The Ben Shapiro Show - The Aftermath Of Charlottesville | Ep. 362

00:00:00.000 The latest on Charlottesville, the latest on Antifa, the latest on the alt-right, and people tearing down Confederate memorials for no apparent reason.

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00:00:15.000 Another day, another world full of terribleness, and we will discuss all of it from left to right and right to left and all the things in between.

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00:01:50.000 I just want to remind everyone of how terrible what happened in Charlottesville over the weekend was.

00:01:53.000 There was some new footage that came out yesterday that we weren't able to show on the show because it came out later. 0.97

00:01:58.000 Here is drone footage of what happened in Charlottesville when this 20-year-old piece of crap decided to drive his car into a crowd of anti-Neo-Nazi, anti-Neo-Confederate, anti-alt-right protesters. 0.93

00:02:17.000 You can see it from the south. 0.99

00:02:21.000 Right, you can see this red car being pushed into the crowd, and people being killed.

00:02:27.000 One person died from this, and another 19 were injured.

00:02:32.000 Pretty frightening and horrifying.

00:02:34.000 And then, of course, the car reversed itself and drove off in the other direction.

00:02:38.000 Just horrifying stuff.

00:02:39.000 Okay, so, with that in the background, we're going to get to a lot today.

00:02:43.000 I want to talk about President Trump's new response.

00:02:45.000 Yesterday, he finally came out and gave a speech that he should have given on Saturday, and then his activities afterward, which were not helpful to him.

00:02:52.000 We're going to talk about the left, which has lost its mind.

00:02:54.000 So, the left always was going to turn this into a referendum on the entire right.

00:02:58.000 It doesn't matter.

00:02:59.000 The people like me have been the lead antagonist of the alt-right for well over a year.

00:03:03.000 They were always going to turn this into some sort of club that they could wield against the entire right, and against the Trump administration in particular, claiming that everyone in the Trump administration must be smeared with this broad brush of alt-rightism and racism and bigotry.

00:03:16.000 And that is really nasty, and actually it's exacerbating the problems.

00:03:19.000 What you're seeing is two sides, as I spoke about yesterday.

00:03:22.000 Antifa on the one side, and the alt-right on the other side, and the mainstream left

00:03:28.000 Focus on the alt-right and willingness to adhere to Antifa and the mainstream right's willingness to ignore the alt-right and their willingness to go after Antifa alone means that both the alt-right and Antifa will grow.

00:03:40.000 We're now in a self-perpetuating cycle where Antifa says we have to stop the fascists and then they act violently and the right says

00:03:46.000 Well, we're going to side with anybody who acts violently the way these Antifa people are.

00:03:49.000 The alt-right must not be that bad.

00:03:50.000 Which, of course, leads the left to say, well, Antifa must not be that bad because the alt-right represents a broad swath of the right, and therefore we have to fight them tooth and nail because Hitler's around the corner.

00:03:59.000 And they just keep re-enshrining the importance of one another.

00:04:03.000 And you can see it from the left.

00:04:04.000 So the left's activities in the aftermath of Charlottesville have been absolutely egregious.

00:04:09.000 Not just the stuff they're saying, the stuff that they're doing.

00:04:11.000 We'll start with the stuff they're saying.

00:04:12.000 Joy Reid over at MSNBC, she came out yesterday and she said white nationalists are everywhere, they're behind your bed, they're behind your curtains, they're inside your closet, and they're all over the White House.

00:04:21.000 Here's Joy Reid making this case.

00:04:23.000 What is the alt-right?

00:04:24.000 It's a dressed-up term for white nationalism.

00:04:27.000 They call themselves white identitarianism.

00:04:29.000 They say that the tribalism that's sort of inherent in the human spirit ought to be also applied to white people.

00:04:35.000 That is who is in his government.

00:04:37.000 Sebastian Gorka, who wore the medal of a Tessie Rand, a Nazi organization, being paid by the taxpayer in the government of Donald Trump.

00:04:45.000 Okay, so the two people that you mentioned are particularly bad examples.

00:04:47.000 Sebastian Gorka is not anti-semitic.

00:04:49.000 The stories about him

00:05:05.000 Hanging out with the far right in Hungary.

00:05:08.000 There's some truth to him hanging out with the far right in Hungary But there's no evidence of his anti-semitism per se and and the attempts to to link the metal that he's been wearing around to Nazism are really overblown There was a whole article in the that debunked the debunked the article in the floor And I think it's from the Atlantic that debunked a lot of this stuff

00:05:26.000 So the Gorka's a bad example. 0.78

00:05:27.000 And Michael Anton, as much as I dislike Michael Anton's writing, and think his Flight 93 election essay was garbage, he is not a white nationalist. 0.89

00:05:34.000 And so she's picking bad examples. 0.55

00:05:35.000 It just demonstrates how the left is tempted to use the alt-right brush to paint everyone.

00:05:39.000 Rich Lowry, who's sitting there, actually went on to chide Joy Reid for doing exactly that. 0.97

00:05:44.000 And it's just, it's just foolish of the left to do this.

00:05:47.000 Because the more they do this, the more they push more people into the arms of the alt-right. 0.51

00:05:50.000 A lot of people say, well, if the alt-right is people like Michael Anton and Sebastian Gorka, I guess maybe I'm alt-right.

00:05:54.000 No, you're not, because those guys aren't really alt-right, okay?

00:05:57.000 The alt-right is Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, they're a bunch of popularizers who have tried to mainstream it by changing the definition, and the left is helping out in that quest.

00:06:05.000 Meanwhile, you see the Black Lives Matter co-founder coming out and saying that hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment.

00:06:10.000 This is an actual threat to the First Amendment of the United States.

00:06:13.000 We saw yesterday, Texas A&M canceled some sort of rally, this white nationalist rally.

00:06:19.000 under threat of violence.

00:06:20.000 This is scary, okay? 0.99

00:06:21.000 It's not just scary because they're white supremacists, but it's scary because free speech is a right that all of us have, even the people who I think are garbage and have terrible, terrible views. 0.98

00:06:30.000 Here's Black Lives Matter saying that if Tate's speech, then it's not protected by the First Amendment. 0.98

00:06:34.000 Eminently untrue.

00:06:35.000 White nationalists are actually fighting to take away people's rights.

