The Ben Shapiro Show - Testing, Testing | Ep. 993

00:00:00.000 All focus turns to testing capacity, but how effective will testing be and how practical are our testing plans?

00:00:05.000 Plus, local officials get authoritarian and protests start to roil the country.

00:00:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:25.000 Well, I hope that you had a somewhat relaxing weekend as we all continue to undergo this incredibly Painful and difficult process.

00:00:34.000 Obviously, some people in the United States are suffering gravely, not just in terms of health, but tons and tons of people have lost their jobs.

00:00:39.000 I mean, this is a crisis that is roiling.

00:00:42.000 And in the middle of a roiling crisis, the last thing you need are people taking political advantage of the roiling crisis in order to enact their agenda.

00:00:49.000 And this is why it's really important to look to Europe and see how they are reopening and look to the various strategies on reopening.

00:00:53.000 It's why it's really important to use critical thinking when we talk about exactly what sort of steps need to be taken for reopening, because there is a data-based idea That we can reopen if we hit certain milestones.

00:01:04.000 And then there are certain data-free ideas like we can never reopen at any point.

00:01:10.000 Or we should reopen immediately.

00:01:12.000 No holds barred, no masks, no social distancing.

00:01:15.000 And none of this is useful.

00:01:16.000 So what we should first do is look at the data.

00:01:19.000 And then what we're going to see is that American politics, it's amazing how fast people retreat to their priors.

00:01:23.000 It's amazing how fast people use crisis as an opportunity to push their preferred political agenda.

00:01:29.000 And how in response, people immediately say, well, you know what?

00:01:32.000 Then I'm not going to buy any of what you are saying.

00:01:34.000 We've seen this with regard to climate change, for example.

00:01:36.000 So the left wasn't content to simply just say, listen, climate change is happening and it's mostly human caused.

00:01:42.000 Then it became, this is a global crisis.

00:01:43.000 It's a crisis of unprecedented proportion.

00:01:45.000 And it also means they're going to have to completely restructure the world economy and the American economy.

00:01:50.000 And at that point, a lot of people began to think, wait a second, wait a second.

00:01:54.000 I'm with you on the science.

00:01:55.000 I'm okay with that.

00:01:56.000 I'm even willing to go along with you on maybe this is a serious problem over the course of the next century that is gradually building, but I'm not willing to go along with something that seems as though it is a pretext for you to do all the things you have already wanted to do.

00:02:07.000 And that is what it is starting to feel like in the United States as politicians lock down beyond what is necessary, as they take more and more petty authoritarian stances, as you see people attempting to shut down protests, not on the basis of public health alone.

00:02:20.000 By the way, if you are protesting, if you're out there protesting today or yesterday, Okay, I made this recommendation last week.

00:02:26.000 If you want to protest to reopen the government, I'm actually fine with that.

00:02:28.000 I don't have any problem with that.

00:02:29.000 That is a first amendment exercise.

00:02:30.000 Not only that, I sort of agree with you that we need to be taking more exped... Not sort of, I largely agree with you.

00:02:35.000 We need to be taking more expedited steps to reopen America's economy because I believe that the American people are responsible.

00:02:42.000 I believe the American people are capable of wearing a mask when they are going to be within six feet of others.

00:02:47.000 That the American people are capable of social distancing.

00:02:49.000 That we are a free people who are responsible and don't want to infect our neighbors.

00:02:53.000 That being said, if you're gonna go out and protest, why don't you do that?

00:02:55.000 Wear a mask, socially distance, takes a bullet away from the media that wish to paint you as a bunch of kooks.

00:03:01.000 Now there are some kooks out there protesting, but there are plenty of kooks on the other side suggesting that we must shelter in place until kingdom come, no matter what the economic consequences are.

00:03:08.000 Okay, so we're gonna get into all of this.

00:03:09.000 Let's begin with what is happening over in Europe.

00:03:12.000 So in Europe, they are beginning to slowly re-emerge.

00:03:15.000 From their lockdown, according to the Wall Street Journal Bookstores, almost nothing else among again, open again along desolate canals of Venice, restaurants and hotels remain shut, cafes once packed with tourists sit empty.

00:03:24.000 But for two days a week, customers can browse for books so long as they wear a mask, disinfect their hands before shopping and stay more than six feet apart.

00:03:31.000 To comply, the city's Marco Polo bookstore has asked customers to answer one at a time in the morning or schedule a half hour appointment for the afternoon.

00:03:38.000 For a look at how hard it is to press play on a Western economy still battling coronavirus, turn to Europe and to Italy, which is painstakingly freeing its shops and small businesses in stages, easing a continent-wide lockdown that has kept nearly half a billion people at home.

00:03:49.000 Nation by nation, and in some cases storefront by storefront, health authorities in the European Union are selecting when and where commercial life can breathe again in tiny gasps.

00:03:57.000 Each new category of retail allowed to function presents a real-time experiment for what coming weeks could look like as parts of the U.S.

00:04:03.000 attempt to follow.

00:04:05.000 Most Italian regions have let children's clothing stores open.

00:04:07.000 The Czech Republic has greenlit hardware stores.

00:04:09.000 In central Vienna, face masks to Austrians now line up around city blocks to visit sewing shops and chocolatiers.

00:04:14.000 This week, Germany and Poland both said they would loosen rules that have suffocated retail.

00:04:18.000 The openings are piecemeal and provisional.

00:04:20.000 There's no swift or substantial relief.

00:04:22.000 A lot of people are still staying home.

00:04:23.000 But stores are beginning to reopen.

00:04:26.000 It's going to be hard to get back online, but countries are taking sort of different tacks on this sort of thing.

00:04:31.000 Germany is reopening its stores, according to Bloomberg News.

00:04:36.000 Chancellor Angela Merkel's government is now allowing smaller stores to reopen after a shutdown that deprived German retailers about 33 billion bucks in sales and pushed many shops to the brink of bankruptcy.

00:04:45.000 Germany is among the first nations in Europe taking cautious steps toward normalcy as the pandemic continues to shutter factories, restaurants and shops from Madrid to Prague.

00:04:53.000 Retail spaces of less than 800 square meters, which is less than about 8,500 square feet, will be reopening along with car dealerships, bike shops, bookstores, bar restaurants, gyms, larger stores are going to remain closed.

00:05:03.000 The government is urgently recommending that everyone continue to wear face masks.

00:05:08.000 So Germany is already beginning to reopen.

00:05:10.000 And Sweden, which never really shut, they're now saying that they've been successful in their attempts to flatten the curve.

00:05:16.000 Now remember, The whole situation with Sweden, and people on the left really love to hate Sweden, which is weird because the government there is actually a center-left government, but the bizarre notion that Sweden has blown this thing because they had a spiking death rate over the last couple of weeks and then flattened out again?

00:05:31.000 This is like saying that if you are overweight and then you go to exercise and then you're vomiting into a trash can because you exercised really hard and then someone points you say look look at what that guy did to himself he's vomiting in the trash can right the point for Sweden is that you're supposed to take the long the you're supposed to trade the short-term hit of vomiting in the trash can for the long-term gain of getting back in shape if you just sit on your couch all day you're actually not doing yourself any favors because you will be out of shape forever

00:05:54.000 Okay, so Sweden sort of took a different tack, which is, we'll take the early hit, we'll make sure that our systems aren't overrun, and now Sweden is beginning to say, listen, our strategy is working, and we'll see how all you all are doing when you reemerge and you embrace our strategy anyway, and then presumably have to reinfect each other, because that is something that is going to happen.

00:06:11.000 People completely misinterpreted what flatten the curve meant.

00:06:13.000 Okay, I explained it 1,000 times on the show, so it ain't my fault, but flatten the curve simply meant that we were going to spread out the rate of infection over time, Such that we would not overwhelm our medical system.

00:06:22.000 People took it to mean that if we somehow flatten the curve that you would never get COVID.

00:06:26.000 That is not right, okay?

00:06:27.000 You probably will get COVID at some point in the future, barring some exigent circumstance.

00:06:31.000 Our only hope is that the treatments are better and that a vaccine is developed sooner rather than later.

00:06:36.000 But flattening the curve never meant that a huge percentage of the population was going to avoid COVID.

00:06:40.000 It just meant that there were going to be medical resources at your disposal when you actually did get COVID.

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00:08:08.000 So as I say, Sweden was much more accurate in how they have been informing the public that this thing is going to go forward.

00:08:13.000 So they never shut down all of their restaurants or their gyms or their bars or anything.

00:08:16.000 They basically just said to their citizenry, guys be responsible, right?

00:08:19.000 If you're old, if you have a preexisting condition, stay home, don't go out and socialize, but otherwise you'll go out there, wear a mask, socially distance, don't congregate in large throngs, and that's about it.

00:08:34.000 Anders Tegnell is the architect behind Sweden's relatively relaxed response to COVID.

00:08:37.000 He told local media the latest figures on infection rates and fatalities indicate that the situation is starting to stabilize.

00:08:43.000 Tegnell told Swedish News we're around sort of a plateau.

00:08:46.000 Sweden has left its schools, gyms, cafes, bars, and restaurants open throughout the spread of the pandemic.

