The Ben Shapiro Show - Lockdown Infinity! | Ep. 1010

00:00:00.000 Dr. Anthony Fauci makes waves before the Senate.

00:00:02.000 Los Angeles makes moves to lockdown until, well, forever.

00:00:06.000 And Democrats push a $3 trillion wish list.

00:00:08.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:24.000 Alrighty, so, Dr. Anthony Fauci went before the Senate yesterday, and this caused all sorts of controversy.

00:00:30.000 Now, frankly, I'm sort of perturbed at the controversy.

00:00:33.000 The reason being, I don't think that Fauci is a bad guy.

00:00:35.000 I don't think that Fauci is out to ruin the American economy.

00:00:38.000 I don't think that he is a malign influence on President Trump.

00:00:41.000 I think that Dr. Fauci is an epidemiologist, and his job is to be an epidemiologist.

00:00:45.000 His job is to be a doctor of public health when it comes to pandemics.

00:00:49.000 His job is not to balance all of the risks and rewards.

00:00:52.000 When you go to a doctor, and you look for a diagnosis.

00:00:54.000 Usually the doctor puts before you a fair number of choices.

00:00:57.000 And it is now your determination as to which choice you seek, right?

00:01:01.000 The doctor puts before you have cancer, God forbid.

00:01:02.000 And the doctor says to you, okay, so here are the choices.

00:01:05.000 You could have a surgery.

00:01:06.000 Here are the risks and the possibilities.

00:01:08.000 You can have chemotherapy.

00:01:09.000 Here are the risks and the possibilities.

00:01:10.000 Or, depending on your age, maybe the best thing is to sort of let it take its course.

00:01:13.000 If you're 85 years old and you have prostate cancer, maybe the treatment is actually worse than the disease.

00:01:18.000 And now you have a bunch of choices in front of you.

00:01:20.000 It is not the doctor's job to make the final determination.

00:01:22.000 When it comes to public policymaking, our elected officials are elected to make exactly these determinations.

00:01:27.000 Why?

00:01:28.000 Well, because they're answerable to we.

00:01:29.000 They are answerable to us.

00:01:30.000 They're answerable to we, the people.

00:01:32.000 The fact that we are now looking to sort of delegate all decision-making authority to the experts is the tail end of the progressive era stupidity that suggested that if we just gave all power to the quote-unquote experts in governments, then everything would magically be solved.

00:01:49.000 Now, experts are good for what experts are good for.

00:01:50.000 Experts are good for knowing a lot of things about one particular subject, but they're not famous for knowing lots of things about lots of particular subjects.

00:01:58.000 If you ask Dr. Fauci about Keynesian versus Milton Friedman-esque economics, my guess is that he wouldn't know much more than the average guy.

00:02:05.000 But if you ask him about disease vectors, then he probably knows a lot more than the average guy.

00:02:08.000 Asking him to be the sole policymaker is really foolhardy.

00:02:13.000 And even Dr. Fauci knows this.

00:02:15.000 And so the sort of move from the left to appoint Dr. Fauci the head of government when he is not the head of government, or to use him as a club to wield against elected officials, all of whom are answerable to us, The fact that people on the left want to do that, and then the fact that people on the right are responding to that by blaming Fauci, as though Fauci is to blame for lawmakers abdicating their duty and just pointing to Fauci and going, well, he's going to solve all of our problems. 0.99

00:02:38.000 It's stupidity. 1.00

00:02:39.000 I mean, frankly, I think that Dr. Fauci would be the first person to say that it's stupidity. 1.00

00:02:43.000 He is there to provide medical knowledge and guidance. 0.99

00:02:46.000 And then it is up to us to determine what risks we are willing to undertake as a society.

00:02:50.000 What this means is that when people like Dr. Fauci, when public health experts testify publicly, they're always going to testify on behalf of caution.

00:02:57.000 Because their job is to first do no harm on a public health level, not an economic level, not on a freedom level, not on a constitutional level, not on a governmental level.

00:03:06.000 Their first job is to say, how do we save the most lives?

00:03:09.000 Well, in the middle of a pandemic, the easy answer, if you're not looking at any of the other factors, is stay home until we have some sort of therapeutic or until we have some sort of vaccine.

00:03:17.000 But of course, there are other factors to take into account when it comes to public policymaking, such as the fact that we may never have a vaccine.

00:03:24.000 Or a therapeutic may not be all that effective.

00:03:25.000 And the fact that 30 million people have lost their jobs in the last six weeks.

00:03:28.000 And that there are countervailing costs to people losing their jobs, losing their livelihoods, 100,000 small businesses shutting down.

00:03:34.000 This is where it is up to our public officials, the people who we actually elect, our elected officials, to weigh the evidence that Dr. Fauci is providing and his advice, with the evidence provided by economists, with the values that we hold dear as a nation.

00:03:47.000 I mean, just take a different example for a second.

00:03:49.000 In a wartime, let's say that you were to ask a public health expert in wartime, what is the best policy?

00:03:54.000 Well, public health expert's job is to save as many lives as possible.

00:03:56.000 And so the public health expert would say, best strategy here is probably not to do the war, right?

00:04:01.000 No war is good because that means few people are going to get shot and killed.

00:04:04.000 But if you are an elected official and it's World War II, you know that there are going to be a certain number of people who are going to have to risk their lives on the beaches of Normandy.

00:04:11.000 This is not to suggest that the public health experts are wrong about everything. 0.69

00:04:14.000 This is to suggest that everybody has their own specific area of expertise, and to pretend that this means a broad area of expertise is really foolish.

00:04:21.000 And in a republic, we rely on the notion that a diffuse level of value judgment among the American population is going to be better than any one individual's values.

00:04:31.000 That the American people overall are going to be wiser about weighing all of these factors in balance when they elect people than just one guy who's part of a bureaucracy.

00:04:40.000 We'll get to what Dr. Fauci had to say yesterday, because in that light, I don't think what he had to say was all that controversial, but I think there are politicians who are completely looking to abdicate responsibility for their actual decision-making role in American politics right now, and simply shouting, data and science and public health officials, look what Fauci is saying, look what, look what Birx is saying, look what all the scientists are saying.

00:04:58.000 Okay, that's not your only job.

00:05:01.000 You're supposed to take all that into consideration, and then you are supposed to weigh all of the values that are currently under consideration.

00:05:06.000 Plus, you're supposed to determine the level of certainty that public health officials are expressing about the future generally.

00:05:15.000 Because experts may be more expert than you, but that does not mean that they have 100% certain knowledge of the future.

00:05:20.000 And we'll get to all of that in just one second.

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00:07:10.000 Okay, so Dr. Fauci before the Senate yesterday.

00:07:12.000 So he's testifying.

00:07:13.000 And again, Dr. Fauci is only going to get blamed if there are excess deaths.

00:07:17.000 This is the other thing you have to understand about job description.

00:07:19.000 If your job description is you're a doctor and somebody comes in and they're looking for a cancer screening, you're only going to get sued for malpractice if you miss the cancer.

00:07:27.000 You're not going to get sued for malpractice if you do too many tests.

00:07:31.000 If you run too many tests, you're not going to get sued for malpractice.

00:07:33.000 If you miss the cancer and the person dies, you're going to get sued for malpractice.

00:07:35.000 Okay, so now take that to epidemiology.

00:07:37.000 If you are Dr. Fauci and you recommend a full-scale lockdown forever, You're never going to get blamed for excess deaths, because first of all, that's never going to happen, and you recommend it against it.

00:07:46.000 And number two, that is the do no harm principle on a medical front.

00:07:50.000 You are going to get blamed if you're like, you know what?

00:07:51.000 Everything is basically okay.

00:07:53.000 If you're young, then first of all, everything is not basically okay.

00:07:55.000 But if you are young, then you are very unlikely to get a serious case of this disease and you are extraordinarily unlikely to die.

00:08:02.000 If you are older, then you should probably shelter in place. 0.98

00:08:04.000 If Fauci were to say something like that and be clear about the actual Chances of something terrible happening to you based on age and based on pre-existing condition?

00:08:12.000 Like, it's amazing to me that we are now how many months into this thing and we still cannot get straight answers from our public officials about what are your chances if you're 20 years old and healthy of dying of COVID-19?

00:08:21.000 I'll give you the answer.

00:08:22.000 The answer is you have about a 2 in 10,000 chance of dying of COVID-19 according to the antibody tests.

00:08:27.000 That is not a high chance.

00:08:29.000 1 in 5,000 is not a high chance.

00:08:30.000 It is a chance that you are willing to take to go back to work and enjoy your life, obviously.

