The Ben Shapiro Show - What If Nothing Changes? | Ep. 995

00:00:00.000 Well, everyone waits for a game changer to emerge.

00:00:02.000 We ask a simple question.

00:00:03.000 What if it doesn't?

00:00:04.000 Meanwhile, Congress passes another round of aid for small business and it's Earth Day, guys.

00:00:08.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:27.000 Alrighty, so today's Earth Day.

00:00:29.000 Are you excited?

00:00:30.000 Everybody loves Earth Day.

00:00:30.000 I'm excited.

00:00:31.000 Come on! 0.61

00:00:32.000 It's the best!

00:00:32.000 Earth Day!

00:00:33.000 What's there not to love about Earth Day?

00:00:35.000 I mean, a holiday that was created by a person who composted his girlfriend.

00:00:38.000 I mean, that is a dude who took Earth Day super seriously.

00:00:41.000 True story.

00:00:42.000 The guy who started Earth Day, killed his girlfriend, and put her in a trunk in his closet where she proceeded to drip into the bottom apartment, which is how she was originally.

00:00:55.000 Birthday's great.

00:00:56.000 Listen, we all appreciate our environment, particularly when it's trying to kill us.

00:00:59.000 I will say that my original take on nature has stood up pretty well over time, which is nature is trying to murder you.

00:01:05.000 And basically, all of human life is about trying to avoid nature murdering you.

00:01:09.000 The reason that I bring this up is because this morning, I'm starting to see the pagan awakening of some members of the radical left, many members of the radical left, suggesting that this is nature's revenge.

00:01:19.000 Nature's revenge.

00:01:20.000 Now, I have been informed by reliable sources That nature does not actually have intent.

00:01:26.000 I've been informed by reliable sources on the left that God doesn't exist, number one, and then even if God did exist, nature does not have intent, right?

00:01:35.000 I mean, evolutionary biology suggests that basically it's survival of the fittest out there, that nature is trying to kill you, and that those who survive, survive.

00:01:42.000 So the idea that nature is having her revenge because we were mean to nature, and now Mother Nature is coming out and just blasting us.

00:01:50.000 Mother Nature has decided to release a virus, unleash a plague upon us.

00:01:54.000 Pretty pagan. 1.00

00:01:55.000 Pretty pagan crap. 1.00

00:01:56.000 And frankly, I'm a bit upset with the Pope for pushing it. 1.00

00:02:01.000 So Pope Francis actually pushed this nonsense yesterday.

00:02:05.000 Or today, rather.

00:02:07.000 He made an impassioned plea, according to Reuters, for protection of the environment on Wednesday's 50th anniversary of the first Earth Day, which, again, is a pagan holiday.

00:02:14.000 Environmentalism has become a religion for a lot of folks, and complete with activities, like we have to separate our recycling and our trash, even though most of the time the recycling goes to the same place as the trash does, namely to the dump, or that it is more expensive in many cases to recycle than it is to throw things in the garbage.

00:02:31.000 I've talked about articles in the past that actually detail the cost breakdown to the environment, by the way.

00:02:35.000 in the entire recycling movement.

00:02:37.000 Recycling does some good things.

00:02:38.000 It also does some things that are pretty not great for the environment, including some fairly significant carbon emissions, depending on how you process all of that.

00:02:45.000 But it's become sort of a ritualistic thing for a lot of environmentalists to talk about the environment as though it has its own level of brute force intent, which, of course, it does not.

00:02:58.000 And the fact that the Pope is buying into it is pretty amazing.

00:03:01.000 Now, listen, I'm all in favor of protecting the environment from predations.

00:03:02.000 been saying it was necessary for young people to quote, take it to the streets to teach us what is obvious.

00:03:06.000 That is, there will be no future for us if we destroy the environment that sustains us.

00:03:10.000 Now, listen, I'm all in favor of protecting the environment from predations.

00:03:15.000 I'm all in favor of environmental regulations that prevent externalities, prevent you from polluting a river that I'm going to use, prevent you from just willy-nilly chopping down forests for no apparent reason.

00:03:25.000 I'm all...

00:03:26.000 Those regulations are good.

00:03:28.000 Otherwise, you end up with the so-called tragedy of the commons.

00:03:30.000 But the Pope's moral language here with regard to the environment itself is quite bizarre.

00:03:37.000 He recounted a Spanish proverb that God always forgives, man sometimes forgives, but nature never forgives.

00:03:45.000 Well, nature, I mean, nature doesn't forgive because nature does not have the power to forgive.

00:03:52.000 If you're looking for some sort of thing that you can do that will make nature nicer to you, good luck with that.

00:03:57.000 Good luck with that.

00:03:58.000 Most of human history was marked by privation and danger, thanks to the environment.

00:04:02.000 And it is only technology that has allowed us to surpass that.

00:04:05.000 We've forgotten about that because we live in an industrialized society.

00:04:07.000 We've forgotten about the fact that danger is just an inherent part of life and that nature is a very, very dangerous place.

00:04:13.000 One of the reasons that you live in comfort is because of technology designed against nature.

00:04:17.000 I'm not a big camping... I know a lot of people love camping.

00:04:19.000 I'm not a big camping person because civilization was basically designed to avoid camping.

00:04:23.000 That's it.

00:04:24.000 That's what civilization was designed to do.

00:04:26.000 So you have a permanent roof over your head.

00:04:28.000 And I understand getting out there and enjoying nature.

00:04:29.000 Really, I get it.

00:04:30.000 You know, I want to take my walk every day.

00:04:32.000 I want to go out and go for a hike with my kids.

00:04:34.000 But this bizarre idea that nature is taking revenge on us and that this is a punishment for global warming or some such is really quite insane.

00:04:43.000 And we are starting to see sort of the inklings of that on the left, an almost quasi celebration.

00:04:48.000 It started off a few weeks ago in like the in what they call the deep green movement, people who are celebrating.

00:04:53.000 Look at the cities going back to the animals, the cities being overrun by nature again.

00:04:57.000 Look how clear the sky is over Los Angeles.

00:05:01.000 We'll get in a second to the left's take on global warming, because the radical left, and it's not the entire left, right?

00:05:05.000 Most people on the left want to get back to work.

00:05:07.000 Most people who are liberals want to get back to work, and they are not into the whole, what if we just shut down all of human civilization?

00:05:12.000 Isn't this great?

00:05:13.000 But I'll show you in a second how this is starting to cross streams with some of the environmental movement.

00:05:20.000 Pope Francis said, we see these natural tragedies, which are the Earth's response to our maltreatment.

00:05:26.000 What?

00:05:27.000 The Earth doesn't have its own paganistic capacity.

00:05:32.000 He said, I think if I ask the Lord now what he thinks about this, I don't think he would say it's a very good thing.

00:05:35.000 It is we who have ruined the work of God. 0.50

00:05:38.000 I mean, right now, I'm fairly certain it is the environment that is responsible for, you know, hundreds of thousands of deaths around the world, tens of millions of people out of work.

00:05:47.000 The Earth's response to our... The Earth did not respond.

00:05:49.000 The Earth is not alive.

00:05:51.000 It says we have sinned against the earth, against our neighbor, and in the end, against the creator.

00:05:56.000 You can sin against your neighbor, and you can sin against the creator.

00:05:58.000 And you can say that failure to protect the environment is a sin against the creator.

00:06:01.000 I don't know how you sin against an inanimate object.

00:06:04.000 I don't know how it's possible to do that. 0.77

00:06:06.000 So this sort of, like, Frank, coming from the Pope, it's pagan nonsense. 0.85

00:06:09.000 I'm kind of shocked that he said all of this, except that he had talked about the notion of environmental sin before, so it's...

00:06:16.000 I find it puzzling.

00:06:17.000 That's all I will say about that.

00:06:18.000 However, this does cross streams, as I say, with other parts of the environmentalist movement.

00:06:22.000 We'll get to that in just a moment, and then we'll get to non-Earth Day related news, like actual important news.

00:06:27.000 We'll get to that in just one moment.

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00:07:41.000 OK, so as I as I mentioned, sort of last note on the environmentalist movement that is using this as using this pandemic as sort of a bizarre pagan ...belief system in which, because we drove cars, now nature has taken her revenge by killing 85-year-olds.

00:08:00.000 That is how nature has gone about doing this.

00:08:03.000 One aspect of this is the Green Movement's focus on global warming.

00:08:08.000 So Eric Holthaus, who is just a very, very clever fellow, apparently, he writes on climate at the cores.

00:08:15.000 He calls himself an eco-socialist.

00:08:19.000 And he wrote this.

00:08:20.000 So, CBC News put out this notice.

00:08:23.000 The coronavirus pandemic is expected to drive down carbon dioxide emissions by 6% this year, the World Meteorological Organization says.

00:08:30.000 It would be the biggest annual drop since World War II.