00:08:50.000 The government has urged citizens to act responsibly and follow social distancing guidelines.

00:08:53.000 So there are high levels of trust, social trust, in places like Sweden, and that makes it a lot easier for people to rely on their neighbors to obey the rules.

00:09:01.000 With that said, I believe that the American citizen is generally a responsible human being who is capable of going back to work and wearing a mask and staying six feet away from people and not breathing all over each other. 0.93

00:09:12.000 And frankly, I am bewildered and somewhat terrified by the response of local authorities who are doing the dumbest crap I've ever seen on the local level in order to prevent people from supposedly reinfecting each other. 0.96

00:09:25.000 I mean, it totally is wild. 0.99

00:09:26.000 It totally is.

00:09:27.000 And we're going to get to that in just one second.

00:09:29.000 But I want to talk about one of the things that people keep talking about for reopening.

00:09:32.000 So they keep talking about the necessity of testing.

00:09:34.000 They keep saying that if we test, if we ramp up tests, we need tests that are ramped up, really ramped up, in order to reopen society.

00:09:40.000 So we need to be reasonable about what we expect.

00:09:43.000 When people go back, there will be an increased number of people who are infected.

00:09:46.000 When people go back, there will be an increased number of people who do die.

00:09:49.000 And that is a thing that is going to happen.

00:09:51.000 And there is no world, none, in which people go back to work and don't shelter in place and the rates don't go up.

00:09:57.000 The rates will go up.

00:09:58.000 This is expected.

00:09:59.000 This is part of the plan.

00:10:00.000 Unless there is some new treatment that miraculously appears.

00:10:04.000 People will get sick.

00:10:05.000 People will die.

00:10:06.000 The hope is that when they go to the hospital, a ventilator will be available, an ICU bed will be available.

00:10:10.000 Hopefully you'll have some of the new drugs available.

00:10:12.000 And that over time, as we hit September, we get back into the school year, the treatments, the toolkit, as Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former FDA commissioner, put it to me on the Sunday special, the toolkit will have improved such that the care for you will be better by September.

00:10:25.000 The vaccine ain't coming until next year.

00:10:27.000 So, acknowledge the baseline risk in American society has gone up.

00:10:31.000 COVID has raised the baseline risk, and depending on your age and your pre-existing condition, it has raised your baseline risk rather substantially, for sure.

00:10:39.000 When people compare this to the flu, this is not like the flu.

00:10:42.000 It is much more transmissible than the flu, and it is significantly more deadly than the flu for every age range except for kids who are under the age of maybe 15 years old.

00:10:49.000 Okay, with all of that said, we have to know the limits of testing.

00:10:53.000 What is the testing actually designed to do?

00:10:55.000 Because we've heard these sort of magic words that get bandied about in the media and then completely reinterpreted.

00:10:59.000 So as I say, flatten the curve was taken by many Americans to mean that since we flattened the curve, you're going to go back to work and you're not going to get it.

00:11:05.000 Not true.

00:11:06.000 Okay, testing does not mean you are not going to get it.

00:11:09.000 Okay, what testing is designed to do, presumably, testing and contact tracing, right?

00:11:12.000 These buzzwords that you hear.

00:11:14.000 That testing is designed to identify people after they already have it, and then to lock down the levels of contacts, sort of web of contacts that they have, and tell those people to self-quarantine, to kind of kill out hotspots before they spread exponentially.

00:11:28.000 That is the goal of the testing.

00:11:30.000 Now, is that actually accomplishable?

00:11:32.000 Probably.

00:11:33.000 It's probably accomplishable if you have a baseline level of testing that is somewhat higher than the level of testing we have now.

00:11:39.000 Doesn't mean that we are going to stamp out the virus, that the only way for us to get back to work is to run tens of millions of tests every day.

00:11:46.000 That's not realistic.

00:11:47.000 It's just not realistic.

00:11:48.000 And part of the reason it's not realistic is because tons of people, presumably, particularly in metro hotspots, have already had this thing.

00:11:55.000 So I've been talking about the fact that while this is a lot more deadly than the flu and a lot more transmissible than the flu, it is a lot less deadly than the WHO rate that's been put out there for the case fatality rate.

00:12:03.000 The infection fatality rate is the rate you actually need to know.

00:12:06.000 The infection fatality rate is what I'm always talking about.

00:12:08.000 That is the number of people who have actually obtained this virus.

00:12:13.000 is much higher than the number of people who have been tested for the virus.

00:12:15.000 The denominator is much, much higher.

00:12:17.000 And we keep seeing this, which means it's kind of difficult to lock down.

00:12:21.000 It's kind of difficult to lock down other than with just stay-at-home measures.

00:12:25.000 Now, again, if there's a big hotspot, a huge spike in one area, then maybe you can contact trace if you do it soon enough.

00:12:30.000 Right?

00:12:31.000 That would be the goal.

00:12:31.000 But that's the only goal of the testing.

00:12:33.000 Okay?

00:12:33.000 The goal of the testing is not to prevent everyone in the population from getting it or to prevent a low level of baseline people infecting each other from continuing.

00:12:40.000 That will continue.

00:12:41.000 That is going to happen.

00:12:43.000 Okay, so let's be realistic about what we can accomplish and what we can't.

00:12:45.000 I think people are being utterly, completely unrealistic about this.

00:12:49.000 And I think some people are doing that for political purposes.

00:12:52.000 One, because they want to imply that the Trump administration is capable of doing a thing it can't do.

00:12:56.000 And the government is capable of doing a thing it can't do.

00:12:59.000 And they want to suggest that people need to stay home indefinitely.

00:13:03.000 And this is where I think that Americans are right to begin getting suspicious.

00:13:06.000 There are some people in positions of authority who are obviously enjoying the shutdown a little too much, who are going out of their way to shut down activities that seriously have no relation to data or reality.

00:13:19.000 And there's some people in positions of authority who are seeing this opportunity as an opportunity to restructure all of American society.

00:13:25.000 And I'm not implying, I'm not making an accusation without evidence.

00:13:28.000 Bernie Sanders wrote that directly in the New York Times today.

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00:14:53.000 So as I say, this thing is very widespread.

00:14:55.000 It's very widespread, right?

00:14:57.000 And in metro areas, particularly widespread.

00:15:01.000 We mentioned a study last week, very late last week, on the radio show.

00:15:04.000 It broke like after the podcast.

00:15:06.000 And that study showed that the baseline level of infection in Santa Clara County could be 50 to 85 times as high as the number of actual tested cases.

00:15:16.000 We've seen that in Denmark, for example.

00:15:19.000 The percentage, or the Netherlands rather, the percentage of people in the Netherlands who had this antibody, who had the antibody, this thing is like 3% of the population, which means that their infection fatality rate is off by at least an order of magnitude, probably by a factor of 20.

00:15:34.000 Okay, well now we are seeing there's a study in Massachusetts in which they tested people literally off the street.

00:15:40.000 The Massachusetts General Study took samples from 200 residents on the streets in Chelsea, Massachusetts.

00:15:46.000 64 of the participants tested positive.

00:15:48.000 So like one third of the people just on the street tested positive for the antibody, which means two things.

00:15:52.000 One, it's a lot more widespread than possible, which means testing for it's going to be very difficult.

00:15:56.000 But two, it also means the thing is a lot less deadly than you have been led to believe, even if it is significantly more deadly than the flu.

00:16:03.000 What all of this is doing is it means that there is a lot of uncertainty in the modeling.

00:16:07.000 It means that people have less faith in the scientists.

00:16:09.000 I will tell you another thing that is going to lead people to have less faith in the scientists is all the conflicting messages.

00:16:14.000 So let's talk about testing because this is what you keep hearing now, right?

00:16:16.000 You keep hearing from the politicians, everything is about testing.

00:16:20.000 Why isn't Trump testing?

00:16:21.000 Where are all the tests?

00:16:22.000 And it's true. 0.56

00:16:23.000 We need more testing.

00:16:24.000 We do need more testing.

00:16:25.000 Okay, but the level of testing that some people are calling for is just utterly unrealistic.

00:16:29.000 It's not realistic.

00:16:30.000 It's not a thing that is going to happen.

00:16:31.000 I give you an example.

00:16:32.000 Today, ABC News reports that there is a report titled, Roadmap to Pandemic Resilience, released on Monday morning.

00:16:39.000 A blue ribbon panel of thought leaders across the political spectrum called COVID-19 a profound threat to our democracy comparable to the Great Depression and World War II.

00:16:47.000 Danielle Allen, lead author of the report, a professor at Harvard University's Edmund J. Safra Center on Ethics, told ABC News, it's a moment for a can-to America to really show up and put itself to work.

00:16:57.000 We need a massively scale of testing, tracing, and supported isolation system that is the alternative.

00:17:03.000 They say test producers will need to deliver 5 million tests per day by early June to safely open even parts of the economy by late July.

00:17:12.000 To fully remobilize the economy, the country will need to see testing grow to 20 million a day.

00:17:17.000 And we acknowledge that even this number may not be high enough.

00:17:22.000 Paul Romer, the Nobel laureate economist, who didn't assist in the report, but has a similar approach according to ABC News, says the country may need more than 30 million tests per day.

00:17:31.000 30 million tests per day.