00:08:34.000 But if you are an epidemiologist, you only get blamed if you say that things are, you know, basically okay for particular sectors of the population and then there's an unexpected outbreak and you get blamed for that.

00:08:45.000 You never get blamed in the field of epidemiology and prediction science for being overly pessimistic.

00:08:50.000 You only get blamed for being overly optimistic. 1.00

00:08:52.000 Every time there's a massive economic downturn, everybody who said, oh, the Dow was headed for $35,000, all those people are like, oh, you idiot. 1.00

00:08:58.000 The Dow was headed for $35,000, you moron. 1.00

00:09:02.000 And the person who's like, well, I told you there was going to be doom. 1.00

00:09:05.000 And then that one time there was doom, like, oh, I told you there was going to be doom.

00:09:08.000 All you have to do, if you are a pessimist in the field of public health or predictions or any of this sort of stuff, is to be right once.

00:09:14.000 You don't have to be right 10,000 times, you have to be right once.

00:09:16.000 If you're an optimist, you have to be right every single time, because the one time that you are wrong, everybody is going to say to you, well, if it weren't for you and your optimism, then there would be this many people alive, wouldn't there?

00:09:25.000 And it doesn't matter that the optimistic take is right 9 times out of 10.

00:09:29.000 We're only going to blame you for the downside risk.

00:09:31.000 So Fauci knows that too.

00:09:32.000 So here is Dr. Fauci yesterday before the Senate, and he says that the U.S.

00:09:34.000 death rate is unacceptable compared to other countries. 0.93

00:09:36.000 Now, again, the way that he's phrasing this is kind of silly.

00:09:40.000 The reality is that every death is quote-unquote unacceptable.

00:09:43.000 Is anybody, like, happy with the levels of death in the United States?

00:09:45.000 But compared to other industrialized countries, the United States is actually not doing particularly poorly.

00:09:49.000 We're right in the middle of the pack when it comes to Europe.

00:09:52.000 If you take New York out of the calculations, and New York was obviously the hardest hit and is sort of an outlier in terms of population density.

00:09:59.000 If you take New York out of the picture, the United States ranks kind of near Germany, like closer to Germany in terms of death per million population.

00:10:05.000 Here's Dr. Fauci, though, saying that the U.S.

00:10:06.000 death rate is unacceptable compared to other countries.

00:10:10.000 The death rate in the United States, especially when compared with other nations, is unacceptable, isn't it?

00:10:18.000 I mean, a death rate that high is something that in any manner or form, in my mind, is unacceptable.

00:10:18.000 Yes, of course.

00:10:26.000 And Dr. Fauci, the experience of other nations shows that the U.S.

00:10:30.000 death rate is not only unacceptable, but it's unnecessary.

00:10:34.000 Isn't that correct?

00:10:36.000 I don't know if we can say that, Senator.

00:10:38.000 But would you say that the U.S.

00:10:40.000 has to do better?

00:10:42.000 Of course, you always have to do better. 1.00

00:10:45.000 Okay, this is idiotic. 0.99

00:10:46.000 Remember Senator Tim Kaine, who was Hillary Clinton's vice presidential candidate? 1.00

00:10:49.000 Now he's a professional stagecoach robber.

00:10:51.000 So that's exciting stuff. 0.54

00:10:52.000 For folks who can't see, he's wearing a bandana around his neck directly from the assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford, 2007.

00:10:58.000 Good movie.

00:10:59.000 But the notion that we could do better.

00:11:02.000 We can always do better.

00:11:03.000 Sure, we can always do better.

00:11:05.000 But that's an obvious gotcha by Kaine.

00:11:06.000 And Fauci is being Fairly circumspect in the way that he's phrasing this stuff because, again, his job is to be an epidemiologist, not to be a policymaker.

00:11:14.000 So Fauci also says there could be consequences if we reopen too quickly.

00:11:18.000 Now, of course, that's true.

00:11:19.000 It is also true that he's only going to get blamed if we reopen too quickly.

00:11:23.000 Meaning, what do you think he's going to say?

00:11:24.000 Guys, go out, willy-nilly, have at it.

00:11:26.000 He's, of course, not going to say that.

00:11:28.000 If he says, you know, we set some standards for being careful, and if we hold to those standards, then I think that we will suffer less death than if we don't hold to them.

00:11:34.000 Like, what do you expect him to say?

00:11:36.000 The CDC set particular standards.

00:11:38.000 I think that those standards are probably overly restrictive.

00:11:41.000 But Fauci thinks not, and of course he's going to defend his standards.

00:11:45.000 It'd be silly of him not to.

00:11:46.000 So here's Fauci yesterday.

00:11:49.000 The consequences could be really serious, particularly, and this is something that I think we also should pay attention to, that states even if they're doing it at an appropriate pace, which many of them are and will, namely a pace that's commensurate with the dynamics of the outbreak, that they have in place already

00:12:12.000 The capability that when there will be cases, there is no doubt, even under the best of circumstances, when you pull back on mitigation, you will see some cases appear.

00:12:25.000 OK, and that's true.

00:12:26.000 OK, so he's not really giving you any information you didn't know.

00:12:28.000 In other words, the more you lock down, the fewer people are going to be infected.

00:12:31.000 Yeah, we knew that.

00:12:32.000 But he's not actually setting a standard as to what he thinks is a safe level of infection, because the truth is Fauci doesn't know the answer to that.

00:12:38.000 What Fauci knows is that if you let people out of lockdown, then more people will be infected, more people will die.

00:12:43.000 But we are going to have to let people out of lockdown.

00:12:45.000 Everyone recognizes this.

00:12:46.000 And you know who is best situated to make these decisions?

00:12:48.000 Individual governors who are answerable to people.

00:12:50.000 Because the fact is voters are going to have to decide whether they think their governors did a good job in protecting them and also protecting the economy.

00:12:56.000 By the way, worth noting, Brian Kemp, the governor of Georgia, who's been ripped up and down, the infection rates in his state are not spiking yet.

00:13:03.000 They are not.

00:13:04.000 Rhonda Sands is in Florida.

00:13:05.000 The massive, overwhelming infections that were supposed to happen, they have not been happening in Florida.

00:13:10.000 Texas.

00:13:11.000 No overwhelming infection rates in Texas.

00:13:13.000 In fact, it seems like things are kind of spiking faster in California than they are in some of these other states, and California is still in full-scale lockdown.

00:13:18.000 Okay, so Rand Paul makes this point yesterday, and he's ripped up and down by the left for making it, but Rand Paul says, I don't think that you're the be-all end-all.

00:13:24.000 Now, the only part about this that I object to seriously is I'm not sure that Fauci thinks he's the be-all end-all.

00:13:28.000 In fact, Fauci sort of admits it, right?

00:13:29.000 So Rand Paul says, listen, I don't think that you're the decision-maker.

00:13:32.000 I think we're the decision-maker, and you're here to provide information.

00:13:36.000 Rand Paul, by the way, is a medical doctor, so here's Rand Paul.

00:13:39.000 He doesn't have to wear the mask because, obviously, he's already had COVID-19, so he can walk around like he's bulletproof at this point.

00:13:44.000 Here's Senator Rand Paul growing a pandemic beard as well.

00:13:47.000 One thing that I'm enjoying about this is apparently everybody is now going to dress and grow facial hair like we are in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, which, I mean, honestly, kind of cool.

00:13:59.000 Like I could go I want to see some handlebar mustaches.

00:14:01.000 I want to see some Ambrose Burnside sideburns.

00:14:03.000 I want to see like like the like let's go full out at this point.

00:14:07.000 Bandanas, hats.

00:14:10.000 Anyway, here's Senator Paul.

00:14:10.000 I'm into it.

00:14:12.000 As much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don't think you're the end all.

00:14:15.000 I don't think you're the one person that gets to make a decision.

00:14:18.000 We can listen to your advice, but there are people on the other side saying there's not going to be a surge and that we can safely open the economy.

00:14:24.000 And the facts will bear this out.

00:14:26.000 But if we keep kids out of school for another year, what's going to happen is the poor and underprivileged kids who don't have a parent that's able to teach them at home We're not going to learn for a full year. 0.57

00:14:35.000 Senator Paul, thank you for your comments.

00:14:37.000 I have never made myself out to be the end all and only voice in this.

00:14:41.000 I'm a scientist, a physician, and a public health official.

00:14:44.000 I give advice according to the best scientific evidence.

00:14:48.000 There are a number of other people who come into that and give advice that are more related to the things that you spoke about, about the need to get the country back open again and economically.

