The Ben Shapiro Show - August 14, 2017


Horror in Charlottesville | Ep. 361

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Charlottesville Trump Richard Spencer Antifa Jared Taylor Barack Obama Donald Trump Milo Yiannopoulos David Duke Steve Bannon Joseph Goebbels H.R. McMaster Newt Gingrich Vox Dei Ring Buford Furrow Bill Maher Breitbart Keck Sheryl Gay Stolberg Ku Klux Klan and 22 more
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Ben Shapiro explains the roots of the alt-right, the role of Antifa, and how mainstream media misperceive what the Alt-Right is. He also takes a look at President Trump's response to the events in Virginia, and why he failed to take full responsibility for the chaos that broke out in the streets of the city on the day after the white supremacist Unite the Right rally in Virginia. And he explains the relationship between the Alt Right and the SJW's and the mainstream media's refusal to acknowledge the evil that is Antifa. Ben Shapiro is the host of The Ben Shapiro Show on Fox News Radio and host of the Daily Wire. He is also a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, CBS, and other media outlets, and is a frequent contributor to The Daily Wire and the Daily Caller. His new book, Antifa: What's the Deal with Antifa? is out now. is available in Kindle and paperback. If you haven't already read it, you can get a copy of the book for only $99.99 at amazon.co/TheBenShapiro or you can buy it for 99.99, including shipping and handling fees, plus shipping fees, at Amazon Prime and Vimeo for $99, and free shipping. you get 20% off the purchase price plus free shipping throughout the rest of the month. You'll get an ad-free version of the show for a year, plus a free copy of his new book called "Antifa: Antifa Is the Real Deal" for free on Audible, wherever you get it's available. Free shipping is also available for free. and all Audible Prime memberships are available for purchase, including Vimeo Prime, Vimeo is selling for $19.99. The Real Deal is selling a maximum of $99 or Vimeo gets you an additional $99 plus Vimeo membership gets you 5GBs and Audible gets you 4GBs, plus they get $99 gets $99 Plus they'll get $49+ they get the show an ad on the show, they also get a Prime Video Plus they get a $24th place, they'll also get $29+ gets an ad discount, and they also gets $24GBs for the show starts starting at $99 and they get VIP access to watch the show on Prime Video starts after they get my ad-only deal. Learn more about the show.

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00:00:00.000 A horrific, horrific weekend.
00:00:01.000 We'll tell you everything you need to know about what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia and violence breaking out all over the country.
00:00:06.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:00:07.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:15.000 Okay, so we have just an enormous amount to get to today.
00:00:17.000 I want to explain to you the roots of what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.
00:00:20.000 I want to explain to you the violence of Antifa.
00:00:22.000 I want to explain to you the violence of the alt-right and what the alt-right is and why people on the right are misperceiving what the alt-right is.
00:00:29.000 We're going to go through all of that, so it's going to be a very difficult show.
00:00:32.000 I mean, I don't want to, you know, pitch this badly, but the fact is that we're going to go through a lot of very difficult and nasty material today because, unfortunately, what we saw in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend
00:00:42.000 Is the apotheosis of the nastiness that's been building in our country for the last several years and it came to a head on Saturday in Charlottesville.
00:00:49.000 So we'll talk about all of that.
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00:02:07.000 Okay, so I first want to go through what exactly happened in Charlottesville and then President Trump's response, who the various players are.
00:02:14.000 By the end of today's show, you're going to need to know, you're going to know everything that you need to know about the current status of relations between the social justice warrior left and the alt-right.
00:02:22.000 You're going to know everything you need to know about the Trump administration and their relationship with the alt-right.
00:02:26.000 You're going to know what the alt-right is by the end of today's show.
00:02:29.000 So today's a very information-driven show. 0.99
00:02:31.000 And also, I have to say that there are just so many garbage people who refuse to acknowledge evil on any side. 0.98
00:02:39.000 You have the left refusing to acknowledge the evil of Antifa. 0.98
00:02:41.000 You have the right, many on the right, refusing to acknowledge the evils of the alt-right or trying to blame the evils of the alt-right on the SJWs.
00:02:48.000 It is possible to hold two thoughts in your mind at the same time. 0.71
00:02:52.000 The social justice warrior left, the Antifa, race politics, intersectionality left, is vile, and Antifa is getting violent, and all of this has been true for months, and the alt-right is a vile, disgusting, repulsive, utterly morally inconceivable movement. 0.93
00:03:06.000 The alt-right is a horrible movement.
00:03:08.000 And just because you think you're alt-right doesn't actually mean you're alt-right.
00:03:10.000 We're going to explain to you what the roots of the alt-right are, where it came from, how it was mainstreamed, and who mainstreamed it.
00:03:15.000 And we're going to talk about President Trump's response to all this.
00:03:17.000 So, let's just jump right in.
00:03:18.000 Let's start with what actually happened.
00:03:20.000 So here's some of the video.
00:03:22.000 On Saturday, there was something called Unite the Right.
00:03:23.000 Unite the Right was an event organized by people like Richard Spencer, a bunch of white supremacists decide that they are going to, white separatists, white nationalists, decide they're going to put together this march in Charlottesville, Virginia.
00:03:35.000 And they get
00:03:36.000 I guess about a thousand people to show up on Friday night. 0.99
00:03:38.000 They have a torchlight parade holding tiki torches and it's a bunch of nerdy losers who have never been laid in their lives showing up to to talk about how black people are awful and they think this makes them cool. 0.99
00:03:50.000 They did that on Friday night and then in Charlottesville the next day they're doing a march and things take a turn for the worse. 0.97
00:03:56.000 Antifa shows up and some of the protesters I'm sure are people who are not Antifa.
00:04:00.000 They just want to protest the white supremacy
00:04:02.000 White supremacism that they're seeing on display.
00:04:05.000 And some of the people definitely are Antifa.
00:04:06.000 The violent people are Antifa.
00:04:08.000 It's sort of like what happened at Berkeley when Milo Yiannopoulos spoke there.
00:04:12.000 You had some leftist protesters who showed up and then Antifa came in and decided to make the whole thing violent.
00:04:17.000 We've seen this sort of thing happen all over the country.
00:04:20.000 So that's nothing new.
00:04:20.000 We saw that happen at Berkeley and we've had on people on the show who were victims of that violence in Berkeley.
00:04:25.000 We've seen it happen in Sacramento, California.
00:04:28.000 We saw it happen in Seattle again over the weekend, so we're going to show you some of this footage.
00:04:32.000 So, here is a little bit of the video of Antifa getting violent in Charlottesville on Saturday.
00:04:42.000 So you can see, it's hard to tell which protesters are which.
00:04:45.000 Some of the white supremacists carrying Confederate flags.
00:04:49.000 I guess some of them had Nazi flags. 1.00
00:04:52.000 Just disgusting people walking down the street. 0.94
00:04:54.000 I don't know. 0.79
00:05:12.000 So it turns into a melee.
00:05:14.000 First thing that you do have to ask is where the hell are the police?
00:05:17.000 Where the hell are the police?
00:05:18.000 I mean, this is a legitimate question to be asking at this point.
