The Ben Shapiro Show - How Reopening Became Political | Ep. 994

00:00:00.000 Well, the media insists that the right is to blame for politicizing this pandemic.

00:00:04.000 They continue to insist that those pushing for reopening are inherently deplorable.

00:00:07.000 President Trump moves to cut off green cards.

00:00:09.000 And Bill de Blasio finds out that criminals commit crimes.

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00:01:09.000 Also, worth noting, have you noticed that the market is a little bit volatile right now?

00:01:12.000 When I say a little bit volatile, I mean insane.

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00:02:35.000 Okay, so this pandemic is becoming more and more political.

00:02:39.000 This is perfectly expected.

00:02:41.000 People simply cannot avoid the politicization of major issues.

00:02:46.000 And as we'll see, this politicization, in my opinion, is starting from the left.

00:02:51.000 It is happening in the media.

00:02:52.000 It is happening from people who desire to use this crisis as an opportunity to push their political priors.

00:02:58.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:02:59.000 If you're a conservative, your political priors are not being pushed right now.

00:03:02.000 I mean, truly, they're not being pushed right now.

00:03:03.000 There are certain natural things that are happening, like decoupling from China. 0.99

00:03:06.000 That's just a natural reaction to what's going on.

00:03:08.000 How could you not decouple from a country that's been lying ad infinitum for years?

00:03:13.000 And now their lies caused a global pandemic and a worldwide economic meltdown. 1.00

00:03:17.000 That decoupling is just a natural consequence of the fact that China is an authoritarian garbage state. 0.99

00:03:22.000 So that's sort of a natural thing. 0.96

00:03:23.000 That's not a political thing.

00:03:24.000 Do you think conservatives are super happy about the lockdown policies?

00:03:27.000 I don't think so.

00:03:28.000 But a lot of conservatives were saying, OK, well, you know, if we got to lock down for the moment so that we can get this thing under control and not overwhelm our health care system, then let's go ahead and do that.

00:03:35.000 You think that confirmed political priors for conservatives?

00:03:38.000 I don't think so.

00:03:39.000 But I'm seeing a lot of folks on the left whose political priors are being confirmed.

00:03:42.000 And you can really tell this when the president takes action that should be pretty obvious and suddenly it's wildly controversial.

00:03:47.000 So.

00:03:48.000 Last night, President Trump tweeted out, in light of the attack from our invisible enemy, and he's talking here about coronavirus, of course, as well as the need to protect the jobs of our great American citizens, I will be signing an executive order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States.

00:04:01.000 And this has made people absolutely crazy.

00:04:03.000 How could Trump suspend immigration into the United States?

00:04:05.000 First, practically speaking, immigration is suspended.

00:04:07.000 Courts are not processing green cards and visas right now.

00:04:10.000 If you're looking for a travel visa, now would not be the time to do it.

00:04:12.000 European countries have been shutting down travel inside Europe.

00:04:15.000 The so-called Schengen Zone, which was an area of free travel, has basically been shut down right now.

00:04:20.000 Countries are shutting their borders to each other inside the EU.

00:04:23.000 Singapore is seeing travelers come back, people who had visas come back to Singapore, and spiking a second wave of infections in Singapore right now.

00:04:31.000 Okay, and so, why would we not be suspending immigration right now?

00:04:35.000 On a practical level, the executive order, we'll see how it's worded, but it probably isn't actually going to do very much.

00:04:40.000 Also, does the president have a point that we don't actually need a huge base of more labor coming into the country right now?

00:04:47.000 I mean, yeah, I mean, we have a surplus of labor right now.

00:04:51.000 You're not going to have the wages artificially lowered by having more immigrants come into the country right now because there are just too many people out of work. 1.00

00:04:59.000 You have 22-30 million people out of work right now.

00:05:03.000 So you've got the health issue, you've got the economic issue, you always have concerns about immigration.

00:05:08.000 And the concerns about immigration, to begin with, were always about What our immigration policy should look like.

00:05:14.000 On the one side, you had people who were sort of suggesting that people have a right to immigrate to the United States, which of course is silly and not true.

00:05:19.000 On the other side, you had people who said, if you want to immigrate to the United States, you have to show how you are going to be a net benefit to the United States.

00:05:24.000 And that's why Trump has even said that migrant workers who constitute a heavy share of labor in places like California will continue to be allowed into the United States, even under this executive order.

00:05:33.000 So the media are covering this as though this is just Trump confirming his political priors that he doesn't like immigration.

00:05:38.000 But the fact is, Just because it confirms his political priors doesn't necessarily mean that he is wrong in this particular case.

00:05:44.000 And I find it very bizarre that the same Democratic Party, which has now flipped on whether we should have banned travel from China in January.

00:05:51.000 Remember a couple of weeks ago, Joe Biden flipped his position on this thing.

00:05:53.000 Now they're playing exactly the same game with Trump.

00:05:56.000 Trump says, we're going to have to shut our borders for a bit.

00:05:58.000 And the Democrats are like, no, that's bad.

00:06:00.000 How could you do that sort of thing?

00:06:01.000 Very terrible.

00:06:02.000 Very, very terrible.

00:06:03.000 On any sort of rational level, I don't think a lot of Americans are looking forward to taking in millions of people who are not properly vetted, who have not been checked for health, and presumably who are going to increase the labor base at a time when you don't... It's one thing to increase the labor base when you have more openings than people willing to fill them.

00:06:20.000 It is another thing to increase the labor base at a time when you have 30 million people out of work.

00:06:25.000 According to the New York Times, in recent weeks, the Trump administration has said health concerns justified moving swiftly to bar asylum seekers and undocumented immigrants from entering the country.

00:06:32.000 Alarming immigration advocates who have said that Trump and his advisors were using a global pandemic to further hardline immigration policies.

00:06:39.000 Well, if you're an undocumented immigrant, you know what's kind of hard to do?

00:06:41.000 Vet your health background.

00:06:43.000 Now, of course, we should be not allowing people to cross the border illegally right now.

00:06:47.000 Are you kidding?

00:06:48.000 There's a good case we shouldn't be allowed- I mean, people were crossing the border legally and they infected the American population to the tune of a minimum of 800-700,000 infections to date, right? 0.62

00:06:57.000 And those are just the infections that we know about.

00:06:59.000 The actual number of infections is probably ten times that.

00:07:02.000 The president's late night announcement on Monday signals his most wide-ranging attempt yet to seal the country off from the rest of the world, as though everybody else is not doing this.

00:07:09.000 Everyone is doing this!

00:07:10.000 Like, look at other countries.

00:07:11.000 They're sealing off their own borders.

00:07:13.000 Everyone right now.

00:07:13.000 Israel shut down its borders.

00:07:16.000 South Korea shut down its borders.

00:07:17.000 Countries have shut down their borders.

00:07:18.000 Why? 1.00

00:07:19.000 Because you're an idiot not to shut down your borders right now. 1.00

00:07:22.000 Like, Florida tried to shut its borders to New Yorkers. 1.00

00:07:24.000 What are we even talking about?

00:07:26.000 Like, why is this controversial?

00:07:27.000 Because again, political priors matter more than actual policy considerations.

00:07:32.000 And it's because Americans are starting to see political priors take the place of considered policy ramifications that they are becoming very skeptical of the left-wing view that we have to lock down forever and for all time, which seems to be one of the views, right?

00:07:47.000 When people are saying we're going to lock down until there are 20 million tests available per day, okay, well, when pigs fly, then I guess we can get out of lockdown.

00:07:54.000 Sure, sure.

00:07:55.000 And we'll get to more of this in just one second.

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00:09:20.000 Alrighty, so...

00:09:22.000 First, there's this controversy over the immigration shutdown.

00:09:26.000 Workers who have for years received visas to perform specialized jobs in the United States would be denied permission to arrive, though some workers in industries deemed critical will be exempted from the ban, apparently.

00:09:34.000 That will include healthcare workers, so people who are tweeting out stats as to how many immigrants are in the healthcare system.

00:09:39.000 Those people will still be allowed to come in and work.

00:09:43.000 The number of visas issued to foreigners abroad looking to immigrate to the United States has already declined by about 25% in this fiscal year.

00:09:49.000 It's set to decline still further.

00:09:51.000 This should not be all that controversial.

00:09:53.000 Nonetheless, it is massively controversial.

