The Ben Shapiro Show - The Alt-Right Fizzle | Ep. 601

00:00:00.000 It's Omarosa versus President Trump, plus the alt-right anniversary rally fizzles and Antifa continues to threaten public safety, plus updates from the FBI.

00:00:08.000 Lots and lots of stuff going on.

00:00:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:16.000 It was a really busy weekend filled with joy and also weirdness.

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00:01:38.000 So the fresh controversy of the weekend is Omarosa.

00:01:41.000 Omarosa Manigault, the villain from three seasons of Celebrity Apprentice.

00:01:45.000 Well, she's back and better than ever.

00:01:46.000 The president made the brilliant move of hiring her to the White House for no apparent reason. 0.99

00:01:50.000 And then he fired her because it turns out she's a crazy person. 0.83

00:01:53.000 And then it turns out that she was taping people in, like, the Situation Room. 0.67

00:01:57.000 Which is not good.

00:01:59.000 I've been to the White House.

00:01:59.000 You're not supposed to tape in the Situation Room.

00:02:01.000 In fact, you're probably not supposed to tape anywhere in the White House.

00:02:04.000 However, Omarosa was doing just that, and then she goes on national TV to demonstrate how inside she was. 1.00

00:02:10.000 She's very angry because apparently

00:02:13.000 John Kelly, then the chief of staff, he said that he was firing her, and she got mad, and then she went and talked to Trump, and then Trump, because he is always afraid of actually firing people, so the dirty little secret about Trump, he doesn't like firing people.

00:02:23.000 He actually likes his subordinates to fire people, or he likes for them to quit.

00:02:26.000 So she went to John Kelly, and John Kelly said, you can leave, and then she went to Trump and Trump said, I don't know anything about this, and she has both of them on tape.

00:02:33.000 Well, she was on Meet the Press over the weekend talking about how she was taping inside the Situation Room, which is not great, and here's what she had to say.

00:02:40.000 They take me into the Situation Room, the doors are locked, they tell me I can't leave, and they start to threaten me, put fear in me.

00:02:50.000 The question is, why not have the meeting in the Chief of Staff's office?

00:02:54.000 Why put me in the Situation Room, lock the door, and tell me over and over again, as they'll hear, well, they'll hear his part, that I couldn't leave, that I couldn't consult an attorney, that I couldn't talk to my husband who was sitting outside of the door.

00:03:07.000 Yes, I was prepared.

00:03:09.000 Okay, so she says, how dare they bring me in there?

00:03:12.000 Okay, it wasn't false imprisonment.

00:03:13.000 They didn't kidnap her.

00:03:14.000 They didn't keep her there locked up. 0.97

00:03:15.000 She would have a lawsuit if they had, okay?

00:03:17.000 This is all wildly overblown.

00:03:19.000 Then she says, I don't understand why they fired me.

00:03:22.000 And then she plays tape of her secretly taping the chief of staff.

00:03:24.000 I can't imagine why they fired Omarosa.

00:03:27.000 I just can't imagine.

00:03:28.000 This does raise some questions about the White House's staffing choices.

00:03:31.000 Like, why would they do this in the first place?

00:03:33.000 I had heard repeatedly that the president chooses only the best people, chooses one of his first hires, so not quite the best people.

00:03:39.000 The White House released a statement that CNN reported on.

00:03:41.000 Here was CNN reporting on the White House response to Omarosa.

00:03:45.000 We just got a statement from Sarah Sanders, the White House Press Secretary, and it reads,

00:04:05.000 Okay, so the White House obviously smacking back hard at Omarosa, and then Ronna McDaniel, Romney McDaniel, she came forward, she's the GOP chairwoman, and she tweeted out, And the answer is nobody, which is why she shouldn't have been hired in the first place.

00:04:22.000 This is who Omarosa Manigault is.

00:04:24.000 Anybody who doesn't know differently has never had any experience with Omarosa Manigault.

00:04:27.000 There's a story out today about how Omarosa actually tried, when she was getting married, to invade the White House with her photographer in her wedding dress and go take wedding photos in the Rose Garden.

00:04:36.000 At the White House, which is not what the White House is for.

00:04:40.000 The president of the United States, of course, would not take this lying down.

00:04:44.000 I mean, listen, this is what this is what we bargained for, right?

00:04:47.000 I mean, we're getting a lot of the good policy.

00:04:49.000 It comes with the downside of this reality TV show.

00:04:52.000 So the president tweeted out three things this morning about Omarosa Manigault.

00:04:56.000 And basically it is the godfather one, two and three.

00:04:59.000 of tweets.

00:05:00.000 It's pretty spectacular.

00:05:01.000 So, Godfather Part 1, he tweets out,

00:05:22.000 OK, so let's analyze Godfather part one.

00:05:25.000 It's a great tweet.

00:05:26.000 It's a great tweet for a variety of reasons.

00:05:28.000 First of all, Wacky Omarosa.

00:05:29.000 I do love that his first hires were Sloppy Steve Bannon and Wacky Omarosa.

00:05:35.000 It's like the Muppets.

00:05:36.000 And he gives them all nicknames.

00:05:38.000 Oscar the Grouch was the Secretary of State.

00:05:39.000 Got rid of him, too.

00:05:40.000 That was Rex Tillerson, who apparently was fired on the toilet.

00:05:43.000 I mean, if you didn't bargain for this reality TV show, then I'm not sure what you're bargaining for.

00:05:48.000 And then he says she was fired three times on The Apprentice and now got fired for the last time.

00:05:52.000 He fired her three times on The Apprentice and then rehired her three times.

00:05:56.000 So, I mean, there's someone who's sort of missing from this equation.

00:06:00.000 He says, she never made it and never will.

00:06:01.000 Well, she did get a million dollar advance, apparently, for this book.

00:06:03.000 He says, she begged me for a job.

00:06:05.000 Tears in her eyes.

00:06:06.000 Whenever the president says that sort of stuff, whenever he says, they begged me, they came and they begged me on their knees, that just means that they asked for a job and he said yes.

00:06:14.000 And he said, okay.

00:06:15.000 And then he says, people in the White House hated her.

00:06:16.000 My favorite line from this classic Godfather tweet.

00:06:19.000 I mean, this is Godfather part one.

00:06:20.000 It is a classic of the tweeting genre.

00:06:23.000 I like this part.

00:06:24.000 He says, she was vicious, but not smart. 0.98

00:06:27.000 I like the but there, right?

00:06:28.000 That vicious is actually a compliment, right?

00:06:31.000 Vicious is an accolade.

00:06:33.000 She was vicious, which is awesome, but not very smart. 1.00

00:06:36.000 So she was stupid, but also vicious. 1.00

00:06:39.000 So that was her recommending qualities, that she was vicious. 1.00

00:06:41.000 So Godfather part one of tweets, excellent.

00:06:43.000 And then we get to the even better one, Godfather part two of tweets.

00:06:46.000 It turns out the sequel is even stronger than the original.

