The Ben Shapiro Show - ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT RIOTS! TRUMP SENDS IN THE TROOPS!

00:00:00.000 Huge show today.

00:00:01.000 Massive protests, riots, illegal immigration, insurrectionists break out into violence in Los Angeles.

00:00:07.000 President Trump calls in the National Guard.

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00:00:47.000 Alrighty, folks, so insanity breaking out in my old hometown of Los Angeles.

00:00:50.000 There is a reason that I left Los Angeles, as long as I can recall.

00:00:54.000 Living in LA.

00:00:55.000 Every time you would drive past a Home Depot, for example.

00:00:57.000 There would be a crowd of illegal immigrants who are waiting for work.

00:01:01.000 And listen, you feel bad for these people.

00:01:03.000 Many of them have crossed the border in an attempt to seek works and remittances back home.

00:01:07.000 And many of them are also on welfare.

00:01:08.000 And it turns out that an enormous number of people who come across the border end up engaging in things that actually are a leech off the taxpayer dime, end up as a net cost to the taxpayer.

00:01:18.000 They take part in the public education system if they have kids who they bring across the border.

00:01:22.000 They end up using medical services.

00:01:24.000 This is not about whether these people are nice or mean, whether they are good or bad.

00:01:28.000 They have broken the law.

00:01:29.000 They crossed the border illegally.

00:01:30.000 That is the ones who are law-abiding.

00:01:31.000 And then there are a bunch of people who are not law-abiding.

00:01:34.000 When I say law-abiding, I mean aside from the illegal immigration.

00:01:36.000 There are many people in Southern California who are occupying jails in Southern California who committed crimes that are not illegal immigration.

00:01:43.000 Anyway, federal law says you are not allowed to cross the American border without your papers.

00:01:48.000 And that if you overstay your visa, even if you come across the border legally with a visa, Then you are also here illegally and you ought to be deported.

00:01:55.000 Enforcing that law should not be controversial.

00:01:58.000 There is a reason that countries have borders and the United States, for as long as I can recall, simply did not enforce the law properly.

00:02:06.000 That was particularly true under Joe Biden.

00:02:07.000 Donald Trump came into office in 2016 pledging that he was going to do something about illegal immigration.

00:02:12.000 And he did.

00:02:13.000 The border was essentially closed.

00:02:16.000 At least the rates of border crossing went down dramatically during Donald Trump's first term.

00:02:20.000 Then Joe Biden came in and he opened the border wide to the tune of at least 10 million people crossing the border, either by claiming asylum falsely or by simply crossing illegally between ports of entry or by overstaying visas.

00:02:32.000 And now Donald Trump has come into office for the second time, pledging that he is going to stop illegal immigration.

00:02:36.000 And he has already successfully closed that southern border.

00:02:40.000 And now he is activating ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, to actually Do the thing the law says, which is to find people who are in the interior of the country illegally and to remove them.

00:02:52.000 And again, this should not be particularly controversial.

00:02:55.000 Just because people haven't enforced the law properly for decades does not mean that enforcing the law now should be controversial.

00:03:01.000 Well, a few days ago, late last week, there were some immigration enforcement operations that happened in Southern California.

00:03:10.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, federal agents were seen in at least two locations in Los Angeles.

00:03:14.000 As word spread, more people then showed up and protests grew and lasted into the night.

00:03:19.000 Homeland Security spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin said on Friday some 800 protesters surrounded and breached at a federal law enforcement building in Los Angeles.

00:03:25.000 She said protesters assaulted ICE officers, slashed tires to face public property.

00:03:30.000 More than a dozen protesters were arrested.

00:03:31.000 And then on Saturday, residents of Paramount, a city within L.A. County, about 16 miles south of the downtown area, saw federal agents gathering in an industrial park.

00:03:39.000 The residents began trying to block the streets nearby.

00:03:41.000 The protests turned into a standoff between federal agents and approximately 300 people, according to the mayor, and then lasted most of the day.

00:03:48.000 And things got incredibly fraught.

00:03:51.000 And that is not a giant shock, how fraught they got.

00:03:54.000 What is amazing is that people believe that the United States is so lawless that when federal agents show up to arrest people for being in the country illegally, you end up with hundreds of protesters, many of whom end up assaulting police officers, end up assaulting ICE agents, participating in acts of criminality.

00:04:10.000 Rioting, burning things.

00:04:12.000 And the visuals from these riots are pretty astounding.

00:04:15.000 I mean, they really, really are.

00:04:16.000 First of all, LA has become an incredibly lawless place.

00:04:19.000 It's one of the reasons my family and I moved.

00:04:21.000 During the BLM riots, in which the city of Los Angeles essentially told the cops to stand down and allow people to riot across Melrose and just destroy whatever they could, burning cop cars on the way. 0.50

00:04:32.000 It was about that point when my wife and I, we lived in a fairly decent area of LA, could hear the helicopters above our home and gunshots.

00:04:39.000 We were like, you know what?

00:04:40.000 Maybe we should leave for Florida.

00:04:41.000 And I can promise you in the aftermath of what's going on right now, there can be a lot more people who look at California and say, why in the hell am I paying exorbitant taxes in order to live in a place that allowed every area around LA to burn just a few months ago and now is allowing parts of LA to burn in order to protect people who came to the country illegally in the first place?

00:04:59.000 It's total insanity.

00:05:01.000 It's total insanity.

00:05:02.000 As you know, you can now pre-order my new book, Lions and Scavengers, but this is essentially what the book is about.

00:05:08.000 There are two groups of people in the United States and across the West, people who wish to build institutions and create successful operating systems, and then people who just wish to tear it down.

00:05:17.000 And when you look at the protesters, many of whom are flying Mexican flags, as well as flying Palestinian flags, and a good indicator that you're on the wrong side of any protest is if you're the one flying a Palestinian flag.

00:05:30.000 It's pretty incredible how consistent this is.

00:05:33.000 But these protesters who are That's an amazing thing.

00:05:42.000 Because they're not saying that Mexico and the United States are in solidarity.

00:05:45.000 Precisely the opposite.

00:05:46.000 They are saying they came to the United States as a quasi-invading force.

00:05:52.000 Because the only reason that they're in the United States is as refugees from Mexico, theoretically. 0.81

00:05:57.000 People who are leaving Mexico for a reason.

00:06:00.000 This would be the equivalent of Cuban migrants attempting to escape Cuba. 0.71

00:06:04.000 Who then fly the Cuban flag while attempting to stop ICE officers.

00:06:07.000 It would be bizarre.

00:06:08.000 You'd never accept this.

00:06:10.000 From Cubans, nor would Cubans do this. 0.99

00:06:12.000 Cubans coming to the United States from Cuba generally don't fly the flag of the country that they think oppressed them and that forced them to leave.

00:06:19.000 If they are flying that flag, it's to overthrow the government of that country.

00:06:22.000 Here in LA, you have a bunch of people flying Mexican flags, not because they wish to change the government of Mexico or because they believe in the solidarity between the United States and Mexico, but because they believe.

00:06:33.000 Many of them.

00:06:34.000 That this entire area is Asetlan.

00:06:36.000 That essentially, it doesn't belong to the American people and doesn't belong to the American government.

00:06:41.000 That's the only rationale for seeing some of the images that you are seeing.

00:06:46.000 So the New York Times had a timeline of what was going on here.

00:06:51.000 Said on Sunday, the third day of protests in downtown LA began with roughly 20 National Guard troops arriving at the Metropolitan Detention Center early Sunday morning.

00:06:58.000 We'll get to President Trump and his deployment of the National Guard and his calling up of some Marines.

00:07:02.000 In just a moment, by about 10.30 a.m. Pacific time, nearly 300 members of the California Guard took positions at three different sites around the city.

00:07:09.000 More than a dozen Homeland Security officials in riot gear joined the National Guard troops at the detention center.

00:07:15.000 By early afternoon, hundreds of protesters had gathered there.

00:07:18.000 Around 1 p.m. Pacific, California National Guard, Department of Homeland Security, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers formed a line and attempted to clear protesters away from the Metropolitan Detention Center.

00:07:28.000 Officers deployed tear gas, pepper balls, and other crowd-control munitions.

00:07:32.000 Protesters then decided they were going to take over the 101 freeway as well.

00:07:36.000 Again, this followed an entire day and night of rioting.

00:07:40.000 I mean, truly an unbelievable thing happening in Los Angeles, except that this has become de rigueur for the left.

00:07:48.000 This is the part that's astonishing.

00:07:49.000 The left somehow seems to think all of this is okay.

00:07:52.000 The left somehow seems to believe that all of this is just normality.

00:07:58.000 That the new normal is, we don't like a thing, therefore a riot.

00:08:02.000 BLM riots caused $2 billion in damage. 0.99

00:08:04.000 No problem.

00:08:04.000 Violent activity.

00:08:06.000 Killings by people like Luigi Mangione of the UnitedHealthcare CEO.

00:08:10.000 Fine, because we agree with his agenda.

00:08:12.000 The murder of two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, D.C. Well, you know, Israel is really bad. 1.00

00:08:18.000 Like, the legitimation of violence by the left is truly a horrifying thing.

00:08:23.000 And when you have the government of Los Angeles not doing enough to shut it down, it demonstrates where Democrats are at.

00:08:28.000 You wonder why President Trump is president.

00:08:29.000 This would be the reason.

00:08:31.000 This would be the reason.

00:08:33.000 And there's a long heritage for this in the Democratic Party, going back to Barack Obama winking and nodding at the Ferguson riots of 2014.

00:08:40.000 We've had a dozen years of this kind of nonsense.

00:08:43.000 And yet Democrats still don't seem to get it, as we will see.

00:08:46.000 They are defending the rioters and the protesters and the people who are engaging in violence.

00:08:50.000 They're suggesting they're not.

00:08:51.000 They're not actually defending the violent people.

00:08:53.000 But then they essentially reserve all of their criticism and hatred and rage for the Trump administration enforcing the law, saying that somehow enforcement of the law is the thing that is causing the riots.

00:09:04.000 In a moment, we'll get into the actual footage from these riots.

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00:11:24.000 So, let's go through some of the footage because it really is astounding.

00:11:27.000 First of all, here's the video of some of the protesters.

00:11:29.000 And as you'll see, these protesters, some of them are not quite protesting.

00:11:35.000 This is very reminiscent, again, of BLM riots that were called So these are mostly peaceful, but somewhat fiery, actually.