00:08:32.000 And Eric Holthaus wrote this.

00:08:33.000 This is roughly the same pace the IPCC says we need to sustain every year until 2030, to be on pace to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius and hit the Paris climate goals.

00:08:43.000 This is what rapid, far-reaching, unprecedented changes in all aspects of society looks like.

00:08:47.000 We're doing it.

00:08:48.000 It's possible.

00:08:49.000 We need to take some serious time and energy during this pandemic to look around and see what parts of this new way of living we can keep, like less air travel, and what parts we can't, like huge unemployment.

00:08:58.000 There is a balance.

00:08:59.000 That's the whole point of a Green New Deal. 0.95

00:08:59.000 We'll find it. 0.95

00:09:01.000 We need a just transition for workers and those who have been marginalized by the excesses of the capitalist system that got us into this mess.

00:09:08.000 We can build a better world for everyone out of the ashes of the old one.

00:09:12.000 And all I can think of here is that Monty Python sketch with Jesus on the cross singing, always look on the bright side of life.

00:09:20.000 Like, that's all I can think of here.

00:09:23.000 In the middle of a global pandemic, it's killing hundreds of thousands of people and tens of millions of people are out of work and can't feed their families.

00:09:28.000 And Eric Holdcost is like, yes, We can do this indefinitely.

00:09:31.000 And we can bring down the climate by 1.5 degrees Celsius over the next hundred years if we just keep this up for like the next decade.

00:09:37.000 If we just figure out how to do this for like the next decade.

00:09:40.000 Okay, sure, sure.

00:09:42.000 And these are the people who supposedly are deeply concerned about humanity and our future.

00:09:50.000 Great.

00:09:51.000 Okay, meanwhile, in other news, the Senate has now passed its bill for small business.

00:09:55.000 That was held up for a week for no apparent reason.

00:09:57.000 That was exciting stuff.

00:09:58.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, the Senate bill was struck last night.

00:10:02.000 It was a deal with the White House.

00:10:04.000 It was created Tuesday to send hundreds of billions of dollars in fresh aid to small businesses and hospitals.

00:10:08.000 That's the federal government's latest efforts to keep pace with the twin economic and public health crises created by the coronavirus pandemic.

00:10:14.000 The Senate on Tuesday evening passed the $484 billion bill by a voice vote, sending it to the House for an approval expected on Thursday.

00:10:20.000 President Trump said on Twitter he supported the legislation.

00:10:22.000 Its final components were hammered out between top White House officials and congressional leaders in the early morning hours on Tuesday.

00:10:29.000 The package which lawmakers dubbed an interim emergency bill.

00:10:32.000 So we have now spent, by the Senate and by the Congress of the United States, we've now spent in excess of $2.6 trillion in the last four weeks.

00:10:39.000 That does not include the $4 trillion expended by the Treasury.

00:10:42.000 Also includes funding to ramp up the country's testing for new coronavirus.

00:10:45.000 It does not include funding sought by Democrats for hard-hit state and local budgets, which was instead pushed off to the next round of stimulus negotiations.

00:10:51.000 As I've said, you got to be real careful about that.

00:10:54.000 It's one thing to fill in the gaps created by federal policy.

00:10:57.000 It is another thing to pay off California for California's crap policy for the last 10 years, running up its debt. 0.64

00:11:02.000 Or Illinois. 0.97

00:11:03.000 Or New York.

00:11:04.000 Top Republican signaled concerns about the mounting debt would play a bigger role in talks about future stimulus aid, which it should.

00:11:09.000 We cannot spend this money endlessly, guys.

00:11:11.000 And by the way, the original CARES Act was filled with holes.

00:11:14.000 It now turns out that the Republican objection that the CARES Act, which paid people $1,200 a month and then added $600 a month on top of that so that some people were making more money by staying home than by going to work, that has actually had some fairly significant effects.

00:11:26.000 It turns out a lot of people were like, OK, well, I'm not going back to work.

00:11:29.000 Why would I go back to work?

00:11:30.000 We've taken calls on the radio show from business owners who are going to their employees and saying, we want you to come back to work so we can get a small business loan because you have to maintain 90% employment to get the small business loan through the Paycheck Protection Act.

00:11:42.000 And employees being like, no, I'm not coming back to work.

00:11:44.000 I'm making more money staying at home.

00:11:46.000 Because that's what happens when you create perverse incentives. 0.99

00:11:49.000 Every government program sucks. 0.99

00:11:50.000 This one might be necessary, and it also might suck. 0.99

00:11:52.000 Both of those things can be true at the same time.

00:11:55.000 The Democrats held this thing up for a week for no reason at all.

00:11:58.000 Kevin McCarthy, the House Minority Leader, he says, you're going to have to explain, like, name one thing that Nancy Pelosi has done well during this pandemic.

00:12:05.000 Because all she's been doing is holding up aid relief bills in the middle of a crisis, and that will lead to further unemployment. 1.00

00:12:11.000 Name me one productive thing Speaker Pelosi has accomplished during this pandemic.

00:12:16.000 When President Trump on January 31st put in the ban from China, February 24th she asked people to gather together in San Francisco.

00:12:24.000 She actually fought the ban.

00:12:26.000 We wanted to put the CARES Act together.

00:12:27.000 She came in, held it up.

00:12:29.000 Now we had a small business program working.

00:12:32.000 She's now held up the money.

00:12:33.000 There's 700,000 small business applications in right now trying to keep their doors open.

00:12:39.000 Last week we watched 5 million people, new numbers, for unemployment.

00:12:43.000 How many more millions of Pelosi's layoffs will we have to endure before she'll put people before politics? 1.00

00:12:50.000 And the answer is, as many as Nancy Pelosi sees fit to make people endure so that she can dump a bunch of pork into each one of these programs. 1.00

00:12:56.000 At the core of our agreement, says Mitch McConnell, is $320 billion more for the Paycheck Protection Program, which is already saving millions of small business jobs and helping Americans get paychecks instead of pink slips.

00:13:06.000 Those funds were exhausted inside of like two weeks.

00:13:09.000 Businesses are just shutting down everywhere because nobody, the market doesn't exist.

00:13:14.000 I mean, the reason that oil prices sank to negative levels as of May 1st, is because nobody's driving to work.

00:13:20.000 I mean, there's nobody on the roads.

00:13:21.000 There's nobody who's going out and driving.

00:13:23.000 Eric Holthaus couldn't be happier.

00:13:24.000 I mean, we are saving the earth.

00:13:25.000 All we had to do was make all of human civilization stop dead and put tens of millions of people out of work.

00:13:30.000 Democrats were pressing for changes to the program to widen its access to loans.

00:13:35.000 $60 billion will be set aside for small, midsize, and community lenders.

00:13:39.000 A separate program, the Economic Injury Disaster Loan Fund, aimed at delivering a mix of grants and loans, gets $60 billion in the legislation.

00:13:48.000 Loans can be forgiven if businesses maintain the size of their workforce.

00:13:51.000 So it's good that this passed.

00:13:52.000 Nancy Pelosi held it up again to basically achieve nothing. 1.00

00:13:56.000 And this is the second time that she has done this, right?

00:13:58.000 She held up the CARES Act for a week after it had already been hammered out by Schumer and McConnell.

00:14:02.000 She held it up for a week for no apparent reason.

00:14:03.000 She held this one up for a week for no apparent reason because she's just awful. 0.99

00:14:06.000 She's just awful in every possible way. 0.95

00:14:08.000 Here she was on MSNBC this morning suggesting Republicans had held up the bill even though, again, the deal had been hammered out and then she jet-setted in from her very expensive palatial estate in California to hold the thing up.

00:14:19.000 We're very pleased that the Senate finally accepted the fact that we needed more money for testing, for hospitals, for lower and smaller businesses to participate in the Paycheck Protection Program.

00:14:35.000 Mitch McConnell likes to say we delayed the bill.

00:14:38.000 No, he delayed the bill.

00:14:41.000 Weeks ago, he came to the floor and said, this is all we're doing, just the 250.

00:14:47.000 And the Democrats were reunited, House and Senate.

00:14:51.000 The Senate Democrats went to the floor and said, no, no to that.

00:14:55.000 We have a better idea.

00:14:57.000 Nope.

00:15:01.000 change very much over time.

00:15:02.000 Nancy Pelosi did not earn much more in the bill. 0.98

00:15:05.000 It was just a holdup.

00:15:06.000 Okay, so meanwhile, all of this leads to the asking of a question.

00:15:09.000 None of this is sustainable, right?

00:15:11.000 We can't just keep spending money like this.

00:15:12.000 At a certain point, we're going to have to inflate the currency.

00:15:14.000 There's no market for our debt at a certain point.

00:15:16.000 We're going to start floating 50 and 100-year bonds.

00:15:19.000 You just can't do this for very long.

00:15:20.000 There's just no way to do it.