00:05:20.000 You know, we've seen these sorts of violence incidents break out again.
00:05:23.000 They did in Seattle over the weekend.
00:05:24.000 So we'll show you some tape of that.
00:05:26.000 They've been breaking out all over the country and the police seem to either be overwhelmed or to have stand down orders.
00:05:31.000 I don't know where the governor of Virginia is knowing this is going on, but this is a situation where the National Guard should be there.
00:05:36.000 Listen. 0.96
00:05:36.000 The alt-right is disgusting, awful, okay? 0.96
00:05:38.000 I've been spending a year- I was the number one target of the alt-right last year in the journalistic community. 0.97
00:05:42.000 I received over 8,000 nasty, anti-semitic, racist tweets directed at me in the middle of last year's election cycle, specifically because I was anti-alt-right.
00:05:50.000 And they still have a right to speak
00:05:53.000 And they still have a right to march and they should be protected by the police.
00:05:56.000 So I don't know where the police are in any of this.
00:05:58.000 But what's funny is that you can see Antifa jumping into action and getting violent.
00:06:01.000 The left has tried to suggest that Antifa was not involved in the violence in any way.
00:06:05.000 Now, Antifa being involved in the violence does not justify either the perspective or the violence you're going to see from the alt-right.
00:06:11.000 None of that justifies any of this.
00:06:13.000 But it would be remiss, factually speaking, to pretend that Antifa was not involved in this.
00:06:18.000 Antifa is a communist group.
00:06:19.000 Antifa is basically a bunch of reds fighting a bunch of brownshirts. 0.82
00:06:22.000 So we're now having a replay of the Weimar Republic, reds versus brownshirts, on American streets. 0.97
00:06:27.000 One of the things that was amazing is that a reporter for the New York Times acknowledged as much.
00:06:31.000 A reporter for the New York Times, Sheryl Gay Stolberg, she tweeted out, The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right.
00:06:38.000 I saw club-wielding Antifa beating white nationalists being led out of the park.
00:06:42.000 Okay, and a bunch of people on the left then hit her and they said, well, they weren't hate-filled.
00:06:46.000 They weren't hate-filled.
00:06:47.000 And she retracted and she said, oh, they weren't hate-filled.
00:06:49.000 They were just violent.
00:06:51.000 You know, they can be hate-filled too.
00:06:53.000 And that is a New York Times reporter saying all that.
00:06:55.000 Okay, so you can see some of the violence it looks like was launched by Antifa, but some of the violence obviously was coming from the white supremacists too.
00:07:01.000 Here's some of the white supremacists getting violent.
00:07:02.000 I guess this is another point during this during this march.
00:07:09.000 You can see the white supremacist guy charging into the crowd.
00:07:13.000 People hitting each other.
00:07:14.000 You can tell they're white supremacists because they're carrying this shield. 0.97
00:07:17.000 This white supremacist shield. 0.93
00:07:18.000 It's a white shield with a black cross on it. 0.83
00:07:22.000 People beating the hell out of each other.
00:07:27.000 Folks with Confederate flags and all the rest of this.
00:07:31.000 Okay, now you can see.
00:07:32.000 Okay, so that's enough of that one.
00:07:33.000 You can also see that some of the people who were arrested in Charlottesville were members of the left.
00:07:40.000 So again, I'm trying to point out that the violence at the beginning was on both sides.
00:07:43.000 Then we'll get to the actual murder, okay?
00:07:44.000 So, the violence was on both sides in this particular instance.
00:07:48.000 That's not to say that people who are anti-white supremacy are the same morally as people who are white supremacists.
00:07:53.000 They're not.
00:07:54.000 And it's also not to say that reds are the same as everybody who's in the crowd, because that's not true either.
00:07:58.000 But, it is fair to say that violence on all sides is not appropriate in a civilized society.
00:08:03.000 Here is clip 26.
00:08:04.000 One of the guys arrested in Charlottesville was a counter-protester who punched a female reporter.
00:08:28.000 I'm recording!
00:08:29.000 We're good.
00:08:31.000 Hey, look.
00:08:33.000 Okay, so you can't really see much there, but the woman who's holding the camera is a reporter, and she's socked in the head by one of the Antifa, presumably, counter-protesters.
00:08:41.000 This is not rare.
00:08:42.000 Okay, so to pretend that the left is not violent in these situations is just, it's just dishonest.
00:08:46.000 Okay, so you can see that the Charlottesville organizer, right, people were celebrating this, but the organizer of this Charlottesville march, he was doing a press conference on Saturday after all of this, and he was punched in the face and chased off the grounds.
00:08:57.000 Where were the cops for all of this?
00:09:02.000 There he is, this twerp.
00:09:03.000 They're getting chased off the grounds.
00:09:06.000 And then you'll see someone come in and clock him.
00:09:17.000 Okay, so they chase him away.
00:09:18.000 Again, is any of that justified in a civilized society?
00:09:22.000 No, it really is not. 1.00
00:09:24.000 This guy's a piece of crap. 1.00
00:09:26.000 That doesn't mean he gets to punch pieces of crap in the United States. 1.00
00:09:32.000 Right, there he goes down. 1.00
00:09:33.000 Okay, so, again, the violence... So, again, the violence was happening from both the left and the right here.
00:09:40.000 And, by the way, it's happening across the country from the left, okay?
00:09:43.000 So, in Richmond, there was a photojournalist who was covering another one of these rallies, and the photojournalist was hit by a member of Antifa.
00:09:49.000 Here's clip 27.
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00:09:53.000 We fight for gay, gay, gay! 0.82
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00:09:54.000 We're gay! 0.88
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00:09:55.000 We're here! 0.88
00:09:55.000 We're gay! 0.88
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00:09:56.000 We're here!
00:09:56.000 We're gay!
00:09:57.000 We fight for gay, gay, gay!
00:09:57.000 We're here!
00:09:57.000 We're gay!
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00:09:58.000 We're here!
00:09:59.000 We're gay! 0.82
00:09:59.000 We fight for gay, gay, gay! 0.82
00:10:00.000 We're here! 0.88
00:10:00.000 We're gay! 0.88
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00:10:02.000 We're here!
00:10:03.000 We're gay! 0.82
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00:10:03.000 We're here! 0.82
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00:10:06.000 We're here! 0.88
00:10:06.000 We're gay! 0.88
00:10:07.000 We fight for gay, gay, gay!
00:10:07.000 We're here!
00:10:08.000 We're gay! 0.82
00:10:09.000 We fight for gay, gay, gay!
00:10:09.000 We're here!
00:10:10.000 We're gay! 0.82
00:10:11.000 We fight for gay, gay, gay!
00:10:12.000 We're here 1.00
00:10:21.000 And the Antifa protesters show up and start beating the crap out of people.
00:10:32.000 The police are trying to protect the people who are marching. 0.71
00:10:38.000 And you can see they're starting to be hit by the left-wing protesters.
00:10:43.000 The police are being hit by the left-wing protesters.
00:10:48.000 Okay, so this sort of stuff has been happening all over the country.