00:11:45.000 Here we go.

00:11:46.000 Here we go.

00:11:51.000 There are people flying Mexican flags.

00:11:53.000 You can see them obstructing the roads, standing in the way of the cops, lighting fires.

00:11:59.000 Mostly peaceful, but fiery, as you can see.

00:12:03.000 This was just a couple of nights ago in L.A. The police responded with flashbangs and some tear gas to drive people away from ice centers, from holding centers.

00:12:18.000 These are the kinds of images that you would normally expect to see out of a zombie movie here.

00:12:23.000 And then here is some footage of a burning car.

00:12:28.000 You can see, folks, at least one is marching with an American flag.

00:12:31.000 This person at least understands PR, but most of them are marching around with Mexican flags.

00:12:35.000 And meanwhile, Apparently, the so-called protesters were locating Waymo vehicles to burn.

00:12:41.000 So Waymo is an amazing company that has created robo-taxis.

00:12:46.000 These taxis are very cool.

00:12:47.000 I've used them in LA myself.

00:12:49.000 You have the Waymo app on your phone.

00:12:50.000 You call the taxi.

00:12:51.000 It arrives without a driver.

00:12:52.000 It opens up.

00:12:53.000 You get in.

00:12:53.000 It takes you where you want to go.

00:12:54.000 Again, these people are scavengers.

00:12:56.000 All they want to do is destroy.

00:12:58.000 What the hell did a Waymo vehicle ever do?

00:12:59.000 It's literally a robot.

00:13:01.000 What did it do to you?

00:13:03.000 Why exactly is it that Waymo must suffer?

00:13:06.000 Because you don't like ISIS policies. 0.81

00:13:08.000 And the answer is, it's not about ISIS policies.

00:13:10.000 It's about destroying any system they don't like.

00:13:12.000 That's all it is.

00:13:13.000 It is the scavenger mentality at work.

00:13:15.000 Destroying anything they don't like.

00:13:16.000 Tearing things down.

00:13:19.000 And look at this picture.

00:13:20.000 You can see this driverless vehicle burning.

00:13:23.000 And they literally are calling the Waymos just to burn them. 0.98

00:13:26.000 Which is really sick.

00:13:28.000 I mean, truly.

00:13:30.000 Because it's just pure nihilism.

00:13:33.000 Absolute nihilism.

00:13:34.000 Attacking cop cars.

00:13:36.000 Is horrible, but at least you understand that they are attempting to oppose, quote-unquote, the enforcement mechanism.

00:13:42.000 What the hell did Waymo do?

00:13:43.000 The answer is nothing, of course.

00:13:45.000 But Waymo exists, and thus it must be burned.

00:13:47.000 The footage that is making the rounds that is the most famous is a protester with a Mexican flag riding his bike, his motorcycle, around a burning car.

00:13:57.000 And if this doesn't sum up the nature of these protests, I'm not sure quite what does.

00:14:01.000 Here we go.

00:14:02.000 Look at the flag.

00:14:04.000 There it is.

00:14:05.000 Mexican flag.

00:14:06.000 You know, this is criminal activity that I hope people are held accountable for.

00:14:13.000 And I'm talking about the riots right here.

00:14:15.000 Where are the cops?

00:14:19.000 A different angle from on the ground.

00:14:23.000 Set a car on fire. 0.95

00:14:24.000 Carry a Mexican flag around. 1.00

00:14:26.000 Okay, take this back to your home country.

00:14:29.000 Here's this guy standing on top of the Waymo car.

00:14:31.000 With the burning smoke, with the smoke in the background, carrying a Mexican flag with his face masked.

00:14:36.000 Because, of course, these are people who are law-abiding.

00:14:38.000 These are people who deserve to be here.

00:14:40.000 Obviously.

00:14:41.000 How dare ICE try to deport these people?

00:14:44.000 How dare they?

00:14:45.000 How dare they?

00:14:47.000 And meanwhile, there's footage of protesters prepping Molotov cocktails.

00:14:50.000 And by protesters, I mean rioters.

00:14:53.000 You see they've got a Home Depot bucket over there, and they are putting And, of course, the Mexican flag. 0.96

00:15:11.000 Get the hell out of our country. 0.99

00:15:13.000 Get out of our country. 0.99

00:15:14.000 This is not your country.

00:15:15.000 Get out.

00:15:16.000 You're here illegally, but you're not just here illegally because you're a good-hearted person trying to make a living or something.

00:15:22.000 You are here as an invader.

00:15:24.000 If you are here with a Mexican flag trying to invade our streets while setting up Molotov cocktails, I don't know what else to call you. 1.00

00:15:30.000 At that point, you need to go.

00:15:33.000 And by the way, it is not just they who need to go.

00:15:36.000 It is the protesters who showed up to confront ICE and took over the 101.

00:15:43.000 I mean, honestly, like the footage here is quite astounding.

00:15:47.000 Here, by the way, are protesters surrounding and attacking police vehicles.

00:15:57.000 A police vehicle drives into the midst of protests.

00:16:00.000 You can see all these people have their cell phones out to make sure they capture the glorious moment when the cop car starts to be attacked.

00:16:07.000 The cops get out of the car to drive people away, but not before the cop car is attacked by the so-called protesters.

00:16:12.000 Again, I know people in LAPD.

00:16:14.000 Everyone in LAPD is trying to get out of LAPD right now.

00:16:17.000 Everyone.

00:16:18.000 The question that LAPD officers have is because they have essentially they can retire after a certain number of years with full retirement.

00:16:26.000 Do they try to stick it out and hopefully get a desk job?

00:16:28.000 Or do they end up on the streets?

00:16:29.000 Because here's the thing.

00:16:31.000 If you're in L.A. and you get in a confrontation with somebody, there's a good shot that you go to jail, not the person who's confronting you in the first place.

00:16:39.000 Amazing.

00:16:40.000 Here is protesters showing up to confront ICE.

00:16:43.000 The police are firing gas canisters in order to...

00:16:59.000 Again, all because the ICE officers are doing their job by arresting illegal immigrants.

00:17:05.000 And you can see people there in the kafias, right? 0.97

00:17:07.000 It's all the same group of people.

00:17:09.000 It is a motley crew of people who hate the civilization.

00:17:12.000 That's all.

00:17:13.000 That's all.

00:17:14.000 This is just about basic border enforcement.

00:17:16.000 And they are wearing kafias and trying to destroy cop cars.

00:17:24.000 at Cop Cars.

00:17:25.000 Cop Cars.

00:17:31.000 They're on an overpass, and you can see they're literally taking stones and chucking them down at the cop cars.

00:17:38.000 One creative type has gotten a leaf blower in an attempt to dissipate some of the tear gas and some of the smoke.

00:17:44.000 Thousands of protesters, by the way, took over the 101, which is one of the major arteries for traffic in Los Angeles.

00:17:51.000 This should not be tolerated under any circumstances, and it is only because law enforcement have been told to stand down that any of this happened in the first place.

00:17:59.000 That is the only reason any of this is happening in the first place.

00:18:03.000 Now, what is the proper response?

00:18:05.000 This proper response is exactly what President Trump did.

00:18:08.000 He deployed the National Guard.

00:18:09.000 So President Trump announced that he would be deploying the National Guard via executive order.

00:18:15.000 His administration said on Friday they would deploy 2,000 National Guard troops on Saturday.

00:18:20.000 We'll get into the legal authorities for that in just a moment.

00:18:23.000 But basically, the timeline goes like this.

00:18:27.000 As of June 7th in the evening, California Governor Gavin Newsom said the federal government is sowing chaos so they can have an excuse to escalate.

00:18:34.000 This is not the way any civilized country behaves.

00:18:36.000 Look at the Democrat incompetence here. 0.99

00:18:38.000 Look at the sick Democrat incompetence here. 1.00

00:18:40.000 Truly sick. 1.00

00:18:41.000 Really.

00:18:42.000 I mean, because really, your takeaway from all of this, your true takeaway from all this is the federal government enforcing the law.

00:18:49.000 Is the thing that is inciting the violence?

00:18:52.000 Seriously.

00:18:53.000 Please explain.

00:18:54.000 Please explain.

00:18:55.000 Enforcing the law is what causes the violence.

00:18:57.000 Maybe it's you refusing to enforce the law that caused the violence.

00:19:03.000 So, that's what Gavin Newsom tweeted, 8.09 p.m.

00:19:06.000 Four minutes later, quote, the federal government is moving to take over California National Guard and deploy 2,000 soldiers.

00:19:11.000 That move is purposefully inflammatory and will only escalate tensions.

00:19:15.000 I wasn't aware that you were supposed to negotiate.

00:19:18.000 With the terrorists on the streets attacking cop cars.

00:19:22.000 L.A. authorities are able to access law enforcement assistance at a moment's notice.

00:19:26.000 We're in close coordination with the city and county, and there's currently no unmet need.

00:19:30.000 This is the wrong mission and will erode public trust.

00:19:33.000 President Trump then fired back a few minutes later, quote, if Governor Gavin Newsom of California and Mayor Karen Bass of L.A. can't do their jobs, which everyone knows they can't, then the federal government will step in and solve the problems.

00:19:43.000 Riots and looters, the way it should be solved.

00:19:46.000 A few moments later, White House Press Secretary Caroline Lovett put out a statement, quote, In recent days, violent mobs have attacked ICE officers and federal law enforcement agents carrying out basic deportation operations in L.A., California.

00:19:57.000 These operations are essential to halting and reversing the invasion of illegal criminals into the United States. 0.99

00:20:01.000 Now, again, you can make the case that the vast wave of illegal immigrants entering the United States is not a quote-unquote invasion.

00:20:08.000 It's a lot harder to make that case when they're attacking cop cars while flying Mexican flags. 0.99

00:20:12.000 Just a fact.

00:20:14.000 In the wake of this violence, California's feckless Democrat leaders have completely abdicated their responsibility to protect their citizens.

00:20:20.000 That is why President Trump has signed a presidential memorandum deploying 2,000 National Guardsmen to address the lawlessness that has been allowed to fester.

00:20:27.000 The commander-in-chief will ensure the laws of the United States are executed fully and completely.

00:20:31.000 A few minutes after that, Vice President J.D. Vance put out a statement.

00:20:35.000 One of the main technical issues in the immigration judicial battles is whether Joe Biden's border crisis counted as an invasion.

00:20:41.000 So now we have foreign nationals with no legal right to be in the country waving foreign flags and assaulting law enforcement. 1.00

00:20:46.000 If only we had a good word for that.

