The Ben Shapiro Show - Oprah For President? | Ep. 448

00:00:00.000 So, Hollywood is full of self-righteous hypocrites, Oprah takes the Golden Globes and wants to run for president, and Steve Bannon is still on the rocks with a very stable genius. 0.98

00:00:08.000 I'm Ben Shapiro. 0.97

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00:00:17.000 Okay, this weekend was terrible.

00:00:18.000 It was just terrible.

00:00:19.000 It was mostly terrible because Hollywood can't get over itself.

00:00:22.000 Watching Hollywood talk about sexual abuse and sexual harassment is like watching NFL executives talk about concussions and then pat themselves on the back for it.

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00:02:28.000 Okay, so.

00:02:29.000 I am very annoyed, always, by these Hollywood events.

00:02:33.000 These Hollywood events always annoy me, because I grew up in Hollywood.

00:02:36.000 And Hollywood is filled with the most self-righteous and yet despicable people that you will ever meet in your life.

00:02:41.000 Hollywood is filled with people who engage in sexual harassment and abuse. 0.98

00:02:43.000 In fact, Hollywood as a town was built on sexual harassment and abuse.

00:02:47.000 I don't mean that figuratively.

00:02:48.000 I mean that the, I don't mean that in an exaggerated fashion.

00:02:51.000 I mean that a huge percentage of Hollywood films, a huge percentage of Hollywood starlets got their starts on the Hollywood casting couch

00:02:58.000 Virtually every major producer in town at one time or another has thrown his power around as well as his genitals.

00:03:04.000 The idea that this is not the dominant, the predominant mode of how casting is done in Hollywood and has been done for decades, I think is a bit of a stretch. 0.67

00:03:13.000 The fact is Hollywood is pretty degenerate.

00:03:15.000 It always has been on these matters.

00:03:16.000 And there are a lot of women who are willing to engage with that, knowing the risks, knowing that they were going to come here and be sent to the casting couch. 0.99

00:03:22.000 I've showed you in the past.

00:03:24.000 We're good to go.

00:03:48.000 All of the terrible things they've done.

00:03:49.000 As I said at the top of the show, it's like watching NFL executives joke about concussions or Penn State executives joke about pedophilia.

00:03:55.000 You can't do this, OK?

00:03:56.000 Hollywood has an entire event dedicated to patting itself on the back for how much it's standing up to the sexual harassment scandal that's happening in its own industry and to which many of the people who were testifying last night were party in the first place.

00:04:09.000 We'll go through all of this, but let's start with Seth Meyers' opening monologue.

00:04:12.000 So Seth Meyers begins by slapping Hollywood, and then, of course, he has his obligatory slams against Trump.

00:04:17.000 He's too lazy to actually write any new jokes about Trump, so instead he just hijacks jokes that were told last year by Hugh Laurie, I believe it was, at the Golden Globes, about the Hollywood Foreign Press Association.

00:04:26.000 Here is Seth Meyers again, an overrated comedian who masquerades as a political thinker.

00:04:31.000 Here he is doing his opening monologue.

00:04:33.000 Good evening, ladies and remaining gentlemen.

00:04:39.000 There's a new era underway, and I can tell because it's been years since a white man was this nervous in Hollywood.

00:04:47.000 This is old. 0.80

00:04:47.000 This is lazy. 0.80

00:04:48.000 There's nothing new here.

00:04:50.000 And the idea, oh, look, we're all going to laugh now about white men being in power. 0.53

00:04:53.000 We're all going to laugh now about men being sexist.

00:04:56.000 We're all going to laugh about how men are on the run in Hollywood.

00:04:59.000 Except that half this crowd cheered Roman Polanski.

00:05:02.000 Half this crowd stood up and cheered Woody Allen when he won a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Golden Globe six years ago in 2012.

00:05:09.000 Harvey Weinstein, on this stage, was feeded as a god by Meryl Streep, who last night was talking about Me Too and Time's Up.

00:05:16.000 And it's not just Seth Meyers.

00:05:18.000 Debra Messing arrived and decided that it was time to slam E! 1.00

00:05:21.000 Channel for the so-called pay gap.

00:05:23.000 The implication being that E! 0.81

00:05:24.000 doesn't pay its female hosts enough. 1.00

00:05:26.000 Debra Messing, the multimillionaire,

00:05:28.000 Who's a terrible actress, by the way, and blocked me on Twitter. 1.00

00:05:31.000 Not because I just called her a terrible actress, but long ago.

00:05:34.000 She blocked me because, I guess, she would cancel her subscription to the New York Times after the New York Times did a profile of me that did not rip me as a racist, because I'm not.

00:05:42.000 Deborah Messing decides that now's a good time to virtue signal about the pay gap. 0.99

00:05:46.000 She wasn't the only one, by the way.

00:05:49.000 What's the name of the lady from Friday Night Light? 0.99

00:05:52.000 Connie Britton.

00:05:53.000 Right, so Connie Britton shows up last night wearing a shirt. 0.72

00:05:56.000 That says something like poverty is sexist.

00:06:00.000 It said poverty is sexist.

00:06:01.000 The shirt cost $380.

00:06:02.000 Not a joke.

00:06:04.000 $380.

00:06:04.000 And after she spilled champagne on it, then it was worth $700.

00:06:07.000 So well done, Connie Britton.

00:06:09.000 Poverty is sexist. 0.99

00:06:10.000 But she's not the only hypocrite. 1.00

00:06:11.000 Here's Debra Messing, a very, very wealthy woman for being a garbage actress on a show that was really about the gay guy and about the shrill, high-pitched woman and not about her at all. 1.00

00:06:19.000 Here is Debra Messing talking about the pay gap at E! 0.99

00:06:22.000 You know, I was so shocked to hear that E!

00:06:25.000 doesn't believe in paying their female co-hosts the same as their male co-hosts.

00:06:31.000 I mean, I miss Kat Sadler, and so we stand with her, and that's something that can change tomorrow.

00:06:39.000 So much heroism, so much strength, so much Normandy-like bravery.

00:06:45.000 My God!

00:06:46.000 Standing on the red carpet, wearing a gown worth probably several thousand dollars, talking about the pay gap that obviously is just brutal for women at E!, whose entire job consists of standing alongside men at E!, both of whom talk about celebrities all day.

00:07:01.000 Let's be real about this.

00:07:02.000 Women in the entertainment industry, in the talent side of the entertainment industry, are not getting destroyed by sexism. 1.00

00:07:08.000 Okay, they are in terms of sexual harassment and sexual assault.

00:07:10.000 That's a different issue.

00:07:10.000 But in terms of the pay gap, the idea that Natalie Portman and Jennifer Lawrence are being destroyed by sexism, or that the women at E couldn't just go to their bosses and say, listen, either pay me more or I'll leave.

00:07:20.000 Here's the thing about the free market.

00:07:23.000 If you are easily replaceable, and I'm sorry to tell you this, but women at E and men at E are probably pretty replaceable. 0.83

00:07:29.000 It doesn't seem like a particularly tough job.

00:07:31.000 Then maybe you ought to ask for a raise less often rather than more often.

00:07:34.000 I mean, you could start an e-channel, honestly, and pay everybody $30,000 a year and be staffed up the wazoo.

00:07:39.000 I mean, there are people who are beautiful working at Coffee Bean every single day who would die to work for $35,000.

00:07:43.000 I don't know what Coffee Bean pays.

00:07:45.000 Maybe it's more than that.

00:07:46.000 But there are people who would die to be working on E!

00:07:48.000 and be on TV every day for $35,000.