00:15:21.000 In a country of 330 million people and the engine of economic civilization, you cannot do this indefinitely.

00:15:26.000 So the question becomes, how do we reopen, obviously?

00:15:29.000 And the real question becomes, what exactly are we supposed to wait for?

00:15:32.000 Like, what is the level of waiting we are supposed to engage in?

00:15:36.000 What are we waiting to happen to allow us to reopen?

00:15:38.000 Some people are saying, we're waiting for a vaccine.

00:15:41.000 Well, the vaccine ain't arriving, okay?

00:15:43.000 It's not arriving anytime soon.

00:15:44.000 At best, 12 to 18 months.

00:15:46.000 By the way, there is zero evidence so far that there will even be a vaccine at all.

00:15:51.000 I mean, like, at all, at all.

00:15:52.000 The flu vaccine is not particularly effective.

00:15:54.000 The reason it's not particularly effective is because the flu virus mutates.

00:15:58.000 We have yet to come up with a single vaccine for coronavirus that is actually...

00:16:04.000 100% effective or 90% effective or anything close to it.

00:16:08.000 Coronavirus is its own sort of strain.

00:16:10.000 It's very difficult to come up with a vaccine for it.

00:16:12.000 And according to a new study, a vaccine is not going to be forthcoming maybe, maybe ever.

00:16:16.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

00:16:17.000 That doesn't mean we're not going to get some treatments, but we need to be realistic about what the future looks like if we hope to get back to anything presuming normal or even remotely approaching normal.

00:16:26.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:17:57.000 Okay, so let's go through the sort of future here.

00:18:02.000 What the future looks like.

00:18:04.000 So I've got good news and I've got bad news.

00:18:06.000 OK, so why don't we start with the bad news?

00:18:08.000 Because that's what I always do.

00:18:09.000 I always start with bad news.

00:18:10.000 We get that out of the way.

00:18:11.000 So here is the bad news.

00:18:12.000 There may not be a vaccine.

00:18:14.000 For all the talk about a vaccine, we're going to develop a vaccine.

00:18:16.000 Everyone's working on a vaccine.

00:18:17.000 As I say, there's been very little evidence that vaccines for coronavirus have been particularly successful.

00:18:21.000 Remember, it took us like 30 years to even come up with a drug cocktail that was effective against HIV AIDS.

00:18:26.000 So the idea that you're going to come up inside of a year with a vaccine for a coronavirus seems fairly difficult.

00:18:32.000 Also, the Jerusalem Post reports a new study in China has found that the novel coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different variations, showing that medical officials have vastly underestimated the overall ability of the virus to mutate.

00:18:42.000 So if it's mutating, then you're not going to be able to create a successful vaccine for it.

00:18:47.000 And meanwhile, the CDC director is saying that the second wave in winter could theoretically be even worse.

00:18:53.000 Robert Redfield spoke with the Washington Post.

00:18:54.000 He said there's a possibility the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through.

00:19:00.000 When I've said this to others, they kind of put their head back.

00:19:02.000 They don't understand what I mean.

00:19:05.000 So, you know, the reason that he is saying that is if the virus is still around and if people go out and they are back in school and they're going about their business, well, then presumably the spread will be wider.

00:19:15.000 I mean, right now the spread is not all that wide because everybody has locked down and it depends on area.

00:19:21.000 So there's an article that I saw today in Spiked Online Magazine talking about the effectiveness of lockdowns.

00:19:29.000 The article is by a guy named Wilfred Riley, who's a political scientist, and he points out that states that have not locked down are not doing worse than states that have locked down.

00:19:38.000 The seven states that have not locked down are Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming.

00:19:45.000 The states reported 37, 60, 21, 9, 7, 20, and two deaths, respectively, for an average of 22.3 deaths.

00:19:51.000 Throwing in South Carolina, the states averaged 33 deaths.

00:19:55.000 If you measure up those states against the rest of the United States, what you see is that they're actually doing significantly better than the rest of the United States.

00:20:02.000 Now, the answer is that it has nothing to do with those states don't have lockdowns, the other states do have lockdowns.

00:20:07.000 It has to do with population density, obviously.

00:20:09.000 Okay, and you can adjust for population density, sort of, but you can't really adjust for the fact that New York City is a massively, massively populous place that is responsible for something like 30%, 30, 25 to 30% of all deaths in the United States are just New York City.

00:20:23.000 So, really heavily populous places, you might need lockdowns if you hope to curb the spread of this thing.

00:20:28.000 But if you're looking at Utah, probably not.

00:20:30.000 People just live further apart.

00:20:32.000 The risk factors are not the same.

00:20:34.000 You can adjust for population in the stats, but it doesn't completely adjust for populations in the stats.

00:20:40.000 So, if you extend this more broadly across the world, it is not clear that lockdowns are going to be particularly effective, at least not for long, because as people go out, they're going to infect each other again.

00:20:52.000 So, what exactly can we hope for?

00:20:53.000 Well, we can hope for some sort of drug reductions here.

00:20:56.000 We can hope for the success of that Gilead Pharmaceuticals drug, Resmidivir.

00:21:01.000 That one, Remsidivir.

00:21:03.000 We can hope for the effectiveness of that particular drug.

00:21:06.000 We can hope that some of the new techniques that are being used, like immunosuppressants, because there's a belief that maybe cytokine storms are leading, too strong an immune response is leading to overload of the system, basically.

00:21:16.000 We can hope for that.

00:21:17.000 We can't really hope for the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine anymore.

00:21:21.000 There's a new malaria study on hydroxychloroquine, a nationwide study.

00:21:26.000 With 368 patients, it was the largest look so far at hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin.

00:21:32.000 The study was posted online and it found that 28% of those who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died versus 11% of those getting routine care alone.

00:21:42.000 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too.

00:21:44.000 The difference between that group and the usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors.

00:21:49.000 Hydroxychloroquine made no difference in the need for a breathing machine either.

00:21:52.000 So hydroxychloroquine has not been effective.

00:21:54.000 There were scientists in Brazil.

00:21:55.000 They stopped part of a study testing chloroquine, which is an older drug similar after heart rhythm problems developed in one quarter of people, given the higher doses of two being tested.

00:22:04.000 So Plaquenil, which is the on brand version of the drug, has not been effective against There was anecdotal evidence that maybe it was working, but it appears not to be.

00:22:14.000 Meanwhile, there's another drug that is being put out in Israel, a COVID-19 treatment called Pluristem.

00:22:20.000 Which is now being utilized and tested in the United States.

00:22:23.000 There's a report by the company showing that six critically ill coronavirus patients in Israel considered high risk for mortality were treated with Pluristem's placenta-based cell therapy product and survived, according to preliminary data provided by the Haifa-based company.

00:22:36.000 There was one U.S.

00:22:37.000 case where this was treated.

00:22:39.000 That patient was critically ill with respiratory failure due to acute respiratory distress syndrome, was intubated in an ICU for three weeks.

00:22:46.000 So they're hoping that maybe this will be a mitigating circumstance.

00:22:51.000 That's probably the best that we can hope for at this point, is that by the time we get to fall, there are some new drugs on the market that help curb the effect of this thing.

00:23:01.000 But other than that, I don't think there are going to be a lot of major changes until the fall.

00:23:05.000 Other than the development of drugs, I don't think there's going to be a lot of major changes until the fall.

00:23:07.000 So, what are you locking down until, is the question.

00:23:11.000 Like, what is the purpose of locking down?

00:23:12.000 So, if you're locking down until you have curbed the spread such that we can actually measure hotspot increases, as I mentioned yesterday, that's fair, right?

00:23:20.000 We want to at least get it to the point where you can identify a hotspot when it arises.

00:23:23.000 That's fine.

00:23:24.000 Once the state has done that, that's about all they can do.

00:23:26.000 And that brings us to a little bit of good news and possible strategies.

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00:24:41.000 Okay, so in a piece of good news, Despite all of this, as Dr. Deborah Brooks said yesterday, the United States still has one of the lowest death rates on planet Earth.

00:24:50.000 So the talk about how the United States has completely botched this and mishandled this, there's this massive disconnect in the media between how they think the U.S.

00:24:56.000 has handled this and how the U.S.

00:24:57.000 has actually handled this.

00:24:58.000 If you look at deaths per million in the United States, we rank right in the middle of European countries.

00:25:02.000 We are not the worst in the world.

00:25:03.000 We don't have the worst healthcare system in the world.

00:25:05.000 Our systems were not overwhelmed the way systems were overwhelmed in Italy and are now being overwhelmed in Japan. 0.99

00:25:10.000 All the talk of how the United States healthcare system is so Byzantine and it's so terrible and it's just crap. 0.97

00:25:14.000 It's just not true. 0.95

00:25:16.000 Okay, we have a one city that has an extraordinarily dense population with a lot of people with pre-existing conditions, a lot of elderly folks, and the death rates there are exceedingly high.