00:06:49.000 He says I heard really bad things, nasty to people, and would constantly miss meetings and work. 0.95

00:06:54.000 When General Kelly came on board, he told me she was a loser and nothing but problems. 1.00

00:06:59.000 I told him to try working it out, if possible, because she only said great things about me. 0.88

00:07:04.000 Until she got fired. 1.00

00:07:06.000 Ugh! 0.97

00:07:07.000 Ugh! 0.97

00:07:08.000 The genius!

00:07:09.000 The genius of constructing a Godfather 2 tweet like this.

00:07:12.000 So spectacular.

00:07:14.000 I love it. 0.60

00:07:14.000 The entire tweet is what a terrible person she was. 0.60

00:07:17.000 She was nasty to people. 1.00

00:07:18.000 She would constantly miss meetings and work. 0.99

00:07:20.000 She was the worst.

00:07:21.000 But Trump wanted to keep her around.

00:07:24.000 Why?

00:07:24.000 Because she only said great things about me.

00:07:28.000 That was legitimately his hiring criteria.

00:07:30.000 She was making, by the way, $180,000 in taxpayer money at the White House for saying nice things about him while he was saying that she was the worst employee ever.

00:07:38.000 So fantastic.

00:07:40.000 And also, a window into the mind of the commander-in-chief.

00:07:44.000 And when people say that Trump is nice to Putin because he's in bed with Putin, or he's nice to Kim Jong-un because he's in bed with Kim Jong-un,

00:07:51.000 No, he's nice to them because when they say nice things about them, he likes them.

00:07:55.000 This is not a complicated man.

00:07:57.000 It's so funny, when you talk to women and men about relationships, women will always say, oh, men are so complex.

00:08:02.000 Men are not complex.

00:08:03.000 Men are super, super simple. 0.98

00:08:05.000 You feed them, ladies, if you're married, feed them, have sex with them, be relatively nice to them, happy marriage, we're done. 0.99

00:08:11.000 Men are really, really simple. 0.97

00:08:13.000 President Trump, be nice to him, feed him, depends on who you are.

00:08:18.000 With the sex, but in any case, the president is just like any other man, except more so. 0.66

00:08:23.000 So, it's really not hard to keep the president pleased.

00:08:26.000 Like, you say nice things about him, and he is very, very pleased with you.

00:08:29.000 So, I love this.

00:08:30.000 He says she was nasty to people, missed meetings, missed work, was terrible.

00:08:34.000 Kelly wanted to fire her, and he's like, right, but she says awesome stuff about me, and it makes me feel great about myself.

00:08:40.000 So that was Godfather part two of tweets.

00:08:41.000 Very, very strong entry in the canon.

00:08:43.000 And then we get to the slightly disappointing Godfather part three of tweets.

00:08:47.000 It has its moments, its highs and its lows, but overall, it doesn't really fit in the series.

00:08:51.000 He tweets out, Sorry.

00:09:09.000 Now, listen, it's fine for what it is.

00:09:11.000 It's a bit of a derivative storyline, is the truth.

00:09:13.000 This particular tweet, like, you know, it's just more of the same.

00:09:16.000 Yeah, it's not presidential, and I'm not presidential, but I'm communicating with the people.

00:09:20.000 Okay, I get it, fine, but it's not his strongest work.

00:09:22.000 Godfather, if I had to rank these tweets, Godfather part two tweet, Godfather part one tweet, and then Godfather part three tweet.

00:09:28.000 OK, but very strong entries from the president overall on his Twitter account.

00:09:32.000 And come on, if we're not going to be amused by this, then what can you be amused by?

00:09:36.000 The man hired a doofus and then he's like, I don't know how she even got in here, but I kept her here because she said nice things.

00:09:41.000 But then she got fired. 0.97

00:09:42.000 She won't get a job ever again unless she begs with tears in her eyes. 0.95

00:09:47.000 Listen, I know a lot of people are going to be frustrated because they say, well, why can't you just focus on the good stuff the president is doing?

00:09:53.000 Don't worry.

00:09:54.000 We'll get some of the good stuff the president is doing.

00:09:55.000 We do that whenever possible.

00:09:57.000 But if the president gets credit for all of his staffers doing good stuff, he also gets the blame when his staffer ends up being Omarosa, a person he never should have hired in the first place.

00:10:06.000 He does get the blame when he hires Steve Bannon, a person he never should have hired in the first place.

00:10:10.000 He does get the blame when he hires Rex Tillerson, a person he never should have hired in the first place.

00:10:14.000 When you're the boss, you get the blame and the credit for what your employees do.

00:10:18.000 And the president of the United States hired Omarosa Manigault because she was on a reality TV show with him.

00:10:23.000 And because, let's face it, the president of the United States wanted more black faces around him because he wanted to be able to say to the media he had a more diverse administration.

00:10:30.000 And so he hired Omarosa Manigault.

00:10:31.000 There is no chance that if she were not black, she would have been inside the administration. 0.85

00:10:35.000 She doesn't have the qualifications. 0.98

00:10:37.000 The president hired her based on an affirmative action calculation. 0.88

00:10:40.000 I know that's politically incorrect to say, but that is why he hired her in the first place.

00:10:43.000 That is what the president was doing here.

00:10:45.000 OK, so he gets the blame when it turns out that she is exactly the type of feces storm that everybody knew that she was in the first place.

00:10:53.000 And of course, she brought a recording device into the skiff.

00:10:55.000 Of course she did.

00:10:56.000 Of course she brought into the Situation Room, which is a which is a confidential place.

00:11:01.000 Did she violate the law, by the way?

00:11:02.000 Is she going to go to jail for this? 0.99

00:11:03.000 Probably not.

00:11:04.000 In order to violate the law, you actually have to show intent to

00:11:07.000 Communicate all of this stuff to outside intelligence agencies or something like that.

00:11:12.000 She's not going to go to jail for any of this.

00:11:14.000 But the president does have to get better with his staffing.

00:11:16.000 Thankfully, I think the president's staff has gotten a lot better.

00:11:19.000 I know a lot of folks in the administration, they seem to be an upgrade over the people who were originally in the administration.

00:11:24.000 But come on, if we can't have a little bit of lighthearted fun with the fact the president hired Omarosa Manigault to be part of the administration, then tweeted about how terrible she was, except she was nice to him.

00:11:32.000 I don't know what we can have fun with these days.

00:11:34.000 Okay, in a minute, I'm going to get to the actual alt-right rally that happened over the weekend, Antifa, the media malfeasance.

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00:12:48.000 Okay, so. 1.00

00:12:50.000 Putting all the Omarosa stuff aside, it was a weekend of covering stupidity. 1.00

00:12:54.000 So, does Omarosa deserve all of this media coverage? 1.00

00:12:57.000 No, of course she doesn't deserve all of this media coverage.

00:12:59.000 You know what else didn't deserve a lot of media coverage over the weekend?

00:13:02.000 This alt-right rally that started off in Charlottesville, Virginia near the University of Virginia and then transferred its way over to Washington, D.C.

