The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 18 - The RNC Debate Fiasco

00:00:00.000 We've got a huge show coming up for you here today.

00:00:02.000 President Obama is reaching out to the criminal population, the next Democratic population. 0.83

00:00:07.000 Paul Ryan says that he's not going to shut down the government over Planned Parenthood.

00:00:11.000 And, of course, it appears that the left despises Dr. Ben Carson.

00:00:15.000 We'll give you the latest iteration on that.

00:00:17.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:18.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:25.000 Alrighty, so the big story today is that the Republican candidates have decided they're no longer going to allow the Republican National Committee to control how the debates are run, which makes perfect sense.

00:00:35.000 If you watched the Ben Shapiro show last week, if you're a subscriber or listen to it, if you listen to the podcast, you'll know that the debate, the CNBC debate, was an absolute, utter, complete disaster area.

00:00:45.000 It was just bad in pretty much every way.

00:00:47.000 It gave Republicans the opportunity to bash the media, 0.96

00:00:50.000 But the fact that this was set up by the RNC is ridiculous.

00:00:53.000 I mean, MSNBC wouldn't have set it up any differently than CNBC did.

00:00:57.000 Well, today, all 15 Republican candidates who are remaining in the race, I guess all the way down to George Pataki, they got together over the weekend, and they decided that they were going to come up with a new set of standards with regard to how these debates were run.

00:01:10.000 So they came up with a letter, and they sent it to all of the media outlets, saying that they would need to know answers to a bunch of questions if they were going to

00:01:18.000 We're good.

00:01:38.000 Justice never sleeps and I live in America because it's great and there's a flying eagle.

00:01:55.000 And also, approval of graphics during the debate.

00:01:57.000 They want to approve all the graphics during the debate.

00:01:59.000 Most importantly, the campaign said that they did not want to negotiate directly.

00:02:03.000 They wanted to negotiate directly, rather, with the networks.

00:02:06.000 They didn't want the RNC playing middleman.

00:02:09.000 And the RNC basically said, there's nothing we can do about this.

00:02:11.000 As I suggested last week, this is exactly what the Republicans should do.

00:02:15.000 Republican candidates don't need the RNC appealing to the various networks.

00:02:20.000 See, all of these players in this situation

00:02:23.000 They have different agendas.

00:02:24.000 So the Republican candidates want to be seen in a positive light by as many people as humanly possible.

00:02:30.000 The RNC's agenda is to get seen by as many people as possible, generally, so people send donations.

00:02:35.000 Not even positively versus negatively.

00:02:37.000 They just want to be seen.

00:02:38.000 If you see them, you're more likely to send them a donation.

00:02:41.000 And finally, the networks want as many eyeballs on them as possible, and they want as many advertiser dollars as possible.

00:02:46.000 Well, that suggests that the networks will push a very controversial debate, because more people will watch.

00:02:51.000 It suggests that the RNC desperately wants all of this to be televised on national TV, on a major network, with all of the power of promotion behind it, so that people will send donations to the RNC.

00:03:01.000 And it suggests that if you're a Republican candidate, you really don't want to be part of any of this.

00:03:06.000 Because the truth is that if you have the RNC and the networks,

00:03:09.000 deciding how this is going to go, then there's a good shot the moderators are not going to be your friends, or at least they're not going to ask you substantive and decent questions.

00:03:17.000 So the RNC and the Republican candidates are structurally at odds with each other.

00:03:23.000 Now, the television networks say that they're going to fight back against the Republican candidates.

00:03:26.000 They're not going to give in to the Republican candidates.

00:03:29.000 The Republican candidates should just—I mean, Donald Trump could do this single-handedly.

00:03:32.000 They should just say, we're gonna do the debate at this place with these moderators, there'll be a camera there, you guys are free to comment, you're free to cover it, just like any other event.

00:03:40.000 Right?

00:03:40.000 Donald Trump didn't announce on MSNBC or on Fox News, he announced, and everybody covered it, and people ran it live.

00:03:47.000 There's no reason that all the networks couldn't do that, and that would probably be the best solution for the Republicans, especially because the networks are deeply afraid that if this thing were to be streamed online, without any sort of coverage by the networks, they lose out.

00:04:00.000 They're already losing numbers.

00:04:01.000 They don't have numbers enough they can afford to waste the opportunity to cover some sort of big debate event that's heavily publicized by the various candidates.

00:04:10.000 And there's plenty of money for them to publicize it.

00:04:11.000 Even if they just bought advertising time on local affiliates, that would probably cost less than what they're actually spending to put up these debates in the first place.

00:04:20.000 So the media is really, really mad about this.

00:04:22.000 Members of the media, they say it's just awful that Republicans are acting this way.

00:04:26.000 It's terrible. 0.93

00:04:27.000 They should suck it up. 0.62

00:04:28.000 Why are they whining all the time?

00:04:30.000 This morning, I do a morning show here in Los Angeles with a guy from the left.

00:04:35.000 His name is Brian Whitman.