00:14:59.000 I don't give advice about economic things.

00:15:02.000 I don't give advice about anything other than public health.

00:15:06.000 Correct.

00:15:07.000 Okay, so Fauci is acknowledging the truth here.

00:15:08.000 So everybody was taking it as though Paul and Fauci were really going out of here.

00:15:11.000 They're on the same team here.

00:15:12.000 I mean, everyone should be on the same team, which is we have to take the advice and then we have to calculate that in whatever formula we're using for when reopening is good and possible.

00:15:20.000 And as Rand Paul points out, You know, the level of certainty that experts have had in making predictions has been off pretty much every step of the way.

00:15:27.000 Sometimes too high, sometimes too low.

00:15:29.000 As more data comes in, hopefully the predictions get better.

00:15:32.000 And we also have to kind of decide which experts know best, because the experts do conflict with each other fairly widely, as I'm going to talk about in just a moment.

00:15:38.000 I mean, it turns out a lot of the models originally were quite wrong.

00:15:42.000 It also turns out a lot of the public health officials don't know crap about stuff.

00:15:45.000 I mean, like, I think Fauci actually knows some things. 0.99

00:15:47.000 Let me just tell you, the public health officials in California, they don't know a damn thing. 0.97

00:15:50.000 I mean, seriously, the policies that they are trotting out at this point are some of the dumbest policies I've ever seen, and they frankly have no qualifications to make these policies. 0.97

00:15:58.000 Like, seriously, they don't even have the qualifications of a Fauci or a Birx in terms of, you know, like an actual medical degree to make these sort of qualifications. 0.88

00:16:05.000 Here is Rand Paul. 0.64

00:16:07.000 I think the one-size-fits-all that we're going to have a national strategy and nobody's going to go to school is kind of ridiculous.

00:16:12.000 We really ought to be doing it school district by school district.

00:16:15.000 And the power needs to be dispersed because people make wrong predictions.

00:16:20.000 And really the history of this, when we look back, will be of wrong prediction after wrong prediction after wrong prediction, starting with Ferguson in England.

00:16:28.000 So I think we ought to have a little bit of humility in our belief that we know what's best for the economy.

00:16:35.000 Okay, that of course is exactly right.

00:16:37.000 It's exactly right.

00:16:38.000 In just a second, I'm going to explain to you how many of the models, pretty much all the models, got the Swedish death rates wrong.

00:16:43.000 So Sweden has been sort of the whipping post for a lot of the Democrat and left-leaning views of lockdown.

00:16:50.000 Sweden's terrible. 0.87

00:16:50.000 Sweden's horrible. 0.87

00:16:51.000 They have a higher death rate per million than we do.

00:16:53.000 If they had locked down their nursing homes, which is something they acknowledged they should have done, Sweden would be in the best shape of anybody and it would not really be close because there's not going to be a second wave in Sweden. 0.99

00:17:00.000 They're not changing their policy.

00:17:02.000 Dr. Fauci said yesterday, there will be a second wave in the United States.

00:17:04.000 Yeah, I would assume there would be.

00:17:06.000 And we'll get to that in just one second.

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00:18:18.000 Okay, so speaking of the models and the experts, when we talk about expertise, we have to determine what exactly is the level of expertise of which we are speaking.

00:18:25.000 So, there's a good piece in The Spectator, the UK Spectator, by Johan Norberg.

00:18:30.000 And he writes about the modeling with regard to Sweden.

00:18:33.000 He says Maria Gunther and Maria Westholm in Dagens Nyheter, Sweden's biggest daily, just took a look at two of the most influential models in Sweden.

00:18:39.000 Both were inspired by the Imperial College study and published on the preprint server medRxiv in April.

00:18:46.000 Both were used by critics to argue the Swedish model would quickly break our healthcare system and that we had to make a U-turn into lockdown as Britain did.

00:18:53.000 Here are what the models predicted.

00:18:54.000 There was one by a guy named Shiodan that said that the critical care demand would peak above 16,000 patients per day by early May, and pre-pandemic intensive care unit capacity would be exceeded by a factor of 30.

00:19:05.000 Then there was a second study that was even more pessimistic, showing a peak of over 20,000 patients by early May, with an ICU requirement about 40 times the actual capacity.

00:19:14.000 Sweden's public health agency rejected the models and instead planned for a worst-case scenario that was much less pessimistic, suggesting a peak around 1,700 ICU patients in the middle of May.

00:19:22.000 That was still more than three times the pre-pandemic capacity.

00:19:25.000 Sweden refused to lock down.

00:19:26.000 The results were that the number of ICU patients was about 500 to 550 since mid-April.

00:19:31.000 Capacity was never exceeded.

00:19:33.000 In fact, it wasn't exceeded by a factor of three.

00:19:36.000 At this moment, when the model suggested Sweden would have 30 to 40 patients fighting over every available ICU bed, there was spare capacity in beds, equipment and personnel of around 30%, One of those models predicted that Sweden would have 82,000 COVID-19 deaths by the 1st of July, or 1,000 deaths every day since the paper was published in mid-April.

00:19:52.000 The total number of COVID-19 deaths at the time of writing is 3,313.

00:19:57.000 One reason the models failed is that they underestimated how millions of people spontaneously adapt to new circumstances.

00:20:02.000 And this really is the key.

00:20:04.000 The fact is that Americans are adapting to this stuff.

00:20:07.000 And there's a new study out today showing that 25 million more Americans are moving around freely.

00:20:11.000 They're going around and they are driving around by data.

00:20:14.000 They're not staying at home.

00:20:15.000 But that doesn't mean they're not taking precautions.

00:20:18.000 Again, I've been out and about in Los Angeles with my kids.

00:20:20.000 We're going to parks.

00:20:21.000 We've gone to a beach.

00:20:22.000 The fact is that people are social distancing.

00:20:25.000 People are being careful in how they approach this sort of stuff. 0.90

00:20:28.000 People are not stupid. 0.71

00:20:29.000 People don't want to die. 0.99

00:20:30.000 Now there are some people who are just going to shake their fist at the moon and be like, you know, I'm going to go make out with a stranger at a restaurant.

00:20:36.000 Most people are not doing that.

00:20:37.000 The vast majority of people are not doing that.

00:20:39.000 And that means that all of the predictions about mass carnage Are probably wrong.

00:20:43.000 They're probably off fairly substantially.

00:20:45.000 It is also necessary to point out that people who are being pushed forward as experts in many cases, policy makers and quote-unquote experts, are not, in fact, experts.

00:20:53.000 Okay, so for example, in L.A., there's a woman named Dr. Barbara Ferrer.

00:20:57.000 County Department of Public Health, right?

00:20:57.000 She's the L.A.

00:20:59.000 She runs the L.A.

00:21:00.000 Department, the County Department of Public Health.

00:21:02.000 L.A.

00:21:03.000 County just announced that they were going to lock down until the beginning of August.

00:21:08.000 Okay, as in like, I know, I checked the calendar too yesterday when I found out about this.

00:21:11.000 It was May 12th yesterday for those who missed it.

00:21:13.000 Okay, so that means that they are now locking down two and a half months in advance, which, let's be real about this.

00:21:22.000 The actual intent here has nothing to do with lockdown.

00:21:25.000 Everybody understands people are going to go back to work before that.

00:21:27.000 Everyone understands that.

00:21:29.000 What's actually happening here is that the county of Los Angeles is trying to create a legal excuse for telling people they don't have to pay their rent.

00:21:35.000 That's really what's actually going on here.

00:21:37.000 What they want to say to people in LA is, sure, we're in lockdown.

00:21:40.000 And because we're in lockdown, and I'm putting lockdown in air quotes for those who can't see, we're in lockdown, which doesn't mean you can't go to work.

00:21:45.000 It just means you don't have to pay your rent.

00:21:47.000 That's what LA County is attempting to do.

00:21:48.000 We're going to jack landlords is basically the idea here.

00:21:51.000 It makes sense on a mortgage level because you can add months to the back of the mortgage, right?

00:21:55.000 What doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense is doing that with regard to rent.

00:21:57.000 Let's say you have a one-year lease.

00:21:59.000 And then the L.A.

00:22:00.000 County Board of Supervisors and the Public Health Department decide that because of lockdown, you don't have to pay your rent while we're in the middle of lockdown.

00:22:07.000 It's a one-year lease.

00:22:08.000 Let's say that that one-year lease expires at the end of lockdown.

00:22:12.000 Is the landlord going to receive back rent?

00:22:14.000 Or is the landlord just going to be out a year of rent?