00:25:27.000 Even there, the healthcare system is not overwhelmed.

00:25:29.000 Here's Dr. Deborah Birx pointing out that we still have one of the lowest death rates in the world.

00:25:33.000 They have been on the front lines now for weeks and weeks and weeks.

00:25:37.000 And so no matter what city they have been in, they have not seen the relief that we've been able to talk about at the end of the tunnel because of the delay in hospitalizations and deaths.

00:25:48.000 So to our health care providers, to our respiratory therapists, and to everyone in the labs, thank you for the work that you're doing to protect Americans and give us one of the lowest mortality rates in the entire world.

00:26:01.000 Okay, and that is good news.

00:26:03.000 It is also good news that we are seeing a study out of Stockholm, Sweden.

00:26:07.000 I honestly don't understand why people are so negative about Sweden.

00:26:12.000 Like, I understand if you don't like their policy, or you think their policy is the wrong policy.

00:26:15.000 That's fine.

00:26:16.000 Like, policy critiques are fine.

00:26:17.000 There are people who seem to be actively rooting against what Sweden is doing.

00:26:20.000 Because maybe they like the lockdown policy so much that they're rooting against Sweden or they're rooting against Georgia.

00:26:25.000 They're sort of hoping against hope that something bad happens in Georgia to convince people to stay home across.

00:26:30.000 You should be rooting for the success in Sweden.

00:26:32.000 According to the Swedish experts, they're now saying, They're now saying that there will be a fairly high percentage of people who have been infected in Sweden in very short order, so they are approaching herd immunity.

00:26:45.000 That is Sweden's approach, right?

00:26:47.000 You sort of let people walk around and be responsible.

00:26:50.000 I've now asked pretty much everybody, left, right, and center, where we are going to end up in terms of actual policy.

00:26:54.000 The answer is we will end up doing what Sweden does. 0.98

00:26:56.000 The only question is whether we do that sooner or whether we do that later.

00:27:00.000 And as we are seeing, some states are doing it sooner and some states are doing it later. 0.77

00:27:02.000 And pretending that all states are equivalent is ridiculous.

00:27:05.000 The New York-based media is so angry at Georgia for suggesting reopening of shops.

00:27:09.000 And by the way, just because you say that shops can reopen does not mean that shops will reopen.

00:27:13.000 Many shops are not reopening in Georgia.

00:27:15.000 Many shops are saying, listen, we don't have the capacity to do temperature checks.

00:27:18.000 We don't have the ability to socially distance.

00:27:20.000 So we're just not going to open until the spread has been slowed a little bit more.

00:27:24.000 The media, I think, completely got wrong the Georgia policies as well, because those suggestions seem to be that people are going to willy-nilly go out bowling, no masks, no social distancing, that people are going to go to restaurants and spit on each other.

00:27:35.000 That is not the case.

00:27:36.000 In order for you to reopen your business, you have to take certain preliminary steps, like everyone has to be masked, everybody has to socially distance, right?

00:27:42.000 Enforceable by law.

00:27:43.000 That's in the Georgia order.

00:27:44.000 Brian Kemp, who's the governor of Georgia, was on Fox News with Martha McCallum, and he was explaining the policy.

00:27:49.000 Can you explain why you would start with those kinds of businesses on day one?

00:27:54.000 Well, those are the ones that are closed.

00:27:56.000 The other businesses in Georgia are still currently opening under the order that I have now, and we're coming down.

00:28:03.000 I think that's what a lot of people don't understand, but you also have to give that fitness owner or that owner in a hair salon the ability to be able to be a partner in this fight that we're in.

00:28:16.000 This is going to take some common sense.

00:28:18.000 Our people in our state have learned a lot through this.

00:28:21.000 They have helped us be a solution to the problem, to flatten the curve, and to start getting on the other side of this.

00:28:29.000 Okay, people on the left are wildly angry at Brian Kemp for doing this.

00:28:32.000 Like, they should be rooting for it to work, right?

00:28:34.000 Because that way we can all start tranching back into work, which would be the idea.

00:28:38.000 People who are vulnerable will still be out of the workforce, people who have pre-existing conditions, people who are elderly, people who live with people who are older, right?

00:28:44.000 Those people will be last to go back to the workforce because you don't want to expose people.

00:28:47.000 But we're going to have to start getting back to something that approaches a workforce at this point.

00:28:52.000 The media, we're fighting mad about this.

00:28:54.000 So Chris Hayes over at MSNBC says this is reckless, it's illogical, it's just terrible.

00:28:58.000 Why is Georgia doing something like this? 1.00

00:29:00.000 Look at the state of Georgia, which is about to reopen a wide range of businesses under Republican Governor Brian Kemp.

00:29:07.000 If that sounds insane to you, you're not alone.

00:29:11.000 For the record, Georgia does not meet the White House guidelines.

00:29:15.000 It does not have a 14-day trajectory of declining cases.

00:29:18.000 It has tested less than 90,000 people out of a population of more than 10 million.

00:29:23.000 Mayors in Georgia are describing the governor's decision as reckless, dangerous, and illogical.

00:29:30.000 Okay, well, those mayors are ignoring the fact that actually the infection rate is now below one in Georgia.

00:29:36.000 If you actually look at the stats in Georgia, what you'll see is that there's an increasing number of positive tests, but if you chart that against the number of tests overall that are being taken, that chart shows the lines diverging, meaning that hugely increasing number of tests, slightly and consistently increasing number of positive cases.

00:29:54.000 You can actually see the chart if you're watching the show.

00:29:56.000 That red line is the number of total tests being taken in Georgia.

00:29:59.000 That blue line is the number of positive tests.

00:30:01.000 What you would expect to see is the blue line trending up at a faster rate as the number of tests increases.

00:30:05.000 Instead, what you are seeing is a consistency in the number of tests that are coming back positive, which is a smaller percentage than the total number of tests that are coming back in.

00:30:16.000 Eric Erickson, who's a radio host in Georgia, he says, The infection rate does not get talked about a lot.

00:30:22.000 It's the measure of a virus's ability to reproduce, the reproduction rate.

00:30:25.000 If the RT, which is what it's called, is above 1, the virus will spread.

00:30:28.000 If it's below 1, the virus will stop spreading.

00:30:30.000 Healthcare experts have been telling us since March people need to shelter in place to get the RT below 1.

00:30:35.000 Once it was below 1, we could start slowly reopening.

00:30:37.000 In Georgia, the state is below 1.

00:30:39.000 Not only that, but daily new cases continue to fall.

00:30:41.000 Here are the present numbers in Georgia based on daily new cases.

00:30:44.000 April 14th, 830.

00:30:44.000 April 15th, 634.

00:30:44.000 April 16th, 661.

00:30:45.000 April 17th, 537.

00:30:45.000 April 18th, 256.

00:30:46.000 April 19th, 157.

00:30:46.000 April 20th, 96.

00:30:47.000 The trend is remarkably good.

00:30:47.000 April 21, 23.

00:30:48.000 The virus is definitely declining.

00:30:49.000 537, April 18th, 256, April 19th, 157, April 20th, 96, April 21, 23.

00:30:55.000 The trend is remarkably good.

00:30:56.000 The virus is definitely declining.

00:30:58.000 So Georgia is, in fact, flattening the curve.

00:31:04.000 I mean, Georgia's flattening the curve. 1.00

00:31:05.000 So why exactly are people rooting against all of this?

00:31:09.000 I do not understand.

00:31:11.000 So Sanjay Gupta over at CNN, he was saying, it's clear that we're not ready to open parts of the country.

00:31:15.000 Look, even Andrew Cuomo in New York is saying that elective surgeries in parts of New York that are not New York City should be allowed.

00:31:21.000 Businesses in New York are going to reopen.

00:31:23.000 It's just not going to be in New York City first.

00:31:24.000 Here's Sanjay Gupta with Chris Cuomo.

00:31:27.000 We are clear that the virus is still out there.

00:31:30.000 We are clear that we are not ready.

00:31:32.000 It is clear what the guidelines are and that we haven't met them.

00:31:36.000 And it's also clear that a lot of people, Chris, are frightened about this.

00:31:39.000 They're frightened to go out.

00:31:40.000 So you open up businesses, but people are not likely to go.

00:31:42.000 Is that doorknob safe?

00:31:44.000 Did that person get tested?

00:31:45.000 Has this place been sterilized?

00:31:46.000 What about the ventilation?

00:31:47.000 I mean, all these questions still coming up among people because people are, you know, they're understandably worried.

00:31:55.000 Right, but what if none of those things change?

00:31:57.000 Really, what if none of those things change?

00:31:58.000 What if the testing is in place?

00:31:59.000 And that doesn't mean people aren't walking around infected.

00:32:02.000 It just means that you can identify a hotspot.