00:13:08.000 Now, the reason it got a lot of coverage is because last year, of course, that alt-right rally drew several hundred people

00:13:14.000 And it devolved into violence when Antifa showed up and there were a bunch of pitched battles in the streets between some Antifa members and some members of the alt-right neo-Nazi rally.

00:13:23.000 And then that bled over into an alt-right piece of human debris, crashing his car into members of a left-wing rally, some of whom were Antifa, many of whom were not.

00:13:33.000 In any case, that became national news, not only because of the killing, but also because the president of the United States then got up there and said that there were good people on both sides, which I think was eminently untrue.

00:13:43.000 In any case,

00:13:44.000 The media was there in full force for this anniversary alt-right rally.

00:13:47.000 The governor of Virginia declared a state of emergency over this alt-right rally.

00:13:52.000 Here's how many people showed up.

00:13:53.000 We have video of the rallyers on the way to Washington, D.C.

00:13:56.000 This is legitimately all of them.

00:13:59.000 All of them.

00:14:00.000 They could fit in half a car.

00:14:01.000 It was 20 people.

00:14:06.000 You can see this.

00:14:06.000 Half of the car is members of the media.

00:14:10.000 And the rest of it is the actual people.

00:14:13.000 The car is half empty.

00:14:13.000 It's like 20 people.

00:14:15.000 The last time this few losers got this much media attention was the Fyre Festival.

00:14:20.000 Really, it was like a Magic the Gathering. 0.97

00:14:23.000 It was like a Magic the Gathering tournament for racists.

00:14:26.000 It was like five people, all of whom took time off from watching pornography, anime pornography, in their grandmother's spare bedroom, and then went over to a rally, and it was like 10 of them, 15 of them. 0.75

00:14:39.000 And so, it was just absurd.

00:14:41.000 Jason Kessler, who is the leader of all of this, he got all the media attention he could possibly want.

00:14:48.000 He was confronted at the Unite the Right 2 rally, and he was asked why they were celebrating Heather Heyer's murder, and it did not go particularly well for him.

00:14:58.000 Here is what it looked like.

00:14:59.000 Why are you celebrating the murder of Heather Heyer?

00:15:04.000 Tell me why.

00:15:05.000 What are you doing here today?

00:15:07.000 Keep this guy back.

00:15:09.000 Tell me what you're doing here.

00:15:10.000 What'd you come to D.C.

00:15:12.000 for?

00:15:31.000 Okay, this was the entirety of the protest.

00:15:35.000 Hundreds of police officers show up to protect this thing.

00:15:38.000 And the media cover this thing like it's a big deal.

00:15:40.000 Like, we are now involved in a cascading wave of white supremacism across the United States and this alt-right thing.

00:15:46.000 They're taking over the country.

00:15:47.000 Now, I want to talk about what's justified about the media coverage and what's unjustified about the media coverage.

00:15:52.000 And on the flip side, what the media did not cover.

00:15:54.000 So let's talk a little bit about why this was relevant.

00:15:56.000 The reason this was relevant is because the President of the United States, last year and in the last three years,

00:16:01.000 Sort of winked and nodded at the alt-right.

00:16:03.000 He did it during the campaign.

00:16:04.000 I'm not going to soft-pedal this.

00:16:05.000 The president went on national TV, pretended he didn't know who the KKK was, made coochie faces with Steve Bannon over at Breitbart, pretended that folks in the alt-right were wonderful, nice people, and

00:16:17.000 Really emboldened them in 2016.

00:16:19.000 However, after that, the president then excised those people from his administration, as he ought to have done in the first place.

00:16:24.000 After Charlottesville, the president really attempted to push those people away.

00:16:28.000 And that is a good thing.

00:16:29.000 And then the media decided that they were going to keep that group of people alive.

00:16:33.000 They were going to proclaim that everybody

00:16:35.000 Who, as a Trump supporter, was in league with these alt-right people the president had disassociated from.

00:16:39.000 So the president never should have associated with those people in the first place.

00:16:42.000 No question.

00:16:43.000 And I've ripped this president and I've ripped this administration for not having separated off from those people sooner.

00:16:49.000 I was a chief target of the alt-right during the 2016 campaign.

00:16:52.000 And beyond.

00:16:53.000 I remain a chief target of the alt-right today because I am highly critical of racists no matter what form they come in.

00:16:58.000 The alt-right is not actually conservative. 1.00

00:16:59.000 They're a bunch of idiot racists who believe that a big government that is run to the benefit of white people is the best kind of government. 1.00

00:17:05.000 It's garbage. 1.00

00:17:06.000 It is just sheer stupid garbage. 1.00

00:17:07.000 And the fact the president was pandering to those people during the 2016 campaign was a real negative for the president. 1.00

00:17:13.000 It was a serious problem for him.

00:17:15.000 Then you separate it off and the question becomes why are the media covering it now?

00:17:17.000 Well, the reason the media are covering it now is not because they think this is still a relevant part of the Trump base.

00:17:22.000 The reason they're covering it now is because they hope that it is a relevant part of the Trump base so they can suggest that the president is still in league with the alt-right.

00:17:30.000 That's really what they want here. 0.99

00:17:31.000 And that's why last week, as I played on the show, CNN did a full report, like a full seven, eight minute report on one neo-Nazi in the middle of a rural town in Pennsylvania, where the rest of the town thought the guy's an idiot, but this guy's a crazy person. 0.98

00:17:43.000 So they went out and reported on him because he was a neo-Nazi who liked Trump. 0.96

00:17:46.000 And that made it politically relevant.

00:17:48.000 The problem is the media won't cover stuff that actually is politically relevant.

00:17:51.000 So the fact is, the left has embraced Antifa more than the right has embraced the alt-right.

00:17:56.000 The alt-right has basically become so toxic at this point that 20 people showed up where hundreds of people showed up last year.

00:18:02.000 Now, you'd imagine that if the alt-right was a swelling, burgeoning crowd, then you would have seen thousands of people in the streets.

00:18:08.000 Instead, what you saw was 25 guys who were losers, and everybody else running scared from those people. 0.53

00:18:14.000 Everybody wants to disassociate.

00:18:15.000 Now, what the left will say is that's because everybody went underground.

00:18:17.000 Everybody went underground, and then they are popping up again in the Trump administration.

00:18:22.000 Well, I'm not seeing them pop up in the Trump administration.

00:18:24.000 There are people who are associated with the alt-right who are popping up in parts of the right.

00:18:27.000 And it is incumbent on people on the right to actually go out and call it out when they see it.

00:18:32.000 For example, Corey Stewart's staff, right, in Virginia.

00:18:34.000 Corey Stewart is the Republican candidate for Senate in Virginia.

00:18:37.000 He's going to get scorched by Tim Kaine in this latest election. 1.00

00:18:40.000 Another purple seat that could have turned red if Republicans hadn't been idiots in that state. 1.00

00:18:44.000 Corey Stewart's campaign has been staffed by a bunch of alt-righters. 1.00

00:18:48.000 His campaign spokesperson, I believe, has alt-right connections or has said alt-right things in the past.

