The Ben Shapiro Show - Models Of Doom | Ep. 984

00:00:00.000 The White House releases models suggesting at least 100,000 Americans could die in the coronavirus pandemic.

00:00:05.000 The Fed continues to pump dollars into the economy, and partisanship continues to rear its ugly head.

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00:00:29.000 All right, so let's just jump right into the coronavirus updates.

00:00:33.000 So as of yesterday, this is according to Worldometers, the United States experienced nearly a thousand new deaths from coronavirus.

00:00:38.000 We are now in excess of 4,000 deaths in the United States from coronavirus.

00:00:42.000 We had the biggest single-day tally of death.

00:00:44.000 That is not unexpected.

00:00:45.000 We are expecting those numbers to rise, presumably, according to the models, every day up until April 15th, tax day.

00:00:51.000 The United States already has close to 200,000 cases that have been diagnosed in the United States, and we are starting to see all of the emergency situations in hospitals coming to fruition.

00:01:02.000 Although we have not yet been forced to ration ventilators, the situation in ERs, particularly New York is very ugly.

00:01:08.000 Seth Mandel, who is the editor over the Washington Examiner magazine, he just got a note from a doctor friend in Queens, says, I spent 24 of the last 36 hours in my ER.

00:01:17.000 It's an absolute nightmare.

00:01:18.000 I personally intubated three patients in just under an hour.

00:01:21.000 We have over 400 patients admitted with coronavirus.

00:01:24.000 82 of them are on ventilators.

00:01:25.000 To put things in perspective, my ER is built to have about 80 to 100 patients.

00:01:28.000 We had 172 people admitted.

00:01:30.000 With COVID-19 crammed into spots, corners, crevices, all of our ICU and step-down units together can usually handle 50 patients.

00:01:36.000 We are managing ventilators in hallways.

00:01:39.000 Now, again, managing ventilators in hallways is still better than no ventilators, but it is obviously Insufficient to deal with the influx of people who are being admitted to hospitals and ERs in the New York region.

00:01:50.000 In 22 years of medicine, says this doctor, I've never seen the staff look this tired physically and emotionally drained.

00:01:54.000 At least twice an hour we hear the call overhead that somebody upstairs is in cardiac arrest.

00:01:58.000 This acutely exacerbates our distress.

00:02:00.000 People we were caring for are dead 12 hours later.

00:02:02.000 30-year-olds, 50-year-olds, 70-year-olds, nobody is spared now.

00:02:05.000 At this point it is worthy of mention.

00:02:07.000 If you go into the ER, there's a good shot that, or at least a better shot, that there is something seriously wrong with you in terms of the people across the country who are getting coronavirus and then getting significant symptoms.

00:02:16.000 If you're older, if you have pre-existing conditions, that's where the real risk lies.

00:02:20.000 This doctor says we're at the breaking point.

00:02:22.000 We're out of space in our hospital.

00:02:23.000 We're out of space in the emergency room.

00:02:24.000 I was caring for a woman with an oxygen level of 64%.

00:02:27.000 I had to have her sitting in a chair for an hour until I could find a stretcher. 1.00

00:02:29.000 Multiple doctors in the hospital are out sick with the virus.

00:02:32.000 I'm caring for patients in their homes.

00:02:33.000 As long as their oxygen level is above 90%, I'm trying to keep them from going to the hospital.

00:02:38.000 So obviously, grim news out of New York.

00:02:42.000 We are seeing some trend lines from places like New Orleans that are looking fairly ugly.

00:02:45.000 We're seeing some trend lines from Florida that are looking fairly ugly.

00:02:48.000 The trend lines in places like Los Angeles are not nearly as ugly yet.

00:02:51.000 In San Francisco, the trend lines have evened out to a significant extent.

00:02:54.000 The social distancing is working.

00:02:56.000 Those measures that have been put in place, we are seeing the sort of contrasting data you would expect to see.

00:03:01.000 Highly populated areas that took a little longer to lock down are seeing trend lines that are a lot uglier than areas that are sparsely populated and or are locked down more often.

00:03:10.000 And to pretend that every single area of the United States should be treating this equivalently is foolhardy.

00:03:14.000 Obviously, if you're in a rural area where you're not seeing tons of people on a daily basis, you shouldn't be treating this exactly the same way you would if you're living in a heavily populated area like New York City.

00:03:23.000 But even in Europe, You're starting to see the differential data emerge from places like Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark.

00:03:28.000 Places that are locking down in Northern Europe are seeing the curve start to flatten.

00:03:32.000 Places like Sweden are seeing the curve start to steepen.

00:03:35.000 So, obviously the social distancing measures are, in fact, effective.

00:03:39.000 And now, does that mean that in the end, when all is said and done, the social distancing measures will have been worth wrecking the entire world economy?

00:03:46.000 We don't know yet.

00:03:48.000 I mean, frankly, all we can do at this point is go on the best available data.

00:03:51.000 And that's what these models that were presented by the White House yesterday are.

00:03:55.000 That's really what it comes down to.

00:03:56.000 So yesterday, over at the White House, The Trump administration laid out some models for what is going to happen going forward.

00:04:06.000 President Trump announced that this is going to be painful.

00:04:09.000 There's going to be painful weeks and months ahead.

00:04:10.000 This obviously is true. 0.62

00:04:12.000 Reality has set in for the Trump administration, but it's been set in for about three weeks now.

00:04:16.000 We're starting to see all the recriminations from the partisans in the media who are suggesting, well, if Trump had just been on top of this in late January, then everything would have been different.

00:04:23.000 Well, listen, it would have been great if the Trump administration had been Over seeing the CDC with regard to testing a lot earlier and a lot better.

00:04:29.000 It also would've been great if three successive administrations had not ignored all of the requests for building up ventilator and hospital bed capacity.

00:04:36.000 That would've been really good.

00:04:37.000 Also, it would've been great if the Democrats had not been downplaying it at the same time as Trump.

00:04:42.000 I'm getting kind of sick of the sort of timeline politics that are being played right here where Democrats We're calling for a full lockdown in late January.

00:04:49.000 That's not true.

00:04:50.000 If Donald Trump in January 28th, when he issued the China travel ban, had said, not only am I barring travel from China, also we need a two-week lockdown so we can ramp up testing in the United States.

00:04:59.000 You think Democrats would have gone along with that?

00:05:00.000 Is there any shot at all that Democrats would have gone along with it?

00:05:03.000 Vox was running pieces in late January about how this was the seasonal flu.

00:05:06.000 So let's be real about the fact that nobody knew anything in late January sufficient to take the most drastic step in the history of the American economy and in the history of American government in a non-wartime scenario.

00:05:19.000 Let's be real about the timeline.

00:05:20.000 Let's be real about imperfect knowledge in times of imperfect knowledge.

00:05:23.000 Let's also be real about the way that the media are treating some of these death tolls.

00:05:27.000 So you're seeing a lot of headlines today.

00:05:29.000 Things like The United States could be on pace to lose more people than the Vietnam War, that yesterday we surpassed the death toll from 9-11. 1.00

00:05:37.000 Yes, because these diseases are not like wars or like terrorist attacks, you idiots. 1.00

00:05:41.000 Okay, there's a lot of talk about how this is not like the flu. 1.00

00:05:43.000 That's true, it's not like the flu.

00:05:45.000 It's like the flu in that it is a disease.

00:05:46.000 It is not like the flu in that it has a much higher transmissibility rate and presumably a higher death rate, although the estimates range from around flu rates to 10 times flu rates, and those estimates vary, ranging from Dr. Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford who says this is going to look like seasonal flu when it comes to the final fatality rates, to the folks over at Imperial College who think that it's around 1%.

00:06:06.000 But, with all of that said... 0.99

00:06:08.000 To compare this to Vietnam is idiotic. 1.00

00:06:09.000 To compare this to 9-11 is idiotic. 1.00

00:06:12.000 I mean, if we're going to do disease tolls as compared to wars, then let's just be straight about the flu itself. 0.98

00:06:16.000 The flu itself, in a bad year, will kill 58,000, 60,000 people in a bad year in the United States.

00:06:21.000 That's as many as we lost during the entire Vietnam War.

00:06:23.000 It never saw any headlines about how the flu is our new Vietnam. 0.62

00:06:27.000 That's not the way this works.

00:06:28.000 A disease is a disease.

00:06:29.000 It requires really strict treatment right now.

00:06:32.000 But to compare it to terrorist attacks or the Vietnam War, which were In large part, political failures is just ignorance, okay?

00:06:39.000 What we are watching right here is a pandemic washing through the population and taking out a lot of people.

00:06:44.000 Not even- You want to compare it to something compared to the Spanish flu from 1918?

00:06:47.000 You want to compare it to something compared to the 1958 Hong Kong flu?

00:06:50.000 If you want to compare it to something, compare it to SARS. 1.00

00:06:52.000 Compare it to other diseases, you idiots! 1.00

00:06:54.000 This is a category error. 1.00

00:06:55.000 Do not compare it to wars.

00:06:56.000 Wars are not the same thing.

00:06:57.000 Botchery and wars is not quite the same thing as we have a shortage of ventilator supplies and we are all doing our best to get those ventilators out there and also we have to stay home.

00:07:05.000 That is not the same thing in any way, shape, or form, and your media, who are so determined to turn this into a political disaster as opposed to just a human disaster, are making a very large-scale mistake.