00:32:04.000 All the things he mentioned are probably going to be part of the new reality.

00:32:06.000 Is that doorknob infected?

00:32:08.000 Was this table sterilized?

00:32:10.000 Are people near me carrying it?

00:32:11.000 Right, all that is going to be part of the new reality.

00:32:13.000 That's just the way that it works.

00:32:15.000 Okay, that is the reality.

00:32:19.000 Until there's new treatments that come out, a vaccine, as I say, is I think unlikely.

00:32:25.000 We're going to have to deal with the increased risk, and we're going to have to go back to a certain level of reality, because this cannot last.

00:32:31.000 What is happening right now simply is not palatable.

00:32:34.000 It's not something that can last.

00:32:35.000 And as we will see, the federal government is going to take some steps to step in if states continue to lock down indefinitely without any sort of actual measurement, any metric of when it is safe.

00:32:44.000 By Gupta's standard there, there is no metric by which it is safe to go back to work.

00:32:48.000 If we can't go back to work until everybody feels secure that the virus is no longer out there, well, then we're going to get the Eric Holdhout solution of being home for the next 10 years.

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00:36:06.000 So there seems to be this sort of panicked belief that we are not going anywhere until there's a vaccine.

00:36:16.000 I'm part of many in the media, many Democrats, that somehow there's going to be a deus ex machina, that there will be some outside intervention that will fix all of this tomorrow.

00:36:25.000 And part of that is our attention span in modern society is five seconds long.

00:36:28.000 And so you're constantly refreshing Twitter to see if somebody has come up with a cure.

00:36:31.000 Part of that is also our risk level in society has dropped so dramatically.

00:36:36.000 That we are not willing to undertake certain risks.

00:36:38.000 And listen, I'm not saying that if you are elderly or vulnerable, if you don't have a pre-existing condition, and when I say elderly, I really mean above age 60, that you should be out running around willy-nilly no problem, right?

00:36:48.000 You should be taking all the measures you can take to keep yourself safe.

00:36:51.000 If you're in regular contact with those people, you should be taking measures to keep those people safe.

00:36:54.000 All of that happens to be true.

00:36:56.000 It also happens to be true That your baseline level of risk if you are young and healthy is nearly zero.

00:37:01.000 It is extremely, extremely low.

00:37:03.000 And if governors are waiting for something, I'm not sure what they are waiting for.

00:37:06.000 Once you have, again, lowered the rate to the point where your healthcare system will not be overwhelmed, and two, you can actually identify hotspots as they grow, that's pretty much all you can do.

00:37:14.000 Well, Attorney General William Barr said on Tuesday the DOJ is going to consider supporting people and groups who allege that their rights have been violated by pandemic policies, which is good.

00:37:20.000 You're starting to see these bizarre videos emerge all over the country of police arresting people doing, like, absolutely nothing.

00:37:27.000 There was a video that was floating around Twitter, and unless there's more to the story, it's egregious, of a mother being arrested because she took her kid to the park.

00:37:33.000 Like, seriously, enough.

00:37:35.000 This is not sustainable.

00:37:36.000 It's just not sustainable. 1.00

00:37:38.000 The American people should not stand for this kind of garbage. 0.99

00:37:41.000 I will say, I've never been proud of America. 0.96

00:37:43.000 And I was when I saw the story that Bill de Blasio had requested that everybody in New York send tips to the mayoral office of people who are not socially distancing.

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00:37:54.000 And instead he was inundated with dicks. 1.00

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00:38:00.000 America was already great.

00:38:02.000 Here was Attorney General William Barr saying, listen, if governors are pursuing policies that violate people's civil liberties and violate their constitutional rights, and there is not evidence to back those policies, we are going to sue those governors.

00:38:15.000 I think the president's guidance has been, as I say, superb and very commonsensical.

00:38:21.000 And I think a lot of the governors are following that.

00:38:25.000 And, you know, to the extent that governors don't and impinge on either civil rights or on the national commerce, our common market that we have here, then we'll have to address that.

00:38:39.000 These are very, very burdensome We have to remember, for the limited purpose of slowing down the spread, that is bending the curve, we didn't adopt them as the comprehensive way of dealing with this disease.

00:38:58.000 Well, that is right.

00:38:59.000 I mean, the new normal can't be you stay home.

00:39:02.000 The new normal may be something that is annoying, like you have to wear a mask all the time, like you have to socially distance.

00:39:06.000 At our offices, I know that that's what people are doing, right?

00:39:08.000 I mean, that is what people are doing.

00:39:10.000 We have a disproportionately young office, and we are in a vital industry, so people are allowed to work at our offices.

00:39:15.000 We're not violating the law, nor are we encouraging people to do so.

00:39:19.000 That is going to be something like the new normal.

00:39:21.000 Now, meanwhile, President Trump finally put out his executive order on immigration.

00:39:25.000 And guess what?

00:39:26.000 It's not bad.

00:39:27.000 Like, there's nothing wrong with the executive order.

00:39:29.000 There are some people who say it's not strict enough in limiting immigration because all it really does is it temporarily bars new immigrants, including some family members of U.S.

00:39:36.000 citizens and foreign workers, looking to move to the United States in the next 60 days alone under a new executive order.

00:39:42.000 The temporary immigration suspension is designed to reduce immigration at a time when tens of millions of Americans have lost jobs.

00:39:48.000 There are some people who are saying that's not going to do it.

00:39:49.000 I mean, a 60-day ban isn't going to do it because people aren't even going back to work, many of them, in the next 60 days, particularly in areas like New York or New Jersey.

00:39:57.000 The executive order does not impact immigrants already living in the United States or foreigners coming on temporary visas for work or travel.

00:40:04.000 So that means that you're actually not even decreasing the number of workers, which, you know, frankly, it seems to me that if you're trying to limit the amount of labor in American society at a time when 30 million people are out of work, Which is not the world's worst idea, then this is insufficient.

00:40:17.000 That category includes H-1B visas, which allow more than 85,000 high-skilled foreigners to come to the United States for at least three years to work.

00:40:24.000 It also includes seasonal migrant workers who come to the U.S.

00:40:26.000 annually to work on farms where they make up about a tenth of the agricultural workforce.

00:40:30.000 And in other businesses, such as resorts and county fairs, the executive order is less restrictive than advocates on both sides had earlier expected.

00:40:37.000 It doesn't actually impact most employment-based immigration.

00:40:40.000 So basically it just says you can't come in right now.

00:40:42.000 Mark Krikorian, who is the strict-on-immigration president of the Center for Immigration Studies, he says it's a PR stunt more than anything else, which it may very well be.

00:40:51.000 So all of the objections that this is like the end of the world, that's just not correct. 0.99

00:40:55.000 That has not prevented people from fulminating in the most idiotic fashion. 0.98

00:40:58.000 Beto O'Rourke tweeted about how he wanted people to work on the farms. 0.99

00:41:02.000 I mean, honestly, if a Republican had tweeted this, everybody would be like, this guy's kind of a racist.

00:41:06.000 Beto O'Rourke tweeted, and this is great because I get to bring back my Beto.

00:41:10.000 Who the bleep do you think is working on the farms and feedlots, brah, in the packing houses and processing plants at a time when we are struggling to feed ourselves?

00:41:18.000 Kickflip! 1.00

00:41:20.000 Who's picking, preparing, serving the food we eat, cleaning up afterwards?

00:41:20.000 Who's in the kitchen?

00:41:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:28.000 Not great there, Beto O'Rourke.

00:41:30.000 Meanwhile, reporters were asking Trump, are you using the coronavirus to reduce legal immigration?

00:41:34.000 Is this your cruel, cruel... Again, it doesn't actually reduce even the employment visas that are coming in, really.

00:41:42.000 Here's a reporter completely botching the story as per our usual arrangement in the American media.

00:41:46.000 Some critics are saying that you are using the virus now in this crisis to follow through on that promise to reduce legal injuries.

00:41:52.000 No, no.

00:41:53.000 Well, I want people that are in this country, I want our citizens to get jobs. 1.00

00:41:57.000 I don't want them to have competition.

00:41:59.000 We have a very Unusual situation.

00:42:03.000 I don't want them to compete right now.

00:42:05.000 There's a big difference when we have a full economy and frankly where some of the companies, we have many companies moving in, where they need actually, they need workers.

00:42:14.000 That's a big difference between that and where all of a sudden a lot of people lose jobs.

00:42:19.000 Okay, so again, there's the reporter completely blowing it.

00:42:22.000 Speaking of the media completely blowing it, the continued insanity of Chris Cuomo is pretty amazing.

00:42:27.000 So yesterday, Chris Cuomo emerged from his basement To the wild cheers of, I guess, the internal staff at CNN, he emerged from his basement in what is obviously the most produced video everywhere, of any time.

00:42:41.000 He's overacting more than Nicolas Cage in every Nicolas Cage movie.