00:18:53.000 Or allegedly has, in any case.

00:18:55.000 This sort of stuff has to be excised by the conservatives, because if we don't excise this stuff, then we will rightly be lumped in with that stuff.

00:19:02.000 In the same way that the left is being lumped in with the Democratic Socialists because they've embraced it.

00:19:06.000 The difference is that most people on the right, when asked about the alt-right, will condemn the alt-right.

00:19:10.000 Most people on the left will not condemn the Democratic Socialists or even Antifa.

00:19:13.000 A lot of people on the left will just ignore Antifa.

00:19:15.000 And this is a point of real hot-button contention.

00:19:18.000 Over the weekend, I was reading a book called Bad News about the situation in Rwanda.

00:19:23.000 And it talks a little bit about the Rwandan genocide and, you know, still a much forgotten genocide despite the focus that was brought on it in the 1990s.

00:19:32.000 800,000 people murdered within the span of three months by their neighbors.

00:19:36.000 And it was seriously, the government just saying to people, go out and kill your neighbor.

00:19:39.000 And people would just go get machetes and they would kill their neighbor.

00:19:41.000 And it occurred to me that one of the reasons for this, maybe the chief reason, is that institutional loyalty combined with polarization is a very, very dangerous thing.

00:19:50.000 If you are loyal to an institution, and then people you feel are attacking that institution, and it becomes more and more polarized, you are more and more likely to embrace terrible things, to say terrible things, and to do terrible things.

00:20:02.000 And this is true for both the alt-right and conservatives who embrace the alt-right, and Antifa on the left, which is embraced by the left.

00:20:08.000 If you believe that your opponent is the font of all evil and is constantly attacking you, you're more likely to become reactionary and polarized and to engage in immoral behavior.

00:20:17.000 And that's why it's incumbent on people on the right to say that we are not going to not only associate with the alt-right, we are going to excise them.

00:20:23.000 Yes, they should be excised.

00:20:25.000 That doesn't mean censor.

00:20:26.000 It doesn't mean use government censorship.

00:20:28.000 It does mean that we should not be appearing on alt-right outlets.

00:20:32.000 It does mean that conservatives should be excising conspiratorial parts of the movement.

00:20:36.000 You know, William F. Buckley did this with the Birch Society.

00:20:38.000 And the right should do the same thing with the alt-right.

00:20:40.000 They should do the same thing with Alex Jones.

00:20:41.000 They should do the same thing with kooks who are inside the tent.

00:20:44.000 Those people should be pushed outside of the tent. 1.00

00:20:47.000 Again, that's not censorship.

00:20:48.000 It's not saying Facebook should throw them out.

00:20:49.000 It's saying that we should forcefully speak up against those folks and those institutions because they are not us.

00:20:55.000 We are not the same.

00:20:56.000 And the left should be doing the same with Antifa.

00:20:58.000 Now, I think the right, there are people on the right who are attempting to do this.

00:21:01.000 And the question is where to draw the line, but there are people on the right who are really attempting to do this.

00:21:04.000 People on the left are not.

00:21:05.000 And here is the proof. 0.97

00:21:06.000 So, the same weekend that the alt-right was able to muster a grand total of 20 doofuses, racist pieces of crap, to go rally in Charlottesville and then head over to Washington, D.C., Antifa gathered hundreds of people. 0.98

00:21:18.000 And these folks were chanting radical stuff, and the media were just not reporting this. 0.98

00:21:22.000 The mainstream media were just not reporting what Antifa were doing over the weekend.

00:21:26.000 There was a little bit of reporting, but not much.

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00:22:43.000 Okay, so.

00:22:45.000 While the media were focused laser-like on Jason Kessler and his band of ne'er-do-wells, Antifa was showing up in the hundreds and actually harassing people.

00:22:52.000 So here were protesters and here's what they were chanting.

00:22:54.000 You won't see this reported anywhere except for right-wing media.

00:22:57.000 Protesters were chanting legitimately, no border, no wall, no USA at all.

00:23:02.000 Where is the left condemning this?

00:23:08.000 No border, no wall, no USA at all! 0.99

00:23:14.000 Real class acts, you know, marching around with their red flags and wearing masks.

00:23:18.000 It's funny, folks on the left will say, well, you don't need to wear a mask, right?

00:23:21.000 The KKK wore masks.

00:23:22.000 Right.

00:23:23.000 Antifa's wearing masks too. 1.00

00:23:24.000 And the fact is that these people are garbage and they're spouting garbage, and yet the media treat them as though they're just anti-fascist. 1.00

00:23:31.000 They actually take them at face value. 1.00

00:23:32.000 And you wonder why folks don't take the media seriously with all this stuff?

00:23:35.000 You wonder why we think the media are a bunch of liars when it comes to their coverage of these issues.

00:23:40.000 They'll spend all their time talking about the dangers of the alt-right and none of their time talking about Antifa.

00:23:45.000 It's because they are warm toward Antifa's cause in the same way that even today, if you say the word Soviet Union, people don't shudder in the same way that you say Nazi.

00:23:53.000 That's because the media in the United States decided to treat the Nazis and the Soviet Union disparately. 0.99

00:23:57.000 The Nazis should be treated like the sheer human garbage that they were and are. 0.99

00:24:03.000 Well, so should communists, okay? 0.99

00:24:04.000 Hardcore communists killed more people than the Nazis, and yet we treat communism as though it is still a valued way of life, something that we ought to think about.

00:24:12.000 We treat people who are communists, like Antifa, as though they are purporting to speak for something worthwhile.

00:24:19.000 They're not.

00:24:19.000 Okay, here are these protests over the weekend again, shouting, all cops are racist, while being protected by cops, by the way.

00:24:37.000 So there they are, marching down the street, hundreds of them, shouting, all cops are racist, while being protected by the cops.

00:24:44.000 All class acts, according to the media.

00:24:45.000 These are just anti-fascist protesters, don't you understand?

00:24:48.000 These are like the young men storming the beaches of Normandy.

00:24:51.000 Literally, over the last year, we've seen that argument in the pages of the Washington Post, that these are the young people. 1.00

00:24:56.000 It's just like Normandy, because anti-fascists were the people storming the beaches of Normandy, and anti-fascists now are, like, storming the beaches of Normandy, except what they're actually doing is attacking all the police officers protecting them from the predations of alt-right idiots. 1.00

00:25:10.000 The cops standing around them, they are all racist. 1.00

00:25:12.000 This is what we have learned. 0.92

00:25:14.000 And then the protesters actually attacked reporters.

00:25:16.000 So imagine if the Tea Party had attacked reporters.

00:25:19.000 We never hear the end of it, right?

00:25:21.000 They spent, in 2010, members of the Democratic Party, their actual hierarchy, called the Tea Party terrorists.

00:25:27.000 They said they were like domestic terrorists.

00:25:29.000 Legitimately, they said this over and over and over again.

00:25:32.000 I was a Tea Partier.

00:25:33.000 You might have been a Tea Partier, too.