00:10:50.000 The left has been ignoring it because they prefer to focus in on the narrative about right-wing violence. 1.00
00:10:54.000 Now, to pretend that right-wing violence doesn't exist is stupid. 1.00
00:10:57.000 Okay? 1.00
00:10:58.000 It does.
00:10:58.000 Okay, when I say right-wing, I mean alt-right, because there is a difference between constitutional conservatism, as I'll explain, and the alt-right.
00:11:04.000 The alt-right is anti-SJW, but they are not
00:11:08.000 Conservative.
00:11:08.000 In any marked way, in any real way, they oppose the Declaration of Independence.
00:11:12.000 They oppose the Constitution of the United States.
00:11:14.000 They're not in favor of individual liberty.
00:11:15.000 They're not in favor of equality before God.
00:11:18.000 They're not in favor of any of those things.
00:11:19.000 We'll explain what the alt-right is in just a second.
00:11:21.000 So to call it right-wing violence is, even there, a bit of a misnomer.
00:11:24.000 But, of course, the most important and horrifying thing that happened on Saturday was the tape we've not yet shown, and this is an actual tape of a murder taking place. 0.97
00:11:33.000 This is a 20-year-old piece-of-crap alt-righter from Ohio who takes his car and rams it into a bunch of the protesters against the alt-right in Charlottesville. 0.96
00:11:42.000 Here's the actual tape of it. 1.00
00:11:47.000 Here comes the car.
00:11:48.000 You see him.
00:11:48.000 He actually accelerates into the crowd.
00:11:52.000 One dead, 19 injured.
00:11:54.000 And then, people crowd around behind the car.
00:11:58.000 And the guy reverses and comes back at 40 miles an hour down the street.
00:12:08.000 In a second, I'm going to explain to you what exactly the alt-right is, where it came from, why it's important, and why it is that everyone of good conscience has an obligation to call out the alt-right for what it is, how it got prominent.
00:12:30.000 Because I think the difference here, what we're seeing now, and this is the problem,
00:12:34.000 There have been white supremacists my entire life.
00:12:37.000 There's a guy named Buford Furrow, who when I was probably 11 years old, let's see, it was 97 I think, so maybe I was a little younger, maybe it was 95 or something.
00:12:45.000 Buford Furrow was a white supremacist who came in to Los Angeles.
00:12:49.000 He scoped out the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
00:12:51.000 I went to high school next to the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
00:12:53.000 He scoped it out. 0.99
00:12:54.000 Because he wanted to shoot a bunch of Jews. 1.00
00:12:55.000 When he saw there was security, he left. 0.99
00:12:57.000 He went over to the JCC in the West Valley, and he proceeded to shoot a bunch of people at the JCC in the West Valley.
00:13:02.000 White supremacist violence has been a thing in the United States for a long time.
00:13:06.000 Since 2001, there have been an enormous number of white supremacist attacks on people.
00:13:12.000 In the past few months, there have been an enormous number of white supremacist attacks on people.
00:13:15.000 To pretend that these don't exist is to ignore reality.
00:13:18.000 It's not to suggest that they're the only people committing violence, but who cares?
00:13:23.000 That's not the point.
00:13:24.000 The point is that there are a group of white supremacists who do commit violence, and they were always a fringe group.
00:13:29.000 But now you're seeing white supremacists, people who hold that ideology, marching openly in the streets, celebrating, and something has changed.
00:13:36.000 And we're going to talk about what has changed in just a second, but first,
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00:15:05.000 Okay, so, let's start off with this.
00:15:08.000 What is the alt-right?
00:15:09.000 So the alt-right is marching in the streets, and the alt-right is, supposedly, there's a lot of misperception.
00:15:16.000 People on the left are calling everyone on the right alt-right and saying everybody's a Nazi. 1.00
00:15:19.000 That's absolute garbage. 1.00
00:15:20.000 Okay, the alt-right is its own movement. 1.00
00:15:22.000 The alt-right is a group of white supremacists who believe, essentially, that Western civilization is an outgrowth of white race, and that threats to white race are a threat to Western civilization.
00:15:31.000 That's the basic premise.
00:15:33.000 Of the alt-right.
00:15:34.000 Okay, a lot of people think they're alt-right now because they like memes, or because they believe in the god of Keck, right?
00:15:39.000 Keck is this, like, memery that you see on 4chan and Reddit.
00:15:42.000 And a lot of people who think that if they post a frog, that makes them a member of the alt-right.
00:15:46.000 That's not what the alt-right is.
00:15:48.000 The alt-right has a basic root philosophy.
00:15:50.000 What happened over time is that the alt-right was mainstreamed by a group of people who decided to broaden the definition to include people who liked frog memes.
00:15:58.000 Okay, they decided to broaden the definition, and then they used that broadened definition in order to make the claim, basically, that they were a big movement that had a lot of support.
00:16:06.000 And then you saw people like Donald Trump and Steve Bannon, yes, the President of the United States, yes, his chief strategist, give legitimacy to the alt-right and refused to condemn them in the middle of the campaign, which gave them added impetus.
00:16:17.000 And now you see them marching openly in the streets.
00:16:19.000 So, was Charlottesville Trump's fault?
00:16:21.000 No, of course Charlottesville wasn't Trump's fault, any more than what happened in Dallas a year ago.
00:16:25.000 It was Barack Obama's fault where a guy who believed a lot of the slogans of Black Lives Matter went out and shot a bunch of cops.
00:16:31.000 You're only responsible for violence if you are rhetorically calling for violence.
00:16:34.000 Trump has never done that.
00:16:36.000 What he is responsible for, in some degree, is mainstreaming the alt-right and not treating them as a cancer to be excised from the conservative movement that they really are.
00:16:46.000 And again, I'm talking about what the alt-right actually means.
00:16:49.000 Not what you think it means.
00:16:51.000 People in the media think it means the media has an interest in pretending the alt-right's a big movement that includes people like me.
00:16:55.000 Two weeks ago, they were labeling me alt-right.
00:16:56.000 Okay, I was the number one target of the alt-right in 2016.
00:16:59.000 That's fully insane.
00:17:00.000 And then there are a bunch of people in the alt-right who have a drive to call people alt-right who aren't because that way they get to claim that they're a bigger movement than they are.
00:17:08.000 But here's what the alt-right actually is.
00:17:09.000 So,
00:17:10.000 Some of the supposed thought leaders of the alt-right are people like Jared Taylor.
00:17:13.000 Jared Taylor is the creator of American Renaissance, which is a racist website.
00:17:17.000 And here is Jared Taylor talking about what exactly the alt-right is.
00:17:20.000 Why don't we let the leaders of the alt-right define what the alt-right is.
00:17:22.000 Here is Jared Taylor.
00:17:24.000 As a long-standing member of the alt-right, this is how I see it.
00:17:29.000 We are a broad, dissident movement that includes many different websites, organizations, and viewpoints.
00:17:36.000 Some members hold distinctive positions on sex roles, trade and free markets, forms of government, and foreign policy.
00:17:45.000 But they all agree on one thing.
00:17:48.000 Equality is a dangerous myth.