00:20:47.000 Correct?

00:20:48.000 Correct.

00:20:49.000 Again, even people like me who think that technically it is difficult to say that a continuous stream of illegal immigrants over decades counts as an invasion because theoretically you'd have to be an invading force.

00:20:59.000 If they are flying the flag of Mexico while attacking cop cars, I don't know what else to call that.

00:21:04.000 Do you?

00:21:05.000 Does anyone else have a better word?

00:21:08.000 President Trump.

00:21:09.000 Put out a statement, quote, A once-great American city, Los Angeles, has been invaded and occupied by illegal aliens and criminals.

00:21:15.000 Now violent insurrectionist mobs are swarming and attacking our federal agents to try and stop our deportation operations.

00:21:20.000 But these lawless riots only strengthen our resolve.

00:21:23.000 I'm directing Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, and Attorney General Pam Bondi, in coordination with all other relevant departments and agencies, to take all such action necessary to liberate LA from the migrant invasion and put an end to these migrant riots. 0.93

00:21:38.000 Order will be restored, the illegals will be expelled, and Los Angeles will be set free. 0.96

00:21:41.000 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:21:44.000 So again, how do Democrats respond to this?

00:21:46.000 Well, Mayor Karen Bass, who is most recently seen being in Ghana while the entire city burned down just a few months back and then trying to avoid the media, she put out a statement, quote, This morning, we received reports of federal immigration enforcement actions in multiple locations in Los Angeles.

00:22:01.000 As mayor of a proud city of immigrants who contribute to our city in so many ways, I am deeply angered by what has taken place.

00:22:07.000 By the way, LA is not a city of immigrants.

00:22:10.000 LA is a city of citizens, as all cities in the United States are.

00:22:15.000 If there are people there illegally, they are committing a crime.

00:22:19.000 City of immigrants.

00:22:20.000 Again, I love the lumping together of all the people who legally immigrated or who are the descendants of immigrants with people who are in LA illegally.

00:22:28.000 These tactics show terror in our communities and disrupt basic principles of safety in our city.

00:22:33.000 My office is in close coordination with immigrant rights community organizations.

00:22:36.000 We will not stand for this, said Mayor Karen Bass.

00:22:38.000 We will not stand for this.

00:22:41.000 Now, Kristi Noem, the Homeland Security Secretary, responded.

00:22:44.000 She said, this is complete BS.

00:22:47.000 I want to get to this quote from Mayor Karen Bass, California.

00:22:57.000 We are a city of immigrants, and this impacts hundreds of thousands of Angelenos.

00:23:01.000 Also, Governor Gavin Newsom. 1.00

00:23:06.000 It's bullshit. 1.00

00:23:08.000 They don't do it. 1.00

00:23:09.000 They don't fight for people.

00:23:11.000 They are politicians who are out there jeopardizing the lives of people for politics and an agenda.

00:23:21.000 So again, Gavin Newsom's perspective and the perspective of Democrats is that it is completely irrelevant if people take over the streets, attack ICE, attack the cops.

00:23:29.000 The big problem is that President Trump has activated the National Guard in order to stop all of that.

00:23:34.000 In a moment, we will get to the response from the governor of California, who's supposed to be stopping the rioting.

00:23:38.000 But listen, he has priorities.

00:23:40.000 We'll get to that momentarily.

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00:25:50.000 Gavin Newsom put out a statement, 1036 p.m.

00:25:53.000 This had been June 7th.

00:25:54.000 Quote, they want a spectacle.

00:25:55.000 Don't give them one.

00:25:56.000 Never use violence.

00:25:58.000 Speak out peacefully.

00:25:59.000 Well, I mean, again, I don't understand.

00:26:02.000 ICE is there to enforce the law.

00:26:05.000 Speak out peacefully.

00:26:06.000 I mean, they could use Twitter for the X. They could do all sorts of things.

00:26:10.000 You know what they can't do?

00:26:11.000 Take over freeways.

00:26:12.000 Chuck rocks from overpasses at cop cars, attack police officers, attack ICE officials, burn cars.

00:26:21.000 But Gavin Newsom was very concerned with the Republicans, of course.

00:26:24.000 Quote, the Secretary of Defense is now threatening to deploy active duty Marines on American soil against its own citizens.

00:26:30.000 This is deranged behavior.

00:26:32.000 So just to get this straight, it is deranged to suggest that perhaps we have to deploy troops to stop the chaos in L.A. But it is not deranged for the governor of California to put all of his focus not on stopping the criminality, but on the people attempting to stop the criminality.

00:26:48.000 A couple hours later, President Trump put out a statement, quote, Great job by the National Guard in L.A. After two days of violence, clashes, and unrest, these radical left protests by instigators and often paid troublemakers will not be tolerated.

00:26:59.000 Also, from now on, masks will not be allowed to be worn at protests.

00:27:02.000 What do these people have to hide and why?

00:27:04.000 Again, thank you to the National Guard for a job well done.

00:27:08.000 And so, again, that was as of Friday night.

00:27:11.000 But it continued over Saturday.

00:27:13.000 It continued over Sunday, of course.

00:27:15.000 Tom Homan, the border czar, he suggested that if the mayor and the governor actually obstruct the workings of law enforcement, well, we'll arrest them as well.

00:27:24.000 Are they at risk of being arrested?

00:27:26.000 I'll say it about anybody.

00:27:27.000 You cross that line.

00:27:29.000 It's a felony to knowingly harbor a casino and illegal alien.

00:27:32.000 It's a felony to impede law enforcement from doing their job.

00:27:35.000 Do you think that the mayor of L.A. is doing that?

00:27:37.000 If she crossed that line, we'll ask DOJ to prosecute.

00:27:42.000 Do I think she's crossed the line?

00:27:43.000 I don't think she's crossed the line yet.

00:27:44.000 But I'm telling you, the warning we're sending is we're not going to tolerate people attacking our officers.

00:27:49.000 Thank you.

00:27:51.000 Again, the Democratic response here is so insane.

00:27:54.000 Just put aside the moral.

00:27:56.000 Obviously, it's insane on a moral level.

00:27:57.000 On a political level, are they high on their own supply?

00:28:00.000 What the hell is wrong with the Democratic Party?

00:28:02.000 They look at ICE enforcing the law, and instead of them saying, listen, This is over-enforcement.

00:28:07.000 We think that the priority needs to be criminal illegal immigrants, you know, people who have committed crimes other than their illegal immigration. 1.00

00:28:14.000 There's a misuse of resources.

00:28:16.000 This is all ginned up in order to get headlines for a failing president.

00:28:19.000 Like, that's what a normal Democratic Party would do on this issue. 1.00

00:28:22.000 Instead, what they have decided to do is claim that the rioters are not the problem.

00:28:27.000 The real problem is that the enforcement of law happened in the first place.

00:28:32.000 The city of Glendale.

00:28:33.000 I used to work in Glendale.

00:28:35.000 I had a radio studio over in Glendale.

00:28:36.000 And the city of Glendale put out a statement, quote, After careful consideration, the city of Glendale has decided to end its agreement with U.S. Homeland Security ICE to house federal immigration detainees.

00:28:47.000 This local decision reflects our core values, public safety, transparency, and community trust.

00:28:51.000 The Glendale Police Department does not enforce immigration laws and remains fully compliant with SB 54. Our focus remains on serving Glendale residents and businesses while preserving it as one of the safest cities in the nation.

00:29:04.000 Unbelievable.

00:29:05.000 So Glendale's response to rioters in the streets is, what more can we do for illegal immigrants?

00:29:11.000 Meanwhile, Kamala Harris, you wonder why she lost?

00:29:13.000 She's still around, wandering in the streets like Miss Havisham in Great Expectations, kind of wandering around, a ghost in the machine.

00:29:23.000 She put out a statement, quote, Los Angeles is my home.

00:29:27.000 And like so many Americans, I'm appalled at what we are witnessing on the streets of our city.

00:29:31.000 Deploying the National Guard is a dangerous escalation meant to provoke chaos.

00:29:34.000 In addition to the recent ICE raids in Southern California and across our nation, it is part of the Trump administration's cruel, calculated agenda to spread panic and division.

00:29:42.000 The administration's actions are not about public safety.

00:29:45.000 They're about stoking fear.

00:29:46.000 Fear of a community demanding dignity and due process.

00:29:49.000 Wait, wait, hold up.

00:29:50.000 Are illegal immigrants demanding dignity and due process? 1.00

00:29:52.000 Or have they just been living in the United States without due process for literally years at a time? 0.53

00:29:58.000 By the millions.

00:30:00.000 And I used to live in Los Angeles.

00:30:01.000 The idea that you couldn't find...

00:30:05.000 Growing up in LA, the joke was that people at the federal level would be like, we don't even know where to find the illegal immigrants.

00:30:11.000 They're so hard to find.

00:30:11.000 And everyone in LA would be like, um, I can do it.

00:30:14.000 You can do it.

00:30:15.000 Everybody can do it.

00:30:16.000 Just because ICE is now doing it doesn't mean ICE is doing something wrong.

00:30:21.000 Kamala Harris said protest is a powerful tool, especially in the fight for justice.

00:30:24.000 As the LAPD mayor and governor have noted, demonstrations in defense of our immigrant neighbors have been overwhelmingly peaceful.

00:30:30.000 Ah, fiery, but mostly peaceful.

00:30:31.000 They are so high on their own supply.

00:30:33.000 The Democrats, I don't understand.

00:30:34.000 You lost.

00:30:35.000 You're going to continue to lose.

00:30:36.000 I continue to support the millions of Americans who are standing up to protect our most fundamental rights and freedoms.

00:30:49.000 Instead, she says that the fundamental freedom and right is to apparently be an illegal immigrant.

00:30:56.000 She's appalled at what she's witnessing on the streets of the city.

00:30:59.000 Not the riots.

00:31:00.000 The National Guard.

00:31:02.000 She is appalled by the Trump administration's cruel, calculated agenda to spread panic and division, not at the millions of illegal immigrants that she and her boss let into the country. 0.98

00:31:12.000 Totally insane.

00:31:13.000 And this is the unified position of the Democratic Party.

00:31:16.000 This is the unified position.

00:31:18.000 One California Democrat had the unfortunate juxtaposition of being on TV attacking President Trump while suggesting that peaceful protest was happening as burning car footage was playing next to her.