00:06:40.000 Black Lives Matter and groups like Black Lives Matter are fighting for equality.

00:06:46.000 And hate speech, which is what we're seeing coming out of white nationalist groups, is not protected on the First Amendment rights.

00:06:54.000 And so I think that's important that we really delineate what's happening right now.

00:07:00.000 Okay, that's not true, number one.

00:07:01.000 Okay, hate speech is, of course, protected by the First Amendment. 0.74

00:07:04.000 And when it comes to BLM trying to claim that only one side is promulgating hate speech, there are videos of people at BLM rallies shouting, pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon, talking about cops.

00:07:15.000 You remember that it was a guy who was very sympathetic to the means and motives of BLM who shot a bunch of cops in Dallas a year and a half ago.

00:07:22.000 I'm not saying BLM is to blame for that, I am saying that BLM's program is hardly

00:07:27.000 Uh, is- is hardly a nothing, okay?

00:07:28.000 It's- it's hardly just, we're trying to defend lives.

00:07:31.000 They've been incredibly anti-cop, they've incentivized people in Ferguson and Baltimore to riot, uh, and- and yet they say that all of their enemies must be shut down.

00:07:38.000 This is the danger point, okay?

00:07:39.000 We're reaching the danger point where- where people on the left say that the alt-right has to be legitimately shut down, not for violence, but because of what they say, and people on the alt-right say that people on the left, like Antifa,

00:07:50.000 Our representative of the entire left, okay?

00:07:52.000 We're really at a Weimar Republic point where you're seeing battles in the streets and they've been going on for months and you're seeing the left exacerbate this.

00:07:58.000 So I understand that the media's, all of their sympathy is with the left here because they think that Antifa is not that bad, many of them.

00:08:05.000 They think Antifa is just anti-fascist.

00:08:07.000 That's not just what Antifa is.

00:08:08.000 It's a communist anarchist group that has protested

00:08:11.000 Normal conservatives, normal Republicans in Portland.

00:08:14.000 Peter Beinart, who I usually despise, wrote a great piece over at the Atlantic talking about what Antifa has done in cities like Portland, where just a normal group of Republicans wanted to march in their Rose Parade, and the entire Rose Parade had to be cancelled because Antifa was threatening.

00:08:27.000 Okay, so you've got a bunch of violent people in the streets from Antifa, and a bunch of violent people from the alt-right, sometimes in response, like in Sacramento, and sometimes, as in Charlottesville, it's unclear who's actually starting the violence, we just don't know yet, but it's not getting better when the left cheers on people who are moving outside the modes of law in order to enact their supposed agenda.

00:08:47.000 So, here's some video.

00:08:48.000 Yesterday, this happened over in Durham, North Carolina, and here's a picture, here's video of protesters toppling

00:08:56.000 Confederate soldiers' monument.

00:08:57.000 You can see how this is working.

00:08:59.000 They're toppling the monument, destroying the monument, and then cheering like they've done something grand and glorious, and then kicking the statue because, Ma, I broke my toe fighting racism.

00:09:20.000 The statue was dedicated in 1924.

00:09:24.000 Authorities greased the statue with cooking spray to help make it harder to climb.

00:09:28.000 Then they stood around while this happened.

00:09:30.000 We're the cops for all of this.

00:09:36.000 Okay, so the people united will never be defeated.

00:09:38.000 It's divided, guys.

00:09:39.000 I mean, if you're gonna get your chance, get it right.

00:09:41.000 And then they're all standing around, there's video of these people jumping on top of the statue and kicking the statue.

00:09:46.000 Congratulations, you ended racism by tearing down a Confederate statue nobody knew about or cared about and was erected in 1924.

00:09:52.000 I'm sure that you didn't embolden the alt-right in any way by doing this sort of thing.

00:09:57.000 By vandalizing property.

00:09:59.000 Again, there's a case to be made, and I've said this before, I certainly see the case for taking Confederate monuments 1.00

00:10:06.000 And moving them into museums, moving them off of public property.

00:10:11.000 I see the case for that.

00:10:12.000 I don't see the case for destroying it.

00:10:13.000 This looks like, you know, it's not like ISIS because these people aren't ISIS, but there's an attempt in the human soul to rip away history that you don't like.

00:10:23.000 Supposedly because you're going to fix the future, but that's not the case.

00:10:26.000 I mean, honestly, you know, I live as a Jew.

00:10:29.000 I live in a world where Auschwitz still exists in Germany.

00:10:31.000 I want that to exist in Germany.

00:10:33.000 I want people to visit it.

00:10:34.000 I want people to know that the threat of Auschwitz is still a thing and that people should be aware of that.

00:10:40.000 I fully understand why a lot of black folks and a lot of white folks would like to see Confederate monuments taken away because it's a reminder of an era when slavery was fought and defended.

00:10:51.000 At the same time, you have to acknowledge that a lot of the people who had great-grandfathers who fought for the Confederacy were not fighting for slavery.

00:10:58.000 There were a lot of Confederates who were fighting because they thought that the North was encroaching on southern states' rights.

00:11:04.000 Okay, I understand that this is a historic, what I'm saying is historically accurate, but may not be popular.

00:11:10.000 The fact is that the Civil War was over slavery, but it was also over states' rights.

00:11:13.000 It was over both of those things, and to pretend that it was only over one of those things is to neglect the actual history of the situation, because the fact is that even when the North went into the Civil War,

00:11:21.000 We're good to go!

00:11:41.000 To pretend that people who have confederate ancestors, when they see a confederate monument, immediately think of enslaving black people is just not true and it's not accurate, at least for the vast majority of them.

00:11:54.000 Tearing down statues like this.

00:11:56.000 Again, we have a rule of law in this country.

00:11:58.000 You want to do this?

00:11:59.000 Vote for people who are going to remove the memorial.

00:12:01.000 Vote for people who are going to remove the memorial.

00:12:03.000 Don't just destroy things.

00:12:04.000 But I think this, what we're seeing here, is actually part of the same movement that wants to chip Woodrow Wilson's name off buildings at Princeton, and wants to tear down statues of Thomas Jefferson.

00:12:12.000 And that's a very dangerous ideology.