00:22:16.000 I mean, it's fairly obvious what exactly is happening here.

00:22:19.000 There's a reason that landlords, I mean, I know landlords in LA, they're already saying, okay, I want to sell my building, get the hell out of here.

00:22:24.000 There's going to be such epic flight from Los Angeles after this is over.

00:22:27.000 It's going to be incredible.

00:22:28.000 People are going to move from New York.

00:22:29.000 They're going to move to other states.

00:22:29.000 People are going to move from LA.

00:22:31.000 The population movement in the aftermath of this pandemic, based on local governance, is going to be absolutely astonishing.

00:22:35.000 That is my prediction.

00:22:36.000 But speaking of Dr. Barbara Ferrer, let me talk about her qualifications for a second. 0.81

00:22:41.000 So why exactly is she the head of public health in LA County? 1.00

00:22:44.000 What are her, what are her bona fides?

00:22:45.000 Well, she was executive director of the Boston Public Health Commission, where she led a range of public health programs and built innovative partnerships to address inequities in health outcomes and support healthy communities and healthy families.

00:22:55.000 She secured federal, state, and local funding for critical public health infrastructure and community-based programs.

00:23:00.000 Okay, so what exactly is her background in science?

00:23:04.000 Well, she has a PhD in Social Welfare from Brandeis.

00:23:06.000 She has a Master of Arts in Public Health.

00:23:08.000 Master of Arts, not Master of Sciences.

00:23:10.000 Master of Arts in Public Health from Boston University.

00:23:13.000 A Master of Arts in Education from University of Massachusetts, Boston.

00:23:16.000 A Bachelor of Arts in Community Studies from UC Santa Cruz.

00:23:20.000 So in other words, what is the evidence that this person is scientifically knowledgeable in any actual way?

00:23:26.000 I do not know.

00:23:27.000 And yet, this is the person who is tasked with leading up the experts in L.A.

00:23:30.000 County.

00:23:31.000 By the way, CNN is promoting its own batch of experts.

00:23:34.000 Who are the experts that CNN is promoting?

00:23:36.000 They're having a new town hall.

00:23:37.000 One of their astonishingly great town halls.

00:23:39.000 Who are they actually hosting?

00:23:40.000 Well, they're having on former Acting CDC Director Richard Besser.

00:23:43.000 Fine.

00:23:44.000 The former HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

00:23:46.000 Fine.

00:23:47.000 Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

00:23:49.000 And Greta Thunberg.

00:23:51.000 Greta Thunberg.

00:23:53.000 Like the 17-year-old whose main accomplishment in life is going around and screaming at adults about how angry she is.

00:23:59.000 That's literally, like, she's an expert on yelling at adults. 1.00

00:24:03.000 Listen to the experts, guys, especially small children who are screaming at you about how we need to destroy the... First of all, I think in terms of the economic impact of all of this, let's be real, the Green New Deal that she has proposed is exactly what is happening right now.

00:24:16.000 So if you're enjoying what's going on right now, then if you want more of that, talk to Greta Thunberg, because that's what you'd like to see in perpetuity in terms of economic activity.

00:24:25.000 But how?

00:24:25.000 Like she's being trotted forth as an expert?

00:24:27.000 CNN, the most trusted name in news.

00:24:29.000 Trust the experts, guys.

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00:25:47.000 Okay, so our health experts here in LA County, Dr. Barbara Ferrer, and I guess the CNN's appointed health expert, Greta Thunberg, who again, When I think, who would I go to in terms of handling a pandemic?

00:26:01.000 I think 17-year-old Swedish child who screams at adults to the applause of the media.

00:26:07.000 That's who I would go to.

00:26:09.000 And honestly, that's who I usually go to.

00:26:11.000 When I'm looking for good advice on serious issues, I immediately go to my own children, who are excellent at screaming at adults.

00:26:18.000 It turns out they are great at it.

00:26:19.000 I have a six-year-old daughter.

00:26:20.000 She's fantastic at screaming at me. 1.00

00:26:21.000 And so is my four-year-old son.

00:26:23.000 And when I want policy advice, I go right to them, and then I let them scream in my face for a while.

00:26:28.000 And then I'm like, oh, problem solved.

00:26:30.000 Done.

00:26:30.000 Maybe they should be on CNN as public health experts.

00:26:32.000 They know as much about pandemics as Greta Thunberg. 0.94

00:26:35.000 Come the hell on, CNN!

00:26:38.000 And then you expect me to take seriously? 0.76

00:26:39.000 Ah, listen to the experts.

00:26:41.000 We here at CNN, we listen to the experts.

00:26:43.000 Chris Cuomo yesterday was doing this routine, right?

00:26:45.000 Chris Cuomo, who listens to the experts so much that he was violating his own quarantine while he had COVID-19, and was meanwhile asking sycophantic questions to his big brother Andrew, who is the worst governor in America, by numbers, on COVID-19.

00:26:59.000 Here is CNN's Chris Cuomo yesterday being like, you know what?

00:27:01.000 We have to listen to the experts, guys.

00:27:03.000 Listen to the experts.

00:27:05.000 Here he was demagoguing yesterday.

00:27:08.000 How can we beat the virus if we can't even get on the same page about how important the fight is?

00:27:14.000 If we can't even agree on what it takes to win?

00:27:17.000 Let's bring in Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Andy Slavitt.

00:27:21.000 First, just a slap in the face of reality for us, fellas.

00:27:25.000 Sanjay, 10,000 deaths is the approximated cost of reopening as of now.

00:27:33.000 Have you ever seen America make a choice like this before?

00:27:39.000 What the hell is he talking about?

00:27:42.000 America makes choices every day that increase risk to its citizens because that's called freedom.

00:27:47.000 Seriously, no one's talking about going to nursing homes and snuffing out grandma.

00:27:50.000 Everybody here is talking about how you mitigate risk while also allowing tens of millions of people to go back to work and get jobs again and function in an economy.

00:27:59.000 This is the sort of disgusting, it really is disgusting, the sort of disgusting demagoguery from, have you ever seen Americans willing to sacrifice 10,000 lives for what?

00:28:08.000 Something like freedom? 0.65

00:28:09.000 Something like being able to work or a functioning economy?

00:28:12.000 I mean, actually, fairly regularly, that's called public policy.

00:28:15.000 That's called public policy.

00:28:16.000 It's not about sacrificing lives, right?

00:28:18.000 That is a framing of the question that is so deeply dishonest, but I'm sure he can get buy-in from Greta Thunberg over at CNN. 0.97

00:28:23.000 Okay, so this sort of idiocy leads to the kind of policies that we have seen in the state of California, my home state. 0.95

00:28:28.000 So the state of California has not suffered from a massive outbreak. 0.99

00:28:31.000 The state of California has, last I checked, something like 7 deaths per 100,000 citizens in the state of California.

00:28:38.000 Grand total in the state of California, California COVID-19 deaths, last I checked, were under 3,000 deaths statewide.

00:28:44.000 We have 40 million citizens in the state of California.

00:28:48.000 We have 2,770 confirmed deaths from COVID-19 in the state of California, according to sort of the numbers that Google is popping up for me here right now.

00:28:57.000 Okay, so those are not massive, incredibly large numbers.

00:29:03.000 Every death is a tragedy.

00:29:04.000 Every death is bad.

00:29:05.000 But California is not the center of this outbreak.

00:29:07.000 I guess it's up to 2,882, according to the LA Times.

00:29:11.000 Okay, that's terrible.

00:29:12.000 It's bad.

00:29:13.000 And we should be careful when we reopen.

00:29:15.000 But the state of California has basically decided that we are now engaged in a kindergarten game of one-upsmanship.

00:29:23.000 And it was pretty obvious that this is how things were going to go when the lockdowns originally occurred, right?

00:29:26.000 San Francisco lockdown, and then immediately thereafter, LA lockdown, and then immediately thereafter, New York lockdown.

00:29:31.000 And so it's going to be the other way around, right?

00:29:33.000 You're seeing one game of follow the leader when it comes to reopening, with some states saying, listen, we got to reopen or our economy is going to die.

00:29:39.000 Other states are saying, listen, we're not going to be blamed, right?

00:29:42.000 If you're Gavin Newsom, If you want to avoid scrutiny, what you say at this point is, we're never going to reopen.

00:29:49.000 Ever.

00:29:49.000 We're not reopening until there's a vaccine.

00:29:50.000 If you're JB Pritzker in Illinois, we're not reopening until there's a vaccine because I'm not going to be blamed for one excess death.

00:29:55.000 I'm not going to be blamed for any sort of excess death.