00:17:33.000 Guess what is not happening?

00:17:34.000 Any of that.

00:17:36.000 Okay, that is not a thing that is happening.

00:17:38.000 So let's be realistic about this.

00:17:39.000 And let's also be realistic about what these tests do.

00:17:41.000 Okay, we have to be realistic about the risks here.

00:17:43.000 Okay, people are going to go back to work and there is going to be additional risk.

00:17:46.000 So let's be honest about it.

00:17:48.000 The politicians are not being honest.

00:17:48.000 No one's being honest with you.

00:17:50.000 They make it sound like you're gonna be safe when you go back to work.

00:17:51.000 It's not true.

00:17:53.000 Commentators are not being honest when they suggest that with a massive regime of testing, you will be completely free of risk.

00:17:59.000 That's not true.

00:18:00.000 There are several different types of tests that people have talked about.

00:18:03.000 And all of them have flaws.

00:18:05.000 First of all, let's just put this on the table.

00:18:08.000 People keep saying, we'll wait for the vaccine, we'll wait for the vaccine.

00:18:10.000 There's no guarantee there even will be a vaccine.

00:18:13.000 According to David Nabarro, Professor of Global Health at Imperial College and an envoy for the WHO, he says that there's no guarantee a vaccine can even be successfully developed.

00:18:23.000 So everybody is sitting around going, oh, there'll be a vaccine in 12 to 18 months.

00:18:25.000 How do you know?

00:18:26.000 So that may not happen.

00:18:28.000 It also turns out that even if you test negative for COVID-19, you may have it.

00:18:32.000 Because it turns out that a lot of these tests are flawed.

00:18:32.000 Why?

00:18:35.000 So you can test as much as you want.

00:18:36.000 If the tests have a really high rate of false positive or false negative, not super helpful.

00:18:41.000 According to Live Science, and this is just a few, a couple of weeks ago, conventional diagnostic tests for the novel coronavirus may give a false negative result about 30% of the time.

00:18:51.000 30% of the time.

00:18:53.000 So, those sorts of tests, they're not gonna be good enough.

00:18:57.000 Okay, they're just not.

00:18:58.000 And these are the RT-PCR tests everybody is talking about, right?

00:19:01.000 These are the ones that take a bit of RNA from a viral swab from your nose, from your mouth, and they replicate the RNA, and they match it up to the genetic sequencing of the virus to see if you have the virus in the first place.

00:19:13.000 Those things are significantly inadequate in many cases.

00:19:18.000 If the tests come back positive, it's almost certain you have the infection, but if the tests give a negative, then it is not certain that you're actually negative.

00:19:24.000 So they're giving a false negative a lot of the time.

00:19:27.000 Because that means that we would have to repeat test you.

00:19:29.000 And how many times do you have to repeat test before you determine that somebody is actually clean?

00:19:34.000 Also, is everybody going to have an RNA test, like, on the premises?

00:19:37.000 What's the delay between the time you take the PCR test and the time you receive the result?

00:19:40.000 Because it might be three days.

00:19:42.000 In which case, you're still going out because you feel okay, right?

00:19:44.000 You're not symptomatic.

00:19:45.000 One of the big problems here is that you only take the test when you're symptomatic.

00:19:49.000 Unless you are taking it preventatively, in which case you still have to wait for two to three days, in which case you're still infecting everybody.

00:19:54.000 So, depending on the level of infection in society at large, I don't know what level of contact tracing you think is going to be available for 330 million people, but it's going to have to be pretty extraordinary.

00:20:06.000 There are flaws in this approach.

00:20:08.000 Okay, then there's the antibody test.

00:20:10.000 First of all, there are serious problems with the antibody test right now.

00:20:12.000 According to the New York Times today, the United States has seen the first rollout of blood tests for coronavirus antibodies, but for all their promise, the tests are already raising alarms.

00:20:21.000 Officials fear the effort may prove as problematic as the earlier launch of diagnostic tests that failed to monitor which Americans and how many had been infected or developed the disease the virus causes.

00:20:32.000 The FDA has allowed about 90 companies, many based in China, to sell tests that have not gotten government vetting, saying the pandemic warrants an urgent response.

00:20:38.000 The agency has since warned that some of these businesses are making false claims about their product.

00:20:42.000 And so many of the tests going around don't have any level of validity at all.

00:20:45.000 They have like 20% validity.

00:20:48.000 So there are flaws in the antibody test.

00:20:50.000 And again, the antibodies only develop after a week.

00:20:52.000 So you could have it walk around for a week, be infecting everybody.

00:20:56.000 So here's what tests are good for.

00:20:58.000 They're good for if you and a bunch of your friends start to get sick, then we can contact trace you after two or three days of you being sick and try and back trace you for like nine days.

00:21:06.000 But it'd have to be you and a bunch of your friends to justify the contact tracing that would take place in that hotspot.

00:21:13.000 Right?

00:21:14.000 So that that means that a low level of infection is probably going to maintain throughout society.

00:21:19.000 Now, one of the things that is happening is because people are focusing so much on the testing and the things that we have to get done before we can supposedly go back to work.

00:21:27.000 One of the things that is happening is that people are sort of waiting for somebody to give them the all clear.

00:21:33.000 And I don't know that the all clear is going to be all clear.

00:21:36.000 Because again, I think politicians are lying to you.

00:21:39.000 I think right now the testing has turned into a bit of a political football.

00:21:42.000 So we'll get to the political football of the testing in just one second.

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00:23:10.000 Okay, so...

00:23:11.000 To get back on the testing.

00:23:12.000 There's been a lot of talk about what people need to do in order to have a testing level sufficient that you can go back to work.

00:23:17.000 I talked last week about the fact that temperature tests at the front door, that's kind of like a third priority because you're only gonna get a temperature a week after you have this thing.

00:23:27.000 Antibody tests are only gonna give you the antibodies a week after you have this thing.

00:23:30.000 You're probably only gonna take a PCR test depending on how many Tests are available two, three days after you have this thing, and then the results may not come back for two or three days.

00:23:39.000 And all of these tests have fairly significant high false negative rates.

00:23:43.000 So, in other words, we can't wait for this thing to be perfect, is what I'm telling you.

00:23:47.000 And all of the focus on this thing has to be perfect before anybody goes back to work is not accurate, and it's just a way, politically, for people to blame the federal government for failures here.

00:23:56.000 And you see this with Nancy Pelosi.

00:23:57.000 So Nancy Pelosi, over the weekend, she says, President Trump gets an F on testing, an F on testing.

00:24:02.000 It has to be testing.

00:24:04.000 It has to be tracing, contact tracing.

00:24:06.000 It has to be treatment.

00:24:08.000 And it has to be quarantine.

00:24:09.000 It's part of something bigger as well to be done properly.

00:24:13.000 But we're way late on it.

00:24:15.000 And that is the failure.

00:24:16.000 The president gets an F of failure on the testing.

00:24:20.000 But Dr. Fauci is right.

00:24:22.000 If it is done properly, it hasn't been.

00:24:24.000 And I think when he puts it in the if it's done is an admission that it hasn't been done.

00:24:30.000 I would love to ask her what she thinks is proper and how she presumes to roll those out and fund it and what American life looks like.

00:24:36.000 Nobody ever asked the follow-up question, which is, okay, you keep saying things like testing and contact tracing.

00:24:39.000 What do you mean?

00:24:40.000 How many people are you going to hire?

00:24:41.000 You have people at the DMV doing contact tracing, millions of people doing contact tracing.

00:24:45.000 How many people are you going to have actually doing the test?

00:24:47.000 How many tests do you propose to roll out?

00:24:48.000 Is it 20 million a day?

00:24:50.000 Seriously, 20 million a day?

00:24:52.000 Is that your plan?

00:24:53.000 Because that ain't happening.

00:24:54.000 It's not happening in May.

00:24:55.000 It's not happening in June.

00:24:56.000 It's not happening in July.

00:24:57.000 It's never happening.

00:24:58.000 There will not be 20 million tests a day in the United States.

00:25:00.000 Let's be realistic about this.

00:25:01.000 It's a country of 330 million people.

00:25:03.000 And by the way, I'm still confused as to why 20 million tests a day would be sufficient.

00:25:07.000 There are 330 million people in the population.

00:25:10.000 By the way, every day that goes by, millions of people are losing their livelihoods, their jobs, populating the food banks.

00:25:16.000 Mike Pence is saying, listen, we've made as much testing available as we're going to be making available to the states.

00:25:21.000 There's enough testing for people to start to think about getting back to work.

00:25:23.000 Here's the vice president.

00:25:24.000 We believe the testing that we have today, Chris, across the country, once we activate all of the labs that can do coronavirus testing, is sufficient for any state in America to move into phase one.

00:25:38.000 We're doing about 150,000 tests a day, and you remember a month ago we had done 80,000 tests total.

00:25:47.000 Now we've cleared 4 million overall.

00:25:50.000 Okay, 150,000 tests a day is good.

00:25:52.000 It's going to need to be a little bit better.

00:25:53.000 Scott Gottlieb told me on the Sunday special, 300,000 tests a day would probably be sufficient to at least do the hotspot tracing.

00:25:59.000 And that's pretty much all you can do.