00:07:49.000 In any case, there's Debra Messing complaining about that. 1.00

00:07:52.000 Mary J. Blige comes out and she says, you know, in the new Me Too moment, I will kill you if you touch me. 0.85

00:07:57.000 But there's something that she doesn't say, which kind of bothers me here. 0.89

00:07:59.000 Here's Mary J. Blige.

00:08:00.000 Oh, I've had the fight since I was five years old.

00:08:02.000 I haven't had anybody approach me like that since I've been in the music business.

00:08:07.000 But ever since from five to 17, I've been going through hell with sexual harassment.

00:08:12.000 So, you know, by the time I got to the music business, it was like, don't touch me. 1.00

00:08:15.000 Oh, I'll kill you. 0.92

00:08:18.000 Okay, so first of all, that's great that she had that attitude. 1.00

00:08:21.000 It's horrible what happened to her as a child.

00:08:22.000 I would like to hear her name the names of the guys who tried to touch her in the music industry.

00:08:26.000 This is the one thing that was so shocking about last night.

00:08:28.000 You watch all of this, and what you see over and over and over is that nobody's willing to name any names.

00:08:34.000 They're just willing to talk about broad problems, broad American sexism, broad sexual harassment.

00:08:39.000 But no one's willing to name any names, which means all these guys get away with it.

00:08:42.000 And half of them are in the room.

00:08:43.000 Half of them are in the room.

00:08:44.000 Natalie Portman, I thought, was the most egregious offender last night, just in terms of being obnoxiously smug. 1.00

00:08:49.000 She gets up and they're talking about the all-male directors who are nominated.

00:08:52.000 Which women should have been nominated last year that I missed? 1.00

00:08:54.000 Like Patty Jenkins for Wonder Woman? 0.99

00:08:55.000 Who should have been nominated exactly?

00:08:57.000 In any case, here's Natalie Portman suggesting and whining about all-male directors.

00:09:02.000 We are honored to be here to present the award for Best Director.

00:09:09.000 And here are the all-male nominees. 0.74

00:09:14.000 Oh, burn! 1.00

00:09:15.000 Burn, mitches! 1.00

00:09:17.000 Okay, we're like, what in the world? 0.93

00:09:19.000 Like, oh my God.

00:09:20.000 What bravery.

00:09:21.000 Stunning, stunning bravery.

00:09:23.000 Natalie Portman, worth millions and millions of dollars for being not a very good actress.

00:09:26.000 Yay, Natalie Portman.

00:09:28.000 Oh man, she struck back against the patriarchy that time.

00:09:30.000 Boom! 0.99

00:09:31.000 Roasted! 0.96

00:09:33.000 Oh, Hollywood is so smug and so irritating.

00:09:35.000 I mean, I'm famous for being smug, and they outclass me by orders of magnitude.

00:09:38.000 Okay, so, before I go any further, and we'll talk about Oprah, because I have many a thing to say about Oprah Winfrey and her presidential runs.

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00:11:13.000 All right, so all of this was prelude to the big story of the evening.

00:11:18.000 The big story of the evening was Oprah Winfrey.

00:11:20.000 Oh, Oprah.

00:11:22.000 So stunning.

00:11:23.000 So brave.

00:11:23.000 Such stunning bravery.

00:11:24.000 Such brave ex-stunnery.

00:11:27.000 It's just, it's so, so much bravery.

00:11:30.000 I can't even take it.

00:11:31.000 I just can't take it.

00:11:32.000 In fact, it was so brave that everybody lost their mind.

00:11:35.000 NBC tweeted that Oprah would be our future president.

00:11:38.000 Yes, really, the network, NBC, they tweeted nothing but respect for our future president.

00:11:42.000 Hashtag Golden Globes.

00:11:43.000 R, capital O-U-R. 1.00

00:11:45.000 Amazing.

00:11:46.000 Just amazing.

00:11:47.000 Your future president is going to be a lady who is extraordinarily rich, very good at connecting with audiences, and who is famous for vacillating in her weight for years and years. 1.00

00:11:57.000 That's just great.

00:11:58.000 I mean, honestly, we don't get to complain about reality TV stars and self-made billionaires being presidents of the United States, because the president of the United States is those things, right?

00:12:05.000 And then brags about them on Twitter.

00:12:07.000 Don't worry, we'll get to that in a little bit.

00:12:09.000 She was just so incredible last night. 0.82

00:12:11.000 She got up there and she finally spoke truth to power. 0.73

00:12:13.000 Sure, there are tons of pictures of her kissing Harvey Weinstein.

00:12:16.000 Sure, there's an actress who back in November alleged that she fell into Harvey Weinstein's trap because she saw Oprah hanging out with Harvey and figured Harvey must be a good guy.

00:12:24.000 Sure, Oprah Winfrey existed in this town for 30 years, making oodles of cash, becoming the most powerful woman in media, the queen of all media, and never had one word to say about sexual harassment and assault in Hollywood.

00:12:35.000 Sure, all of that's true, but the bravery, the stunningness, the stunningness McBravery, ah!

00:12:41.000 Just shocking.

00:12:43.000 Just stunning.

00:12:44.000 Reese Witherspoon tweeted out, in the midst of all of this, that Oprah Winfrey, that she was now going to date time differently, she tweeted, quote,

00:12:57.000 My God, it's just like Jesus.

00:12:59.000 It'll be B.O.

00:13:00.000 and A.O.

00:13:01.000 Before Oprah and after Oprah.

00:13:04.000 Just incredible.

00:13:05.000 Things have changed.

00:13:06.000 Can't you feel the change in the air?

00:13:08.000 Can't you feel all the men backing away from the sexual harassment and abuse because Oprah Winfrey got up and said some vague words?

00:13:13.000 I do.

00:13:14.000 I feel like everything changed last night.

00:13:15.000 Now, to be fair, Oprah's really good at this, right?

00:13:18.000 Oprah's actually a very good speaker. 1.00

00:13:19.000 She's very talented.

00:13:20.000 She's quite a good actress. 0.99

00:13:21.000 She's very good at connecting with audiences.

00:13:23.000 We've known all this for years.

00:13:24.000 She gets up.

00:13:25.000 Chris Chaliza at CNN said, you could have heard her giving this speech in Iowa.

00:13:28.000 You can almost imagine her running for president. 1.00

00:13:32.000 Have we learned nothing, people?

00:13:33.000 Nothing!

00:13:34.000 The entire media that suggests that inexperience is bad, that we don't need somebody with no policy, that we don't need somebody who doesn't know what the hell they're doing at the head of government.

00:13:41.000 And they're like, you know what we need?

00:13:42.000 Oprah.

00:13:44.000 Yeah, solid move.

00:13:45.000 Okay, so she gives this speech, and everyone is just over the moon about this speech.

00:13:50.000 It's just great.

00:13:50.000 She gets up there and she finally says enough.

00:13:53.000 She, Oprah, the queen of all media, finally says enough is enough.

00:13:57.000 Now, do I think that's anything special?

00:13:58.000 No, because I was under the impression that we all felt this way, right?

00:14:00.000 I mean, everybody showed up to the Golden Globes last night wearing black.

00:14:04.000 There's a classier Golden Globes than we've had in years.

00:14:07.000 It wasn't people dressed like Lady Gaga breaking out of an egg at the Golden Globes red carpet.

00:14:11.000 Everybody just looked like it was the 1950s and they were wearing black dresses.

00:14:14.000 Actually, everybody kind of looked classy.

00:14:16.000 Maybe this should be the going rule there from now on.

00:14:18.000 But, you know,

00:14:19.000 We're good to go.

00:14:39.000 whether Oprah could actually win when she runs for president.