00:07:16.000 Okay, we're going to get to what exactly President Trump said yesterday.

00:07:19.000 We're going to get to all of the modeling, and we're going to get to some more data talking about who is actually the most vulnerable in all of this.

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00:08:48.000 Okay, so President Trump yesterday gives this press conference at the White House, and he says this is going to be a very, very rough couple of weeks.

00:08:54.000 We're going to have some rough weeks and months ahead.

00:08:56.000 This obviously is true. 0.62

00:08:57.000 I want every American to be prepared for the hard days that lie ahead.

00:09:02.000 We're going to go through a very tough two weeks.

00:09:05.000 And then hopefully, as the experts are predicting, as I think a lot of us are predicting after having studied it so hard, You're going to start seeing some real light at the end of the tunnel, But this is going to be a very painful, very, very painful two weeks.

00:09:22.000 When you look and see at night the kind of death that's been caused by this invisible enemy, it's incredible.

00:09:35.000 It is indeed distressing.

00:09:37.000 And that was a very rough press conference yesterday.

00:09:39.000 I mean, it was a useful press conference, but it was a rough press conference because it was finally the acknowledgement that a lot of people are going to die from this.

00:09:45.000 According to the modeling, President Trump did go out of his way to praise doctors and nurses.

00:09:49.000 Again, I've been doing that every day on the program too.

00:09:50.000 Registered nurses, respiratory therapists.

00:09:53.000 And I watched the doctors and the nurses walking into that hospital this morning.

00:09:57.000 It's like military people going into battle, going into war.

00:09:59.000 The bravery is incredible.

00:10:00.000 of the reasons we got to expedite the creation of the of the masks and the personal protective equipment.

00:10:05.000 Here's President Trump yesterday praising the doctors and the nurses.

00:10:08.000 And I watched the doctors and the nurses walking into that hospital this morning.

00:10:13.000 It's like military people going into battle going into war.

00:10:19.000 The bravery is incredible and I just have to take my hat.

00:10:26.000 I I would take my hat.

00:10:27.000 If I were wearing a hat, I'd rip that hat off so fast.

00:10:30.000 And I would say you people are just incredible.

00:10:35.000 They're very brave.

00:10:35.000 They really are.

00:10:38.000 Meanwhile, President Trump did finally say coronavirus is not the flu.

00:10:38.000 Okay.

00:10:41.000 That comes several weeks after he said that it was very much like the flu.

00:10:44.000 Now, to be real, Vox also, as I say, Vox is a left-wing outlet run by Ezra Klein.

00:10:48.000 We had him on the Sunday special.

00:10:48.000 Nice guy.

00:10:49.000 But Vox.com in late January was saying that this was like the flu.

00:10:52.000 They ended up deleting that tweet.

00:10:53.000 And it depends on what you mean by like the flu.

00:10:56.000 I mean, I don't mean to be a lawyer here, but it does I mean, this is a virus.

00:10:59.000 It is a very grave, very serious virus.

00:11:01.000 It does spread like the flu, only more so.

00:11:03.000 It is more deadly than the flu.

00:11:05.000 So if you're saying it's like the flu, as in it is just exactly like the flu, like you're equating them, that's true.

00:11:11.000 That's not true at all.

00:11:12.000 If you are saying that it is disease like the flu, that is certainly more accurate than saying it's like Vietnam or 9-11. 0.99

00:11:17.000 Anyway, here's President Trump acknowledging finally that coronavirus is not like the flu.

00:11:21.000 And listen, he's been on this track for weeks now.

00:11:24.000 I don't think anybody in the country really believes that coronavirus is like the flu.

00:11:27.000 That's why we're all in our houses right now.

00:11:28.000 Here's President Trump.

00:11:30.000 A lot of people have said, a lot of people have thought about it.

00:11:32.000 Write it out.

00:11:32.000 Don't do anything.

00:11:33.000 Just write it out and think of it as the flu.

00:11:37.000 But it's not the flu.

00:11:39.000 It's vicious.

00:11:40.000 When you send a friend to the hospital and you call up to find out, how is he doing?

00:11:45.000 It happened to me, where he goes to the hospital.

00:11:49.000 He says goodbye.

00:11:50.000 He's sort of a tough guy.

00:11:53.000 A little older, a little heavier than he'd like to be, frankly.

00:11:59.000 And you call up the next day, how's he doing?

00:12:01.000 And he's in a coma?

00:12:03.000 This is not the flu.

00:12:05.000 Yeah, obviously, President Trump is correct about this.

00:12:08.000 Dr. Anthony Fauci, he got up and he said, okay, well, let's just lay it out on the table.

00:12:12.000 We expect between 100,000 and 240,000 deaths, and that includes the mitigation.

00:12:16.000 That includes the mitigation.

00:12:16.000 Now, Fauci, as we'll see, also said that we could be completely wrong, right?

00:12:20.000 The data's only good as what we are putting in.

00:12:23.000 Modeling is only as good as the data that you put in.

00:12:25.000 If the situation changes, then the outcomes change fairly radically.

00:12:28.000 We saw this from Dr. Neil Ferguson over at Imperial College in London.

00:12:33.000 He originally had suggested that if there was no mitigation, then you could see millions of deaths, half a million deaths in the UK.

00:12:39.000 And then with mitigation, it could be like 20,000 deaths.

00:12:41.000 And then he downgraded again.

00:12:42.000 He said, maybe we're only going to see 5,000 or 10,000 deaths.

00:12:44.000 from this.

00:12:46.000 But here is Dr. Fauci suggesting that the models are showing 100 to 240,000 deaths with mitigation.

00:12:51.000 Now notice, the range on that is enormous.

00:12:54.000 I mean, that's an enormous range.

00:12:55.000 There's a major difference between 100,000 and 240,000 deaths across the United States.

00:13:00.000 To put this by way of contrast, about 640,000 people, 650,000 people die every year in the United States from heart disease.

00:13:04.000 About 600,000 die in the United States from cancer.

00:13:09.000 The difference between 100,000 and 240,000 is basically the death toll times two from the flu.

00:13:15.000 That's about 100,000 in a bad year.

00:13:17.000 And the death toll, that is like half of heart disease in the United States, which is a huge, huge number.

00:13:23.000 Anyway, here is Dr. Fauci saying, here's what we expect.

00:13:25.000 But again, the range shows how much uncertainty there is in the modeling.

00:13:29.000 And that's not the fault of the modelers.

00:13:30.000 That's just the reality of life.

00:13:32.000 I mean, the data that we are getting from China has not been accurate so far.

00:13:34.000 There's been wide variation in the data that we are getting from places like Italy and places like Germany.

00:13:40.000 If you look at the actual per capita deaths per 1 million population, it varies incredibly widely.

00:13:47.000 Right now, the United States has 12 deaths per 1 million population.

00:13:50.000 That will go up because the population does not rise, really, and the deaths do rise.

00:13:53.000 You're going to see that number go up.

00:13:55.000 In Italy, you've seen 206 deaths per 1 million population.

00:14:00.000 So literally 20 times as many deaths per 1 million of the population in Italy as in the United States.

00:14:04.000 Same kind of thing in Spain.

00:14:05.000 Spain has Italy-type numbers.

00:14:07.000 France, which is a little bit ahead of us on the curve, they have 54 deaths per 1 million population.

00:14:12.000 The Netherlands has 68 deaths per 1 million population.

00:14:16.000 Belgium has 71.

00:14:17.000 If you were to say that the United States ends up performing more like those nations, that in the end we end up in the 70 range, 70 deaths per 1 million population, Which is sort of like the countries that are not Spain and not Italy but also not being spared this horrific virus.

00:14:34.000 Then you would end up with approximately 23,000 deaths in the United States.

00:14:40.000 So maybe that ends up being really low.

00:14:42.000 Maybe that ends up being really low, but maybe it doesn't.

00:14:44.000 Maybe it ends up being about right if we all stay home and if we all take the precautions.

00:14:48.000 Now, one of the questions is going to be, these estimates are made over the course of the year.

00:14:51.000 How are they even modeling?

00:14:53.000 They didn't break down the model in super specific detail yesterday at the White House.

00:14:56.000 How are they actually modeling the second wave?

00:14:59.000 How are they modeling the possibility of us going back to work?

00:15:01.000 Because this is with heavy mitigation measures.

00:15:03.000 Again, giving sort of the bottom line doesn't give you all the details that you need at this point.

00:15:08.000 What's the timeline here?

00:15:10.000 Not totally clear.

00:15:11.000 It seems that they are using the University of Washington study as the basis for these statistics.

00:15:16.000 That study suggested in the next four months there will be 81,000 deaths.

00:15:19.000 It will peak around April 15th.

00:15:20.000 We'll see about 2,300 deaths that day.

00:15:23.000 Well, 81,000 deaths in the next four months doesn't really – I'm not sure how that model ends up with as we relax things over the course of the next 12 months because that's what we're going to have to do.

00:15:33.000 How do you end up with only 100,000 deaths if you have 81,000 by the end of the summer?

00:15:37.000 That's sort of difficult to fathom.

00:15:39.000 In any case, here was Dr. Fauci announcing those numbers.

00:15:41.000 Dr. Fauci, should Americans be prepared for the likelihood that there will be 100,000 Americans who die from this virus?