00:29:58.000 Here's the reality.

00:29:59.000 Politicians cannot lock down this way.

00:30:02.000 Americans are just not going to stand for it. 1.00

00:30:04.000 And they're particularly not going to lock down in the idiotic fashion that is now being promoted by the Los Angeles state government. 0.99

00:30:09.000 So California is saying, well, why don't we let people decide on a county-by-county basis? 0.98

00:30:13.000 Just going to point out, when Donald Trump says that, according to the states, when he says states should decide, localism should rule, he's very bad.

00:30:21.000 When Gavin Newsom says counties should decide on a county-by-county basis, then Gavin Newsom apparently, according to the media, is very, very good.

00:30:27.000 But according to County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer, she said at Tuesday's Board of Supervisors meeting, based on her Community Relations degree from UC Santa Cruz, based on all the data we're looking at, we know with certainty we'll be extending health officer orders for the next three months.

00:30:43.000 Three months.

00:30:44.000 The stay-at-home restrictions orders will be in place for three months.

00:30:47.000 How do you even know that?

00:30:48.000 How can you?

00:30:48.000 We couldn't forecast this thing two weeks out.

00:30:52.000 Ferrer said, while the safer at home orders will remain in place over the next few months, restrictions will be gradually relaxed under the county's existing roadmap to recovery.

00:30:59.000 We're counting on the public's continued compliance with the orders to enable us to relax restrictions.

00:31:04.000 They say that instead the L.A.

00:31:06.000 County Board of Supervisors is trying to claim that they were taken out of context because the original statement is that the stay-at-home orders would remain in place as is for three months.

00:31:15.000 Mayor Eric Garcetti said, I think quite simply, she's saying we're not going to fully reopen Los Angeles and probably anywhere in America without any protections or any health orders in the next three months.

00:31:22.000 I think it's going to be even longer than three months.

00:31:24.000 Okay, that's not what the original statement was.

00:31:25.000 The original statement was the stay-at-home orders are going to remain in place for three months until the end of July, which is patently insane.

00:31:32.000 It means the end of the economy of Los Angeles, as everybody well understands. 0.99

00:31:35.000 And as it turns out, the policies that are being promulgated in LA are completely idiotic. 0.98

00:31:39.000 So are the policies in California for reopening counties. 0.99

00:31:42.000 I'll explain the policies, okay?

00:31:43.000 Here are some of the policies.

00:31:45.000 The policies, according to the LA Times, At the beaches.

00:31:48.000 You ready for this?

00:31:50.000 How people can use the sand will look different.

00:31:52.000 Face coverings will be required when not in the water.

00:31:54.000 Sunbathing won't be allowed.

00:31:55.000 Only active recreation, surfing, running, walking, and swimming will be permitted.

00:31:59.000 Coolers, chairs, umbrellas, and any of the other accessories that typically dot the shoreline should be left at home.

00:32:05.000 Do people understand, like, why masks are useful?

00:32:08.000 Or why being outside is good?

00:32:09.000 Or why social distancing is useful?

00:32:11.000 So the idea is what?

00:32:12.000 I'm gonna, like, take my kids to the beach.

00:32:13.000 I'm gonna pop open that back door.

00:32:15.000 I'm gonna take my kids, I'm going to walk down with them to the water, throw them in the water, take them out of the water, walk back to the car, shove them inside.

00:32:21.000 Like, what the hell are you talking about?

00:32:22.000 This is not how beaches work. 1.00

00:32:24.000 What are you talking about?

00:32:25.000 And if I'm, if I've got a 20-foot radius around me and I'm sitting there on the sand, explain to me how that's a bad thing.

00:32:30.000 Explain.

00:32:31.000 Explain to me why I need to wear a face mask when I'm socially distancing from other people.

00:32:34.000 There's literally no reason.

00:32:35.000 I don't need to wear a face mask if I am outside in the sun.

00:32:38.000 The sun, by the way, which does kill the virus, according to best available evidence.

00:32:42.000 And I'm 10 feet away from everybody else.

00:32:44.000 Like, this is madness. 1.00

00:32:45.000 But that's not even the extent of the stupidity. 0.99

00:32:49.000 So according to Gavin Newsom's standards, there are two criteria as to which counties can move into reopening phases. 0.97

00:32:57.000 Whether deaths have stopped completely in the last 14 days from COVID-19, and whether there is no more than one case per 10,000 residents in that same time period.

00:33:06.000 Most of California failed that test.

00:33:08.000 In fact, 95% of Californians live in counties that don't meet that standard.

00:33:11.000 The Times analysis found not a single county in Southern California nor the San Francisco Bay Area met the criteria.

00:33:17.000 Deaths have stopped for 14 days.

00:33:19.000 Deaths have stopped for 14 days.

00:33:21.000 Okay, let me just ask a quick question.

00:33:24.000 Has anybody in California, has there been any place in California?

00:33:29.000 Like L.A.

00:33:29.000 County.

00:33:30.000 Let's take L.A.

00:33:30.000 County.

00:33:31.000 Would L.A.

00:33:32.000 County have to shut down for the actual flu?

00:33:34.000 This is more dangerous than the flu.

00:33:35.000 This is always my stipulation because people in the media get very uptight when you mention the flu in the same sentence as COVID.

00:33:40.000 So, let it be known.

00:33:41.000 COVID is more dangerous than the flu and more transmissible.

00:33:43.000 But, I'm pointing out that we are not shutting down for the flu in L.A.

00:33:47.000 County.

00:33:47.000 There has not been a week in California for six years where somebody did not die of the flu.

00:33:55.000 Here is a chart provided to you by LA County, which shows that, it turns out, people die of the flu every single week, every week!

00:34:05.000 From 2014 to present, right?

00:34:08.000 This is pneumonia and influenza as a percent of all deaths in L.A.

00:34:10.000 County 2013 and 2014 to 2019-2020.

00:34:12.000 So what the hell are you talking about?

00:34:15.000 There won't be a death for 14- You know how many people live in L.A. 0.69

00:34:18.000 County?

00:34:19.000 There are 10 million people in L.A.

00:34:20.000 County!

00:34:22.000 So you're telling me that until there's not one COVID-19 death in all of L.A.

00:34:25.000 County, so I guess like in a hundred years, when several generations of Los Angelinos have died, Then I guess we can reopen according to these standards.

00:34:34.000 This is just madness.

00:34:35.000 It's complete and utter insanity.

00:34:38.000 Meanwhile, California State University is going to teach remotely in the fall.

00:34:42.000 They're not going to let the students go back to school.

00:34:46.000 Why?

00:34:46.000 Well, they can't explain it, because the reality is that young people are not in particularly terrible shape.

00:34:50.000 In fact, young people are in particularly good shape.

00:34:52.000 If you're vulnerable, you should stay off campus.

00:34:54.000 And Mitch Daniels, who's the president over at Purdue, the dean over at Purdue, he said, we're gonna reopen, and we're going to take precautions for people who are vulnerable.

00:35:00.000 This would be the rational solution, but we cannot pursue rationality in any way.

00:35:04.000 It's lockdown infinity.

00:35:05.000 Lockdown, and then lockdown infinity plus one.

00:35:08.000 That's the way this is gonna work for a lot of politicians. 0.96

00:35:09.000 When the media set up a standard such that reopening is considered You green lighting death.

00:35:15.000 It is not a shock that politicians respond to that political incentive by saying, okay, let's lock down forever.

00:35:19.000 And as we'll see, that's exactly what Joe Biden is doing.

00:35:23.000 Who again is like, the man is barely alive at this point.

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00:37:45.000 All righty.

00:37:51.000 So the Democrats are naturally glomming on to the media calculus here.

00:37:57.000 The Democrats continue to push lockdowns that move beyond the possibility of any sort of real calibrated response.

00:38:06.000 It's not as though they've set a timeline that's in any way realistic.

00:38:09.000 Again, that LA County timeline is insane.

00:38:11.000 14 days with no deaths from COVID-19.

00:38:13.000 How about 14 days with no deaths from a car accident before we can get back on the roads?

00:38:17.000 That's nuts.

00:38:18.000 It's just nuts.

00:38:19.000 But you have Eric Garcetti saying, Americans want us to get it right.

00:38:21.000 Yes, we do.

00:38:22.000 You know what getting it right looks like?

00:38:25.000 There will not be a functioning economy in the city of Los Angeles.

00:38:28.000 And if you think that all you're going to do is just tax the rich people in LA, guess what rich people have the capacity to do?

00:38:32.000 Move.

00:38:33.000 To leave.