00:14:41.000 But first, I want to go through the speech because it's been treated as just grand and glorious because she finally stood up for all the victimized women throughout history and over time.

00:14:50.000 Oprah Winfrey, so stunning, so brave.

00:14:53.000 There are a few problems.

00:14:55.000 She starts off by talking about how she is exactly the same as Sidney Poitier in 1964, right?

00:15:00.000 Sidney Poitier won a Golden Globe, I guess, in 1964.

00:15:04.000 And she said she watched it on TV, or he won an Oscar, I guess, in 1964, maybe, for In the Heat of the Night.

00:15:10.000 In any case, she says this.

00:15:15.000 Just clip one. 0.87

00:15:17.000 In 1982, Sidney received the Cecil B. DeMille Award right here at the Golden Globes, and it is not lost on me that at this moment, there are some little girls watching.

00:15:30.000 As I become the first black woman to be given this same award.

00:15:36.000 Name them.

00:15:38.000 Name them.

00:15:39.000 Seriously, name the lives of the little black girls whose lives were changed because they saw Oprah Winfrey win this award.

00:15:44.000 Not by Oprah Winfrey making $3 billion over the course of her career.

00:15:47.000 Not by Oprah Winfrey becoming the most powerful woman in media over the past 30 years.

00:15:51.000 Not by Michelle Obama being First Lady, or Susan Rice being National Security Advisor, or Loretta Lynch being Attorney General, or Condoleezza Rice being Secretary of State.

00:15:58.000 Not by any of those things.

00:16:00.000 Right, not by any of these famous black women being in positions of power for years. 1.00

00:16:04.000 Not by the fact that the music industry is dominated by powerful black women. 1.00

00:16:08.000 Not by Beyonce.

00:16:09.000 Not by the fact that the entertainment industry is dominated by beautiful black women and powerful black women. 1.00

00:16:15.000 Not by the fact that black women dominate sports, not by Venus Williams or Serena Williams, not by any of those people. 0.62

00:16:20.000 It was Oprah winning a Golden Globe last night that changed everything, people.

00:16:24.000 It changed everything.

00:16:25.000 And let me tell you, black girls who are watching TV today, they are in exactly the same situation as she was in 1964, watching Sidney Poitier in his white tie and black skin, this is her words, get up and say what he says at the Oscars or at the Golden Globes.

00:16:39.000 Right?

00:16:39.000 It's exactly the same.

00:16:41.000 Is 64 2018 exactly the same?

00:16:45.000 Now, I hate this kind of virtue signaling.

00:16:46.000 I really do.

00:16:47.000 Because 2018, to pretend this is exactly the same, is not remotely true. 1.00

00:16:50.000 It's stupid. 1.00

00:16:50.000 It's overblown. 1.00

00:16:51.000 And to pretend this is some sort of groundbreaking moment is just sheer crappery.

00:16:55.000 It's just nonsense. 1.00

00:16:56.000 It's just stupidity. 1.00

00:16:58.000 Okay, but she didn't stop there, right, in her effort to garner support for her 2020 run. 1.00

00:17:02.000 Then she thanked the Hollywood Foreign Press.

00:17:04.000 And I love this still frame of Barbra Streisand, I think is pretty fitting, actually.

00:17:08.000 So we may just leave that.

00:17:10.000 But there is Barbra Streisand with, I guess, is that James Brolin?

00:17:14.000 I'm not sure who that guy is.

00:17:16.000 Maybe not James Brolin?

00:17:17.000 No.

00:17:17.000 Okay, in any case, here is Oprah Winfrey talking about the Hollywood Foreign Press and the power of the press, how special the press is.

00:17:24.000 They are so special people.

00:17:25.000 Let Oprah tell you about it.

00:17:38.000 Yes.

00:17:39.000 Just yes.

00:17:40.000 And the people nodding.

00:17:42.000 And the people cheering.

00:17:43.000 Yes, the press!

00:17:44.000 Oh! 0.60

00:17:45.000 OK, let me explain to you something about the Hollywood Foreign Press Association.

00:17:48.000 The Hollywood Foreign Press Association is 90 international reporters.

00:17:50.000 You know what they do all day?

00:17:51.000 They report on Hollywood.

00:17:52.000 This is what they do.

00:17:53.000 This is what the Hollywood Foreign Press Association is.

00:17:55.000 You know what might have been a good story about Hollywood?

00:17:58.000 You know, for like the past...

00:18:00.000 80 years?

00:18:01.000 At any time in here?

00:18:02.000 You know what would have been a good story for them to report on?

00:18:04.000 The rampant sexual abuse and harassment that took place in Hollywood for decades by the most powerful men in the business.

00:18:11.000 That might have been a good thing.

00:18:12.000 Did they speak truth to power?

00:18:14.000 Did they uncover the secrets and the lies and the victims and the tyrants?

00:18:18.000 Did they do that?

00:18:19.000 She wants to thank the Hollywood Foreign Press for speaking up for truth.

00:18:24.000 Good job, guys.

00:18:25.000 You were just brilliant.

00:18:26.000 You're just fantastic.

00:18:27.000 Wonderful job.

00:18:28.000 I am so impressed.

00:18:29.000 Legitimately, the only members of the press who did anything about the rampant Hollywood abuse were people like Ronan Farrow.

00:18:36.000 People over at the New Yorker did some great work on this.

00:18:38.000 But the Hollywood Foreign Press Association did nothing, right? 0.98

00:18:40.000 I mean, the idea that they're being feeded as some sort of great truth-tellers in a world of lies is just ridiculous.

00:18:45.000 Also, I will acknowledge that the entire left focus on the power of the media and the power of the press, aside from when they can rip on the Catholic Church like they praise the press for going after the Catholic Church for its sex abuse scandals, I don't remember them being quite so over the moon about the power and necessary wonder of the press during the Obama administration.

00:19:04.000 Now we get movies like The Post, which, I gotta say, I have no desire to see this movie because if the trailer is that tendentious and obnoxious, I cannot imagine that the movie is going to be any better than that.

00:19:15.000 I mean, it is the most obnoxious trailer in human history.

00:19:18.000 Meryl Streep, oh, oh, you just watch me as I take on all the brutal men in the government

00:19:23.000 And Tom Hanks rubbing her shoulders while she does that.

00:19:25.000 It just looks like a terrible movie.

00:19:27.000 I'll have to watch it and tell you how terrible, because now I've committed myself.

00:19:30.000 In any case, that wasn't the end of Oprah Winfrey and her glorious, grand, bravery-ridden speech.

00:19:36.000 Here she is.

00:19:36.000 She talks about speaking your truth.

00:19:39.000 My least favorite phrase in all of human history.

00:19:41.000 Speaking your truth.

00:19:42.000 Here we go.

00:19:43.000 What I know for sure is that speaking your truth is the most powerful tool we all have.

00:19:52.000 And I'm especially proud and inspired by all the women who have felt strong enough and empowered enough to speak up and share their personal stories.

00:20:02.000 Not a shot of Meryl Streep!

00:20:03.000 OK, Oprah's great at this, and I'm sure she's really emotional about this.

00:20:07.000 Let's put it this way.

00:20:08.000 Because I'm not Captain Emotion, I always get suspicious of emotion on cue.

00:20:12.000 But I'm sure she's really emotional about this.

00:20:13.000 She had a really rough childhood, did Oprah Winfrey.

00:20:15.000 I'm sure that her mother endured a lot of stuff.

00:20:17.000 All that said, that phrase, speaking your truth, is so obnoxious.

00:20:20.000 And then say, speak your truth and have a shot of Meryl Streep.