00:15:49.000 Did The answer is yes.

00:15:53.000 We need, as sobering a number as that is, we should be prepared for it.

00:15:59.000 Is it going to be that much?

00:16:01.000 I hope not.

00:16:02.000 And I think the more we push on the mitigation, the less likelihood it would be that number.

00:16:08.000 But as being realistic, we need to prepare ourselves that that is a possibility, that that's what we will see.

00:16:15.000 Okay, again, that's a lot of hedging right there, right?

00:16:17.000 I mean, the hedging is good.

00:16:17.000 And that's good.

00:16:18.000 I think that one of the things the government is doing right now, I think Fauci's doing this, I think Birx is doing this, I think Trump is doing this, is they're saying, here's how bad things could get even with the stuff we have in place.

00:16:26.000 So how about hunker down more?

00:16:28.000 How about more of what you're doing, right?

00:16:30.000 If in doubt, stay home is sort of the message that's coming out from the government.

00:16:33.000 I don't think that's necessarily the wrong message.

00:16:35.000 You know, again, I am not an epidemiologist, so I'm not going to doubt the numbers.

00:16:38.000 I'm just going to point out there's a lot of play in the joints here, because that is factually true.

00:16:42.000 There is a lot of play in these joints.

00:16:43.000 That's why the models are constantly changing, constantly shifting, constantly being revised and updated.

00:16:48.000 Even Fauci said that, right?

00:16:49.000 Fauci said the models are only as good as the assumptions you put into them.

00:16:51.000 Here's Dr. Fauci yesterday making clear that these models are not in any way the word of God.

00:16:56.000 What we do is that every time we get more data, you feed it back in and re-look at the model.

00:17:02.000 Is the model really telling you what's actually going on?

00:17:06.000 And again, I know my modeling colleagues are going to not be happy with me, but models are as good as the assumptions you put into them.

00:17:14.000 And as we get more data, Then you put it in and that might change.

00:17:19.000 So even though it says according to the model, which is a good model that we're dealing with, this is full mitigation.

00:17:26.000 As we get more data as the weeks go by, that could be modified.

00:17:32.000 Right.

00:17:32.000 I mean, so keep that in mind, right?

00:17:34.000 The numbers that they're giving right now are sort of a very, very basic guide.

00:17:37.000 They're not the final word on this by any stretch of the imagination.

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00:19:52.000 All right, so Dr. Deborah Birx, she followed up from Fauci.

00:19:56.000 She says, yeah, you know, we modeled for SARS here, right?

00:19:58.000 The Chinese were basically lying to us. 1.00

00:20:00.000 And so we were modeling for a disease that really has a completely different vector than this particular disease.

00:20:05.000 I think when you looked at the China data originally and you said, oh, well, there's 80 million people, you start thinking of this more like SARS than you do this kind of global pandemic.

00:20:18.000 So I think the medical community made, interpreted the Chinese data as that this was serious, but smaller.

00:20:28.000 than anyone expected because I think probably we were missing a significant amount of the data now that when we see what happened to Italy and we see what happened to Spain.

00:20:41.000 Okay, so, as we put in new data, we change the model.

00:20:44.000 Now, there is some good news here.

00:20:45.000 Fauci did say in an interview yesterday that the rate of increase is dropping off across the United States, which, as I say, suggests that the social distancing measures, the stay-at-home stuff, is actually working.

00:20:56.000 It's starting to work not just in the United States, it's working in Italy as well.

00:20:58.000 Here's Anthony Fauci talking about it.

00:21:00.000 So what we're starting to see right now is just the inklings and I don't want to put too much stock on it because you don't want to get overconfident, just want to keep pushing on what you're doing.

00:21:12.000 You're starting to see that the daily increases are not in that steep incline They're starting to be able to possibly flatten out.

00:21:21.000 I mean, again, you look at it carefully, hope it's going in the right direction, but that's what we really are trying to attain, that multi-phase component where it ultimately starts to come down.

00:21:34.000 Okay, so that is some good news.

00:21:36.000 Italy, by the way, is starting to see the curve flattened just a bit.

00:21:40.000 Marcus Walker from the Wall Street Journal reports, Italian authorities believe the country's coronavirus epidemic is slowing down appreciably after three weeks of national lockdown, a hopeful sign for other Western countries that are following approaches similar to Italy's with a time lag.

00:21:52.000 Italian officials and health experts said it will take until after Easter to cut new infections enough to begin loosening the lockdown and reopening parts of Italy's economy.

00:21:59.000 Silvio Bruce Aferro, president of the National Health Institute, Italy's main disease control center, says we seem to be arriving at a sort of plateau, which shows that the measures are working.

00:22:07.000 Meanwhile, there's new CDC data that is out showing that the people who are most at risk are obviously, we have seen this already, people who are suffering from pre-existing conditions.

00:22:16.000 People of chronic medical conditions like diabetes, lung disease, heart disease.

00:22:20.000 They face an increased chance of being hospitalized with COVID-19 and put into intensive care, according to new data from the CDC.

00:22:27.000 That is consistent with all the reports from China and Italy as well.

00:22:29.000 The new data gives the most sweeping look at the way COVID-19 is causing serious illnesses among people in the United States who already face medical challenges.

00:22:37.000 The report reinforces a critically important lesson.

00:22:39.000 Although the disease is typically more severe among older people, people of any age with underlying medical conditions are at increased risk if they contract the virus.

00:22:46.000 Now, that is true.

00:22:47.000 But again, the people who are most at risk are the people who have those underlying medical conditions.

00:22:51.000 The pre-existing conditions covered in the CDC records include heart and lung diseases, diabetes, chronic renal disease, chronic liver disease, immunocompromised conditions, neurological disorders, Neurodevelopmental or intellectual disability, pregnancy, current or former smoker status, and other chronic disease, the CDC found, of people requiring admissions when ICU, 78% had at least one underlying health condition.

00:23:11.000 Of people hospitalized but not requiring ICU, 71% had at least one such condition, compared to 27% of people who didn't need to be hospitalized.

00:23:19.000 Among all cases analyzed, 10.9% of patients had diabetes, 9.2% had chronic lung disease, 9% had cardiovascular disease.

00:23:28.000 There was no report as to whether severity of disease corresponded to pre-existing condition.

00:23:33.000 But with all of that said...

00:23:35.000 Obviously, those with pre-existing conditions are at the highest levels of risk.

00:23:40.000 Now, as I've said, one of the questions about the modeling in all of this is going to be, what is the time delay factor here?

00:23:46.000 So that University of Washington model I said earlier, 81,000 deaths by July, they're talking about 84,000 deaths by August, something like that.

00:23:53.000 And then total, they're saying like somewhere between 100 and 240,000 deaths.

00:23:56.000 Hard to see how if we have 84,000 deaths by August, and there's a second wave, That doesn't look really a lot higher by the time we get to the end of the year.

00:24:06.000 I mean, the fact remains.

00:24:09.000 That we are seeing a second wave of diseases that are breaking out in Asia as well.

00:24:13.000 And that does raise the question of how we reopen all of this.

00:24:17.000 Holman Jenkins over the Wall Street Journal asks that question.

00:24:20.000 He says, experts are now planning ways to get Americans back to work with mass testing and mass provision of masks and gloves.

00:24:26.000 Second, thoughts about the lockdown aren't due only to economic costs.

00:24:29.000 Accumulating evidence seems to show COVID-19 spreading to the most vulnerable through close family contact rather than casual interactions.

00:24:35.000 The experts' recovery plans But is that even possible?

00:24:37.000 ...on whether the goal is to slow the rate at which we get exposed or save us from getting infected altogether.

00:24:41.000 The polling data on which President Trump made the decision this week to extend social distancing guidelines... ...can be read as most Americans believing they should be kept safe from ever getting the virus.

00:24:49.000 But is that even possible?

00:24:52.000 Holman Jenkins says, if we were being as candid in the U.S. as they are in Australia... ...each of us might be asking ourselves the herd immunity question...

00:24:59.000 So I belong among the 60% who need to get infected or the 40% who should avoid all exposure until the epidemic snuffs itself out.

00:25:06.000 He says, I tend to think of myself as on the bubble.

00:25:08.000 This is right.

00:25:08.000 When we get back to work, we're going to have to determine who is the most likely to get the disease and die from the disease as people go back to work, because this cannot last indefinitely.

00:25:16.000 It just cannot.

00:25:17.000 There's no way that we can be in August and everybody is still working from home.

00:25:20.000 Not with the unemployment rates shooting up to in excess of 30%.

00:25:23.000 That's not going to work.

00:25:25.000 Everybody is furloughing people.

00:25:26.000 Everybody is taking salary cuts.

00:25:27.000 Everybody is laying people off.

00:25:29.000 And you can't just float people money until the end of time.

00:25:32.000 That's not something that is even possible.

00:25:34.000 And as I say, Asia has a new wave of virus cases that demonstrate that this thing is not going away anytime soon.

00:25:40.000 According to the New York Times, in China, international flights have been cut back so severely that Chinese students abroad wonder when they will be able to get home.

00:25:46.000 In Singapore, recently returned citizens must share their phone's location data with the authorities each day to prove they are sticking to government-ordered quarantines across Asia.