00:09:55.000 The New York Times obviously is ripping this thing up and down, suggesting that it is all basically a lie.

00:10:02.000 Under an executive order, the Trump administration will no longer approve applications from foreigners to live and work in the U.S.

00:10:06.000 for an undetermined period of time, effectively shutting down the legal immigration system in the same way the president has long advocated closing the borders to illegal immigration.

00:10:15.000 So, again, do I think that this is a violation of law?

00:10:18.000 No, he's got pretty broad authority in this area.

00:10:20.000 The president has pretty significant authority when it comes to borders and immigration.

00:10:25.000 Beyond that, now is a good time to shut the borders.

00:10:27.000 I mean, that's just the reality of the situation.

00:10:29.000 Meanwhile, speaking of people who are confirming their political priors, so yesterday, oil futures completely dumped.

00:10:34.000 I mean, down to negative $37.63.

00:10:38.000 People were paying people to take barrels of oil off their hands.

00:10:42.000 Why?

00:10:42.000 Well, because there literally is no storage facility.

00:10:44.000 The fact is that right now what we are watching is a collapse in demand.

00:10:48.000 And this is one of the problems is when you talk about the recovery, one of the things that you have to look at is how much has the underlying demand curve actually changed because people's behavior has changed.

00:10:57.000 So nobody's driving right now.

00:10:58.000 The oil industry isn't tanking for financial reasons or systemic reasons.

00:11:01.000 It is tanking because no one is driving.

00:11:04.000 And because businesses are not operating and that means that nobody has any use for oil.

00:11:07.000 So there's a glut of oil on the market and oil has an expiration date and it needs to be refined and it's more expensive right now to refine it than it would be to just dump it at this point and do nothing with it.

00:11:17.000 And so the futures contracts which are going to take Hold in May on May 1st.

00:11:22.000 Basically, the oil companies are betting that there will be no buyers for the oil and there will be a complete glut of oil.

00:11:27.000 So this is obviously not great for the oil industry because if they can't make profit, then they are going to start shutting down the pumping.

00:11:34.000 And what you're going to see is that these oil companies are not supremely flexible, that as the economy ramps back up, they're going to start pumping again, but slower.

00:11:43.000 American fracking is actually a lot more flexible and is going to fill some of that gap, which is not a bad thing for American fracking.

00:11:48.000 But when I say confirming political priors, let me show you a perfect example.

00:11:53.000 The oil prices dump in historic fashion.

00:11:55.000 Historic fashion, right?

00:11:56.000 According to the New York Times, prices went negative, meaning that anyone trying to sell a barrel would have to pay a buyer 30 bucks, in part because of the way oil is traded.

00:12:03.000 Futures contracts that require buyers to take possession of oil in May are expiring on Tuesday.

00:12:08.000 Nobody wants the oil because there's no place to store it. 1.00

00:12:10.000 So AOC immediately tweets out a couple of absolutely asinine things because she is a moron, okay? 1.00

00:12:17.000 Not gonna sugarcoat this. 1.00

00:12:18.000 Representative Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez has the IQ of a kumquat. 0.99

00:12:22.000 Maybe a loquat on the upper end. 1.00

00:12:24.000 Okay, she really just, she is just an idiot. 1.00

00:12:27.000 Okay, so she tweets out, you would absolutely love to see it. 1.00

00:12:30.000 This, along with record low interest rates, means it's the right time for worker-led mass investment in green infrastructure to save our planet.

00:12:37.000 Cough.

00:12:38.000 Okay, so I'm not sure why she's coughing.

00:12:40.000 I mean, I hope that all is well with AOC's health, but First of all, to celebrate, you absolutely love to see the collapse of the oil industry that supports tens of thousands of American jobs.

00:12:51.000 Really?

00:12:51.000 That's good?

00:12:52.000 So she deleted that one. 1.00

00:12:53.000 But then, she put up a new tweet, and her new tweet is just as stupid. 0.99

00:12:57.000 She tweets, now is the time to create millions of good jobs, building out the infrastructure and clean energy necessary to save our planet for future generations, for our economy, our planet and our future. 0.99

00:13:06.000 We need a green new deal.

00:13:07.000 I don't think she understands how prices work.

00:13:10.000 She's read out this snapshot is being acknowledged as a turning point in the climate movement.

00:13:14.000 Fossil fuels are in long term structural decline.

00:13:17.000 This, along with low interest rates, means it's the right time to create millions of jobs, transitioning to renewable and clean energy, a key opportunity.

00:13:25.000 What in the actual F is she talking about?

00:13:28.000 Oil, they're paying you to take oil.

00:13:30.000 And she's like, this is a great time to invest in windmills.

00:13:33.000 Great time to invest in windmills.

00:13:35.000 Was she dropped on her head as a small child?

00:13:37.000 I can't think of any other explanation.

00:13:39.000 BU needs to get, she should get a, I'm gonna advocate for AOC to get her college tuition waived from BU, because she did not get her money's worth. 1.00

00:13:50.000 She was an econ double major at BU, and somehow she graduated with a degree.

00:13:53.000 This does not speak well of Boston University.

00:13:56.000 So if she's looking for a legal advocate for her free tuition at BU, she didn't get anything for her money. 0.99

00:14:01.000 There was no consideration in that particular contract.

00:14:03.000 When the price of oil is zero, that is a horrible time to invest in windmills and green energy.

00:14:08.000 What the F are you talking about?

00:14:09.000 This is sort of like saying, you know, did you see there's a glut of chocolate on the market?

00:14:14.000 The price of chocolate is zero.

00:14:16.000 Like it's literally zero.

00:14:17.000 You could walk into the supermarket right now and just pick up, they'll pay you to take bags of chocolate back to your house.

00:14:22.000 Have you ever thought of a better time to buy kale?

00:14:25.000 What?

00:14:26.000 What are you?

00:14:27.000 What?

00:14:28.000 Like, the whole point is, now's a great time to fill up your car, right?

00:14:32.000 Now's a horrible time to invest in expensive alternative energies, when the pri- like, does she not understand the purpose of a carbon tax, right? 0.82

00:14:38.000 The purpose of a carbon tax is to artificially raise the price of oil, to artificially raise the price of filling your car, so that it creates an economic incentive for you to instead invest in more expensive alternative energies, which, thanks to the raised price of oil, would now be lower in cost than the oil.

00:14:53.000 But if the prices of oil drop, no one in the- like, are you buying an energy-efficient vehicle for more money?

00:14:58.000 When the cost of oil is zero? 1.00

00:15:01.000 She's a full-scale idiot. 1.00

00:15:02.000 But again, this is confirmation bias at work, right? 1.00

00:15:04.000 She's just confirming her priors.

00:15:06.000 She's just confirming her priors.

00:15:08.000 And when you see people confirming their priors, their priors, it does make you suspicious.

00:15:14.000 It does make you suspicious.

00:15:16.000 That people are not being honest about broad-scale public policy.

00:15:20.000 See, right now, if you want people to take life-altering measures, like staying at home, like keeping their kids at home, no summer camps, no movies, no restaurants, no eating out, you want people to shelter in place, you're gonna need a high level of trust.

00:15:35.000 And that trust is gonna have to be based on the idea that you are not doing this for an ulterior motive.

00:15:41.000 Think about your daily life.

00:15:42.000 There's so many things where you rely on people not having an ulterior motive.

00:15:47.000 Somebody says to you that you bring your car in, your car is broken, you bring it to an auto body shop, and they say, okay, well, we need to replace the transmission.

00:15:55.000 And then you find out that they are being subsidized by the transmission company, and for every transmission they sell, they're getting a $200 kickback.

00:16:03.000 Well, that's going to change your math on whether you actually need to replace the transmission, isn't it?

00:16:06.000 You're going to think to yourself, oh, this person has an ulterior motive.

00:16:08.000 Maybe they're not being honest with me.

00:16:11.000 In order for there to be any level of trust in the most broad-ranging and deep measures in American history, there is going to, I mean, in terms of civilian populations, there's gonna have to be a high level of trust.

00:16:23.000 That trust is being undermined each and every day by partisan actors who obviously are attempting to confirm their own priors rather than looking at the actual events on the ground.

00:16:32.000 We're gonna get to more of this in just one second.

00:16:35.000 Plus, there is some good news, right?