00:20:23.000 Meryl Streep, like Harvey Weinstein is a god, Meryl Streep.

00:20:26.000 That's how the press treat this?

00:20:27.000 Okay, there's no such thing as your truth.

00:20:30.000 I've said this a thousand times.

00:20:31.000 There's no such thing as your truth.

00:20:32.000 There is the truth and your opinion.

00:20:33.000 And when you say speaking your truth, that requires evidence.

00:20:37.000 Okay?

00:20:38.000 Evidence would be a good thing.

00:20:38.000 Now, I believe women who make these allegations as a general rule.

00:20:43.000 I do, but I have to weigh the evidence.

00:20:44.000 I have to weigh how credible the women are.

00:20:46.000 I have to weigh whether there are repeat accusations.

00:20:48.000 I have to review the nature of the man.

00:20:50.000 I actually have to look at the evidence on all of these accusations. 0.96

00:20:53.000 But this phrase, speaking your truth, needs to die, and needs to die slowly and horribly in the torture chamber used in The Princess Bride for Wesley. 1.00

00:21:00.000 Okay, it needs to die. 1.00

00:21:01.000 That phrase, speaking your truth, is just garbage. 1.00

00:21:03.000 Even people on the left are recognizing that it undermines their argument to say that. 0.99

00:21:07.000 Okay, but that's not the end of Oprah's, Oprah's silly, okay?

00:21:11.000 There's, and again, there's a lot in this speech to like. 0.94

00:21:13.000 There is, I mean, like, sexual harassment's bad.

00:21:16.000 Right, I'm on the side of that.

00:21:18.000 If I've not been clear about that, I've been saying this four months.

00:21:21.000 Okay, and for years, and for decades, like literally my entire career.

00:21:24.000 But, I'm going to get to what I think was the worst injustice that she did last night, Oprah Winfrey, in this speech, in just a second.

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00:22:56.000 Okay, so, concluding.

00:22:58.000 Oprah Winfrey's masterful, stunningly McBrave speech.

00:23:01.000 I'm just going to keep using those words over and over because that's what the media does.

00:23:04.000 I mean, if I read you the headlines on Oprah, now I'm going to be forced to read you the headlines on Oprah, okay?

00:23:08.000 I'm just going, like, right now, in real time, to Google News.

00:23:12.000 Oprah knew exactly what she was doing on Sunday night, CNN.

00:23:15.000 HuffPo, Oprah and Stedman hint she's open to presidential run.

00:23:18.000 Sources, Oprah Winfrey actively thinking about running for president.

00:23:22.000 Golden Globes 2018, how Oprah saved the night.

00:23:26.000 Oprah 2020, Golden Globes host Seth Meyers jokes it may be in the cards.

00:23:30.000 Oprah Winfrey triumphs at black draped Golden Globes.

00:23:34.000 I mean, just, eh.

00:23:36.000 Oprah speaks out to young girls in Cecil B. DeMille award speech.

00:23:40.000 Just so much heroism.

00:23:41.000 So much heroism speaking in a room full of other rich people who all are forced to agree with her by the news cycle.

00:23:48.000 About everything.

00:23:49.000 Because if they don't, then we'll all accuse them of sexual abuse or being complicit in it.

00:23:52.000 I mean, the thing about speaking truth to power is that it would be good to do that when there's actual risk involved.

00:23:57.000 She was the most powerful person in the media for the last 20 years. 0.57

00:24:01.000 She did not say a thing about this happening in Hollywood.

00:24:04.000 A thing.

00:24:04.000 And now she's being used as the point person on this?

00:24:08.000 She's the queen of bravery?

00:24:09.000 It's like Roger Goodell saying he's taking the lead on concussions.

00:24:11.000 I keep using that because it's the best example I can think of.

00:24:13.000 It's like the president of Penn State saying he's taking the lead on child sexual abuse.

00:24:18.000 You can't do that. 0.99

00:24:19.000 It's just ridiculous. 1.00

00:24:21.000 It's hypocritical and ridiculous. 1.00

00:24:22.000 And again, I agree with everything she's saying. 0.99

00:24:24.000 I agree.

00:24:25.000 But where was she six months ago? 0.63

00:24:29.000 Not even that long ago.

00:24:30.000 This is the part that really dragged me up a wall.

00:24:32.000 So she actually compares women who are being victimized in Hollywood to a woman who was raped by six men, six white men in 1944. 0.54

00:24:41.000 A black woman raped in Alabama and the guys were not prosecuted for it.

00:24:44.000 Here she is talking about it. 0.93

00:24:46.000 In 1944, Recy Taylor was a young wife and a mother.

00:24:52.000 She was just walking home from a church service she'd attended in Abbeville, Alabama, when she was abducted by six armed white men, raped and left blindfolded by the side of the road.

00:25:04.000 For too long, women have not been heard or believed if they dared to speak their truth to the power of those men.

00:25:14.000 But their time is up.

00:25:18.000 Oh, so much emotional.

00:25:20.000 Lecture us, Hollywood.

00:25:20.000 Lecture us on this.

00:25:22.000 Right?

00:25:22.000 Lecture us.

00:25:23.000 Because it's not like you are the scandal.

00:25:26.000 Yeah, you lecture me, Oprah.

00:25:27.000 Yeah, you lecture me.

00:25:28.000 I wasn't the one who was whining and dining with, you know, Harvey Weinstein five seconds ago.

00:25:33.000 The hypocrisy of it just drives me up a wall.

00:25:35.000 Listen, I'm glad that Hollywood is finally owning up to the issue.

00:25:37.000 Do I think there's going to be any material change in Hollywood, by the way?

00:25:40.000 No.

00:25:40.000 I think it's all going to die down in six months and things will go back right to what they were before because no one's naming names.

00:25:45.000 Does Oprah have a Rolodex? 0.91

00:25:46.000 She knows all these guys.

00:25:47.000 She got anything to say about any of them?

00:25:49.000 A name?

00:25:50.000 One?

00:25:50.000 How about that?

00:25:52.000 And the part that drives me up a wall here is the implication that America in 1944 is the same as America in 2018 with regard to allegations of rape, particularly cross-racial rape. 0.98

00:26:04.000 If a group of white men raped a black woman, not only would it be front page story across the nation, the president would sound off, every person in America would be calling for those guys to be strung up. 0.88

00:26:13.000 How do I know? 0.99

00:26:14.000 Because it was a national scandal when Al Sharpton claimed that Tawana Bradley falsely was raped by a bunch of white men. 0.77

00:26:19.000 It was a national scandal when the Duke Lacrosse guys were falsely accused to have raped Crystal Mangum, who was a black stripper in Duke. 0.94

00:26:26.000 And when that actually happened, we want those guys to go away forever.

00:26:31.000 To pretend that society now and society then are in any way similar, and that the Me Too movement is what changed that?

00:26:36.000 Guess what?

00:26:37.000 The Me Too movement didn't change that.

00:26:38.000 Everyone was against rape.

00:26:40.000 Everyone is still against rape.

00:26:42.000 We were against rape.

00:26:42.000 We are against rape.

00:26:43.000 We will be against rape for my entire lifetime. 0.58

00:26:46.000 And this pretend nonsense

00:26:48.000 That 1944 is the same as now or that it requires the same kind of bravery?

00:26:51.000 No one should compare Recy Taylor to Oprah Winfrey.

00:26:55.000 Nobody should be comparing Rosa Parks to Meryl Streep. 0.90

00:26:59.000 If you are, you're out of your mind. 0.98

00:27:00.000 You're out of your mind.