00:04:36.000 And Brian was saying, I just don't understand these Republicans. 0.98

00:04:38.000 They're moving further and further outside of mainstream America, which is idiotic, considering that none of the moderators are members of mainstream America. 0.98

00:04:46.000 All of the moderators are members of upper West Side elites in New York, or they're members of the glitterati in Los Angeles. 0.97

00:04:53.000 They have nothing in common with the vast majority of Americans. 0.56

00:04:57.000 But he kept pushing this notion that it's because Republicans are extreme.

00:05:00.000 And it's not because Republicans are extreme. 1.00

00:05:02.000 It's because it's time for Republicans to stop being stupid. 1.00

00:05:05.000 See, here's the thing about the notion of media objectivity. 1.00

00:05:09.000 Whenever members of the media say that they are objective, it takes two to tango.

00:05:13.000 If Republicans every time media members said they were objective said, no, you're not.

00:05:18.000 No, you're not.

00:05:19.000 Then Democrats couldn't get away with it.

00:05:21.000 George Stephanopoulos, for 10 years, 15 years, sat there after leaving the Clinton administration, pretending to be an objective news reporter.

00:05:31.000 He was in the war room.

00:05:32.000 He was the chief of staff to President Clinton, and he's there pretending to be an objective reporter.

00:05:36.000 And no one, not a single Republican, for 15 years, said to him on live national television, George, maybe you're asking me these questions because you're a leftist hack who worked for Bill Clinton.

00:05:47.000 And it took for people to notice his relationship with the Clinton Global Initiative for any of this to blow up, but it shouldn't have.

00:05:53.000 I mean, it's like saying that Karl Rove is an objective news reporter.

00:05:56.000 No, he's not.

00:05:57.000 He wouldn't last 30 seconds before someone said that to him in some sort of moderated setting.

00:06:02.000 The fact that people consider the mainstream media to be objective is the fault of Republicans.

00:06:08.000 Because Republicans have a collective action problem.

00:06:11.000 There are Republicans like me who would go on TV and say that anybody's biased, because they are.

00:06:15.000 And then you have people like John McCain.

00:06:16.000 And John McCain will go on and humor the questions and pretend that these journalists are objective.

00:06:21.000 And so if you're a network, who would you rather have on, me or John McCain?

00:06:24.000 The answer is, you'd rather have it on John McCain, even if I get better ratings.

00:06:27.000 Because John McCain is not going to rip you to shreds.

00:06:30.000 Whereas I'll go on CNN and I'll say that if Hamas could invent a news network, it would look like you. 0.99

00:06:34.000 Which I actually said to Allison Camerata on CNN, and it was a little while before they had me on again.

00:06:39.000 They don't have to worry about that if you're John McCain.

00:06:41.000 It's time for all Republicans to start calling out the media for what they are.

00:06:45.000 Because it's Republicans who are granting Democrats in the media this patina of objectivity.

00:06:51.000 Now meanwhile, I don't know if you saw this story, apparently Bill Gates, the richest man on earth, literally the richest man on earth, came out for socialism today.

00:07:00.000 He did an interview in the Atlantic and he talked about how socialism was a grand and wonderful thing.

00:07:04.000 This did not cause him to give up 50 of his 100 billion dollars or cause him to start handing out his money on street corners, but he says that socialism is a wonderful thing. 0.99

00:07:15.000 It is amazing how many people who are experts in one field are complete idiots in another. 0.98

00:07:19.000 This is the beauty of capitalism, folks. 0.99

00:07:21.000 It can take otherwise useless people like Bill Gates and make them multi-gajillionaires because they actually invent products that we like to use.

00:07:28.000 Because obviously Bill Gates has no clue how the world works, but we can still make a useful person of him and make a very wealthy person of him.

00:07:34.000 Here is what Bill Gates said over the weekend.

00:07:36.000 And I think it is amazing how many one-percenters, people who are at the very top of the spending spectrum,

00:07:42.000 are people who are willing to come out in favor of socialism and redistribution of wealth.

00:07:46.000 Here's what Bill Gates said.

00:07:47.000 He said, quote, There's no fortune to be made in green energy.

00:07:51.000 Even if you have a new energy source that costs the same as today's and emits no carbon dioxide, it will be uncertain compared with what's tried and true and already operating at unbelievable scale and has gotten through all the regulatory problems.

00:08:03.000 Without a substantial carbon tax, there's no incentive for innovators or plant buyers to switch.

00:08:09.000 And what he's saying here is that we need to use government regulation in order to cram down green energy on people.

00:08:15.000 We can't just let the market take care of it even though the market always goes for the most efficient energy source.

00:08:20.000 No, we have to let government cram down on people.

00:08:22.000 And I think that it's worthwhile just taking a minute to explain why this is wrong in the environmental setting and then why it's wrong generally.

00:08:29.000 Because there are too many people who are buying into the Bernie Sanders notions.

00:08:32.000 I'm sure people who are watching or listening

00:08:34.000 You have friends, family members, you shouldn't have friends, but family members who believe in Bernie Sanders.