00:42:49.000 He emerges from his basement.

00:42:50.000 Now, what's hilarious about this, of course, is that CNN's Chris Cuomo had been spotted Like actually traveling from one of his houses to a construction site where construction was taking place in another one of his houses.

00:43:00.000 So this is not the first time he's emerged from the basement.

00:43:02.000 I guess the idea here was that if he emerged from the basement and then went back down into the basement, then we would get six more weeks of winter.

00:43:08.000 But here was Chris Cuomo emerging from the basement over at CNN in the most dramatic possible fashion.

00:43:15.000 Here it is.

00:43:16.000 The official re-entry from the basement.

00:43:20.000 Cleared by CDC.

00:43:21.000 A little sweaty.

00:43:22.000 Just worked out.

00:43:23.000 Happens.

00:43:25.000 This is what I've been dreaming of, literally, for weeks.

00:43:29.000 My wife... She was cleared by the CDC.

00:43:35.000 She doesn't have fever.

00:43:36.000 She doesn't have the symptoms anymore.

00:43:37.000 More than seven days from her quarantine.

00:43:40.000 We're still a little scared, so I'll just give you one of these.

00:43:43.000 Just give you one of these.

00:43:47.000 Bella has, of course, taken the video.

00:43:50.000 This is the dream.

00:43:53.000 Okay, except that he had emerged from that basement many times before.

00:43:56.000 So, well done, CNN.

00:43:58.000 So, Chris Cuomo, when he's not emerging in a fake, obviously, second-take video, when he's not emerging from his basement, he has also explained that we're not seeing urgency from our leaders.

00:44:07.000 And this is the media narrative that drives me up a wall.

00:44:09.000 The media have promoted two specific lies here.

00:44:12.000 Lie number one is that there will come a time in the near future when we are all safe and we can all go back to work as normal, and that will require 87 million tests a day, and also it will require a vaccine, and anybody who says differently wants to kill you.

00:44:24.000 That is lie number one. 0.98

00:44:25.000 That is completely ridiculous. 0.79

00:44:26.000 Flattening the curve was never about that. 0.67

00:44:28.000 Testing was never about that.

00:44:29.000 So that is deeply irresponsible of the media.

00:44:32.000 The other thing that the media keeps saying is that the federal administration, because Trump is the president, that they are not doing sufficient action, that they don't care deeply about this.

00:44:40.000 What are you talking about?

00:44:42.000 What are you talking about?

00:44:43.000 So here is Chris Cuomo suggesting we're not seeing urgency from our leaders.

00:44:45.000 Are we really not?

00:44:46.000 Are we not seeing urgency from our leaders, Chris Cuomo?

00:44:49.000 Seriously?

00:44:49.000 We've dumped, at this point, $7 trillion out the door on the federal level.

00:44:54.000 We've created hundreds of thousands of ventilators.

00:44:59.000 It is amusing, right?

00:44:59.000 Here's Chris Cuomo explaining that our leaders are not showing great urgency in the middle of the worst pandemic in modern American history.

00:45:07.000 People are doing amazing things all the time to help other people during this pandemic.

00:45:12.000 My frustration is we need that from our leaders as well.

00:45:16.000 That desperate times, desperate measures, doing what you can.

00:45:20.000 We're seeing it in people.

00:45:21.000 We're seeing it in our healthcare workers.

00:45:23.000 We're not seeing it with the urgency that we need to from our leaders yet.

00:45:27.000 And that's what worries me about what the CDC said tonight.

00:45:30.000 Well, weird because Andrew Cuomo, Chris's brother, they basically interview each other on CNN.

00:45:36.000 They have like a buddy cop show.

00:45:38.000 Andrew Cuomo said yesterday that the White House has been very helpful and that, in fact, New York no longer needs the U.S.

00:45:44.000 ship Comfort.

00:45:45.000 Remember that Comfort's steaming into New York Harbor?

00:45:47.000 And it was like a big deal.

00:45:48.000 All the pictures looked unbelievably tragic.

00:45:50.000 Inside of two weeks, they're saying we don't need that ship anymore.

00:45:53.000 So where is the lack of urgency?

00:45:55.000 Seriously, where is it?

00:45:57.000 The meeting went well, and I think it was productive.

00:46:02.000 The big issue was testing.

00:46:05.000 As everybody knows, that's going to be the next step as we go forward.

00:46:08.000 The President sent up a Navy ship, the Comfort, which was a hospital ship, which, by the way, was very good to have in case we had overflow.

00:46:18.000 But I said, We don't really need the comfort anymore.

00:46:22.000 It did give us comfort, but we don't need it anymore.

00:46:25.000 So if they need to deploy that somewhere else, they should take it.

00:46:29.000 Not acting with urgency?

00:46:31.000 I mean, everyone is acting with urgency right now.

00:46:34.000 Obviously.

00:46:35.000 Obviously.

00:46:36.000 But this contributes.

00:46:37.000 The media's coverage here is basically just a Democratic talking point, because everybody sort of understands at this point the administration is doing what they need to do.

00:46:44.000 At least they're doing their best.

00:46:46.000 And yet the Democratic talking point is that everything the administration does is insufficient, and the only thing that would be sufficient are things that are not possible.

00:46:52.000 So you end up with people like Anderson Cooper suggesting on national television that we need 4 million tests per day.

00:46:58.000 We don't need 4 million tests per day to open.

00:47:00.000 That's insane.

00:47:01.000 That's not a thing.

00:47:01.000 And he's saying this to John Kerry.

00:47:02.000 Like Scott Gottlieb, right, who knows a lot more about this stuff than Anderson Cooper, said maybe we need 300,000 tests a day to open.

00:47:08.000 Not 4 million.

00:47:10.000 Okay? 0.99

00:47:11.000 Where are they getting this crap? 1.00

00:47:13.000 They're just pulling it straight out of thin air. 0.99

00:47:14.000 Here's Anderson Cooper again setting up a bar that just does not exist.

00:47:18.000 I mean, that bar is not real.

00:47:20.000 We all want to see the economy open.

00:47:22.000 Everybody does.

00:47:23.000 Everybody wants to get out of their house.

00:47:25.000 There are a lot of safe ways to do it, but the safest way of all is clearly by being able to test the virus itself, who has it, and being able to test the antibodies to determine who may have had it.

00:47:37.000 There are about 150,000 tests being done roughly every day right now.

00:47:41.000 A latest Harvard study was showing initially 4 million would need to be done every day, maybe going up into double digits by July just to get everything going and people confident.

00:47:55.000 Okay, by the way, that Harvard study did not suggest that that was going to be the bar to governors opening states.

00:47:59.000 What the Harvard study suggested is that if you want people to like go back to concerts and movie theaters in mass numbers, you need 20 million a day.

00:48:05.000 Guess what?

00:48:06.000 That ain't happening.

00:48:07.000 But the media have been using that number as a cudgel to wield against the Trump administration.

00:48:10.000 Well, if you don't make 20 million tests available, first of all, all of this is basically on governors.

00:48:14.000 Remember, we have a federalist system.

00:48:15.000 Somehow Gavin Newsom in California was able to obtain enough ventilators that we were sending ventilators from this coast to the other coast in the middle of the pandemic.

00:48:22.000 Well, they can do the same with state budgets. 0.99

00:48:25.000 It turns out that if states can pay for all the stupid crap that they pay for, they should be able to pay for some of these tests. 1.00

00:48:31.000 But all of this feeds into the general democratic talking point here, which is that the Trump administration is a giant failure. 0.99

00:48:37.000 Here's AOC summing it up, suggesting that the government is responsible for a 9-11 worth of death every single day.

00:48:43.000 We are going to pass a small potatoes bill and then we are talking about recessing again until May 4th.

00:48:52.000 And if we are going to bring every member or call back almost every member who can back to D.C.

00:49:00.000 to pass a small incremental bill and with the knowledge that we are not coming back until next month again, that's two rent checks.

00:49:08.000 And the last time we left again, we lost Over one 9-11's worth of people due to this lack of action.

00:49:21.000 What lack of action?

00:49:21.000 Really?

00:49:22.000 What was the action that was supposed to be taken that wasn't taken?

00:49:25.000 Other than Democrats holding up two separate massive funding bills for a grand total of two weeks.

00:49:29.000 What action was not taken?

00:49:31.000 This is the part where it is a Democrat media narrative that does not reflect reality.

00:49:35.000 The reality is the feds are doing what they are supposed to do and what they can do.

00:49:40.000 That is the reality.

00:49:41.000 And the states, many of them are trying to do what they can do, and some of them are overzealous in doing it, and some of them are saying, listen, Georgia is not New York.

00:49:48.000 But to pretend that public officials are insufficiently acting so that you can elect Democrats is pretty disgusting.

00:49:53.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:49:56.000 So, things that I like today.