00:26:00.000 Again, have realistic expectations about what the testing is going to do.

00:26:04.000 Now, Larry Hogan, the governor of Maryland, who's also been a guest on the radio show, he says it's not true.

00:26:07.000 We don't have the testing.

00:26:09.000 So, you know, when the federal government says that we are ready to go back, that's not accurate.

00:26:13.000 The administration, I think, is trying to ramp up testing.

00:26:17.000 They are doing some things with respect to private labs, but to try to push this off to say that the governors have plenty of testing and they should just get to work on testing, somehow we aren't doing our job, is just absolutely false.

00:26:32.000 Every governor in America has been pushing And fighting and clawing to get more tests, not only from the federal government, but from every private lab in America and from all across the world.

00:26:43.000 And we continue to do so.

00:26:44.000 All of that is fine.

00:26:45.000 And all of that is good.

00:26:46.000 Like maybe the feds can do more.

00:26:47.000 Maybe the states can do more.

00:26:48.000 But all I'm saying is that testing is not the cure-all.

00:26:50.000 Everybody is acting.

00:26:51.000 First, the cure-all was flattening the curve.

00:26:52.000 So we flattened the curve.

00:26:53.000 Wasn't a cure-all.

00:26:54.000 Then the cure-all is going to be lots and lots of tests, except that it's not going to be a cure-all.

00:26:59.000 It turns out that unless the real cure-all is people Making responsible decisions, truthfully.

00:27:07.000 The real cure-all is going to, aside from any vaccine, which again is perspective, the real cure-all is going to be if you are at risk, if you are elderly, if you have a pre-existing condition, seeing if there is a way for you to distance yourself from other human beings, and if you are not, then making sure that you are responsible in the way that you deal with other human beings.

00:27:23.000 Responsibility.

00:27:24.000 Now, All of this has led to a belief by most Americans that they can't lift the stay-at-home orders.

00:27:30.000 But that is because even the conditions laid out by the White House are now being politicized to the extent that what was a fairly broad and easy criteria to meet, meaning that you've had 14 days on a consistent level of downslope in terms of diagnosed cases or diagnosed cases as a percentage of cases taken, and they can start to reopen the economy.

00:27:46.000 Even that's being politicized now.

00:27:48.000 They said testing has to be sufficient.

00:27:50.000 And so, of course, Everybody on both sides of the political aisle has honed in on, okay, what level of testing is sufficient?

00:27:55.000 And nobody has a great answer for this.

00:27:58.000 Naturally, Americans are worried about going back to work because they've been told that if they go back to work, they're going to die.

00:28:01.000 And this is why I've been very upset about, frankly, how the media have covered this thing.

00:28:06.000 Because if you are young and healthy, the chances that you're going to die if you go back to work are extraordinarily low.

00:28:11.000 Like, really, really, really low.

00:28:13.000 The full number of Americans who have died under the age of 45, with or without pre-existing conditions in the United States from this thing, exceedingly low.

00:28:20.000 So everybody's going to end up in Sweden.

00:28:22.000 Everybody's going to end up doing the Swedish thing. 0.99

00:28:24.000 The only question is how long you wait to do the Swedish thing.

00:28:26.000 Right now, this is turning into a partisan issue as well.

00:28:30.000 If you see how it breaks down.

00:28:31.000 And people are wondering, like, why is this partisan?

00:28:33.000 It shouldn't be partisan, right?

00:28:34.000 I mean, like, we all have the same risk to life as general rule, right?

00:28:38.000 Some of us have pre-existing conditions.

00:28:39.000 Some of us are older.

00:28:39.000 Some of us are more vulnerable.

00:28:41.000 But overall, everybody's at risk.

00:28:42.000 The virus can take anybody out.

00:28:44.000 So why is there a partisan breakdown?

00:28:46.000 The reason there's a partisan breakdown is because there is a backlash that is currently brewing.

00:28:50.000 And the backlash is brewing to a hardcore political left that feels as though they are entitled to politicize this thing.

00:28:58.000 And turn it into a referendum on the entire American system and seem to frankly be enjoying their power a little bit too much.

00:29:03.000 I've been saying for weeks that Tarkin, the tighter you grip, the more galaxies will slip through your fingers.

00:29:11.000 And that's exactly what's happening.

00:29:13.000 And wait until I show you what's been happening in some of these states.

00:29:15.000 Americans are not going to stand for it. 1.00

00:29:16.000 They are not.

00:29:17.000 Americans are not going to be okay with the idea that they can't go outside to a park.

00:29:22.000 I mean, this is insanity.

00:29:24.000 And it's especially insanity when you tell us we can't go out to a park.

00:29:27.000 Maybe you'll get a check in the mail.

00:29:28.000 Maybe.

00:29:28.000 We'll see about it.

00:29:29.000 We're kind of holding up this small business fund.

00:29:31.000 So maybe you'll get a check in the mail.

00:29:32.000 Maybe you won't.

00:29:33.000 You're going to stay home.

00:29:34.000 We'll make sure the states get bailed out.

00:29:35.000 So all the debt that we've been taking on for years, we'll make sure that the states get a bailout.

00:29:38.000 That's what Democrats are focused on today. 0.53

00:29:40.000 And also, you can't send your kids to school.

00:29:43.000 And also, maybe at some point there will be testing sufficient that you can go outside.

00:29:47.000 But We're gonna have to fundamentally restructure American society in the meantime.

00:29:50.000 You think that might make people suspicious?

00:29:52.000 You think it might make people suspicious?

00:29:54.000 When you see that Facebook has been told by local governments to remove notices of protests? 0.96

00:30:00.000 Listen, I think a lot of protesters are doing dumb things. 0.94

00:30:03.000 Like, don't go to a rally and call your governor a Nazi. 0.99

00:30:06.000 Don't go to a rally and yell at Dr. Fauci.

00:30:11.000 Don't go to a rally and take off a mask and spit at people. 0.99

00:30:15.000 Don't do dumb things.

00:30:16.000 But the notion that governments should be pressured to reopen because we are a responsible people capable of taking risks?

00:30:23.000 I am.

00:30:23.000 I'm with you there.

00:30:24.000 And the media's attempt to paint everybody who's in favor of reopening as a threat to human life is frankly disgusting. 0.81

00:30:30.000 I mean, truly gross.

00:30:31.000 We'll get to this in just one second.

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00:31:43.000 Okay, we're going to get into the petty tyranny of local officials and the burgeoning sense that some politicians are using this crisis as an opportunity. 0.90

00:31:53.000 Americans are not going to stand for that bullcrap and they shouldn't stand for that bullcrap. 0.64

00:31:56.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:32:42.000 Okay, so the dichotomy that's been set up because of the testing regimen and the contact tracing, I want all this stuff in place too.

00:32:54.000 I have the same interest you do.

00:32:55.000 I don't want hotspots.

00:32:56.000 I live in LA.

00:32:57.000 You think I want a hotspot out here?

00:32:58.000 I'm not interested in that.

00:32:59.000 I have a sister in New Jersey, which is a hotspot right now.

00:33:04.000 I would love all these things in place, but if you think that we can wait until we have 20 million tests a day, As these non-epidemiologists, by the way, are recommending, you're out of your mind.

00:33:14.000 But what the media are now setting up is a political binary wherein if you suggest that we need to consciously, cautiously, responsibly get people back to work, particularly in the least vulnerable populations, then you are a bad person who is risking human life. 0.98

00:33:27.000 And I'm sorry, that's a bunch of crap. 0.88

00:33:28.000 Thomas Friedman has a column today along these lines, says, Trump is asking us to play Russian roulette with our lives. 0.98

00:33:35.000 This is what Trump was saying with his liberate Virginia, liberate Minnesota, liberate Michigan tweets, right?

00:33:39.000 Trump tweeted all this last week without any sort of clarifying message.

00:33:42.000 He said, everybody just go back to work.

00:33:44.000 From now on, each of us individually and our society collectively is going to play Russian roulettes, says Thomas Friedman.

00:33:48.000 We're going to bet we can spin through our daily lives, work, shopping, school, travel, without coronavirus landing on us.

00:33:53.000 And if it does, we'll also bet it won't kill us.

00:33:55.000 More specifically, as a society, we'll be betting that as large numbers of people stop sheltering in place, the number of people who will get infected with COVID-19 and require hospitalization will be less than the number of hospital beds, ICU respirators, doctors, nurses, and protective gear needed to take care of them.

00:34:10.000 Because it's clear that millions of Americans are going to stop sheltering in place before we have proper testing, tracking, and tracing system let up.

00:34:17.000 Until we have a vaccine, that kind of system is the only path to dramatically lowering the risk of infection while partially opening society, as Germany has demonstrated.

00:34:25.000 As individuals, every person will be playing Russian Roulette every minute of the day.

00:34:29.000 What will be so cruel about this American version of Russian Roulette is how unfair it will be.

00:34:33.000 And then he turns it into class warfare.

00:34:35.000 If you're more poor, then you're going to be forced to make choices.

00:34:38.000 Listen, I think that everybody is going to be forced to make choices in their daily life.

00:34:43.000 And those risks are going to change, obviously, based on where you live and what sort of job you have.