00:08:40.000 If you have a friend who believes in Bernie Sanders, you shouldn't be friends with this person, because this person, number one, is not intelligent, and number two, believes in something that's actually tremendously evil, because Bernie Sanders has, of course, stood up for Fidel Castro, among others.

00:08:52.000 But there is this concept out there.

00:08:55.000 That only government can make the environment better. 0.99

00:08:58.000 Which is idiotic, because after all, the worst polluting country in the world right now is China, which is no shortage of government. 0.97

00:09:04.000 Now, what people normally use to talk about why the environment is better is they talk about CAFE standards. 0.99

00:09:10.000 This would be the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards.

00:09:12.000 That the government has increased the standard for production of cars, they have to produce more fuel-efficient cars.

00:09:18.000 What people forget is the reason the government had to do that in the first place is because government subsidized gas and oil.

00:09:24.000 Government made it cheap so that people would buy cars in the first place.

00:09:28.000 And then, because gas was cheap, they had to create another program to mandate that the car manufacturers not take advantage of the cheap gas, but they make really fuel-efficient gas.

00:09:37.000 Now, there's a very easy way to solve the problem of non-fuel efficiency, and that is let gas go to its normal price.

00:09:43.000 If gas is at its normal price, then scarcity means the prices go up, and then people will want more fuel-efficient cars to save money.

00:09:50.000 But according to Bill Gates, this is just no good.

00:09:53.000 And Bill Gates wants a carbon tax.

00:09:54.000 He wants to tax everything out of existence.

00:09:59.000 Andrew Klavan, I thought, had an amazing point on his podcast the other day. 0.93

00:10:02.000 I mean, you know Andrew, he's a dunderhead on a lot of things, but on this he was exactly right.

00:10:07.000 And that is that Drew said, he was talking about this, he was really wonderful.

00:10:10.000 And if you haven't listened to Drew's podcast,

00:10:12.000 Seriously, it's a fantastic podcast, folks.

00:10:14.000 You should click out of this when you're done, and you should tune on over to Drew's podcast, which I download every day and enjoy immensely.

00:10:21.000 It's really a lot of fun.

00:10:22.000 It's about as different from a show from this one as you could get.

00:10:24.000 This one's very topical and newsy, and Drew's is much more philosophical, but it's very deep.

00:10:29.000 And one of the things he said is he said that if you watch the movie Avatar, and you see all of the beautiful lights and the swirly things and the flying creatures and all that, we have that.

00:10:40.000 It's called oil, right?

00:10:41.000 That's what makes things go, right?

00:10:43.000 Oil makes all of these magical things happen.

00:10:45.000 Bill Gates wants to wipe oil out in order to make the environment better, which is just foolishness of the highest order.

00:10:50.000 Again, considering that people would prefer to live not in massive poverty.

00:10:54.000 And then Bill Gates continued.

00:10:55.000 He said, since World War II,

00:10:57.000 U.S.

00:10:58.000 government R&D research and development has defined the state of the art in almost every area.

00:11:04.000 Okay, the idea that U.S.

00:11:05.000 government R&D has defined the standard in every area is just beyond absurd.

00:11:10.000 R&D in the government sector has really lagged in most areas, is the truth.

00:11:14.000 I mean, if you look at, aside from the development of military technology, all of the good developments in computer technology are taking place in the private sector, not on behalf of the government.

00:11:23.000 He says the private sector is in general inept.

00:11:25.000 This is Bill Gates talking, the guy who invented Microsoft.

00:11:28.000 Right? 0.98

00:11:28.000 The private sector is, in general, inept. 0.98

00:11:30.000 This $100 billion Bill Gates.

00:11:32.000 The climate problem has to be solved in the rich countries.

00:11:34.000 China and the U.S. 0.95

00:11:35.000 and Europe have to solve carbon dioxide emissions, and when they do, hopefully they'll make it cheap enough for everyone else.

00:11:41.000 Well, I have another solution that Bill Gates might like, and that is we could all just become poor again.

00:11:45.000 We could be extremely poor, and we could die at 30, and we could have no carbon-based fuels, and life could suck dramatically, but at least the world wouldn't be getting warmer.

00:11:54.000 It is amazing, though, that a guy who has made his entire fortune off of capitalism hates capitalism this much.

00:11:59.000 But it really isn't rare.

00:12:00.000 See, here's the thing that people have to understand about some of the richest people in the world.

00:12:04.000 Because they look at this.

00:12:05.000 They look at Bill Gates and they say, how could somebody like Bill Gates hate capitalism, right?

00:12:09.000 How is that even possible?

00:12:11.000 The answer is, because Bill Gates thinks he is smarter than you.

00:12:14.000 Bill Gates thinks he is smarter than everybody.

00:12:16.000 And as most people who think they are smarter than everybody believe, they should run things.

00:12:21.000 Bill Gates believes he should run everything.

00:12:22.000 He believes that he should basically be dictator of Earth.

00:12:25.000 He's not the first person to believe this.

00:12:26.000 Thomas Edison, the inventor of the lightbulb and the...

00:12:29.000 The modern movie camera, among other things.