00:31:29.000 This is Representative Nanette Barragan.

00:31:31.000 She was on CNN and she was talking about how peaceful the protests are.

00:31:34.000 Well, next to her was a burning car.

00:31:39.000 We agree that if you're being violent, you should be arrested.

00:31:42.000 You should be prosecuted.

00:31:43.000 There is no disagreement on that.

00:31:45.000 I think that's an effort that we can all say.

00:31:47.000 But this is not what's happening.

00:31:49.000 We are having an administration that's targeting peaceful protests, people that are there to protest.

00:31:55.000 The president is sending the National Guard because he doesn't like the scenes.

00:31:58.000 He doesn't like the scenes of people peacefully protesting.

00:32:03.000 So much peace.

00:32:05.000 So many peace.

00:32:06.000 Wow.

00:32:06.000 The peace is everywhere.

00:32:07.000 Can you feel the peace?

00:32:08.000 The peace is literally everywhere.

00:32:10.000 Absolutely incredible.

00:32:11.000 Meanwhile, Cory Booker, he of the Mr. Potato Head angry eyes.

00:32:15.000 He was out there doing angry eyes on Meet the Press and saying that, you know, enforcing ICE action or calling the National Guard to quell riots, that's only going to make things worse.

00:32:25.000 Look, since years before I was born, law enforcement knows it's good when there's cooperation and coordination for the president to do this when it wasn't requested.

00:32:35.000 Breaking with generations of tradition is only going to incite the situation and make things worse.

00:32:43.000 You know, it's Trump being inciting.

00:32:45.000 The enforcement of law.

00:32:47.000 I love the Catch-22 Democrats have set up.

00:32:49.000 If you don't enforce the law, that's good.

00:32:51.000 If you do enforce the law, you are inciting the violation of law.

00:32:54.000 So any way you go, the law being broken is the fault of the people enforcing the law.

00:32:59.000 Unbelievable. 0.99

00:32:59.000 Adam Schiff, the most ridiculous senator in America. 0.99

00:33:02.000 And I say ridiculous because the notion this guy should be a senator after bloviating his way through the Russiagate scandal is insane. 0.98

00:33:09.000 But California is an insane state, which is why I picked up my company and my entire family and left.

00:33:13.000 Adam Schiff put out a statement, quote, The Trump administration's calling on the California National Guard without the authorization of the government is unprecedented.

00:33:21.000 This action is designed to inflame tensions, sow chaos, and escalate the situation.

00:33:25.000 If the Guard is needed to restore peace, the governor will ask for it.

00:33:28.000 But continuing down this path will erode trust in the National Guard and set a dangerous precedent for unilateral misuse of the Guard across the country.

00:33:34.000 Oh, that's the issue, is that President Trump is activating the National Guard without a request from the governor, and that's what's sowing chaos.

00:33:41.000 Oh, I see.

00:33:42.000 I see.

00:33:43.000 So it's not the riots sowing the chaos or the fact that California has refused to help federal law enforcement enforce the law for generations.

00:33:50.000 The problem is the National Guard.

00:33:52.000 Violence must stop, says Adam Schiff.

00:33:54.000 We need to keep the focus on protecting fundamental rights.

00:33:56.000 Again, please name the fundamental rights that are being violated.

00:33:58.000 Truly, what are the fundamental rights?

00:34:00.000 The picking up of people who are illegal immigrants for due process and deportation.

00:34:04.000 That's the fundamental right.

00:34:06.000 What is the fundamental right that has been violated?

00:34:08.000 They cannot name it.

00:34:09.000 Because in their belief, again, scavenger mentality, the fundamental right is to destroy the system.

00:34:14.000 And if you impede that, then you have impeded a fundamental right.

00:34:18.000 Adam Schiff says, There is nothing President Trump would like more than a violent confrontation with protesters to justify the unjustifiable invocation of the Insurrection Act or some form of martial law.

00:34:29.000 So he believes that President Trump is desperate to invoke martial law.

00:34:33.000 That's what he's looking for right now.

00:34:36.000 And Bernie Sanders is doing the same thing. 1.00

00:34:37.000 So the socialist Claude Senator from Vermont, lifelong useless person, complete commie moron who's been a blight. 0.99

00:34:49.000 On the body politic? 0.99

00:34:50.000 Since the day he entered it? 1.00

00:34:52.000 A leech on the ass of society? 1.00

00:34:54.000 Bernie Sanders? 1.00

00:34:55.000 I have more in the bag of insults where those came from.

00:34:58.000 Here's Bernie Sanders talking about how Trump wants all the power.

00:35:00.000 This is just a power grab.

00:35:02.000 A power grab to do what?

00:35:03.000 To accomplish what?

00:35:04.000 Did he overthrow the government of California and install a dictator?

00:35:07.000 Or did he just deploy the National Guard to quell violent riots?

00:35:12.000 Here's Bernie Sanders.

00:35:15.000 We have a president who is moving this country rapidly into authoritarianism.

00:35:20.000 He is suing media who criticizes him.

00:35:23.000 He is going after law firms who have clients who were against him.

00:35:28.000 He's threatening to impeach judges who rule against them, and he's usurping the powers of the United States Congress.

00:35:40.000 This guy wants all of the power.

00:35:43.000 He does not believe in the Constitution.

00:35:45.000 He does not believe in the rule of law.

00:35:48.000 My understanding is that the governor of California, the mayor of the city of Los Angeles, did not request the National Guard.

00:35:57.000 but he thinks he has a right to do anything he wants.

00:36:00.000 He thinks he has a right to...

00:36:05.000 Second of all, if Donald Trump became a dictator, that would be the first dictator Bernie Sanders didn't love.

00:36:09.000 Truly.

00:36:10.000 Bernie Sanders has a love affair with every dictator.

00:36:14.000 And then he calls President Trump a dictator.

00:36:16.000 Coming up, we'll get to the legal implications.

00:36:18.000 Democrats say Trump's violating the law, not so much.

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00:38:36.000 So as you can hear from Cory Booker and Bernie Sanders and the rest of the leftist crew, they think they're going to stand on legality.

00:38:42.000 They think President Trump has violated the law.

00:38:45.000 There's only one problem.

00:38:45.000 President Trump absolutely 100% did not violate the law.

00:38:49.000 He signed an executive order citing 10 U.S. Code 12406, which refers to a specific provision within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on armed services.

00:38:59.000 Part of that provision allows the federal deployment of the National Guard forces if, quote, there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the government of the United States.

00:39:07.000 And that law says that the president can call into federal service members and units of the National Guard of any state in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws.

00:39:19.000 So President Trump put in his executive order, to the extent that protests or acts of violence directly inhibit the execution of the laws that constitute a form of rebellion against the authority of the government of the United States.

00:39:29.000 Now, there are a couple of legal authorities that President Trump could cite here.

00:39:33.000 So first of all, we have to go back to the Posse Comitatus Act.

00:39:37.000 So there was an act called the Posse Comitatus Act, 1878, and it says that the local law enforcement cannot be drafted into the effectuation of federal law.

00:39:49.000 And the military is not supposed to enforce civilian laws.

00:39:52.000 You're not supposed to call up the U.S. military, call in the army to enforce civilian laws is the idea.

00:39:59.000 It was originally passed, for people who actually care about the history, in 1878, it was designed to stop Union troops from enforcing federal civil rights law in the South.

00:40:08.000 So it actually was an anti-reconstruction bill, originally, for all the people who are constantly citing it.

00:40:14.000 Just, that's the history.

00:40:15.000 Okay, well, there's another act that trumps the Posse Comitatus Act, depending on the actual circumstances, that's called the Insurrection Act of 1807.

00:40:24.000 And it was designed to allow the military to put down actual insurrections.

00:40:27.000 And the president can federalize the National Guard in those circumstances and then have them basically enforce civilian law.

00:40:33.000 That's not what he's doing here.

00:40:34.000 Title X does not actually invoke the Insurrection Act.

00:40:37.000 Title X, this particular provision, doesn't do that.

00:40:40.000 Instead, it basically says that they can act in a sort of support role for the National Guard.

00:40:46.000 If you're calling up the military, they can act in a support role and the National Guard can also act in a support role for local law enforcement.

00:40:52.000 So they are not in and of themselves effectuating kind of local law.

00:40:56.000 That's not their job.

00:40:58.000 So you hear people right now suggesting that this is unprecedented, what's happening.

00:41:02.000 So first of all, the president has, in fact, used the National Guard to put down riots.

00:41:07.000 President Reagan did it in 1987 to suppress a prison riot in Atlanta.

00:41:10.000 George H.W. Bush famously did it during the LA riots of 1992.

00:41:13.000 Now, what Democrats are saying is that in both those circumstances, the governor of the state, in one case Georgia, in the other case California, requested the use of the National Guard.

00:41:22.000 But it's not totally unprecedented.

00:41:25.000 So, for example, in 1957, President Eisenhower used the Insurrection Act in order to enforce school desegregation in Arkansas over the objections of the state.

00:41:35.000 In 1965, LBJ did the same, sent federal troops to enforce desegregation in Alabama.

00:41:41.000 But again, the provision of law that Trump is citing here is not actually the full-scale use of the United States military or even the National Guard to just enforce law, like civilian law.

00:41:54.000 The basic idea here is that they are acting in a support role, which they totally can do.

00:41:58.000 This is a point that Kristi Noem was making the Department of Homeland Security.

00:42:02.000 Here she was.

00:42:03.000 Well, if he was doing his job, then people wouldn't have gotten hurt the last couple of days.

00:42:07.000 We wouldn't have officers with a shattered wrist from bricks being thrown through their vehicles, their vehicles being burned, flags being burned in the street, and Molotov cocktails being thrown.

00:42:17.000 Governor Newsom has proven that he makes bad decisions.

00:42:20.000 The president knows that he makes bad decisions, and that's why the president chose the safety of this community over waiting for Governor Newsom to get some sanity.

00:42:29.000 And that's one of the reasons why these National Guard soldiers are being federalized, so they can use their special skill set to keep peace.

00:42:36.000 All right.

00:42:38.000 Joining us on the line is Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas.

00:42:40.000 He, of course, is way ahead of the game when it came to using the National Guard to put down riots.

00:42:44.000 He wrote about that for The New York Times.

00:42:45.000 In 2020, with regard to the BLM riots, the left went insane, and it turns out, of course, he was right. 0.98

00:42:50.000 Senator Cotton, welcome to the show.