00:25:54.000 Countries and cities that seem to have brought the coronavirus epidemic under control are suddenly tightening their borders, imposing stricter containment measures, fearful about a wave of new infections imported from elsewhere.

00:26:03.000 The moves pretend a worrisome sign for the United States, Europe, and the rest of the world still battling a surging outbreak.

00:26:09.000 Any country's success with containment could be tenuous.

00:26:11.000 The world could remain on a kind of indefinite lockdown.

00:26:13.000 But here's the thing.

00:26:14.000 That lockdown cannot, in fact, remain completely indefinite.

00:26:18.000 There is no way for the lockdown To remain completely indefinite given the fact that the Fed cannot just continue floating people money forever.

00:26:28.000 Bloomberg is reporting the Federal Reserve is now acting as the central banker to the world by seeking to provide the global financial system with dollar liquidity it needs to avoid seizing up.

00:26:38.000 In its latest measure to combat the economic fallout from coronavirus, the Fed said Tuesday it was establishing A new program that was designed to provide liquidity across the world.

00:26:47.000 It was establishing a temporary repurchase agreement facility to allow foreign central banks to swap any treasury securities they hold for cash.

00:26:54.000 So we are going to give them cash, they're going to sell us back our bonds.

00:26:56.000 So basically you've got treasury buying back all the bonds, which essentially means inflation.

00:27:01.000 That's yet another step beyond the actions it took in the 2008 financial crisis.

00:27:04.000 Former Fed official Ted Truman, now senior fellow for the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington, says to the Federal Reserve's credit, it is playing the role of central bankers of the world rather than denying it and trying to ward it off.

00:27:15.000 The Fed is trying to prevent a liquidity squeeze amid a worldwide rush into dollars as the virus wreaks havoc on a global economy that is dependent on the dollar as its linchpin.

00:27:23.000 Julia Coronado, founding partner of Macro Policy Perspectives in New York, former Fed economist, said in an interview, a lot of borrowing in commerce and investing is done When you have dollar crunch, it can turn a recession or contraction into a financial crisis very quickly because the dollar shortage can trigger defaults and deleveraging, meaning people start calling in their loans.

00:27:39.000 The loans are bad.

00:27:40.000 People who have loans to the lenders or who have securities that are backed by those loans start to default.

00:27:48.000 So the Fed is basically inflating.

00:27:49.000 Well, you can't inflate forever.

00:27:51.000 I mean, it's just not possible to continue inflating until the end of time.

00:27:56.000 And that means that we are going to have to get to work at some point.

00:27:58.000 And that also means that we're going to have to come up with some new plans.

00:28:01.000 Maybe one of those plans would be the reintroduction of masks, right?

00:28:05.000 Everybody in the government was basically fibbing to you for months when they said you don't need a mask.

00:28:10.000 The truth is you probably do.

00:28:11.000 Not to avoid getting disease, but to avoid spreading disease.

00:28:13.000 Scott Gottlieb has stated as much, who's on CNBC this morning, and he said, why are we not using masks?

00:28:19.000 Like, look at the vectors of countries that are using masks.

00:28:21.000 It's a lot better.

00:28:22.000 I think now that it's become epidemic in certain cities, a mask can be of value.

00:28:26.000 A mask has two benefits.

00:28:27.000 One, it can protect you.

00:28:29.000 It does provide incremental protection if you wear it right, and it doesn't encourage you to touch your face.

00:28:33.000 The problem with the mask is when people have it on, sometimes they're more likely to adjust it and touch their face, and then that defeats the purpose of the mask.

00:28:39.000 But the bigger benefit from the mask is that if you have infection, it dramatically reduces your risk of transmitting that infection.

00:28:46.000 The mask is going to provide incremental benefit regardless.

00:28:49.000 And I think, you know, if we're at the point of telling people they have to shelter in place, I think imposing a requirement that they have to wear a mask if they do, in fact, go out isn't isn't that burdensome.

00:28:57.000 I mean, that that of course is exactly right.

00:29:02.000 We're going to have to start thinking differently about how we do the office.

00:29:04.000 I think a lot of people who can continue to work from home will continue to work from home.

00:29:08.000 Otherwise, people are going to go back to stores, people are going to go back to retail establishments.

00:29:12.000 And hell, wouldn't you rather wear a mask at this point and be able to go to a store?

00:29:17.000 I mean, seriously, what a mask prevents you from doing is touching your own face.

00:29:21.000 That's what masks are designed to do. 0.60

00:29:22.000 And I've seen a bunch of people at the grocery store, when I go, who are either not wearing masks at all, or if you're wearing a mask, you're wearing it over your mouth, but not over your nose. 1.00

00:29:29.000 Don't be an idiot. 1.00

00:29:30.000 Wear it over your nose. 1.00

00:29:31.000 That's what the masks are designed to do.

00:29:32.000 They're designed to prevent you from breathing out your germs on everybody else.

00:29:35.000 The other thing that masks are good for is to prevent you from touching your own nose and mouth, which are going to, again, be the typical vectors. 0.70

00:29:40.000 Now, you touch your face, there's a better chance that you're going to get somebody else's germs on you.

00:29:46.000 But we're going to have to think about how do we socially distance?

00:29:49.000 How do we get people back to work?

00:29:51.000 How do we delay this thing?

00:29:53.000 Maybe the summer helps us.

00:29:54.000 Maybe the summer really helps kill this thing off.

00:29:56.000 But do we start wearing masks again come the winter?

00:29:58.000 At least until a vaccine is developed?

00:30:00.000 I think the answer is probably yes.

00:30:02.000 Now, does that mean that the masks are available right now?

00:30:05.000 No, but I promise you that the mask development is going to ramp up dramatically, dramatically in the very, very near future.

00:30:11.000 Now, speaking of the resources, the federal government is bringing all of its resources to bear.

00:30:16.000 I mean, nobody, again, it's easy to say people expected this, but when you have a federal government that has two million people in it, and when you have tons of reports each and every day, and you can pick reports over the course of a decade and a half saying we need more ventilators, we need more masks, and everybody basically ignored them, it's hard to specifically fault the Trump administration for that.

00:30:35.000 I remember the same sort of thing happened after 9-11.

00:30:36.000 I remember there was a report that said that perhaps terrorists are seeking to use planes, and then everyone was like, oh, well, the Bush administration should have known.

00:30:46.000 Yeah, and there were similar reports during the Clinton administration, and also it didn't say the planes were going to be crashed into the World Trade Center.

00:30:52.000 And bottom line is this.

00:30:53.000 The one thing the government is supposed to be good at, right? 1.00

00:30:55.000 The government is a giant lumbering idiot, right? 1.00

00:30:59.000 That's what the government is. 1.00

00:31:00.000 The one thing it is supposed to be good at is planning for catastrophic situations.

00:31:04.000 It also is another thing the government is bad at, because the government is bad at everything.

00:31:07.000 And when the government actually responds, it can do so in a more collectivized fashion than individuals can.

00:31:12.000 But that does not mean that the government is good at risk assessment.

00:31:14.000 The government is very not good at risk assessment.

00:31:16.000 And laying that exclusively at the feet of Trump is a mistake.

00:31:20.000 With that said, supplies are being brought to bear.

00:31:22.000 The U.S.

00:31:22.000 Surgeon General, Jerome Adams, said this yesterday.

00:31:25.000 People need to stay at home.

00:31:26.000 You've heard me say it many times.

00:31:28.000 We are working around the clock to get supplies to cities across the country, to mayors and to governors, but we aren't going to supply our way out of this problem.

00:31:36.000 The way we solve this problem is by everyone coming together, stopping the spread, by limiting large gatherings, by staying at home.

00:31:44.000 So, you know, again, we are mobilizing.

00:31:48.000 Even Andrew Cuomo in New York, he's been saying the White House has been very helpful.

00:31:51.000 Again, I'm sort of bewildered as to how the media treatment works here, because the way the media treatment seems to work is they praise Cuomo for basically just giving pressers every day.

00:32:01.000 I mean, really, like, he's doing what he's supposed to be doing, but I don't see how he's doing anything different than Gavin Newsom.

00:32:05.000 He just receives outside praise because he has been openly critical of President Trump in a way that Gavin Newsom has not.

00:32:11.000 So I guess that makes him hero of the resistance.

00:32:12.000 Anyway, here's Andrew Cuomo acknowledging the White House has been very helpful here.

00:32:17.000 The federal government is a partner in this, obviously.

00:32:20.000 I spoke to the president again yesterday about this situation.

00:32:25.000 I spoke to the vice president.

00:32:27.000 I spoke to Jared Kushner.

00:32:29.000 The White House has been very helpful.

00:32:31.000 Okay, so obviously that is good.

00:32:33.000 Okay, so in just a second we're going to get to What is important and what is not important about what is happening in the media because then the media have obviously been been covering the wrong kind of stuff and the angles that they are taking are politically driven very often and that that truly is ugly.

00:32:47.000 We're going to get to that in just one second.

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00:33:34.000 So one of the, you know, one of the unfortunate aspects of this is the media covering all the wrong stuff.

00:33:46.000 The media would prefer to do recriminations right now than, like, get the information to the public about what needs to happen.

00:33:51.000 So every so often, you get an article that's actually useful.

00:33:54.000 So, for example, the business section of the Washington Post today has an article of frequently asked questions about how you, a small business owner, can actually get a small business loan.

