope we can make that happen.
00:07:01.000 I talk about Islam.
00:07:03.000 It's never personal and it's never about race, it's about ideas.
00:07:06.000 Religion is an opinion.
00:07:08.000 That's all religion is a group of thoughts that form an opinion of something.
00:07:15.000 I have different views on what, you know, how women should be treated and things like that, that we will discuss.
00:07:20.000 I hope you will accept our invitation.
00:07:23.000 So, again, Bill Maher is right, but it doesn't matter whether Bill Maher is right.
00:07:27.000 And Democrats are stacking up behind El Sayed because, again, they have lost the thread.
00:07:34.000 This is the problem with the president having a very low approval rating El Sayed is very likely to wind up in the Senate, according to the Kalshey mark.
00:07:40.000 Because, again, Kalshey.
00:07:41.000 Is a sponsor and friend of the show.
00:07:43.000 According to Calcium Markets, 72% of people believe Abdul El Sayed will end up the senator from Michigan over Mike Rogers.
00:07:51.000 Now, El Sayed is hiding behind his socialism.
00:07:54.000 I mean, this is how crazy things are in the Democratic Party.
00:07:57.000 The radical Muslim, he just hides behind being a socialist and it all becomes okay.
00:08:02.000 He takes the Palestinian flag and he puts it behind his bag and he twerks while holding up a Medicare for all sign and everybody goes, oh, that's the thing that he wants.
00:08:11.000 He doesn't care about the Middle East at all, except it's the only thing he cares about.
00:08:14.000 But here he is talking about corporate socialism.
00:08:18.000 Even Adam Smith knew that the biggest risk to capitalism was not government regulation, the biggest risk to capitalism was always monopoly and oligopoly.
00:08:28.000 We don't live in capitalism.
00:08:31.000 I'm a capitalist.
00:08:31.000 We don't live in capitalism.
00:08:33.000 We live in corporate socialism.
00:08:37.000 So, if you're a corporation, you can buy a politician to get that politician to rig the system for you so that you make more money and you X out every other market in which you compete.
00:08:47.000 That's the system.
00:08:49.000 So, I think we need to make sure that we actually do have capitalism.
00:08:54.000 And the best way to invest in capitalism is the morals that even Adam Smith understood, which is we invest in the basic substrate for people.
00:09:02.000 You need good health care.
00:09:03.000 You need a good education.
00:09:05.000 We need child care.
00:09:06.000 We need good roads and bridges.
00:09:07.000 We don't need to send our money to big corporations to subsidize them.
00:09:11.000 We need to be invested in people so that they have the human capital to be able to do all the things as they graduate and come out.
00:09:18.000 Again, it's all about bigger government.
00:09:21.000 But as long as you say the big government stuff, because again, that underscores what the left wishes about the world, which is that it's all Marxist materialism.
00:09:27.000 Now, again, the left made this mistake during the Iranian revolution.
00:09:29.000 They said the reason that people become radical Muslims is because.
00:09:32.000 They're being materially deprived by capitalism.
00:09:34.000 Therefore, if there's a Marxist Islamist revolution in Iran, we will do the Marxism and the radical Muslims will stop being radical Muslims.
00:09:40.000 And it turns out, nope, they're just going to execute you.
00:09:43.000 Great job, everybody.
00:09:44.000 By the way, El Sayed is still lying about his program.
00:09:46.000 I mean, we should just point that out.
00:09:48.000 El Sayed says that even under Medicare for All, you will be able to have your private insurer.
00:09:52.000 Please explain how, sir.
00:09:54.000 Imagine it to be like public schools.
00:09:57.000 No matter where you live, you have a public school system that is there for your kid.
00:10:01.000 You pay taxes into that system.
00:10:03.000 That system is always going to be there for you.
00:10:04.000 You may enroll your kid, you may not enroll your kid.
00:10:07.000 That is still there for you, right?
00:10:09.000 You are guaranteed a public education.
00:10:12.000 Medicare for all is that guarantee.
00:10:14.000 Everyone's enrolled, everyone pays in.
00:10:16.000 If you would like to have a private insurer above that, you're welcome to do that.
00:10:21.000 But our goal is to build a floor so high that most folks would be like, why would I?
00:10:27.000 This covers everything I possibly could need.
00:10:30.000 Okay.
00:10:30.000 The only problem with that is that he's lying.
00:10:32.000 I mean, he literally said that Medicare for all does away with private insurance.
00:10:36.000 What Medicare for All does is it does away with the private insurance market, right?
00:10:41.000 It now has one single payer.
00:10:44.000 That's why we call it single payer, right?
00:10:45.000 One insurance, and that is the government of the United States.
00:10:49.000 Well, Ezra Klein did point out to El Syed that they tried Medicare for All, like single payer in Vermont and California, and it totally fell apart.
00:10:59.000 And El Syed's like, well, that's just bad press.
00:11:01.000 It's just unbelievable the number of lies.
00:11:04.000 I mean, Vermont tried to do single payer, they tried to do it.
00:11:08.000 In a blue state where Bernie Sanders is a senator just a couple years ago, when they had a Democratic governor, it's a fiasco.
00:11:16.000 It was a fiasco because when people were told what it was going to cost them and they were going to have to move that to taxes, they rebelled against it.
00:11:23.000 Let me push back.
00:11:23.000 It's not the Republican opposition I'm worried about, it's the industry opposition.
00:11:28.000 Industry spends huge amounts of money to push back on all of this.
00:11:33.000 They spend it in electioneering, they spend it in lobbying, and they spend it on ads.
00:11:38.000 Again, this is all El Sayed and the rest of this gang.
00:11:42.000 Marxists and radical Islamists, here's what they do.
00:11:44.000 They also traffic in something called false consciousness.
00:11:47.000 This is a Marxist construct.
00:11:48.000 And the Marxist construct is you don't think what you think.
00:11:50.000 You've been told that you must think in a certain way and trained to think in a certain way by industry interests, so to speak, or by the evil Western civilized system.
00:12:00.000 Your Orientalism was baked into the cake by the system in which you live.
00:12:04.000 And now you are having the veil stripped from your eyes by these people.
00:12:09.000 All that's happening right now is that the left wing radical Muslim coalition is coming together full scale, which is why, by the way, on SNL, They mocked Mamdani because Mamdani is a completely useless mayor, obviously.
00:12:22.000 But the mockery wasn't about the fact that Mamdani is actually unbelievably radical.
00:12:26.000 The big rip on him is that he's just too cool because he likes TikTok.
00:12:30.000 That's always the rip.
00:12:32.000 Do you have a minute, Mayor Mamdani?
00:12:33.000 Of course, but first, I need to address this nor'easter.
00:12:36.000 Quick, get out your phone.
00:12:37.000 I need to send an urgent message about this dangerous storm.
00:12:41.000 Ready, sir.
00:12:43.000 Thank you.
00:12:50.000 Shelter in place, y'all.
00:12:52.000 Hey, perfect.
00:12:54.000 Okay, again, like the only rip that they can make on Mamdani is that he's just, he's too cool and hipping with the kids.
00:13:00.000 Again, an entire civilization prepping its own destruction.
00:13:02.000 Pretty impressive stuff.
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