The Ben Shapiro Show - September 28, 2026


El-Sayed vs. Bill Maher: The Clash Over Islam

Topics
corporate socialism
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Ben Shapiro
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Bill Maher Mamdani Abdul El Sayed Jamie Kerchick Adam Smith Joe Rogan Kalshey Abdul El-Sayed Vladimir Putin Comedy Central Bernie Sanders Neil Ferguson Barack Obama Mike Rogers Chuck Todd Ezra Klein Netanyahu Scholars
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00:00:00 The left in America is addicted to the idea that evil people all around the world are only evil because we did something to them.
00:00:06 That's the core component of the left-wing worldview.
00:00:08 That people who fail are only failures.
00:00:10 People who make bad decisions or evil decisions are only doing that because somehow they've been the victim of material circumstance.
00:00:16 That is the only way that you end up on the side of people who literally take five-year-old children, put a gun on them, and then walk them house to house, standing behind them to avoid being droned themselves.
00:00:26 I have a question for you.
00:00:27 What would it take for you to use your own child as a human shield?
00:00:33 I have five kids.
00:00:35 There is literally no circumstance, because I'm not a piece of human debris, in which I would take my own child and have my child do a dangerous thing so as to protect me from the consequences of doing the dangerous thing, because this makes you evil.
00:00:49 I have a six year old.
00:00:50 I would not take my six year old and hand her a bazooka, knowing that we are in a war situation, and use her carrying the bazooka in order to protect me from carrying the bazooka, knowing, by the way, that our opponents were more humane than I was.
00:01:05 And yet, that's precisely what happens in Gaza literally all the time.
00:01:08 So, there is a video that came out over the weekend via the IDF.
00:01:12 This is drone footage of Gaza, in which you can see a grown man who's walking next to a small child.
00:01:23 This child cannot be more than five or six years old.
00:01:26 They're moving between locations, and the child is carrying a weapon, like a very large weapon.
00:01:32 And you can see that the father of this child.
00:01:36 Is walking alongside the child, knowing that the Israeli government will not blow him away because the child is carrying the gun.
00:01:43 First of all, this video alone should be enough to convince you that there is no quote unquote genocide targeting children.
00:01:48 Because you know what people don't do if they think you're going to kill their kids?
00:01:51 Hide behind their kids. 1.00
00:01:53 No one worries about this in Chechnya. 1.00
00:01:55 Vladimir Putin will kill everyone. 0.95
00:01:56 He doesn't care. 0.97
00:01:57 But the Israeli military, to its own detriment on a security level, refuses to take measures that kill children.
00:02:05 It goes out of its way not to do that.
00:02:08 So what exactly does Hamas do?
00:02:09 They use that incentive structure against the Israelis by literally having their five year old kids carrying guns from location to location and then hiding behind them.
00:02:19 The most evil behavior you could possibly imagine.
00:02:22 And these are the people the left has decided to mobilize behind because victim victimizer complex.
00:02:27 They're victims of oppression and exploitation.
00:02:30 This is the entire Democratic Party now.
00:02:33 This is what the Democratic Party has become.
00:02:35 James Kirchick over at the Atlantic is on Bill Maher, and he correctly points out. 0.69
00:02:40 That by 2028, Democrats will have made it a litmus test as to whether you say that Israel committed a genocide.
00:02:47 As we discussed last week, Israel did not only not commit a genocide, it went out of its way to be as humane in fighting an urban war as any army in history.
00:02:55 Probably far more humane than any army in history. 0.99
00:02:59 You know, everyone likes to play the idiot game where you find your experts who agree with you. 0.99
00:03:05 Okay, so there's a letter with 500 people who said it was a genocide. 0.99
00:03:07 Okay, now there's a letter with 6,000 people who say it wasn't a genocide. 0.97
00:03:10 That's true.
00:03:11 It includes historians like Neil Ferguson and it includes Scholars of urban warfare.
00:03:16 But that's not why it's not a genocide.
00:03:18 The reason it's not a genocide is because it's clearly not a genocide. 0.59
00:03:20 But it has become a cult test as to your moral view of the universe that Israel is inherently evil.
00:03:29 Because the only way that you can justify taking sides against Israel when it turns out that its opponents are literally taking five year old kids and walking them down the street holding weapons is to claim that Israel is Satan.
00:03:40 And the best way to do that without saying Israel is Satan is to say Israel committed a genocide.
00:03:44 And so this has become the demand.
00:03:46 On the part of left wing Democrats who now dominate the party.
00:03:50 Here's James Kirchick.
00:03:51 He's correct about this.
00:03:52 So let's just get it on the table here genocide or not?
00:03:56 Absolutely not.
00:03:58 Look, if it's a genocide, it would have been the first genocide where Israel vaccinated, where the country committing the genocide vaccinated the population, where they sent them two million tons of food. 0.72
00:04:12 Israel could commit a genocide in a week, probably.
00:04:17 They haven't done that because they have no intent to do it.
00:04:19 And the intent is what matters when it comes to genocide.
00:04:23 So I agree with Netanyahu and you.
00:04:25 It really is the biggest lie of the 21st century.