00:34:02.000 That's good, right?

00:34:03.000 We need to know that sort of stuff.

00:34:03.000 I mean, that's useful.

00:34:06.000 That article, by the way, does talk about when the funding will be made available.

00:34:10.000 Apparently the loans will be made available starting on Friday.

00:34:12.000 That goal was confirmed Tuesday by senior administration officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

00:34:15.000 So if you're a small business and you need a loan, then by Friday they're supposed to get this situation online.

00:34:20.000 The application has been really stripped down from what they normally use at the Small Business Administration.

00:34:25.000 Same day approvals will still be a challenge.

00:34:27.000 Most small businesses will take days gathering the documents they need to apply.

00:34:31.000 Even the most sophisticated banks will have a hard time short-cutting their processes to get money out the door really fast, according to Haicham Odgiri, the chief executive of small business-focused data analytics firm.

00:34:40.000 The new loans will cover payroll costs and employee benefits, mortgage interest incurred before February 15th, 2020.

00:34:45.000 Rent and utilities under lease agreements in force between February 15th, 2020 and utilities, for which the service began before February 2020.

00:34:53.000 Payroll costs include salary, wages, commissions, and tips capped at $100,000 for each employee.

00:34:57.000 It also includes benefits for vacation, parental leave, medical leave, sick leave, some other limited benefit categories.

00:35:02.000 In some cases, they can also cover interest on other debts.

00:35:06.000 The new loans are available to any business for which current economic uncertainty makes the loan necessary.

00:35:11.000 Approved lenders will make a determination of need for your business based on SBA guidelines.

00:35:14.000 There will be no SBA separate review.

00:35:17.000 Small businesses, nonprofits, tribal business concerns that meet the SBA's standard business size definition with fewer than 500 employees are eligible for loans under the program.

00:35:26.000 Self-employed individuals, independent contractors, sole proprietors are also eligible.

00:35:29.000 If you're in the food service business, the 500 employee cap is applied on a per physical location basis.

00:35:34.000 So presumably restaurant chains are allowed to get these loans.

00:35:39.000 The loans could be up to 10 million dollars to cover payroll and certain other expenses or 2.5 times your total payroll expenses from the loan period.

00:35:48.000 The sorts of stuff that could disqualify you?

00:35:50.000 Well, you can't receive a Paycheck Protection Program loan if your business or any of its owners have been previously suspended, disbarred, proposed for debarment, declared ineligible.

00:35:58.000 You'll be excluded if you've ever taken a loan from the SBA that caused a loss.

00:36:01.000 So, we're not just going to reward you with another loan if you've failed before with an SBA loan.

00:36:06.000 The application also excludes businesses in which any 20% owner is an individual who is currently subject to criminal charges.

00:36:14.000 The new loans apply to costs incurred from February 15th through June 30th.

00:36:18.000 The Treasury Department is setting the loan rate at 0.5%, but the CARES Act caps the interest rate for Paycheck Protection Program at 4%, so it's possible the interest rate could increase over time.

00:36:27.000 The first payment is due six months after it is incurred.

00:36:30.000 The full loan is due after two years.

00:36:32.000 Also, it looks like there could be some loan waivers.

00:36:35.000 The loan could be forgiven.

00:36:37.000 If you cover costs for the first eight weeks for companies able to keep employees on the payroll or continue paying bills throughout the coronavirus pandemic.

00:36:45.000 So the eligibility for loan forgiveness starts eight weeks after loan origination date.

00:36:49.000 So that is some basic information.

00:36:51.000 That's good journalism, right?

00:36:52.000 That's some useful stuff that you can use right now.

00:36:54.000 What is not useful right now is most of the stuff on the op-ed pages, which is mainly directed at playing the blame game and suggesting that the Trump administration is the worst, or Jim Acosta going out there and just sparring with the president because he just feels like pissing on the president.

00:37:09.000 Like, Jim Acosta.

00:37:10.000 And man, ladies, find you somebody who loves you like Jim Acosta loves Jim Acosta.

00:37:14.000 Here's Jim Acosta going at the president yesterday again asking useless questions.

00:37:18.000 Is there any fairness to the criticism that you may have lulled Americans into a false sense of security when you were saying things like it's going to go away?

00:37:25.000 Well, it is.

00:37:26.000 And that sort of thing, but... Jim, it's going away.

00:37:28.000 But when you were saying... It's going to go away, hopefully at the end of the month, and if not, it hopefully will be soon after that.

00:37:35.000 Hasn't your thinking on this evolved?

00:37:39.000 You're taking it more seriously now.

00:37:41.000 I think from the beginning, my attitude was that we have to give this country hope.

00:37:46.000 I know how bad it was.

00:37:47.000 All you have to do is look at what was going on in China.

00:37:49.000 It was devastation.

00:37:51.000 I'm not about bad news.

00:37:52.000 I want to give people hope.

00:37:53.000 I want to give people a feeling that we all have a chance.

00:37:59.000 Okay, a couple things can be true at once.

00:38:00.000 One, Trump didn't take this seriously enough in early February.

00:38:03.000 In mid-February, in early March, he did not take it seriously enough.

00:38:05.000 That is true.

00:38:06.000 It is true that the CDC had complete failures during February.

00:38:09.000 It is also true that as I've shown you through clip after clip after clip, neither did Mayor Bill de Blasio, neither did Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, who on February 24th was down in Chinatown in San Francisco telling people to come on out and party it up.

00:38:20.000 So yeah, Trump didn't take it seriously enough, but I have a question, Jim Acosta.

00:38:23.000 How does this help us going forward?

00:38:25.000 Again, I'm just going to go back to that question that somebody slid to an OANN reporter who was asking Trump a sort of sycophantic question.

00:38:31.000 How does this question help us fight coronavirus?

00:38:34.000 If you're going to ask a question of the President of the United States, how about what factors go into the decision making in terms of how you make a national lockdown pronouncement?

00:38:34.000 How is that useful?

00:38:43.000 Should you be making a national lockdown pronouncement given the fact that Florida and Texas are still not locked down?

00:38:49.000 What factors go into making that decision?

00:38:52.000 And if Trump doesn't have the answer, then he's got Fauci and Birx right there, so he can just go right back to them.

00:38:56.000 But the media are too busy playing politics. 0.96

00:38:59.000 It really is ridiculous. 0.68

00:39:01.000 By the way, so are many folks on sort of the Democratic left.

00:39:07.000 President Obama yesterday decided that it was necessary to sound off about global warming in the midst of all of this.

00:39:12.000 He tweeted out, we've all seen too terribly the consequences of those who denied warnings of a pandemic.

00:39:18.000 We can't afford any more consequences of climate denial.

00:39:20.000 All of us, especially young people, have to demand better of our government at every level and vote this fall.

00:39:26.000 I have a question.

00:39:27.000 Like, we're in the middle of a global pandemic.

00:39:28.000 You think that the global warming talk is really going to be like the thing that we're all worried about super a lot right now?

00:39:33.000 By the way, come on global warming.

00:39:35.000 I'm rooting for global warming right about now to kill off this virus.

00:39:38.000 I'm willing to take the hit 100 years from now if we can have a little more global warming in the next five minutes.

00:39:43.000 That'd be fantastic.

00:39:44.000 But when President Obama is out there playing this game, question, is that useful?

00:39:48.000 Is that super useful?

00:39:50.000 Julian Castro, former failed presidential candidate, he says, we have an affordable housing problem in the United States.

00:39:56.000 Seriously, that's where you're going with all of this is affordable housing?

00:39:59.000 We're trying to fight a global pandemic right now.

00:40:00.000 You might want to put your Marxist backburner ideas on backburner.

00:40:05.000 One of the things that this coronavirus has revealed is just how close so many million American families are to poverty.

00:40:12.000 And one of the things that I think we need to focus on more is that we need to be bolder when it comes to housing assistance to make sure that people can stay in the apartment or the home that they're living in.

00:40:24.000 So we need to be addressing this right now for the coronavirus period or crisis that we're in, but also it has demonstrated the long-term problem that we have when it comes to housing affordability out there.

00:40:38.000 Okay, come on.

00:40:39.000 Come on.

00:40:40.000 Your side projects don't matter.

00:40:41.000 By the way, neither does President Trump's $2 trillion call for infrastructure spending.

00:40:45.000 Sorry, we're too busy destroying the entire future of the American federal budget.

00:40:49.000 We're going to do that over here.

00:40:50.000 So if you want to add another $2 trillion on top of that to fill potholes, I'm going to go no on that.

00:40:55.000 And meanwhile, speaking of New York City, speaking of government watchdogs that just are throwing politics in front of the needs of the American people.

00:41:05.000 New York City's human rights watchdog, according to the Wall Street Journal, is now investigating Amazon.com over allegations an employee of a Staten Island warehouse was fired for helping to organize a walkout over work conditions in the midst of the new coronavirus pandemic, according to city officials.

00:41:18.000 The company fired Chris Smalls, a stock worker at the warehouse, on Monday.

00:41:21.000 The company said in a statement that Smalls violated social distancing guidelines, including ignoring orders to stay home for two weeks after coming into contact with a co-worker who had a confirmed case of COVID-19.

00:41:31.000 Walkouts did occur at several warehouses across the country on Monday.