00:17:51.000 The alt-right is united in rejecting the current dogma that all races are equal.
00:17:57.000 Races are different.
00:17:59.000 They differ in average levels of intelligence.
00:18:02.000 They do not build identical societies.
00:18:05.000 And there is no reason to think non-whites can maintain Western civilization, the civilization that whites created. 1.00
00:18:13.000 Okay, so that is Jared Taylor pointing... I mean, that's a very good synopsis of what the alt-right believes.
00:18:17.000 And he's not the only one who says this. 0.99
00:18:18.000 Richard Spencer, one of the guys who was at this rally yesterday, a sort of Nazi-sympathizing piece of garbage. 0.98
00:18:24.000 Here is Richard Spencer also summing up what the alt-right is. 0.97
00:18:29.000 Well, I would describe it, if I could sum it up in one word, I would say identity.
00:18:34.000 It is an identitarian movement.
00:18:36.000 It's an identity politics for white people in North America and really around the world.
00:18:42.000 So that's what the alt-right is, just in one sentence or a bumper sticker.
00:18:46.000 Okay, okay, and he's not the only one either.
00:18:48.000 Vox Dei, who's another member of the alt-right, again one of the alt-right thought leaders.
00:18:51.000 All these guys are very active online.
00:18:53.000 All these guys are very active in promoting their perspective.
00:18:56.000 They have a lot of followers on places like 4chan and Reddit, and they latched onto Trump for a reason I'll explain in a second.
00:19:01.000 Here's Vox Dei making the same exact description as Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer.
00:19:06.000 People tend to look at our Richard Spencer, who is the head of the National Policy Institute, and also some guys like Ramsey Paul,
00:19:17.000 Some people even look at Mencius Moldbug and Nick Lan, but they're really more nail reactionaries than alt-right proper.
00:19:27.000 And some folks have even looked at me, I think probably because Milo called me an alt-right figurehead a few months ago.
00:19:34.000 Okay, so this should be a fringe movement, right?
00:19:37.000 A bunch of people who believe that equality before law is not a thing, that racial equality is not a thing, that even the concept of people being equal as individuals is not a thing because we are all characterized by our race.
00:19:48.000 So, this was a fringe movement.
00:19:50.000 The left has made it more of a movement because the left has embraced an identity politics of its own.
00:19:54.000 The left has basically said, okay, you are a white male.
00:19:57.000 You white males, you exist because of white privilege, and therefore you must be moved out of power.
00:20:03.000 Right? 0.70
00:20:03.000 We have identity politics. 0.70
00:20:04.000 And so a lot of white people, people like Vox Day and Spencer and Taylor, they say in response, okay, well, you have your identity politics, we'll have our identity politics, we'll have white identity politics.
00:20:12.000 We will be a group of people who stands up for white pride because white people are awesome.
00:20:17.000 This has been the response.
00:20:19.000 And that has come along with a lot of anti-SJW stuff.
00:20:22.000 So a lot of people who are just anti-SJW, anti-social justice warrior, but who aren't believers in racial inequality and racial disparity, who aren't advocates of racism and anti-Semitism, a lot of those people
00:20:35.000 They fell into the trap of thinking that they are allies of people like Vox Day and Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor.
00:20:41.000 And there have been a couple of figures who have been very prominent in helping to mainstream the alt-right.
00:20:44.000 One of these, unfortunately, is a guy who directed a lot of his sort of alt-right followers at me on Twitter and became very popular, Milo Yiannopoulos.
00:20:52.000 So, Milo is very popular.
00:20:53.000 He's very popular because a lot of the stuff
00:20:56.000 That he said on campus a year ago about feminism.
00:21:00.000 A lot of it is irreverent and some of it is funny and all of it is crazy and out of the box and he says inflammatory things deliberately and all of this, okay?
00:21:08.000 But Milo was very, very instrumental in mainstreaming the alt-right and treating the alt-right as an intellectual movement that ought to be respected and given its fair hearing.
00:21:16.000 This was his shtick, right?
00:21:17.000 His shtick was he was going to pander to the alt-right.
00:21:19.000 He later came out and said, I separate off from the alt-right, they're not me.
00:21:23.000 I have problems with the alt-right, but that didn't stop him from going on national television and talking up the alt-right and saying he just wanted to give them a fair hearing.
00:21:28.000 Here he is on CNBC last year doing exactly this.
00:21:32.000 No, I mean, I've never identified as the alt-right.
00:21:34.000 The press seems determined to crown me the queen of it.
00:21:37.000 All I've done is give them a fair hearing in the press.
00:21:39.000 I think that white identity and white nationalism is a little misleading.
00:21:42.000 I think it's more accurate to say that the alt-right cares about Western supremacy rather than white supremacy.
00:21:47.000 It cares about Western values.
00:21:48.000 It cares about liberal, capitalist, Western democracy.
00:21:51.000 Democratic values, freedom, equality, that kind of thing.
00:21:54.000 And it sees, you know, various threats to those on various fronts.
00:21:57.000 Okay, so you see what he's doing here, okay?
00:21:59.000 Milo knows better than this, okay?
00:22:00.000 Because he's been dealing in these circles for a long time.
00:22:02.000 He apparently used to call himself Milo Wagner, okay?
00:22:04.000 Milo knows what he is doing here.
00:22:06.000 And what he is doing here is he's broadening the definition of alt-right.
00:22:09.000 It's very clever.
00:22:10.000 He's broadening the definition of alt-right on national television to now encompass a larger group.
00:22:14.000 And this serves two people, right?
00:22:15.000 Or it serves two groups.
00:22:16.000 It serves the alt-right itself, which now gets to claim a larger constituency.
00:22:20.000 I don't know.
00:22:42.000 A month after I left Breitbart.
00:22:44.000 And here's what Milo wrote.
00:22:45.000 Quote.
00:22:45.000 There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads.
00:22:49.000 Alternative right is a term coined by Richard Spencer.
00:22:52.000 That is alt-right.
00:22:53.000 Alt-right stands for alternative right. 1.00
00:22:54.000 There are many things that separate the alternative right from old-school racist skinheads to whom they are often idiotically compared. 0.99
00:22:59.000 But one thing stands out above all else. 0.99
00:23:01.000 Intelligence. 0.96
00:23:02.000 Skinheads, by and large, are low-information, low-IQ thugs driven by the thrill of violence and tribal hatred. 0.96
00:23:07.000 The alternative right are a much smarter group of people 0.98
00:23:10.000 Which perhaps suggests why the left hates them so much.
00:23:12.000 The left doesn't hate them because they're racist.
00:23:13.000 The left hates them because they're dangerous.
00:23:15.000 They're dangerously bright.
00:23:16.000 This is all Milo, okay?
00:23:17.000 This is Milo writing.
00:23:18.000 The media empire of the modern-day alternative right coalesced around Richard Spencer during his editorship of Takis Magazine.
00:23:24.000 In 2010, Spencer founded AlternativeRight.com, which would become a center of alt-right thought.
00:23:30.000 Alongside other nodes of Steve Saylor's blog, VDARE and American Renaissance, Alternative Right became a gathering point for an eclectic mix of renegades who objected to the established political consensus in some form or other.