00:04:28 Century.
00:04:29 And I'm telling you, I'm predicting right now, it will be a question on the 2028 Democratic debate stage.
00:04:35 Raise your hands.
00:04:36 Raise your hands if you think Israel committed a genocide. 1.00
00:04:39 He is right. 1.00
00:04:40 And you have to buy into the lie if you wish to be a Democrat in good standing. 0.92
00:04:43 You also have to buy into the lie that radical Islam is of no threat, which is why Abdul Rahman El Sayed, the Democratic Senate candidate from Michigan, who is full scale in support of terror groups, he is, that is his worldview. 0.73
00:04:59 In the Democratic Party, he's the good guy and Bill Maher is the bad guy. 0.81
00:05:03 Here was El Sayed on with Chuck Todd, who no longer has a job.
00:05:07 He's started his own outlet that nobody's ever heard of.
00:05:11 El Sayed says he would love to go on Bill Maher, even though he says awful things about people.
00:05:14 You see, Abdulrahman El Sayed is the victim of Bill Maher because Bill Maher has been critical of Islam.
00:05:21 El Sayed's the victim. 0.53
00:05:22 In order for you to be a leftist in good standing, you have to be twerking on top of an NYPD car, wearing cross gender clothing, and waving a Palestinian flag. 0.85
00:05:29 That's what you have to do.
00:05:31 And Bill Maher isn't doing any of those things.
00:05:33 So he's not a left winger in good standing.
00:05:34 Even though they give a million bucks to Barack Obama, it doesn't matter.
00:05:39 Here's El Sayed saying that Bill Maher is just so mean.
00:05:41 He's so bad and so mean, says the terror supporter.
00:05:45 So look, if somebody wants to go on Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan has, you know, platformed vaccine deniers.
00:05:49 He's engaged in vaccine denial itself, which is a very, very dangerous thing.
00:05:53 But you would go on the show.
00:05:54 I'd go on the show.
00:05:55 Because I want to talk to his audience.
00:05:55 Right.
00:05:57 Bill Maher, same story.
00:05:58 You know how many terrible things Bill Maher has said about people like me?
00:06:01 Terrible, awful things.
00:06:02 Of course, there's a show on Comedy Central, and everybody seems to be perfectly okay going on that show, despite the fact that he said deeply terrible things.
00:06:10 But you know who else would go on that show?
00:06:11 You know why?
00:06:11 I'd go on the show.
00:06:12 A, I want to give people the image of watching him get his ass whooped on his own show by a guy who prays like I do. 0.56
00:06:19 And I'd also go on a show because I want to convince the people who watch his show, right, that a lot of the things that he says are just not viable. 0.98
00:06:27 Again, he is the victim.
00:06:29 And to be a good Democrat, you have to believe that radical Muslims are the victims.
00:06:33 And you have to believe that the members of Western civilization who wish to defend against that are the aggressors. 0.73
00:06:38 That's what you have to believe.
00:06:39 This is the de rigueur thing that you must believe.
00:06:41 Bill Maher, by the way, responded to El Sayed.
00:06:43 He said, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the things you believe, my dude.
00:06:47 I saw on the news today that El Sayed in Michigan says he would do my show, even though he doesn't like the way I talk about people like him.
00:06:54 It's not people like you.
00:06:55 I would love to have you on, sir, by the way, and I hope we can make that happen. 1.00
00:07:01 I talk about Islam.
00:07:03 It's never personal and it's never about race, it's about ideas.
00:07:06 Religion is an opinion.
00:07:08 That's all religion is a group of thoughts that form an opinion of something.
00:07:15 I have different views on what, you know, how women should be treated and things like that, that we will discuss.
00:07:20 I hope you will accept our invitation.
00:07:23 So, again, Bill Maher is right, but it doesn't matter whether Bill Maher is right. 0.63
00:07:27 And Democrats are stacking up behind El Sayed because, again, they have lost the thread.
00:07:34 This is the problem with the president having a very low approval rating El Sayed is very likely to wind up in the Senate, according to the Kalshey mark.
00:07:40 Because, again, Kalshey.
00:07:41 Is a sponsor and friend of the show.
00:07:43 According to Calcium Markets, 72% of people believe Abdul El Sayed will end up the senator from Michigan over Mike Rogers.
00:07:51 Now, El Sayed is hiding behind his socialism.
00:07:54 I mean, this is how crazy things are in the Democratic Party. 0.98
00:07:57 The radical Muslim, he just hides behind being a socialist and it all becomes okay. 0.98
00:08:02 He takes the Palestinian flag and he puts it behind his bag and he twerks while holding up a Medicare for all sign and everybody goes, oh, that's the thing that he wants. 0.98
00:08:11 He doesn't care about the Middle East at all, except it's the only thing he cares about.
00:08:14 But here he is talking about corporate socialism.
00:08:18 Even Adam Smith knew that the biggest risk to capitalism was not government regulation, the biggest risk to capitalism was always monopoly and oligopoly.
00:08:28 We don't live in capitalism.
00:08:31 I'm a capitalist.
00:08:31 We don't live in capitalism.
