The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 85 - Beyonce Isn't Sexy

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00:00:05.000 I want to talk today about the real breakdown inside the Republican Party.

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00:01:52.000 Okay, so it's pretty obvious right now that things are in wild disarray inside the Republican Party.

00:01:57.000 Did you miss it?

00:01:58.000 We've been talking about it for several months at this point.

00:02:00.000 So it's now reaching sort of cataclysmic proportions today.

00:02:04.000 There are a bunch more primaries.

00:02:06.000 These are primaries that are expected to split between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump.

00:02:10.000 Trump isn't going to walk out with major delicate victories today.

00:02:13.000 He's going to split relatively evenly with Cruz.

00:02:15.000 And then we get to next Tuesday, and there's pressure on Marco Rubio to drop out, and Marco Rubio isn't dropping out.

00:02:20.000 But bottom line is this.

00:02:22.000 If Marco Rubio loses Florida, he's done.

00:02:24.000 If John Kasich wins Ohio, he's not.

00:02:26.000 And he will have deprived Donald Trump of enough delegates that this actually becomes a really close competitive race.

00:02:32.000 Not to beat Donald Trump in the delegate count, but to prevent him from getting to 1,237 delegates.

00:02:39.000 If that happens, then the question is whether there's some sort of backroom deal between all of the other candidates to get behind Ted Cruz, because the only other people who are eligible for the nomination are people who have won eight states.

00:02:50.000 Cruz has won six.

00:02:51.000 By the end of today, he will have won at least seven.

00:02:53.000 He's supposed to win Idaho.

00:02:54.000 He has to win eight, so he'll win eight.

00:02:56.000 There's no question.

00:02:57.000 By the end of this process, he'll have won eight states.

00:02:59.000 He may be the only alternative to Donald Trump.

00:03:01.000 Okay, so what's happening to the Republican Party here?

00:03:04.000 There's a very interesting column

00:03:07.000 My David Brooks, who's a fake conservative who writes for the New York Times.

00:03:10.000 We've talked about David Brooks before.

00:03:12.000 He's sort of a faux conservative, an establishment guy.

00:03:15.000 A couple of weeks ago he wrote a piece saying that Barack Obama, we're gonna miss him when he's gone because he's so genteel and civil and wonderful.

00:03:23.000 This is the columnist who's the conservative at the New York Times.

00:03:26.000 Today, he has a piece called, It's Not Too Late.

00:03:29.000 And here's what he says.

00:03:30.000 He says, It's 2 a.m.

00:03:31.000 The bar is closing.

00:03:33.000 Republicans have had a series of strong and nasty Trump cocktails.

00:03:37.000 Suddenly, Ted Cruz is beginning to look kind of attractive. 0.95

00:03:39.000 At least he's sort of predictable, and he doesn't talk about his sexual organs in presidential debates.

00:03:44.000 Well, Republicans, have your standards really fallen so low so fast?

00:03:48.000 Are you really that desperate?

00:03:50.000 Can you remember your 8 p.m.

00:03:51.000 selves and all the hope you had about entering a campaign with such a deep bench of talented candidates?

00:03:56.000 Back in the early evening before the current panic set in, Republicans understood Ted Cruz would be a terrible general election candidate, at least as unelectable as Trump and maybe more so.

00:04:05.000 He's the single most conservative Republican in Congress, far adrift from the American mainstream.

00:04:09.000 He's been doing well in primaries because of the support of extremely conservative voters in very conservative states.

00:04:15.000 He really hasn't broken out of that lane.

00:04:17.000 His political profile is a slightly enlarged Rick Santorum, but without the heart.

00:04:21.000 He's cruel. 1.00

00:04:21.000 He's nasty. 1.00

00:04:22.000 David Brooks once said that he represented a sort of, quote, pagan brutalism. 0.97

00:04:26.000 He said that about

00:04:27.000 Ted Cruz.

00:04:28.000 He says on policy grounds, Cruz would be unacceptable to a large majority in this country, but his policy disadvantages are overshadowed by his public image ones.

00:04:37.000 His rhetorical style will come across to young and independent voters as smarmy and oleaginous.

00:04:42.000 Oleaginous means greasy.

00:04:44.000 In Congress, he had two accomplishments.

00:04:46.000 The disastrous government shutdown and persuading all his colleagues to dislike him.

00:04:50.000 And then he says, there's another path.

00:04:51.000 A better path.

00:04:52.000 One that doesn't leave you self-loathing in the morning.

00:04:54.000 It's a long shot, but given the alternatives, it's worth trying.

00:04:58.000 And that is, basically, prevent Trump from winning the nomination, go to an open convention, and then select somebody who's not really conservative.

00:05:05.000 He says, this isn't about winning the presidency in 2016 anymore, this is about something much bigger.

00:05:10.000 Every 50 or 60 years, parties undergo a transformation.

00:05:13.000 The GOP is undergoing one right now.

00:05:15.000 What happens this year will set the party's trajectory for decades.

00:05:18.000 And David Brooks, remember, an establishment guy, he says, since Goldwater and Reagan, the GOP has been governed by a free market, anti-government philosophy.

00:05:26.000 But over the ensuing decades, new problems have emerged.

00:05:29.000 First, the economy has gotten crueler.

00:05:31.000 Technology is displacing workers.

00:05:33.000 Globalization is dampening wages.

00:05:35.000 Second, the social structure has atomized and frayed, especially among the less educated.

00:05:39.000 Third, demography is shifting.

00:05:42.000 Orthodox Republicans, seeing no positive role for government, have had no affirmative agenda to help people deal with these new problems, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 0.83

00:05:49.000 What we really need is a big government conservatism.

00:05:52.000 Okay, so here's just a brief review.

00:05:55.000 When we first started this campaign, the conventional wisdom, and I talked about it on the show, was that there were four lanes.

00:06:01.000 There were four lanes in the Republican primaries.

00:06:03.000 Lane one was the establishment lane.

00:06:05.000 That was Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio.

00:06:06.000 Lane two was the Tea Party lane. 0.89

00:06:08.000 Lane two, that was the Ted Cruz Tea Party lane.

00:06:11.000 Lane 3 was the Evangelical Conservatives' lane.

00:06:14.000 It was supposed to be Mike Huckabee's lane, or Rick Santorum.

00:06:17.000 And lane 4 was the Libertarian, and that was supposed to be Rand Paul.

00:06:21.000 Obviously, that didn't work out because pretty much none of those candidates, except Cruz, have had any sort of appeal at all.

00:06:27.000 Then we went to a second model that people have been pushing now for months.

00:06:31.000 And that is the establishment versus anti-establishment model.

00:06:34.000 There's the establishment, that's Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush and John Kasich.

00:06:37.000 And there's the anti-establishment, Ted Cruz and Donald Trump.

00:06:41.000 What this doesn't explain is why Cruz and Trump have been going at it so hard.

00:06:44.000 If they're in the same lane and they represent the same people, why is it that there's so much ire between the Trump and the Cruz people?

00:06:50.000 And the answer is because it's an insufficient model.

00:06:53.000 That model is not correct.

00:06:54.000 In reality, there are three lanes, and this is what's tearing apart the Republican Party.

00:06:58.000 Imagine a Venn diagram.

00:06:59.000 Now normally, a Venn diagram, if you remember back to school, you have three circles and they all overlap in one particular area.

00:07:05.000 That's not how this Venn diagram looks.

00:07:09.000 The Venn diagram for the current Republican Party is three circles all in a row with small overlap.

00:07:14.000 So circle, circle, circle, right?

00:07:15.000 And there's just two areas of overlap, but at no point do the two circles on the ends touch each other.

00:07:21.000 So you've got the anti-establishment on one end, the establishment on the other, and the conservatives in the middle.

00:07:25.000 That's basically the model.

00:07:27.000 And what's happening is that the anti-establishment people are pulling at the conservatives from one side, saying, you can't go along with those establishment people.