00:23:41.000 You see what's happening here?
00:23:43.000 Do you see how evil what's happening here is?
00:23:45.000 Taking the philosophy, the evil philosophy, of people like Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer and Vox Day.
00:23:49.000 Milo wrote the foreword to Vox Day's book, okay?
00:23:52.000 They're taking the political philosophy that Milo knows well and then broadening it out to suggest that it applies to everyone who wants to defend Western civilization.
00:23:59.000 I want to defend Western Civilization.
00:24:01.000 I've spent my entire career defending Western Civilization.
00:24:03.000 I've spent my entire career defending the Declaration and the Constitution.
00:24:07.000 My original break with Milo online actually came over, not over the Michelle Field stuff or the Trump stuff or any of that stuff, they deleted his account so you should be able to look it up, but it came originally over Milo suggesting that constitutional conservatism was dead and ought to be replaced by the alternative right.
00:24:23.000 That's where the break came, on Twitter.
00:24:25.000 So it's...
00:24:27.000 What he did here by mainstreaming the alt-right was create the feeling that they were a burgeoning movement.
00:24:32.000 It wasn't just Milo, there were other people doing it too.
00:24:34.000 Steve Bannon, who at the time was running Breitbart, which was making Milo its star figurehead.
00:24:38.000 Steve Bannon said, we are the meeting place for the alt-right.
00:24:40.000 He celebrated that they were the meeting place for the alt-right.
00:24:42.000 Then he became the head of Trump's campaign and now he's the chief strategist at the White House.
00:24:47.000 And meanwhile, President Trump, and yes, Trump bears some responsibility in the growth of the alt-right, President Trump
00:24:53.000 We'll just go right through the timeline.
00:24:55.000 He continually, during the campaign, refused to disassociate from alt-right figures or even racist figures.
00:25:01.000 I hate to go back and play this stuff, but it's now relevant.
00:25:05.000 Here's a flashback.
00:25:06.000 This is from March 2016, the same month that Milo wrote this piece.
00:25:11.000 This is Trump refusing to denounce the KKK and David Duke.
00:25:17.000 Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, okay?
00:25:20.000 I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists.
00:25:26.000 So, I don't know.
00:25:27.000 I mean, I don't know, did he endorse me, or what's going on?
00:25:30.000 Because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke, I know nothing about white supremacists, and so you're asking me a question that I'm supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about.
00:25:41.000 But, I guess the question from the Anti-Defamation League is,
00:25:45.000 Even if you don't know about their endorsement, there are these groups and individuals endorsing you, would you just say unequivocally you condemn them and you don't want their support?
00:25:55.000 Well, I have to look at the group.
00:25:57.000 I mean, I don't know what group you're talking about.
00:25:59.000 You wouldn't want me to condemn a group that I know nothing about.
00:26:02.000 I'd have to look.
00:26:03.000 If you would send me a list of the groups, I will do research on them, and certainly I would disavow if I thought there was something wrong.
00:26:09.000 But you may have groups in there that are totally fine, and it would be very unfair.
00:26:13.000 So give me a list of the groups, and I'll let you know.
00:26:16.000 Okay, and then Tapper kept repeating, Ku Klux Klan and Trump wouldn't go there.
00:26:20.000 Okay, that was not the only time Trump did this.
00:26:21.000 Trump was asked on national television by Wolf Blitzer on CNN about denouncing anti-Semitic attacks on a journalist named Julia Jaffe.
00:26:28.000 I haven't read the article, but I heard it was a very inaccurate article.
00:26:32.000 And I heard it was a nasty article.
00:26:34.000 I'm married to a woman who's a very fine woman.
00:26:36.000 She's a very fine woman.
00:26:37.000 She doesn't need this.
00:26:38.000 Believe me.
00:26:39.000 She was very, very successful.
00:26:40.000 She did tremendously well as a top model. 0.99
00:26:43.000 She made a lot of money. 0.92
00:26:45.000 And she's a nice person.
00:26:47.000 And I guess some of the article says that she would go in at night and she would stay.
00:26:51.000 She wasn't a party person.
00:26:53.000 She, you know, it's not her thing.
00:26:55.000 But this was a very, this is a very high quality woman who loves people and has a big heart.
00:27:01.000 She doesn't need to be have bad things said about her. 0.85
00:27:03.000 And I heard the article was nasty.
00:27:06.000 Now, I haven't read it, but I heard the article was not
00:27:10.000 We're good to go.
00:27:34.000 I don't have a message to the fans.
00:27:35.000 A woman wrote an article that was inaccurate.
00:27:39.000 Now I'm used to it.
00:27:40.000 I get such bad articles.
00:27:41.000 Okay, so again, there's another incident where Trump did this.
00:27:44.000 And again, Steve Bannon at the same time talking about how his website is the meeting place for the alt-right.
00:27:49.000 And so what happens is that the alt-right believes that because Trump is anti-political correctness and because he's anti-SJW and because he keeps
00:27:56.000 refusing to denounce the alt-right in any sort of vigorous terms, and Trump never has a problem denouncing his enemies in vigorous terms, they begin to latch on to him.
00:28:04.000 And that's not entirely Trump's fault, but it's at least partially Trump's fault.
00:28:08.000 And so that's why in Charlottesville you see David Duke marching around talking about how Charlottesville is really about Trump.
00:28:14.000 What does today represent to you?
00:28:16.000 The camera's right here.
00:28:17.000 What does today represent to you?
00:28:18.000 How you doing?
00:28:19.000 This represents a turning point for the people of this country.
00:28:24.000 We are determined to take our country back.
00:28:27.000 We're gonna fulfill the promises of Donald Trump.
00:28:31.000 That's what we believed in.
00:28:32.000 That's why we voted for Donald Trump.
00:28:33.000 Because he said he's going to take our country back.
00:28:36.000 And that's what we gotta do.
00:28:37.000 Okay, so...
00:28:38.000 The fact is, okay, and these are unpopular things to say, I know, I know a lot of the people who listen to the show voted for Trump.
00:28:44.000 I'm not blaming you for voting for Trump.
00:28:45.000 I never blamed anyone for voting for Trump to stop Hillary Clinton.
00:28:48.000 But to pretend that Donald Trump didn't have to do with looking the other way with a lot of this stuff during the campaign would be just factually untrue.
00:28:56.000 It would be factually untrue.
00:28:57.000 And I think it's important for us as constitutional conservatives to call out bad things when they happen.
00:29:02.000 To call out evil ideologies when they crop up.
00:29:04.000 The alt-right is an evil ideology. 0.50
00:29:06.000 This ideology that says white nationalism. 0.67
00:29:08.000 This ideology that says that race is inseparably tied from ideology.
00:29:12.000 That's what I hate about the left.
00:29:14.000 I hate the identity politics of the left.
00:29:15.000 And I don't believe in the identity politics of the right. 0.70
00:29:17.000 It's evil. 0.64
00:29:18.000 It's nasty.
00:29:19.000 You think I stand with the people who are flying Nazi flags and Confederate flags and David Duke marching around?