00:12:31.000 Thomas Edison, he actually said back in 1911, he said, quote, So Thomas Edison, who made all of his money in the private sector,

00:12:52.000 Thomas Edison wanted the government to take over the economy, and then he wanted to run it.

00:12:55.000 And Bill Gates is the same way. 0.99

00:12:57.000 When you have the arrogance that's sometimes necessary in order to succeed in a capitalistic enterprise, when you're the person who goes out and you build, you tend to believe everybody else is a moron, and because everybody else is a moron, you should control them. 1.00

00:13:10.000 So the free market that made you rich is actually stupid because you don't control the free market. 0.99

00:13:14.000 Because other people besides you were successful in the free market. 0.96

00:13:18.000 And that's what's amazing about Bill Gates, and I think that it's important to point out.

00:13:21.000 This is why disproportionately wealthy people in the United States are in favor of big government. 0.66

00:13:26.000 They're not in favor of big government just because they're hypocrites, although they are.

00:13:30.000 People who are very wealthy in the United States, virtually all of the highest-earning counties in the United States voted for Barack Obama.

00:13:37.000 That's because they think they're better than everyone else, and they think that Obama is one of them.

00:13:41.000 That's how this works.

00:13:42.000 They think that they are the experts in the industry, and the basis of leftism is the idea that geniuses run the bureaucracy.

00:13:49.000 And if you think that you're so much smarter than everybody else, if you have nothing but scorn for everybody who doesn't appreciate a really solid Maureen Dowd column, if you're the person who really just, you can't get enough of Woody Allen films, like the really pretentious Woody Allen films, and the people who don't get those pretentious Woody Allen films, those are the dunderheads that you need to control, yeah, you've made a lot of money.

00:14:10.000 But voting Democrat serves two purposes.

00:14:13.000 One, you get to apologize for being rich.

00:14:15.000 And two, you also get to demonstrate to everybody how much smarter than everybody you are because you have devised programs for making the world better.

00:14:22.000 And if only everybody would listen to you, the world would be a much better place.

00:14:27.000 Which brings us to the level of scorn that exists

00:14:31.000 in public for so many Republicans.

00:14:33.000 I really believe that the people who consider themselves intellectuals believe in leftist agendas because they wish they were the ones in control.

00:14:41.000 Every person wishes that they were the king.

00:14:43.000 The difference is that most people understand they'll never be king.

00:14:46.000 But when you're a really, really rich person, and you live in some of these areas with a bunch of other rich people, you tend to begin to think that, yeah, you actually could be king.

00:14:53.000 You could control the government.

00:14:55.000 You could hijack the democratic process.

00:14:57.000 And you develop a scorn for everybody who disagrees with you.

00:15:00.000 And that scorn is really endemic on the left.

00:15:02.000 This is why when I'm, you know, I'm a pretty smart fella, just in terms of raw data.

00:15:07.000 And when I talk with people on the left, it's not coming from a place of intellectual scorn.

00:15:12.000 It usually comes from a place of moral scorn.

00:15:14.000 I don't like their moral system.

00:15:15.000 But it's not because I think, oh, I must be that much smarter than this guy. 1.00

00:15:19.000 But people on the left, whenever they talk to someone on the right, they're all stupid. 1.00

00:15:22.000 Right? 1.00

00:15:22.000 If you talk to someone who's intelligent on the left, the reason right-wingers are right-wing is because they're ignorant bigots and they're stupid. 1.00

00:15:28.000 They're just dumb. 1.00

00:15:29.000 If they weren't so dumb, everything would have worked out just great. 1.00

00:15:31.000 Well, one of these characters is Richard Dawkins. 0.99

00:15:34.000 Richard Dawkins is the world's most famous atheist at this point.

00:15:37.000 He's the author of a book called The Selfish Gene.

00:15:39.000 Which is what made him famous.

00:15:40.000 He's an evolutionary biologist and his belief is that evolutionary biology demonstrates in full living color that God doesn't exist.

00:15:48.000 Because after all, if there's a system that perpetuates itself and it evolves toward what we were, there's no need for a God to explain anything.

00:15:55.000 It's the selfish gene that explains everything.

00:15:57.000 There are a couple of problems with his theory.

00:15:59.000 One of which is that the gene has no emotions and isn't selfish, right?

00:16:02.000 The question is how did the environment develop so that the gene that wants to self-perpetuate

00:16:07.000 Actually develops in the way that it did.

00:16:09.000 I mean, it doesn't answer the question as to how did this entire system get here in the first place.

00:16:13.000 You can believe in evolution as I do.

00:16:15.000 I'm a big fan of the theory of evolution as a general rule, although I believe in macroevolution, not microevolution.

00:16:21.000 Punctuated equilibrium is what it's called.

00:16:23.000 The idea that, and this is backed by the fossil record, that

00:16:26.000 Darwin sort of posited that evolution took place on a continuous scale, that evolution was slow and steady wins the race, and that's really not what the fossil record shows.