00:07:35.000 They're terrible. 0.97

00:07:36.000 They're awful. 1.00

00:07:36.000 They're the ones who surrendered to Democrats. 1.00

00:07:38.000 And then on the other side, you've got the establishment people pointing at the anti-establishment people and saying, conservatives, you gotta come with us, you can't go with those people, they back Trump, and Trump's not even conservative. 0.97

00:07:47.000 You gotta come with us, he's crazy, he's gonna destroy the conservative movement. 0.79

00:07:50.000 And so what you're seeing is the conservatives, the people who actually care, 0.93

00:07:54.000 about constitutional conservatism getting torn right down the center between the anti-establishment and the establishment.

00:08:01.000 And this is why things are playing out the way that they are.

00:08:04.000 To understand this, you have to understand anti-establishment is not conservative.

00:08:08.000 We've said this multiple times.

00:08:09.000 So let's go through these three groups inside the Republican Party.

00:08:13.000 Who's right?

00:08:14.000 Who's wrong?

00:08:14.000 And how do we hope all of this shapes up?

00:08:16.000 So first things first, the establishment.

00:08:19.000 The establishment, they're people like David Brooks.

00:08:21.000 The establishment are people like David Brooks.

00:08:23.000 They find Donald Trump, they actually kind of like Donald Trump on policy is the truth, but they find Donald Trump off-putting.

00:08:28.000 They think that he's rude, they think he's loud, obnoxious, and he says things that are brutal to minorities, and he alienates people, he can't do outreach.

00:08:36.000 That's what they think of Donald Trump.

00:08:38.000 But these same people hate Ted Cruz because they're not really conservative.

00:08:42.000 So they really dislike Ted Cruz.

00:08:43.000 He's just too harsh.

00:08:45.000 He's just too constitutional.

00:08:47.000 He's just too small government.

00:08:48.000 He can't go along to get along.

00:08:50.000 He can't make deals.

00:08:51.000 He has no allies.

00:08:52.000 And the establishment view is much more like Trump than it is like Cruz in terms of pure politics.

00:08:57.000 For example, let me read again that part where

00:09:02.000 Brooks talks about what the new Republican Party should look like.

00:09:05.000 It sounds a lot like Trump.

00:09:08.000 He says, Right.

00:09:12.000 We call this modern American conservatism.

00:09:14.000 But over the ensuing decades, new problems have emerged.

00:09:16.000 First, the economy has gotten crueler.

00:09:18.000 Technology is displacing workers.

00:09:20.000 Globalization is dampening wages.

00:09:22.000 Hey, we've heard this about the Trump supporters.

00:09:23.000 The Trump supporters are people who've been thrown out of work in the Rust Belt, they were working in manufacturing, they can no longer work in manufacturing, and so they've been hurt, and so they want help, and the new Republican Party has to help these people.

00:09:34.000 Okay.

00:09:36.000 First, technology displacing workers? 0.89

00:09:38.000 This is nothing new.

00:09:39.000 Anybody who thinks this is nothing new knows nothing about history.

00:09:43.000 There's a group called the Luddites back in 1850s Britain, during the Industrial Revolution, and they literally smashed machines. 0.83

00:09:49.000 This is what they did.

00:09:49.000 They actually made it a death penalty offense in Britain for people to smash machines because it became so common.

00:09:54.000 People were afraid the machines would take their jobs, and so they started destroying machinery.

00:09:59.000 These were called the Luddites, okay?

00:10:00.000 So the idea that technology has replaced jobs has been true ever since the real advent of the Industrial Revolution.

00:10:06.000 It's been true for 160 years at this point. 0.55

00:10:08.000 Nothing is new under the sun.

00:10:10.000 Then he says, social structure has atomized in phrase.

00:10:13.000 That's been true, but that was true before Reagan.

00:10:15.000 That started in the 60s.

00:10:17.000 So what exactly does social conservatism do, except say, we need to rebuild that social conservatism in the home?

00:10:24.000 Not with government, in the home.

00:10:26.000 So there's nothing wrong with that from this perspective either.

00:10:29.000 And finally, he says demography is shifting, so Republicans have to presumably crater and cave on issues like immigration. 0.63

00:10:37.000 This is silliness.

00:10:38.000 Also, conservatism is a philosophy, it's not a race. 0.78

00:10:41.000 This is why I object so strongly to the sort of white nationalist bent of some of the Trump support that we've been talking about, and they're louder than they are deep.

00:10:50.000 There's a few of them, but they're very noisy.

00:10:52.000 But they do represent a real phenomenon.

00:10:55.000 The Republican Party should not be catering to any of this, okay?

00:10:57.000 The economy is what the economy is.

00:10:59.000 And we'll get to Trump and his positions on the economy in a second, but it's important to note the establishment sides with Trump on a lot of policy.

00:11:06.000 They want back George W. Bush's compassionate conservatism.

00:11:10.000 A big government conservatism that helps the little guy.

00:11:14.000 There's a name for this.

00:11:15.000 This is called liberalism.

00:11:17.000 The fact is that this is why the establishment is so reviled by conservatives, because we feel that they actually represent the opposite of what they say they're going to represent.

00:11:25.000 So, the fact is that, you know, Mitt Romney, for example, you know, when he says there's no establishment, of course there's an establishment.

00:11:32.000 Here's Mitt Romney trying to explain away the establishment on Sunday.

00:11:35.000 Here we go.

00:11:36.000 How about the argument, and again we heard this from Rush, this is the establishment basically trying to maintain control of a guy and push back a guy that they wouldn't be able to control.

00:11:49.000 Well, you can't control Ted Cruz, for instance.

00:11:51.000 No one has suggested you could do that.

00:11:53.000 And Marco Rubio, everybody tried to stop Marco Rubio from going against a sitting Republican governor in Florida.

00:11:59.000 He did it anyway and won.

00:12:01.000 Establishments suggest that there must be some Wizard of Oz somewhere pulling the strings.

00:12:06.000 That's not the way it works.

00:12:07.000 There are individuals like myself.

00:12:09.000 I sat there and watched Donald Trump and I said, look, someone's got to say something.

00:12:13.000 I didn't talk to anybody and say I'm gonna do a speech.

00:12:15.000 You got some ideas?

00:12:16.000 This is something I did on my own because I care very deeply about the country.

00:12:20.000 I love America.

00:12:21.000 Okay, we can stop it there.

00:12:22.000 He says there's no establishment.

00:12:23.000 It's all the Wizard of Oz.

00:12:25.000 Nobody's saying that there's a Wizard of Oz.

00:12:27.000 Nobody's saying there's this grand conspiracy among the establishment.

00:12:29.000 What we're saying is there are a bunch of like-minded people who believe like-minded things and what they believe in is a bigger government conservatism.

00:12:35.000 Romney was their favorite in 2012 because he created Romneycare.

00:12:39.000 Not in spite of Romneycare, because of Romneycare.

00:12:42.000 John McCain was their favorite in 2008 because of campaign finance reform.

00:12:46.000 Not in spite of campaign finance reform, because of it.

00:12:49.000 George W. Bush they liked a lot in 2000 because he was talking about bigger government, not in spite of the fact that he was talking about bigger government.

00:12:56.000 There doesn't have to be a conspiracy, a bunch of people in a smoke-filled room trying to coordinate in order for there to be a group of like-minded people who actually have a major impact on politics.

00:13:06.000 Like, I'm a Cruz supporter.

00:13:07.000 I don't coordinate with all of the various Cruz supporters.

00:13:11.000 All of us just have a common ideology.

00:13:13.000 We have a common notion of how government should work.

00:13:17.000 I'm a conservative.

00:13:17.000 That doesn't mean I talk with every other conservative.

00:13:19.000 In fact, we have disagreements among ourselves, but we do have a coherent ideology.

00:13:24.000 There is an establishment.

00:13:25.000 It does exist.

00:13:25.000 And so now the establishment, you know, we've got people like John Kasich, who also represents the establishment.

00:13:30.000 Kasich's a perfect embodiment of what the establishment wants.

00:13:33.000 You know, Michael Medved, I think, is a good ideological indicator of where the establishment is.

00:13:38.000 He loves John Kasich.