00:29:25.000 Why is this difficult? 0.89
00:29:26.000 This is the easiest thing in the fricking world to denounce.
00:29:29.000 Just denounce it. 0.97
00:29:29.000 What the hell is wrong with people? 0.97
00:29:32.000 And this idea that we went for a year without denouncing it, or making excuses for it, or patting it on the head because we thought it was an important movement, an important constituency.
00:29:39.000 You know what?
00:29:40.000 It's not an important constituency.
00:29:41.000 It's like five people.
00:29:42.000 Number one, it's not a lot of people.
00:29:44.000 Number two, even if it were a million people, even if it were five million people, even if it were 30 million people,
00:29:49.000 You do not pander to the worst people the planet has to offer.
00:29:53.000 You do not pander to Americans who don't understand what Americanism and promote an ideology that is contra-Americanism.
00:30:00.000 You do not do that for political gain.
00:30:01.000 That is sick and it is vile.
00:30:03.000 Okay?
00:30:04.000 And there were a lot of people who were doing it during the campaign.
00:30:06.000 And it's continued now, and should stop immediately.
00:30:09.000 And even people on the right now know this, okay?
00:30:11.000 A lot of people on the right now know- Now, listen.
00:30:13.000 I feel the same way about the left.
00:30:14.000 When it comes to the left, who won't denounce Antifa.
00:30:16.000 When it comes to the left, that won't denounce the Marxist intersectionality philosophy that they've been promulgating.
00:30:22.000 When the left won't announce riots in Ferguson or Baltimore.
00:30:24.000 When the left continues to pretend that violence in places like- in places like Berkeley and Sacramento and Seattle and Richmond and Charlottesville, coming from the left, when they pretend all of that is no problem at all, the only problem is that of the right?
00:30:36.000 All they're doing is pushing people into the arms of the alt-right.
00:30:40.000 You have two vile movements pushing more and more people into each other's arms.
00:30:43.000 It's horrifying. 0.91
00:30:45.000 It's horrifying and disgusting.
00:30:46.000 I'm going to get to Trump's response in just a second.
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00:31:52.000 So why is all of this relevant?
00:31:54.000 It's relevant because, you know, we don't have to go nuts every time a horrible thing happens in the United States.
00:31:58.000 People are killed by evil people in the United States every day.
00:32:01.000 We do have to call it out when we see that the President of the United States once again refuses to openly call out the alt-right.
00:32:09.000 Okay, I know that President Trump, and I don't think it's coming out of any sort of sympathy for the alt-right.
00:32:12.000 I don't think that Trump is an alt-righter.
00:32:14.000 I don't think that Trump is a racist.
00:32:15.000 I don't think he's an anti-Semite.
00:32:16.000 I do think that President Trump has this unfortunate and kind of gross Achilles heel where anybody
00:32:22.000 Who supports him in any way.
00:32:24.000 Anybody who's been warm to him gets warm treatment from Trump.
00:32:27.000 And anybody who's mean to him gets nasty treatment from Trump.
00:32:30.000 Alright, the proof and point is we'll hear Trump's statement in just a second.
00:32:34.000 But, this morning, the head of Merck, the Merck CEO, a guy named Kenneth Frazier, who's a black guy, the only member of President Trump's commission, I think it's his panel on American manufacturing, or his council on American manufacturing, he resigned this morning because of Trump's comments, which he felt didn't go far enough, and Trump promptly went on Twitter and denounced him and suggested that he was involved in price fixing.
00:32:55.000 We condemn in the strongest possible terms
00:33:24.000 This egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides.
00:33:30.000 On many sides.
00:33:32.000 It's been going on for a long time in our country.
00:33:36.000 Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama.
00:33:39.000 It's been going on for a long, long time.
00:33:43.000 It has no place in America.
00:33:45.000 What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives.
00:33:53.000 No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society.
00:34:00.000 And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.
00:34:13.000 Okay, and then he continued.
00:34:14.000 He was specifically asked about white supremacism and he just walked away from the podium apparently.
00:34:18.000 Here he is talking about how hate and division have to stop.
00:34:21.000 I just got off the phone with the governor of Virginia, Terry McAuliffe, and we agreed that the hate and the division must stop, and must stop right now.
00:34:34.000 We have to come together as Americans with love for our nation, and true affection, really, and I say this so strongly, true affection
00:34:45.000 For each other.
00:34:45.000 Okay, so this is milquetoast nonsense, okay?
00:34:48.000 Well, what he's saying here is milquetoast nonsense, and the reason it's milquetoast nonsense is not because we shouldn't call for unity. 0.74
00:34:53.000 We should. 0.69
00:34:53.000 But this would be a good time to call out all of the bad people. 0.69
00:34:56.000 You know, Trump spent an enormous amount of time over the last five years saying that Barack Obama refused to call out radical Islam.
00:35:02.000 That was true, and Trump has been very strong and forthcoming and correct in calling out the dangers of radical Islam. 1.00
00:35:08.000 He should be just as forthcoming in calling out both the alt-right for what it is and Antifa for what it is.
00:35:13.000 There's nothing wrong with him getting up there and saying the alt-right represents an evil, racist movement. 0.95
00:35:17.000 It's an evil, racist ideology. 1.00
00:35:19.000 It's disgusting. 0.99
00:35:20.000 And use of violence is unjustified in any civilized country.
00:35:26.000 And he could say the same thing, or something similar, with regard to the Antifa Marxist group that seems to believe that everybody who they disagree with ought to be protested, not only protested, who cares about protests, that's fine, but punched.
00:35:38.000 He could have said all those things.
00:35:39.000 It's not difficult.
00:35:39.000 None of this is hard.
00:35:41.000 None of this is difficult.
00:35:43.000 But Trump didn't do that.
00:35:43.000 So he said all this, and everybody went, wait, that was it?
00:35:47.000 That's all you got?
00:35:48.000 And we can hear the rest of his statement.
00:35:51.000 So many incredible things happening in our country.
00:35:56.000 So when I watch Charlottesville, to me it's very, very sad.
00:36:02.000 Above all else, we must remember this truth.
00:36:05.000 No matter our color,
00:36:08.000 Creed, religion, or political party, we are all Americans first.
00:36:15.000 We love our country.
00:36:18.000 We love our God.
00:36:19.000 We love our flag.
00:36:20.000 Okay, so it's a bunch of just stuff, right?
00:36:22.000 I mean, he just says a bunch of stuff.
00:36:23.000 And if Obama had done the same thing, and he did do the same thing, I ripped him up and down at the time.
00:36:27.000 Go back.
00:36:28.000 Listen to my podcast after the Dallas shootings.
00:36:30.000 I did the exact same thing at the time.
00:36:31.000 In fact, here was Barack Obama doing something very, very similar after the Dallas shootings.
00:36:36.000 The FBI is already in touch with the Dallas police and anyone involved in these senseless murders will be held fully accountable.
00:36:46.000 Justice will be done.
00:36:49.000 I will have more to say about this as the facts become more clear.