00:27:01.000 And to compare America circa Alabama circa 1944 with America circa 2018. 0.99

00:27:08.000 In Hollywood, the repository of all the sexual abuse is just vomitricious. 0.99

00:27:12.000 It's just a bag of vomit. 0.98

00:27:14.000 OK, now, there's a lot of talk about Oprah should run for president off the base of this.

00:27:18.000 Because again, what courage.

00:27:21.000 What unbelievable courage.

00:27:22.000 By the way, I did note this last night and a bunch of people got mad at me for saying so.

00:27:26.000 How many times has Iran mentioned last night?

00:27:28.000 Waiting?

00:27:29.000 I didn't see it mentioned once.

00:27:30.000 Did anybody else?

00:27:31.000 I didn't watch the whole program because I'd rather have gouged out my eyes with a spork.

00:27:35.000 But if you actually were watching this thing, was Iran mentioned?

00:27:38.000 I like when she says, we side with women all over the world. 1.00

00:27:41.000 That would have been a good time to talk about maybe places around the world where women are being routinely victimized. 0.87

00:27:47.000 Not just in the United States.

00:27:48.000 And Oprah, by the way, cares about things happening around the world.

00:27:51.000 She founded a school for girls in South Africa, right?

00:27:53.000 She actually cares about stuff happening outside the United States.

00:27:55.000 Wouldn't now have been a good time in that speech to say, not just women here, but women in Iran, and women in Saudi Arabia, and women in Egypt, and women in, right?

00:28:03.000 Couldn't she have just listed those off in the middle of it?

00:28:05.000 But no, because Hollywood is deeply invested in Hollywood itself, and they have to show that they're leading the fight against themselves, which of course is not true at all.

00:28:13.000 Okay, so would Oprah Winfrey win a presidential election? 0.99

00:28:16.000 Number one, the person hardest hit last night is Joe Biden, because Oprah Winfrey would win the primaries.

00:28:21.000 Oprah Winfrey would obviously win the primaries, right? 0.98

00:28:23.000 Joe Biden would get shellacked by Oprah Winfrey, not just because Oprah Winfrey is black, but because Oprah Winfrey is deeply talented, and she spent 30 years building up a stock of goodwill with the American people, and particularly with women.

00:28:35.000 So let's talk more about the general election, because I think that if Oprah ran, she would almost assuredly win the Democratic primary nomination process. 0.91

00:28:43.000 Could she beat Donald Trump?

00:28:44.000 So, here's what she's got going for her.

00:28:45.000 There are about five arguments in favor and five arguments against.

00:28:48.000 First, she's the most famous woman in the history of mankind.

00:28:51.000 That's not really an exaggeration.

00:28:52.000 She's the most famous woman in media. 1.00

00:28:54.000 This is a time when people have access to information about other people at a rate never before known by man.

00:29:01.000 She's the most famous person ever.

00:29:02.000 Right?

00:29:02.000 She's so famous that Donald Trump has spent years praising her.

00:29:04.000 In April 2012, quote, Oprah will end up doing just fine with her network.

00:29:08.000 She knows how to win. 0.99

00:29:09.000 May 2014, the greatest discovery of all time is that a person can change his future by merely changing his attitude.

00:29:14.000 Oprah Winfrey.

00:29:16.000 Right?

00:29:16.000 So he, so, so, you know, there are a bunch of arguments here.

00:29:21.000 In favor of Oprah.

00:29:22.000 She's a uniter, not a divider.

00:29:23.000 Her whole brand is, I bring people together.

00:29:25.000 I unite people.

00:29:26.000 I make people happy.

00:29:28.000 She's the warm and fuzzy, whereas Trump's whole brand is firing people and acting tough.

00:29:33.000 There would never be a bigger gender gap than Oprah versus Trump. 0.99

00:29:36.000 The gender gap would be enormous. 0.99

00:29:37.000 It would be like 90-10 for women for Oprah and 90-10 for men for Trump. 0.99

00:29:41.000 It would be an enormous, enormous gender gap. 1.00

00:29:44.000 And it goes on here.

00:29:46.000 I'm going to continue in just a second.

00:29:49.000 Talking about what exactly her qualifications for office are. 0.72

00:29:53.000 Her other qualifications here, third qualification, she has a terrific personal story.

00:29:58.000 Her personal story is really good.

00:29:59.000 Unlike Trump, who grew up super duper wealthy and then became super duper more wealthy, largely through branding power, she was born legitimately dirt poor in Mississippi to a single mom, raised in inner city Milwaukee, molested as a child, pregnant at 14. 0.82

00:30:12.000 She apparently miscarried.

00:30:13.000 She got into radio at 19 and made herself worth $3 billion.

00:30:17.000 And so her personal story is terrific.

00:30:19.000 She definitely checks the left's intersectionality boxes.

00:30:21.000 So she gets to say woman, black over and over, and that's what the left wants. 0.71

00:30:24.000 And the DNC yesterday tweeted out what would qualify women for office. 1.00

00:30:28.000 What would qualify a woman for, what would qualify, sorry, what would qualify someone for office? 1.00

00:30:31.000 Said, we need to elect more. 0.85

00:30:33.000 And then it's had a whole list.

00:30:34.000 Jewish women, Asian women, black women, lesbians, and just all, transgender women, like a whole list and said, we need more women. 1.00

00:30:41.000 So when it comes to the left view of what qualifies a person for office, Oprah's high on the list, right?

00:30:45.000 Black and woman.

00:30:47.000 She also has crossover appeal in a way that, for example, Hillary Clinton didn't, right? 1.00

00:30:51.000 Hillary was a woman, but other women didn't like her. 1.00

00:30:54.000 Oprah's a woman that other women really like a lot. 0.98

00:30:56.000 She polls well also, by the way.

00:30:59.000 As of March 2017, she had a 49-33 favorable rating.

00:31:02.000 Honestly, I'm shocked that her favorable rating is that low.

00:31:04.000 I would think it would be closer in the 50s.

00:31:06.000 She led Trump, and actually polled her against Trump, and she leads Trump right now 47-40 in the polls, which is not a blowout, by the way.

00:31:14.000 That's more like Hillary Clinton numbers than anything else.

00:31:16.000 So here are the drawbacks.

00:31:17.000 Here's why Oprah would probably not win if she ran. 1.00

00:31:19.000 One, she's wildly inexperienced.

00:31:21.000 Now, that doesn't hold a lot of stock anymore.

00:31:24.000 In the last two presidents who've had no experience, basically, entering high office.

00:31:28.000 Donald Trump had legitimately no experience entering high office.

00:31:31.000 Oprah's run her own business in the way Trump has. 0.86

00:31:32.000 It's going to be hard for him to say you have no experience when he had no experience.

00:31:36.000 She is far left.

00:31:37.000 Her politics will become an issue here. 1.00

00:31:38.000 Now, she wants to run as great uniter. 1.00

00:31:40.000 I'm the person who everybody agrees is emotionally connected.

00:31:44.000 That doesn't hold once you start running.

00:31:45.000 Once you start running, you become a polarizing political figure pretty quickly, and she is pretty far to the left. 1.00

00:31:50.000 She endorsed Obama in the 2008 primaries.

00:31:52.000 It probably helped him win the primaries over Hillary Clinton. 0.95

00:31:55.000 She traveled to Denmark in 2009 and openly praised socialism.

00:31:58.000 She's compared Trayvon Martin to Emmett Till, which is, again, just insane.

00:32:02.000 She's a pro-choice advocate.

00:32:04.000 She's made statements in the past like there have been millions of lynchings in the United States, which of course isn't true.

00:32:09.000 About 4,000 lynchings as far as I'm aware, which of course is terrible.