00:13:38.000 He thinks John Kasich is great.

00:13:40.000 By the way, so does David Brooks.

00:13:41.000 In this column, he talks specifically about John Kasich.

00:13:45.000 He says, if the GOP is going to survive as a decent and viable national party, it can't cling to the fading orthodoxy Cruz represents.

00:13:53.000 It's not fading orthodoxy.

00:13:54.000 There are certain eternal truths.

00:13:56.000 Government sucks at things, and the less government there is, the more freedom you have.

00:13:59.000 These are eternal truths.

00:14:00.000 These are not fading orthodoxies.

00:14:02.000 Government didn't magically discover how to work.

00:14:04.000 Government has never worked well.

00:14:06.000 The idea that government ever can work well, this is a myth.

00:14:09.000 But he says, we can't shift to ugly Trumpian nationalism.

00:14:11.000 We have to find a third alternative.

00:14:13.000 Limited but energetic use of government.

00:14:15.000 This is his phrase.

00:14:16.000 Limited but energetic use of government.

00:14:19.000 That doesn't help you at all.

00:14:20.000 Okay?

00:14:20.000 Limited has no meaning because you haven't defined it.

00:14:23.000 Energetic, what does that mean?

00:14:24.000 That it can't suck at things? 0.98

00:14:25.000 Well, but the definition of government is that it does suck at things. 0.96

00:14:28.000 But he says this is what Kasich and Rubio and Paul Ryan are all about.

00:14:31.000 This is the establishment and what they think.

00:14:33.000 So, John Kasich has become their current favorite.

00:14:36.000 So here's what John Kasich has to say.

00:14:37.000 He says he's gonna win Ohio.

00:14:39.000 Let's talk about Ohio, Governor, because you say you're going to win there, and yet Donald Trump is ahead of you in your home state.

00:14:46.000 You're governor of Ohio.

00:14:48.000 What the heck is happening there, and what's your strategy to best him?

00:14:55.000 Katie, don't worry about Ohio.

00:14:57.000 We're going to win Ohio.

00:14:59.000 We're working very hard in Ohio.

00:15:01.000 These polls are very old.

00:15:02.000 But why is he ahead of you in the polls?

00:15:04.000 Why is he ahead of you?

00:15:05.000 He's not ahead of me. 0.59

00:15:06.000 These polls are goofy.

00:15:08.000 You know, you take three or four hundred samples, you use some computer mechanism to do it, and you call it legitimate.

00:15:15.000 It's not legitimate.

00:15:18.000 Kasich says that he's going to win this primary.

00:15:20.000 I just, I don't get the warmth I usually get from Kasich when I can't see his hands air chopping fruit.

00:15:25.000 It's just, it's sort of boring.

00:15:26.000 But when John Kasich, he is the representative of the establishment.

00:15:30.000 So is Marco Rubio.

00:15:31.000 And so there are a lot of establishment people saying we'll stop Trump by depriving him of the delegates.

00:15:35.000 And then we'll come in with John Kasich or Marco Rubio or Mitt Romney.

00:15:38.000 We'll just, we'll break out somebody from our own side.

00:15:42.000 This in turn has led to the anti-establishment.

00:15:44.000 We'll talk about them.

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00:16:36.000 Okay, so the establishment, right, so we've got the establishment on the one side, and the establishment, these are big government conservatives.

00:16:42.000 On the other side, because they've catered to Democrats for so long, and surrendered for so long, and said that the Democrats are really not bad people, they're just misguided, you know, they really don't have bad intentions, when they're anti-nationalist, there's nothing really wrong with that.

00:16:57.000 When they say these sorts of things, the anti-establishment goes, wait, what the hell?

00:17:00.000 I've been left behind. 0.62

00:17:01.000 I'm pissed.

00:17:02.000 I'm ticked off.

00:17:03.000 But the anti-establishment is not conservative.

00:17:05.000 There are conservatives in the anti-establishment, but there are also plenty of populists in the anti-establishment.

00:17:11.000 It's more a feeling than anything else.

00:17:12.000 Being anti-establishment is not a philosophy.

00:17:14.000 It's more of just a backlash.

00:17:16.000 So, for example, Mike Ditka, who's the coach of the Chicago Bears.

00:17:19.000 Ditka, he came out and he said he's voting for Trump.

00:17:21.000 Here is Mike Ditka, his explanation of why he's voting for Trump.

00:17:27.000 I worry about the direction of the country.

00:17:28.000 I really do.

00:17:29.000 Because you're a patriot.

00:17:30.000 I think we're devoid of leadership right now, and I think we need leadership.

00:17:33.000 And whether you agree with everything the man says or not, he's a hell of a lot better leader than some of the other guys I hear about.

00:17:39.000 Do you regret your vote for Obama in 2012?

00:17:41.000 What?

00:17:42.000 I didn't vote for Obama.

00:17:45.000 He's breaking your chops, Mike.

00:17:46.000 What are you kidding me? 0.96

00:17:47.000 Obama's the worst president we've ever had.

00:17:49.000 You know, it's funny you say that. 0.86

00:17:50.000 Like St.

00:17:51.000 Peter.

00:17:52.000 Yeah, you've been very adamant about that when you've been on with me down in Florida, Coach Ditka, how you really disdain for Barack Obama.

00:18:00.000 And I always thought in my lifetime Jimmy Carter, late 1970s, was the worst.

00:18:03.000 But I'm with you.

00:18:04.000 I think Barack Obama's eclipsed Jimmy Carter.

00:18:06.000 So you're telling me, Mike, in your long stay on this planet, even a Dallas Cowboy, when Kennedy was assassinated, I think around that time, that Barack Obama is the worst president of your lifetime?

00:18:17.000 Well, I think so, really.

00:18:18.000 And here's why.

00:18:20.000 Barack Obama's a fine man.

00:18:22.000 I mean, he's pleasant.

00:18:23.000 He would be great to play golf with.

00:18:25.000 He's not a leader.

00:18:26.000 This country needs leadership.

00:18:27.000 It needs direction.

00:18:28.000 It needs somebody that steps up front.

00:18:30.000 We need somebody like Ronald Reagan.

00:18:32.000 Every once in a while you're going to get punched in the chops, but you keep going forward.

00:18:35.000 That's all there is to it.

00:18:36.000 You know, it's not always going to be a perfect situation.

00:18:39.000 Okay, so we can stop it there, but it is.

00:18:41.000 Trump is a leader.

00:18:42.000 Trump is a leader this, Trump is a leader that.

00:18:44.000 By the way, Trump is a leader to the extent that he sends literal busts of himself.

00:18:48.000 This was reported today.

00:18:49.000 Busts of his own head to campaign headquarters all over the United States, which is just creepy.

00:18:53.000 It's not a very good looking bust either, but in any case.

00:18:56.000 The idea for the anti-establishment is Trump is a leader, he'll bust things up, he'll come in, he'll just take a bat and break everything and it'll be great.

00:19:03.000 But is Trump actually conservative?

00:19:05.000 No, he's just anti-establishment.

00:19:06.000 He's just anti-establishment.

00:19:08.000 My problem with Trump is that he pretends he's conservative when he's just anti-establishment.

00:19:12.000 So, for example, here's Donald Trump explaining he really is very conservative when you get right down to it.

00:19:17.000 And the single most named criticism or question I get, tell me where Donald Trump is conservative.

00:19:24.000 Explain how he'll be conservative.

00:19:26.000 And I want to give you that opportunity to explain to people because no one ever asks you that.

00:19:32.000 Sure, I mean, I'd like to do that, and in so many ways.

00:19:34.000 But at the same time, I don't like labels necessarily, because a label doesn't mean very much.

00:19:38.000 But when it comes to being conservative, I happen to be conservative.

00:19:41.000 I'm very, very strong on energy independence, as you know, and I think that's the most conservative position, and I have the most conservative position on that.

00:19:50.000 I'm very, very so-called conservative on the military.

00:19:53.000 I want a very, very strong military.

00:19:55.000 I want to build up, you know, our military is totally depleted.