00:42:52.000 Thank you, Ben.

00:42:52.000 It's good to be on with you.

00:42:55.000 So, let's talk about the situation in California.

00:42:57.000 Under what legal circumstances can the president actually call out the National Guard or use the military in circumstances like this?

00:43:05.000 Well, Ben, as I explained in that 2020 op-ed, which you're right, did cause the liberals at the New York Times to lose their mind.

00:43:11.000 It's just basic common sense.

00:43:13.000 We have a hierarchy of authority in this country.

00:43:16.000 First, you always want to see the local police be able to control any violence.

00:43:20.000 If they're not able to, or in some cases, like you've seen in California.

00:43:24.000 They're not allowed to.

00:43:26.000 That's why you have a National Guard that's trained in riot control as well.

00:43:30.000 And the final authority is the Insurrection Act.

00:43:32.000 It's a law that goes back to the founding of the Republic nearly.

00:43:35.000 Many presidents have used it over the history of time.

00:43:38.000 It was used in the LA riots in 1992.

00:43:40.000 The president said over the weekend that the violence isn't yet to that level, but he stands ready to make sure that we are protecting.

00:43:49.000 We're protecting local police, protecting ICE, the FBI, ATF, and federal property.

00:43:55.000 Look, it's fine if you want to oppose the president's immigration policy.

00:43:59.000 We had a debate on that in the campaign, though.

00:44:01.000 The president won.

00:44:02.000 The American people want to stop the slow-motion invasion we saw for four years in the Biden administration.

00:44:06.000 They want to deport illegal aliens, especially violent illegal aliens.

00:44:10.000 What you cannot do is violently attack law enforcement and obstruct the proper functioning of federal authority.

00:44:19.000 So, Senator Cotton, people who are now claiming that the president is doing something absolutely unprecedented in all of this, what are they basing that on?

00:44:27.000 I guess they claim that usually when the National Guard is called out, it's at the behest of the governors, but it doesn't have to be at the behest of the governors.

00:44:34.000 That is sort of just a construct.

00:44:36.000 When can the president of the United States activate the National Guard?

00:44:41.000 Well, typically, it's when the mayors and the governors of a city or a state refuse to protect innocent lives, refuse to protect federal property and federal personnel.

00:44:50.000 The president can use the National Guard if necessary.

00:44:54.000 President Eisenhower, for instance, used the National Guard in my state when Orville Faubus, a Democrat segregationist, refused to follow the law and integrate Little Rock Central in the 1950s.

00:45:05.000 The president has the ultimate authority over the National Guard, just like, of course, he does over the active duty troops.

00:45:10.000 As President Trump has said, he would like to see local authorities and local police handle this situation, but the scenes we saw over the weekend shows that they're either unwilling or unable to.

00:45:20.000 You have cars being smashed and set on fire.

00:45:23.000 You have violent street gangs attacking law enforcement and attacking federal authorities, people stopping traffic, not just on city streets, but on major highways.

00:45:32.000 Throwing bricks and cement and frozen water bottles at federal authorities.

00:45:37.000 We can't tolerate this kind of lawlessness.

00:45:39.000 And it needs to end now.

00:45:40.000 And President Trump, with whom I consulted over the weekend, promised that he is going to protect innocent lives and property and federal property and personnel in Los Angeles.

00:45:50.000 And Senator Cotton, meanwhile, it seems like the Democratic Party have absolutely lost their minds.

00:45:54.000 They're apparently incredibly angry at President Trump.

00:45:57.000 For actually enforcing the law.

00:45:58.000 They're angry at ICE for doing these federal immigration enforcement actions in LA.

00:46:03.000 And they're casting aspersion at the president for calling in ICE, calling in the National Guard and suggesting that this is somehow provocative.

00:46:09.000 It is amazing to me that one of the main parties in the United States is suggesting that the basic enforcement of immigration law is now a provocation to lawlessness and that the lawlessness is actually a secondary problem.

00:46:20.000 Yeah, Ben, I mean, the Democrats are an open borders party.

00:46:24.000 They have been for a long time.

00:46:25.000 We saw that in the Biden era when we had a slow motion invasion.

00:46:29.000 The American people elected Donald Trump and Republicans last year to stop that invasion and begin to roll it back.

00:46:34.000 That includes conducting immigration raids if you have known sites with large numbers of illegal aliens being employed by unscrupulous businesses.

00:46:44.000 You don't get some kind of magic get-out-of-jail-free card just because it happens in a democratic city or a democratic state.

00:46:49.000 Federal law and federal authority is supreme no matter how a state's politics work.

00:46:56.000 And you can't say that just because we're enforcing the law, which the American people elected President Trump and Republicans to do last year, then we're going to riot in the streets.

00:47:05.000 We're going to attack police officers.

00:47:07.000 We're going to throw bottles of frozen water and bricks and cement at ATF or FBI or other federal personnel.

00:47:14.000 The Democrats, again, are an open borders party.

00:47:17.000 And now they've taken that open borders philosophy to the enforcement of basic laws inside of our country.

00:47:24.000 They're opposed to law and order.

00:47:26.000 They're on the side of violent, illegal aliens who are setting businesses and cars on fire while they wave the flags of foreign countries. 0.96

00:47:36.000 Senator Cotton, one of the things that I think is most astounding about the Democratic Party over the course of the last decade.

00:47:40.000 It's not just the sanctuary city policies, but the fact that the federal government has literally stood in the way of states actually helping to enforce federal immigration law.

00:47:49.000 We saw this with the state of Arizona.

00:47:51.000 We saw this with the Biden administration attempting to go after the state of Texas for helping to enforce immigration law.

00:47:56.000 This is such an open borders party.

00:47:58.000 Not only do you have local officials saying they don't wish to effectuate federal immigration law, you have when the Democrats are in power.

00:48:04.000 Federal officials saying that they don't wish to enforce immigration law and that states who do wish to enforce immigration law need to be stopped from doing so.

00:48:11.000 Yeah, it's a good point, Ben.

00:48:12.000 not just did Joe Biden open the border, he stopped state and local authorities and Republican states, especially states that were most affected by this slow motion invasion like Texas, from doing some small part to try to restore a modicum of law and order in their communities and in their states.

00:48:32.000 You saw the statement over the weekend from Kamala Harris.

00:48:35.000 You've seen what Gavin Newsom has had to say.

00:48:37.000 Some of my colleagues, Democratic senators, have all blamed Donald Trump for violent illegal aliens and Antifa and pro-Hamas sympathizers for attacking law enforcement and setting cars on fire and blocking traffic on major streets and obstructing access to federal property.

00:48:55.000 This is not what the American people voted for last year.

00:48:59.000 Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas, who was way ahead of the curve on this, he said that we needed to call out the National Guard during the Bialem riots.

00:49:06.000 Obviously, that should have been done.

00:49:07.000 This time, President Trump is getting it right.

00:49:09.000 Senator Cotton, really appreciate the time.

00:49:11.000 Thank you, Ben.

00:49:12.000 Good to be on with you.

00:49:13.000 So, what kind of benefits are available to illegal immigrants in the state of California?

00:49:17.000 I asked our sponsor over at Perplexity the answer to that, to list all of the state, local, federal, public benefits to which illegal immigrants are entitled in the state of California, up to and including education.

00:49:28.000 And here is the list.

00:49:29.000 K-12 education.

00:49:31.000 All children in California, regardless of immigration status, have the right to a free K-12 public education.

00:49:37.000 Higher education.

00:49:38.000 Undocumented students may qualify for in-state tuition at California public colleges and universities under AB 540 if they meet certain criteria.

00:49:46.000 They can also apply for state-based financial aid through the California Dream Act application.

00:49:51.000 Healthcare.

00:49:52.000 All undocumented immigrants are eligible for emergency Medi-Cal coverage.

00:49:55.000 thousands of dollars per year.

00:49:57.000 Undocumented children, adults ages 26 and older, individuals age 50 plus, pregnant and postpartum individuals, human trafficking survivors, U-Visa applicants and holders, and certain other groups can access full scope Medi-Cal if they meet income and other eligibility requirements.

00:50:12.000 Other health programs, home support services, early breast cancer detection, breast and cervical cancer treatment, family planning, impact to prostate cancer treatment, That's women, infants, and children, food and nutrition assistance available regardless of immigration status, school meals, Available.

00:50:29.000 Undocumented workers can apply for state disability insurance and paid family leave benefits without a social security number, shelter and emergency services, legal aid.

00:50:38.000 So that is a lot of benefits to people who are coming across the border.

00:50:42.000 Available.

00:50:43.000 All righty.

00:50:44.000 Meanwhile, the media continue to absolutely beclown themselves over all of this.

00:50:49.000 So in the fiery but mostly peaceful quote of the entire conflagration so far, this is an amazing clip.

00:50:57.000 Okay, so apparently over on local news, there was, believe it or not, a reporter who was watching the footage of all of this go down.

00:51:07.000 And this reporter suggested this is not violent.

00:51:10.000 All of these burning cars, this is not violent.

00:51:12.000 Burning cars is just fun, you see.

00:51:14.000 It's mostly just people having fun.

00:51:16.000 I don't know about you.

00:51:17.000 I don't have fun by setting cars on fire.

00:51:19.000 It's never occurred to me to have fun by setting random strangers' cars on fire.

00:51:24.000 But according to this reporter at ABC7, This is not violence.

00:51:28.000 This is not violence.

00:51:29.000 When somebody's car gets burned, that is just some good, solid, old home fun.

00:51:35.000 Here we go.

00:51:37.000 Large group of people.

00:51:38.000 It could turn very volatile if you move law enforcement in there in the wrong way and turn what is just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn into a massive confrontation and altercation between officers and demonstrators.

00:51:55.000 It's all just people having fun watching cars burn.

00:51:58.000 You know, like you used to do when you were a kid.

00:52:01.000 Just like that. 0.99

00:52:03.000 These people are so crazy. 1.00

00:52:05.000 They're so crazy. 1.00

00:52:06.000 But this is the entire left-wing media now. 0.85

00:52:09.000 The entire left-wing media has been driven so insane by President Trump that anyone even remotely associated with the enforcement of basic black-letter immigration law is now the problem, and people who burn cars are the heroes.

00:52:21.000 And this is nothing new.

00:52:23.000 Revolutionary violence in which the scavenger left now consistently engages and for which they consistently make excuses is truly mortifying and shocking.

00:52:33.000 Some people in the United States were making fun of France for watching people allow massive burning of cars and riots in the streets.

