The Ben Shapiro Show - September 09, 2026


Lindsay Clancy's Jurors SPEAK... And It's Terrifying


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00:00:00.000 So, the Lindsey Clancy jurors are now speaking out, and it's not great.
00:00:05.000 They are demonstrating why our jury system kind of sucks.
00:00:08.000 Think Lindsey Clancy's prosecutors weren't nice enough to her?
00:00:11.000 Some of the jurors did.
00:00:12.000 Think you're mean if you focus too much on her viciously murdering her three children?
00:00:16.000 Some of the jurors did.
00:00:17.000 We'll get into the details, and we'll get into why Patrick Clancy should sue his detractors into the ground.
00:00:23.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:31.000 So, our jury system, not great.
00:00:34.000 Many of us assume that inside that jury room, a bunch of Harridans were chanting Free Lindsay while celebrating her feminist go girl attitude while she killed her children.
00:00:42.000 Or maybe we assume there was one dude just shouting Friar, even though he totally thought that she might be mentally ill.
00:00:48.000 Well, all of that might have happened.
00:00:50.000 Now the jurors are speaking out.
00:00:52.000 I've made my thoughts on the Lindsay Clancy case absolutely clear.
00:00:55.000 And I think that the prosecution had a very, very difficult burden of proof to meet.
00:00:59.000 I am not sure they met that burden of proof.
00:01:01.000 I'm not sure that a hung jury is the wrong outcome in this particular case, given the complicated fact pattern and all the rest.
00:01:08.000 Here's what I will say.
00:01:10.000 Her attorney, Kevin Reddington, is a piece of work.
00:01:13.000 I mean, truly a piece of work.
00:01:15.000 So here he was on Good Morning America trying to draw a narrative with George Stephanopoulos.
00:01:21.000 Oh boy.
00:01:24.000 And what do you say to those critics who say this is a rationalization?
00:01:27.000 What we're talking about here is just plain evil.
00:01:30.000 Oh, please.
00:01:30.000 It's not evil.
00:01:32.000 These people don't understand.
00:01:34.000 They don't know what she went through.
00:01:36.000 They didn't see her text messages.
00:01:37.000 They didn't see her journal.
00:01:38.000 They didn't see the notes that she wrote.
00:01:40.000 They didn't see the text she sent her mother in October.
00:01:43.000 Saying, Mommy, can you please come to here?
00:01:45.000 I am sick.
00:01:46.000 Something's wrong.
00:01:47.000 And it was a result of the medications.
00:01:49.000 They don't know about the number of times that she reached out.
00:01:51.000 She went to the woman and infants.
00:01:52.000 She went to the suicide hotlines.
00:01:54.000 She reached out to everybody and anybody that would listen to her and kept saying, I am not good.
00:01:59.000 I am not well.
00:02:00.000 And it was ignored.
00:02:01.000 Okay, so fine.
00:02:04.000 But then he feels the necessity to talk about her as he hasn't had as a sort of feminist hero standing up for women everywhere.
00:02:11.000 No.
00:02:12.000 No.
00:02:13.000 She's a mentally ill woman who murdered her own children.
00:02:16.000 And then he says that he is asking President Trump for a pardon.
00:02:19.000 She's not even being tried for a federal crime.
00:02:22.000 What the hell are you talking about?
00:02:23.000 This is just grandstanding nonsense.
00:02:26.000 Please, can we stop at the grandstanding nonsense?
00:02:27.000 It is bad for America.
00:02:30.000 I'd like to say that perhaps Donald Trump, who felt compelled to speak out about this case, may very well, Mr. President, I would hope that you would consider this young lady, the type of person she is, what she's been through, and consider a pardon.
00:02:48.000 There are no federal charges against her.
00:02:51.000 These defense attorneys, like the Ben Crump of feminism over here, truly bad stuff.
00:02:55.000 Well, the big news yesterday from the Clancy post trial is all of the jurors were now speaking out publicly.
00:03:02.000 And I got to say, they're not making an amazing case for themselves.
00:03:06.000 They're not doing great.
00:03:08.000 So, for example, one of the female jurors said that the prosecution did more harm than good.
00:03:15.000 They were just too mean to Lindsey Clancy.