00:41:34.000 Employees were protesting what they said were unsafe conditions for the coronavirus pandemic.

00:41:38.000 Mayor Bill de Blasio, the worst mayor in America, said at a press conference on Tuesday, the city's Commission on Human Rights is now investigating the allegations.

00:41:45.000 High priority.

00:41:46.000 Investigate the allegations that Amazon fired A derelict ne'er-do-well attempting to organize walkouts in the middle of a supply chain crisis in the United States.

00:41:55.000 If the allegations are true, the mayor said, that would be a violation of our city's human rights law, and we would act on it immediately.

00:42:01.000 The spokeswoman for Amazon said, we didn't terminate Mr. Small's employment for organizing a 15-person protest.

00:42:05.000 We terminated his employee for putting the health and safety of others at risk, in violation of his terms of employment.

00:42:12.000 De Blasio has been criticizing Amazon's work history.

00:42:15.000 De Blasio said, we'd all love to have a time machine and go back and figure out how to make this work.

00:42:18.000 The fact is, I actually think city government, state government agreed to a fair deal.

00:42:20.000 This is after New York nixed the deal with Amazon.

00:42:24.000 There's an entire opinion piece in the New York Times talking about the evils of Amazon.com by Greg Bensinger.

00:42:29.000 Okay, I'm going to go with like all the people who are in their houses right now relying on that Amazon truck to pull up with their groceries, have a bit of a different thought on all of this.

00:42:37.000 And by the way, I don't think that it should be illegal for Amazon to fire a worker for organizing a walkout in the middle of a pandemic after offering all workers a $2 an hour increase in the middle of the vastest unemployment wave in the history of America, and also offering them protective gear, and also offering them that they get to stay home when they are sick, they get paid sick leave, and telling them that they need to stay home when they are sick.

00:42:59.000 And people at Amazon, like, let's not forget what the chief demands of these workers who are walking out is.

00:43:04.000 Twice their pay.

00:43:06.000 Twice their pay.

00:43:07.000 You know who's out of work right now who could work at Amazon?

00:43:10.000 A lot of people.

00:43:11.000 A lot of people.

00:43:12.000 Six million people over the last two weeks, in fact, are probably fully capable of walking into an Amazon warehouse right now loading boxes.

00:43:19.000 So, it's amazing to me that the media will hold up people as heroes like this.

00:43:23.000 You wouldn't be holding up as heroes medical professionals who say they're going to walk out on the job.

00:43:28.000 Well, our supply lines matter right now.

00:43:30.000 It's amazing.

00:43:30.000 The same people who are talking about we need to nationalize, we need to use the Defense Production Act to force businesses to produce, are talking about how I'm talking about how it's right for workers to walk off the job in the middle of this.

00:43:42.000 By the way, if the government nationalized this, you'd think the government would be... Jacobin magazine, the commies over there, they said that we should nationalize Amazon in order to make all this better.

00:43:50.000 So that the government could force people to go to work?

00:43:50.000 Why?

00:43:53.000 As opposed to you now calling for the workers to be rewarded for walking off the job?

00:43:57.000 It's just amazing and utterly backwards.

00:44:00.000 And the New York Times, again, they have an editorial today from Greg Bensinger, a member of the Times editorial board, talking about the evils of Amazon.

00:44:07.000 Talking about how it's terrible that bricks-and-mortar retail has been falling apart and Amazon took advantage.

00:44:13.000 Okay, if it had not been for Amazon taking advantage, we can't even go to brick-and-mortar stores anymore.

00:44:16.000 You couldn't get anything.

00:44:18.000 Ben Singer says during the pandemic, reliable delivery of essentials like milk, eggs, toilet paper, cleaning supplies has been a lifeline for those who are reluctant or unable to venture outside their homes.

00:44:26.000 Amazon branded trucks have remained a familiar sight in residential neighborhoods.

00:44:29.000 The competitive advantage of Amazon's meticulously constructed worldwide logistics network Built to shuttle nearly every imaginable item to customers in as little as an hour are especially evident in this crisis.

00:44:40.000 Amazon has pledged to hire 100,000 temporary workers to keep up with demand.

00:44:43.000 Several other retail giants like Walmart and Target have kept pace with coronavirus quarantine demands by keeping physical stores open and leaning on their own delivery networks.

00:44:51.000 Well, Amazon and Walmart deserve credit for preparing for a calamity.

00:44:54.000 Some of their ability to deliver during such a crisis may have come at the cost of employee protections.

00:44:59.000 Ah, yes, now is an excellent time to talk about the evils of Amazon.

00:45:02.000 Well, it is the only company that is keeping people connected to food.

00:45:06.000 Good idea, guys.

00:45:07.000 Really, really strong stuff.

00:45:09.000 Factories are cutting output.

00:45:11.000 We're going to lose six million jobs in the course of two weeks.

00:45:13.000 And the folks at the New York Times are concerned that people have their salaries doubled in a time of mass unemployment.

00:45:20.000 Really?

00:45:20.000 By the way, you think Amazon has an interest in its workers dying off like flies, or its factories being overrun, or its warehouses being overrun with coronavirus?

00:45:26.000 I have some serious doubts about all of that.

00:45:28.000 Okay, time for a quick thing I like, and then we'll get to a thing that I hate.

00:45:31.000 So, quick thing that I like.

00:45:34.000 So the WHO definitely needs to feel the heat.

00:45:37.000 The World Health Organization has been a disaster area from begin to end.

00:45:40.000 They had one job here, one job, and their job was make sure a global pandemic does not overrun the world.

00:45:46.000 The United States, by the way, pays millions and millions of dollars into the WHO every single year.

00:45:52.000 The United States is the single largest funder of the WHO.

00:45:54.000 We contribute nearly 15% of the WHO's annual budget.

00:45:59.000 China, which apparently now runs the WHO, contributes a lot less than that.

00:46:05.000 China contributes like 2% of the annual budget of the WHO, last time I checked.

00:46:10.000 Something like that.

00:46:12.000 Well, Rick Scott, the senator from Florida, he says that the WHO needs to be held accountable for their role in promoting misinformation and helping communist China cover up a global pandemic.

00:46:20.000 He added, we know communist China is lying about how many cases and deaths they have, what they knew and when they knew it. 0.81

00:46:25.000 The WHO never bothered to investigate further.

00:46:27.000 Their inaction costs lives.

00:46:29.000 That of course is 100% true. 0.60

00:46:30.000 The WHO is a disaster.

00:46:33.000 The WHO has refused to admit Taiwan.

00:46:35.000 By the way, Taiwan is one of the only nations that actually handled this thing well.

00:46:38.000 It's a nation of 24 million people.

00:46:39.000 The total number of deaths in Taiwan at this moment is well under 50, I believe.

00:46:44.000 So Taiwan has really handled this thing as well as anybody can handle this thing.

00:46:49.000 The number of deaths in Taiwan total is 5.

00:46:52.000 Out of 329 cases, this is according to worldometers.

00:46:56.000 So they have one of the lowest rates of death in the industrialized world from this thing.

00:46:59.000 They're not even a member of the WHO at the behest of the Chinese government.

00:47:03.000 The WHO has praised Beijing for its response.

00:47:05.000 The WHO ignored the fact that Beijing lied about this thing for months.

00:47:10.000 As I mentioned yesterday on the radio show, Reason Magazine cited a study that suggested that if the Chinese had been more forthcoming about this thing three weeks earlier, it could have saved 95% of casualties across the planet.

00:47:22.000 The WHO has done nothing but praise China and talk about how wonderful China is.

00:47:26.000 WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, according to the Daily Caller, who won his election to the post with the backing of China, praised the government's openness to sharing information about the pandemic after traveling there on January 28th.

00:47:36.000 Okay, that was like a week after China claimed there was no human-to-human transmission.

00:47:41.000 Dr. Bruce Aylward, assistant director of the WHO, has praised China's agile and aggressive response to the virus.

00:47:46.000 He's the one who was interviewed by a journalist in Hong Kong who asked why Taiwan isn't part of the WHO, pretended that his connection cut out, and then his biography just mysteriously was removed from the WHO website.

00:47:58.000 Aylward said at a WHO press conference on February 27th on a fact-finding mission, which is weird since China has apparently been lying about all of its statistics.

00:48:10.000 So the WHO failed at every level.

00:48:12.000 Good for Rick Scott for pointing out the United States should not be footing the bill for the WHO's failures here.

00:48:17.000 There needs to be a radical reconsideration of exactly how these international organizations are run.

00:48:22.000 Because the bottom line is that when it comes to fighting a pandemic, these are not democratic decisions, okay?

00:48:27.000 I can think of nothing less democratic than shutting down the entire world economy, okay?

00:48:30.000 It's pretty undemocratic.

00:48:33.000 Pandemic response is not the same as normal response.

00:48:35.000 And international institutions exist for disaster response.

00:48:38.000 That is their goal.

00:48:39.000 The entire purpose of a WHO is to prevent disasters.

00:48:42.000 The entire purpose of a UN is to prevent disasters.

00:48:44.000 And yet these things are treated like democracies in the sense that not the most powerful country like the United States has the most weight.

00:48:51.000 Instead, the leaders of these nations are going to spend their days recognizing that the U.S.

00:48:56.000 will foot the bill and everyone else will free ride.