00:16:37.000 There is some good news, and that is that there is Some again more information more and more information coming out that this thing is not nearly as deadly as we had previously supposed that doesn't mean that it is that it is not deadly it does not mean that it is not easily transmitted but study after study after study is now showing that the actual infection fatality rate meaning the number of people who are infected right on the denominator the number of people who are dead in the numerator right that that that percentage is actually A lot lower than we've been led to believe.

00:17:04.000 We're going to get to that in just one second.

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00:18:30.000 So, another piece of good news.

00:18:32.000 I've been telling you about these studies and this is like just the latest, right?

00:18:35.000 Study after study after study.

00:18:38.000 Showing that the actual number of people who are infected in society is far higher than the number of people who are dying, and that the case fatality rate, the infection fatality rate, is the total number of infected.

00:18:48.000 Case fatality rate is the number of confirmed cases, so I've been using case fatality rate for weeks.

00:18:52.000 Really should have been saying infection fatality rate to be a little more exact.

00:18:55.000 Okay, the infection fatality rate is a lot lower than people have been saying.

00:19:00.000 According to hot-air John Sexton writing, earlier this month, researchers from the University of Southern California Keck School of Medicine set up drive-thru testing sites in six locations around L.A.

00:19:08.000 County.

00:19:08.000 The researchers used a proprietary database they say is representative of the entire county and gave people an antibody test.

00:19:14.000 What they found is that far more people in L.A.

00:19:16.000 County have had the virus than are aware of it.

00:19:18.000 The research is unfinished.

00:19:19.000 It hasn't yet been peer-reviewed.

00:19:20.000 But L.A.

00:19:21.000 County public health officials published the early results.

00:19:24.000 They show that around 4% of people in L.A.

00:19:25.000 County already had the virus.

00:19:28.000 Adjusting the estimate for statistical margin of error, that means anywhere from 2.8% to 5.6% of the county's adult population has antibodies to the virus.

00:19:36.000 That translates to anywhere from 221,000 to 442,000 adults in L.A.

00:19:38.000 221,000 to 442,000 adults in LA County alone who have had the infection.

00:19:43.000 The number of COVID-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600.

00:19:49.000 The press release doesn't do the math.

00:19:51.000 What that actually means is that the death rate currently for coronavirus, with a current death toll of 617, if you took 4.1% right in that mid-range, you're looking at a death rate of something like 0.2%, which is about twice the rate of the flu.

00:20:03.000 So the good news is that a lot of people may have had this with few, if any, symptoms.

00:20:07.000 The bad news is that the L.A.

00:20:09.000 County case rate is still only 5%, so we are not close to herd immunity.

00:20:14.000 But it is also true that there is not really herd immunity to the flu.

00:20:18.000 There's not herd immunity to the flu, but there have been several studies at this point.

00:20:23.000 There's one from Wuhan, one from the Netherlands, I talked about it, one from Massachusetts, one from King County, Washington, one from the hospital in New York, and all of them are showing that the actual case fatality rate is a lot lower than has been shown, right?

00:20:38.000 That it is anywhere from 0.2% to 0.6% on the upper end probably, okay?

00:20:42.000 That is good news.

00:20:43.000 I mean, that means this thing is a lot less deadly than previously supposed.

00:20:46.000 And again, if you are young and you are healthy, the chances that you are gonna die from this thing are exceedingly low, which is why I've been suggesting that testing is really designed to do one thing and one thing only professionally.

00:20:56.000 Prevent hotspots from flaring up.

00:20:57.000 That's all testing can do.

00:20:58.000 Testing isn't going to prevent you from getting this thing.

00:21:00.000 Testing isn't going to prevent you.

00:21:02.000 It may delay you getting this thing over time.

00:21:04.000 It may prevent a widespread epidemic outbreak that overwhelms the healthcare system.

00:21:09.000 But that's how we should be judging public policy right now.

00:21:11.000 One of the things that I hate more than anything, and this is why I think the media coverage also is confirming political priors, a lot of the media coverage right now is just not accurate.

00:21:20.000 A lot of the media coverage when it comes to flattening the curve suggested that the number of people who are going to be infected was going to be lowered overall by the flattening of the curve.

00:21:27.000 That's not the idea of flattening the curve, you adults.

00:21:30.000 The goal of flattening the curve was to prevent overload of the healthcare system, but the area under the curve is still the same.

00:21:35.000 If the curve looks like this, and I'm making a very high wave in the air and then very low after, Or, it looks like this.

00:21:41.000 A flatter wave, but the maintenance level is higher at the end.

00:21:45.000 Okay, the area under the curve is still the same, so you're still going to get infected, just maybe four months from now, as opposed to right now, so that you don't overwhelm the healthcare system.

00:21:54.000 The reason this matters is because when you're talking about testing, you have to be accurate about what exactly you are attempting to do.

00:21:58.000 And there's been this idea out there.

00:22:00.000 I spoke to Dr. Marty McCary from Johns Hopkins University yesterday on the show, right?

00:22:04.000 He's advised both Trump and Obama.

00:22:05.000 Okay, so he's not partisan.

00:22:06.000 And Dr. McCary basically confirmed what I was saying, which is that testing is not designed to prevent everyone from getting this thing.

00:22:12.000 It's designed to prevent there from being a major spike in an area because the testing capacity itself is not sufficient to stop one person from infecting a bunch of other people around them in the immediate basis.

00:22:23.000 It is just enough to help contain it so that you can contact trace for some people.

00:22:27.000 So that's what the testing is designed to do.

00:22:29.000 If we're accurate about that, then we can be more accurate about what testing is actually designed to do, how much testing is necessary.

00:22:35.000 And we can throw out these estimates that suggest that we're going to have to have 20 million tests a day in order so that people can go back to work. 0.95

00:22:41.000 That's just a bunch of crap. 0.98

00:22:41.000 It's not real. 0.98

00:22:42.000 It's not true.

00:22:43.000 And there's a reason that even Dr. Fauci has been suggesting it's more like 300,000 tests a day.

00:22:47.000 Dr. Gottlieb has been suggesting this.

00:22:49.000 Scott Gottlieb, former FDA commissioner.

00:22:51.000 It is not 20 million tests a day.

00:22:54.000 And this is why you're starting to see states that are reopening businesses, because these states are basically saying, all we can do at this point is do what we can do, which means let responsible citizens be responsible.

00:23:04.000 And that's not a bad thing, right?

00:23:07.000 You just have to make sure that the policies that you are taking are indeed responsible, that they balance the risk and the reward of reopening, and that you have enough systems in place so that you can hotspot and contact trace.

00:23:17.000 Now, the hotspot and contact tracing, again, are not designed to prevent infection overall over the long haul.

00:23:23.000 That's not what they do.

00:23:24.000 What they are designed to do is prevent the overwhelming of the health care system.

00:23:27.000 So when you look at places that are opening up more, it is a foolish thing, a very foolish thing that the media are doing by focusing in on the near term effect of removal of lockdowns.

00:23:38.000 You saw this in their coverage of Sweden.

00:23:39.000 I've been saying this for weeks.

00:23:41.000 Sweden took a different strategy.

00:23:42.000 Their strategy was more people will be infected in the near term and more people will die in the near term than they will in the Netherlands or than they will in Denmark, right?

00:23:50.000 That was their policy.

00:23:51.000 And their policy was, the area under the curve will be the same, but we have not shut down our economy and people are going to continue to go out and they're going to be able to live their lives to a certain extent.

00:23:59.000 Our economy will not take the same sort of hit as other economies will take.

00:24:03.000 Right?

00:24:03.000 That was Sweden's policy.

00:24:05.000 And people were like, oh, look at that.

00:24:06.000 They have more deaths and more infections than Netherlands. 0.81

00:24:08.000 Yeah, because in Netherlands, everybody's staying home.

00:24:10.000 Because if you lock down, of course, there's lower deaths and lower infections in the near term.

00:24:10.000 Right?

00:24:15.000 But that's not how you gauge a policy. 0.83

00:24:17.000 As I said yesterday, the person at the gym who's finally getting in shape and working off the weight and vomiting in the corner looks like a sucker to the guy sitting on the couch.

00:24:26.000 But over the course of the next year, when that guy gets in shape and the guy on the couch is struggling for breath, that didn't look like a sucker's play, did it?