00:03:19.000 Literally, their job was to prosecute her for the triple homicide of her own small children.
00:03:24.000 Here's one of the female jurors.
00:03:28.000 Did the prosecution make any points at all?
00:03:30.000 Was there anything that you were like you considered?
00:03:35.000 No.
00:03:36.000 I don't think so.
00:03:37.000 I mean, I've thought about that a lot.
00:03:40.000 I honestly feel like the prosecution did themselves more damage than good by just not thinking about Lindsay.
00:03:49.000 I mean, the whole picture, not just postpartum depression, not just delusional, not just the voice, but the meds, the whole cocktail of her mental health and these doctors that are prescribing this and prescribing that and they're taking her off this and they're taking, and none of them communicated with each other, Sue.
00:04:09.000 Not one of them.
00:04:12.000 Okay.
00:04:13.000 The prosecution did more harm than good by not speaking nicely about Lindsey Clancy.
00:04:18.000 It's literally their job to prosecute her for the vicious murder.
00:04:21.000 Of her three young children.
00:04:23.000 And this is the problem I'm having.
00:04:24.000 Okay.
00:04:25.000 The descriptions of the jury, it sounds like, frankly, a bunch of female jurors who walked in there thinking that she was not only reasonable doubt mentally ill, but innocent in pretty much every way and were militant about it.
00:04:40.000 And apparently, one guy who walked in thinking that there was reasonable doubt and that she should be fried anyway.
00:04:45.000 So it seems like jury nullification for everybody.
00:04:47.000 Great.
00:04:48.000 So, honestly, some of the jurors, some of the female jurors, one of them said, She actually did not have reasonable doubt that Lindsey Clancy killed her kids.
00:04:54.000 She didn't even have reasonable doubt as to whether she was mentally ill.
00:04:59.000 She says, Well, I don't know if it was like the hallucinations or whatever, but I just didn't want her punished.
00:05:04.000 Like, what are we doing here?
00:05:06.000 What are we doing?
00:05:07.000 And the jury system, a system in which the only people who are on the jury are the 12 people too dumb to escape jury duty, as Dennis Miller once suggested.
00:05:14.000 Here's one of the jurors saying, They just didn't get compassion in the prosecution.
00:05:20.000 What are you even jabbering about?
00:05:21.000 What are you talking about right now?
00:05:25.000 You know, obviously, something happened to this woman that shouldn't have not happened for many reasons.
00:05:32.000 And we appreciated the fact that Kevin was just, you know, cut through the bull, if you don't mind me saying, and just moved it along with just so much compassion for her.
00:05:43.000 And we didn't find any compassion in the prosecution.
00:05:47.000 I mean, I know it's their job, but in a case like this, you expect a little bit.
00:05:54.000 Um, what?
00:05:56.000 But what?
00:05:57.000 What?
00:05:58.000 I mean, the entire case that they are making is that she, with malice, murdered her three kids.
00:06:04.000 What do you expect them to do?
00:06:05.000 What are you talking about?
00:06:06.000 Now, meanwhile, these three female Clancy jurors describe the male holdout juror.
00:06:10.000 So, obviously, there's a big controversy over the fact that the defense attorney asked the judge to basically bar the male holdout juror.
00:06:17.000 Now, again, not everybody on the jury was a female.
00:06:20.000 There were nine women and three men.
00:06:21.000 So, there were two other males who voted presumably for acquittal.
00:06:24.000 But the reason apparently they went to the judge is they say the male holdout juror. Was refusing to acknowledge that even though he had reasonable doubt, he was not going to acquit because he was just so taken aback by the viciousness of the killings.
00:06:36.000 So, a form of jury nullification.
00:06:38.000 Again, you want to change the law about the insanity defense?
00:06:40.000 Go for it.
00:06:41.000 You want to make the case there shouldn't be an insanity defense?
00:06:43.000 All right.
00:06:44.000 But the jury description of rational doubt, like the judge's instructions, are in fact instructions, they're not recommendations.
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00:09:01.000 And here's what the female jurors, who again, I don't think are reliable narrators had to say about the male holdout juror, who many are now saying is a hero for holding out and avoiding the complete acquittal.
00:09:11.000 Now, again, as I said before, acquittal would not have resulted in her walking free.