00:19:58.000 We're going to take care of our vets as part of that whole situation because our vets are not taken care of properly.

00:20:04.000 Nobody is more conservative when it comes to trade than I am now.

00:20:08.000 You can go and you can say, well, gee, I'm not a free trader, but I am a free trader, but I'm also a fair trader and a smart trader.

00:20:14.000 I want to make sure that the United States gains something.

00:20:17.000 Okay, we can stop it here.

00:20:18.000 So Trump says he's conservative, and then he names three issues, and on one of them, he's not conservative, right?

00:20:23.000 When it comes to free trade, he's not conservative.

00:20:25.000 Okay, the conservative position on free trade is that you should be in favor of free trade unless there's a human rights component here, like Ronald Reagan, for example.

00:20:34.000 I don't know.

00:20:53.000 But he doesn't understand what made America great in the first place.

00:20:56.000 He just thinks that if he's a strong leader, that makes America great again.

00:20:59.000 And this is what he says, right?

00:21:00.000 For example, here's Donald Trump explaining how he's going to win for you.

00:21:03.000 This is more along Trump's lines at his rallies.

00:21:06.000 This is what he says.

00:21:08.000 So, I just want to tell you it's a special place.

00:21:11.000 We're going to work really well with your leaders.

00:21:14.000 We're going to bring jobs back to Mississippi like you've never seen before. 0.81

00:21:18.000 You are going to be so happy.

00:21:20.000 And I say this often.

00:21:21.000 Our country doesn't win anymore.

00:21:24.000 We're going to start winning in so many ways.

00:21:26.000 We're going to win with the military.

00:21:28.000 We're going to knock out ISIS fast. 0.90

00:21:30.000 We're going to win with our military.

00:21:32.000 We're going to take care of our vets.

00:21:34.000 We're going to win with our vets.

00:21:35.000 We're going to win with education.

00:21:37.000 We're going to win on trade.

00:21:40.000 We're going to win when we get rid of this horrible Obamacare and we're going to get you something great.

00:21:47.000 We are going to win, win, win.

00:21:49.000 We're going to win so much.

00:21:50.000 And you're going to be so proud.

00:21:52.000 And you're going to go back and you're going to remember your vote tomorrow.

00:21:55.000 And you're going to say in a couple of years from now and long after that, that that was one of the great votes you've ever cast for anything.

00:22:04.000 And I just want to thank you, Mississippi.

00:22:06.000 I love you.

00:22:07.000 Special people.

00:22:08.000 Incredible.

00:22:09.000 I love you.

00:22:09.000 Thank you, Mississippi.

00:22:11.000 Thank you.

00:22:12.000 Okay.

00:22:12.000 We're going to win, win, win, win, win, win.

00:22:14.000 Right?

00:22:15.000 That's what we're going to do.

00:22:15.000 We're just going to win.

00:22:16.000 By the way, Donald Trump said yesterday that he's greedy, but he's greedy for America.

00:22:21.000 That's what he says.

00:22:21.000 He's Gordon Gekko.

00:22:22.000 Greedy for America.

00:22:24.000 So he's going to win.

00:22:25.000 There's nothing here that says conservative because Donald Trump is not conservative.

00:22:28.000 And to get back to the free trade point, which he's now, this is really what it comes down to.

00:22:32.000 A lot of people, Clavin's been talking about this for a long time.

00:22:35.000 Brooks is talking about it.

00:22:36.000 The dispossessed, the people who have lost their jobs thanks to the shifting economy away from manufacturing and toward the information sector.

00:22:43.000 And Trump has talked about it a lot too.

00:22:45.000 And the solution is presumably to stop free trade, to stop free trade.

00:22:49.000 And here, and Donald Trump calls this conservative.

00:22:51.000 It's not.

00:22:52.000 Here's Donald Trump on free trade agreements.

00:22:54.000 All this free trade.

00:22:56.000 You know what?

00:22:56.000 It's free trade for them, not free trade for us.

00:22:58.000 We're losing our shirts.

00:23:00.000 And look, I believe, I think free trade's fine.

00:23:03.000 But the leaders of these other countries, whether it's China, $500 billion a year trade deficit with China.

00:23:11.000 What the hell good is that for us?

00:23:13.000 Where does it help us?

00:23:15.000 So you have China, you have Japan, where the cars come in by the hundreds of thousands.

00:23:20.000 They pour off the boats.

00:23:21.000 It's like Mark is driving the car.

00:23:23.000 I've never seen.

00:23:24.000 They come off.

00:23:25.000 You wouldn't drive them.

00:23:26.000 It's too reckless.

00:23:27.000 They come off these boats going like 40 or 50 miles an hour.

00:23:30.000 It's like the Long Island Turnpike or Long Island Expressway.

00:23:34.000 They come pouring off the boats, one after another, after another.

00:23:37.000 And we send them like

00:23:40.000 Nothing.

00:23:41.000 We send them nothing.

00:23:42.000 And by comparison, nothing.

00:23:44.000 We have to make smart deals.

00:23:46.000 We can no longer, you know, we're losing.

00:23:48.000 Okay, so we can stop.

00:23:49.000 That's the same routine.

00:23:50.000 And he tweeted out yesterday, he's trying to win Idaho.

00:23:53.000 And he tweeted this out yesterday about Idaho potatoes.

00:23:56.000 Let's see if we can bring up that tweet.

00:23:58.000 Or actually, he said it yesterday.

00:23:59.000 Here's what Trump had to say about potatoes.

00:24:02.000 Here's what Trump humped in.

00:24:03.000 I came onto the stage and I said, oh, this is nice.

00:24:06.000 But now I walk up here.

00:24:08.000 Look at the good time I'm having.

00:24:09.000 You know why?

00:24:10.000 I had four great polls from the great state of Michigan.

00:24:12.000 That's a biggie tomorrow.

00:24:13.000 You and Michigan, we have Hawaii, and we have the greatest potato group in the world, Idaho.

00:24:19.000 I love Idaho.

00:24:21.000 I love Idaho.

00:24:23.000 I told them, I just tweeted, I said, I love your potatoes.

00:24:26.000 I hope you're going to vote for me.

00:24:27.000 I'll protect you.

00:24:28.000 Nobody's going to take those potatoes away from Idaho.

00:24:31.000 Nobody's going to take the potatoes away from Idaho.

00:24:33.000 This has nothing to do with conservatism.

00:24:35.000 Let me explain why.

00:24:36.000 OK, tariffs are not conservative because all tariffs are indirect taxation.

00:24:40.000 Right?

00:24:40.000 I'm a consumer.

00:24:41.000 You're a consumer.

00:24:42.000 Everybody in America is a consumer.

00:24:44.000 Let's say, for example, that we decided that we were just going to take a tax on all of us who are consumers and give a welfare payment to farmers.

00:24:52.000 Right, if you're a farmer, we're gonna give you a welfare payment.

00:24:54.000 You're a farmer in Idaho, you grow potatoes, you're having a rough time, so we're gonna tax all of us $10 a year, and we're gonna just give it to the farmers in Idaho.

00:25:01.000 For no reason.

00:25:02.000 We're just gonna give it to them.

00:25:03.000 Right?

00:25:03.000 This would be called redistribution of wealth.

00:25:06.000 That's what a tariff is.

00:25:07.000 All a tariff is, is they raise the price of imported goods.

00:25:11.000 Right?

00:25:11.000 Because you're buying your potatoes wherever you want to buy your potatoes.

00:25:13.000 They could come from South America, or they could come from Asia.

00:25:17.000 You're buying your potatoes wherever they're the cheapest.

00:25:19.000 And that's your right to buy potatoes at whatever price is the market price.

00:25:23.000 And the government is saying to you, you can no longer do that, right?

00:25:26.000 We're banning that.

00:25:27.000 So now you have to pay more for potatoes.

00:25:29.000 So the money is just going to go to those farmers in Idaho.

00:25:31.000 It's exactly the same thing as if they raised your taxes and just handed your money to the farmers in Idaho.

00:25:36.000 It's corporate welfare.

00:25:37.000 It's crony capitalism.