00:32:12.000 But then she has suggested a connection between the time of lynchings and now, by comparing Emmett Till to Trayvon Martin.

00:32:19.000 Nobody thinks of Oprah as political, but those politics will jump to the floor pretty quickly as soon as she starts running. 1.00

00:32:24.000 She also is kind of kooky. 1.00

00:32:26.000 I mean, people say that Trump is a conspiracy theorist. 0.94

00:32:28.000 Oprah's kind of a kook. 1.00

00:32:30.000 I mean, I know everybody wants to bury that, but aside from her various weight loss theories, she hosted Jenny McCarthy on vaccines numerous times. 0.99

00:32:36.000 She pushed, if you recall, the New Age silliness of the secret, which was this idea that through the power of positive thinking, you could heal yourself.

00:32:42.000 And then it became a national scandal when one woman who had cancer said, I'm gonna use the power of positive thinking to heal my cancer.

00:32:49.000 It did not work.

00:32:50.000 It was a fail.

00:32:51.000 Right, she went out and defended the fraudster James Fray, as you recall.

00:32:55.000 There was a major scandal for her. 0.98

00:32:56.000 She pushed nonsense about the meat industry.

00:32:58.000 They had the meat industry actually suing her. 0.80

00:33:00.000 So, you know, look, Trump is a conspiracy theorist, too, in a lot of ways, but the difference is that Trump is already so filled with mud, right?

00:33:07.000 He's covered with mud. 0.99

00:33:08.000 He's a mud monster. 1.00

00:33:09.000 Throwing more mud on Trump doesn't do him any damage. 0.98

00:33:11.000 Oprah's considered this sort of angelic character, and that means that if you throw mud at an angel, the spots are more likely to show on the dress. 0.88

00:33:19.000 Right, so there are also scandals that are going to hit her as well. 0.92

00:33:22.000 So every person has scandals in their past.

00:33:23.000 Oprah has some pretty bad ones.

00:33:25.000 The worst one was in 2009, her school that she runs in Johannesburg, South Africa, the Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy School for Girls, it was hit with a sex scandal, a sexual abuse scandal, actually two of them in two years.

00:33:36.000 So in 2009, there was a series of students who were sexually abused by other students.

00:33:40.000 The year before, there was a matron who allegedly sexually abused 15 girls. 0.99

00:33:45.000 Right.

00:33:45.000 She actually fought back by firing the headmistress and all the matrons and giving the girls her cell phone number.

00:33:49.000 But there will be digging into how much did she know?

00:33:52.000 Was she fully aware of it at the time?

00:33:54.000 The story sort of went away because she took the right measures.

00:33:57.000 But scandals hurt everyone.

00:33:58.000 If they hurt Mitt Romney, they certainly hurt Oprah Winfrey.

00:34:00.000 Finally,

00:34:02.000 Oprah versus Trump.

00:34:03.000 Oprah would end up schoolmarming Trump a lot. 1.00

00:34:05.000 She'd end up doing a lot of what Hillary Clinton did. 1.00

00:34:07.000 She'd end up standing there, tutting him for his baseness and his cruelty.

00:34:11.000 It didn't work well for Hillary. 1.00

00:34:13.000 Now, Oprah doing it might be more successful, but I'm not sure schoolmarming works against Trump in any case.

00:34:18.000 So, before everybody gets over the moon about Hillary for president, I think there's some real holes in that particular theory.

00:34:24.000 I also think that the Democrats are probably going to nominate somebody who's more akin to Joe Biden.

00:34:29.000 Meanwhile, putting aside the Golden Globes, now, let's talk about President Trump's tweets.

00:34:33.000 So, over the weekend, President Trump had a lot to say about this book, right?

00:34:38.000 So, over the weekend, there's a lot to say for President Trump about this Michael Wolff book, Fire and Fury.

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00:36:34.000 Alrighty, so the big controversy over the weekend is that the Michael Wolff book about Donald Trump was making the rounds. 0.98

00:36:40.000 The reason it was making the rounds, the new case against Trump is not that he's a Russian colluder, it's that he's a nutjob. 0.97

00:36:45.000 Now, let's be frank about this. 0.99

00:36:47.000 This has been a case against Trump for at least several years, that Donald Trump is not the most mentally stable human.

00:36:52.000 And if you follow his Twitter feed, I'm not gonna lie to you, he doesn't look like he is emotionally centered, shall we put it that way.

00:36:59.000 He's not exactly a practitioner of the art of the Tao,

00:37:03.000 He's not somebody with a Buddhist sense of passivity.

00:37:07.000 Donald Trump is a guy who sounds off a lot, and he's very volatile, and everybody knows this. 0.99

00:37:10.000 And there's a lot of talk in this Michael Wolff book about how Trump is actually a crazy person, how he's actually mentally unstable. 0.65

00:37:16.000 Well, Trump decided to fight back against this in the most stable possible way. 0.68

00:37:19.000 He went on Twitter and mouthed off about it.

00:37:21.000 Here's what he said, quote,

00:37:23.000 Now that Russian collusion, after one year of intense study, has proven to be a total hoax on the American public, the Democrats and their lapdogs, the fake news mainstream media, are taking out the old Ronald Reagan playbook and screaming, mental stability and intelligence.

00:37:37.000 And he continues, along these lines, he says, actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.

00:37:47.000 The like is actually in there, I'm not making that up.

00:37:48.000 It says, being, like, really smart.

00:37:52.000 Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard, and as everyone knows, went down in flames. 1.00

00:37:56.000 I went from a very successful businessman to top TV star.

00:38:01.000 And then he continues, to President of the United States, in parentheses, on my first try.

00:38:06.000 Technically not his first try.

00:38:07.000 He ran for the Reform Party nomination, I believe, in 2000.

00:38:10.000 He said, I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius, and a very stable genius at that.

00:38:17.000 Okay, a few comments on this.

00:38:18.000 If you are trying to demonstrate that you are a very stable genius, you should not tweet like this.

00:38:22.000 You should not.

00:38:23.000 The funniest thing I saw about this was that somebody tweeted out a picture of Mr. Ed with the caption, stable genius.

00:38:29.000 I like puns.

00:38:30.000 Solid, solid work.

00:38:31.000 But here's the problem.

00:38:33.000 If you want to show that you're smart and you deserve respect, you should not go full Fredo in Godfather 2 and demand respect.

00:38:39.000 I can handle things!

00:38:42.000 I'm smart!

00:38:44.000 I'm like everybody says!

00:38:46.000 I don't!

00:38:46.000 I'm smart and I want respect!

00:38:51.000 Yeah, and that's sort of everybody's reaction, right?

00:38:53.000 Michael's reaction there is pretty much the reaction shot for everybody after Trump tweets all of that.

00:38:57.000 Now, you can talk about whether you think he's stable.

00:38:59.000 You can talk about whether you think he's qualified to be president.

00:39:01.000 You can talk about all the good things that have happened under Trump.

00:39:04.000 And I agree with all the good things that have happened under Trump.

00:39:06.000 I've been—if I've not been clear about that, I really like the last eight weeks of policy particularly, but

00:39:11.000 If you want to show that you are actually a very stable genius, do not channel Fredo.

00:39:16.000 It's just not a bright thing to do.

00:39:18.000 Like, advice to President Trump, please, for the love of God, put down the phone.

00:39:21.000 Just put it down.

00:39:23.000 You know what would convey that you're a very stable genius?

00:39:26.000 Putting down the phone.

00:39:28.000 Putting it down.

00:39:29.000 Like now.

00:39:29.000 Put it down.

00:39:30.000 I feel like I'm talking to my year-and-a-half-year-old son.