00:12:14.000 And then, beyond that, the violence that you're seeing here, the vandalism that you're seeing, where are the cops?

00:12:19.000 You know, tearing down monuments and breaking the law to do so.

00:12:22.000 We have a democracy.

00:12:24.000 We have a republic.

00:12:25.000 And the mayors of Lexington and Baltimore, they're removing Confederate monuments.

00:12:29.000 They're elected officials.

00:12:29.000 They can do that.

00:12:31.000 This idea that you're going to go around tearing down monuments and that this is somehow similar to tearing down monuments of Saddam Hussein in the aftermath of Saddam Hussein's fall is just inane. 0.98

00:12:40.000 It's just inane. 0.52

00:12:41.000 And all it's doing is emboldening the alt-right, which is going to a lot of people and saying, look at these vandals, these people who have no respect for America's history, because yes, the Confederacy was a dark part, but a part of America's history. 0.98

00:12:53.000 And to pretend that it wasn't is historically ignorant.

00:12:55.000 You're emboldening people on the alt-right. 0.63

00:12:57.000 This sort of behavior is not purposeful.

00:12:59.000 This sort of behavior is not helpful.

00:13:01.000 You want to protest against the alt-right?

00:13:03.000 By all means do it.

00:13:04.000 You want to protest racism?

00:13:05.000 By all means do it.

00:13:07.000 Tearing down public property is not the way to do this.

00:13:10.000 All you're doing is driving people against you.

00:13:13.000 And it's driving, again, this cycle of nastiness.

00:13:17.000 These examples go on and on.

00:13:18.000 Yesterday, over in New York, a bunch of protesters protesting at Trump Tower because they didn't like Trump's statement over Charlottesville.

00:13:25.000 Fine, fair.

00:13:26.000 But then, there was this video of this woman screaming at the cops for no apparent reason.

00:13:30.000 Those Nazis said that we're doing what we were told!

00:13:33.000 That's not fair to you guys! 0.99

00:13:34.000 Have a f***ing backbone! 0.94

00:13:36.000 Thank you! 0.95

00:13:46.000 You roll your eyes because you're f***ing weak! 0.94

00:13:49.000 Because you know you're wrong! 1.00

00:13:50.000 Because you think you're a man and you can roll your eyes at a f***ing young woman! 1.00

00:13:53.000 Roll your eyes! 0.99

00:13:54.000 Your suit doesn't f***ing protect you! 0.59

00:14:01.000 What a delightful person. 0.97

00:14:02.000 Screaming at people who are trying to protect the President of the United States at Trump Tower and saying that they are the bad guys.

00:14:07.000 Again, none of this is helpful to the anti-racist cause.

00:14:11.000 None of this is helpful to the coming together of Americans.

00:14:15.000 None of it is helpful.

00:14:16.000 And the left is getting worse. 0.81

00:14:18.000 Because I think that now the left is celebrating the punching of Nazis.

00:14:21.000 Look at the coverage of Charlottesville.

00:14:24.000 I pointed out yesterday, I opened with all of the video from Charlottesville, and I pointed out there were a lot of violent people on the left there.

00:14:29.000 Sheryl Gay Stolberg, who was there from the New York Times, said as much.

00:14:32.000 And now, what you're seeing is a whitewashing of Antifa in order to go after the alt-right.

00:14:36.000 I don't see why you have to whitewash one in order to go after the other.

00:14:38.000 I went after the alt-right pretty hard yesterday.

00:14:40.000 I will continue to go after them hard. 0.98

00:14:41.000 I think they're a disgusting movement, and I think that a lot of people have been seduced into believing they're not as disgusting as they are.

00:14:46.000 But that does not excuse violence.

00:14:48.000 It does not excuse vandalism.

00:14:50.000 It does not excuse abusing police officers.

00:14:52.000 None of this is worthwhile.

00:14:54.000 None of this is worthwhile.

00:14:55.000 Unfortunately, it's all getting worse.

00:14:56.000 I want to talk about President Trump's response to all of this.

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00:16:20.000 Okay, so President Trump decides that he is going to finally change his statement he made on Saturday.

00:16:27.000 As you recall,

00:16:29.000 The President of the United States made a statement on Saturday in which he said that there was violence and bigotry on all sides, all sides.

00:16:37.000 And he didn't specifically single out the alt-right.

00:16:38.000 He didn't single out the Nazis.

00:16:40.000 He didn't single out any of that.

00:16:42.000 And the result of that was that there was a lot of blowback.

00:16:45.000 And I think right blowback.

00:16:46.000 I think it was correct to have blowback.

00:16:48.000 I think President Trump didn't do enough to disassociate himself

00:16:51.000 From the alt-right, which he'd sort of been winking at.

00:16:52.000 There was a report yesterday that Steve Bannon had been telling him over the weekend.

00:16:56.000 Steve Bannon, who is his White House chief strategist, a guy I know well, former head of Breitbart, a man who said that he was happy that he had turned Breitbart into basically a forum for the alt-right.

00:17:06.000 A guy who helps prop up figures like Milo, who are popularizing the alt-right.

00:17:11.000 And so, Trump didn't say anything.

00:17:13.000 And apparently he was very angry that he had to go out and make a statement yesterday.

00:17:17.000 So, let's reenact yesterday with President Trump.

00:17:20.000 So, President Trump starts off the day by going after the head of Merck.

00:17:24.000 So, Merck is a major pharmaceutical company.

00:17:28.000 The CEO, a guy named Kenneth Frazier, he's the CEO of Merck and he was on President Trump's manufacturing board.

00:17:36.000 After Trump didn't come out strongly enough in his opinion and condemn the alt-right and white nationalism and white supremacism, he quit the board.

00:17:43.000 And Trump went out and tweeted.

00:17:47.000 Remember, this is before he's made any overt statement with regard to the alt-right or the KKK or anything.

00:17:54.000 He tweeted, So that's how he leads off yesterday.

00:18:00.000 And people are like, really?

00:18:00.000 This is where you're putting your focus?

00:18:02.000 You're putting your focus on the Merck head?

00:18:04.000 Everybody thinks that you need to come out and condemn the alt-right.

00:18:06.000 Everybody thinks you need to come out and condemn white supremacism.

00:18:09.000 If you want to condemn Antifa at the same time, that would be nice.