00:24:34.000 Okay, well, Sweden is basically saying we are trying to do the responsible thing while not destroying our economy.

00:24:40.000 And people are like, well, in the near term, there are more.

00:24:42.000 Yes, in the near term, there are more infections.

00:24:43.000 Guess what?

00:24:44.000 When we all go back to work, when we all go back to our offices, when kids go back to school, there will be more infections and there will be more deaths.

00:24:50.000 And that does not mean that the counter narrative or the counterfactual would have been better, that we stay in our houses for a long period of time, because eventually we're all going to come out.

00:24:59.000 Unless somebody comes up with a miracle vaccine.

00:25:02.000 All we are doing is buying time and preventing the health care system from being overwhelmed.

00:25:05.000 Those are the only things we can do.

00:25:07.000 There are no drugs that cure this thing.

00:25:08.000 There is no vaccine.

00:25:10.000 So, with those things in place, all we're gonna really be able to do is minimize...

00:25:15.000 The number of people who are elderly and who have pre-existing conditions who are out there in public and that's going to rely on personal responsibility and yes, regulations about visiting nursing homes and such.

00:25:23.000 And we are going to put in place some testing and contact tracing such that there aren't these massive spikes in areas that overwhelm the healthcare system.

00:25:30.000 But like, can we please be accurate about this?

00:25:32.000 When people are being inaccurate, it makes me think that maybe they have that ulterior motive again.

00:25:36.000 Because I think there are a lot of ulterior motives running around.

00:25:38.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

00:25:40.000 Okay, so. 0.99

00:25:41.000 This has become a point of contention because you can see how people are being stupid about this in the media. 0.98

00:25:46.000 You can see how they're covering Florida, how they're covering Georgia. 0.98

00:25:48.000 So, Florida beaches in Jacksonville, for example.

00:25:50.000 In Jacksonville, they reopened their beaches.

00:25:51.000 That doesn't mean that they were like, okay, everybody go out and party!

00:25:54.000 It's spring break time, man!

00:25:55.000 Do it!

00:25:56.000 No, what they said is social distance, walk six feet away from other people, Wear a mask, and then if you want to go walk along the beach, go walk along the beach.

00:26:04.000 And the media went nuts.

00:26:05.000 Look at these pictures from Jacksonville where people are standing seven feet apart from each other.

00:26:09.000 This is terrible!

00:26:10.000 First of all, the amount of actual infection in outdoor areas where people are socially distancing is nil.

00:26:16.000 Okay, it is very, very low.

00:26:17.000 When you're seeing stories from places where there's a mass outbreak outdoors, it's because people were right on top of each other.

00:26:22.000 It's because it was Cancun, Spring Break, Actual real world, right?

00:26:27.000 That's like MTV shows, right?

00:26:29.000 People making out on the beach and schtuping each other, right?

00:26:33.000 That is close personal contact.

00:26:34.000 But that's not what's happening in Jacksonville.

00:26:35.000 So Dr. Deborah Birx yesterday, who's been as cautious on this as anybody in the White House, right?

00:26:40.000 She says, Florida beach is reopening.

00:26:41.000 That's called being responsible because they don't have a lot of cases out there and people are socially distancing.

00:26:46.000 Florida's Department of Health website is extraordinary.

00:26:50.000 And this is what every Department of Health should have.

00:26:52.000 Because when you go to that website, you can see that most of the cases are in southern Florida, in the Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Broward County area.

00:27:01.000 And if you look in Jacksonville, they had less than 20 cases.

00:27:05.000 What, you mean treating American citizens as though they are responsible actors in a republic?

00:27:10.000 Wow, I know, just crazy, crazy stuff.

00:27:11.000 How dare people do this sort of stuff?

00:27:12.000 that they need, then they can make decisions along with the local government and governors.

00:27:17.000 What you mean treating American citizens as though they are responsible actors in a republic?

00:27:21.000 Wow, I know, just crazy, crazy stuff.

00:27:23.000 How dare people do this sort of stuff?

00:27:25.000 OK, so the states that are also coming in for all sorts of criticism include South Carolina and Georgia.

00:27:32.000 So according to the New York Times, South Carolina allowed retail shops ranging from department stores to flea markets to reopen on Monday afternoon, shortly after its governor, Henry McMaster, signed an executive order reversing some of the closings he ordered earlier this month.

00:27:42.000 On Friday, residents of Georgia will be allowed to return to the gym and get haircuts, pedicures, massages and tattoos.

00:27:48.000 According to Governor Brian Kemp, next Monday they can dine in restaurants and go to the movies.

00:27:52.000 Tennessee's stay-at-home order will expire April 30th, allowing most businesses there to reopen on May 1st, according to Governor Bill Lee.

00:27:59.000 The moves by three Republican governors of southern states to let some businesses reopen came as the outbreak continued to spread in parts of the nation, and as some other governors and public health experts have warned in recent days, the testing remained inadequate to quickly identify and contain new outbreaks.

00:28:12.000 Massachusetts has been particularly hard hit recently.

00:28:14.000 At the White House briefing on Monday evening, Dr. Deborah Birx, coronavirus response coordinator, noted we still have a significant number of cases in the Boston area and across Massachusetts and Chicago.

00:28:24.000 President Trump Outlined non-binding guidelines last week for states to ease the restrictions.

00:28:30.000 South Carolina is moving to let its retail stores reopen Monday at 5 p.m., but they have to adhere to social distancing requirements.

00:28:36.000 They have to operate at 20% occupancy or at five customers per 1,000 square feet, whichever is less.

00:28:42.000 Okay, which by the way, is the same policy that they are undertaking in Germany.

00:28:44.000 Opening shops and then telling people that the occupancy is now one fifth, one quarter of what it used to be.

00:28:50.000 That's what they have been doing in Europe.

00:28:52.000 Okay, so South Carolina's policy is no different from what Europe is doing.

00:28:55.000 It also said businesses should not allow customers to congregate within six feet of one another.

00:28:59.000 The state plans to reopen public beach access points, piers, docks, and wharves at noon on Tuesday, which again, makes sense.

00:29:04.000 Just stay away from each other.

00:29:05.000 This is called responsible citizens being responsible.

00:29:07.000 In Georgia, Kemp said at a news conference the state would allow the reopening of gyms, bowling alleys, and salons on Friday.

00:29:13.000 He said his decisions would be the operational standard in all jurisdictions.

00:29:17.000 He says local action cannot be taken that is more or less restrictive.

00:29:21.000 He said that theaters, private social clubs, and dine-in restaurants would be allowed to open April 27th, bars, nightclubs, live performance venues would remain closed, and you are seeing some businesses reopen as soon as next Monday in Tennessee.

00:29:31.000 Now, the Georgia order is broader than the South Carolina order, and this is the one that has come under the most scrutiny.

00:29:39.000 On a personal level, I think that the riskiest sensors here are probably places like gyms.

00:29:44.000 Bowling alleys seem pretty risky.

00:29:46.000 I mean, you're literally sticking your hands on objects that other people are sticking their hands on.

00:29:50.000 So the transmission of this thing on objects is pretty high.

00:29:54.000 But barbers are sort of a different thing.

00:29:58.000 If everybody is wearing a mask and a barber is working on you, that's less risky.

00:30:02.000 Hair designers, nail care artists, all of those areas seem less dangerous.

00:30:07.000 Again, People are acting as though Kemp said that you should just go out and party it up.

00:30:12.000 This is not right.

00:30:13.000 All of these areas are allowed to reopen only with specific social distancing guidelines and sanitation mandates, including enhanced workplace sanitation, The minimum basic operations.

00:30:24.000 You have to do this if you want to reopen in Georgia.

00:30:26.000 Screening workers for fever and respiratory illness.

00:30:28.000 They're doing fever checks.

00:30:29.000 Enhancing workplace sanitation.

00:30:31.000 Wearing masks and gloves.

00:30:32.000 Separating workplaces by six feet.

00:30:34.000 Teleworking if possible.

00:30:35.000 And staggered shifts.

00:30:36.000 So again, the media are covering this thing as though he's basically saying, go out willy-nilly, enjoy yourself.

00:30:40.000 That is not correct.

00:30:42.000 This is not correct.

00:30:44.000 And if you are still afraid, then you don't have to go out and do this.

00:30:47.000 It will be interesting to see what happens in Georgia.