00:38:34.000 They're the only people in LA who have the capacity to leave.

00:38:36.000 Now here's Mayor Garcetti.

00:38:40.000 Most Americans want us to get it right.

00:38:42.000 You look at polls across the country, certainly here in Los Angeles, it's go slow, don't go fast, and get it right so we don't have to retreat.

00:38:50.000 So she wanted to make sure that I communicated and what she was communicating is that we still need to have a public health order because there are some populations who will need to stay at home.

00:38:59.000 People need to know whenever possible it is safer to stay at home.

00:39:02.000 So if you can telecommute, etc.

00:39:04.000 And there's no radical changes in the next week coming.

00:39:08.000 Okay, so again, when he says that people want to go slow, nobody is defining these terms.

00:39:14.000 Nobody is defining what exactly that looks like.

00:39:14.000 Go slow.

00:39:17.000 All the polls are extraordinarily vague about which exact policies people approve of.

00:39:21.000 People are basically on board with the masking.

00:39:23.000 People are basically on board with the social distancing.

00:39:25.000 But very few people are on board with the, let's just stay in lockdown until the end of time.

00:39:29.000 And yet that's exactly what you're getting from Joe Biden.

00:39:32.000 Again, it's very easy to sit outside the decision-making process like Joe Biden is in his basement.

00:39:37.000 And basically suggest, okay, we don't have to make any tough decisions here.

00:39:40.000 Just lock down forever.

00:39:40.000 It's an easy decision.

00:39:41.000 This is particularly true when your end goal for American government is the radical growth of American government, universal basic income, the government paying people to stay home, which is exactly what Democrats are proposing.

00:39:51.000 Here was Joe Biden yesterday saying he's frustrated that people are trying to open the economy.

00:39:54.000 You know what I'm frustrated at?

00:39:55.000 The fact that Joe Biden is utterly incompetent and has no actual advice to offer.

00:39:59.000 It's amazing. 0.53

00:40:00.000 He keeps writing editorials talking about how seriously he takes this, and then he offers no actual solutions.

00:40:05.000 I reject the premise that somehow this is hurting us.

00:40:08.000 There's no evidence of that.

00:40:10.000 I'm following the rules.

00:40:13.000 The president should follow the rules instead of showing up at places without masks and the whole thing.

00:40:13.000 Following the rules.

00:40:19.000 I'm getting really frustrated with not you, with this, the whole notion that somehow we can just open, we can move.

00:40:30.000 Okay, well, no one's talking about completely reopening at this point.

00:40:33.000 Literally not one state in America.

00:40:35.000 What the hell is he talking about?

00:40:36.000 By setting up this false binary, this allows Democrats to claim that what we must do is expend trillions of new dollars on things like extended unemployment benefits through January.

00:40:46.000 Which, by the way, is fairly a guarantee that people aren't actually going to be able to hire people back.

00:40:49.000 One of the major problems that's been happening right now is that businesses across America, small businesses, are saying to their own employees, guys, you know, there's going to come a point where we want you to come back.

00:40:56.000 And if you're young and healthy, you should come back.

00:40:58.000 And people are saying, why?

00:40:59.000 I can get more on unemployment.

00:41:01.000 This is a hole that was pointed out by Senators Tim Scott and Marco Rubio and Ben Sasse.

00:41:06.000 And they were saying, guys, you know, our last CARES Act package, that included payments that were greater than people would be receiving in the absence of a salary.

00:41:15.000 Meaning that if you were making $1,200 a month or $1,200, if you're making $1,200 a week, Before, now you're going to make more than that from unemployment, so why the hell would you go back to work?

00:41:24.000 Democrats would like to extend that now.

00:41:26.000 So this is what Nancy Pelosi is suggesting.

00:41:29.000 She's saying, look, we have the opportunity to save lives and our democracy.

00:41:32.000 It's the last part that matters.

00:41:34.000 We have the opportunity to save lives and our democracy means we have the opportunity to tell you that we are saving lives by keeping the economy closed and also to quote unquote save democracy by radically reshifting the balance of power between the federal government and individuals.

00:41:46.000 These numbers require action that we've never had to take before.

00:41:50.000 There are those who said, let's just pause.

00:41:53.000 But the families who are suffering know that hunger doesn't take a pause, the rent doesn't take a pause, the bills don't take a pause, the hardship of losing a job or tragically losing a loved one doesn't take a pause.

00:42:05.000 This is an historic challenge and therefore momentous opportunity for us to meet the needs of the American people to save their lives, their livelihoods, and our democracy. 0.99

00:42:16.000 What a pathetic, pathetic human being Nancy Pelosi is, truly. 0.99

00:42:19.000 This is not an opportunity to take a pause. 1.00

00:42:21.000 Twice in the last month, twice, she has quote-unquote taken a pause on major legislation designed to help out business and help out individuals.

00:42:29.000 She shut down the passage of the CARES Act for a full week, and then she shut down the passage of the Payroll Protection Act for a full week. 1.00

00:42:35.000 Like, what the hell?

00:42:36.000 But now, it's we gotta rush forward. 1.00

00:42:38.000 We gotta rush forward with our $3 trillion wish list of garbage.

00:42:41.000 Here's what is in the Democrats' $3 trillion plus virus relief bill. 0.84

00:42:45.000 And they're just gonna keep spending here.

00:42:47.000 We are going to effectively try modern monetary theory and find out how it works. 0.97

00:42:50.000 Modern monetary theory is, of course, the idiotic theory that we can continue to spend money at infinite pace without bearing any results down the road. 0.79

00:42:57.000 Either in terms of radically increased taxation or in terms of inflating the currency, which is great. 1.00

00:43:02.000 I mean, if it's true, I guess we can just magically spend government money and people will just continue taking out debt because they're idiots, apparently. 1.00

00:43:07.000 Apparently, everybody across the world is a moron. 1.00

00:43:09.000 And if we continue to take out debt, then everybody across the world, instead of investing in other opportunities, they're going to just buy the American debt. 0.99

00:43:17.000 Sure, because they feel like it's going to get paid off at some point.

00:43:20.000 So what exactly is in this new $3 trillion package?

00:43:23.000 Here's what's in it.

00:43:24.000 Fiscal aid to states and local governments.

00:43:26.000 The Democratic bill provides more than $900 billion to states Local governments, as well as Indian tribes and territorial governments, to help prevent layoffs of public workers, cuts to services, or tax hikes.

00:43:36.000 So instead of forcing states to actually tighten their belt and look at the union contracts that they have signed that are garbage, and look at all the pension plans they've signed that are garbage, instead the federal government is going to bail out all of the garbage plans, blaming it on the pandemic.

00:43:47.000 Let's be real about this. 0.92

00:43:48.000 California was basically bankrupt before any of this happened because they signed garbage pension deals.

00:43:52.000 The same thing is true in Illinois. 0.64

00:43:54.000 The same thing is true in New York.

00:43:55.000 The state debt of these states was exorbitant.

00:43:58.000 Like hundreds of billions of dollars, maybe trillions of dollars in the state of California before any of this happened.

00:44:04.000 And now the Democrats are basically using this as an excuse to say, you know what we can do?

00:44:08.000 We can have state governors who just sign these really, really rich contracts, these ridiculous contracts with unions that say things like, don't worry guys, we're going to give you like an 8% year on year increase in the pension.

00:44:19.000 And then we'll just tell you that we'll invest our pension funds properly and they will return 8%.

00:44:23.000 That's what we actually did with CalPERS in California.

00:44:27.000 The union contracts with CalPERS, it basically suggested that there was going to be a seven to eight percent rate of return year on year in the CalPERS fund, which is insane.

00:44:37.000 Warren Buffett doesn't do that.

00:44:37.000 No one does that.

00:44:39.000 Okay, so you sign all these bad contracts and then, when there's a crisis, you go, you know what? 1.00

00:44:43.000 We can't pay unemployment because we're bankrupt because, you know, we wasted all our money on stupid garbage and bad contracts. 0.99

00:44:47.000 So, well, it'd be great as if the Feds could fill us in. 0.99

00:44:50.000 So that's what's in the Democrat bill.

00:44:51.000 What else?

00:44:52.000 Well, they want a second round of direct payments to individuals, making those benefits more generous than an earlier round, which limited payments for dependent children to $500.

00:45:00.000 Instead, it provides new payments of $1,200 per family member, up to $6,000 for a household.

00:45:07.000 $6,000 for a household.

00:45:08.000 That is a crap load of money.

00:45:10.000 And so your family of four and you get a $6,000 check in the mail? 0.79

00:45:14.000 Why would anybody go back to work?