00:34:47.000 But what is the alternative?

00:34:48.000 Like, seriously, is Thomas Friedman suggesting that we're all supposed to shelter in place till July?

00:34:52.000 Thomas Friedman has his cush salary paid by the New York Times while he gets to sit in his apartment and write garbage for the pages of the op-ed.

00:34:59.000 Like, it's pretty easy for him to say this stuff.

00:35:01.000 I know people who are losing small businesses.

00:35:05.000 22 million people have lost their job in the last three weeks.

00:35:10.000 So Thomas Friedman suggests it may work out for some places and people.

00:35:14.000 It may not.

00:35:15.000 Every choice in dealing with this virus is fraught with huge trade-offs.

00:35:15.000 I don't know.

00:35:18.000 I just know three things.

00:35:19.000 First, this is the bet Trump is urging you to make in his liberate tweets when he should be ordering the National Guard and mobilizing American industry to get testing everywhere.

00:35:27.000 Second, this bet will fall very unfairly and unevenly in our society when so little testing and tracing is in place.

00:35:32.000 By the way, Wouldn't matter.

00:35:33.000 Even if the testing and tracing were available, every death is going to be blamed on Trump because the media have an interest in blaming the deaths on Trump.

00:35:39.000 I'm amazed at how the media have been able, so have Democrats, been able to turn this into a referendum on Trump.

00:35:43.000 Well, let's be real about this.

00:35:44.000 America has responded in the middle of the pack in Europe better than a lot of countries in Europe.

00:35:49.000 And I'm not seeing this sort of criticism levied against the Italian government or the Spanish government by many of the same people.

00:35:55.000 It's all about Trump, Trump all the time.

00:35:58.000 And then, Friedman says, By the way, I have a question.

00:36:04.000 Isn't that what it means to be a free human being?

00:36:08.000 That you're on your own to make certain decisions?

00:36:10.000 Like, isn't that one of the things that makes you a member of a free society?

00:36:15.000 I'm not saying that there aren't government mandates that are necessary.

00:36:18.000 I'm not saying that there aren't shutdown orders that are going to sometimes be necessary.

00:36:21.000 Or that there are quarantines that aren't going to be necessary.

00:36:24.000 But, once we have established whatever is the lowest risk we can establish, practically speaking, in forthright, timely manner, yes, that's called living a free life.

00:36:32.000 It's called understanding what the risks are and being responsible.

00:36:35.000 Again, being responsible.

00:36:36.000 I'm not saying everybody rush out and go to the beaches and start making out.

00:36:40.000 I'm saying be responsible.

00:36:41.000 And by the way, the media's coverage of this stuff is irresponsible.

00:36:45.000 I saw a picture of a Florida beach yesterday and people going nuts over it.

00:36:48.000 Oh my God, look at all the people on the Florida beach.

00:36:50.000 The picture was a lot of people on the beach, all of them six feet away from each other.

00:36:54.000 That's not dangerous, folks.

00:36:56.000 Okay, it isn't.

00:36:57.000 The number of people who have actually obtained this in China from being in outdoor spaces, according to one study, was two.

00:37:03.000 And it's two people who were standing right next to each other and talking for like 20 minutes.

00:37:07.000 Okay, that's...

00:37:09.000 We're seeing the sort of petty tyranny being crammed down on Americans at an increasingly rapid rate. 1.00

00:37:15.000 So Bill de Blasio is a perfect example of this, the idiot mayor of New York. 0.98

00:37:18.000 Who, by the way, I love that he was ripping the federal government and Trump while he was telling people they should go out and celebrate their lives in New York. 0.98

00:37:24.000 Didn't order a shutdown order in New York until nearly the end of March.

00:37:28.000 And then says we shouldn't look backward.

00:37:29.000 Now Bill de Blasio is telling you to inform on your parents, Stasi style, if they are not socially distancing.

00:37:37.000 I don't even know what this means.

00:37:38.000 Like you see two people and they walk three feet apart and you're supposed to send a picture to Bill de Blasio?

00:37:41.000 If you're talking about people who are violating shutdown orders, how about Bill de Blasio hiking in the park with his wife?

00:37:47.000 Which is apparently a thing he's been doing.

00:37:49.000 Here's the mayor of New York going full Stalin.

00:37:52.000 We still know there's some people who need to get the message.

00:37:55.000 And that means sometimes making sure the enforcement is there to educate people and make clear we gotta have social distancing.

00:38:02.000 So, now it is easier than ever.

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00:38:15.000 And now it's as simple as taking a photo.

00:38:18.000 All you gotta do is take the photo, and put the location with it, and bang!

00:38:24.000 Send a photo like this, and we will make sure that enforcement comes right away.

00:38:28.000 Is he high?

00:38:29.000 Like, are these people high?

00:38:31.000 Wha- Really?

00:38:33.000 How's that going to be effective?

00:38:34.000 How's that going to be effective?

00:38:35.000 You think the stores have an interest in people not socially distancing?

00:38:39.000 And if you see somebody who's talking with somebody and you call the cops on them, you think that the cop, like how many cops are there in New York City?

00:38:45.000 Half the force is out because they've got coronavirus.

00:38:47.000 What the hell is he talking about? 0.99

00:38:48.000 Okay, that wasn't even the worst example of local idiocy over the weekend. 1.00

00:38:52.000 There was a bunch of it in LA. 0.91

00:38:53.000 So I was driving around as I want to do with my children because as a normal human being, I like to put my children in the car and show them there is a broader world than just the roof of our house.

00:39:01.000 So we get in our car and we drive over to a city that's not insane, Burbank.

00:39:05.000 Okay, Burbank is a city that does not have the L.A.

00:39:07.000 city government.

00:39:07.000 This is why the Valley should have seceded from the city long ago in L.A.

00:39:10.000 Okay, Burbank has a... They have signs up at their parks that said, play responsibly, be responsible.

00:39:16.000 So you drove past some Burbank parks.

00:39:17.000 There were people outside.

00:39:18.000 There were people playing catch with their kids.

00:39:20.000 Guess what they all were doing?

00:39:21.000 Socially distancing.

00:39:22.000 Most of them were wearing masks.

00:39:24.000 Most people are responsible enough to handle freedom.

00:39:26.000 By the way, if you don't believe people are responsible enough to generally, in situations where freedom can be exercised, exercise freedom.

00:39:35.000 I don't know why you're living in a free country.

00:39:36.000 I really don't.

00:39:37.000 Okay, so Burbank is doing it right.

00:39:39.000 LA is doing it totally wrong.

00:39:40.000 They've shut down every park in the city, every single one, to the extent That we drove along Mulholland Drive yesterday.

00:39:46.000 The city of L.A.

00:39:47.000 had deployed workers to go to the turnoffs on Mulholland Drive, which are no bigger than this studio.

00:39:54.000 Okay, the turnoffs on Mulholland Drive are like seven square feet.

00:39:57.000 They had deployed people there to put yellow ribbon across the turnouts as though there were going to be masses of people gathering at these little turnouts on Mulholland Drive to spit on each other and give each other COVID. 0.54

00:40:09.000 OK, that wasn't even the dumbest thing. 0.74

00:40:11.000 Venice Beach. 0.95

00:40:12.000 Venice Beach.

00:40:13.000 They brought bulldozers to pile sand into the skate parks of Venice Beach.

00:40:19.000 Now, as you can see, this tape is taken during the day, right?

00:40:22.000 This is early morning, pretty obviously.

00:40:24.000 And they're piling giant piles of sand into the middle of the skate park, which presumably we're then going to have... It's great.

00:40:28.000 It's a great government employment program.

00:40:30.000 We dig holes and then we pay people to create the holes.

00:40:33.000 And then we are going to pay these people to clean up the holes in five minutes.

00:40:36.000 So they're piling sand there so that people will not be congregating and gathering there.

00:40:40.000 When, of course, people... Is there, like, great evidence that there are lots of people... Are you seeing tons of people there?

00:40:45.000 Like you can see in the video, there's no one there.

00:40:47.000 It's like six in the morning.

00:40:48.000 By the way, when people say, well, that's six in the morning, there aren't that many people on Venice Beach at six in the morning.

00:40:51.000 If you ever go to Venice Beach, there are lots of people who are walking the walkway at virtually every time during a non-pandemic time.

00:40:57.000 They filled in a freaking skate park with dirt because they don't trust you that much.

00:41:04.000 This is wild. 0.87

00:41:06.000 Okay, Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan is doing some of the same sort of stuff. 1.00

00:41:11.000 She's prevented you from going to your second house.

00:41:13.000 So if you have a house, like a lake house that's away from the city, she won't let you go from one house to the other.

00:41:18.000 She's preventing you from buying gardening supplies, Gretchen Whitmer. 1.00

00:41:21.000 And then Gretchen Whitmer suggested, no, I'm standing by these state lockdown policies.

00:41:25.000 They're good.

00:41:26.000 She's got it pretty easy.

00:41:27.000 She's apparently got a T-shirt maker who helps make T-shirts for her so that when she appears on Stephen Colbert, she can have her customized T-shirt just for Stephen Colbert.

00:41:35.000 But she's willing to shut down everybody's life over in Michigan. 0.94

00:41:38.000 Here she was on Meet the Press defending her policies.