00:52:42.000 And they're saying, you import an entire population to do this? 0.94

00:52:45.000 Are you insane?

00:52:46.000 Well, it appears that we have a domestic population in the United States, some of whom are very happy. 0.97

00:52:50.000 To watch the cars burn.

00:52:52.000 And others who are very happy to burn the cars.

00:52:54.000 Meanwhile, over at ABC News, I don't know what's going on at ABC.

00:52:57.000 That report is at ABC 7. At ABC News, Terry Moran, whose name is misspelled by one letter, he is the senior national correspondent over at ABC News.

00:53:08.000 And he had posted over on X the following, quote, The thing about Stephen Miller, and Stephen Miller is the architect of much of the president's immigration policy, is not that he is the brains behind Trumpism.

00:53:18.000 Yes.

00:53:19.000 He's one of the people who conceptualizes the impulses of the Trumpist movement and translates them into policy.

00:53:24.000 But that's not what's interesting about Miller.

00:53:26.000 It's not brains.

00:53:27.000 It's bile.

00:53:28.000 Miller is a man who is richly endowed with the capacity for hatred.

00:53:32.000 He's a world-class hater.

00:53:33.000 You can see this just by looking at him because you can see that his hatreds are his spiritual nourishment.

00:53:38.000 He eats his hate.

00:53:39.000 Trump is a world-class hater, but his hatred is only a means to an end.

00:53:43.000 And that end is his own glorification.

00:53:45.000 That's his spiritual nourishment.

00:53:48.000 So ABC News immediately suspended Terry Moran.

00:53:52.000 They said, quote, ABC News stands for objectivity and impartiality in its news coverage and does not condone subjective personal attacks on others.

00:53:58.000 The post does not reflect the views of ABC News and violated our standards.

00:54:01.000 As a result, Terry Moran has been suspended pending further evaluation.

00:54:04.000 Now, there are some people on the left who are saying this is cancel culture, cancel culture, Terry Moran.

00:54:08.000 Okay.

00:54:09.000 ABC News.

00:54:10.000 We'd like to pretend that Terry Moran is an objective news reporter.

00:54:12.000 Now, many of us have been saying for years that Terry Moran is obviously not an objective news reporter.

00:54:17.000 He has his own opinions, and he makes those opinions quite clear in his coverage.

00:54:21.000 However, this mask-off moment for ABC News was somewhat humiliating to them, and so they had to then walk it back by suspending Terry Moran for this statement.

00:54:33.000 J.D. Vance, Vice President of the United States.

00:54:36.000 Put out a tweet on X, quote, an ABC journalist posted this absolutely vile smear of Stephen Miller.

00:54:42.000 It's dripping with hatred.

00:54:43.000 Remember that every time you watch ABC's coverage of the Trump administration.

00:54:48.000 Caroline Lovett said that this is unhinged and unacceptable.

00:54:51.000 We have reached out to ABC to inquire how they plan to hold Terry accountable.

00:54:57.000 So, I mean, first of all, you know.

00:55:00.000 Do I think that the White House should be reaching out to news outlets to quote-unquote hold reporters accountable for their coverage?

00:55:05.000 I'm not a big fan of that.

00:55:07.000 ABC News, beclowned itself, didn't need the White House to actually like step in and start pushing them to do things. 0.81

00:55:14.000 Frankly, I would like for Terry Moran to remain on the air so that we can all claim correctly that Terry Moran is a tool bag and that Terry Moran is completely non-objective, which of course he is.

00:55:26.000 But this is all part and parcel of the media's decision that they are now resistance media.

00:55:30.000 This has been happening since the Barack Obama administration.

00:55:32.000 In 2008, the media decided they were full on board with the Democrats.

00:55:35.000 It was ride or die.

00:55:37.000 And they were going to oppose anything Republicans did forever and always.

00:55:41.000 And that became clear to everybody, which is why The Daily Wire exists.

00:55:44.000 It's why we're a massively successful right-wing media company.

00:55:47.000 We're not the only ones, obviously.

00:55:49.000 The media exposing themselves, I think, is actually the feature, not the bug.

00:55:53.000 I think it's good that people like Terry Moran are tweeting that kind of stuff out.

00:55:56.000 I think that's good.

00:55:57.000 Meanwhile, 60 Minutes is Scott Pelley, who's going around patting himself on the back for a living these days.

00:56:02.000 He was sounding off about the fact that 60 Minutes and CBS might have to do a settlement with the Trump administration over some of their coverage, carving up a Kamala Harris interview, etc.

00:56:13.000 And Scott Pelley, who's just enjoying his moment in the spotlight here, he says it would be incredibly damaging.

00:56:19.000 If the Trump suit were to settle, well, I mean, then he can pay the bill if CBS News loses.

00:56:25.000 Why don't they say that?

00:56:26.000 Why doesn't he sign some sort of indemnity clause with CBS News, whereby if 60 Minutes is the cause of CBS News losing a lot of money to President Trump, he gets to personally pay it.

00:56:37.000 Then he can be in charge of the lawsuit.

00:56:39.000 Instead, he really enjoys putting other people's money where his mouth is.

00:56:42.000 Here we go.

00:56:43.000 If there is a settlement, and as part of the settlement there's an apology, How damaging is that to CBS?

00:56:52.000 Well, it'd be very damaging to CBS, to Paramount, to the reputation of those companies.

00:57:00.000 I think many of the law firms that made deals with the White House are at this very moment regretting it.

00:57:07.000 That doesn't look like their finest hour.

00:57:11.000 Again, the Democrats cannot get off of this.

00:57:14.000 They cannot.

00:57:15.000 Any sort of bending the knee to Trump must be forbidden.

00:57:18.000 And that includes on their most radical issues.

00:57:20.000 The coalition of scavengers.

00:57:22.000 I point out again.

00:57:23.000 An inordinate number of people who are throwing rocks at cop cars in Los Angeles are wearing kefias and carrying Palestinian flags. 0.71

00:57:29.000 What the hell does that have to do with immigration policy in Los Angeles?

00:57:32.000 The answer is nothing, except that you have to recognize there's a coalition of people who hate the civilization in which they live.

00:57:38.000 Period.

00:57:39.000 End of story.

00:57:39.000 They believe that the system is itself responsible for all inequities in American life and in global politics.

00:57:46.000 And so that system has to be torn down to the nail.

00:57:50.000 And this is why Democrats cannot, Democrats are deeply imbued with this philosophy, and they cannot separate off from it.

00:57:56.000 And Republicans keep pointing this out.

00:57:58.000 So, for example, according to Axios, what would otherwise be an uncontroversial congressional vote to denounce a Boulder, Colorado terrorist attack on Jews is now devolving into a contentious partisan feud.

00:58:09.000 Why?

00:58:09.000 Well, because there's a resolution pushed by House Republicans that condemned the Boulder, Colorado terror attack.

00:58:15.000 In which a Molotov cocktail-wielding illegal immigrant threw Molotov cocktails at a bunch of Jews, injuring 12, including a Holocaust survivor.

00:58:23.000 And this resolution includes language praising Immigration and Customs Enforcement and saying that free Palestine is an anti-Semitic slogan, both of which are true. 1.00

00:58:31.000 Of course, free Palestine is an anti-Semitic slogan.

00:58:34.000 They're not talking about freeing Palestine from Hamas. 0.67

00:58:37.000 They're not talking about freeing Palestine from terrorist groups.

00:58:39.000 They're talking about freeing Palestine, as in like from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, as in.

00:58:48.000 So Democrats are split on this.

00:58:50.000 They can't vote for the resolution because they're afraid of pissing off their wild left-wing base.

00:58:54.000 Quote, it's sheer politics, said one senior House Democrat, speaking on the condition of anonymity to offer candid thoughts about a sensitive vote.

00:59:00.000 A senior House Democrat told Axios, it's unfortunate.

00:59:03.000 They're using a serious anti-Semitic terrorist attack as a wedge opportunity to divide Democrats.

00:59:07.000 They know what they were doing is adding something like that in there.

00:59:10.000 Nice little catch to put Democrats on the board, vented a third house Democrat.

00:59:13.000 Well, you know what you could do is vote in favor of the resolution.

00:59:18.000 You could do that.

00:59:19.000 All it would take is admitting that the label Free Palestine is, quote, an anti-Semitic slogan that calls for the destruction of the state of Israel and the Jewish people, which is true. 1.00

00:59:28.000 But Democrats don't want to be called on the carpet. 0.78

00:59:30.000 They want to be able to condemn anti-Semitism while winking and nodding at anti-Semitism.

00:59:34.000 They would love to be able to condemn violence while winking and nodding at violence.

00:59:38.000 They would love to be able to condemn.

00:59:40.000 A person who is an illegal immigrant chucking Molotov cocktails at Holocaust survivors. 1.00

00:59:44.000 They'd love to be able to condemn that while simultaneously condemning ICE.

00:59:48.000 They would love all those things.

00:59:51.000 Representative Richie Torres, Democrat of New York, said, quote, Free Palestine should mean liberating Palestinians from the oppression of Hamas.

00:59:58.000 Instead, it has come to signify something far more sinister, the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state.

01:00:03.000 Correct.

01:00:04.000 Correct.

01:00:05.000 The fact that Democrats are split on this is just another indicator that they are addicted to the radicalism, totally addicted to it.

01:00:11.000 Meanwhile, Democrats also cannot let go of the trans issue. 0.67

01:00:14.000 So while they are losing on the trans issue, you know, like boys playing against girls in sports, they have no capacity to simply divide off from that insane position. 0.97

01:00:23.000 They can't get over it. 1.00

01:00:26.000 So Democrats continue to double down on that idiotic position, that totally idiotic position. 1.00

01:00:33.000 Pete Buttigieg, who made history as an openly gay presidential candidate and could also run again in 2028, he will, called for empathy in a recent podcast appearance, empathy for trans students in a terrifying position, but also empathy for people who sincerely want to make sure that sports are safe and fair. 1.00

01:00:47.000 So empathy for all sides, but no actual policy.

01:00:51.000 Shame on any of us who throws a trans child under the bus, said Tim Walls in a speech recently.

01:00:56.000 That child deserves our support.

01:00:57.000 Don't worry about the pollsters calling it distractions.

01:00:59.000 We need to be the party of human dignity.

01:01:01.000 Democrats cannot get over themselves.

01:01:02.000 They cannot.

01:01:03.000 And so they deserve everything that they are getting.