00:45:16.000 Seriously.

00:45:17.000 Like at a certain point, we would like to have a functioning economy again.

00:45:20.000 And by the way, they would like to keep the unemployment benefits extended by $600 per week federal unemployment, which supplements the state unemployment benefits.

00:45:28.000 They want that supplemented through January 2021.

00:45:32.000 Hey, I'm not cutting it off at the end of July when the pandemic is supposedly supposed to wave.

00:45:35.000 I'm not even extending it two more months.

00:45:37.000 They want to extend it to January, which is, not surprisingly, past the election.

00:45:42.000 They would like for the unemployment rates to remain high, apparently, because people won't go back to work.

00:45:47.000 And that is not just relieving people who cannot go back to work.

00:45:51.000 If you're talking about this thing, or directed toward people who showed some sort of serious illness, a pre-existing condition, you have diabetes, you don't want to be back in public because you got diabetes, and this thing is dangerous.

00:46:00.000 You're above the age of 60, and so you don't want to be back at the workplace because it's dangerous to you.

00:46:04.000 And then we want to create unemployment benefits specifically for those people.

00:46:07.000 I could get on board with that.

00:46:09.000 I could get on board with I can.

00:46:10.000 What I cannot get on board with is the idea that if you're perfectly healthy and 25 years old, you should be receiving endless government benefits because you don't really believe that you should go back to work.

00:46:18.000 And because any sort of arbitrary risk calculation by you means that I'm supposed to pay your bills and everybody else is supposed to pay your bills.

00:46:26.000 I mean, that's insanity.

00:46:28.000 Also, they want to provide $25 billion for the U.S.

00:46:31.000 Postal Service, which is expected to run out of money by the end of September without congressional aid because it's losing so much revenue.

00:46:36.000 You know the reason they're losing revenue.

00:46:37.000 It's not because people have stopped sending mail.

00:46:39.000 It's because people started sending the mail.

00:46:41.000 The dirty little secret of the post office is that they lose money when they don't ship mail, and they lose money when they do ship mail because the postage rates are too low.

00:46:49.000 That's why it's more expensive to ship via FedEx than it is to ship via the U.S.

00:46:52.000 Postal Service.

00:46:53.000 But instead of raising rates, they just want to bail out the U.S.

00:46:55.000 Postal Service again.

00:46:57.000 Also, they want to provide $175 billion to states to help renters and homeowners pay mortgages, rent, and other housing costs and avoid default, with much of the money aimed at lower-income people.

00:47:06.000 Well, again, if the states are the ones making the decisions on when to reopen, why should not the states be actually taking out the debt to do that?

00:47:12.000 Why is it that Texas, which is reopening faster, ought to pay the bills for California, which is reopening more slowly?

00:47:17.000 They also want $15 billion for state transportation departments for highway needs, $16 billion to mass transit systems hit by the massive drop off of ridership and lower income from fares.

00:47:26.000 So in other words, we are now going to pay the New York subway system for being shut down.

00:47:30.000 This is my favorite one.

00:47:31.000 They want to dedicate $100 billion to states, school districts, and universities to defray additional costs associated with the pandemic.

00:47:36.000 What additional costs?

00:47:38.000 No one's coming to school.

00:47:39.000 You are closed. 0.91

00:47:40.000 What the hell are you talking about? 0.67

00:47:43.000 The teachers are not in the classroom. 0.59

00:47:45.000 There are no- Like, what?

00:47:48.000 So, you're gonna have to explain to me.

00:47:49.000 Do we spend more money when the kids are in school or when the kids are out of school?

00:47:53.000 What- Like, what is this?

00:47:55.000 What is this? 0.68

00:47:56.000 So naturally, the Republicans are bucking at all of this nonsense. 1.00

00:48:00.000 And there are also provisions in this bill that are just obviously stupid. 0.97

00:48:03.000 They wanted to vote, the House Democrats, $1 billion for quote-unquote modernization of state and local health inequities data. 0.99

00:48:09.000 Not inequality data, inequities data.

00:48:11.000 Because every inequality is an inequity.

00:48:14.000 Inequality means that two things are not equal.

00:48:16.000 Inequity means that two things are not fair.

00:48:19.000 So any inequality is now an inequity, according to this Democratic bill.

00:48:22.000 They want to support the modernization of data collection methods and infrastructure for the purposes of increasing data related to health inequities such as racial, ethnic, socioeconomic, sex, gender, and disability disparities.

00:48:33.000 And they want to provide guidance, technical assistance, and information to grantees under this section on best practices regarding culturally competent, accurate, and increased data collection and transmission.

00:48:44.000 What the hell does that mean?

00:48:45.000 We're going to do gender studies now with a billion dollars during a pandemic? 1.00

00:48:49.000 Sounds great.

00:48:50.000 Naturally, Mitch McConnell has objected.

00:48:52.000 This means that he's a very bad man.

00:48:54.000 He says, our debt is now the size of the American economy. 0.98

00:48:56.000 And you're talking about taking out trillions of dollars to pay for random garbage. 0.91

00:48:59.000 No. 0.82

00:49:01.000 We've already spent about, or in the process of spending about $2.8 trillion.

00:49:08.000 We now have a debt the size of our economy.

00:49:13.000 So I have said, and the president has said as well, that we need to take a pause here.

00:49:19.000 And take a look at what we've done, see what's working, see what isn't, and also begin to encourage the governors around the country who have the decision-making ability to begin to open up the economy.

00:49:34.000 Nah, so what the Democrats really want is for lockdown to be the preferred policy of states and then the bailout to happen at the federal government level so they can radically reshift the nation and quote-unquote save democracy.

00:49:44.000 That's the actual plan.

00:49:45.000 This thing didn't have to become politically polarized.

00:49:47.000 It is becoming politically polarized when you just shout lockdown infinitely and then basically present zero data to actually support how you are coming to that conclusion and how you plan to reopen.

00:49:58.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:50:00.000 So I have legitimately no clue why the judge in the Michael Flynn case is slamming the brakes on the DOJ attempt to drop the case.

00:50:14.000 They are now making the case, the judge is basically delaying all of this, saying that he wants to hear amicus briefs, which is an amazing suggestion.

00:50:23.000 It's a criminal case.

00:50:24.000 How do you hear an amicus brief in a criminal case?

00:50:25.000 That's bizarre.

00:50:27.000 According to lawandcrime.com, federal judge Emmett G. Sullivan stopped, at least temporarily, the federal government's attempt to drop its case against National Security Advisor Michael Flynn.

00:50:35.000 Sullivan made the move shortly after Flynn asked the case against him be dismissed immediately.

00:50:38.000 The judge, in a minute order posted to the Flynn case's electronic docket, said he anticipated amicus briefs would be filed in the matter and wanted to give any interested parties time to participate.

00:50:47.000 These so-called friend of the court briefs allow others who are not party to the case to submit arguments only for the benefit of the court.

00:50:53.000 Sullivan said, it is solely within the court's discretion to determine the extent, fact and manner of the participation of amicus parties.

00:50:59.000 The briefs are helpful when the amicus has unique information or perspective that can help the court beyond the help that the lawyers for the parties are able to provide.

00:51:07.000 He also noted reasons why parties should not be allowed to file amicus briefs.

00:51:11.000 Flynn's lawyers have filed a motion to prevent an amicus brief from entering the record.

00:51:16.000 In issuing the order, Sullivan quoted a similar minute order from the judge who oversaw the trial of former Donald Trump confidant Roger Stone.

00:51:21.000 He said, as Judge Amy Berman Jackson has observed, while there may be individuals with an interest in this matter, a criminal proceeding is not a free-for-all.

00:51:27.000 In other words, while Sullivan is giving parties some time to have their voices heard, his patience is not unlimited.

00:51:32.000 He says the court will enter a scheduling order governing the submission of amicus curiae briefs.

00:51:35.000 This is bizarro world.

00:51:37.000 I really have not heard a lot of precedent for the idea that you're supposed to be able to submit an amicus brief in a criminal trial.

00:51:45.000 That's so weird.

00:51:46.000 Like in the O.J.

00:51:47.000 Simpson case, wouldn't it have been weird if Judge Lance Ito had been like, you know what?

00:51:51.000 Let's hear from the public now.

00:51:52.000 If you've got any sort of brief on O.J.

00:51:54.000 Simpson, would love to hear it.

00:51:55.000 Would love to hear it.

00:51:56.000 So odd.

00:51:58.000 According to Law & Crime's Aaron Keller, lawyers for Donald Trump's former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn voice strong opposition to that order.