00:48:58.000 China will free ride, and then the United States will just continue footing the bill because we are supposedly the bedrock of international institutions.

00:49:06.000 Well, if we're the bedrock, we should start throwing around our weight.

00:49:10.000 The fact that the WHO completely failed in its one task and we footed 15% of the budget at the time is a disaster area.

00:49:18.000 It truly is.

00:49:19.000 And this has been true for the United Nations as well.

00:49:21.000 The United Nations has for a very long time been promoting some of the worst policy on planet Earth.

00:49:26.000 We've been footing the bill for the United Nations.

00:49:28.000 It's time to rejigger exactly how the United States interacts with these international institutions.

00:49:33.000 I've heard a lot of people saying the United States should be more multilateral.

00:49:35.000 Question.

00:49:36.000 Was China super multilateral in its original approach to this problem?

00:49:39.000 I don't think it was.

00:49:40.000 Do you?

00:49:41.000 It was not multilateral, as it turns out.

00:49:43.000 It turns out that China was very not multilateral, and its failure to be multilateral is what has led to this pandemic.

00:49:47.000 And then, by the way, China started its propaganda effort trying to blame the United States online, and its propaganda effort where they sent resources to other countries, like Spain, that were complete failures.

00:49:56.000 They sent testing to Spain.

00:49:57.000 The test didn't work.

00:49:59.000 But it didn't matter.

00:49:59.000 The entire media ran with the headlines.

00:50:01.000 Only now are the media beginning to catch on to the fact that China was lying.

00:50:05.000 Like, only now.

00:50:07.000 It's pretty incredible.

00:50:09.000 I mean, the fact that the media are only now realizing that perhaps China is not to be trusted.

00:50:15.000 Like, so we should trust the media, which blame Trump but not China, and New York Times editorials about the Trump virus and all of this.

00:50:23.000 Okay, good for Rick Scott.

00:50:24.000 It's time to, honestly, we need to take a chunk out of China for this. 0.96

00:50:28.000 The repercussions for this need to be extraordinarily grave.

00:50:31.000 Okay, China just cost the planetary economy probably $10 trillion minimum. 0.81

00:50:36.000 It cost us $6 trillion just here in the United States.

00:50:39.000 So, apparently, Beijing is still disappearing people over there. 0.94

00:50:45.000 Seriously, ridiculous. 0.55

00:50:47.000 So again, the WHO needs to be re-examined. 0.77

00:50:49.000 Any international institution in which China takes part needs to be re-examined.

00:50:52.000 And we need to start using our leverage in order to force China into a corner. 0.83

00:50:56.000 They need to be put in the corner.

00:50:58.000 It's really horrible.

00:50:59.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:51:05.000 Okay, so there's an article in The Atlantic today by Adrian Vermeule, who's a professor of constitutional law at Harvard Law School, and I think it is worthy of a brief discussion.

00:51:13.000 It's called Beyond Originalism.

00:51:14.000 The dominant conservative philosophy for interpreting the Constitution has served its purpose, and scholars ought to develop a more moral framework.

00:51:20.000 This is part of the common good conservatism wing of the conservative movement.

00:51:23.000 There's a really interesting ideological battle that's been put to the side, obviously, during a global pandemic, but It's kind of interesting and fun to discuss because it will rear its head very quickly, I think, in the near future.

00:51:33.000 And that is, there's a side of conservatism right now, or a side of the conservative movement, that basically suggests that government is there to do the common good.

00:51:40.000 That government is there to, quote-unquote, do justice.

00:51:42.000 Which, if that seems vague and scary to you, that's because it is vague and vaguely frightening.

00:51:47.000 The sort of libertarian-ish wing of the classical liberal wing of the Republican Party says that government is there to perform the functions that independent society cannot perform.

00:51:56.000 And it is there to enforce neutral rules that the goal of the government is to essentially prevent harms from one person toward another person on the federal level.

00:52:07.000 And then when it comes to local government and subsidiarity, when it comes to me and my friends in my local government creating rules for the community we wish to live in, as long as people can leave, then you have a little bit more leeway with what you can do with government.

00:52:17.000 That's sort of the traditional classical liberal view, right?

00:52:20.000 That mixes a bit of Baron de Montesquieu Localism with the classical liberal philosophy of John Locke, along with probably some John Stuart Mill, the sort of non-harm rule, right?

00:52:31.000 That's sort of where I come down.

00:52:33.000 Then there's the common good conservatism view, and that suggests that all the things that I like, right, family and church and marriage, And social networking, right, that all of that sort of stuff ought to be promoted by the government, even if that means violating the restrictions on government.

00:52:48.000 The government ought to be grown.

00:52:49.000 Now, the most dangerous form of this is being expounded by Professor Vermeule, or by Adrian Vermeule.

00:52:55.000 He is suggesting that basically conservatives ought to embrace this not as a legislative strategy, not just as we get elected to the federal government, now we're going to push laws that We think promote the common good, which is a sort of lefty perspective on how to use government itself, but that we ought to use the judiciary in order to do so, which is a complete violation of the checks and balances that were originally set forth by the founders.

00:53:17.000 And one of the reasons that the founders took a more classically liberal view of what government ought to do is because they had very little trust in the people who run government.

00:53:22.000 They thought that the people who run government are ambitious.

00:53:25.000 Check.

00:53:25.000 They think that the people who run government are incompetent.

00:53:27.000 Check.

00:53:28.000 They think that people who run government are willing to use powers in ways that most people are not happy with.

00:53:33.000 Absolutely.

00:53:34.000 This is why they instituted checks and balances.

00:53:36.000 Common good conservatism suggests, sort of like early 20th century progressivism, that those checks and balances ought to be put by the wayside in favor of the common good.

00:53:44.000 Now, that scares me because, to me, the government is a giant gun. 0.99

00:53:47.000 I called it a giant lumbering idiot before. 1.00

00:53:49.000 It is. 1.00

00:53:49.000 The government is a giant lumbering idiot. 1.00

00:53:51.000 So, that means that you really only want the giant lumbering idiot awakened when there is nearly 100% approval for an action. 1.00

00:53:57.000 We have the power to do that through building of consensus. 0.99

00:54:00.000 In an emergency, everyone is on board, right?

00:54:02.000 I'm libertarian-ish.

00:54:05.000 Reason Magazine is fully libertarian.

00:54:06.000 Nobody is calling for everybody out in the streets and the government can't do anything it's doing, right?

00:54:09.000 So, in emergencies, we understand we need the government, but in non-emergencies, we want those checks and balances to apply.

00:54:14.000 Adrian Vermeule is basically expounding the opposite.

00:54:18.000 He is saying that we want government to be able to do whatever Adrian Vermeule wants it to do today, which sounds a lot like, even if I agree with Adrian Vermeule, it sounds a lot more like the leftist version of what government ought to do.

00:54:29.000 Stuff I like.

00:54:30.000 Then like the principled containment of government for the preservation of individual liberty.

00:54:35.000 So Adrian Vermeule writes originalism in the judiciary, which is the perspective that the Constitution itself ought to be strictly interpreted such that you can't add stuff to the powers of government, right?

00:54:46.000 The Constitution is a document of delegated powers.

00:54:49.000 It says exactly what the government can do, and then everything it doesn't say the government can do, the government cannot do.

00:54:53.000 That's what the Constitution is designed to do.

00:54:55.000 And originalists on the judiciary, they say our job is to interpret the Constitution strictly like any other piece of law.

00:55:01.000 People who are on the left on the court have for generations suggested that we have to broadly construe the Constitution such that we can read our own moral wants into the vague language of the Constitution.

00:55:11.000 Vermeule says conservatives should do the same thing.

00:55:12.000 He says originally has outlived its utility.

00:55:15.000 has become an obstacle to the development of a robust, substantively conservative approach to constitutional law and interpretation.

00:55:22.000 Such an approach, one might call it common good constitutionalism, should be based on the principles that government helps direct persons, association, and society generally toward the common good, and that strong rule in the interest of attaining the common good is entirely legitimate.

00:55:34.000 Now remove the conservatism part of that, and I'm going to read that sentence again, and that is indistinguishable from what you would read at Jacobin Magazine.

00:55:41.000 Government helps direct persons, associations, and society generally toward the common good, and that strong rule in the interest of attaining the common good is entirely legitimate.

00:55:49.000 Does that sound like the checks and balances conservatism you know about?

00:55:53.000 The limited government conservatism you knew about?

00:55:56.000 The God-given rights given to individuals pre-existing government that you learned about in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution?

00:56:01.000 And that doesn't sound anything like that?

00:56:03.000 Because it isn't anything like that.

00:56:04.000 Vermeule says, in this time of global pandemic, the need for such an approach is all the greater.

00:56:10.000 Quick, quick point.

00:56:11.000 Anybody who gives you the cheat, it is a cheat.

00:56:13.000 Anybody who gives you the cheat of suggesting that pandemic politics are normal politics is not to be trusted.

00:56:19.000 In a time of pandemic, that, you know, if somebody breaks into my house in the middle of the night, and I go and I rack my shotgun, and then I know they're on the other side of the wall, and I can hear them creeping on the other side of the wall.

00:56:31.000 And so I blow a hole through the wall to get the guy on the other side of the wall with my shotgun.

00:56:34.000 That's a legitimate response.

00:56:36.000 Somebody creeping around in my house, don't know who it is.