00:36:52.000 For now, let me just say that even as yesterday I spoke about our need to be concerned as all Americans about racial disparities in our criminal justice system,
00:37:07.000 I also said yesterday that our police have an extraordinarily difficult job, and the vast majority of them do their job in outstanding fashion.
00:37:22.000 I also indicated the degree to which we need to be supportive
00:37:28.000 Okay, at no point in here did Obama ever even come close to condemning the ideology that police are the bad guys.
00:37:34.000 At no point did he come out and say that.
00:37:36.000 In fact, at the funeral for the Dallas Slane, he came out and reiterated that police officers were what was driving the entire conflict.
00:37:43.000 At the time, I said, this is disgusting what Obama's doing.
00:37:47.000 Go back and listen to it.
00:37:48.000 At the time, I said this.
00:37:49.000 Okay, so nothing new under the sun.
00:37:51.000 But it doesn't matter if it's coming from left or from right.
00:37:53.000 Evil people, evil ideologies should be condemned full-throatedly.
00:37:57.000 This is not difficult.
00:38:00.000 It's not difficult.
00:38:01.000 Okay, so the media, of course, have gone over, have gone insane over all of this, like beyond even what is necessary.
00:38:07.000 I think this is a critical moment for the country.
00:38:10.000 Apparently President Trump is going to speak momentarily about Charlottesville, probably try to put a band-aid, some ointment on the boo-boo.
00:38:15.000 It's a little bit late.
00:38:16.000 Okay, he should have done this by Saturday.
00:38:18.000 I don't understand why this happened.
00:38:19.000 Okay, the White House came out later and they made some sort of statement suggesting, well, he really meant that he condemned the alt-right when he said his statement.
00:38:26.000 Why doesn't he just come out and say that?
00:38:27.000 Why didn't he just come out and say that?
00:38:28.000 Why wait 48 hours to do a presser? 0.97
00:38:31.000 It's ridiculous. 0.64
00:38:31.000 There's no reason for that. 0.64
00:38:33.000 And his silence means something to the bad guys, okay?
00:38:35.000 Here's the Daily Stormer.
00:38:36.000 This is an actual neo-Nazi website.
00:38:38.000 Quote, Trump outright refused to disavow.
00:38:40.000 People saying he cucked.
00:38:42.000 Cucked means people like me, who don't like racism and anti-Semitism. 0.96
00:38:46.000 We are cucks, according to the alt-right slang. 0.98
00:38:49.000 Again, not to bring Milo up again, Milo sent me a picture of a black baby on the day of my son's birth because I was a cuck. 0.97
00:38:54.000 Because I didn't sufficiently support the alt-right agenda or President Trump. 0.99
00:38:57.000 The idea behind the alt-right word cuck is that people like me are for race mixing and therefore are fine with my wife having sex with a black man. 1.00
00:39:04.000 That's the idea. 1.00
00:39:05.000 So that's what the language means.
00:39:06.000 People saying he cucked are shills and kikes. 0.99
00:39:09.000 That's the actual word they use. 0.74
00:39:11.000 He did the opposite of cuck.
00:39:12.000 He refused to even mention anything to do with us.
00:39:15.000 When reporters were screaming at him about white nationalism, he just walked out of the room.
00:39:19.000 Okay, that may be unfair to Trump, but that's what the white nationalists are seeing.
00:39:22.000 That's what the white supremacists are seeing, which is why it is important for good leaders, powerful leaders, to come out and condemn evil when they see it.
00:39:30.000 For God's sake, it's not difficult!
00:39:32.000 It's not difficult.
00:39:34.000 The media, of course, says that Trump shares responsibility for what happened in Charlottesville.
00:39:38.000 That I disagree with.
00:39:39.000 Again, I think Trump shares responsibility for the growth of the alt-right.
00:39:43.000 I think that Obama shared responsibility for the growth of the Black Lives Matter movement and for the intersectional SJW movement.
00:39:49.000 But to suggest that Trump shares responsibility for the violence, again, Trump has not espoused violence, so that's just a left-wing talking point.
00:39:55.000 Here's Koki Roberts making that point, though.
00:39:57.000 Who shares responsibility in this?
00:39:59.000 Who shares responsibility?
00:40:00.000 It's not only the man, it's not only the movement, but anybody that points their fingers at Mexicans and Muslims shares responsibility as well.
00:40:07.000 The president has to share responsibility.
00:40:09.000 The fact is, is that through that campaign, he blew all kinds of whistles that those of us who grew up in the Jim Crow South, like I did, recognized immediately.
00:40:18.000 It was just calling out to these white supremacists who then felt empowered by it.
00:40:23.000 And the president now not calling them out.
00:40:25.000 You know, he should listen to Nikki Haley, his now UN ambassador.
00:40:29.000 She's the person who started bringing down Confederate monuments.
00:40:33.000 And she did it so graciously in exactly the right tone.
00:40:37.000 Here she is talking about confederate monuments as though it's confederate monuments that are really driving all of this.
00:40:43.000 The confederate monuments have been around for a long time.
00:40:45.000 It's not the confederate monuments that are driving all of this.
00:40:48.000 I think there's good arguments to be made on both sides of the confederate monument issue, but I don't think that the argument is that Trump created the violence in Charlottesville because that's not right.
00:40:56.000 By the same token, you have people from the right defending Trump's response.
00:40:59.000 Tom Bossert is one of Trump's aides and he gives an absurd explanation for Trump's comments.
00:41:04.000 The President not only condemned the violence, and stood up at a time and a moment when calm was necessary, and didn't dignify the names of these groups and people, but rather addressed the fundamental issue.
00:41:16.000 And so Jake, what you need to focus on is the rest of his statement.
00:41:20.000 The President didn't just call for human beings to respect one another, which is his pragmatist core fundamental bare minimum, but he called for ideally Americans to love one another, for all God's children to love one another.
00:41:31.000 Okay, that idea that he didn't want to dignify the alt-right by naming them?
00:41:35.000 He didn't want to dignify them?
00:41:36.000 It's absurd.
00:41:36.000 Trump did an entire speech last week on MS-13.
00:41:38.000 Okay, his whole point, over and over, has been that you must name the bad guys, otherwise you can't fight them.
00:41:44.000 He's only said that 1,000 times over the course of his career.
00:41:49.000 H.R.
00:41:49.000 McMaster, there's a desperate attempt by someone in the White House to try and cover for this, and that's fine.
00:41:53.000 I mean, I think that Trump needs to correct this as soon as possible.
00:41:55.000 I assume he's doing that right now as we speak.
00:41:57.000 Here's H.R.
00:41:58.000 McMaster trying to pretend that Trump actually did a sufficient job.
00:42:02.000 Well, the president's been very clear.
00:42:03.000 We cannot tolerate this kind of bigotry, this kind of hatred.
00:42:07.000 And what he did is he called on all Americans to take a firm stand against it.
00:42:12.000 This is a great opportunity for us to ask ourselves... Can you stop it right there?
00:42:15.000 What is it?
00:42:15.000 What is it?
00:42:16.000 Okay?
00:42:16.000 Take a stand against it?
00:42:17.000 Against bigotry?