00:18:11.000 If you want to do all those things, you can do those things.

00:18:13.000 And instead he's tweeting about Merck.

00:18:15.000 Racism is evil. 0.99

00:18:30.000 And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. 0.99

00:18:46.000 We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. 0.98

00:18:53.000 We are equal in the eyes of our Creator.

00:18:56.000 We are equal under the law.

00:18:58.000 And we are equal under our Constitution.

00:19:03.000 Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.

00:19:10.000 Two days ago, a young American woman, Heather Heyer, was tragically killed.

00:19:15.000 Her death fills us with grief, and we send her family our thoughts, our prayers, and our love.

00:19:23.000 Okay, good.

00:19:24.000 Good for Trump for saying this, right?

00:19:25.000 This is what everybody wanted him to say.

00:19:27.000 She just said it 48 hours earlier.

00:19:28.000 The long delay gave a lot of credence to a lot of the groups that were claiming that Trump was on their side.

00:19:33.000 You remember I read yesterday the Nazi outlet, the Daily Stormer, coming out and praising Trump for not going too hard on the white nationalists.

00:19:40.000 Yesterday, he blasts them.

00:19:42.000 And then what's interesting is that, okay, what's the fallout?

00:19:44.000 So that 48-hour gap

00:19:46.000 We're good to go.

00:20:07.000 So, according to Olivia Nuzzi, who is a reporter, I believe, for Politico, she says, Richard Spencer doesn't think President Trump condemned his movement today.

00:20:14.000 He called it kumbaya nonsense and said Trump didn't mean it.

00:20:16.000 Okay, so who cares about that, right?

00:20:19.000 Maybe Richard Spencer is just wrong.

00:20:20.000 Trump does mean it, and it's great that Trump did it, and good.

00:20:23.000 Okay, but then, five minutes after the speech, you know, a few minutes after the speech, Trump goes right back on Twitter, and is he going after the, is he going after the, um,

00:20:33.000 Is he going after the alt-right on Twitter?

00:20:35.000 Is he retweeting his own speech about racism?

00:20:38.000 No, he's going back after the Merck guy.

00:20:40.000 He decides that it is important that he must go after the Merck guy again. 0.72

00:20:43.000 So he tweets again about the Merck guy, you know, going after him because he says he's a bad guy.

00:20:47.000 Then he goes on Twitter after that and he decides that it is necessary to tweet about the media.

00:20:52.000 So here's what he tweeted.

00:20:53.000 He tweeted, quote, made additional remarks on Charlottesville and realized once again that the fake news media will never be satisfied.

00:20:59.000 Truly bad people.

00:21:02.000 This is just not smart.

00:21:03.000 It's not smart and it's not moral.

00:21:05.000 Okay, the reason that you should make that additional statement on Charlottesville is because the first one was insufficient.

00:21:09.000 It was morally insufficient.

00:21:10.000 You have to condemn the bad guys.

00:21:12.000 What Trump sounds like he's saying here, okay, if I were just to read this as a layman, what it sounds like he's saying is that the reason that he made the remarks in the first place is because the fake news media were pushing him to do so and then they wouldn't accept him saying what he was saying.

00:21:26.000 In other words, he was fine with not saying anything additional.

00:21:30.000 This, of course, lends a lot of credence to the stuff that Spencer was saying, that really the only reason that Trump was doing this is because he was pressured, but deep down in the cockles of his heart, he really didn't want to condemn the alt-right, he really didn't want to condemn the white supremacists.

00:21:40.000 You know, Mr. Trump, President Trump, I don't think that you're a racist.

00:21:44.000 I don't think you're a white supremacist.

00:21:45.000 I don't think you're an alt-righter.

00:21:47.000 Please, stop making moves that are...

00:21:51.000 That are even open to question.

00:21:53.000 This is so obvious and this is so easy.

00:21:55.000 And when you blame the fake news media for being mean to you because you made a bad statement on Saturday.

00:21:59.000 By the way, the reports are that there was a second statement that he had in front of him on Saturday that was exactly the same as the statement he made yesterday and he went off cuff because he didn't actually want to discuss the white supremacy on Saturday.

00:22:11.000 There was that report that came out yesterday.

00:22:12.000 It's not good stuff.

00:22:14.000 The president of the United States agenda is determined by the president actually

00:22:18.000 Being strong enough of will, being strong enough morally to stand up against bad people.

00:22:24.000 And the idea that he's going to sort of bend over backwards to appease this, this, this alt-right movement is really gross.

00:22:32.000 I mean, it's, it's such a problem.

00:22:34.000 This, this, another example, right?

00:22:36.000 Yesterday, last night, the president decides that it is important to tweet a couple of things.

00:22:42.000 And he tweets, he tweets, this is this morning, he retweeted at 4.40 a.m.

00:22:47.000 Uh, this, this meme.

00:22:48.000 And the meme says, fake news can't stop the Trump train.

00:22:51.000 And then it's a picture of the Trump train hitting a reporter with the CNN logo over it.

00:22:55.000 Now, we've already had Trump do this, right?

00:22:56.000 I mean, Trump already did the thing with the, with him tackling the meme from the alt-right of him tackling the, the CNN logo head and the entire world going nuts.

00:23:04.000 But this is three days after a car hit anti-alt-right protesters and now he's tweeting out a picture of a train hitting CNN.

00:23:11.000 It's just not smart.

00:23:13.000 It's just not smart.

00:23:14.000 And the account he tweeted from apparently is an alt-right account.

00:23:18.000 Yesterday, last night, he tweets out an account, I guess the guy's name is Jack Posabiak.

00:23:22.000 You'll remember him from such hits as Storming the Stage at the Julius Caesar production in Central Park.

00:23:28.000 He's an alt-right friendly figure.

00:23:31.000 And Jack Posobiec was also a Pizzagate promulgator, and he tweeted something out about how there were 35 people who were shot in Chicago over the weekend.

00:23:38.000 Why is no one paying attention to that?

00:23:40.000 And Trump retweeted it.

00:23:41.000 Now if Trump wants to say, listen, there's killings all over the country, there are a lot of things that we need to do to stop them, that's one thing.

00:23:47.000 But retweeting people who are sort of part of the alt-right and alt-right friendly base,

00:23:52.000 It does not help his case that he's trying to separate off from this group.