00:16:35.000 It shows that there are things like the Cambrian explosion where there are certain periods of time in which all of a sudden a burst of new activity appears on the evolutionary scale, and we don't really know why there wasn't that great a variance in the environment, and so the theory of punctuated equilibrium is that basically every

00:16:52.000 Several tens of thousands of years, every few millennia, there was a big burst of evolution, and the question is why that happens.

00:16:59.000 Richard Dawkins, however, he's very upset with Dr. Ben Carson.

00:17:01.000 Because Dr. Ben Carson, who continues to do well in the polls in the Republican race, Dr. Carson said that he believes in creationism, which is not, by the way, incompatible with evolution.

00:17:14.000 I'm also creationist in the sense that I believe that God created all of this stuff.

00:17:18.000 But I believe he used the mechanism of evolution to do that.

00:17:21.000 Richard Dawkins, however, says he's very, very upset with Dr. Ben Carson. 0.99

00:17:25.000 Ben Carson, the famous neurosurgeon from Johns Hopkins, he must be an idiot because he doesn't believe what Richard Dawkins believes. 0.98

00:17:30.000 Here's Richard Dawkins sneering at Dr. Carson. 0.98

00:17:35.000 Ben Carson teaches medicine at Yale, and he says, he's a creationist, he thinks that God created the world, and he says, you're going to tell me that the complexity of the human brain, and he's a brain surgeon, came out of a soup full of chemicals and such?

00:17:53.000 Well, I'm going to tell him that, but not suddenly.

00:17:55.000 It took a very, very long time, but by gradual stages.

00:17:58.000 That's what these people don't understand.

00:18:00.000 They think it all happened suddenly.

00:18:02.000 Well, if you think that, of course you don't believe it, obviously.

00:18:05.000 It shouldn't happen suddenly.

00:18:06.000 But if it happens gradually, each stage just gives way to the next stage and the next stage and the next stage, and each stage is only a tiny bit different from the one before, then you could start understanding it.

00:18:17.000 You've just told me that all the Republican candidates except one say they don't believe in evolution.

00:18:21.000 I mean, that's a disgrace.

00:18:22.000 But for a senior, a very eminent, distinguished doctor, as he is, to say that, it's even worse.

00:18:29.000 Because, of course, evolution is the bedrock of biology.

00:18:32.000 And biology is the bedrock of medicine, and so for a distinguished doctor to not understand, I have to use the word understand, he clearly doesn't understand the fundamental theorem of his own subject.

00:18:46.000 That is a terrible indictment.

00:18:48.000 Okay, so the idea is that Ben Carson can't be president or Ben Carson can't be a smart guy or he can't understand the theory of evolution if he has questions about the theory of evolution posited by Richard Dawkins.

00:18:59.000 Now, here's the problem again, folks.

00:19:01.000 Creationism and evolution are not in conflict.

00:19:03.000 You can believe that God created all of this stuff and that he directed evolution toward a certain purpose.

00:19:08.000 Because it doesn't really explain why it is that genetics had to evolve in a certain way.

00:19:13.000 Why couldn't it have evolved in a different way?

00:19:15.000 When Richard Dawkins can explain why it is that the universe was even created in a certain way, like Stephen Jay Gould, who's obviously another eminent scientist, he says that the question of religion is why, and the question of science is how.

00:19:27.000 And I think that, in large measure, this is basically true.

00:19:30.000 And when it comes to evolution, the question is why.

00:19:33.000 Why did it have to evolve this way?

00:19:34.000 Why did it work this way?

00:19:35.000 Why was the system designed this way? 1.00

00:19:37.000 But for Richard Dawkins, anybody who believes in God is an idiot. 0.99

00:19:40.000 And this is the general belief among people of the left, the more kind of vulgar version of Richard Dawkins, a guy who considers himself very bright, but actually is not. 0.99

00:19:49.000 He's the formerly funny jester dwarf known as Bill Maher.

00:19:53.000 And here is Bill Maher talking about the same thing and saying that the real problem with humanity is that only religious people are having babies.

00:20:02.000 Now here's something people won't like to hear.

00:20:04.000 It's the wrong people procreating.

00:20:07.000 Religious people. 0.98

00:20:19.000 Okay, well, he's a nasty piece of work. 0.95

00:20:21.000 And the fact is, I mean, first of all, you have his audience of laughing hyenas who will laugh at anything.

00:20:26.000 I mean, anything that Bill Maher says.

00:20:27.000 He's like Jon Stewart.

00:20:28.000 If you take away his live audience, he's got nothing.

00:20:30.000 But beyond that, when Bill Maher says that only nasty people are procreating, only religious people are procreating, first of all, religious at what?

00:20:39.000 I mean, the reality of the situation is that China is not famed for its religiosity, but there are 2 billion people in China.

00:20:46.000 The fact is that in places where people are having seven or eight babies, these aren't usually actually Christian areas.

00:20:53.000 I mean, very often you're talking about places that have, in some areas of the world, pagan religion.

00:20:58.000 But there's nothing wrong with having lots of babies is the other point.

00:21:01.000 You know, there's this fundamental notion on the left that the reason that the left doesn't succeed is because the right out procreates them.