00:30:49.000 It'll be interesting to see if the healthcare system is overwhelmed. 0.80

00:30:51.000 So the only way that you're going to be able to judge whether Georgia is doing the right thing or the wrong thing is after a time delay.

00:30:56.000 Now it's like Sweden, right?

00:30:58.000 Was their healthcare system overwhelmed?

00:30:59.000 If their healthcare system was not overwhelmed, well then, this is just what's called living in public.

00:31:04.000 And also, people should use their own best judgment, okay?

00:31:07.000 If you are elderly, you should stay indoors. 1.00

00:31:09.000 If you are away from other people, if you have pre-existing conditions, you should not go out and party it up.

00:31:14.000 Everybody should be acting responsibly with masks and social distancing.

00:31:18.000 And the way the media are covering this thing is though Kemp did something that is completely evil.

00:31:23.000 I, again, don't see that at this point.

00:31:27.000 We'll only know if you're responsible if there is a spike and it is not detected by testing and contact tracing because that's the only thing that can be prevented.

00:31:33.000 I'm only going to judge the activity of governors by the stuff they can prevent.

00:31:36.000 Okay, well, and when I mean the stuff they can prevent, there are going to be people who say, well, you can prevent everything by keeping everybody home forever.

00:31:43.000 That's not a realistic solution.

00:31:44.000 Okay?

00:31:45.000 California will release at some point.

00:31:47.000 New York will release at some point.

00:31:49.000 And they will be doing exactly the same sorts of stuff that Kemp is doing.

00:31:51.000 They'll just do it three weeks from now, or a month from now, or six weeks from now.

00:31:54.000 And the only way you're going to be able to tell whether Kemp was right or wrong is after a year, what were the death rates in Georgia, Adjusting for population size, adjusting for demographics, adjusting for pre-existing health conditions, versus California.

00:32:08.000 People are going to try and judge this thing in real time.

00:32:10.000 People are going to try and judge this thing as though there's a spike in cases in Georgia because people are out and about.

00:32:14.000 Again, yes, because people are out and about.

00:32:17.000 And that is expected.

00:32:18.000 I'm assuming that Georgia knows this.

00:32:20.000 That the rates are not going to be the same as they are if you lock everybody in their homes.

00:32:24.000 Obviously.

00:32:25.000 Okay, in a second, we're gonna get to why this is becoming so political.

00:32:29.000 And it is becoming really political, because politics always intrude when it comes to massive public policy decisions like all of this.

00:32:35.000 We'll get to all of that in a moment, because as you will see, when it comes to pushing priors, As I keep saying, we are now seeing a serious movement on the left to suggest that anybody who wants to reopen in measured, smart fashion, that anybody who actually wants to reopen based on the evidence, wants lives to be lost. 0.99

00:32:54.000 That's the first resort of people who are full of crap. 0.72

00:32:56.000 If you ever hear somebody say, this political conversation, I can't even have this conversation. 1.00

00:33:01.000 You just want people to die.

00:33:02.000 That's all. 0.99

00:33:03.000 You just want people to die.

00:33:04.000 Like seriously, that's not a conversation. 0.99

00:33:04.000 Yeah, go F yourself. 0.99

00:33:06.000 That's just you insulting me as a bad person. 0.78

00:33:08.000 Which means you don't want to have a conversation.

00:33:09.000 It means that you're an irresponsible political adversary.

00:33:13.000 Okay?

00:33:14.000 And then, that is the tactic.

00:33:17.000 The tactic is you want people to die if you disagree with people on the left.

00:33:20.000 You want full-scale lockdown, presumably for a very, very long time.

00:33:23.000 And then, the actual agenda item is complete remaking of American society.

00:33:27.000 And we're starting to see that rolled out in serious fashion.

00:33:29.000 Right?

00:33:30.000 That the crisis is an opportunity.

00:33:32.000 Whether it's AOC suggesting that an oil drop is an opportunity to invest in green energy, which of course makes as much sense as a screen door on a submarine or an injector seat on a helicopter.

00:33:42.000 Or whether you are a person who is suggesting that we need to completely remake America's economic system because there was a pandemic and because this has exposed all the evils of American society.

00:33:51.000 These are the ulterior motives.

00:33:52.000 It's why people are saying, I don't want you in control because I think that you actually have conflicting Motives here, not that you want the economy to die, not that you're a bad person, but you think that it's a double win.

00:34:03.000 I keep people at home longer and fewer people die in the near term.

00:34:05.000 And also this gives me an opportunity to broaden the size and scope of government.

00:34:10.000 Well, what if I want the economy to recover?

00:34:12.000 Because I think that's actually a priority and a serious thing and people need to have jobs in the private sector.

00:34:16.000 Okay, we'll get to more of this in just one second.

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00:35:57.000 So politics never stops, of course.

00:36:06.000 And the politics of the current negotiations over another bailout package, those politics have not ceased either.

00:36:14.000 Democrats keep insisting on loading up this bill with more and more and more stuff, including now they want bailouts for states and localities.

00:36:22.000 Now, if a state or locality has incurred cost at the behest of the federal government, it makes sense that the federal government should backfill that. 0.99

00:36:29.000 But, if states and localities are just looking for a bailout for the fact that they've run their states like garbage for years, this seems like a stupid policy. 0.97

00:36:35.000 And I don't know why California's mismanagement should be the fault of Texas. 0.99

00:36:39.000 I don't know why New York's state deficit should be the fault of Texas.

00:36:42.000 Right now, according to the Washington Post, I believe, a Republican and Democrat in the Senate are proposing a $500 billion fund for state and local governments as part of the next comprehensive rescue package from Congress.

00:36:56.000 Apparently, they want $150 billion from municipalities' virus expenses, but that was the one in March.

00:37:04.000 It provided for virus expenses, but it didn't address budget shortfalls.

00:37:08.000 A budget shortfall?

00:37:09.000 I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain to me why Texas should have to assume the cost of money that California has already spent.

00:37:16.000 California has been fiscally irresponsible for years, and now they're going to go to the federal government and ask for a bailout?

00:37:21.000 That is political.

00:37:22.000 That is just as political as people asking for bailouts of companies that don't deserve a bailout.

00:37:26.000 That weren't damaged by this, just ran their companies badly.

00:37:30.000 Meanwhile, speaking of, again, the partisan politics here, The New York Times is suggesting this thing became political because of the right wing, right?

00:37:39.000 This is the line.

00:37:40.000 The line is that the right wing has made this political.

00:37:43.000 Jeremy Peters reporting for The New York Times.

00:37:45.000 He has a piece called, How Abortion, Guns, and Church Closings Made Coronavirus a Culture War.

00:37:50.000 He says, This is what it looks like when a pandemic collides with the culture wars in America.

00:37:54.000 The mayor of Louisville, Kentucky warned churches that holding services on Easter Sunday would defy the city's social distancing guidelines.

00:38:00.000 Mitch McConnell answered with a stern letter arguing religious people should not be singled out for disfavored treatment.

00:38:04.000 The Democratic governor in Michigan extended bans on certain outdoor activities to include using motorboats.

00:38:09.000 Conservatives called her an authoritarian and caricatured her moves to slap at people who enjoy the outdoors. 1.00

00:38:14.000 Even though firearm stores remain free to do business in most of the country, The NRA has a stark message for gun owners.

00:38:18.000 They want your guns, and they want them all.

00:38:20.000 This is what Charlie Daniels said in a promotional video.

00:38:30.000 Well, maybe it's inflaming passions because the policies have been patchwork inconsistent and having nothing to do with public health.

00:38:36.000 Christine Whitmer, Gretchen Whitmer, rather, in Michigan, is telling people they cannot take a motorboat out on the lake.

00:38:44.000 But they can take a boat that does not have a motor out on the lake, by the way.

00:38:47.000 But you can get an abortion. 1.00

00:38:49.000 So no buying seeds at the local Target, but definitely make sure you can have an abortion. 1.00

00:38:52.000 An essential service to have an abortion. 1.00

00:38:55.000 Is that maybe her not actually saying something about public health, but saying something about politics?

00:38:59.000 When you have people suggesting that churches should be singled out as places for public gathering, not just general policy saying don't get together in big groups, and that includes everything from churches to social groups to movie theaters, right?

00:39:12.000 That's a general policy.