00:39:34.000 Put down the pone.

00:39:35.000 Right, he calls it a pone.

00:39:36.000 Put down the pone.

00:39:37.000 Okay, just stop.

00:39:40.000 When he does this, it is not helpful.

00:39:42.000 The reason that it's particularly unhelpful is because, right now, he's trying to fight back all of these allegations, and not just that.

00:39:47.000 You know, there are a lot of people on my side of the aisle, on the conservative side, who will say, listen, who cares how he acts?

00:39:52.000 All that cares is what gets done.

00:39:53.000 The reason people are considering Oprah Winfrey for president is because of how she acts, not because of what they think she's going to get done. 0.73

00:40:00.000 The reality is, what we perceive the presidential election to be, who we perceive the president to be, is what Trump, what Trump evidences in his tweets, not what he does in his policy.

00:40:09.000 We can justify his presidency to ourselves by talking about all the things he does in policy.

00:40:13.000 And that's great.

00:40:14.000 That's how I see the presidency in my dreams, right?

00:40:16.000 The presidency should be about the policies that you promulgate.

00:40:19.000 But that's not what exactly people see the presidency as. 0.98

00:40:21.000 They see the presidency as the stuff you say, and Trump is saying silly, silly things. 0.92

00:40:25.000 And not just that, he then activates Stephen Miller to go out on CNN. 0.93

00:40:28.000 Now, Stephen Miller had some words to say.

00:40:30.000 About Steve Bannon.

00:40:31.000 I agree with all of his words.

00:40:32.000 He calls Steve Bannon grotesque?

00:40:34.000 Agreed. 0.98

00:40:35.000 He calls Steve Bannon ridiculous? 0.95

00:40:37.000 Agreed. 0.96

00:40:38.000 Right?

00:40:38.000 And I know Steve Miller.

00:40:39.000 I know Stephen Miller.

00:40:40.000 I think Stephen is a very knowledgeable guy, particularly about immigration.

00:40:43.000 But on TV, he is just television poison.

00:40:46.000 He is just bad on TV.

00:40:47.000 If you want Stephen Miller to basically go after Steve Bannon, a statement from Stephen Miller, a public statement from Stephen Miller, released as a video, would have been much better.

00:40:54.000 Instead, he goes at it with Jake Tapper.

00:40:56.000 And here's the problem.

00:40:57.000 When I agree with what you're saying, and I'm still criticizing how you're saying it, it might be a problem with how you're saying it.

00:41:02.000 So Stephen Miller goes on with Tapper, and he refuses to answer any simple questions, which he could, right?

00:41:07.000 I could have done a better job ripping on Bannon in this interview than Miller does. 0.93

00:41:10.000 Miller goes out there, and instead, he just devotes 12 minutes to making a fool of himself.

00:41:14.000 And it's just not useful.

00:41:15.000 It's just not good.

00:41:16.000 And then he ends up being escorted from the CNN headquarters by security.

00:41:21.000 If you're trying to evidence that you guys are all very stable geniuses,

00:41:25.000 No, just no.

00:41:26.000 Now, I know that Trump tweeted out that he loves this.

00:41:29.000 I know that Trump tweeted out that he thinks that this was just a great performance by Stephen Miller.

00:41:34.000 It was not.

00:41:35.000 OK, here, I will show you.

00:41:37.000 With respect to the Trump Tower meeting that he's talking about, he wasn't even there when this went down, so he's not really a remotely credible source on any of it.

00:41:46.000 It reads like an angry, vindictive person spouting off to a highly discreditable author.

00:41:53.000 The book is best understood as a work of very poorly written fiction. 1.00

00:41:58.000 And I also will say that the author is a garbage author of a garbage book. 0.95

00:42:04.000 A phenomenon that was happening that you didn't see, a phenomenon that was happening that the rest of the political class didn't see, all these so-called political geniuses in Washington, 0.99

00:42:14.000 Okay, this is where it goes off the rails.

00:42:24.000 If you just want to say that the book is just a grotesque, if you want to just say the book is fiction, that's fine.

00:42:32.000 But this whole, we got to go on TV and we got to treat the president like he's Kim Jong-un, and we're going to go around worshiping, we're actually going to get out a prayer rug and just bow down to Trump.

00:42:40.000 He is a genius.

00:42:40.000 He's the only one who is a genius.

00:42:42.000 He beat 17 other candidates.

00:42:44.000 Come on.

00:42:44.000 Okay, like, if you think this is helpful to Trump's prospects in 2020, you got another thing coming.

00:42:49.000 Okay.

00:42:49.000 In a second, we are going to get to some things I like and some things that I don't.

00:42:53.000 You know what?

00:42:53.000 Let's just do it.

00:42:54.000 Okay, time for some things I like, some things I hate, and then we'll do some Federalist papers.

00:42:58.000 So, things I like.

00:42:59.000 Over the weekend, I got to see Jumanji.

00:43:02.000 It is fun.

00:43:03.000 Okay?

00:43:03.000 It's not Citizen Kane.

00:43:04.000 It's not meant to be Citizen Kane.

00:43:06.000 It is very funny.

00:43:06.000 I was actually kind of shocked that they didn't use the rock

00:43:09.000 I don't know.

00:43:32.000 Spencer, Bethany, Fridge, Martha.

00:43:33.000 You're all here for a reason.

00:43:35.000 Hey, person walking!

00:43:35.000 You should be thinking about who you are and who you want to be.

00:43:38.000 You'll have plenty of time to figure that out while you're cleaning out the basement.

00:44:02.000 Are you gonna help or are you too pretty?

00:44:04.000 I'm too pretty.

00:44:05.000 Yo, what's this?

00:44:08.000 A game for those who seek to find a way to leave their world behind. 0.99

00:44:13.000 Jumanji.

00:44:15.000 Pick a character and you're that person in the game.

00:44:16.000 Which one do I pick?

00:44:17.000 I don't think it matters that much.

00:44:19.000 Loose Finbar.

00:44:20.000 Sounds like a badass.

00:44:22.000 I'll be the curvy genius.

00:44:24.000 Dr. Smolder Bravestone.

00:44:26.000 Guess I'm Ruby Roundhouse.

00:44:35.000 Okay, and then of course the, it's not spoiling anything, but the funny thing is the characters they inhabit, so the big black football player ends up being Kevin Hart, right, tiny, and the nerd ends up being Dwayne the Rock Johnson, and then of course the big surprise is that the hot blonde chick ends up being Jack Black. 0.51

00:44:53.000 Right?

00:44:53.000 And so the entire film, Jack Black is basically channeling a teenage girl.

00:44:57.000 And it is quite funny.

00:44:59.000 So the movie is really enjoyable.

00:45:00.000 I saw it with my wife.

00:45:01.000 It's a good way to lose a couple of hours.

00:45:04.000 It's got its moments.

00:45:07.000 It definitely has its moments.

00:45:09.000 You know, I always feel this with comedies.

00:45:13.000 It's very rare I see a comedy and I feel like they couldn't have gotten a little bit more from it.

00:45:16.000 But you get enough from it that you're pretty pleased with it.

00:45:18.000 So it's pretty funny.

00:45:19.000 So check it out.

00:45:21.000 Jumanji.

00:45:21.000 Worth seeing.

00:45:22.000 Dwayne, The Rock Johnson only makes films that are funny and interesting, actually.

00:45:26.000 I have to say, I've become a big fan of The Rock.

00:45:29.000 OK, I will even watch Central Intelligence and think that's a good movie, because I think that Dwayne The Rock Johnson is a very funny human.

00:45:34.000 OK, so check that out.