00:41:40.000 Do you have any regrets on any of the restrictions that you have put into place?

00:41:47.000 I don't, and here's why.

00:41:49.000 You know, Michigan right now has the third highest number of deaths from COVID-19, and yet we're the 10th largest state.

00:41:56.000 We have a disproportionate problem in the state of Michigan, and so we could take the same kinds of actions other states have, but it doesn't rise to the challenge we're confronting, and that's precisely why we have to take a more aggressive stand.

00:42:09.000 It's working.

00:42:10.000 We are seeing the curve start to flatten.

00:42:13.000 By the way, there is not tremendous evidence, by the way, that states that have locked down are doing significantly better than states that have not locked down, because there are different states in the country.

00:42:20.000 There are people who are tweeting out statistics on the rise in COVID diagnoses in states like Texas and Florida.

00:42:25.000 Texas and Florida have basically flattened the curve, and neither one of them did a statewide lockdown the way that Gretchen Whitmer is doing a statewide lockdown. 0.96

00:42:30.000 Certainly, they're not preventing people from being in their gardens and gardening and buying seeds, or buying car seats, the way that Gretchen Whitmer was.

00:42:37.000 And then Gretchen Whitmer, she's just awful. 1.00

00:42:39.000 Gretchen Whitmer told Rachel Maddow there's a protest at Michigan's Capitol.

00:42:43.000 She said that that is the kind of irresponsible action that puts us in a situation where we might have to actually think about extending stay-at-home orders, which is supposedly what they are protesting.

00:42:52.000 So, in other words, if you protest, little kids, we are going to force you to stay in your houses even longer.

00:42:58.000 Do you get the feeling that some of these local officials are enjoying this power a little bit too much?

00:43:01.000 The petty authoritarians like to be petty authoritarians.

00:43:04.000 Getting that feeling?

00:43:06.000 So that is a problem because if you want people to trust the experts who stay home, you have to have the feeling they don't have an ulterior motive, which is to run for vice president in the case of Gretchen Whitmer and become a political hot button.

00:43:17.000 You also have to have the belief that the government is not maximizing its own presence in American lives because this is what government does and there are people who want to make it permanent.

00:43:26.000 And unfortunately, that suspicion is being justified each and every day by folks on the radical left as well.

00:43:32.000 Now, the new narrative is that government is everywhere now and we're all used to it.

00:43:35.000 Dan Balz has a piece over at the Washington Post.

00:43:38.000 He says Americans are experiencing the biggest expansion of government authority in generations as elected leaders take unprecedented action to fight the deadly coronavirus pandemic.

00:43:46.000 The role of government has changed overnight.

00:43:48.000 Despite a broad consensus behind this emergency surge in government spending and power, a huge debate over what government does and should do lies ahead.

00:43:55.000 That battle will be waged on terms that could be far different from those that existed before the pandemic, terms that have held sway since President Reagan arrived in Washington four decades ago, determined to put advocates of a vigorous government on the defensive for the first time since the New Deal.

00:44:07.000 The pandemic, says Dan Balz, has exposed crippling weaknesses in the federal government, Troubling vulnerabilities in society that will be more difficult to ignore when the crisis begins to ease.

00:44:16.000 For the first time, many Americans are looking to government for their very economic survival.

00:44:19.000 In time, that could make them look at government differently.

00:44:22.000 Well, I mean, can you hear Dan Balz praying for this to happen?

00:44:25.000 Can you?

00:44:25.000 Because this is where people start to lose it.

00:44:28.000 Where people start to lose it.

00:44:29.000 I've said this before.

00:44:30.000 I've been willing to go along with the measures that I think are scientifically justified.

00:44:35.000 I am not going to go along with the lockdown mentality that suggests that we need to fundamentally restructure American society because a virus hit us.

00:44:44.000 That this is now an excuse to fundamentally remake everything.

00:44:47.000 And Dan Balz is calling for that.

00:44:49.000 He says, The effects of hollowed out federal agencies, persistent underinvestment in public health, enormous gaps in coverage, disparities in care have been on daily display as the coronavirus spread rapidly this winter and spring.

00:45:00.000 So too have the effects of an economy whose benefits are distributed unequally.

00:45:04.000 There it is.

00:45:04.000 Leaving the richest Americans secure, while millions upon millions of middle and lower class families struggle, even in the best of times.

00:45:10.000 So, this is now an excuse for redistributionism.

00:45:13.000 It's an excuse for a complete remaking of American society.

00:45:16.000 And then you wonder why people are protesting?

00:45:18.000 And the media are condemning these people. 1.00

00:45:20.000 As idiots and fools, they're condemning these people as racist and bigots. 1.00

00:45:24.000 The Huffington Post was comparing them to the Charlottesville protesters. 1.00

00:45:28.000 If there are protesters out there who are white supremacists, I can guarantee you they are not nearly the majority.

00:45:33.000 This is not a white supremacist march. 1.00

00:45:35.000 If you see a white supremacist at one of these marches, first of all, the person's a scumbag. 1.00

00:45:40.000 Second of all, From what I've seen, those people are outliers, okay? 1.00

00:45:44.000 I've not been seeing huge swaths of white supremacists on these lawns.

00:45:48.000 I'm seeing a lot of citizens who own small businesses and want to go back to work.

00:45:52.000 And to compare them to the Charlottesville protesters, as the Huffington Post did today, is truly a radical move.

00:45:57.000 And then you wonder why people are like, okay, so I feel like you are using this here.

00:46:00.000 I feel like you're using this politically. 0.66

00:46:02.000 It's quite gross.

00:46:03.000 Now, in a second, I'm gonna talk about just how gross this is when we get to things I hate, because there's plenty to hate today.

00:46:09.000 Quick, a thing I like.

00:46:11.000 So I mentioned earlier, reading with your kids.

00:46:13.000 So one book that I've been reading with my kids, and it's kind of astonishing, my three-year-old even likes it, is Little House on the Prairie by Laura Ingalls Wilder.

00:46:19.000 Basically, if you want to learn how to build a house out of logs, this is the way to do it.

00:46:23.000 It has detailed descriptions of essentially how you build a house in the middle of nowhere.

00:46:27.000 Little House on the Prairie.

00:46:28.000 It's enjoyable.

00:46:29.000 It has now been labeled wrong-think by the politically correct, because there are descriptions of Native Americans that are not entirely flattering, because it was written from the perspective of a settler in Indian territory.

00:46:42.000 You can explain all that stuff to your kids.

00:46:43.000 There's a way to explain to your kids that there was legitimate conflict over this land.

00:46:46.000 I did this actually with my kids as we were talking about this.

00:46:49.000 The book itself is really enjoyable.

00:46:50.000 It's great.

00:46:51.000 And they have some illustrated versions if the kids like pictures that are really good.

00:46:54.000 So go check out Little House on the Prairie, plus the series.

00:46:56.000 My kids started watching the series.

00:46:57.000 I never watched it growing up.

00:46:58.000 The series is pretty great as well.

00:47:00.000 And my kids are really, really into it.

00:47:02.000 So go check out Little House on the Prairie.

00:47:03.000 Good, clean, fun.

00:47:04.000 Other things that I like.

00:47:05.000 So Bill Maher, there were two clips of Bill Maher that were going around over the weekend.

00:47:09.000 One clip of Bill Maher.

00:47:11.000 was a clip of him having a conversation with Representative Dan Crenshaw, my friend Dan Crenshaw.

00:47:16.000 And he is basically questioning Trump's coronavirus response, suggesting that it was really late and really bad.

00:47:21.000 And Dan really sort of re-educates him on the timeline and points out that you can certainly criticize President Trump, but let's be real about this.

00:47:29.000 Bill de Blasio was walking around in early March saying everything was fine.

00:47:32.000 Eric Garcetti in L.A.

00:47:33.000 was holding the L.A.

00:47:34.000 Marathon and saying he was right to do so on March 8th.

00:47:37.000 Foreign countries, many of them didn't lock down until mid-March.

00:47:40.000 So that clip has gone viral for good reason.

00:47:42.000 Dan does an excellent job of explaining all of this to Bill Markle.

00:47:44.000 I think when it comes to his coverage of the Trump administration has been taken in by the media narrative, which is that everything Trump does is wrong and everything his opponents do is right. 0.99

00:47:55.000 Now, Trump can do things wrong and his opponents can also suck. 0.93

00:47:58.000 Many of these things can be true. 1.00

00:47:59.000 It can be true that everyone is incompetent.

00:48:00.000 Government is awful at everything.

00:48:01.000 This is one of the most bizarre things about the call for radical revision of the nature of American government and its relationship with the citizens.

00:48:08.000 One of the things that's so bizarre and weird about it, frankly, is that the government has really blown this.

00:48:13.000 I mean, in massive, massive ways.

00:48:15.000 And your response is that in non-crisis times, that the government should run everything.

00:48:19.000 Anyway, so Bill Maher and Dan Crenshaw, that's a clip worth watching.

00:48:22.000 But the one I want to focus on is Bill Maher actually doing something right.

00:48:24.000 So Bill Maher, He went after the media over the weekend and he said that the members of the media are really enjoying this sort of panic porn.