00:25:34.000 There was not a single act of violence by the Tea Party toward anyone, and yet they were treated as terrorists.

00:25:39.000 Meanwhile, Occupy Wall Street was protesting in criminal fashion.

00:25:43.000 They were shutting down freeways.

00:25:44.000 There were rapes going on at Occupy Wall Street camps.

00:25:47.000 And the media didn't cover it at all.

00:25:49.000 Well, the same thing is happening now with the alt-right and Antifa. 0.99

00:25:52.000 The alt-right is disgusting and awful. 1.00

00:25:54.000 Antifa is similarly disgusting and awful and violent. 0.99

00:25:57.000 Here are protesters from Antifa attacking NBC reporters over the weekend. 0.95

00:26:05.000 You see there's an NBC reporter carrying a camera.

00:26:07.000 And then somebody comes up, slaps the camera out of the NBC reporter's hand.

00:26:15.000 And start shouting at them.

00:26:16.000 And then Antifa cut an ABC News cable.

00:26:18.000 So ABC News was filming, and these Antifa members slapped down the camera, and then they proceeded to cut the sound cable, right, which is actual property damage.

00:26:25.000 Don't be shoving on people.

00:26:26.000 What's wrong with you?

00:26:28.000 Yeah, and get that out of my face. 0.91

00:26:30.000 I got it.

00:26:31.000 I'm his size.

00:26:31.000 Hi guys, I'm his size.

00:26:33.000 That's f***ing rude, man.

00:26:43.000 Struggling with the camera, and then they actually cut the sound cord on this thing. 0.99

00:26:48.000 The idea that progressives deserve more kudos from the media simply because of their political point of view is just disgusting.

00:26:55.000 Benny Johnson over at Daily Caller, he went out in the middle of a progressive protest in one of these Antifa protests in front of the White House, and he started asking these folks what they would do to Trump if Trump were in front of them.

00:27:06.000 And here are some of their answers. 0.91

00:27:08.000 I would murder him for the people. 0.99

00:27:09.000 We'd have to do him like Qaddafi. 1.00

00:27:11.000 That's a guy wearing a mask. 0.96

00:27:41.000 All these people talking about killing the President of the United States, torturing the President of the United States.

00:27:45.000 Don't worry, media, this isn't worth covering. 1.00

00:27:47.000 The stuff that's really worth covering is those 20 idiots led by Jason Kessler who couldn't even fill a train car from Charlottesville to Washington, D.C. 1.00

00:27:53.000 That's where you need to put all of your attention. 0.99

00:27:55.000 And now look at how the Washington Post covered this, okay?

00:27:57.000 So the Washington Post did cover all of the conflict between Antifa and the police, but here's how they covered it.

00:28:02.000 This is legitimately what they tweeted.

00:28:04.000 Confusion over an enormous police presence turned into anger Saturday night in Charlottesville, as hundreds of protesters marched through the streets, growing angry at police and calling for an end to white supremacy.

00:28:13.000 Okay, that's not what happened.

00:28:14.000 The police were there to protect all of the protesters, and then the protesters started shouting about how all the cops were racist.

00:28:20.000 But listen to how the Washington Post frames this.

00:28:22.000 They framed it as these evil fascist police trying to shut down the protest, and then it turned into anger because the police were the aggressors.

00:28:29.000 That's what that tweet actually says.

00:28:30.000 Confusion over an enormous police presence turned into anger Saturday.

00:28:34.000 It wasn't confusion.

00:28:35.000 They hate cops and they were ripping on cops and trying to hurt cops. 0.90

00:28:37.000 That's all.

00:28:38.000 That's all.

00:28:39.000 And the Washington Post continued along these lines, right?

00:28:41.000 I mean, the Washington Post had an entire tweet thread talking about exactly this.

00:28:46.000 And they also added, Just a year ago, those outright fascists were there, being terrible people, but now you have these peaceful Antifa crowds who all they do is attack cops and try to attack media members, that's all.

00:29:07.000 Many protesters called the police's actions on Saturday a provocation, another symbol of the over-policing of America, and started chanting at the officers who were holding shields and wearing helmets.

00:29:17.000 How dare they?

00:29:18.000 How dare they, the police?

00:29:20.000 And then people wonder why we don't take the media seriously?

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00:30:29.000 All righty, so Bill de Blasio, right, who is the mayor of New York, he has been ripping into the media.

00:30:35.000 You wonder about the media malfeasance, the dishonesty of the media.

00:30:39.000 Brian Stelter at Reliable Sources.

00:30:40.000 I've been on his show several times.

00:30:42.000 He's supposed to be the media watchdog, the guy who stands up for the media, right?

00:30:46.000 This is somebody who deeply cares about the freedom of the press.

00:30:49.000 These are the same members of the press who think Antifa is okay, but the alt-right is terrible.

00:30:52.000 Because the alt-right is terrible, but Antifa is not okay.

00:30:55.000 Brian Stelter has on de Blasio, and de Blasio starts ripping into the press.

00:30:59.000 The press critical of him, of course.

00:31:00.000 The New York Post, and Rupert Murdoch, and the New York Daily News.

00:31:03.000 He's been terrible for local news, Bill de Blasio.

00:31:06.000 Brian Stelter says nothing as Bill de Blasio goes off on how terrible Rupert Murdoch is.

00:31:11.000 We would be a more unified country.

00:31:12.000 There would be less overt hate.

00:31:15.000 There would be less appeal to racial division.

00:31:18.000 I guarantee it, because what Murdoch did through Fox News and the New York Post, among others, is to create a dynamic where that stuff could come out in the open.

00:31:27.000 We saw it in New York City for years and years, where race was infused into the dialogue in a very negative way, and it was a sort of an apocalyptic vision was created of the notion of

00:31:38.000 Going back to a time of crime and decay and always putting that through a lens of people of color as the villains. 1.00

00:31:47.000 Okay, look at these firefighters like Brian Stelter rushing to the defense of the media right there.

00:31:51.000 Did you see how angry Brian Stelter was as a government official basically suggested that the press was responsible for everything bad happening in America?

00:31:58.000 Did you see the feel the anger rolling off of Brian Stelter's bald head?

00:32:02.000 Did you feel it?

00:32:03.000 I didn't.

00:32:04.000 Because it didn't happen.

00:32:05.000 Because Brian Stelter is holding the media to a double standard.

00:32:07.000 When it's Rupert Murdoch or Fox News, then it's okay for politicians to bash them.

00:32:11.000 But when it's CNN, CNN must never, ever be bashed. 0.96

00:32:14.000 It is very bad when the President of the United States says CNN sucks and CNN is fake news.

00:32:18.000 But it is fine when Bill de Blasio, who's an awful, awful commie mayor of New York, when he comes forward and he says that the New York Post is terrible for America, Rupert Murdoch is terrible for America, then, of course, not a problem at all.

00:32:30.000 And then you wonder why Trump's anti-media message resonates.

00:32:33.000 It resonates because for legitimately my entire life, the media have been this bad.