00:49:58.000 If you are a music fan, and not too discriminating in your taste, then you might enjoy a video that we just posted on YouTube.

00:50:05.000 My dad and I have had a little bit of extra time to practice violin and piano together, and so we put together basically a single take of Ave Maria by Bach and Gounod.

00:50:17.000 My dad on piano, me on violin.

00:50:19.000 Believe it or not, there are certain people who clamor for me on violin.

00:50:21.000 I'm not sure why that is, but here is a little bit of the beginning of Ave Maria by Bach.

00:50:25.000 I know you can go see that on YouTube.

00:50:27.000 I think it's got like a million views on Facebook.

00:50:29.000 Have fun.

00:50:29.000 You can go check it out.

00:51:02.000 Okay, so you can go listen to the whole thing over there.

00:51:06.000 Also, I believe we are posting a singletake version of Meditation from Thai East by Jules Massenet, which is one of the more famous violin solo pieces.

00:51:16.000 It's a really pretty piece.

00:51:17.000 I think we have that up on Instagram also.

00:51:18.000 So if you enjoy that kind of thing, then see if you can bury your way through something like that.

00:51:24.000 Okay, other thing that I like today.

00:51:26.000 One thing that I really do love about some members of the social left is that many of the things that they say are moral, they will not engage in themselves because they inherently know they're not particularly moral.

00:51:35.000 Now, this is not the libertarian position.

00:51:36.000 The libertarian position very often is that things that I don't think are moral are still allowed.

00:51:41.000 In a free society, lots of stuff I don't approve of, but that doesn't actively harm other people.

00:51:46.000 It's not really my job to step in and do something about that, because if we all use our subjective preferences as to what is right and wrong, but with regards to things that don't damage other people, that's how you end up with authoritarian states.

00:51:58.000 That is the libertarian position.

00:51:59.000 In other words, I explicitly say that things I don't like are still legal.

00:52:02.000 That is not the leftist position.

00:52:03.000 The leftist position is only things I like should be legal.

00:52:06.000 If I don't like your language, it should be illegal.

00:52:08.000 If you say a thing I don't like, it's hate speech.

00:52:10.000 If you participate in a religious service I don't like, we should shut it down.

00:52:12.000 If you want to homeschool your kids, that should be illegal. 0.99

00:52:15.000 We talked about this a little bit earlier this week.

00:52:16.000 There was a Harvard Magazine piece about how homeschooling should be illegal because evil, evil Christians are teaching social priorities that this professor at Harvard does not like.

00:52:24.000 So the leftist position is not a libertarian one.

00:52:26.000 Like, I don't like this moral position, but it should still be allowed because I have a different view of what government should do than enforce morality.

00:52:35.000 No, the leftist position is the government should enforce morality.

00:52:38.000 So, therefore, the government should only allow things that I personally like.

00:52:42.000 Well, this has led to some very weird sort of, some weird contradictions.

00:52:45.000 And it leads to this very puzzled piece that I absolutely love from Mel Magazine.

00:52:50.000 The piece was written by Ceci Kuwabara Blanchard. 0.95

00:52:54.000 It is called, Why Won't Woke Boys Pay for Sex? 0.96

00:52:57.000 Bernie bros, male feminists, and good guy liberals all support sex work. 0.99

00:53:01.000 But for some reason, they aren't paying girls like me for sex.

00:53:05.000 Four months before Violet, a 25-year-old transsexual with dollish cheekbones and primary color wardrobe, moved to Brooklyn, she toyed with the idea of holding a farewell tour in her lifelong home of Portland, Oregon.

00:53:15.000 Her approach to putting a bow on her 20-plus years in a city, mocked for its liberal leanings, was to collide her two disparate worlds, her friend circle of jewel-puffing, mulleted Bernie bros, with her recent professional foray into bleeping for cash.

00:53:29.000 What if I put it out there that I'm available as a sex worker for people I know for highly discounted rates?

00:53:33.000 Violet, now a good friend of mine, recently tells me over FaceTime, recalling the logic behind her maniac idea.

00:53:38.000 She admits it was both a stab at giving her friends a last chance to F while also raking in as much money as she could before she hit the Big Apple.

00:53:45.000 Violet took to Instagram stories to vibe-check these guys.

00:53:52.000 She assumed that her peers, millennial Zoomer cusps with art degrees and hard-ons for progressive politics, would be prime clients. 1.00

00:53:59.000 After all, as youngish liberals, they seemed to overwhelmingly support sex workers and the decriminalization of their profession, and they were right in line with those of others in their demographic categories.

00:54:08.000 Despite stereotypes of Johns being unattractive older men, some research shows that clients of sex workers tend to have their first experience of paid sex when they're young, hot, and in their 20s.

00:54:17.000 In other words, the numbers suggest that more of Violet's followers should have been down with paid sex, but that's not what happened.

00:54:23.000 The woke guys in her social circle who responded weren't bringing the same kind of hurrah they had for the idea of standing in solidarity with sex workers, and exactly none of them offered to cough up cash.

00:54:32.000 That left her confused.

00:54:34.000 If these young dudes were politically rooting for sex workers, and are in the period of their lives when they're most likely to first see one, why aren't they seizing en masse the opportunity for one of Violet's bargain bin leaps?

00:54:44.000 Or one of those friendly neighborhood sex workers, for that matter? 0.98

00:54:48.000 Some have pragmatic excuses.

00:54:49.000 Of course, I don't have the money.

00:54:50.000 I don't want sex that bad. 0.79

00:54:52.000 I can get leaped without paying for it. 0.94

00:54:53.000 They DM'd Violet.

00:54:55.000 But it's more than that.

00:54:56.000 As two trans girls who keep leftist male hotties in their company and turn tricks as a side hustle, Violet and I both have observed that our peers can't get our politics straight. 0.91

00:55:04.000 For one, these guys support decriminalizing sex work because they're feminists, but they also seem to not pay for sex because they're feminists. 0.96

00:55:10.000 So they are they are so woke that they are all in favor of people being paid for sex.

00:55:20.000 Like they think it's perfectly moral to pay for sex, but also they think it's a little bit immoral to pay for sex because that might be violating feminist precepts. 1.00

00:55:28.000 Because the feminist movement is actually confused about this thing, so they are confused similarly. 0.99

00:55:32.000 Also, it turns out, a lot of people on the left, the social policies that they proclaim are actually moral and decent and wonderful, they're engaging themselves.

00:55:41.000 A great example of this.

00:55:43.000 Hollywood is constantly promoting single motherhood. 0.92

00:55:45.000 Constantly talking about how single motherhood is not only a valid life choice, but a heroic life choice.

00:55:50.000 That if you're a single mother, you're more heroic in some fashion than a woman who got married and settled down and had a family.

00:55:56.000 That's the easy decision.

00:55:57.000 Being a single mother and kicking dad out of the house because he's a bad guy that you decided to have sex with irresponsibly and now you have a baby, that's actually a brave decision according to most Hollywood and TV films.

00:56:07.000 That is what Hollywood promotes.

00:56:09.000 But nobody in Hollywood actually lives like that.

00:56:11.000 The marriage rates in Hollywood are very, very high.

00:56:14.000 There are not a lot of single mothers in Hollywood. 1.00

00:56:16.000 Why?

00:56:17.000 Well, because it turns out that in people's actual lives, the moral decisions that they make are not the moral decisions that they promote. 0.69

00:56:23.000 So there is a great irony to this article from Mel Magazine lamenting that, number one, a lot of leftist guys who say that trans women are women will not have sex with a trans woman because it turns out that trans women are not, in fact, women.

00:56:36.000 And so they're very upset about this. 0.90

00:56:38.000 Very, very upset.

00:56:39.000 And I find that hilarious.

00:56:41.000 And then, I also find it hilarious that the feminist movement has created such insecurity in feminist Bernie bros. 0.97

00:56:49.000 That the feminist Bernie bros, on the one hand, they're like, yeah, all in for sex work. 1.00

00:56:53.000 Sex work's great, man. 0.99

00:56:54.000 Liberation!

00:56:55.000 Liberation!

00:56:56.000 Also, I can't engage in that, because I think it would be somehow victimizing you.

00:57:00.000 And I've been told by some feminists that sex work is actually demeaning to women and objectifying women. 1.00

00:57:04.000 So while I think it's gung-ho, go for it, me personally, no on that.

00:57:09.000 No on that.

00:57:10.000 So, this holistic worldview has not been particularly successful on the left, so I am enjoying that.

00:57:19.000 According to this Mail Magazine piece, woke boys are likely not just swerving around paid sex because of their mixed-signal feminism.

00:57:24.000 Their refusal to pay for sex also seems to come from believing a John to be the antithesis of a successful heterosexual male. 0.93

00:57:31.000 Because, you see, they're mean to Johns. 0.99

00:57:32.000 Like, if you have to pay for sex somehow, you are lesser.