00:39:13.000 And by the way, I'm a religious person who goes to synagogue regularly, and I was advocating for the shutdown of synagogues before like anybody else. 0.97

00:39:21.000 I specifically avoided Purim parties in my neighborhood because of all of this.

00:39:25.000 And I've been pretty strong on this.

00:39:27.000 There's a difference between that and singling out religious institutions.

00:39:30.000 Could it be that maybe the reaction has been driven by the petty authoritarianism of people who seem to be reveling in their newfound authority?

00:39:38.000 Could it be that a lot of people in the media have been pumping up a political vision of this in which President Trump is to blame for every ill, but every governor who takes an authoritarian action is somehow a hero?

00:39:50.000 Could it be that when the media prop up Andrew Cuomo as somehow being America's governor at a time when he completely blew it in New York, by the way?

00:39:56.000 According to the New York Times, he blew it in New York.

00:39:58.000 He should have shut down a week and a half earlier, two weeks earlier.

00:40:02.000 And then they propped him up as like a hero because he kept yelling about how the federal government needed to send ventilators.

00:40:07.000 And as Rich Lowry has written in National Review, the federal government did send ventilators.

00:40:10.000 And New York did not need 40,000 ventilators.

00:40:12.000 And the federal government was trying to be flexible so other states would also have access to ventilators.

00:40:17.000 And when all of that happened, the media portrayed it as though Trump was evil and Cuomo was good.

00:40:22.000 Is it possible this thing was political and then the right is responding to the politicization and saying, well, it seems to me that I can't trust you to be honest about this sort of stuff.

00:40:30.000 Is it possible this got political when you have a poll out today that shows that 60% of Democrats say that Trump is more to blame for the current crisis than China is?

00:40:41.000 According to a Rasmussen poll.

00:40:45.000 42% of US voters agreed with Senator Chris Murphy's recent statement.

00:40:48.000 The reason we're in the crisis is not because of anything China did, not because of the WHO, it's because of what President Trump did.

00:40:55.000 60% of Democrats agree with Murphy that Trump is more to blame than China and the WHO.

00:40:58.000 Is it possible that we didn't start the politicization here on the right?

00:41:01.000 Is that possible?

00:41:03.000 Is it possible that when we look at people on the left who are eager and just jumping, champing at the bit to remake the entire American system, to tear down the private healthcare system, to tear down free markets, to suggest massive redistribution and slavery reparations and all sorts of leftist goodies they wanted five minutes ago, but now they want on the back of a pandemic?

00:41:23.000 Is it possible that we're saying to you guys, well, maybe you have an ulterior motive here? 0.97

00:41:28.000 I'm seeing piece after piece released suggesting that America sucks. 0.99

00:41:31.000 This is the new talking point, is that America sucks and therefore we need vast change. 0.99

00:41:38.000 Again, this is what is driving a lot of the resistance. 0.93

00:41:41.000 Like, okay, well, if my choice is that I have to look at America being turned upside down and inside out, and the nature of America changed deeply because of the pandemic,

00:41:53.000 If I wait three more weeks or six more weeks to go back to work so that the testing is slightly better, or I can go back to work now and urge my governor to go back to work now because the testing is already sufficient, or I think the testing will be ramped up in the next two weeks and I want to get back to work and I don't want to rely on government benefits and I don't want to spend the next 60 days entrenching government largesse, then I'm evil, right?

00:42:15.000 If that's the logic of the left, then I think this is a little bit political.

00:42:19.000 And the media are so dishonest in all of this.

00:42:21.000 There's honest good-faith disagreement about what is the actual tipping point when you can actually go back to work, right?

00:42:26.000 That's an actual good-faith argument that can be had based on data.

00:42:28.000 We have the argument every day here, right?

00:42:30.000 I've had conversations with nearly every health expert at the top of government about this.

00:42:33.000 And there's no clear-cut answer.

00:42:35.000 It is a sliding scale.

00:42:36.000 There's no binary decision where you flick on and it's safe and you flick off and it's not safe.

00:42:39.000 That's not the way any of this works.

00:42:40.000 These are hard decisions.

00:42:42.000 But the way the media are portraying this is that it's not a hard decision at all.

00:42:45.000 The easy decision is to stay at home.

00:42:46.000 And also, by the way, we're going to change everything you love about America.

00:42:48.000 And it's never going to come back.

00:42:51.000 We're going to get to this in just one second.

00:42:53.000 So let's take, for example, Don Lemon.

00:42:55.000 So Don Lemon over at CNN, objective journalist Don Lemon, very journalism-y.

00:42:59.000 Lots and lots of journalism-ing.

00:43:00.000 He says that the only people who want to reopen, they only want to reopen because they want a haircut. 0.99

00:43:05.000 This is the most dismissive, garbage, bullcrap I've heard in a long time. 0.98

00:43:08.000 That the reason that people want to go back to work and have a job is because they want a haircut? 0.99

00:43:14.000 No, Don, I'm pretty sure it's because there are people who are now going to food banks because they don't have food in their fridge.

00:43:19.000 Don Lemon is over at the CNN studios with a job and with a salary.

00:43:24.000 And Chris Cuomo is able to work from home even with coronavirus.

00:43:27.000 How about all the people who don't have jobs today and who have had their dreams stripped away as their small business has been tanked by the economy and tanked by the force of the federal and state governments?

00:43:37.000 Don Lemon sneering at people who want to go back to work.

00:43:40.000 Maybe I think if you mischaracterize your opposition this badly, then maybe I don't trust you when it comes to broad scale public policy. 1.00

00:43:46.000 Here's Don Lemon being a jerk. 0.99

00:43:48.000 You're slapping the faces of people who are the health care workers who put their lives on the line every day because you want a haircut. 1.00

00:43:54.000 You want to go play golf.

00:43:56.000 You're concerned about, of course, you're concerned about your business.

00:43:58.000 Tell the president that.

00:44:00.000 And you're out there with with with guns.

00:44:04.000 With weapons strapped to your chest?

00:44:06.000 Saying, oh, you're fighting against the people who are telling you to stay at home trying to save your lives?

00:44:13.000 You're upset with those people?

00:44:14.000 In the meantime, there are people who are keeping your cities going, keeping your loved ones alive, and you want to get a haircut? 0.89

00:44:20.000 Who the hell do you think you are?

00:44:22.000 Okay, the people who are protesting, by and large, are not people who just want a haircut. 0.99

00:44:26.000 The minimization of the concerns on the other side of this coin are insane.

00:44:29.000 That's insane.

00:44:30.000 Okay, this is great depression levels of economic collapse.

00:44:35.000 And he's saying, oh, well, you know, you just grow a mullet.

00:44:37.000 The hell is he talking about?

00:44:40.000 It's just, it's wild. 0.94

00:44:42.000 It's wild.

00:44:43.000 And when you see, again, members of the media who are just, they cannot contain themselves at the amount of change they want to perform on the American system, on the back of this thing, it makes people suspicious.

00:44:55.000 It makes people deeply suspicious.

00:44:57.000 There's an article, two separate articles in the New York Times today.

00:44:59.000 One called, The Ideas That Won't Survive the Coronavirus by Viet Thanh Nguyen.

00:45:05.000 COVID-19 is killing off the myth we are the greatest country on earth.

00:45:08.000 Oh, here we go. 0.99

00:45:09.000 So now it's all about how America sucks. 1.00

00:45:11.000 Shocker. 1.00

00:45:13.000 If anything good emerges out of this period, says this columnist, it might be an awakening to the pre-existing conditions of our body politic.

00:45:18.000 We are not as healthy as we thought we were.

00:45:20.000 The biological virus afflicting individuals is a social virus.

00:45:23.000 Its symptoms, inequality, callousness, selfishness, a profit motive that undervalues human life and overvalues commodities, were for too long masked by the hearty good cheer of American exceptionalism, the readiness of someone a few steps away from a heart attack.

00:45:36.000 Profit motive?

00:45:37.000 Oh, you mean, you know, the profit motive that's actually getting people to produce the masks and the ventilators and all of the medical equipment and the PPEs and that is keeping our hospitals open in flexible fashion in a way Italy was not able to and the NHS in Britain was not able to?

00:45:49.000 The eagerness, the desire to completely remake the American economy on the back of a pandemic?

00:45:55.000 Yeah, it makes me suspicious that you are fine with staying at home because yes, you get to claim that you are saving more lives in the near term and also you get to then perform all the changes you've always wanted to perform.