00:32:36.000 The same media that cover for Antifa, the same media that suggest that we ought not be worried in the slightest about left-wing violence, we should only be worried about right-wing violence, even though left-wing violence happens against police officers at these rallies from Antifa on a routine basis.

00:32:49.000 Those same media members are fine with attacks from politicians on right-wing media sources, or even mildly moderate media sources.

00:32:57.000 Yeah, maybe we shouldn't trust the media.

00:32:59.000 Maybe we shouldn't trust the media.

00:32:59.000 And this goes to a real question.

00:33:02.000 The infiltration of both parties by the extremes of the parties, is it growing or is it shrinking?

00:33:09.000 Is it growing or is it shrinking?

00:33:10.000 It's hard to tell at this point.

00:33:11.000 So I mentioned a little bit earlier, Corey Stewart and the fact that Corey Stewart is the Senate candidate in Virginia.

00:33:18.000 And that Corey Stewart, his campaign has been deeply ensconced with the alt-right.

00:33:23.000 And that's really gross.

00:33:25.000 And then I've talked about the fact that Antifa has infiltrated the left.

00:33:27.000 Is Corey Stewart the future of the GOP and is Al Sharpton the future of the left?

00:33:31.000 It sort of seems like that could be the future of both parties, unless reasonable people stand up and say no.

00:33:37.000 I'm going to explain that in just a second, but here is Corey Stewart versus Al Sharpton.

00:33:41.000 Is this the future of American politics right here on MSNBC?

00:33:44.000 There are Americans of every single race, of every single religion, of every single ethnicity, that are struggling with the same things.

00:33:52.000 And as long as we continue to divide Americans by race, and you've made a career out of dividing people by race, you've been a race hustler your entire career, you've made a lot of money at it, you haven't even bothered to pay your taxes at it, and all you do is divide Americans by race, and frankly people are tired of it.

00:34:11.000 Okay, what Corey Stewart is saying about Al Sharpton is 100% correct.

00:34:15.000 But Al Sharpton could say the same thing about Corey Stewart, right?

00:34:17.000 Corey Stewart, who's from Minnesota, has proclaimed that he is for the Southern legacy and these Confederate memorials have to be maintained.

00:34:22.000 Now, there's a case for maintaining Confederate memorials as a lesson from the past.

00:34:25.000 I think it's Condoleezza Rice's case, which is that we shouldn't obliterate history just because history is uncomfortable for us.

00:34:31.000 When we see statues of people who are controversial or bad, we should look at them and we should remember.

00:34:36.000 We should teach our kids based on this fact that those statues were erected in the first place.

00:34:40.000 Corey Stewart, his campaign has been a real problem.

00:34:43.000 Rick Shafton, who runs communications for Stewart, has said really terrible stuff in the past about black folks and black neighborhoods and all the rest.

00:34:51.000 He still works for Corey Stewart.

00:34:53.000 Corey Stewart has suggested that the South's legacy is fighting the Civil War, which is just awful.

00:34:58.000 The Civil War was a very, very bad war fought on behalf of slavery.

00:35:02.000 OK, but the fact that the right some people on the right have embraced Corey Stewart because they hate the left so much and a lot of people on the left have embraced Al Sharpton because they hate the right so much.

00:35:10.000 That is a recipe for disaster in the country.

00:35:12.000 The left should be called on to disavow people like Al Sharpton, who's continuously been a major player in the Democratic Party.

00:35:18.000 for 30 years after claiming race hoax after race hoax and people on the right should be disavowing Corey Stewart and that whole wing of the Republican Party because this cannot be the future of the two-party system.

00:35:28.000 If it is, then what we are going to see is going to be a nation that gets uglier and uglier.

00:35:33.000 And I understand people want to vote for one side to stop the other side.

00:35:36.000 But if we don't have some intellectual honesty from both sides, then this is the future.

00:35:40.000 The future is going to be an increased polarization due to loyalty to institutions, and then those institutions become even more polarized, even more reactionary, and even more dangerous.

00:35:48.000 This stuff has got to stop.

00:35:50.000 We have to start drawing lines.

00:35:52.000 The left must draw lines against Antifa.

00:35:54.000 It must draw lines against intersectional politics and identity politics.

00:35:57.000 And the right must draw lines against identity politics on its own side.

00:36:00.000 And conspiracy theorizing, by the way. 0.99

00:36:02.000 This crap has to stop. 0.99

00:36:03.000 Okay, now. 1.00

00:36:05.000 Speaking of crap that has to stop, and just did. 0.98

00:36:07.000 It turns out that today, the FBI fired Peter Strzok. 0.99

00:36:10.000 That only took 97 years.

00:36:12.000 Okay, Peter Strzok, you'll recall, is the FBI counterintelligence agent who came under withering criticism because he had been texting with his lover, Lisa Page, about how terrible President Trump was, and then he texted that he was going to stop President Trump from becoming president, and it only took 1,000 years for him to be fired.

00:36:28.000 According to Strzok's lawyer, Eitan Goldman,

00:36:30.000 An internal disciplinary review had recommended Strzok's demotion and a 60-day suspension, but Goldman said Monday the deputy director of the FBI overruled that determination and decided to fire him.

00:36:40.000 The decision to fire Special Agent Strzok is not only a departure from typical bureau practice, but also contradicts Director Wray's testimony to Congress and his assurances that the FBI intended to follow its regular process.

00:36:52.000 In this and all other personnel matters, said Strzok's lawyer.

00:36:55.000 The reality is that Strzok should have been fired long ago, obviously.

00:36:59.000 In the Inspector General review, Michael Horowitz's review over at the Department of Justice found that Peter Strzok could not have been trusted to actually handle the Hillary Clinton investigation or the Russia investigation, and that his decisions may have been biased by his bias against President Trump.

00:37:13.000 And that had real ramifications for both investigations.

00:37:16.000 Strzok should have been fired long ago.

00:37:18.000 The fact that he continued to maintain his innocence throughout all of this was always seriously questionable.

00:37:24.000 Now, we are still awaiting the Inspector General report on the Russia investigation and how much personal bias impacted the procedure in the investigation.

00:37:33.000 But there are serious questions to be asked.

00:37:34.000 Another one of those serious questions comes courtesy of John Solomon over at The Hill.

00:37:39.000 Who has a long piece today talking about the relationship between Fusion GPS and a guy named Bruce Orr, who was working for the FBI at the time.

00:37:48.000 Here's what John Solomon writes.

00:37:50.000 He says,

00:37:52.000 In a memory stick quietly exchanged in a coffee shop, an admission of a Hail Mary leak, an unmistakable effort to push the Russia investigation closer to Donald Trump's inner circle with uncorroborated tales, these are just some of the highlights from the day that Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson, paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign, met secretly with a top Justice Department official right after Trump won the 2016 election.

00:38:12.000 All of it was captured in the official's handwritten notes, a contemporaneous record that intelligence professionals tell me exposes the flaws plaguing the early Russia collusion case.