01:01:06.000 Speaking of which, speaking of the transnational, democratic, left-wing radicalism, Greta Thunberg, irritating child turned to irritating adult. 1.00

01:01:17.000 She took a flotilla of idiots. 1.00

01:01:20.000 Supposedly, they were going to enter Gaza with humanitarian aid. 1.00

01:01:23.000 Apparently, they had on like one truckload on this boat, which would have fed like five people, which is very, very exciting.

01:01:28.000 And it was an amazing three-hour tour of the Mediterranean.

01:01:33.000 Unfortunately, the USS Minnow here did not end up on some deserted isle with the professor in Mariam.

01:01:39.000 There was some video of this flotilla, which was just a boat, which had an actor from Game of Thrones, Davos Seaworth.

01:01:47.000 This is his only real sailing experience is my understanding.

01:01:50.000 He was on this boat and they took a video of...

01:01:57.000 They literally floated right by a bunch of Sudanese refugees on an inflatable. 0.95

01:02:01.000 Now, you may have noticed that Sudan is a place, and Libya, which is where they were leaving.

01:02:06.000 Those are both horrifying places with serious humanitarian crises.

01:02:09.000 And this floatel just went right on by.

01:02:11.000 Went right on by.

01:02:12.000 And they took some video, some very nice video of these Sudanese refugees being picked up.

01:02:17.000 And they took some video, some very nice videos, and they took some video, some very nice videos.

01:02:25.000 So what exactly did the flotilla do?

01:02:27.000 Apparently, the flotilla, when they first saw it, they were there, apparently, before the international law enforcement stopped by to pick up the Sudanese refugees.

01:02:35.000 Apparently, when the flotilla first went by, instead of, you know, if they wanted to help out refugees, like actual refugees, they could have picked these people up and they could have theoretically tried to take them back to Europe.

01:02:45.000 Instead, what they did was they tried to give them flour.

01:02:48.000 And apparently, the Sudanese refugees were like, the hell am I going to do with flour? 1.00

01:02:51.000 Run a boat in the middle of the water.

01:02:53.000 I'm going to do with flour.

01:02:54.000 You got any sourdough star kit?

01:02:56.000 Like, what exactly are you trying to give us here?

01:02:59.000 What in the world? 0.63

01:03:01.000 Low IQ radicalism. 0.99

01:03:03.000 The coalition, the omni-cause, the coalition of scavenger nonsense. 1.00

01:03:08.000 So, what happened is this boat, this flotilla of stupidity, was approaching Gaza. 1.00

01:03:15.000 And the Israelis have blockade around Gaza because Hamas is a terrorist group and they don't want resources going to the terrorist group. 0.99

01:03:21.000 And they've already set up the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation to take away the capacity of Hamas to distribute aid to itself and shoot people who don't coordinate with it.

01:03:29.000 Anyway, Greta and team were picked up by Israeli law enforcement.

01:03:34.000 The Israeli Navy went over there and in a peaceful process, they took over the boat and they proceeded to give everybody water and sandwiches.

01:03:41.000 You know, precisely as a genocidal army would do.

01:03:43.000 They gave everybody a bunch of water and sandwiches.

01:03:51.000 Wow, look at these deeply suffering people right here.

01:03:55.000 It's a rough life.

01:03:58.000 And then they started handing off some challah to people, you know, give them some snacks.

01:04:04.000 It's a brutal moment for, wow.

01:04:06.000 You can see, look at these vicious, vicious soldiers giving people water and snacks.

01:04:11.000 And that these people are happy to take it.

01:04:13.000 I'll tell you one person who's particularly happy to take it, Greta Thunberg.

01:04:16.000 Broad smiles on her face as she was given challah.

01:04:19.000 Here she was.

01:04:21.000 Wait until somebody tells her that's Jew bread right there. 0.99

01:04:26.000 There she is.

01:04:27.000 She's wearing a fishing hat and grinning broadly as she is given a challah by an Israeli soldier.

01:04:33.000 Obviously, she's deeply suffering.

01:04:36.000 She's enjoying herself so much.

01:04:38.000 All she wants.

01:04:39.000 All she wants is the clicks.

01:04:40.000 That's all she wants.

01:04:41.000 She wants attention. 0.99

01:04:41.000 She's so desperate for attention. 0.99

01:04:43.000 So desperate for attention.

01:04:45.000 She's basically the Katy Perry of international left-wing politics. 0.98

01:04:51.000 So she's aged out of the role and she's desperate for attention and she will do anything for it. 0.61

01:04:55.000 Anything.

01:04:57.000 So after being given challah and hummus by the Israelis, she then filmed a video saying she was kidnapped.

01:05:02.000 So just to point out how sick this is, she was literally trying to float a boat to the people. 0.75

01:05:07.000 Who kidnapped and are still holding hostage Israelis, like live Israelis in tunnels. 0.88

01:05:12.000 And she's the one who's being kidnapped.

01:05:14.000 By kidnapped, she means that they picked her up in the waters and they gave her food.

01:05:20.000 And now they're going to tow that boat to Israel, to Ashdod, presumably.

01:05:24.000 And then they're going to fly people home, just as one would do were they kidnapped.

01:05:30.000 These people, it would be funny if it weren't so sad, but it's a little funny.

01:05:34.000 Here's it.

01:05:35.000 Greta Thunberg, overgrown child. 1.00

01:05:37.000 How dare you?

01:05:38.000 I've been kidnapped.

01:05:39.000 That's why my kidnappers are allowing me to film this video and send it to all of you as a kidnapper would do.

01:05:46.000 My name is Greta Thunberg and I am from Sweden.

01:05:49.000 If you see this video, we have been intercepted and kidnapped in international waters by the Israeli occupational forces or forces that support Israel.

01:05:59.000 I urge all my friends, family and comrades to Oh, believe you me.

01:06:14.000 That's what the Israelis should do.

01:06:15.000 They should put her in a lifeboat and just be like, okay, you're released.

01:06:17.000 Enjoy yourself.

01:06:18.000 But they're not going to.

01:06:19.000 They'll bring her back to Israel. 1.00

01:06:20.000 And then they will presumably send her on a plane.

01:06:24.000 Maybe they'll make her sail.

01:06:26.000 Because the plane has carbon emissions.

01:06:29.000 I mean, again, I think the best thing they could do for the planet is put her in a rowboat and just leave her out there. 1.00

01:06:34.000 And then they can see if she, number one, can make it all the way to Gaza on her own.

01:06:37.000 And number two, she can be environmentally friendly. 0.99

01:06:41.000 Because that is the most environmentally friendly solution, probably.

01:06:44.000 This is your international left.

01:06:47.000 What amazing people they are, truly.

01:06:50.000 Alrighty.

01:06:50.000 Meanwhile, speaking of the hyperactive, insane left, the left has sympathy for all the wrong people.

01:06:57.000 There is something called the Innocence Project.

01:06:59.000 You've heard about it in the media.

01:07:00.000 It is a project that is designed, presumably, to free people on death row who have been put there through no fault of their own.

01:07:09.000 They were wrongly convicted.

01:07:10.000 That's not really what it's about.

01:07:11.000 Our friend Allie Beth Stuckey is here to explain.

01:07:14.000 She, of course, is a wife, mom of three, and host of the podcast Relatable, where she analyzes culture, theology, and politics from a Christian conservative perspective.

01:07:20.000 And she's the New York Times bestselling author of Toxic Empathy and You're Not Enough. 0.96

01:07:24.000 And that's okay.

01:07:25.000 Allie, thanks so much for joining the show.

01:07:26.000 I really appreciate it.

01:07:27.000 Yeah, thanks for having me.

01:07:31.000 So you have been covering in great detail the Innocence Project.

01:07:35.000 Now this, of course, has been a group that has been fetted by the media, treated as absolutely wonderful because supposedly their goal is to get people who are innocent of crimes out of prison where they were wrongly convicted.

01:07:46.000 But you've uncovered some facts about the actual stuff that they do and what happens to some of the people who are released thanks to the work of the Innocence Project.

01:07:52.000 Why don't you talk about that?

01:07:54.000 Yeah, of course it sounds good.

01:07:56.000 None of us want a wrongly convicted person to be in prison.

01:07:58.000 We definitely don't want them to endure the death penalty. 0.74

01:08:01.000 And so an organization that says that they are freeing people who have been wrongly convicted sounds really good.

01:08:08.000 Their PR challenge isn't very big.

01:08:11.000 They can easily get people on their side by kind of spinning this narrative.

01:08:15.000 So they'll pick a particular kind of person, not just any person that's in prison.

01:08:19.000 It's typically an immigrant. 0.97

01:08:21.000 It's typically some kind of racial minority.

01:08:23.000 It's typically someone maybe with a special needs diagnosis.

01:08:27.000 that was true in the state of Texas with someone by the name of Robert Robertson, whom they claim had an autism diagnosis, and that's why he got convicted.

01:08:36.000 But they will conveniently leave out many details from the case in order to convince people that our justice system is unfairly discriminating against people who are different.

01:08:50.000 But when you dig into it, you see that a lot of the people that they are defending are guilty of very heinous crimes.

01:08:56.000 Thanks.

01:08:58.000 So one of the people that you mentioned was, of course, this Robert Robertson character who was convicted of murdering his two-year-old daughter, and he was about to be executed.

01:09:06.000 But the Innocence Project took up his case and they sort of painted him as someone with special needs, as an innocent autistic dad.

01:09:12.000 What was the actual story?

01:09:14.000 Yeah, the actual story is if you dig into the witness testimony, if you dig into the testimonies of the doctors and the nurses who took care of Nikki, this baby, in the ER, he had prior 17 felony convictions.

01:09:27.000 He had actually been accused.

01:09:29.000 Of abusing his exes, of abusing other children that were in his care.

01:09:35.000 So why he was out of prison, I'm not really sure.

01:09:37.000 But he brought his child unconscious to the ER.

01:09:41.000 A nurse testified that the back of her skull was mushy, that her brain had moved from the right to the left.

01:09:48.000 She had injuries that were consistent with sexual assaults, and they concluded that this couldn't have been accidental.

01:09:56.000 He claimed that, oh, she fell off the bed, but her injuries were consistent with very traumatic abuse.

01:10:03.000 And the Innocence Project says, oh, this was based on this debunked science of shaken baby syndrome.

01:10:09.000 But that's actually not why he was convicted.