00:46:06.000 This columnist says, even if America, as we know it, survives the coronavirus, it can hardly emerge unscathed.

00:46:10.000 If the illusion of invincibility is shredded for any patient who survives a near-fatal experience, what might die after COVID-19 is a myth.

00:46:16.000 We are the best country on earth.

00:46:19.000 A belief common even among the poor, the marginal, the precarious, who must believe in their own Americanness, if in nothing else.

00:46:25.000 Now, America's bad.

00:46:26.000 Very, very bad.

00:46:28.000 Very bad.

00:46:29.000 And that America has a history of settler colonization and capitalism that ruthlessly exploited natural resources and people, typically the poor, the migratory, the black, and the brown.

00:46:39.000 That history manifests itself today in our impulse to hoard, knowing we live in an economy of self-reliance and scarcity and our dependence on the cheap labor of women and racial minorities. 1.00

00:46:48.000 Okay, and then you're telling me to stay home?

00:46:51.000 The general response of Americans to this is going to be, people like you are telling me to stay home?

00:46:55.000 Take a hike, son.

00:46:56.000 Like, no.

00:46:57.000 That is not something I am willing to do.

00:46:59.000 Take a hike.

00:47:01.000 Truly, just take a hike, buddy.

00:47:03.000 It's just unbelievable.

00:47:06.000 And this is not the only article like this.

00:47:08.000 Charlie Warzel, the opinion writer at large for the New York Times, has a piece today called, Protesting for the Freedom to Catch the Coronavirus.

00:47:15.000 The Reopen America protests are the logical conclusion of a twisted liberty movement.

00:47:19.000 Twisted, you see.

00:47:21.000 He says, at a string of small Reopen America protests across the country this week, maskless citizens proudly flouted social distancing guidelines while openly carrying semi-automatic rifles and waving American flags and signs with ironic swastikas.

00:47:32.000 Okay, I love how he's nut-picking.

00:47:33.000 He's not going after the majority of people there who were socially distancing and just holding signs like, I want to get back to work.

00:47:38.000 He finds the craziest people in the crowd, which is the easiest game in American politics.

00:47:43.000 But the idea is that this is just like the Tea Party, because the Tea Party was a bunch of nuts who wanted smaller government, and so are these people. 1.00

00:47:48.000 They're nuts. 0.97

00:47:51.000 What we need right now is bigger government. 0.98

00:47:52.000 And anybody who rejects this doesn't care about human life.

00:47:54.000 They don't care about human life.

00:47:57.000 It's really quite amazing.

00:47:59.000 It really is quite amazing.

00:48:01.000 You want to know why people are not paying attention to your recommendations on policy?

00:48:03.000 Because we don't believe you that you are honest about what you think it will take to stop the pandemic and what it will take to get back working again.

00:48:09.000 We think that you want to change the American economy and that you are more than happy to sit around until that happens.

00:48:14.000 All right, time for a thing I like and then some things that I hate.

00:48:16.000 So, things that I like today.

00:48:19.000 There is a new series on Hulu via FX called Devs.

00:48:24.000 It's great.

00:48:25.000 It's made by Alex Griswold, I believe his name is, who is the guy behind, the guy behind Ex Machina.

00:48:34.000 Alex Garland, thank you.

00:48:35.000 Alex Garland and Alex Griswold works here.

00:48:38.000 Anyway, Alex Garland and Devs is basically the premise is that they've designed a machine that is capable of Of identifying down to the most microscopic portions of any physical object, everything about that object, which means that you can then extrapolate out from that thing all of past and all of future.

00:49:00.000 So the basic metaphor that's used in the series is that if you push a pencil and it rolls across the desk and you could measure the pencil, like really measure the movement of the pencil, you could see how much force is applied on it.

00:49:09.000 You could fill in how hard it was pushed, who pushed it, what that person's body mass was.

00:49:14.000 You could actually extrapolate the past and the future, how fast that's going to roll.

00:49:18.000 And so, the whole series is about determinism and free will.

00:49:20.000 I think it's fascinating.

00:49:21.000 I kind of love this series.

00:49:22.000 Here's a little bit of the preview.

00:49:26.000 You know what happened to him.

00:49:28.000 If you came for answers, ask me what you don't know.

00:49:34.000 What is DEVS?

00:49:38.000 This is the only principle you need to understand.

00:49:41.000 Nothing ever happens without a reason.

00:49:44.000 Everything was determined by something prior.

00:49:48.000 They're fanatics.

00:49:49.000 We need the police.

00:49:51.000 You want to take them down?

00:49:53.000 It's impossible.

00:49:54.000 You knew I was going to come here.

00:49:57.000 It's really quite good.

00:49:58.000 Nick Offerman turns in a very, very good performance.

00:50:01.000 Alison Peele is super creepy. 0.99

00:50:02.000 It's a great series.

00:50:04.000 And more of this on TV, seriously.

00:50:06.000 This is really highly intelligent television.

00:50:10.000 Really, I kind of love it.

00:50:11.000 It's pretty spectacular.

00:50:12.000 So go check that out.

00:50:13.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:50:15.000 So, as I say, there's been a complete push on the left for this idea that we need to completely remake the American system because this is pre—it's exposing all of the evils of American society, So as I say, there's been a complete push on the left for this idea that we need to completely remake the American system because this is pre it's exposing all of the evils of American society, which is amazing because basically we now have an unfalsifiable thesis from the left.

00:50:34.000 If things are going really well, that's a mask for all the bad things happening in American society.

00:50:38.000 If things are going really poorly, then that is exposing all of the bad things that are happening in American society.

00:50:43.000 So no matter how you slice it, bad things are happening and it requires complete remaking of the system.

00:50:47.000 Elizabeth Warren, the senator, was pushing this nonsense. 0.99

00:50:50.000 She was suggesting that the disparities in health outcomes for black and white women, it has to be because health care professionals are racist or something. 1.00

00:50:57.000 I mean, really, this is what she is pushing.

00:50:59.000 She's pushing the disparities in black maternity mortality statistics, which has been pushed by everybody from Stacey Abrams to The New York Times.

00:51:07.000 Neglecting to mention the fact, by the way, that there are racial disparities in outcomes in Europe as well, which doesn't have the same history as the United States, obviously.

00:51:15.000 And also neglects to mention that there are pre-existing conditions that run concomitant to race.

00:51:21.000 It's not caused by race, but there's crossover that largely explain Black maternal mortality rates being higher, namely malnutrition in the womb, obesity of mothers, right?

00:51:32.000 These are things that help explain the disparity in black maternal mortality rate.

00:51:37.000 Okay, with all of that said, Elizabeth Warren making the common and obvious error of mistaking all inequality for an underlying structural inequity.

00:51:45.000 Now she's blaming healthcare professionals.

00:51:46.000 This is just At the same time, healthcare professionals are putting their lives on the line to save people black, white, and green.

00:51:52.000 She's out there suggesting that our healthcare system is staffed by people who are inherently racist. 0.80

00:51:57.000 Do the healthcare professionals listen? 0.81

00:51:59.000 Do they listen to black women? 1.00

00:52:02.000 And why it is so important to raise this issue because It's not like somebody deliberately says, oh, you know, I'm not going to pay attention.

00:52:12.000 It's that it's happening.

00:52:14.000 And if you don't raise awareness about it and get some accountability in the system, too many people say, well, I didn't have anything to do with that.

00:52:23.000 That's not me.

00:52:25.000 Okay, well, what if they didn't have anything to do with that and it wasn't them?

00:52:27.000 I mean, like, again, the idea is that now you're going to attribute all of the inequalities in a system to current people doing bad things that they don't even know they are doing.

00:52:38.000 So now we are ghost hunting, right?

00:52:39.000 Now we are attributing motives to people that they don't have themselves, but deep in the recesses of their brain, they're still a little racist, and that is why you are getting these outcomes.

00:52:47.000 I mean, strange that everything amounts to the same.

00:52:50.000 It doesn't matter what happens in front of the equal sign.

00:52:53.000 It doesn't matter what the equation is in front of the equal sign.

00:52:55.000 X plus Y always equals. 0.92

00:52:57.000 Overthrow American society and completely restructure it.

00:53:01.000 It's pretty incredible.

00:53:03.000 It really is.