00:21:07.000 Well, first of all, you guys are endowed with the same capability.

00:21:09.000 If you want to have babies, go ahead and try it.

00:21:11.000 The problem is that you won't because you don't believe there's a downside

00:21:15.000 It's kind of the atheistic sneering leftism of Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher, and that downside is you don't believe in the value of your own civilization.

00:21:22.000 Bill Maher and Richard Dawkins, they don't believe enough in the value of their own civilization to even stand up and say that their civilization is worth protecting and fighting for, worth procreating for, and worth promulgating.

00:21:35.000 Because the fact is that if you are an atheist, and this is the big problem for atheism for humanity, and this is not to say there can't be individual good atheists or that the case for atheism can't be strong.

00:21:45.000 I don't believe it, but I think there could be a strong case made for atheism.

00:21:48.000 The point is that on a societal level, an atheistic society is doomed to failure because an atheistic society does not give you a reason to live.

00:21:57.000 And any society that does not give you a reason to live, doesn't give you a purpose to live, a goal to living, is bound to fail.

00:22:02.000 And this is true of the left in the United States, it's true for Richard Dawkins, it's true for Bill Maher.

00:22:06.000 Bill Maher's the best example because he, unlike Richard Dawkins, who at least finds his purpose in science, Bill Maher honestly just finds his purpose in being a Bulgarian. 0.99

00:22:14.000 And you can see the despair that kind of reeks off of him just watching the tape.

00:22:18.000 This is not a happy human being.

00:22:20.000 Being atheist, being a far-left atheist, and atheism and leftism tend to merge pretty quickly, because if you believe government, or really you, ought to be God, then God can't be God.

00:22:30.000 When these two things merge, you've created a very unhappy society, and that society has to uphold itself by sneering.

00:22:36.000 It's important to sneer at others, because if you're not happy, unhappy people are the most vicious people you will ever meet.

00:22:42.000 The thing with people in your life, people who are unhappy people, they spend all of their day sniping at other folks. 1.00

00:22:47.000 Just talking about how other people have it hard, or they're the worst, or they're stupid, or they're terrible. 0.99

00:22:51.000 They spend all their time talking about everybody else. 1.00

00:22:54.000 Why? 0.99

00:22:54.000 Because they're miserable. 0.99

00:22:56.000 And the fact is, 0.98

00:22:57.000 That that unhappiness is endemic to the left.

00:23:00.000 These people who become very wealthy and then believe it was all them and has nothing to do with God and they're smarter than everybody else and they can sneer at other people.

00:23:07.000 Not only can they sneer, not only should they sneer, they're morally obligated to sneer like Richard Dawkins.

00:23:12.000 They must sneer.

00:23:14.000 It is now a personality trait.

00:23:15.000 If you are somebody who is an atheistic leftist,

00:23:18.000 Sneering almost becomes a part of you.

00:23:20.000 It's imperative that you sneer.

00:23:22.000 Because if you don't sneer, then you have to look in the face the fact that how do you justify your life?

00:23:28.000 For a lot of these folks, they justify their life with a superiority complex, the way that Bill Maher justifies his life with a superiority complex to the other people on his panel, to religious people across the world.

00:23:38.000 But the fact is, these folks are bound to lose.

00:23:40.000 They are bound to lose.

00:23:41.000 And not just because of procreation, but because they don't even know for what they stand other than hatred of the other, which is hilariously enough.

00:23:50.000 Now, meanwhile, I want to get into a little bit of hard politics here.

00:23:54.000 President Obama is doing his best to push forward criminality in the United States.

00:23:59.000 This has become a theme.

00:24:00.000 If you listen to the show on any regular basis, I talk about the fact that the left

00:24:05.000 in the last few months has really started to push for more criminality.

00:24:08.000 This is what the Black Lives Matter movement is.

00:24:11.000 More criminality. 0.97

00:24:12.000 The cops are bad.

00:24:13.000 Criminals are good. 0.99

00:24:14.000 We must have some sort of criminal justice reform.

00:24:16.000 We have to let more people out of prison.

00:24:18.000 We have to change the drug laws and let more people out of prison.

00:24:21.000 By the way, if you're going to make a case for changing the drug laws to let people out of prison, make the case that drugs don't damage people.

00:24:27.000 But you can't make the case that people should be let out of prison because drug offenders are less likely to reenact their crimes than other offenders.

00:24:34.000 It's not true.

00:24:35.000 Drug dealers are more likely than other people to go back to drug dealing.

00:24:38.000 So if you don't like drug dealing, then lowering sentences is not a solution to drug dealing.

00:24:42.000 The President of the United States is now pushing for what he calls criminal justice reform.

00:24:46.000 What he really means is that law-abiding folks should subsidize non-law-abiding folks.

00:24:51.000 Here's the President of the United States in his weekly address

00:24:54.000 Talking about what he wants to do about criminality here in the United States, even as crime rates begin to rise.

00:24:59.000 And then I'll tell you what his actual agenda here is, and it ain't helping people who are criminals only.

00:25:05.000 I'll tell you what it actually is.

00:25:06.000 Here's the President of the United States.