00:56:38.000 I can see on my camera it's not a family member, and I blow a hole through the wall.

00:56:42.000 That does not suggest that in a normal, non-prowler-in-the-house situation, I should randomly go around blowing holes in my wall with my Mossberg.

00:56:50.000 Okay, and yet, that's what these pandemic politics people are saying.

00:56:54.000 They're saying, look, it's a pandemic.

00:56:55.000 See how we need government during a pandemic?

00:56:57.000 That means we should use government like this during a non-pandemic.

00:56:59.000 We see this from Democrats routinely with regard to the language of war.

00:57:03.000 That's why you get the war on poverty.

00:57:04.000 That's how you get the war on want.

00:57:08.000 Franklin Roosevelt, in his For Freedom speech, suggested that freedom from want was a key freedom.

00:57:12.000 No, freedom from want is not A freedom that is guaranteed by the Constitution.

00:57:17.000 Freedom of speech is guaranteed by the Constitution.

00:57:20.000 Freedom from want is something that should be accomplished through community and social network and social fabric.

00:57:26.000 But again, equating everything to a time of war, equating everything to a time of pandemic is a cheap way to move toward dictatorship.

00:57:34.000 Vermeule says alternatives to originalism have always existed on the right, loosely defined.

00:57:39.000 One is libertarian constitutionalism, which emphasizes principles of individual freedom that are often in uneasy tension with the Constitution's original meaning and the founding generation's norms.

00:57:48.000 The founding era was hardly libertarian on a number of fronts that loom today, such as freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

00:57:53.000 Well, this is why I have not suggested that it is a particularly originalist perspective to, for example, suggest that flag burning was enshrined by the U.S.

00:58:00.000 Constitution.

00:58:02.000 I'm not sure that that constitutional decision by Justice Scalia was in keeping with original intent. 0.97

00:58:07.000 Do I think that flag burning laws are dumb? 0.94

00:58:09.000 Yeah, I think they're counterproductive. 0.73

00:58:10.000 But I also am not sure that they should be ruled out by the Constitution.

00:58:15.000 Nonetheless, Vermeule continues.

00:58:16.000 He says that another alternative is Burkean traditionalism, which tries to slow the pace of legal innovation.

00:58:21.000 Here too, the difference with originalism is clear.

00:58:23.000 Originalism is sometimes revolutionary.

00:58:25.000 Consider the court's originalist opinion declaring a constitutional right to own guns, a standing break with the court's long-standing precedent.

00:58:31.000 So he's contrasting his vision with these other visions.

00:58:34.000 He says, circumstances have changed.

00:58:36.000 The hostile environment that made originalism a useful rhetorical and political expedient is now gone.

00:58:40.000 Outside the legal academy, legal conservatism is no longer besieged.

00:58:44.000 If President Trump is reelected, some version of legal conservatism will become the law's animating spirit for a generation of more.

00:58:50.000 Or more.

00:58:51.000 So in other words, what he wants is the judiciary to become an activist judiciary on behalf of things that Adrian Vermeule likes that have nothing to do with the Constitution.

00:58:58.000 How do we know that he is now mirroring the perspectives of the left?

00:59:00.000 Because he quotes people on the left.

00:59:02.000 And he says, I'm talking about a different, more ambitious project, one that abandons the defensive crouch of originalism and that refuses any longer to play within the terms set by legal liberalism.

00:59:11.000 Ronald Dworkin, the legal scholar and philosopher, used to urge moral readings of the Constitution.

00:59:16.000 Common good constitutionalism is methodologically Dworkinian, but advocates a different set of substantive moral commitments and priorities from Dworkin's, which were of a conventionally left-liberal bent.

00:59:27.000 Then he tries to proclaim that this is not legal positivism, meaning that it is not tethered to the particularly written instruments of civil law or the will of legislators who created them.

00:59:35.000 Instead, it just draws on the tradition of the Western canon, the inner logic that the activity of law should follow in order to function well as law.

00:59:45.000 He says it's not libertarianism.

00:59:46.000 It's not legal liberalism.

00:59:48.000 Its aim is not to maximize individual autonomy.

00:59:50.000 Bottom line is there's no limiting principle here.

00:59:52.000 This is not limiting principle.

00:59:53.000 It says, finally, unlike legal liberalism, says Adrian Vermeule, common good constitutionalism does not suffer from a horror of political domination and hierarchy because it sees that the law is parental, a wise teacher, an inculcator of good habits.

01:00:08.000 Hey, that sounds exactly like Barack Obama and his nudge strategy for what law ought to do.

01:00:13.000 It ought to make us better people, law.

01:00:14.000 Your parents ought to make you better people.

01:00:16.000 Your religious community ought to make you a better person.

01:00:19.000 Your moral teachings ought to make you a better person.

01:00:22.000 If you're relying on the government to make you moral and wise, let's just say that there's not a long history of that being particularly effective.

01:00:29.000 Just authority and rulers, says Adrian Vermeule, can be exercised for the good of subjects, if necessary, even against the subject's own perception of what is best for them.

01:00:37.000 Perceptions that may change over time anyway, as the law teaches, habituates, and reforms them.

01:00:42.000 Okay, this is... I'm sorry, this is dystopian language.

01:00:45.000 It really is.

01:00:47.000 If this were written by somebody on the left, we would all be calling it tyranny.

01:00:50.000 To pretend...

01:00:51.000 That common good constitutionalism is anything other than the arbitrary application of government power to a set of principles that you like, even if I like the same principles, is to completely reject the founding vision of a limited government Honestly, how do you fight the American Revolution under these terms?

01:01:09.000 The American Revolution was based on the idea that there are pre-existing rights.

01:01:11.000 Those rights pre-exist government.

01:01:12.000 If government were to violate those rights, it would lose its reason for being.

01:01:17.000 This suggests that the government is basically the wise teacher.

01:01:20.000 So what rights do you have that exist outside of government?

01:01:23.000 Government is the wise teacher.

01:01:24.000 Its law is just changing you.

01:01:27.000 Promoting a substantive vision of the good is, always and everywhere, the proper function of rulers.

01:01:32.000 No, promoting a substantive vision of the good is not the proper function of rulers.

01:01:36.000 Protecting people from each other is the proper function of rulers.

01:01:40.000 Promoting a vision of good is for parents.

01:01:43.000 It is for actual moral teachers.

01:01:45.000 I swear, if you look at the members of government, or the members of our judiciary for that matter, and you think, these people ought to be my wise moral teachers, I don't know who you're talking about.

01:01:53.000 I seriously don't know who you're talking about.

01:01:54.000 You're high.

01:01:55.000 There's no other way to describe that.

01:01:57.000 Given that it is legitimate for rulers to pursue the common good.

01:02:00.000 Again, you're not defining common good.

01:02:01.000 Constitutional law should elaborate subsidiary principles that make such rules efficacious.

01:02:06.000 Constitutional law must afford broad scope for rulers to promote peace, justice and abundance.

01:02:12.000 Today we may add health and safety to the list in much the same spirit.

01:02:16.000 In a globalized world that relates to the natural and biological environments in a deeply disordered way, a just state is a state that has ample authority to protect the vulnerable from the ravages of pandemics, natural disasters, from climate change, from the underlying structures of corporate power that contribute to the events.

01:02:31.000 I honestly, honest to God, don't know what is conservative about this in any way, like in any way.

01:02:37.000 Vermeule finishes, in this sense common good constitutionalism promises to expand and fulfill in new circumstances and with a new emphasis the constitution's commitments to promoting the general welfare and human dignity.

01:02:48.000 Overall, constitutionalism will become more direct, openly more moral, less tied to tangentious law office history, and endless litigation of dubious claims about events centuries in the past.

01:02:57.000 So basically, law is arbitrary, but if Adrian Vermeule agrees with it, you're good with it.

01:03:00.000 This is just Ruth Bader Ginsburg from the right.

01:03:03.000 And it's no good when it's Ruth Bader Ginsburg, because it is not intellectually or morally coherent, and it is no good From the right either.

01:03:10.000 Common good constitutionalism has nothing to do with conservatism.

01:03:14.000 It just doesn't.

01:03:15.000 Not in the traditional sense.

01:03:16.000 It's not Burkean because it does not constrain.

01:03:20.000 It is not Lockean in that it does not see any value in individual rights.

01:03:26.000 If you resonate to this just because you think the judiciary should do what it wants to do to protect your values the same way the left does, then I don't know what your principle is other than you like a bunch of things that the left doesn't.

01:03:39.000 And I may agree with you on that, but your vision of government should not be the same.

01:03:42.000 If it's just a question of which dictator controls us.

01:03:45.000 I'm not in for that.

01:03:46.000 I'm not in for that game.

01:03:47.000 And I don't think the founders would be either.

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01:04:48.000 We will examine why preachers are getting arrested while the criminals run free.

01:04:51.000 Then everyone from politicians to grocery store workers are jumping to take advantage of this pandemic.

01:04:56.000 We'll take a look at ethics in times of plague.

01:04:59.000 And finally, Joe Biden, remember him?

01:05:01.000 He launches a podcast.

01:05:02.000 And much like the entire mainstream media, he refuses to mention the MeToo allegations against him.

The Ben Shapiro Show - April 01, 2020

Models Of Doom | Ep. 984

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