00:42:18.000 Against hatred? 0.83
00:42:19.000 This is the same sort of nonsense that Trump kept saying was unacceptable throughout his campaign. 0.99
00:42:23.000 You can't just say that radical Islam is just hatred or bigotry. 0.99
00:42:26.000 You have to say what it is.
00:42:27.000 What is the problem?
00:42:29.000 Even Anthony Scaramucci, the mooch, was on TV yesterday. 0.99
00:42:31.000 Even when we've lost Newt Gingrich.
00:42:33.000 Newt Gingrich said Trump should have been stronger on this.
00:42:35.000 And then the mooch came out and said that Trump should have been stronger on this. 1.00
00:42:37.000 When you've lost the mooch and Gingrich, that's a pretty good indicator you didn't do a good job with this. 0.99
00:42:41.000 I think you needed to be much harsher as it related to the white supremacist and the nature of that.
00:42:46.000 I applaud General McMaster for calling it out for what it is.
00:42:49.000 It's actually terrorism, and whether it's domestic or international terrorism, with the moral authority of the presidency, you have to call that stuff out.
00:42:57.000 Okay, so, I think that in the end, what we're watching in the United States, and this is the scary part, what we're watching right now, and this is why strong, powerful, moral leadership is necessary,
00:43:08.000 If we don't, if we're not careful, we're going to end up with a red versus brown shirt situation in the United States. 0.89
00:43:13.000 That's what you're watching on the streets in Charlottesville.
00:43:15.000 It's what you're seeing in Seattle.
00:43:16.000 It's what you're watching, not in Seattle so much.
00:43:18.000 They're just seeing reds, not even brown shirts.
00:43:20.000 But it's what you've been seeing in places including Berkeley or Sacramento.
00:43:26.000 You're seeing an alt-right movement that is racist in nature, fighting a red movement that is violent in nature, and they're going right at each other.
00:43:33.000 And all that happens is that people play off one another for power.
00:43:36.000 To understand the rise of the Nazis, and we're not in that moment, I hope. 0.61
00:43:39.000 I hope to God.
00:43:41.000 But to understand the rise of the Nazis, you have to understand most Germans did not believe in the Nazi Party.
00:43:45.000 Most Germans just hated the Reds for taking over towns and threatening the country.
00:43:49.000 And so they thought that the Nazis would stop them.
00:43:52.000 This is some tape of Joseph Goebbels making exactly the same sorts of points that Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor and Vox Dei like to make.
00:43:59.000 Here is Joseph Goebbels talking about how he and the Nazis are going to end the Red Terror.
00:44:04.000 It was called the Red Terror in 1931, 1932.
00:44:06.000 Hundreds of people were killed in street battles between the SA, which was Hitler's stormtroopers, and the Reds, which were the communists.
00:44:13.000 Here is Joseph Goebbels, one of the most evil men in history, talking about this.
00:44:17.000 He says, the end of the Red Terror is closer than you think. 0.66
00:44:25.000 Communists expect to get the worst drubbing you've ever had.
00:44:31.000 Then you see the cheering throngs.
00:44:36.000 This is the 1933 election.
00:44:36.000 This is the 1933 election.
00:44:37.000 They're even flying the same... We can stop it there.
00:44:39.000 That, of course, is...
00:44:47.000 Tape from the Nazi era.
00:44:50.000 They're even flying the same flags.
00:44:51.000 You saw Nazi flags in Charlottesville, you saw Communist flags in Charlottesville.
00:44:55.000 It is so easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
00:44:58.000 The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.
00:45:00.000 They may also be an enemy of Western civilization.
00:45:03.000 It is possible that in a fight between Nazis and Communists, everyone is bad. 0.57
00:45:07.000 It is possible that both ideologies are vile.
00:45:10.000 It is possible that violence on all sides is vile.
00:45:13.000 And if we don't have leadership that can say all this, then I don't know what to tell you.
00:45:17.000 Not just in vague terminology, not just everybody has responsibility, not just violence and bigotry on all sides.
00:45:21.000 No.
00:45:22.000 Call out the ideology, because if you don't do that, people are going to label conservatives alt-right, people are going to label liberals SJW left, and we're all going to just polarize into these two opposite camps that are the worst of the worst.
00:45:33.000 Okay, so very quickly, time for some things I like and then some things I hate.
00:45:38.000 Things I like.
00:45:39.000 If you don't know anything about the history of the Third Reich and how it rose, and why this is all very, very dangerous, you need to read William Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, A History of Nazi Germany. 0.54
00:45:49.000 It's, I would say, the second best book on the history of Nazi Germany that I've read.
00:45:54.000 The best is this three-part series by Richard Evans, but this is a very deep, detailed book by a guy who was present in Nazi Germany during the rise of the Nazi Party.
00:46:03.000 Again, the book is The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.
00:46:04.000 It is a slog.
00:46:05.000 It is a very long read.
00:46:06.000 It's like 900 pages.
00:46:07.000 But when you finish, you'll be more scared for civilization when you finish than you are now.
00:46:12.000 As well you should be because civilization is a fragile thing and what we are watching is the greatest civilization in history and tension simmering under the surface that threaten to tear it apart.
00:46:21.000 Okay, time for a quick thing I hate.
00:46:27.000 The thing that I hate today is Bill Maher on Friday night.
00:46:30.000 He dislikes President Trump so much that he is hoping the stock market crashes so that Trump falls apart.
00:46:36.000 Here's Maher making this case.
00:46:38.000 I thought he would crash the stock market, and I still think he will.
00:46:43.000 I'm hoping, actually, because that's one thing that would maybe lose him a lot of support in the Republican Party.
00:46:50.000 But I thought and predicted, and I was wrong, that the stock market hates volatility and uncertainty, and who is more volatile than Donald Trump?
00:47:01.000 But I guess I underestimated their greed, because they still want their tax cut.
00:47:06.000 Okay, so again, one of the big problems here is that the left is so focused on taking down President Trump, they don't actually want what's good for the country.
00:47:14.000 And I would say that there are people on the right who sometimes are so focused on protecting President Trump that they don't want what's good for the country either.
00:47:20.000 How about we all want what's good for the country and we all want policies from our politicians and moral stances from our politicians that are good for the country.
00:47:27.000 And if people don't uphold those moral stances on either side, we call them out.
00:47:31.000 This is not difficult politics.
00:47:33.000 is valuable.
00:47:34.000 Politics is necessary.
00:47:35.000 Politics reflects deeper values.
00:47:37.000 But if we can't share values of decency, if we can't share values of freedom and liberty to say what we want, if we can't share values where we hope for prosperity for the country, then we're just doing it wrong.
00:47:50.000 We're just doing it wrong.
00:47:50.000 We've become nihilists.
00:47:51.000 And God forbid we should become nihilists and destroy the greatest civilization the world's ever known.
00:47:55.000 We'll be back tomorrow.
00:47:56.000 I'm hopeful that President Trump will correct his errors of the weekend.
00:47:59.000 I hope that President Trump forcefully condemns the alt-right and begins his separation from them as well he needs to do.
00:48:04.000 We'll talk about it either way.
00:48:06.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:48:06.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.