00:48:33.000 And he is correct about this.

00:48:35.000 He is correct about this.

00:48:35.000 They are enjoying the panic porn.

00:48:38.000 Because many of them are sitting comfortably with their jobs.

00:48:41.000 Many of them don't have to get on the subway and go to work.

00:48:43.000 Many of them don't have to go to a job.

00:48:45.000 None of them are small business owners.

00:48:47.000 Here's Bill Maher pointing out, you know guys, we are going to have to reopen at some point and your panic porn is not helping.

00:48:53.000 You know, the problem with nonstop gloom and doom is it gives Trump the chance to play the optimist.

00:48:58.000 And optimists tend to win American elections.

00:49:03.000 FDR said, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. 1.00

00:49:08.000 You know, as full of shit as he is, I could see Trump riding that into a second term. 1.00

00:49:14.000 And then there will be no hope left for you to shame. 1.00

00:49:18.000 So, look, if this insanity happens again, News sources have to rein it in.

00:49:25.000 Everyone knows Corona is no walk in the park, because you literally can't walk in the park.

00:49:32.000 But at some point, the daily drumbeat of depression and terror veers into panic porn.

00:49:38.000 He is exactly right about this, and good for Bill Maher for pointing this out.

00:49:41.000 He got all sorts of flack for this.

00:49:43.000 It's not panic porn.

00:49:43.000 We're being responsible in our coverage.

00:49:45.000 The media have been utterly irresponsible in their coverage from day one on all this.

00:49:48.000 This is not to alleviate.

00:49:51.000 Any member of government for irresponsibility, Republican or Democrat, but the media's coverage of this stuff has been sheerly bad.

00:49:57.000 Really, really bad.

00:49:59.000 I mean, I don't consider myself world's best interviewer.

00:50:01.000 I've asked better questions on public policy to every major official involved in the decision-making process than nearly anybody who's at these press conferences at the White House because they are so busy focusing on, Mr. President, you tweeted this today and wasn't that very bad of you?

00:50:14.000 How about your actions back in February?

00:50:15.000 Were those really bad, Mr. President? 0.96

00:50:18.000 All the focus has been on Trump, because Trump is this black hole of attention that sucks in the media, and Trump enjoys it, because he likes the back and forth with the media.

00:50:25.000 He did a press conference yesterday where he was just going back and forth with NPR and CNN and the New York Times, and the American people are sitting there going, okay, so I'm not really fond of how Trump is treating the members of the media, but do I care? 0.93

00:50:37.000 Am I spending my days worrying about that?

00:50:39.000 But the members of the media are spending their days doing two things, talking up how dangerous this thing is, And not leading with the facts, not leading with the stats, not leading with the responsible coverage of what Americans can and cannot do.

00:50:51.000 I mean, if you read the media and all you read were the headlines, you would think that if you go outside, you will get this thing.

00:50:56.000 And that if you get this thing, you will die.

00:50:57.000 Right?

00:50:57.000 That both of those things are true.

00:50:58.000 If you go outside, if you touch a thing, anything, doesn't matter what it is, you will die.

00:51:02.000 If you walk outside your house without a mask, You're going to die.

00:51:05.000 It doesn't matter if there's a person for a hundred miles around, you will die.

00:51:08.000 That is the nature of the media coverage that has been pushed to this point.

00:51:12.000 And Maher's right, that is going to benefit Trump.

00:51:13.000 Because if it turns out that all of the insane overwrought coverage by the media, if that overwrought coverage results in Trump saying, listen, it's going to be bad, we're going to make it through this thing, and then we make it through this thing, they're going to be hard pressed to explain why.

00:51:27.000 Okay, time for a thing that I hate.

00:51:34.000 Alrighty, so you can see the narrative starting to change.

00:51:37.000 The narrative is starting to change for the left.

00:51:39.000 And the narrative is going to be that President Trump didn't just blow this thing. 0.99

00:51:44.000 President Trump blew this thing because he is a racist. 0.96

00:51:47.000 That is the way that this is going to move. 0.96

00:51:49.000 And the reason that it's going to move this way for the left is because this is always the way it moves for Republicans.

00:51:54.000 So during Hurricane Katrina, the initial rip on President Bush was that President Bush handled it incompetently.

00:52:00.000 The federal government, FEMA, should have been there. 0.99

00:52:02.000 That heck of a job, Brownie. 1.00

00:52:03.000 It was not a heck of a job. 0.71

00:52:05.000 Then it quickly moved into the reason, the reason that George W. Bush mishandled Katrina is because it affected And because George W. Bush didn't like black people.

00:52:14.000 So I predicted a couple of weeks ago, this was the direction the narrative was going to move.

00:52:17.000 Was that the Trump administration blew the response, and the reason they blew the response is because they didn't care enough about minorities.

00:52:22.000 So the New York Times has been running with headlines nearly every day that are almost exactly the parodic headline once suggested about the New York Times.

00:52:31.000 There's a very famous joke back in the 60s and 70s, the New York Times is going to run a headline saying, Asteroid to Destroy Earth Tomorrow, Women and Minorities Hardest Hit.

00:52:39.000 And that's basically the coverage they're running now.

00:52:41.000 The coverage they are running is coronavirus to destroy all of America and world society, women and minorities hardest hit.

00:52:47.000 Although in this case, it would be men and minorities because women are actually being less hard hit than men are.

00:52:52.000 Well, here is the problem with that.

00:52:54.000 Coronavirus is a threat to everyone right now.

00:52:57.000 And if you're looking at sort of the cross-cutting currents in terms of threat, race is not the best corollary.

00:53:03.000 Race does not correlate the best. 0.99

00:53:05.000 Race does not correlate the best. 0.99

00:53:06.000 Okay, what correlates the best is pre-existing health conditions and age.

00:53:09.000 Those are the things that correlate. 0.96

00:53:11.000 Because it's not like the virus is killing black people versus white people. 0.73

00:53:15.000 The virus is killing people who have diabetes versus people who don't have diabetes.

00:53:19.000 The virus does not prey on people as a matter of race.

00:53:21.000 It preys on people as a matter of pre-existing health condition and as a matter of age.

00:53:25.000 Scientifically speaking, your melanin level has nothing to do whatsoever with how the virus affects you.

00:53:30.000 Now, there may be a higher correlation of pre-existing health conditions and age, and poverty which leads to pre-existing health conditions, with particular races.

00:53:41.000 But that does not mean that the virus is racist, and it also does not mean that if you are black, and if you are overweight, and if you have diabetes, that the reason that you are dying of coronavirus is because American society is racist.

00:53:55.000 There are a lot of decisions, a whole chain of decisions that go into how people eat, how people live.

00:54:01.000 Maybe it's partially the legacy of racism.

00:54:03.000 Maybe it's partially the legacy of what you do on a daily basis. 0.90

00:54:06.000 But what we are starting to see is a shift in the media and in the coverage toward America is racist and that's why more black people are dying. 0.98

00:54:12.000 Right, which is the same as America is racist and that's why more black people are poor. 0.88

00:54:16.000 Okay, not America was racist and therefore there are lingering effects of racism in American society.

00:54:23.000 America continues to be racist and that's why we have to fundamentally restructure American society now.

00:54:27.000 It's inarguable that there are always aftereffects of history for everyone at every time.

00:54:31.000 There are after effects of history.

00:54:32.000 And then the question is whether the stuff that is happening right now is the impact of systems that are in place right now.

00:54:37.000 And the left suggestion is that America Is that the racial inequalities that we see right now are a reflection of a current inequity in America that must be rectified by completely remaking the American system.

00:54:49.000 That is the direction we are moving.

00:54:51.000 So Ilhan Omar, of course, who puts this in the most bumper sticker fashion.

00:54:56.000 She says the other day that the virus isn't racist.

00:54:58.000 It's the systems we have in place that are racist.

00:55:00.000 The medical system, for example, is racist.

00:55:02.000 Now, what is the what is the evidence she has that the medical system of America is racist?

00:55:07.000 She doesn't really present any.

00:55:09.000 But the idea is that on a plain level, if more black people as a percentage are dying than white people, that means that the system itself is racist.

00:55:16.000 Not that the system was racist 20, 30 years ago, 40 years ago.

00:55:20.000 That segregation was a bad thing that has impact in terms of wealth ownership and that may have impact in terms of your ability to buy care because you don't have as much historic wealth.

00:55:30.000 Okay, that's an argument.

00:55:31.000 But that's not the argument she's making.

00:55:32.000 She's making the argument that today all of our systems are racist because of that inequality.

00:55:36.000 All inequality is inequity in today's system.

00:55:38.000 So here's Ilhan Omar making that argument.

00:55:41.000 The virus isn't racist, but the systems we have in place are racist.

00:55:48.000 If we do not ...holistically address the kind of injustices that have existed within our systems, then we will not be able to fight this virus in the way that we need to, and we will not be prepared for other pandemics to come.

00:56:07.000 So, socialism is the solution to the virus.

00:56:10.000 Complete redistribution.

00:56:11.000 Slavery reparations.

00:56:12.000 These are the answers to the virus.

00:56:14.000 Which, of course, is absolute nonsense.