00:25:38.000 That's what it is.

00:25:39.000 Okay, it's no different, no different, than the government taking your money and handing it to some person in the inner city, or handing it to some poor person in West Virginia, or handing it to a farmer.

00:25:48.000 It's all the same.

00:25:49.000 When the government gets involved in the economy for purposes of sending your money elsewhere, this is called redistributionism.

00:25:55.000 By the way, the idea that China is just making a boon off of their trade with us, it's nonsense.

00:26:00.000 Okay, China has had two fiscal collapses in the last six months.

00:26:04.000 China is attempting desperately not to devalue its currency anymore, because if they devalue their currency anymore, their economy collapses.

00:26:11.000 Think about it this way.

00:26:13.000 What would happen to you today if the American dollar were sliced in half in terms of value?

00:26:18.000 All your money, you have $100,000 in the bank, you've spent your entire life building it up, and now it's only worth $50,000.

00:26:23.000 You'd be a lot poorer, wouldn't you?

00:26:26.000 Well, that's what happens when you devalue the currency.

00:26:29.000 Because all the government does is it prints another $100,000, so your money is worth half of what it used to be worth.

00:26:34.000 So you can't buy as much stuff with it.

00:26:35.000 Now, on the flip side, what it means is that everything that you're making is now worth half of what it was, so it's cheaper to export things, right?

00:26:43.000 Let's say you make cars.

00:26:44.000 It used to cost you

00:26:46.000 We're good to go.

00:27:05.000 Let's say they inflate their currency.

00:27:07.000 So it used to be that, let's say, these are random numbers.

00:27:10.000 Let's say that it was 5 yen to 1 American dollar.

00:27:13.000 Now it's 10 yen to 1 American dollar.

00:27:15.000 That means you can buy more stuff in China, right?

00:27:16.000 You go to China, you spend 1 dollar and it's worth 10 yen.

00:27:20.000 That's more than 5 yen.

00:27:21.000 You can buy more stuff with it.

00:27:23.000 Okay, that doesn't help the Chinese economy in any real way.

00:27:26.000 It does in the short term, but it also impoverishes their entire population, which is what you've had.

00:27:30.000 Right?

00:27:31.000 When you have a trade deficit, Thomas Sowell makes this point.

00:27:33.000 When you have a trade deficit, typically, that only happens when you're rich.

00:27:37.000 Poor countries don't have trade deficits.

00:27:39.000 Rich countries have trade deficits, because we can afford to buy other people's stuff.

00:27:43.000 If you can't afford to buy anything, there's no trade deficit.

00:27:45.000 You can't actually buy things.

00:27:47.000 Your money doesn't go anywhere.

00:27:48.000 And by the way, what do you think happens to your dollar?

00:27:50.000 It's in a different demarcation than the N. If I send my dollar to China, it doesn't just sit in a bank there. 0.93

00:27:54.000 Eventually, they have to spend the dollar somewhere.

00:27:56.000 That means they have to spend it in the U.S.

00:27:58.000 economy, because we're the only people who use dollars.

00:28:00.000 So, bottom line is this.

00:28:02.000 Do you want better things for cheaper?

00:28:03.000 That's all this is.

00:28:03.000 Do you want better things for cheaper?

00:28:05.000 If you do, free trade is the answer.

00:28:07.000 You have people like Bernie Sanders saying, well, wages are stagnant.

00:28:10.000 We're earning less in the manufacturing sector than we used to.

00:28:13.000 Okay, the number of your wage is irrelevant.

00:28:16.000 It's what you can buy with your dollar that matters.

00:28:18.000 Money is just a substitute for goods.

00:28:20.000 Money is just a substitute for stuff.

00:28:22.000 If I have $100,000 but I live on a desert island, my money is worthless.

00:28:26.000 If I have $100,000 and I can buy lots of cool stuff, that's good.

00:28:30.000 If I have $100,000 and I can shop at any place on earth through the internet, that's even better.

00:28:35.000 Because now my money is worth more stuff.

00:28:38.000 Free trade has made America incredibly powerful.

00:28:41.000 It wasn't tariffs that made America powerful.

00:28:43.000 It's free trade that's made America powerful because we out-compete other people in making great, expensive products.

00:28:49.000 And again, think about it in terms of your own family.

00:28:51.000 Would you prefer that your child was getting subsidized to work in the coal mines, or would you prefer that your kid were working in IT?

00:29:00.000 That your kid were working in Silicon Valley?

00:29:03.000 The answer is, you'd prefer your kid working in Silicon Valley, would you not?

00:29:06.000 The same is true for the entire American economy.

00:29:08.000 We can either tax the people in Silicon Valley in order to pay for the people working in the coal mines, or we can understand that there are certain industries in America that are too expensive to run in America, and we can shift our focus over to jobs that are more cutting-edge, that are higher-end.

00:29:23.000 That's what's happened to the American economy, and the unemployment rate has basically stayed the same.

00:29:27.000 So the idea that there are millions and millions of people putting out of work by technology, yes, this doesn't help the individual who's put out of work.

00:29:34.000 But on a global economic scale, forget global, on an American economic scale, Americans are better off with free trade.

00:29:40.000 Americans are much worse off with tariffs.

00:29:41.000 There's never been a country in history that had high tariffs that ended up succeeding because of the high tariffs.

00:29:46.000 There's never been a country in history that succeeded

00:29:49.000 By devaluing its currency, by inflating its currency.

00:29:52.000 You know, Trump says China's out-competing us?

00:29:54.000 Ask the Weimar Republic how well it worked.

00:29:55.000 Ask Venezuela how well it worked.

00:29:57.000 If it's really such a great idea to just inflate your currency, why is it that the people in the Weimar Republic weren't super wealthy?

00:30:04.000 Why is it that Venezuela has empty shelves everywhere?

00:30:06.000 There's nothing you can buy.

00:30:08.000 So that's sort of the story with free trade.

00:30:10.000 Has nothing to do... Being anti-free trade is not a conservative principle.

00:30:13.000 Okay, so we have one group, the establishment folks.

00:30:16.000 We have a second group, the anti-establishment folks.

00:30:19.000 And then we have a third group, and these are the conservatives.

00:30:22.000 And the problem is the conservatives are split.

00:30:23.000 Because the conservatives know Trump isn't conservative.

00:30:26.000 They also know the establishment isn't conservative.

00:30:29.000 They don't like Trump's agenda, but they also don't like the establishment's agenda, so they're kind of caught in the center.

00:30:35.000 And you can hear that from, for example, Rush Limbaugh, who's a real leader in the conservative movement.

00:30:39.000 Here's what Rush had to say about Mitt Romney attacking Donald Trump.

00:30:43.000 Let's talk about that, because there is a lot of commentary, and some of it coming from conservatives, who say that the Republican Party is in danger of tearing itself apart.

00:30:53.000 We've seen splits many times before over political philosophy, but that's not what's happening this time.

00:30:59.000 This is the establishment, the elite of the party, versus the grassroots base.

00:31:05.000 Exactly.

00:31:06.000 But it really isn't anything new.

00:31:08.000 They were this way with Ronald Reagan before Reagan was elected.

00:31:12.000 They tried to deny Reagan in 76, and they tried to deny Reagan in 1980.

00:31:16.000 They're not conservative.

00:31:17.000 This is... When I hear Governor Romney in his speech last week talk about how the Republican Party must stand for legitimate conservative values, they don't.

00:31:25.000 That's why they're in the problem.

00:31:26.000 They're having the problem they're having.

00:31:28.000 They're not conservative.

00:31:29.000 They're being run by their donors.

00:31:31.000 You look at these primaries so far, do you realize they don't like Cruz either, Chris?

00:31:37.000 In fact, maybe they dislike Cruz more than Trump.

00:31:40.000 But Cruz and Trump are the only guys who don't want anything.

00:31:43.000 The establishment candidates in this race cannot get noticed.

00:31:48.000 The Republican primary voters, whether they're closed primaries or open, are voting for anybody but candidates attached to the Republican establishment.

00:31:58.000 Okay, so what you're hearing from

00:32:00.000 Rush there.