00:38:20.000 For example, Glenn Simpson, who you'll recall was working for Fusion GPS, that was the firm that was hired to do OPPO on Trump, by Hillary Clinton, told then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr during a December 10, 2016 meeting in a Washington coffee shop that he believed Trump's longtime lawyer, Michael Cohen, was a go-between from Russia to the Trump campaign.

00:38:38.000 Now, Bruce Ohr's wife actually worked for the Fusion GPS firm.

00:38:44.000 Simpson allegedly acknowledged most of the information from Fusion GPS and British intelligence operative Christopher Steele did not come from sources inside Moscow.

00:38:53.000 They said there was a Russian source in the United States who'd been providing them the information.

00:38:56.000 That makes it very suspect as to whether that information was reliable in any way.

00:39:00.000 Still, Fusion GPS was funneling all of this information over to Bruce Ohr over at the FBI.

00:39:06.000 Congressional investigators, according to John Solomon, are now scouring all of Bruce Ohr's notes for evidence that Simpson and Steele had influence over the Russia probe even after Steele was dismissed as an FBI informant in November 2016.

00:39:18.000 Investigators want to know if any players in the Russia probe gave Congress false testimony.

00:39:22.000 One notation that stands out is Simpson's account that he asked Steele to talk with Mother Jones reporter David Korn about the muckraking on Trump and Russia in the final days of the election.

00:39:31.000 At the time, Steele was still working as an FBI source.

00:39:34.000 So, apparently, the idea here is that Fusion GPS leaked all this information to David Corn, and that story was intended to blow Trump up before the election.

00:39:43.000 Now, that's not illegal, right?

00:39:45.000 It was an OPPO research hit.

00:39:47.000 But, if they were leaking secret inside information from the FBI, then that is illegal, obviously.

00:39:53.000 Simpson's lawyer is not returning call, seeking comment.

00:39:56.000 The question is, what was Bruce Ohr doing?

00:39:58.000 When was he doing it?

00:39:59.000 And this is still the open question in all of this.

00:40:02.000 What exactly was the impact of the bias against President Trump inside the FBI as they pursued their investigation in the Russia investigation?

00:40:09.000 We still don't know.

00:40:10.000 The Russia investigation allegedly, even according to Devin Nunes, was the House Intelligence Committee chairman.

00:40:16.000 Even that was initiated based on George Papadopoulos, but it is unclear how much that investigation was infiltrated by people who did not like Trump and were attempting to use that investigation to quote-unquote get Trump either before or after the election.

00:40:28.000 There are serious questions that still have to be asked about all of that and President Trump isn't wrong to be deeply frustrated with all of that.

00:40:34.000 He just tweeted out this morning, Agent Peter Strzok was just fired from the FBI.

00:40:38.000 Finally, the list of bad players in the FBI and DOJ gets longer and longer.

00:40:41.000 Based on the fact that Strzok was in charge of the witch hunt, will it be dropped?

00:40:44.000 It is a total hoax.

00:40:45.000 No collusion.

00:40:46.000 No obstruction.

00:40:47.000 I just fight back.

00:40:48.000 Just fired Agent Strzok, formerly of the FBI, was in charge of the crooked Hillary Clinton sham investigation.

00:40:53.000 It was a total fraud on the American public and should be properly redone.

00:40:56.000 So now he's calling on his DOJ to re-prosecute Hillary Clinton.

00:40:59.000 We'll see how that plays out.

00:41:01.000 I mean, I'm not sure that that's a wise move.

00:41:03.000 That said, the president ought to be very frustrated with his DOJ and FBI.

00:41:07.000 He has every right to do so.

00:41:09.000 Okay.

00:41:09.000 Time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:41:11.000 So...

00:41:12.000 Things I like today.

00:41:13.000 So I referenced this book I was reading on Rwanda over the weekend, recommended to me by my friend Jane Koston.

00:41:19.000 I asked her for some books that she would recommend on politics in Africa, because I really don't know that much about it.

00:41:25.000 The book is called Bad News, Last Journalist in a Dictatorship by Anjan Sundaram.

00:41:29.000 Now, it's a very good book.

00:41:32.000 The qualification I have is that it's endorsed by Noam Chomsky, which always makes me think twice about the book.

00:41:36.000 I think what the book does really well is it does show you how dictatorships run.

00:41:40.000 It does show you the threat to journalists, particularly in dictatorships, and the danger of dictatorships in turning a population into a subject population willing to do the will of the dictator.

00:41:49.000 That said, I don't know enough about Rwandan politics, to be honest with you, to tell you whether there are any viable alternatives to the Kagame regime in Rwanda, which has been highly successful at boosting the economy while at the same time suppressing public dissent.

00:42:02.000 In the aftermath of the Rwandan genocide, there are a lot of folks who think maybe dictatorship is almost necessary because democracy would break down immediately into civil war again.

00:42:10.000 I don't know enough about Rwanda to give you a straight answer on that.

00:42:13.000 All I can tell you is the book does provide a window into how people think.

00:42:17.000 The most interesting part of this book

00:42:19.000 Because there's a section where Kagame basically orders a bunch of people inside Rwanda to take down the thatched roof huts that they have.

00:42:26.000 They don't have modern roofing in Rwanda because it's a very poor country still.

00:42:30.000 And all these people basically dismantle the roofs on their own homes without any sort of replacement for them.

00:42:35.000 And when asked about it by Sundaram, the author of this book, they say, listen, we were told to do so and we have to modernize the country, so of course we would take down our own roofs.

00:42:43.000 Once you have people who are willing to do stuff that does not benefit them, and actually is highly damaging, simply because someone told them to do it, you have a population that is in serious danger of reverting to violence at the drop of a hat.

00:42:55.000 And that's a serious problem.

00:42:56.000 It's why I said earlier on the show, institutional loyalty combined with radical polarization is a serious danger of violence.

00:43:03.000 That's what creates a serious danger of violence.

00:43:06.000 Don't be a follower.

00:43:07.000 Be an individual.

00:43:08.000 When you start thinking of yourself as a member of a collective as opposed to a member of an individual, you start to say OK to things you never would have said OK to before.

00:43:15.000 OK.

00:43:16.000 Other things that I like.

00:43:17.000 So this video, which is from November 2017, is really pretty amazing.

00:43:21.000 This is a video of a Brazilian surfer setting the world's record for surfing the largest wave.

00:43:25.000 His name is Rodrigo Coxa.

00:43:27.000 Look at this video.

00:43:29.000 This wave is 80 feet tall.

00:43:31.000 Look at this.

00:43:32.000 There's no there's no sound on it.

00:43:34.000 But you can it's unbelievable.

00:43:35.000 I mean, it looks like he's surfing a tsunami, basically. 0.98

00:43:38.000 It's just ridiculous. 0.96

00:43:40.000 And I have to say. 0.78

00:43:42.000 You know, the fact that this guy is willing to undertake that, I mean, good for him, but holy moly, sometimes you just have to admire the skill.

00:43:50.000 Look at that, that's real speed right there.

00:43:52.000 How you survive that is beyond me, but professionals are professionals.