00:45:36.000 OK, other things.

00:45:37.000 You know what?

00:45:37.000 I want to spend some time on the Federalist Papers here, so I'm just going to skip right over things I hate.

00:45:41.000 Guess what?

00:45:42.000 Too bad.

00:45:43.000 OK, so let's talk Federalist Papers.

00:45:44.000 The reason I want to spend some extra time today is because this is one of the more important Federalist Papers.

00:45:48.000 Every week we do a Federalist Paper.

00:45:50.000 Today we are on Federalist Number 10.

00:45:51.000 This is one of the most famous.

00:45:52.000 This one is by James Madison.

00:45:54.000 This is the one where he talks about how the organization of the Constitution of the United States

00:45:59.000 Helps defeat the power of faction.

00:46:01.000 So what he says is, by a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion or of interest adverse to the rights of other citizens or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.

00:46:14.000 So what he says basically, a faction is any political group of people organizing against another group of people or organizing against a future interest.

00:46:20.000 He says there are two methods of curing the mischiefs of fashion.

00:46:23.000 The one?

00:46:24.000 A faction.

00:46:25.000 The one, by removing its causes.

00:46:26.000 The other, by controlling its effects.

00:46:28.000 There are, again, two methods of removing the causes of factions.

00:46:31.000 The one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence.

00:46:33.000 The other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests.

00:46:37.000 So here's what he says.

00:46:37.000 He says, basically, if you want to stop factions from tearing a society apart, stop the majority from hurting the minority, or the minority from hurting the majority, there are only two ways of doing that.

00:46:46.000 The one is to get rid of the causes of factions, so make everybody think the same way.

00:46:51.000 The other is by controlling its effects.

00:46:52.000 If you want to get rid of everybody thinking differently, the only way to do that is by getting rid of liberty on the one hand, or by giving every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests through training.

00:47:02.000 He says that getting rid of the causes is a fool's errand.

00:47:06.000 He says if you destroy liberty, that's worse than the disease.

00:47:09.000 He says liberty is to faction what errors to fire, an ailment without which it instantly expires.

00:47:14.000 He says that getting rid of liberty is like getting rid of air because you want to get rid of bad animals.

00:47:18.000 You get rid of all animals.

00:47:19.000 He says that also having everybody agree is unwise.

00:47:22.000 He says as long as the reason of man continues fallible and he has liberty to exercise it, different opinions will be formed.

00:47:28.000 And as long as the connection subsists between his reason and his self-love,

00:47:31.000 We're good.

00:47:47.000 He also points out faction is not going to be cured basically without fascism.

00:47:51.000 He actually dramatically foresees Marx.

00:47:54.000 He says that there will always be material inequality in a free society because people have different abilities.

00:47:59.000 He says the diversity in the faculties of men from which the rights of property originate is not less an insuperable obstacle to a uniformity of interests.

00:48:06.000 He says we're always going to fall into mutual animosities based on our varying viewpoints and different abilities.

00:48:11.000 And he says legislation means that we're judges in our own case.

00:48:15.000 If you were going to judge between the rich and the poor, you really can't have them just vote on it because now you're a judge in your own case.

00:48:20.000 So what do we have to do?

00:48:21.000 That leaves us with the second solution, and that is we have to control its effect.

00:48:25.000 So, if we have a minority seeking to impose on the majority, we don't have a problem, right?

00:48:27.000 Because the minority can't impose on the majority.

00:48:29.000 But what if a majority wants to impose on a minority?

00:48:32.000 Then we have a serious problem.

00:48:33.000 And he says no informal checks and balances will suffice.

00:48:37.000 He says either the existence of the same passion or interest in a majority at the same time must be prevented, or the majority, having such coexistent passion or interest, must be rendered by number and local situation

00:48:47.000 Unable to concert and carry into effect schemes of oppression.

00:48:49.000 So what he says is if you have a big republic with lots of varying interests it's hard to actually motivate a majority to curb the rights of others.

00:48:57.000 He says pure democracy is going to fail because in a pure democracy you can just have the majority all over the place vote for one policy.

00:49:03.000 But a republic is better.

00:49:05.000 Right?

00:49:05.000 And then he differentiates between a democracy and a republic.

00:49:07.000 This is very, very important. 0.99

00:49:09.000 The reason it's important is because you'll hear people say stupid things like, America is a democracy. 0.99

00:49:13.000 America is not a democracy, it's a republic. 0.99

00:49:15.000 Or there's no difference between American democracy and an American republic.

00:49:18.000 There are two major differences, and Madison spells them out clearly.

00:49:21.000 He says, first,

00:49:23.000 So you can have a bigger republic than you can have a democracy.

00:49:25.000 Very hard to have a democracy of 300 million because having 300 million people vote on any topic is going to fail.

00:49:29.000 It's hard to even get people to vote for local dog catcher.

00:49:43.000 So, what he says as far as the number of legislators, first, you can't have too many and you can't have too few.

00:49:47.000 If you have too few, it begins to become an oligarchy.

00:49:50.000 And if you have too many, it's hard to get anything done.

00:49:52.000 And then he says, also, a large republic means that it will be difficult to coordinate interests.

00:49:56.000 In a small republic, you could have

00:49:58.000 A majority that elects a couple of politicians and they become dictators.

00:50:01.000 But in a large majority, in a large republic, it's hard to get all of the interests to coordinate.

00:50:06.000 He says, the smaller the society, the fewer probably will be the distinct parties and interests composing it.

00:50:11.000 The fewer the distinct parties and interests, the more frequently will a majority be found of the same party.

00:50:15.000 And the smaller the number of individuals composing that majority, the smaller the compass within which they are placed.

00:50:21.000 So it's easy to become oppressive.

00:50:22.000 Instead, he says, we need localism on most levels, but broader republicanism for the big stuff.

00:50:28.000 He says the influence of factious leaders may kindle a flame within particular states, but will be unable to spread a general conflagration through the other states.

00:50:37.000 A religious sect may degenerate into a political faction and part of the Confederacy, but the variety of sects dispersed over the entire face of it must secure the national councils against any danger from that source.

00:50:46.000 You won't have Catholic rule or Mormon rule or Jewish rule or Protestant rule in the United States because there's too much diversity.

00:50:52.000 He says any bad policy should basically be cancelled out.

00:50:55.000 Any oppressive policy should be cancelled out.

00:50:57.000 Now, this was largely true in the United States, except for the massive injustice of slavery, in which federalism prevented the imposition of a better policy on the states.

00:51:07.000 It was a two-edged sword.

00:51:10.000 If there was bad policy in the states, the federal government didn't really have the capacity to stop it.

00:51:14.000 But if there was bad policy in the states in some other ways, then the federal government also didn't become that policy.

00:51:20.000 The federal government was never dominated by slaveholders.

00:51:22.000 It was dominated by people who were in favor of the states having their own policy on it, which is not quite the same thing.

00:51:27.000 In effect, it is.

00:51:28.000 But in theory, it is not.

00:51:31.000 In any case, the whole point here is that the diversity of viewpoints makes for a large republic

00:51:37.000 A more liberty-oriented system, right?

00:51:39.000 You're not getting rid of faction, per se, so when people lament faction itself, that's silly.

00:51:44.000 You can't get rid of faction, but you can control its effects.

00:51:46.000 That's what Federalist No.

00:51:47.000 10 is about, and Madison very clearly lays out why.

00:51:50.000 Okay, so, we will be back.

00:51:52.000 We will be back here tomorrow with all of the latest news, and we look forward to seeing you then.

00:51:56.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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Oprah For President? | Ep. 448

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