00:23:55.000 And he should be separating off from this group, okay?

00:23:57.000 It's an immoral group.

00:23:58.000 It's an immoral group.

00:23:59.000 And it's not that everyone who likes memes, everyone who tweets memes, is a member of the alt-right.

00:24:04.000 I discussed this yesterday.

00:24:05.000 But the alt-right has effectively used the internet to seize the high grounds of sort of meme territory, and then use it as a way to spread the word.

00:24:13.000 So...

00:24:15.000 I have a brief story about this that I think is worth telling.

00:24:17.000 So I was speaking at a California college, which was last year, and this California college was, you know, a lot of the conservatives had decided to ask me there.

00:24:26.000 And we go to dinner afterward, which is one of the things that I tend to do with the college Republican groups that I get invited by.

00:24:31.000 So, we were sitting there having a good time, we're talking, and one of the guys pipes up and says that he's a fan of Milo, and I said, that's great, you know, whatever, you know, that's fine, and he is at the end of the dinner, he waits till the end of the dinner, and everybody is filing out the door, and this fellow turns to me, and he said, and he kind of winks at me quietly, he's wearing a MAGA hat, and he winks at me quietly, and he says, another showa.

00:24:58.000 Okay, for people who don't know what that means, Anada Shoah is one of these alt-right anti-Semitic memes suggesting that all Jews do is talk about the Holocaust all day long.

00:25:06.000 Right, that everything is Anada Shoah.

00:25:07.000 Shoah is a word for Holocaust, and they don't say another, they say Anada. 0.78

00:25:10.000 Right, A-N-U-D-D-A-H. 1.00

00:25:12.000 Right, Anada Shoah, because you're stupid, because you keep talking about the Holocaust, you terrible Jews. 1.00

00:25:16.000 And the guy looked at me and said this, and he obviously meant it as like a wink wink nod nod joke, and I just thought to myself, why would you think that that's okay? 1.00

00:25:26.000 Like, I'm not gonna, like, ruin your life over it, I don't think your life ought to be ruined over it, but why would you think that that's okay?

00:25:31.000 Because the joke is not, you know, mocking anti-semitism, the joke is actually anti-semitic.

00:25:36.000 The joke itself is actually anti-semitic.

00:25:38.000 Like, I'm on Steven Crowder's show a lot, and Steven's a great guy, and Steven makes a lot of, you know, jokes about Jews, right? 0.97

00:25:44.000 He'll talk about how he doesn't like the fact that we have this beautiful tumbler because he has his own mug club, and so he'll make a joke about how our tumbler stinks, but we filled it with Jew gold, right? 0.52

00:25:53.000 The whole point of him doing that is not because he's actually anti-semitic, the point is he's mocking himself for pretending to be anti-semitic.

00:25:59.000 That's the whole point of the joke. 1.00

00:26:00.000 The whole point of the joke is that anti-semitism's stupid. 1.00

00:26:02.000 That's the entire point of the joke. 0.99

00:26:03.000 That's why when Steven does it, it's not offensive. 1.00

00:26:06.000 The point of the Another Shoah memes is not that anti-Semitism is stupid. 0.99

00:26:09.000 It's not self-parody. 0.99

00:26:11.000 Right? 0.95

00:26:11.000 It's that the Jews actually, like, there's something nefarious about the Jews. 0.95

00:26:14.000 Like, it is an anti-Semitic joke. 0.70

00:26:16.000 This stuff is being passed around by people who don't know better.

00:26:18.000 I don't think the kid was an anti-Semite.

00:26:19.000 I think the kid was a perfectly nice kid.

00:26:21.000 I think the kid was being dragged into this meme underculture where being frivolous and troll-y

00:26:27.000 Uh, is seen as a positive good, because anything that pisses off SJWs, anything where people are triggered, means it's a good thing.

00:26:34.000 And so this idea that if you trigger people, that's a good thing.

00:26:37.000 People sided with Trump because they felt like he triggered people.

00:26:39.000 Ticking off the left is more important than being decent or being right.

00:26:43.000 And that's really a negative thing.

00:26:44.000 This is how people get sucked into the maw of the alt-right.

00:26:47.000 Not because they start off as white supremacists, but because they believe that anything that trolls the left must inherently be decent or good.

00:26:53.000 It's a dangerous, dangerous thing.

00:26:55.000 Okay, and again, not everybody who loves memes is a member of the alt-right.

00:27:00.000 The vast majority of people who like memes are not members of the alt-right.

00:27:03.000 But this is how the alt-right recruits, this is how the alt-right seduces.

00:27:07.000 They say we're just being dissidents and trolly, and we're tweeting out anti-semitic and racist memes, and it's because the left can't take a joke that they don't like your stuff.

00:27:15.000 Not because they don't like racism or anti-semitism, but because they can't take a joke.

00:27:19.000 That is not...

00:27:21.000 Positive in any way and the right needs to excise that and President Trump, please for the love of God Stop associating with people from the alt-right and retweeting them.

00:27:28.000 I understand you think they're a solid part of your base I understand maybe Steve Bannon has told you they're a part of your base.

00:27:33.000 You can't afford to alienate You're the president of the United States for God's sake

00:27:37.000 You represent the entire country.

00:27:38.000 Be a man and reject these groups.

00:27:40.000 Stop retweeting them.

00:27:41.000 Stop reaching out to them.

00:27:43.000 These are not people you want to be associated with.

00:27:45.000 These are not people who are winning the meme war for you.

00:27:48.000 You didn't win the election because of the meme war.

00:27:51.000 I understand the alt-right likes to say that you won because of the meme war.

00:27:53.000 Memes are funny.

00:27:53.000 Memes are wonderful.

00:27:54.000 You didn't win because of the meme war.

00:27:55.000 You won because Hillary Clinton was the worst candidate in the history of mankind. 1.00

00:27:59.000 And I want to get to the media and how they've reacted to all of this and what I thought was an egregious segment on CNN yesterday.

00:28:07.000 Plus, we have things I like, things I hate, and deconstructing the culture.

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00:28:52.000 Okay, so, last night on CNN,

00:29:20.000 The media have decided that the part of the problem here is the media likes the ratings that they get off of all this stuff.