00:08:33 We live in corporate socialism.
00:08:37 So, if you're a corporation, you can buy a politician to get that politician to rig the system for you so that you make more money and you X out every other market in which you compete.
00:08:47 That's the system.
00:08:49 So, I think we need to make sure that we actually do have capitalism.
00:08:54 And the best way to invest in capitalism is the morals that even Adam Smith understood, which is we invest in the basic substrate for people.
00:09:02 You need good health care.
00:09:03 You need a good education.
00:09:05 We need child care.
00:09:06 We need good roads and bridges.
00:09:07 We don't need to send our money to big corporations to subsidize them.
00:09:11 We need to be invested in people so that they have the human capital to be able to do all the things as they graduate and come out.
00:09:18 Again, it's all about bigger government.
00:09:21 But as long as you say the big government stuff, because again, that underscores what the left wishes about the world, which is that it's all Marxist materialism.
00:09:27 Now, again, the left made this mistake during the Iranian revolution.
00:09:29 They said the reason that people become radical Muslims is because.
00:09:32 They're being materially deprived by capitalism.
00:09:34 Therefore, if there's a Marxist Islamist revolution in Iran, we will do the Marxism and the radical Muslims will stop being radical Muslims. 0.99
00:09:40 And it turns out, nope, they're just going to execute you. 0.99
00:09:43 Great job, everybody. 0.57
00:09:44 By the way, El Sayed is still lying about his program.
00:09:46 I mean, we should just point that out.
00:09:48 El Sayed says that even under Medicare for All, you will be able to have your private insurer.
00:09:52 Please explain how, sir.
00:09:54 Imagine it to be like public schools.
00:09:57 No matter where you live, you have a public school system that is there for your kid.
00:10:01 You pay taxes into that system.
00:10:03 That system is always going to be there for you.
00:10:04 You may enroll your kid, you may not enroll your kid.
00:10:07 That is still there for you, right?
00:10:09 You are guaranteed a public education.
00:10:12 Medicare for all is that guarantee.
00:10:14 Everyone's enrolled, everyone pays in.
00:10:16 If you would like to have a private insurer above that, you're welcome to do that.
00:10:21 But our goal is to build a floor so high that most folks would be like, why would I?
00:10:27 This covers everything I possibly could need.
00:10:30 Okay.
00:10:30 The only problem with that is that he's lying.
00:10:32 I mean, he literally said that Medicare for all does away with private insurance.
00:10:36 What Medicare for All does is it does away with the private insurance market, right?
00:10:41 It now has one single payer.
00:10:44 That's why we call it single payer, right?
00:10:45 One insurance, and that is the government of the United States.
00:10:49 Well, Ezra Klein did point out to El Syed that they tried Medicare for All, like single payer in Vermont and California, and it totally fell apart.
00:10:59 And El Syed's like, well, that's just bad press.
00:11:01 It's just unbelievable the number of lies.
00:11:04 I mean, Vermont tried to do single payer, they tried to do it.
00:11:08 In a blue state where Bernie Sanders is a senator just a couple years ago, when they had a Democratic governor, it's a fiasco.
00:11:16 It was a fiasco because when people were told what it was going to cost them and they were going to have to move that to taxes, they rebelled against it.
00:11:23 Let me push back.
00:11:23 It's not the Republican opposition I'm worried about, it's the industry opposition.
00:11:28 Industry spends huge amounts of money to push back on all of this.
00:11:33 They spend it in electioneering, they spend it in lobbying, and they spend it on ads. 1.00
00:11:38 Again, this is all El Sayed and the rest of this gang. 0.96
00:11:42 Marxists and radical Islamists, here's what they do. 0.99
00:11:44 They also traffic in something called false consciousness.
00:11:47 This is a Marxist construct.
00:11:48 And the Marxist construct is you don't think what you think.
00:11:50 You've been told that you must think in a certain way and trained to think in a certain way by industry interests, so to speak, or by the evil Western civilized system.
00:12:00 Your Orientalism was baked into the cake by the system in which you live.
00:12:04 And now you are having the veil stripped from your eyes by these people. 0.97
00:12:09 All that's happening right now is that the left wing radical Muslim coalition is coming together full scale, which is why, by the way, on SNL, They mocked Mamdani because Mamdani is a completely useless mayor, obviously. 0.90
00:12:22 But the mockery wasn't about the fact that Mamdani is actually unbelievably radical.
00:12:26 The big rip on him is that he's just too cool because he likes TikTok.
00:12:30 That's always the rip.
00:12:32 Do you have a minute, Mayor Mamdani?
00:12:33 Of course, but first, I need to address this nor'easter.
00:12:36 Quick, get out your phone.
00:12:37 I need to send an urgent message about this dangerous storm.
00:12:41 Ready, sir.
00:12:43 Thank you.
00:12:50 Shelter in place, y'all.
00:12:52 Hey, perfect.
00:12:54 Okay, again, like the only rip that they can make on Mamdani is that he's just, he's too cool and hipping with the kids.
00:13:00 Again, an entire civilization prepping its own destruction.
00:13:02 Pretty impressive stuff.
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