01:10:12.000 There was a lot more evidence that ended up convicting him, had nothing to do with shaken baby syndrome.

01:10:18.000 He wasn't diagnosed with autism, if it's even an accurate diagnosis, until 15 years after his conviction.

01:10:25.000 So the Innocence Project kind of worked.

01:10:28.000 With him to get that diagnosis and then, of course, has used that to make him seem like what they've used is a Forrest Gump type figure, which is a very strange characteristic of someone who, in all likelihood, murdered his two-year-old daughter.

01:10:45.000 Now, again, as you mentioned, the media have treated the Innocence Project sort of in the same way they treated BLM, as a wondrous civil rights group.

01:10:51.000 That is only concerned with helping innocent people.

01:10:54.000 But the reality is that, of course, it is a far-left project.

01:10:58.000 You detail exactly who's behind the Innocence Project, who their founders were, who their financial backing is.

01:11:04.000 Can you talk about that?

01:11:06.000 Yes, it shouldn't come as a surprise that they get a lot of their funding from George Soros' Open Society, all of the people that run the Innocence Project.

01:11:14.000 At least now, maybe this hasn't been true forever, but they are exclusively on the left.

01:11:19.000 They have worked for left-wing organizations.

01:11:22.000 They have fought very hard for the release of convicted criminals.

01:11:26.000 That they see as kind of left-wing activists, like cop killers, members of the Black Panthers.

01:11:32.000 And of course, it goes all the way back to the OJ trial.

01:11:35.000 The attorneys that were defending OJ were the ones that actually helped start the Innocence Project.

01:11:41.000 This is really more about...

01:12:03.000 whether or not they committed a crime.

01:12:05.000 But they know if they can pick someone who seems wrongly convicted, and maybe in some cases they are wrongly convicted.

01:12:11.000 They can get people to start doubting our justice system in general, and their big goal is to make everyone against the death penalty, no matter the crime committed.

01:12:22.000 So, what has been their impact in terms of, you know, sort of the broader American public?

01:12:26.000 Obviously, there are a lot of interest groups out there, but they've been a pretty impactful one.

01:12:31.000 Yes, I mean, you have people on both the left and the right who have worked with the Innocence Project, and I don't want to blame everyone who has worked with them because, again, it seems like a very worthy goal. 0.52

01:12:41.000 And their narrative, the documentaries that they helped put out are extremely persuasive.

01:12:46.000 And so they do work hard to get both Republicans and Democrats on their side.

01:12:51.000 And it's understandable because Republicans obviously are skeptical of the government.

01:12:56.000 we can understand a situation in which maybe someone was wrongly convicted.

01:13:01.000 And because we're anti-big government and an organization says, you know, we're just trying to hold the government accountable, that might sound terrible.

01:13:10.000 And so you get a lot of people who I think are well-intentioned but support the pursuits of the Innocence Project without maybe fully looking into the case that they are now getting involved in.

01:13:22.000 And then, of course, support for the death penalty has decreased drastically since the early 90s when the Innocence Project was founded.

01:13:30.000 We don't know for sure that the Innocence Project has driven that exclusively, but it certainly has worked in their favor. 1.00

01:13:38.000 Well, that is Ellie Beth Stuck.

01:13:40.000 You should check out all of her work available on her podcast.

01:13:43.000 Go check it out.

01:13:44.000 Right now, her podcast, of course, is relatable.

01:13:46.000 Ellie, thanks so much for your work.

01:13:48.000 Thank you, Ben.

01:13:49.000 Meanwhile, the fallout from the Elon Musk, Donald Trump fight continues.

01:13:54.000 Speaker Mike Johnson, I think, speaks for a lot of people, and he says, I hope they can reconcile.

01:13:57.000 Listen, the reality is, in the end, the fallout from this is going to be relatively minimal, at least in the short term.

01:14:03.000 In the short term, SpaceX is going to continue to get government contracts because the United States government has no other choice and no other option.

01:14:09.000 And meanwhile, the big, beautiful bill is very likely to pass because Elon Musk does not have the capacity to move Republican senators and Congress people away from President Trump.

01:14:18.000 So the end basically ends up the same.

01:14:20.000 Here is Speaker Johnson.

01:14:21.000 I'm not going to get into the strategy of what happens with all of that.

01:14:25.000 I mean, what I'm trying to do is make sure that all of this gets resolved quickly, that we get the one big, beautiful bill done.

01:14:31.000 and that hopefully these two titans can then Trump will take action against him.

01:15:01.000 Again, I don't think that that is a particularly rarity.

01:15:04.000 I do not think that government contracts, which, again, should be handed out to the most meritorious company, should be based on the politics of the person who runs the company, per se.

01:15:14.000 If Elon is making DragonX, but also supporting Democratic candidates, and we need DragonX, we should use DragonX.

01:15:20.000 With that said, you know, politics is a brutal game.

01:15:24.000 And here is President Trump via Kristen Welker responding to Elon Musk.

01:15:27.000 Musk spent more than a quarter billion dollars helping Trump return to the White House.

01:15:33.000 Musk posting this week, without me, Trump would have lost the election.

01:15:37.000 As for concerns that Musk might fund Democrats in the future, President Trump told me if he does, he'll have to pay the consequences.

01:15:45.000 Thank you.

01:15:46.000 Thank you.

01:15:47.000 Now, meanwhile, again, Elon is trying, I think, to back out of this conflict.

01:15:54.000 Elon has deleted a bunch of tweets.

01:15:56.000 Mentioning the Jeffrey Epstein files, for example.

01:15:59.000 He has scrubbed a bunch of tweets.

01:16:02.000 And, you know, I think that that's appropriate.

01:16:05.000 His Epstein attacks are the ones that are least likely to be true.

01:16:08.000 It was kind of just conflagration for the sake of conflagration.

01:16:12.000 Caroline Leavitt over at the White House was asked about the fight between Musk and Trump, and she essentially deflected it.

01:16:18.000 Now, we know that there was real disrespect in a lot of those ex-posts from Elon Musk, for sure.

01:16:23.000 But did he actually get physical?

01:16:26.000 Was there a fistfight that he body-checked the Treasury Secretary?

01:16:32.000 I certainly wouldn't describe it as a fistfight, Maria.

01:16:35.000 It was definitely a disagreement.

01:16:37.000 Although I was not there, I didn't witness it with my own eyes.

01:16:40.000 I heard about it through secondhand reporting.

01:16:42.000 But again, we've moved on from that.

01:16:44.000 The president has moved on from it.

01:16:45.000 And the entire administration is focusing on passing this bill.

01:16:49.000 And so, again, I think that when when Caroline Levitt says that, that's probably the right tack.

01:16:56.000 It seems as though this thing is going to cool down rather than heating up at this point in time now.

01:17:01.000 Does this have ramifications for the future?

01:17:03.000 Sure.

01:17:04.000 Because the reality is that the Trump coalition was always an anti-left coalition.

01:17:07.000 It was never a particularly conservative coalition.

01:17:09.000 By this I mean there is open debate inside the right under the sort of mantle of the Trump movement on pretty much every topic, ranging from immigration.

01:17:18.000 We've seen hard-fought battles over, for example, H-1B visas.

01:17:22.000 And there are still people in the Trump kind of camp who, for example, think that the prioritization of the deportation of criminally legal immigrants should take Sort of top slot.

01:17:32.000 There are people who say, we need to work on deporting literally everyone who is here illegally.

01:17:36.000 When it comes to abortion, you have pro-choicers, you have pro-lifers. 0.80

01:17:39.000 When it comes to same-sex marriage, you have pro and anti.

01:17:41.000 When it comes to foreign policy, you have isolationists, and you have people who are more hawkish.

01:17:45.000 You have a wide variety of views that all fall under the rubric of anti-the-left, anti-the-democratic party, specifically because the Democratic Party is insane and radical.

01:17:53.000 However, there are indeed fractures inside that party, and the Musk-Trump breakup could highlight some of those fractures.

01:17:59.000 Because a lot of the tech guys, Are on board with President Trump so long as he stays pro-business.

01:18:04.000 If he moves into the sort of populist Steve Bannon camp, economically speaking, you're going to see a lot of those people abandon ship.

01:18:11.000 They're going to move off.

01:18:13.000 Now, for the moment, they may not go to the Democratic Party because the Democratic Party is so wildly anti-business, but it does put them back up for grabs.

01:18:20.000 And that does mean something to the coalition of the sort of Trump base.

01:18:24.000 What does that look like for 2028 when you don't have a larger-than-life figure like President Trump heading things up?

01:18:31.000 And when you talk about sort of the winners and losers from this entire conflict, obviously, no one is a big winner.

01:18:36.000 But the people who are set to sort of lose the most, I'd say the Vice President of the United States is in an awkward position.

01:18:43.000 J.D. Vance obviously has one foot in Silicon Valley and he has one foot in blue-collar populism.

01:18:48.000 Politically speaking, he has to stay with the blue-collar populists.

01:18:50.000 That's President Trump's real base.

01:18:52.000 Those are the people that President Trump thinks he represents.

01:18:54.000 But J.D. also has obviously deep ties to people like David Sachs and Peter Thiel and a bunch of folks over in Silicon Valley.

01:19:01.000 And that is definitely an awkward position for him to be in.

01:19:04.000 Now, JD's really good at this.

01:19:05.000 I'm assuming that he can provide the glue to hold these parts of the coalition together, specifically in his own person, for something like a 2028.

01:19:12.000 However, does this make things more awkward?

01:19:14.000 Absolutely.

01:19:14.000 And it gets even more awkward if, for example, Elon continues to lean on JD or if, for example, JD Vance has to face down a more tech friendly opposition than even Elon Musk.

01:19:30.000 So it gets awkward for the vice president.

01:19:32.000 It gets awkward for the tech bros who are currently in the administration who are very much allied with Musk.

01:19:36.000 If Donald Trump should swivel again toward that populist economic position in direct opposition to an Elon Musk, that could create fractures all over the place.

01:19:46.000 So is this the beginning of a larger fracturing?

01:19:48.000 Or is this just Elon going off on Trump, Trump going off on Elon, everything kind of gets spackled over, and we move on with our lives.

01:19:55.000 A little bit too early to say at this point in time.

01:19:58.000 Alrighty, as the show continues, the latest on the big, beautiful bill, is it actually going to get passed?

01:20:05.000 We'll get to that in a moment.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - June 09, 2025

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT RIOTS! TRUMP SENDS IN THE TROOPS!

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