00:25:10.000 I believe we can disrupt the pipeline from underfunded schools to overcrowded jails.

00:25:15.000 I believe we can address the disparities in the application of criminal justice from arrest rates to sentencing to incarceration.

00:25:22.000 And I believe we can help those who have served their time and earned a second chance get the support they need to become productive members of society.

00:25:31.000 Okay, so the President of the United States lays out a few ideas there.

00:25:35.000 First of all, he says that we can disrupt the pipeline from underfunded schools to overcrowded jails.

00:25:39.000 Okay, this pipeline doesn't exist.

00:25:41.000 Seriously.

00:25:42.000 Because we could just skip the schools and go directly to the jails if there were just this pipeline and we desperately wanted to staff our jails.

00:25:49.000 There's also no connection between the level of funding of a school and the success of a school.

00:25:52.000 There really is no connection.

00:25:54.000 The main connection between failure in school and going to jail is not having a father in the home.

00:25:59.000 But Obama will never talk about this because one of the left's agenda items is destroying the nuclear family.

00:26:04.000 Because the nuclear family is an obstacle to government dominance.

00:26:07.000 See, if I only care most, and I do, I only care most about my wife and my child, if I care more about my wife and my child than I do about other people, I'm less likely to willingly hand over my money to you to spend on some random stranger or on yourself.

00:26:19.000 I prefer to give my money to my wife and my kid, because I care about them more than you, because they're better than you, because I love them.

00:26:24.000 So, and that's true for everybody.

00:26:25.000 I mean, everybody feels this way about their family.

00:26:27.000 This is why the left has to destroy nuclear family. 1.00

00:26:30.000 Karl Marx was very clear about this in the Communist Manifesto.

00:26:33.000 He says the nuclear family is the chief obstacle to the dominance of the proletariat.

00:26:38.000 So anyway, President Obama says we can disrupt the pipeline from underfunded schools to overcrowded jails.

00:26:43.000 And then he says, we can address disparities in the application of criminal justice.

00:26:47.000 Notice he doesn't give any actual stats.

00:26:49.000 Whenever you hear a statistic, folks, in which people say black people do more jail time than white people, you need to ask, what was the crime they committed and what was their criminal history?

00:26:59.000 Because the fact is that depending on the crime, sometimes black people do less time in jail than white people. 0.98

00:27:04.000 So this idea that there is some vast, overwhelming conspiracy to put black people in jail is ridiculous. 0.98

00:27:09.000 Also, it turns out there's a really, really easy way to stay out of jail, and that is don't commit crimes. 0.94

00:27:14.000 Unless you're willing to suggest that of the 2.2 million people who are currently in American prisons, 500,000, 600,000 of them are just innocent and they were railroaded into this stuff.

00:27:24.000 It's a very difficult case to make.

00:27:26.000 The president, however, is pushing this nonsense about

00:27:32.000 Well, he wants something that he announced today.

00:27:34.000 It's called the Ban the Box program.

00:27:36.000 Ban the Box.

00:27:36.000 What is Ban the Box?

00:27:37.000 Well, when you apply for a government position, there's a checkbox.

00:27:41.000 And the checkbox is, do you have a criminal history?

00:27:44.000 Seems like something reasonable to ask somebody.

00:27:46.000 You know, did you kill your wife?

00:27:48.000 We'd like to know before you get this government-funded job teaching in preschool.

00:27:53.000 It seems relevant.

00:27:54.000 Did you commit white-collar fraud?

00:27:56.000 It seems like it might be a fair thing to ask Bernie Madoff before we give him a job at the Federal Elections Commission.

00:28:03.000 We would actually want to know these things before we hire you at the Fed.

00:28:05.000 We want to know whether you had a Ponzi scheme.

00:28:07.000 These are things that would be relevant as a general rule.

00:28:10.000 Obama wants to ban the box.

00:28:11.000 He wants to take it completely off of all of the federal applications, or at least delay it until it's too late in the process to do anything about it.

00:28:19.000 Setting the legal record so that if the convict doesn't get hired, then they can sue the government for discrimination on the basis of past criminal conduct.

00:28:27.000 That's where this is going to go.

00:28:29.000 Hillary Clinton has endorsed this.

00:28:30.000 Bernie Sanders, the Democrat from Loon Bag Town, has endorsed this.

00:28:35.000 Governor O'Malley has endorsed this.

00:28:36.000 Former Maryland Governor O'Malley, who looks like he's always wandering around the stage in a daze.

00:28:40.000 They've all endorsed this idea.

00:28:42.000 That the government should become the chief hiring mechanism for former criminals.

00:28:48.000 Obama wants to ban this box from public housing, so you can't ask people if they're criminals before we pay for your apartment.

00:28:56.000 We can't ask if you're a drug dealer and maybe you're going to use it as a drug den before we just rent you the apartment.

00:29:01.000 This is all amazing stuff.

00:29:02.000 President Obama also wants to increase public programs for these people.

00:29:06.000 The idea is, and this is something you've seen in the movies, you saw it, for example, in Ant-Man, actually, they show this, right?