00:29:25.000 I mean, there is part of the media that is overjoyed when this sort of stuff happens because the controversy drives ratings.

00:29:30.000 And the left is eager always to label everyone, as I say, a member of the alt-right no matter whether they're a member of the alt-right or not.

00:29:36.000 And last night on CNN, this panel just devolved because there was a Trump

00:29:42.000 fan named Paris Denard who was a Bush staffer and Keith Boykin who's a Democratic staffer and Boykin just goes directly after Denard and basically says he's not black.

00:29:55.000 I'm offended that you continue to go there, Paris, but the reality is that President Trump has not done enough, and I'm ashamed that you as an African American, Paris, will not say that. 0.60

00:30:05.000 Well, Keith, I don't need you to try to pull my black card.

00:30:08.000 I am well aware of my blackness and don't need you to try to classify me as being one.

00:30:12.000 I understand what racism is.

00:30:13.000 Are you?

00:30:15.000 Keith, don't go there.

00:30:16.000 Do not go there. 0.98

00:30:17.000 I know what it means to be a black man in this country.

00:30:20.000 I know, and I experience racism on a regular basis by being a Trump supporter and by being a proud American who happens to be a Republican.

00:30:28.000 So that's the racism you experience by being a Trump supporter?

00:30:32.000 I get racist comments about my family, about my mother, about my girlfriend, about my character, every single day, mostly coming from black people, Keith. 0.99

00:30:42.000 If you really want to get down to it, I'm from, my family's from Georgia.

00:30:46.000 Keith, let me finish.

00:30:47.000 My family's from Georgia.

00:30:48.000 We have members of our family that went missing because of the KKK taking them up.

00:30:53.000 So don't come to me and tell me about what it means to be a black person in this country.

00:30:57.000 I fought every day in the George W. Bush White House.

00:31:00.000 Yes, Keith, let me finish.

00:31:02.000 No, no, no.

00:31:03.000 I won't calm down because I will not be attacked by you about my blackness because I happen to be a Republican and I listened to our president.

00:31:15.000 Okay, so the fact is that Paris Dunart has every reason to lash out at Keith Boykin for what Keith Boykin just said, but this is the sort of stuff the media loves to promulgate, and it's just pushing the conflict to a higher and higher pitch.

00:31:26.000 None of this is good.

00:31:27.000 All of it is frightening.

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00:32:55.000 Okay, so, for things I like today, I want to do an oldie but a goodie, because it's, I think, almost indicative of where we've gone as a country, these two books that I'm about to talk about.

00:33:05.000 So, Harper Lee wrote one of the great American classics, of course, To Kill a Mockingbird, and it is a phenomenal book.

00:33:11.000 It is a truly phenomenal book.

00:33:12.000 I remember reading this book, I think I was probably nine, when I read To Kill a Mockingbird for the first time.

00:33:16.000 And it is a brilliant, beautifully written piece about the power of not only tolerance, but fighting for the right.

00:33:26.000 It's just terrific.

00:33:29.000 The movie itself is also very good.

00:33:31.000 You'll spot a very young Robert Duvall as Boo Radley, actually, in the movie.

00:33:34.000 He's in it for five seconds, but To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee.

00:33:38.000 Just a grand, grand book.

00:33:39.000 The whole book is really an ode to Scout is the main character, her father Atticus Finch.

00:33:45.000 And Atticus Finch, of course, one of the great American literary heroes, is a lawyer who defends an innocent black man accused of a crime.

00:33:52.000 Uh, and it's it's all about what it takes in what what heroism requires and sometimes it's quiet and sometimes it just requires standing up for the right things.

00:34:01.000 But what I was going to say is that it demonstrates where we've gone as a country in the last couple of years in an attempt to make some profit.

00:34:06.000 Uh, the there is another version of this book that Harper Lee wrote that was never published.

00:34:11.000 I don't know.

00:34:30.000 To Kill a Mockingbird is about the American Dream, and how we need more Americans like Atticus Finch in order to achieve the American Dream.

00:34:35.000 And Ghosts Out of Watchmen is about how the American Dream doesn't really exist, even the people who you think are heroes are actually villains.

00:34:40.000 And we have to get away from Ghosts Out of Watchmen and back to To Kill a Mockingbird.

00:34:44.000 We all need to be idolizing Atticus Finch.

00:34:46.000 We all need to be moving in that direction.

00:34:47.000 And we need to get away from the world where everyone's a villain, so if Atticus Finch is a villain, we all might as well be villains.

00:34:51.000 You know, the sort of sullying of the Atticus Finch character in Ghosts Out of Watchmen is really one of the literary tragedies of the last ten years.

00:34:58.000 And it's...

00:35:00.000 You should read the original and ignore the rewriting in Ghosts of the Watchmen that was only released for profit after Harper Lee.

00:35:06.000 It was unclear whether Harper Lee was even competent to release it, apparently.

00:35:09.000 But To Kill a Mockingbird is, again, one of my favorite novels.

00:35:12.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:35:15.000 So I haven't talked about this yet, but I think that it is worthwhile noticing.

00:35:20.000 Well, a couple of things.

00:35:21.000 So we'll start with Dennis Prager.

00:35:22.000 So Dennis Prager is a friend of mine.

00:35:24.000 And Dennis was almost rejected from conducting with the Santa Monica Symphony Orchestra at Walt Disney Concert Hall.

00:35:31.000 The left tried to destroy Dennis.

00:35:34.000 They tried to suggest that Dennis was a racist, and a sexist, and a bigot, and a homophobe, and therefore he shouldn't be allowed to conduct the Santa Monica Symphony at Walt Disney Concert Hall, about 2,300 seats.

00:35:45.000 And he was pushed not to conduct the Haydn Symphony No.

00:35:50.000 51.

00:35:50.000 There were two UCLA professors named Michael Chu and Andrew Apter.

00:35:54.000 They're both violinists with the Santa Monica Symphony, and they wrote in an open letter, Dennis does not promote horribly bigoted positions, of course.

00:36:06.000 It's just another demonstration that the left attempts to lump everyone in with the alt-right, and that's why it is so important both that the left stop doing that and that the right actively separate itself

00:36:17.000 From the alt-right and from the racists who would hang around the fringes and pretend to be important members of the movement.