00:32:01.000 What you're hearing there is this split, right?

00:32:03.000 He likes Cruz.

00:32:04.000 He understands Cruz is more conservative.

00:32:06.000 He also hates the establishment, and so he's going soft on Trump.

00:32:08.000 And because of that, you've got this weird situation where conservatives themselves, people like me, are feeling torn.

00:32:16.000 I really dislike Trump, obviously.

00:32:17.000 I said I won't vote for Trump, right?

00:32:19.000 I really dislike Trump, and I'll get to that in a second.

00:32:22.000 But, I also really dislike the establishment.

00:32:25.000 So we're being torn apart because the establishment created the anti-establishment, and the anti-establishment, instead of being conservative, actually reflects the politics of the establishment, they're just ruder about it.

00:32:35.000 And they hate the people in the establishment.

00:32:36.000 So you've got two

00:32:38.000 More left-leaning groups, the anti-establishment and the establishment, the populist anti-establishment and the establishment, tearing at each other, and the conservatives caught in the middle and really have nothing to do with either so much.

00:32:50.000 They hate the establishment, but they also dislike the anti-establishment that's gone full populist.

00:32:56.000 Pro-Trump.

00:32:57.000 Okay, I want to talk about something very briefly.

00:33:00.000 You know, last week I announced I'm not voting for Trump no matter what.

00:33:03.000 I think that Donald Trump is a disaster area for conservatism.

00:33:06.000 And the most common response I've received is that a failure to vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

00:33:12.000 This is not true.

00:33:13.000 I will give you three reasons this is not true.

00:33:15.000 First, basic math.

00:33:16.000 Basic math.

00:33:17.000 No, it's not.

00:33:17.000 Okay, so Hillary and Trump are tied.

00:33:19.000 Let's say that yours is the deciding vote in America.

00:33:22.000 For some odd reason, it's come down to you.

00:33:25.000 And now you have to decide, is it Hillary or is it Trump?

00:33:28.000 If you abstain, does Hillary become president? 0.71

00:33:31.000 No, she doesn't.

00:33:32.000 When you say you're not going to vote for Trump, what you're doing is you're splitting your vote, basically.

00:33:35.000 Your vote is neutral.

00:33:37.000 You're just saying no.

00:33:38.000 You're not saying you're pro-Hillary.

00:33:39.000 You're not saying you're pro-Trump.

00:33:41.000 You're saying neither, right?

00:33:42.000 You're saying a pox on all your houses, I'm not part of this, and you can't peg me to that.

00:33:46.000 So the idea that a vote against Trump is a vote for Hillary is just not true.

00:33:51.000 It's not statistically true.

00:33:52.000 Okay, second point, the ideological.

00:33:55.000 If I don't vote for Trump, it's not a vote for Hillary. 0.60

00:33:57.000 It's not even a statement I think Hillary would be a better president than Trump. 0.90

00:34:00.000 I think Trump probably would be a better president than Hillary because it's hard to imagine somebody being worse than Hillary except President Obama.

00:34:07.000 But my top priority is not defeating Hillary Clinton.

00:34:11.000 It's preserving conservatism for the future.

00:34:14.000 I don't think Trump's going to save the country.

00:34:15.000 I don't think he's even going to reverse the process.

00:34:17.000 I think Trump is just going to walk toward the cliff slightly slower than Hillary Clinton.

00:34:21.000 Maybe, if we're lucky.

00:34:23.000 And I'm not going to side with that.

00:34:25.000 And more than that, I think he'll destroy conservatism from within, as I've talked about.

00:34:29.000 Finally, there's the moral component.

00:34:31.000 If Trump loses to Hillary, that's not my fault.

00:34:34.000 It's funny how this works.

00:34:36.000 All the Trump supporters out there, they say, it's not our fault, the ones who stayed home, it's not our fault Mitt Romney lost to Barack Obama.

00:34:42.000 We stayed home because we didn't like Romney.

00:34:44.000 He didn't appeal to us.

00:34:44.000 Not our fault.

00:34:45.000 If he wanted to win, he should have done a better job.

00:34:47.000 That's true.

00:34:48.000 It's also true that if Donald Trump wants to win, he should do a better job.

00:34:53.000 He should not be a populist demagogue, which is what he is.

00:34:57.000 If he wants my vote, then he can appeal to me.

00:34:59.000 If he doesn't want my vote, he doesn't have to.

00:35:01.000 That's not my fault, that's yours.

00:35:03.000 If you want to vote Donald Trump the nominee, that's your problem, but I don't have to be complicit in it and I'm not going to be forced through blackmail into supporting a candidate who I find to be disreputable.

00:35:13.000 Okay, so a couple of quick notes and then things I like and things I hate.

00:35:17.000 Okay, so

00:35:19.000 First of all, CNN is just terrible at everything.

00:35:21.000 Quick note about the media.

00:35:22.000 CNN is awful at everything.

00:35:24.000 Last night, CNN reported that Marco Rubio was going to drop out of the race.

00:35:28.000 This, it turns out, was not true.

00:35:31.000 They'd already said the same thing about Ben Carson.

00:35:33.000 Here's them doing this report yesterday about the Rubio campaign.

00:35:36.000 Rubio, Alex Conant is the Communications Director for Senator Rubio, who's with us as well.

00:35:42.000 Alex, thanks very much for joining us.

00:35:45.000 Let's talk a little bit about what Jamie Gangel has been reporting, what you're hearing, that Rubio himself, very, very bullish, wants to stay in this race, but some advisors may be wondering if he can't win in Florida, maybe it's best to get out before March 15th.

00:36:01.000 Uh, Wolf, Jamie's report was utter nonsense.

00:36:05.000 She did not contact the campaign prior to coming on the show last hour and reporting that.

00:36:09.000 It is 100% absolutely false.

00:36:11.000 I think CNN is doing a disservice to voters by airing that sort of reporting without even checking with the campaign.

00:36:18.000 Her sources, whatever they are, have no idea what the internal deliberations of the campaign are.

00:36:22.000 Because if she did, she would know that Marco feels confident about Florida.

00:36:26.000 Just a new poll today, a public poll today, should Marco gaining from double digits down two weeks ago, single digits now.

00:36:33.000 We're ahead in the early voting.

00:36:35.000 We're going to be there for the next week.

00:36:36.000 We know how to win in Florida.

00:36:37.000 We're going to win in Florida.

00:36:38.000 Okay, meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle

00:37:04.000 The Hillary Sanders battle continues apace, and it really is just an amazing thing.

00:37:09.000 It's an amazing thing that Republicans are losing to these people, or that they're going to lose to these people.

00:37:14.000 Like, for example, Bernie Sanders, he said that there's no such thing as white poverty.

00:37:19.000 It doesn't exist, right?

00:37:20.000 Today, he reversed himself.

00:37:21.000 He says, no, no, no, I know everything there is to know about white poverty. 0.89

00:37:24.000 Here's Bernie Sanders on white poverty.

00:37:26.000 Look, there is no candidate

00:37:28.000 In this race, Swiss talk more about poverty than I have. 1.00

00:37:31.000 And one of the things that's disturbing, media doesn't often cover that.

00:37:35.000 We have 47 million people in this country living in poverty.

00:37:38.000 That is a higher rate than any other country in the industrialized world.

00:37:41.000 We have the highest rate of child pornography of almost any major country on earth.

00:37:46.000 I talk about poverty all of the time.

00:37:48.000 What I meant by that is that in African-American communities, you have people who are living in desperation, often being abused,

00:37:58.000 Okay, and there he is playing the bongos, Bernie Sanders.

00:38:07.000 This guy is, I mean, he's even undermining his own socialist case on national TV to say black people suffer more than white people and white people don't know what it's like to be impoverished.

00:38:16.000 I don't know what that has to do with racial profiling. 1.00

00:38:20.000 It's a crap show. 0.99

00:38:21.000 I mean, it really is for the Democrats. 1.00

00:38:22.000 Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton also a crap show. 1.00

00:38:24.000 Here's Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:38:25.000 She's asked tough questions about her email server last night, and she looks terrible doing it.