00:57:35.000 You are lesser, which is discriminatory, according to Mel Magazine. 0.67

00:57:39.000 Is it possible that... Wow.

00:57:43.000 Is it possible that maybe this moral code does not stand up to any level of realistic scrutiny?

00:57:48.000 Brad had only ever been with cisgender women, he told me.

00:57:51.000 I was his first.

00:57:52.000 Knowing this, I checked in with him multiple times throughout the night to make sure his heterosexual ego was still intact.

00:57:57.000 I couldn't help but feel the whole latte flirtation and wine date was a charade to bed me, secure his shemale fantasy, and then return to his cis girlfriend. 0.99

00:58:04.000 If he was looking to bleep a girl's male genitalia, he should have just paid a prostitute, ideally me. 0.99

00:58:12.000 That's not the straightest thing. 0.99

00:58:13.000 I'm just gonna put that out there.

00:58:14.000 Not the straightest activity.

00:58:18.000 The self-contradictions in the feminist movement are extraordinarily hilarious and well-deserving of mockery.

00:58:23.000 So thank you, Mel Magazine.

00:58:24.000 I really appreciated that.

00:58:26.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:58:28.000 So Joe Biden continues to not be sentient.

00:58:34.000 Joe Biden continues to not be able to string sentences together.

00:58:37.000 Yesterday, like every live stream he holds, and I live stream every day and I'm sure I make errors, but not errors like this.

00:58:42.000 Every live stream Joe Biden has, he makes errors not because he's distracted, but because he is not with us.

00:58:47.000 Joe Biden is clearly not with us in the way that Entering the latter part of his last term, Woodrow Wilson was not with us and his wife, Edith, ended up governing the country basically for the last year and a half of the Wilson administration.

00:58:58.000 Joe Biden, just yesterday, he was doing his live stream from his basement and he confused Labor Day and Memorial Day and called the Pennsylvania governor Dale instead of Tom, who's a completely different human being.

00:59:12.000 Here was Joe Biden just screwing things up left and right.

00:59:16.000 And all Dale's been saying, Governor Wolf, is listen to the scientists.

00:59:20.000 Do you think we'll have a candidate by Memorial Day?

00:59:24.000 I'm quite sure that'd be the case because right now the convention is scheduled in August before Memorial Day.

00:59:32.000 Are you saying Memorial or Labor?

00:59:34.000 I said Memorial Day.

00:59:35.000 Oh, no, no, no, no.

00:59:36.000 It won't be before Memorial Day.

00:59:38.000 No, it won't.

00:59:39.000 We're just getting the process underway.

00:59:41.000 Yeah, so he's not with us, Joe Biden.

00:59:44.000 But he is thinking about Michelle Obama as a potential VP pick.

00:59:49.000 I thought we were done with sort of the era.

00:59:51.000 Trump was a ringing rebuke of the era of sort of family politics, right?

00:59:58.000 Because we'd had two Bushes, and so the idea of Jeb was just unpalatable to a lot of Republicans, and then we'd already had Bill Clinton, and then Hillary was running, and people were like, well, we're not super into that.

01:00:06.000 So now Joe wants to bring in Michelle, right? 0.91

01:00:08.000 I understand why.

01:00:09.000 Michelle Obama has done a magnificent job of remaking herself from the radical she was in 2008, talking about how this is the first time she was proud of her country, was her husband's nomination.

01:00:18.000 She's remade herself into a sort of late night TV host figure or midday TV host figure, inspiring and apolitical.

01:00:26.000 And obviously, Joe Biden is trying to appeal to the black community by saying that he would pick Michelle Obama as his running mate.

01:00:32.000 Here he is.

01:00:33.000 I've heard some speculation about Michelle Obama as vice president.

01:00:37.000 If she said to you she'd be willing to be your running mate, would you ask her?

01:00:42.000 Oh, I take her in a heartbeat.

01:00:43.000 She's brilliant.

01:00:45.000 She knows the way around. 0.68

01:00:47.000 She is a really fine woman.

01:00:49.000 Okay, so he obviously is trying to pander here.

01:00:52.000 What's hilarious, though?

01:00:53.000 And this is the part I hate is the pandering in the Democratic Party is actually not directed at black Americans. 0.88

01:00:58.000 The people who actually care in America about the race of the presidential candidate, it turns out, are a bunch of woke white liberals.

01:01:04.000 And those are the people who actually care.

01:01:06.000 OK, that is according to Pew Research data.

01:01:08.000 So they put out a poll in the last couple of weeks.

01:01:12.000 And what they found is that here is the question.

01:01:16.000 Regardless of who you supported for the Democratic nomination, would you say that the fact that the likely Democratic nominee is a white man in his 70s either bothers you or doesn't bother you?

01:01:24.000 So 59% of all Democrats and leaning Democrats registered voters say it doesn't bother them.

01:01:30.000 41% say that it bothers them.

01:01:32.000 Now here's the breakdown by race and here's where it gets super hilarious. 0.96

01:01:35.000 Among black Americans, Asked whether it bothers them that the nominee is an old white man.

01:01:41.000 72% of black voters say no, we don't care.

01:01:42.000 72% say it doesn't bother us at all.

01:01:45.000 Only 28% say it bothers them.

01:01:46.000 Among Hispanics, 70% say it doesn't bother me.

01:01:48.000 And only 30% say that it bothers them.

01:01:50.000 Among white Democrats, 51% say it doesn't bother me.

01:01:52.000 me.

01:01:52.000 And only 30% say that it bothers them.

01:01:55.000 Among white Democrats, 51% say it doesn't bother me.

01:01:59.000 49% say it bothers me.

01:02:00.000 So it's a bunch of woke white liberals, the sort of people who pay Sarah Rao to talk about how racist they are at dinner parties, at $300 dinner parties with Cabernet Sauvignon on the table and, and a nice red meat vegan steak, right?

01:02:16.000 The, Those sorts of people are the ones who are super bothered by the fact that Joe Biden is old and white and isn't actually black Americans.

01:02:21.000 Why?

01:02:22.000 I think that the idea that black Americans believe that America is inherently, deeply, unapologetically, and forever racist, I think that's overplayed.

01:02:30.000 I think the media overplayed that.

01:02:31.000 I think the people in the media are all white, woke liberals who say that they are bothered by this sort of stuff.

01:02:35.000 And then they go vote for Joe Biden anyways. 1.00

01:02:37.000 They're just a bunch of hypocrites. 1.00

01:02:38.000 By the way, the breakdown by age is not particularly stellar either. 1.00

01:02:43.000 So older Democrats say they don't care that the Democrat is a white man in his 70s.

01:02:47.000 That's basically everybody above the age of 50 in the Democratic Party says they don't care.

01:02:52.000 If you are 30 to 49, 55% of Democrats say they don't care about the fact that Biden is old and white.

01:02:59.000 If you are 18 to 29, 54% say that they care about this.

01:03:03.000 Which is not good for the future of America.

01:03:05.000 If you look at a nominee and your first reaction is, I don't like that guy's race, and I don't like that guy's age.

01:03:09.000 It's weird, because if Republicans were to say, you know, that guy seems too old, then all of a sudden it's, look at how ageist they are.

01:03:15.000 And if they say, well, look at another white guy, huh?

01:03:17.000 So how about that fabled diversity? 0.96

01:03:19.000 And it's, oh, look at them, Republicans shouldn't talk about this.

01:03:23.000 If the younger part of our country is interested in the sort of woke virtue signaling attendant here, then that is very bad news.

01:03:31.000 By the way, the other thing you see is that there is indoctrination going on at these colleges, at these universities.

01:03:37.000 You would think that racial politics would be the preserve of people who are less educated, right? 0.97

01:03:43.000 This is always what people say in the Republican Party, is that the people who are most racist are the people who are less educated.

01:03:48.000 Opposite in the Democratic Party, apparently. 0.82

01:03:49.000 If you're a post-grad worker, If you have a postgraduate degree, 58% of people with a postgraduate degree say they are bothered that Joe Biden is old and white.

01:03:58.000 If you're a high schooler, 76% say they are not bothered by the fact that Joe Biden is old and white.

01:04:05.000 So, just shows you where the Democratic Party is.

01:04:07.000 And that is bad for the future of the country.

01:04:09.000 If you are breaking people down by race and by age in order to determine their merit, you are doing all of these things wrong.

01:04:16.000 And yet the Democratic Party, as it gets younger and more educated, is actually moving in the wrong direction.

01:04:20.000 Hilariously enough, it is the racially divergent contingent, the racially diverse contingent of the Democratic Party that is still tethered to some form of reality.

01:04:28.000 All the white woke liberals, they've completely lost it.

01:04:30.000 They've completely lost touch with reality. 0.92

01:04:31.000 And they deserve what they get.

01:04:34.000 They deserve what they get here.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - April 22, 2020

What If Nothing Changes? | Ep. 995

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