00:36:24.000 This stuff is not justifiable and Dennis is one of the good guys.

00:36:28.000 And the idea that Disney Hall should have been closed to Dennis just demonstrates the intolerance of the left. 0.95

00:36:34.000 It's quite ridiculous. 0.82

00:36:37.000 So it didn't work. 0.82

00:36:38.000 The New York Times wrote an article on the issue.

00:36:40.000 The Hollywood Reporter wrote an article on the issue.

00:36:42.000 And it just shows that when the right stands up and says we're not going to stand for being called racist, sexist, bigots, homophobes when we're not, then people back down. 0.94

00:36:50.000 But, in order for that to work, you actually have to not associate with racist, sexist, bigots, and homophobes. 0.91

00:36:54.000 Which, of course, the vast majority of people who are conservative don't.

00:36:56.000 The alt-right is not a conservative movement.

00:36:58.000 It's an anti-conservative movement.

00:36:59.000 And pretending that they're just a troll-y version of the conservatives,

00:37:02.000 It's really not true.

00:37:03.000 It's a bad definition.

00:37:05.000 Okay, other things that I hate.

00:37:07.000 So, the Washington Post tried to hit the Trump campaign yesterday and it's just amazing the way that the Washington Post tries to get away with hitting Trump even when it's unjustified.

00:37:17.000 So, the Washington Post had an article titled, Trump campaign emails show aides repeated efforts to set up Russia's meetings.

00:37:23.000 Okay, from that headline, you would gather that someone in the Trump campaign was actively attempting to set up meetings with the Russians, with the oversight of the Trump campaign.

00:37:32.000 But the article itself says, in paragraph 3, the proposal sent a ripple of concern through campaign headquarters in Trump Tower.

00:37:39.000 Campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis wrote that he thought NATO allies should be consulted before any plans were made.

00:37:44.000 Another Trump advisor cited legal concerns, including a possible violation of US sanctions.

00:37:49.000 Okay.

00:37:50.000 And so, in other words, the documents show that Trump tried to fight back, right?

00:37:54.000 The Trump campaign tried to fight back against this particular effort to set up some sort of meeting with the Russians.

00:38:01.000 So, sort of undercuts the Russian narrative.

00:38:03.000 That's not what the headline says.

00:38:04.000 Just another example of the media blowing up a story that really is an exculpatory story for Trump into something that is not exculpatory.

00:38:11.000 Okay, final thing that I hate, and then we'll deconstruct a little bit of culture.

00:38:14.000 The final thing that I hate here is, again, just showing that the left

00:38:18.000 ...has no clue what they're doing and they're actually pushing more people into the arms of the alt-right.

00:38:22.000 This is from the New York Times.

00:38:24.000 After a day of work at the Engineering Research Center at University of Arkansas...

00:38:29.000 Kyle Quinn had a pleasant Friday night in Bentonville with his wife and a colleague.

00:38:33.000 He explored an art exhibition at Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art and dined in an upscale restaurant.

00:38:38.000 Then on Saturday, he discovered that social media sleuths had incorrectly identified him as a participant in a white nationalist rally some 1,100 miles away in Charlottesville.

00:38:47.000 Overnight, thousands of strangers across the country have been working to share photographs of men bearing tiki torches on the University of Virginia campus.

00:38:54.000 But, there was a guy at the rally who's photographed

00:38:58.000 Wearing an Arkansas engineering shirt.

00:39:00.000 And amateur investigators found a photo of Quinn that looked something similar.

00:39:06.000 And that was enough to go after Quinn.

00:39:08.000 And they basically ruined his life.

00:39:09.000 People demanded he lose his job.

00:39:11.000 People accused him of racism.

00:39:12.000 People posted his home address on social networks.

00:39:15.000 He and his wife stayed with a colleague this weekend.

00:39:17.000 Again, the fever pitch in this country, it needs to calm down.

00:39:20.000 This is insanity.

00:39:22.000 You can't target innocent people because you're attempting to get the guilty.

00:39:26.000 This is just nuts, folks.

00:39:28.000 Okay, this sort of doxing of people, it has to stop.

00:39:31.000 It has to stop.

00:39:34.000 Wow.

00:39:34.000 It's wow.

00:39:35.000 Okay, time to deconstruct the culture a little bit.

00:39:37.000 So, one of the things that I hate about the modern pop culture is the attempt to virtue signal.

00:39:42.000 We've talked about this in recent weeks a fair bit.

00:39:45.000 The cultural figures who feel the need to virtue signal on politics because they think that it's going to make them more pop culturally 0.99

00:39:51.000 It's really, it's really foolish. 0.93

00:40:13.000 She's done some other stuff, okay. 0.98

00:40:14.000 Mathis is more with it than I am. 1.00

00:40:16.000 He's a decade younger than I am, so he's still ensconced in this idiotic culture. 1.00

00:40:20.000 So Lorde, L-O-R-D-E, she tweeted out, 1.00

00:40:33.000 Okay?

00:40:34.000 And then she says, I just want to say I'm so, so sorry.

00:40:37.000 All white people are responsible for this system's thrive and fall. 0.99

00:40:40.000 We have to do better.

00:40:41.000 I'm sorry.

00:40:43.000 Um, who is we?

00:40:45.000 I didn't do any of these things.

00:40:46.000 And I think all the people who did these things are despicable.

00:40:48.000 And I've spent my career fighting these people.

00:40:50.000 So, um, who is we?

00:40:52.000 Like, you wonder why there's an identity politics of the right?

00:40:54.000 Maybe that is because there's an anti-white identity politics.

00:40:58.000 You know, the white identity politics, a lot of that, the growth of that, is a direct response to the identity politics of the left, which suggests that the color of your skin makes you responsible for the sins of other white people. 0.55

00:41:07.000 I am not responsible for a sin committed by a white person just because I am white. 0.84

00:41:12.000 You are not responsible for the sin of a black person just because you are black. 0.98

00:41:15.000 This insanity that suggests that race confers guilt or innocence upon you 0.98

00:41:19.000 That ethnicity confers guilt or innocence upon you. 1.00

00:41:22.000 It's just that.

00:41:23.000 It's insanity.

00:41:24.000 And the virtue signaling by pop cultural figures who are attempting to make it clear to their audience just how woke they are.