00:38:30.000 You said at a March press conference in 2015, quote, I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email.

00:38:37.000 There is no classified material.

00:38:39.000 So can we say definitively that that statement's not accurate?

00:38:42.000 No, you can't.

00:38:43.000 Here's what happens.

00:38:45.000 The State Department has a process for determining what is or isn't classified.

00:38:51.000 If they determine it is, they mark it as classified.

00:38:54.000 Well, who decides?

00:38:55.000 The State Department decides.

00:38:56.000 But what about you, when you're typing an email?

00:38:58.000 No, the State Department decides what is, and let me go a step further here.

00:39:03.000 I will reiterate, because it's a fact, nothing I sent or received was marked classified.

00:39:09.000 Now, what happens when you ask, or when you are asked to make information public, is that it's reviewed, and different agencies come in with their opinions.

00:39:20.000 As you know, just recently, Colin Powell's emails were retroactively classified from more than 10 years ago.

00:39:31.000 As he said, that was an absurdity.

00:39:33.000 I could not agree more.

00:39:40.000 Okay, so she's all over the place. 0.97

00:39:49.000 She has no good answers to this.

00:39:50.000 But it won't matter because Republicans are too busy clocking each other.

00:39:54.000 And the Democrats, we keep hearing about how extreme Republicans are.

00:39:57.000 You want to hear extreme?

00:39:58.000 Listen to Bernie Sanders on abortion.

00:40:00.000 The Democrats have gone through several debates, not been asked a single question by the media about abortion because it's awkward.

00:40:06.000 Here's Brett Baier asking Bernie Sanders about abortion.

00:40:09.000 Listen to his answer.

00:40:10.000 This is full-on evil right here.

00:40:12.000 Senator, can you name a single circumstance at any point in a pregnancy in which you would be okay with abortion being illegal?

00:40:20.000 It's not a question of me being okay.

00:40:24.000 Thank you for the question, Brett.

00:40:26.000 I happen to believe, and let me be very clear about it, I know not everybody here will agree with me.

00:40:31.000 I happen to believe that it is wrong for the government to be telling a woman what to do with her own body.

00:40:43.000 I love all the women in the background cheering wildly for us.

00:40:46.000 I think, I believe, and I understand there are honest people.

00:40:49.000 I mean, I have a lot of friends, some support us and some disagree with me.

00:40:53.000 They hold a different point of view and I respect that.

00:40:55.000 But that is my view.

00:40:56.000 And I'll tell you something which I don't like in this debate.

00:41:00.000 There are a whole lot of people out there

00:41:03.000 Okay, we need to cut this off now.

00:41:04.000 Okay, so let me explain something to you, Senator Sanders.

00:41:05.000 The government is in power to stop people from murdering each other.

00:41:26.000 End of story.

00:41:28.000 End of story.

00:41:29.000 It's such a dishonest argument by the left.

00:41:31.000 Oh, this is big government now trying to get into the woman's womb. 1.00

00:41:33.000 No, it turns out we don't care about her appendix or her rectum or any other part of her.

00:41:37.000 The only thing that we care about is the baby living in there.

00:41:40.000 Okay, last night I was sitting around, my wife is about, I think she's 26 weeks pregnant, now I think her due date is the end of May.

00:41:46.000 I know her due date is the end of May, it's May 25th.

00:41:48.000 And we were sitting on the couch, and she'd eaten something spicy, and that means that the baby starts jumping.

00:41:54.000 And if you've ever felt a baby kick in the womb, don't tell me that a woman has the right to define whether that's a life or not. 1.00

00:42:02.000 That's the same thing as slavery, the idea that white people got to define whether black people were a life or not, depending on whether you were in Mississippi or Massachusetts. 0.98

00:42:09.000 That's absurd and disgusting. 0.95

00:42:11.000 And when Bernie Sanders does this routine, well, good-hearted people can disagree. 0.81

00:42:14.000 No, good-hearted people cannot disagree.

00:42:16.000 When that baby is kicking in the womb, don't you dare tell me that's not a human being worthy of protection.

00:42:21.000 But this is how extreme Democrats are.

00:42:23.000 This is how extreme Democrats are, and they get away with it. 0.90

00:42:25.000 So while the Republicans are busy slugging it out, I'd much rather spend my time on this show, going after Democrats like Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, who are deeply corrupt and believe evil things about the way the world works.

00:42:36.000 Unfortunately, we first have to decide who we're going to go up against them with.

00:42:42.000 Okay, time for some things I like and some things that I hate.

00:42:45.000 First, some things that I like.

00:42:47.000 If you've never seen, there's a great, great, great movie musical.

00:42:51.000 I think it's the best movie musical of all time.

00:42:53.000 There's really only two that vie for it.

00:42:56.000 It's American in Paris and West Side Story are the two that vie for it.

00:43:00.000 Some people like Singing in the Rain better.

00:43:02.000 They're wrong.

00:43:02.000 It's just not right.

00:43:04.000 American in Paris is a better movie.

00:43:05.000 American in Paris, the music is better.

00:43:07.000 It's Gershwin music.

00:43:08.000 The dancing is better.

00:43:09.000 This is Gene Kelly and Leslie Caron.

00:43:11.000 And I'll point something out after we play a little bit of this clip.

00:43:13.000 It's just, this is from the ballet scene near the end of the movie.

00:43:16.000 And folks, if you want to watch a romantic movie that really is terrific, this is it.

00:43:20.000 It's fun, it's romantic, the music is terrific, the lyrics are... It's just, it's a great, great movie.

00:43:24.000 Here we go.

00:43:42.000 We're good.

00:44:09.000 It's all right.

00:44:31.000 So the whole movie is just spectacular.

00:44:33.000 It's really great.

00:44:34.000 There's so many good scenes.

00:44:35.000 Oscar Levant, who's a classically trained concert pianist, really good pianist, plays Gene Kelly's best friend.

00:44:41.000 You can see Leslie Caron, you can't really see her well here, but she was gorgeous at this point. 0.96

00:44:44.000 I think she was only 18 when she filmed this?

00:44:46.000 She was just a baby.

00:44:47.000 We're good to go.

00:45:03.000 And I am this way in my life with my wife.

00:45:06.000 I actually believe in romance.

00:45:07.000 I think romance is an important thing.

00:45:09.000 And by the way, this is a very sexy scene, okay?

00:45:11.000 This is a sexy movie, it's a sexy scene, and I want to juxtapose that with the vulgarity, with the vulgarity of today's modern sexiness, okay?

00:45:18.000 So Kim Kardashian decided that she was gonna do a naked picture of herself the other day, and this is supposed to be sexy. 0.99

00:45:25.000 It's not.

00:45:26.000 It's just gauche.

00:45:26.000 Okay?

00:45:27.000 Pornography is sexy in the sense that it makes men have sexual thoughts, but let's be real about this. 0.97

00:45:32.000 Any naked woman at any time makes straight men have sexual thoughts. 0.98

00:45:35.000 That doesn't make it sexy.

00:45:36.000 It doesn't make it sensual.

00:45:37.000 It doesn't make it romantic in any way.

00:45:40.000 It doesn't mean that there's the sort of yearning that goes along with romance.

00:45:43.000 It just means that you want to get your rocks off.

00:45:45.000 And you can see, I want to juxtapose two types of dancing.

00:45:48.000 This, which is just beautiful, well-choreographed, and yes, sexy, with Beyoncé.

00:45:55.000 So Beyoncé, um, somebody did this mashup, and this is hysterical.

00:45:59.000 My sister sent this to me, and I could not stop laughing.

00:46:02.000 This is Beyoncé at a recent concert.

00:46:04.000 You'll see that they used different music for Beyoncé, and you'll see precisely why I like this video so much.

00:46:11.000 Here we go, Beyoncé dances. 1.00

00:46:14.000 But first, I gotta read you.

00:46:44.000 Okay, so this is somebody mashed up the chicken dance with Beyonce dancing, and it is exact.