00:56:15.000 Because this refuses to even do the analysis necessary to demonstrate that higher rates of obesity in the black community are due to segregation in 1964.

00:56:23.000 You actually have to show the relationship.

00:56:26.000 And, more than that, you have to show that if you sign everybody a check, that's going to fix everything.

00:56:30.000 Which, of course, it is not going to fix.

00:56:31.000 Okay?

00:56:32.000 It ain't.

00:56:32.000 That's not going to fix it.

00:56:33.000 We've been trying to sign checks to people who are impoverished in this country for going on 40, 50 years, really since the New Deal, but certainly since the Great Society.

00:56:40.000 It has not alleviated the inequalities among communities of color.

00:56:45.000 Signing a check ain't going to do it.

00:56:46.000 Okay, so Bernie Sanders is trying the same thing.

00:56:48.000 Bernie Sanders has a piece in the New York Times today.

00:56:50.000 It's called, The Foundations of American Society Are Failing Us.

00:56:53.000 You wonder why people are protesting? 0.98

00:56:54.000 The reason people are protesting is because they are deeply suspicious, and correctly so, that people like Bernie Sanders are reveling in this crisis as an opportunity to fundamentally reshape American society, divide us along racial lines, and then claim that if we want to go back to work, or if we disagree with his restructuring of American society, it's because we hate black people. 0.97

00:57:11.000 Right?

00:57:11.000 That is the next step in the media's narrative, is that if you want to go back to work, if you think that we have to Acknowledge the risks to American society and also acknowledge that, by the way, the people who are losing their jobs are disproportionately black and Hispanic and low income.

00:57:24.000 And those people do need jobs.

00:57:25.000 I mean, they're going to need to work.

00:57:27.000 Now, I want them to work.

00:57:28.000 They want to work.

00:57:30.000 Everybody wants to work.

00:57:31.000 But the idea is that if you acknowledge this sort of stuff and you don't call instead for a government top-down reparations program that levels all of America's economic wealth, it's because you're a racist.

00:57:40.000 This is the direction they're moving.

00:57:42.000 So Bernie Sanders has this piece in the New York Times.

00:57:44.000 He says, we are the richest country in the history of the world, but at a time of massive income and wealth inequality, that reality means little to half of our people who live paycheck to paycheck, the 40 million living in poverty, the 87 million who are uninsured or underinsured, the half million who are homeless.

00:58:00.000 In the midst of the twin crises that we face, coronavirus pandemic, and the meltdown of our economy, it is imperative we re-examine some of the foundations of American society, understand why they are failing us, and fight for a fairer and more just nation.

00:58:13.000 And then he talks about Medicare for all.

00:58:15.000 And then he suggests that we have a Byzantine network of medical institutions dominated by profit-making interests of insurance and drug companies.

00:58:23.000 By the way, the hospitals are all losing money during this.

00:58:25.000 And the hospitals are having to shut down because they're not doing surgery on demand.

00:58:32.000 Right, but then Bernie gets to his main point.

00:58:34.000 He tries to tie this to racism.

00:58:36.000 He says it's true that poor and working class people are suffering higher rates of sickness, are dying at much higher rates than wealthy people, which by the way has been true for all of human history, is that poor people are less healthy generally than wealthy people, and have less access to resources than wealthy people because they're not wealthy.

00:58:49.000 This is just a reality.

00:58:51.000 And that does not mean that the system is racist, but he says it is because the system is racist.

00:58:56.000 He talks about how we should, while doctors and governors and mayors tell us we should isolate ourselves and stay at home, and rich people head to their second homes in less populated states, working class people don't have these options.

00:59:06.000 So what we really need is, he says, many in our country are now beginning to rethink the basic assumptions underlying the American value system.

00:59:13.000 He says, should we really continue along the path of greed and unfettered capitalism?

00:59:17.000 Or should we go forward in a very new direction?

00:59:20.000 He says we should follow the path of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who knew that economic rights must be considered human rights.

00:59:26.000 So we're going to use the back of this pandemic in order to completely reshift how Americans interact with their government and what government is supposed to do.

00:59:33.000 He says, the new America must fight to end starvation, wages, and guarantee a decent paying job to those who are able to work.

00:59:39.000 By the way, you know what just happened?

00:59:41.000 22 million people lost their decent paying jobs, thanks to the government.

00:59:46.000 He says that we have to undertake massive construction programs that end homelessness.

00:59:50.000 Okay, they've tried this in Seattle.

00:59:52.000 Turns out a lot of people would prefer to live on the streets.

00:59:54.000 Some people are, it's very difficult to keep them in housing because many of them are drug addicts and schizophrenics.

00:59:59.000 Like this is a, it's a deeper thing than you just build a house and a homeless person has a house now.

01:00:02.000 That's not the way, I wish it were that easy.

01:00:04.000 If it were that easy, we'd all be on board.

01:00:07.000 He says, I get very tired of the politicians and pundits who tell us how difficult it is to bring about fundamental changes in our society.

01:00:12.000 It always seems impossible until it is done.

01:00:15.000 Nelson Mandela is widely reported to have said, let's get to work and get it done.

01:00:18.000 Yeah, quoting Nelson Mandela definitely is going to fill in for a plan you don't have.

01:00:23.000 But this is the next move.

01:00:25.000 And this is why people are protesting.

01:00:26.000 People are saying, We can see you using this for your political point-making, for your political point-scoring.

01:00:33.000 The New York Times has a piece today titled, How the Coronavirus Became a New Frontier in the Fight for Civil Rights.

01:00:38.000 Collectively, the goals are targeted legislation, financial investment, government and corporate accountability.

01:00:43.000 Jesse Jackson is calling for the creation of a new Kerner Commission to document the racism and discrimination built into public policies that make the pandemic measurably worse for some African Americans.

01:00:54.000 So we're going to divide the country in a time when it needs to be unified in order to score political points.

01:01:00.000 And then when people protest and say, listen, I think that you're using this for ancillary purposes.

01:01:05.000 I think that you are using this crisis for ancillary purposes.

01:01:08.000 For many politicians like Gavin Newsom to fill in your state budget with federal dollars.

01:01:12.000 For politicians like Bernie Sanders to fundamentally reshift the nature of American free markets.

01:01:17.000 For race-baiting politicians to divide us along the lines of race and suggest that America continues to be, not was, continues to be fundamentally racist at its core.

01:01:24.000 The Beto O'Rourke view of America and its history.

01:01:28.000 And then Americans say, well, you know what?

01:01:29.000 I'm kind of suspicious of you guys.

01:01:31.000 I'm kind of suspicious.

01:01:32.000 How about we're responsible and we'd like to reopen?

01:01:32.000 How about this?

01:01:34.000 And then the Huffington Post labels you a protester from Charlottesville.

01:01:38.000 Seriously.

01:01:41.000 The Huffington Post has a piece today Says the president's enabling response of right-wing protesters echoed his handling of the 2017 violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville.

01:01:52.000 I have a question.

01:01:53.000 And Trump said you're allowed to protest.

01:01:55.000 I watched a protest.

01:01:56.000 They were all six feet apart.

01:01:57.000 I mean, it was a very orderly group of people.

01:01:59.000 Some of the things that happened are not so appropriate.

01:02:01.000 But in the end, it's not going to matter because we're starting to open up our state. 0.98

01:02:06.000 To equate everybody who's protesting to go back to work with people who hate black people is just insane. 0.99

01:02:14.000 I'm sorry, it's nuts. 0.98

01:02:16.000 But this is the way, this is the narrative.

01:02:20.000 This is the narrative.

01:02:21.000 Everyone who's protesting is bad-hearted.

01:02:23.000 Everyone who wants to reopen society is a racist.

01:02:26.000 Everyone who doesn't want to remake the American system on the back of a pandemic is denying the realities of fundamental American evil.

01:02:33.000 You want to divide everybody and make people, you know, basically ignore government orders and go back to work?

01:02:36.000 This is pretty much how you do it.

01:02:38.000 You want people to pay attention to the experts?

01:02:39.000 They have to be disinterested.

01:02:41.000 Disinterested experts have to be disinterested.

01:02:43.000 It can't be Bernie.

01:02:44.000 It can't be Kamala Harris.

01:02:46.000 It can't be Ilhan Omar.

01:02:47.000 It can't be Gavin Newsom pushing the progressive policies on the back of the worst crisis in modern American history.

01:02:53.000 You can't do that.

01:02:54.000 And you can't do that while making excuses about, like, how we need 20 million tests a day.

01:02:58.000 That's just not realistic.

01:03:00.000 Alrighty.

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01:03:03.000 Otherwise, we'll see you here tomorrow.

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01:03:42.000 Thousands take to the streets around the country to protest draconian lockdowns.

01:03:45.000 The liberals and the squishes are furious, but President Trump is cheering them on. 1.00

01:03:49.000 And believe it or not, the anti-lockdown protesters are getting some encouragement from one of the world's leading public health experts.

01:03:56.000 Then, Congressman Dan Crenshaw destroys Bill Maher's anti-Trump talking points.

01:04:01.000 Harvard tries to ban homeschooling, and Brian Stelter cries.

The Ben Shapiro Show - April 20, 2020

Testing, Testing | Ep. 993

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