00:41:30.000 The Katy Perry looking like she came back from college as a lesbian dance theory major and sitting with DeRay McKesson cross-legged on a couch talking about her cultural responsibility.

00:41:39.000 Look, if you didn't do anything wrong... We live in an individual culture, okay?

00:41:42.000 I don't believe in social justice because I believe in individual justice.

00:41:45.000 If you didn't do anything wrong, you are not guilty.

00:41:48.000 If I didn't do anything wrong, I am not guilty.

00:41:49.000 If you did do something wrong, you are guilty.

00:41:51.000 And if I did something wrong, I am guilty.

00:41:52.000 Otherwise, no guilt, no innocence, okay?

00:41:56.000 Your moral status is neutral if you haven't done anything.

00:41:59.000 You do have a duty to come out and condemn racism when you see it as a moral human being, but that does not make you complicit in racism if you do the right thing.

00:42:08.000 Doing the right thing is you doing the right thing.

00:42:11.000 I don't know why we have to do third grade morality for people again.

00:42:14.000 This is insane.

00:42:16.000 Other things that I hate in the culture.

00:42:18.000 So I've been lamenting the politicization of sports for several years now, particularly over at ESPN.

00:42:24.000 One of the shows that I used to enjoy watching a lot more on ESPN was Pardon the Interruption with Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon.

00:42:30.000 They're both really clever guys.

00:42:32.000 They know a lot about sports.

00:42:34.000 I used to be a big fan of the show, but now it seems like it's just two lefties going back at each other on every topic under the sun, and that's really boring.

00:42:43.000 It's really boring.

00:42:44.000 ESPN has made a huge mistake

00:42:45.000 By attempting to excise everyone who has a differing point of view.

00:42:48.000 People like Curt Schilling, people like Mike Ditka, people like Chris Broussard.

00:42:51.000 You know, all these people have been marginalized or thrown out because they have conservative points of view.

00:42:55.000 And so you end up with stuff like this on ESPN.

00:42:57.000 Again, sports fans tend to be overwhelmingly conservative, actually.

00:43:01.000 The majority of sports fans, particularly NFL fans, for example,

00:43:05.000 I'd say this a lot, and I worry that maybe I say it so much that people pay no attention anymore.

00:43:22.000 This is a constitutional right.

00:43:24.000 This is a guaranteed thing.

00:43:25.000 If you don't want to stand for the anthem, you don't have to.

00:43:28.000 A lot of times I say it in half jest, but I'm getting to the point where it's not even half jest anymore.

00:43:32.000 I don't even know why they play the anthem.

00:43:34.000 I mean, I play the Beach Boys.

00:43:35.000 I like the Beach Boys.

00:43:37.000 I would, me personally, and I think you too, I would stand for the anthem.

00:43:40.000 But if you don't, it's, it is not troublesome to me if you don't do this.

00:43:46.000 Okay, why, okay, so it should be troublesome when people don't stand for our common anthem, because the one thing that you should hope is that the anthem comes to embody what you want it to embody.

00:43:54.000 Okay, suggesting that America is thoroughgoing racist is nonsense.

00:43:58.000 Of course, Kaepernick and everybody else who's kneeling for the anthem has the right to kneel for the anthem.

00:44:02.000 It's America, you get to do what you want, but

00:44:04.000 The idea that we should stop playing the anthem at all so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of people who don't like the flag? 0.97

00:44:10.000 What a bunch of horse manure. 0.99

00:44:12.000 Really silly stuff. 0.99

00:44:13.000 The other politicized topic of the week, it's all been Kaepernick all the time over at ESPN.

00:44:18.000 I mean, it's amazing how many people seem to care deeply about a second string quarterback who absolutely blows at his job for the last two years.

00:44:25.000 Stephen A. Smith says that Charlottesville should get Kaepernick a job.

00:44:28.000 It's amazing how the outcome is always Kaepernick should have a job.

00:44:31.000 There's a car crash in Louisiana, Kaepernick should get a job.

00:44:35.000 Storm clouds roll over Texas, Kaepernick should get a job. 1.00

00:44:37.000 Doesn't matter what A is, B is always Kaepernick should get a job.

00:44:40.000 Here's Stephen A. Smith saying Charlottesville should be the reason Kaepernick gets a job or something for no reason, whatever.

00:44:45.000 Now, in light of what occurred this weekend in Charlottesville, Stephen A., will this change opinions on Colin?

00:44:53.000 Well, first of all, it should.

00:44:54.000 I think to some degree it has.

00:44:56.000 And I want to state for the record that it damn sure had better change the opinions of owners within the National Football League.

00:45:03.000 Quick, fast, and in a hurry.

00:45:05.000 Not just quick, not just fast, but quick, fast, and in a hurry.

00:45:09.000 Also, expediently.

00:45:10.000 Speedily.

00:45:11.000 As fast as their little legs can carry them.

00:45:15.000 What does Charlottesville have to do with Colin Kaepernick?

00:45:17.000 Was Colin Kaepernick there?

00:45:18.000 Did I miss it?

00:45:19.000 What did Charlottesville—what? 0.72

00:45:21.000 To suggest that the NFL owners are like Richard Spencer is just insane.

00:45:26.000 It's just insane.

00:45:26.000 Do you have any evidence of that whatsoever?

00:45:28.000 That Bob Craft is like Richard Spencer?

00:45:31.000 What absolute nonsense.

00:45:32.000 But again, this sort of politicization drives people to the alt-right.

00:45:36.000 It drives people to the extremes.

00:45:37.000 Whenever you have politicization of what are common topics, it drives people insane and drives them to the extremes of politics.

00:45:44.000 It's a bad thing.

00:45:45.000 We should have social fabric where we can come together.

00:45:47.000 The National Anthem seems like one place we should be able to come together.

00:45:50.000 Watching football games seems like another place we should come together.

00:45:53.000 If even these last tiny and almost insignificant vestiges of commonality are ripped away from us, it's pretty clear that we are going to be irrevocably torn in the near future.

00:46:03.000 Okay, we'll be back here tomorrow with more updates on all the latest.

00:46:06.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:46:07.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - August 15, 2017

The Aftermath Of Charlottesville | Ep. 362

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