00:09:15.000 Acquittal would have resulted in her being involuntarily committed for an unspecified period of time, presumably forever.
00:09:20.000 Honestly, because which psychiatrist is going to sign off on the lady who could spontaneously combust at any moment and take children with her?
00:09:28.000 There's a reason that Andrea Yates, who murdered multiple of her children in a bathtub in 2001, is still involuntarily committed in 2026.
00:09:35.000 Anyway, here are some of the clancy jurors describing the male holdout juror.
00:09:40.000 And he just completely disregarded the information that they gave.
00:09:45.000 I mean, he had reasonable doubt.
00:09:46.000 He admitted he had reasonable doubt after we watched that video of the interview.
00:09:51.000 I think that's what it was.
00:09:53.000 He admitted he had reasonable doubt.
00:09:55.000 And I started filling out the forms.
00:09:58.000 I was so excited.
00:09:59.000 I actually, there were three forms I had to fill out.
00:10:03.000 And I started filling them out.
00:10:04.000 I wrote my signature on each one.
00:10:07.000 And then he said, but I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity.
00:10:13.000 And we would highlight it.
00:10:15.000 And, you know, so and so, this is the definition of reason of doubt.
00:10:21.000 But he had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.
00:10:27.000 You know, I will say there are some people who are taking this lady's words and making it seem as though she is fine with Lindsay viciously killing her kids.
00:10:34.000 I'm not sure that's to be fair to her, again, just to try to be accurate to what people are saying.
00:10:39.000 I think that that comment, which is not a good comment, can be read in two ways.
00:10:42.000 One is, yeah, we're not bothered by her viciously killing her kids.
00:10:44.000 The other is that, yes, she viciously killed her kids.
00:10:47.000 And he used that as the dispositive fact as opposed to, you know, what the actual argument was over mental illness.
00:10:53.000 Bottom line here is what it appears like, and unfortunately, this happens very often on juries.
00:10:58.000 It appears as though there's kind of jury nullification on all sides.
00:11:00.000 That some of the female jurors thought that she did it, but they wanted to let her off.
00:11:04.000 Some of the male jurors, or at least one male juror, thought that there was reasonable doubt, but wanted to convict her.
00:11:08.000 And so you end up with the hung jury, which, again, by the way, I thought was always likely.
00:11:12.000 And in some cases, in some ways, a not only expected outcome, but the right outcome.
00:11:19.000 And meanwhile, I'll tell you what is totally insane.
00:11:21.000 I mean, we are a country where we have incentivized people to be crazy and horrible to one another.
00:11:28.000 Tomorrow marks the anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and we'll get into that, I'm sure, at length tomorrow, the insanity that has followed thereupon.
00:11:36.000 But we have an entire social media infrastructure that has been created for the nuts, for the crazies.
00:11:42.000 Former real housewife of Beverly Hills, a person named Lisa Rena, she's been pushing the idea that Patrick actually murdered the kids.
00:11:49.000 Again, it is unchallenged.
00:11:51.000 It is unchallenged that Lindsey Clancy murdered her children.
00:11:55.000 Her defense didn't even make this argument.
00:11:57.000 Lisa Rena, for some reason, has the opinion that Patrick did it.
00:12:03.000 All right, he did it.
00:12:04.000 Patrick did it.
00:12:05.000 Patrick's the one who did it.
00:12:07.000 Not Lindsey.
00:12:09.000 Patrick did it because, you know.
00:12:14.000 I also heard that women typically don't strangle.
00:12:22.000 So awful to even say.
00:12:25.000 But that isn't what a woman would do.
00:12:30.000 They don't strangle.
00:12:32.000 I was actually in therapy today, and my therapist and I were talking about it, and she said, I said, Well, what do they do?
00:12:36.000 She said, Well, they poison, or I said, Oh, or drown them.
00:12:43.000 Like we literally had that conversation today.
00:12:48.000 And she looks at me and she goes, he did it.
00:12:50.000 I was like, wow, yeah.
00:12:53.000 And now, yeah, yeah.
00:12:58.000 So, Patrick Clancy, quite rightly, by the way, is apparently going to sue all these people, and he should.
00:13:02.000 I hope he sues them into the ground, into the ground.