00:43:57.000 I mean, Bodhi from Point Break signals his approval.

00:44:00.000 So, amazing stuff there.

00:44:01.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate and then we'll do a Federalist Paper.

00:44:08.000 Okay, so today's thing that I hate.

00:44:09.000 So Nancy Pelosi, I think, really spills the beans here. 0.99

00:44:13.000 She wants to be Speaker of the House again, and she basically says to Democratic candidates, go ahead and lie to the American public. 0.94

00:44:18.000 Lie to them that you don't like me.

00:44:19.000 Lie to them you won't make me Speaker.

00:44:21.000 Do whatever you have to do to win.

00:44:23.000 And then you wonder why people don't trust politicians.

00:44:25.000 You wonder why Trump is President.

00:44:26.000 One of the reasons Trump is President is because there is a baseline level of dishonesty that is baked into our politics.

00:44:31.000 The reality is that if the Democrats regain the House, they will make Nancy Pelosi speaker again.

00:44:35.000 That is a talking point for Republicans.

00:44:37.000 But Democrats are disabusing their voters of the idea that they're going to back Pelosi, even though they're lying.

00:44:42.000 And she says, fine, if you have to lie, lie.

00:44:44.000 Lie to get in power.

00:44:45.000 OK, well, if that's our politics, then no wonder that President Trump, who is routinely dishonest about things, no wonder that the American public just discount the dishonesty.

00:44:53.000 They say he's honest about the big things.

00:44:54.000 Who cares if he's dishonest about the small things?

00:44:56.000 Nancy Pelosi is certainly no better.

00:44:58.000 I do believe that none of us is indispensable, but I think I'm the best person for the job.

00:45:03.000 And I won't let the Republican ads, which are just flooding these districts, and I say to the candidates, do whatever you have to do.

00:45:12.000 Just win, baby.

00:45:14.000 I know.

00:45:14.000 One in five children in America lives in poverty.

00:45:16.000 We must win this.

00:45:18.000 Okay, so basically lie as much as you can to get power.

00:45:21.000 I wonder why we don't trust our politicians and we're willing to elect anybody who even has the slightest semblance of a non-politician.

00:45:26.000 I can't imagine.

00:45:27.000 Okay, time for a quick Federalist Paper.

00:45:29.000 So, we're all the way up to Federalist 41, making steady progress through the Federalist Papers.

00:45:33.000 Federalist 41, written by James Madison, and he talks about the powers necessary for the government to function properly.

00:45:38.000 So this particular Federalist Paper asks two questions.

00:45:40.000 The first question is whether

00:45:43.000 Any of the powers transferred to the general government are unnecessary or improper, meaning is the government grabbing more power than it needs?

00:45:50.000 And second, whether it could be dangerous to give this kind of power to the federal government.

00:45:55.000 He says it's pretty clear that all the powers delegated to the federal government

00:45:59.000 Under the Constitution are necessary.

00:46:00.000 And then he answers, yes, of course, the government could misuse the powers.

00:46:03.000 He says, in every political institution, a power to advance the public happiness involves a discretion which may be misapplied and abused.

00:46:10.000 Right?

00:46:11.000 Of course, anytime you give the government the power to cure a problem, it could also make the problem twice as bad by...

00:46:15.000 Usurping to itself additional power.

00:46:17.000 He says this is the reason why the Constitution has checks and balances and it is why the Constitution is a document of enumerated powers.

00:46:24.000 Now this is deeply important.

00:46:25.000 There are a lot of folks on the left who think that the Constitution is important because of the Bill of Rights.

00:46:28.000 The Bill of Rights is the least important part of the Constitution.

00:46:31.000 The most important part of the Constitution is the structural Constitution.

00:46:35.000 The part of the Constitution that says how the government works.

00:46:37.000 The government is only supposed to have a certain number of enumerated powers.

00:46:42.000 Right?

00:46:42.000 Powers that are spelled out that the government has.

00:46:44.000 All other powers do not belong to the government.

00:46:47.000 According to Madison, the government has six types of powers.

00:46:49.000 Security against foreign danger. 0.98

00:46:50.000 Regulation of intercourse with foreign nations.

00:46:52.000 That would be trade.

00:46:53.000 Maintenance of harmony and proper intercourse among the states.

00:46:56.000 That would be preventing the states from tariffing each other, basically.

00:46:58.000 Certain miscellaneous objects of general utility, which is like post offices and stuff.

00:47:03.000 Restraint of the states from certain injurious acts so you can prevent the state from usurping power from the feds.

00:47:08.000 And provisions for giving due efficacy to all these powers.

00:47:11.000 So that's what the Necessary and Proper Clause is.

00:47:13.000 The Constitution allows the government to do what it needs to do in order to effectuate those clauses.

00:47:17.000 But he also points out a principle of interpretation.

00:47:21.000 So he says what you can't do is look at the Constitution, see a power, and then expand the actual scope of the government to everything.

00:47:28.000 He gives an example.

00:47:29.000 He says, a power to destroy the freedom of the press, the trial by jury, or even to regulate the course of dissents or the forms of conveyances must be very singularly expressed by the terms to raise money for the general welfare.

00:47:40.000 He explicitly points out an argument people on the left use.

00:47:42.000 They say, well, look, the Constitution says the government has the power to provide for the general welfare.

00:47:46.000 That means income tax.

00:47:47.000 It means socialized health care.

00:47:49.000 No, says Madison.

00:47:50.000 What color can this objection have when a specification of the objects alluded to by these general terms immediately follows and is not even separated by a longer pause than a semicolon?

00:48:00.000 In other words, when it says to raise money for the general welfare and then it lists

00:48:04.000 All of the things you can do with that clause, that is a comprehensive list.

00:48:10.000 It doesn't mean that the general rule overrides the specifics.

00:48:13.000 It means the specifics govern the general.

00:48:15.000 And this is true in its basic principle of constitutional interpretation.

00:48:19.000 The specific governs the general.

00:48:21.000 The general does not govern the specific.

00:48:22.000 If I say to you, I want you to go to the supermarket and here's a list of objects I want you to pick up at the supermarket.

00:48:27.000 I don't mean go to the supermarket and buy anything you want.

00:48:30.000 The specifics govern the general.

00:48:31.000 The same thing is true in contractual negotiation and contractual interpretation, and it's true when it comes to the Constitution.

00:48:38.000 If the Constitution says the government has the power to provide for the general welfare, and then lists for pages all the stuff the government can do, it's all the stuff the government can do that matters, it is not that motivating clause to provide for the general welfare.

00:48:51.000 As Madison says, for what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted

00:48:55.000 If these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power.

00:48:58.000 And that, of course, is exactly right.

00:48:59.000 And this is why originalism is correct when it comes to constitutional interpretation.

00:49:03.000 Just as you would read a contract literally by looking at the specific terms, you have to look at the Constitution and read it literally by looking at the specific terms.

00:49:11.000 Okay, we'll be back here tomorrow with all the latest.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - August 13, 2018

The Alt-Right Fizzle | Ep. 601

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