00:46:49.000 I mean, she is doing the chicken dance, but she's doing all these supposedly sexy motions. 1.00

00:46:54.000 Don't tell me Leslie Caron in American in Paris is not more sexy than Beyonce there. 1.00

00:46:59.000 Okay, that's not sexy. 0.78

00:47:00.000 It's pornographic.

00:47:01.000 Yeah, there is a difference again. 0.94

00:47:02.000 It has to do with sex. 0.62

00:47:04.000 It's in the realm of sex. 0.56

00:47:05.000 It has to do with the actual act of sex more, presumably, than what Leslie Caron is doing. 0.52

00:47:09.000 Sex looks a lot more like what Beyonce's doing on the stage there, thrusting her legs open and closed, than it does like Leslie Caron dancing romantically with Gene Kelly. 0.97

00:47:17.000 But when it has to do with romance and love, there's no question.

00:47:20.000 That what is more sensual is the first.

00:47:23.000 And by the way, if you're talking about your wife getting in the mood, there's no question that American in Paris is gonna do it better than a Beyonce concert.

00:47:29.000 The fact is that what romance has become now, romance has been dumbed down because there's a spiritual side.

00:47:34.000 I thought Drew made a great point about this on his podcast several weeks ago.

00:47:37.000 He said rape is a spiritual crime, right?

00:47:39.000 Because the fact is the act of rape is the same thing as the act of sex.

00:47:44.000 It's just there's consent that's missing.

00:47:45.000 So it's a violation of the woman's soul. 1.00

00:47:47.000 It's a violation of her will.

00:47:48.000 It's a violation of her consent.

00:47:50.000 Well, that assumes that there is a will and a soul and a consenting side, and that means that there's a spiritual connection that should be made prior or during the act of sex that has something to do with it.

00:48:02.000 This is why I believe in virginity until marriage.

00:48:03.000 This is why I was a virgin until marriage.

00:48:05.000 It's something I wanted to share with the person, not only that I love, but that I'd already made a lifetime commitment to.

00:48:11.000 And this is why I think that romance is so important, particularly in the context of marriage and leading up to marriage. 0.98

00:48:17.000 Because once you lose the spiritual connection that has to do with sex, you may as well go get a prostitute. 0.99

00:48:21.000 I mean, and that's essentially what our culture has become, and it really is gross. 0.99

00:48:25.000 Okay, couple of things.

00:48:27.000 One more thing, two more things that I like real fast.

00:48:29.000 So these are just funny little things.

00:48:31.000 I don't know if you saw this from the Trump rally the other day.

00:48:33.000 See if you can spot something happened during this Trump speech.

00:48:37.000 You know, see if you can spot it.

00:48:38.000 Is this the gif?

00:48:40.000 Okay, see if you can spot what's going on.

00:48:42.000 Okay, did you miss it?

00:48:46.000 Take a look at the just below Donald Trump's left hand.

00:48:57.000 The people in the background, I'll play it one more time.

00:48:59.000 The guy's right behind Donald Trump on his left side.

00:49:07.000 So, we always like to make fun of the people who come in and do this behind... We did it behind... There was the one behind Hillary.

00:49:14.000 Remember that guy who was making all the crazy faces?

00:49:16.000 So now we got the guys feeding each other what looked like bugles behind Donald Trump during his speech.

00:49:21.000 So I just thought that was funny and I had to show it to you.

00:49:23.000 The other thing that I think is even funnier is what these people did to a Bernie Sanders sign.

00:49:27.000 So I'm not condoning people destroying other people's property, but this is very funny.

00:49:31.000 So somebody cut a Bernie Sanders sign in half.

00:49:34.000 You can't see it if you're listening.

00:49:36.000 They cut a Bernie Sanders sign in half.

00:49:38.000 And they wrote on the other half, they taped a piece of paper that says, I took half of your sign because you had one and I didn't.

00:49:44.000 I'm sure you understand.

00:49:48.000 Classic, that's good stuff.

00:49:50.000 Okay, close with one thing that I hate.

00:49:52.000 So here's the thing that I hate.

00:49:54.000 We already know that J.J.

00:49:55.000 Abrams wants to diversify Star Wars by adding a gay character for no reason, because sexuality is not at the center of the Star Wars universe.

00:50:04.000 It's not something that's deeply important.

00:50:06.000 In fact, last time they tried sexuality, a dude made out with his sister and it was all awkward.

00:50:10.000 So, sexuality has never been at the apex of the Star Wars universe. 0.90

00:50:15.000 However, now we've decided that we have to have transgenders and gays.

00:50:19.000 I mean, first of all, I think we can just call Jar Jar Binks all of those things and be done, right? 0.91

00:50:22.000 I mean, then we just can skip all the rest of it.

00:50:24.000 I mean, it's a woman! 0.92

00:50:26.000 Um, but, but Mark Hamill now says that his iconic character Luke Skywalker could be gay if you want him to be.

00:50:34.000 In an interview with The Sun, he said he believes Skywalker's sexuality is meant to be interpreted by the viewer.

00:50:40.000 I'd say it is meant to be interpreted by the viewer.

00:50:42.000 If you think Luke is gay, of course he is. 1.00

00:50:44.000 You should not be ashamed of it.

00:50:45.000 Judge Luke by his character, not by who he loves.

00:50:56.000 Okay.

00:50:58.000 Does Luke like Aardvarks?

00:51:00.000 It's all up to your interpretation.

00:51:01.000 You don't know.

00:51:02.000 Maybe he likes Womp Rats.

00:51:03.000 Who knows what he was doing?

00:51:04.000 You know, when he says he was shooting Womp Rats back on his home planet of Tatooine, who knows whether this was correct or not? 0.99

00:51:10.000 Maybe that was just a euphemism.

00:51:12.000 Maybe he likes Womp Rats in a different way.

00:51:14.000 Maybe when they were talking about the thermal exhaust port, they were talking about something completely different in Star Wars.

00:51:19.000 Who knows?

00:51:20.000 It's all up to your interpretation. 1.00

00:51:21.000 I hate this kind of crap. 0.99

00:51:23.000 Okay, stories have meaning, words have meaning. 1.00

00:51:25.000 No, Luke isn't gay.

00:51:26.000 There are no implications in any of the original films that he is gay.

00:51:30.000 In all likely, Rey is his daughter, by the way, so that would make things real awkward.

00:51:33.000 But this whole, like, anyone could be gay, it's all depending on your interpretation as to whether they're gay.

00:51:40.000 No, it isn't.

00:51:41.000 Okay?

00:51:42.000 No, it isn't.

00:51:43.000 And if you want to ruin Star Wars, just turn it into, Darth Vader secretly had a thing for the Emperor, and they used to electrify each other at night. 1.00

00:51:50.000 It's so stupid. 0.99

00:51:51.000 But this is what we've become in Hollywood. 0.99

00:51:53.000 Why can't we just have a movie that speaks for itself, as opposed- This is like when J.K.

00:51:57.000 Rowling randomly decided Dumbledore was gay.

00:52:00.000 Who was it?

00:52:00.000 It wasn't Dumbledore.

00:52:01.000 It was the- It was Dumbledore!

00:52:02.000 Okay, so she randomly decided Dumbledore was gay, and no one was- Oh, and everybody was like,

00:52:08.000 What, what does that have to do, like, what was going on in the shed with Harry?

00:52:11.000 It was just, it just made things weird for no reason.

00:52:13.000 Like, you wanna make a character gay, make a character gay. 0.76

00:52:15.000 But don't take iconic old characters and then make them gay for no apparent reason other than you're being politically correct. 0.99

00:52:21.000 It's silly, and it's ridiculous, and it's, and it's just, it's just dumb all the way through. 0.99

00:52:26.000 Well, I'm sure we'll talk more about such things tomorrow. 0.99

00:52:29.000 We'll also talk about the results of today's primaries.

00:52:32.000 There's always more to talk about because the world will keep spinning until Donald Trump carves it into the shape of his face and puts it on your mantle.

00:52:40.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:52:41.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - March 08, 2016

Ep. 85 - Beyonce Isn't Sexy

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