00:13:05.000 According to the New York Post, Patrick Clancy's attorney hit out at the escalating campaign of misinformation being waged by unhinged influencers and minor celebrities seeking attention following his wife's mistrial for the murder of the couple's three children.
00:13:17.000 His lawyer, Howard Cooper, told Boston 25 News, quote, Over the past months, Patrick Clancy and his family have been subjected to a relentless, escalating, and destructive defamation campaign.
00:13:25.000 This campaign of misinformation has been launched and promoted by minor celebrities, so called influencers, and outright conspiracy theorists who appear intent on boosting their own social media profiles and potentially profit by publishing what they know to be outright falsehoods that Patrick was somehow involved in the death of his young children and other vile claims.
00:13:43.000 This, of course, is right.
00:13:45.000 The lawyer says this campaign, now fueled by insatiable media coverage, remains at a fever pitch and has resulted In real life threats to his reputation, livelihood, and life.
00:13:52.000 I hope he sues these people into the ground.
00:13:54.000 I hope he never stops suing them.
00:13:55.000 I hope he takes them for every single thing they are worth.
00:13:59.000 Honestly, you cannot read the transcript of Patrick Clancy's 911 call and just not have your stomach turn.
00:14:08.000 There's no way.
00:14:09.000 I mean, the relevant portion of the transcript is he goes looking through the head, he discovers her on the lawn, bleeding from the neck.
00:14:20.000 And he's paralyzed on the lawn.
00:14:24.000 And he says, Her neck, she's breathing.
00:14:26.000 Lindsay, look at me, look at me.
00:14:27.000 And the dispatcher says, Are there weapons?
00:14:28.000 And he says, I don't see any.
00:14:30.000 Where are the kids?
00:14:31.000 He says, Open your eyes, Lindsay, look at me, open your eyes, say my name.
00:14:35.000 And the dispatcher says, I'm going to tell you how to stop the bleeding.
00:14:37.000 And he says, It's not really bleeding, open wounds.
00:14:39.000 She's in the backyard.
00:14:40.000 He says, Lindsay, wake up.
00:14:41.000 They're coming, look at me.
00:14:42.000 The first responders arrive.
00:14:43.000 And he says, I need you to stay with her.
00:14:45.000 I have to go check on my kids.
00:14:46.000 And this is the part that just turns your stomach.
00:14:48.000 And this is why, again.
00:14:50.000 My emotional sympathies are with the juror who says, okay, she may have been mentally ill, Fryer, anyway, because again, this is just on an emotional level.
00:14:57.000 This is why you shouldn't let emotions dictate policy.
00:14:59.000 But on an emotional level, he says, guys, guys, Cora, Cora, Dawson, oh no, oh no, wake up.
00:15:05.000 And then he's screaming and gasping for an extended stretch.
00:15:07.000 And the dispatcher says, what's going on?
00:15:09.000 Hello.
00:15:09.000 And he says, basement, basement.
00:15:10.000 Oh my God, I need help in the basement right now.
00:15:12.000 And then the dispatcher says, hello, hello.
00:15:13.000 And he says, Dawson, my buddy, my little boy, my buddy.
00:15:16.000 Ah, she killed the kids.
00:15:17.000 Oh my God.
00:15:18.000 I mean, like, I hope he sues these people into the ground.
00:15:21.000 I hope he sues them and never stops suing them.
00:15:23.000 And for all the horrible people out there who are ripping on Patrick Clancy because he's remarried now, again, he remarried three years after this happened and now has a kid.
00:15:32.000 I hope he lives whatever is left of his life that can be put back together in the best possible fashion because you would never want to trade places with a person like this ever.
00:15:43.000 And people, it's disgusting.
00:15:45.000 I mean, the fact that we have an entire social media ecosystem that praises people who go after the actual victims of cases like this like you're going after Patrick Clancy, or as we'll discuss tomorrow, you're going after Erica Kirk after her husband gets shot in the neck and dies on camera.
00:16:04.000 There is no level of hell lower than the place where these people will burn.
00:16:08.000 Seriously.
00:16:09.000 These are the worst people on earth, truly horrible human beings.
00:16:13.000 And I hope he sues them into the ground.
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