00:52:05.000 Per Flynn's legal team, a group referring to itself as Watergate Prosecutors submitted an email stating they wish to file amicus curiae briefs.

00:52:12.000 The so-called friend of the court briefs help to assist judge in making decisions.

00:52:16.000 Flynn's attorneys say this court has consistently, on 24 previous occasions, summarily refused to permit any third party to inject themselves or their views into this case.

00:52:24.000 Sullivan's decision resulted in this particular backlash.

00:52:27.000 They said, They say it's no accident amicus briefs are excluded in criminal cases.

00:52:52.000 A criminal case is a dispute between the U.S.

00:52:54.000 and a criminal defendant.

00:52:55.000 There's no place for third parties to meddle in the dispute, certainly not to usurp the role of government's counsel.

00:53:00.000 For the court to allow another to stand in the place of the government would be a violation of the separation of powers.

00:53:06.000 They said that the Watergate prosecutors don't have a dog in this hunt any more than former Whitewater prosecutors or the Clinton impeachment prosecutors do.

00:53:12.000 They said this is a case of extraordinary national and international interest.

00:53:15.000 There are countless people, including former prosecutors on both sides of the parties, who would like to express their views.

00:53:20.000 There are many reasons there's no provision for outsiders to join a criminal case.

00:53:23.000 Of course, former prosecutors can submit opinion pieces to assorted media outlets, but this court is not a forum for their alleged special interest.

00:53:30.000 This, of course, is exactly right.

00:53:32.000 This is so bizarre.

00:53:34.000 I mean, seriously, I've never heard of anything really like this.

00:53:37.000 Maybe there's precedent for it, but I've never heard of this idea that I'm allowed to file an amicus curiae brief in the middle of a criminal trial.

00:53:44.000 Because... what?

00:53:46.000 I mean, the case at issue here is whether the prosecutors are allowed... By the way, what's amazing about this, truly amazing, is that we've had cases before, like Proposition 8 in California, where Attorney General Kamala Harris, she was then the Attorney General of the state of California, she was a god-awful AG, then she became a god-awful senator.

00:54:04.000 One of the things that she did when she was our god-awful AG is there was a provision called Proposition 8 in the California Constitution that sanctioned traditional marriage and said there will be no same-sex marriage legalized by the state or approved by the state in the state of California.

00:54:21.000 There was a lawsuit filed against it, right, and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ended up striking down Prop 8.

00:54:26.000 This thing was going to go to the Supreme Court.

00:54:28.000 The AG of the state of California, Kamala Harris, said, I'm not going to defend it in court.

00:54:32.000 I'm not going to defend this in court.

00:54:33.000 Now, that is an abdication of her duty.

00:54:34.000 She's the AG, which means she is supposed to defend the existing law. 0.99

00:54:38.000 She is not supposed to be able to say, I don't like this law, so I'm not defending it.

00:54:42.000 The Supreme Court then ruled that because the state of California was not defending the law, there was no other party to step in.

00:54:50.000 And other parties were like, well, how about this?

00:54:51.000 How about we defend the law?

00:54:52.000 And the court was like, no, only the state of California can defend the law.

00:54:55.000 So if the state of California decides not to defend its own law, we're done here.

00:54:58.000 So very weird policy apparently from the federal judiciary that if you are an AG of a state and the people of that state pass a referendum you don't like, you can moot that law by not defending it in court.

00:55:08.000 But if you are the prosecutors in a case and you decide to drop the case, now the judge will hear amicus curiae briefs to hear whether the case should remain open.

00:55:16.000 Very, very weird stuff.

00:55:18.000 The reality here is that the media coverage of this thing has been overwhelmingly ridiculous.

00:55:23.000 Michael Flynn appears to have been railroaded by a lot of the available evidence.

00:55:28.000 That does not mean that Michael Flynn should be National Security Advisor.

00:55:30.000 I objected to him as National Security Advisor when he was first named.

00:55:33.000 It also doesn't mean that he did anything that rises to the level of the criminal.

00:55:36.000 Liz Cheney, the representative from Wyoming, said it's pretty obvious that members of the Obama administration believe they were above the law.

00:55:41.000 They clearly believed they were above the law.

00:55:44.000 And when you look at what was going on in terms of unmasking the names of U.S.

00:55:48.000 officials that were in the classified documents, when you look at what they were doing after they fired General Flynn, clearly there was some sort of a vendetta underway.

00:55:57.000 When you look at Jim Comey, you know, Jim Comey on tape publicly on video saying that he knows that he basically violated the rules, violated the practice when he sent his FBI agents over to interview General Flynn.

00:56:10.000 So they clearly were trying to criminalize their political differences and they need to be investigated.

00:56:15.000 Well, that I think is exactly right.

00:56:17.000 I think you will see some investigations of people like James Comey.

00:56:21.000 Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

00:56:23.000 And there are a lot of people who tend to believe that the Trump team was in collusion with Russia because they could not deal with the fact that he won the election.

00:56:30.000 And so they were going to bend every rule in order to confirm their biased notions as to what exactly was happening here.

00:56:35.000 Alrighty.

00:56:36.000 Time for, should we do a quick thing I like?

00:56:38.000 Okay, fine.

00:56:38.000 We'll do a quick thing I like.

00:56:41.000 So, the thing that I like today is the movie Shawshank Redemption.

00:56:47.000 Okay, so I know, I know, it's a thing everybody likes.

00:56:49.000 But I've been re-watching some old classics and what I found is, you know, I've spent a long time during, you know, really I like watching new movies.

00:56:56.000 I like watching movies I've never seen.

00:56:57.000 I'm finding renewed pleasure in watching old movies and re-watching old movies.

00:57:01.000 So in the past week or so, I've been re-watching old movies.

00:57:03.000 My wife and I did a Christopher Nolan binge right before our kid was born.

00:57:05.000 Now I'm going back to some older movies.

00:57:08.000 And I will discuss one of those tomorrow, which is maybe the greatest movie ever made, or at least the greatest couple of pairs of movies ever made.

00:57:14.000 But Shawshank Redemption is, in fact, a fantastic movie.

00:57:16.000 It is a great movie.

00:57:18.000 It works on every level.

00:57:19.000 It's one of those movies where... It's one of those TNT movies, right?

00:57:23.000 There's a series of TNT movies for a while, when people used to get cable, where you'd be flipping the channel, and this would be on.

00:57:28.000 You'd be like, okay, I'm gonna watch for three minutes.

00:57:29.000 And two hours later, you were still sitting there watching it.

00:57:31.000 And you have the DVD, but you're not gonna pop in the DVD.

00:57:33.000 You're just gonna wait for the commercials to pass.

00:57:35.000 Shawshank Redemption.

00:57:36.000 Addictive movie.

00:57:37.000 Here's a little bit of the trailer.

00:57:38.000 For those who haven't seen it, it's a great movie and the good news is that by the time you finish watching it, the pandemic will be over because it's nine hours long.

00:57:43.000 I must admit, I didn't think much of Andy the first time I laid eyes on him.

00:57:49.000 He had a quiet way about him.

00:57:51.000 A walk, a talk that just wasn't normal around here.

00:57:55.000 There are places in the world that aren't made out of stone.

00:58:01.000 There's something inside that they can't touch.

00:58:07.000 Let me tell you something, my friend.

00:58:09.000 Hope is a dangerous thing.

00:58:11.000 Okay, so this movie is great, obviously.

00:58:13.000 If you haven't seen it, you're missing out.

00:58:15.000 And I'm sure everybody has seen it.

00:58:17.000 It's a pretty brutal film, but it is a great movie.

00:58:21.000 By the way, another great movie by Frank Darabont.

00:58:23.000 Very underrated.

00:58:24.000 Green Mile.

00:58:24.000 Green Mile is also an excellent movie, which is worthy of a watch.

00:58:28.000 So, what's amazing about this movie, by the way, is it was a complete failure when it first came out at the box office.

00:58:32.000 It really did not do well.

00:58:33.000 One of the reasons is because it has one of the worst names in the history of film.

00:58:36.000 Right?

00:58:37.000 Shawshank Redemption means nothing.

00:58:39.000 Like the title means nothing, but it's one of those movies where because it hit basic cable, it became a backlogged hit.

00:58:45.000 And now it's, according to IMDb, everybody's favorite movie.

00:58:47.000 So go check it out if you have not and enjoy yourself this evening.

00:58:50.000 Okay, we'll be back here later today with two additional hours of content.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - May 13, 2020

Lockdown Infinity! | Ep. 1010

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