00:29:11.000 Somebody gets out of jail for a crime, and now they can't get a job anywhere, and so they're forced to go back to a life of crime.

00:29:18.000 This has a long history in Hollywood, this argument.

00:29:21.000 Going all the way back to, I was a fugitive from a chain gang, a guy is wrongly convicted, he ends up on a chain gang, he gets out, makes something of his life, well, he actually escapes, makes something of his life,

00:29:30.000 And at the very end of the movie, he has to go on the run because he's uncovered as a criminal.

00:29:35.000 And then he goes back to being a criminal because that's all he can do.

00:29:37.000 And they ask him, what does he do to live?

00:29:39.000 And he says, I steal.

00:29:40.000 Right?

00:29:40.000 The idea being that after you're a convict, you can never escape the life of a convict because everybody knows that you're a convict.

00:29:46.000 And there's no question that being a convict is harder than not being a convict.

00:29:49.000 Which is why, folks, you should bring your child up not to be a criminal, and then they won't be a convict.

00:29:53.000 But this idea that criminals don't go back to crime, that if you got rid of all of these conditions, that criminals would just become law-abiding citizens is absolute horse nonsense.

00:30:03.000 It's just not true.

00:30:05.000 The fact is, the recidivism rate for all criminals is well above two-thirds within the first three years.

00:30:10.000 We're not talking about people who are working ten years, and then they decide they can't make it in the world.

00:30:14.000 We're talking about people within the first year or two.

00:30:16.000 Who have been criminals, and it's all they know how to be.

00:30:19.000 They get out, and they're criminals again.

00:30:20.000 So the question is, why is President Obama doing all of this, particularly since we know that crime rates are rising in a huge number of American cities?

00:30:28.000 It's up in L.A., it's up in New York, it's up in Chicago, it's up in Milwaukee, it's up in Detroit, which is almost impossible since everyone in Detroit has basically been murdered already, but it's up anyway in Detroit.

00:30:37.000 I mean, literally, crime is up all across the nation.

00:30:39.000 So why is Obama doing this?

00:30:41.000 Well, one of the reasons Obama is doing this is because he wants to lock up what he considers to be the ethnic minority vote, because he thinks that ethnic minorities are more interested in letting criminals out of prison.

00:30:53.000 Which, if it's true, is very sad, considering that ethnic minorities are largely victimized by other ethnic minority criminals. 0.97

00:30:59.000 Blacks are victimizing other black communities. 1.00

00:31:01.000 That's why you have high crime rates in the black community. 1.00

00:31:04.000 The best thing for those communities would be less criminals, not more criminals. 0.97

00:31:07.000 But there's another reason.

00:31:09.000 There's another reason.

00:31:10.000 Obama wants to let as many criminals out of prison as possible and reintegrate them into American life and have them not go back to jail and to work for the government, which is basically an unemployment check.

00:31:19.000 He wants to do all of this because how many people are released from jail every year in the United States?

00:31:24.000 How many are released?

00:31:25.000 Not in jail.

00:31:26.000 How many people are released every single year from jail in the United States?

00:31:29.000 The answer is 650,000 people every single year are released in the United States from prison.

00:31:35.000 How many of those people are of age?

00:31:38.000 Almost all of them, right?

00:31:39.000 Not a lot of those people are juvie offenders, so you're talking about 650,000 people all above the voting age.

00:31:46.000 They can all vote.

00:31:48.000 And, not shockingly, President Obama has indeed called for felons to vote.

00:31:51.000 He wants felons to vote.

00:31:52.000 He wants a constitutional amendment that would allow felons or a piece of legislation.

00:31:57.000 He says if you've served your time, you should be allowed to vote.

00:32:00.000 How amazing.

00:32:01.000 How amazing that is.

00:32:03.000 He wants everybody who's been a criminal, who's leeched off the system and victimized others, those people should be able to vote if they've served their time.

00:32:09.000 And coincidentally, he wants to make sure that more people get out of prison.

00:32:13.000 He wants to coincidentally ensure that less people are prosecuted.

00:32:17.000 President Obama is happy to have a criminal class victimizing the law-abiding so long as they vote for him.

00:32:23.000 And it's an amazing thing.

00:32:24.000 He wants to do that with your tax dollars.

00:32:26.000 It's almost impossible to be too cynical for the Democrats.

00:32:30.000 The idea that they're idealists, that they're trying to help people.

00:32:33.000 That's true for many people who are sort of your common everyday Democrats.

00:32:36.000 They think they're helping people.

00:32:37.000 But when we're talking about the elites, whether it is Bill Gates, or whether we're talking about Richard Dawkins, whether we're talking about Barack Obama, they're ideologues, but they're cynical ideologues.

00:32:46.000 And what that means, they're willing to exploit whatever is in front of them in order to achieve their utopian ends.

00:32:51.000 And for President Obama, those utopian ends include an ever-encroaching move

00:32:56.000 Toward a socialistic United States.

00:32:58.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:32:59.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - November 02, 2015

Ep. 18 - The RNC Debate Fiasco

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