00:53:05.000 And a lot of this is also based on political expedience.

00:53:11.000 A lot of this is based on the easy belief that your political opponents are evil.

00:53:17.000 They don't have different priorities from you.

00:53:19.000 They're actually evil.

00:53:19.000 So Rachel Maddow tried to trot this one out last night.

00:53:21.000 She suggested that conservatives are operating from Earth, too, when they talk about people going back to work.

00:53:26.000 Or alternatively, they have a different assessment of the risks and benefits of staying out of work as an entire society.

00:53:32.000 And that assessment is different from your own.

00:53:34.000 And that is called an honest political disagreement.

00:53:37.000 But according to her, it's Earth 2 and conservatives want people to die.

00:53:40.000 And this is just, it's just claptrap.

00:53:42.000 Even in times this weird, conservative media is like Earth 2.

00:53:48.000 All the rest of us are on Earth One, and they are on a completely different planet in terms of what the news is and what it means to cover it.

00:53:56.000 And the conservative media is as influential as they ever were, if not more so, when it comes to Republican elected officials and conservative voters in the Republican Party base.

00:54:06.000 But the conservative media, the most influential parts of it, really are living in and describing and now promoting a completely different world than the one that all the rest of us live on.

00:54:19.000 Okay, you know, the one that you live on, Rachel Maddow, is the one where you are operating from a studio and getting your salary paid.

00:54:24.000 That's the world that you are living on.

00:54:26.000 The world that Chris Cuomo is living in, that's the world that everyone in CNN is living in.

00:54:30.000 All the members of the media do not live the same lives as the 30 million people who are now unemployed.

00:54:34.000 They do not live the same lives as the small business owners who sunk their life savings into a restaurant to watch it disappear.

00:54:38.000 They are not living in the same world as people who actually were living on the bubble and now need to go make a living.

00:54:45.000 They're not living in the same world as you.

00:54:47.000 This is why you end up with ridiculous comedian Patton Oswalt tweeting out over the weekend, just, you know, we say that it's a sacrifice.

00:54:54.000 You can always just sit home and just watch Netflix. 0.75

00:54:56.000 No, Patton Oswalt can sit in his mansion and watch Netflix.

00:54:58.000 There are a bunch of people who actually don't have a full fridge.

00:55:01.000 That's the disconnect.

00:55:03.000 And by the way, Democrats are just full of it.

00:55:05.000 I mean, here, this is a brutal ad.

00:55:06.000 So the RNC put out an ad about Nancy Pelosi.

00:55:09.000 So I showed you a clip the other day of Nancy Pelosi Standing in front of a very expensive fridge.

00:55:14.000 And again, I'm all for very expensive fridges, but I'm also for people being able to work so that they can afford food in their fridge.

00:55:20.000 Apparently, Nancy Pelosi is not for that. 0.93

00:55:22.000 So she's holding up funding for small businesses, and she's standing in front of this fridge talking about how it's stocked with expensive gelato, chocolate ice cream.

00:55:30.000 And the RNC cut this viciously brutal ad.

00:55:32.000 It is perfectly honest, and it does demonstrate the disconnect.

00:55:35.000 You want to talk about an Earth 2?

00:55:36.000 This is an Earth 2.

00:55:39.000 You don't want to eat up everything all at one time.

00:55:41.000 I can't do it much longer.

00:55:42.000 I'm trying so hard.

00:55:43.000 We're, shall we say, enjoying.

00:55:45.000 Having to admit that, yeah, we're starving and... I like it better than anything else.

00:55:51.000 Taping this segment, there are 22 million people out.

00:55:54.000 This specific program is about stopping job losses today.

00:55:58.000 This has hurt.

00:56:00.000 Other people in our family go for some other flavors, but... Right now, it's survival mode.

00:56:05.000 You don't know where that next something else is gonna come from.

00:56:07.000 I don't know what I would have done if ice cream were not invented.

00:56:11.000 I just wonder.

00:56:14.000 Brutal ad, and then it says, uh, let them eat ice cream.

00:56:17.000 It is a brutal ad.

00:56:17.000 I mean, people are not eating.

00:56:18.000 People are going to food banks.

00:56:19.000 People are in line for food banks in Miami, going blocks at a time.

00:56:23.000 And we're pretending this is, you know, as Don Lemon says, just people who want to go out and get haircuts?

00:56:26.000 Really?

00:56:27.000 That's what's going on here? 1.00

00:56:28.000 Speaking of people who are completely disconnected, Bill de Blasio continues to be a complete tool bag of stupidity. 1.00

00:56:33.000 I mean, my goodness. 1.00

00:56:34.000 Bill de Blasio, groundhog murderer.

00:56:36.000 So, Bill de Blasio today tweeted out, or his office tweeted out, that when this is all over, they want to hold a ticker tape parade for healthcare workers.

00:56:42.000 Now, I'm all for rewarding healthcare workers, but a ticker tape parade sounds like a very, very bad idea.

00:56:48.000 At this time, what the hell are we talking about?

00:56:49.000 That wasn't even his most delusional comment of the last 36 hours.

00:56:52.000 My favorite, I did enjoy this, I did enjoy this, is Bill de Blasio And New York officials have decided that it is worthwhile to release inmates from Rikers Island.

00:57:00.000 Rikers is the jail facility where people are being held before trial.

00:57:05.000 And they decided we're not going to hold people.

00:57:06.000 We're going to let criminals out.

00:57:07.000 And then it turns out that some of those criminals, wait for it, wait for it, they are criminals.

00:57:11.000 And they go in there to perform crimes.

00:57:12.000 So Bill de Blasio suggests that he is just shocked by this.

00:57:18.000 He says that in fact it is unconscionable that criminals are performing crimes. 1.00

00:57:23.000 This may be the stupidest human being in the United States and he lives within a several block radius of the only competitor AOC. 1.00

00:57:31.000 Here is Bill de Blasio just being a communist moron. 1.00

00:57:33.000 My God, Bill de Blasio. 0.99

00:57:36.000 There would be, you know, a rigorous monitoring effort as well, and that has been built up.

00:57:43.000 We do see some recidivism.

00:57:45.000 I don't have the exact numbers.

00:57:46.000 We see some.

00:57:47.000 I've not seen a huge amount, but any amount is obviously troubling, and I think it's unconscionable just on a human level that folks were shown mercy, and this is what some of them have done, but, you know, it's a small number of people.

00:58:03.000 And you know, it's troubling and it's unconscionable.

00:58:05.000 Troubling and unconscionable.

00:58:07.000 I mean, I just can't believe it.

00:58:08.000 It's troubling.

00:58:09.000 That's what happens when you release criminals from prison.

00:58:12.000 Yes, Bill de Blasio.

00:58:14.000 Earth 2.

00:58:14.000 Because Bill de Blasio doesn't exist in the same world as the rest of you peons.

00:58:18.000 He's walking in the park with his wife.

00:58:20.000 Bill de Blasio doesn't live in your world.

00:58:24.000 The double standard that applies to people in positions of political and media power, it does allow them an enormous amount of wiggle room when it comes to declaring that everything is basically manageable as it currently stands.

00:58:40.000 It is not manageable as it currently stands.

00:58:42.000 And this is why you have to independently assess, and everybody should independently assess, what are the risk factors, the risks and the rewards of the policies that we are paying attention to?

00:58:51.000 And that is not an easy answer.

00:58:53.000 Anybody who gives you an easy answer, oh, we should open up right now, or we should close up right now, what the conditions are, nobody has an easy answer.

00:59:00.000 Anyone who suggests an easy answer is lying to you.

00:59:02.000 There is no easy answer.

00:59:03.000 There's no answer that reduces the risk to zero.

00:59:05.000 There is no answer that is going to completely save the economy in the absence of underlying demand.

00:59:12.000 So take everything with a grain of salt.

00:59:14.000 And I guess now we have to examine the motives of our public policymakers because they're making fairly obvious that many of them do have, in fact, ulterior motives and are disconnected from the worries of many people in American society.

00:59:25.000 And that's what's driving a lot of the political unrest.

00:59:27.000 You want to know how this became political?

00:59:28.000 Because, for a lot of people, it never stopped being political.

00:59:32.000 Alrighty, we'll be back here a little bit later today with two additional hours of content.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - April 21, 2020

How Reopening Became Political | Ep. 994

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