The Ben Shapiro Show - The Bernie Sanders Administration | Ep. 953

00:00:00.000 The media enter a state of denial after Bernie seizes control of the Democratic primary lead.

00:00:04.000 AOC and Bernie are at odds, and we examine Bernie's platform in detail.

00:00:08.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:22.000 We're going to get to everything Bernie related in a moment and there will be a lot to talk about with regard to Bernie Sanders.

00:00:27.000 I do have to note that President Trump now seems to see Michael Bloomberg as his chief rival for the presidency.

00:00:32.000 The reason I say this is because Trump is focusing a lot On Michael Bloomberg on his Twitter feed.

00:00:37.000 Now, maybe that's because Bloomberg is under Trump's skin and Trump is under Bloomberg's skin.

00:00:40.000 The way that Trump is going after Michael Bloomberg is by calling him short.

00:00:43.000 Now, as somebody who is familiar with this particular tactic, I will say I do find it kind of obnoxious because, honestly, like...

00:00:50.000 So what?

00:00:51.000 Like seriously, so what?

00:00:52.000 But this is President Trump's favorite thing to do.

00:00:54.000 Apparently it does get under Michael Bloomberg's skin.

00:00:56.000 Maggie Haberman of the New York Times reported that actually Michael Bloomberg, believe it or not, lied on his driver's license at one point about his own height, which is never a particularly good look. 0.87

00:01:06.000 But President Trump, yesterday he tweeted out, Mini Mike Bloomberg is a loser who has money but can't debate and has zero presence, you will see.

00:01:14.000 He reminds me of a tiny version of Jeb Low Energy Bush. 0.87

00:01:17.000 I love that Jeb is just standing over here in the corner like, what did I do, man?

00:01:20.000 And Trump's just swiping at him.

00:01:23.000 Just getting completely sideswiped.

00:01:25.000 Jeb Bush is just the guy who's jogging along the street and Trump just opens that passenger side door as he's driving along the street and bam, just smacks Jeb for no reason.

00:01:35.000 He reminds me of a tiny version of Jeb Low Energy Bush, but Jeb has more political skill and has treated the black community much better than many, which is his new name for Michael Bloomberg as he calls him many.

00:01:45.000 This prompted Michael Bloomberg to come back at President Trump.

00:01:50.000 Actually, President Trump had a follow-up tweet to that.

00:01:52.000 We can go back for one second.

00:01:53.000 President Trump did a follow-up tweet.

00:01:54.000 He said, Minimike is a 5'4", mass of dead energy. 1.00

00:02:01.000 Everything's stupid, man. 1.00

00:02:02.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

00:02:04.000 Mini Mike is a 5'4 massive dead energy who does not want to be on the debate stage with these professional politicians. 1.00

00:02:10.000 No boxes, please.

00:02:11.000 That, of course, is a reference to the fact that Michael Bloomberg at at least one press conference had an Apple box that he stood on.

00:02:16.000 He hates crazy Bernie and will, with enough money, possibly stop him. 0.84

00:02:20.000 Bernie's people will go nuts.

00:02:21.000 So Trump, obviously, is trying to gin up A lot of conflict between the Bernie people and the Bloomberg people.

00:02:27.000 Believe me, that doesn't need any ginning up.

00:02:28.000 That's going to emerge on its own.

00:02:30.000 Bloomberg, for his part, then responded to Trump by saying, President Trump, we know many of the same people in New York behind your back. 0.98

00:02:36.000 They laugh at you and call you a carnival barking clown. 1.00

00:02:38.000 They know you inherited a fortune and squandered it with stupid deals and incompetence. 1.00

00:02:41.000 I have the record and the resources to defeat you. 1.00

00:02:43.000 And I will.

00:02:44.000 And this, of course, has got the Democrats all hot and bothered. 0.99

00:02:49.000 I mean, wow, Michael Bloomberg saying that he's a con man and a liar. 0.81

00:02:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:02:54.000 Again, all of this is childish crap, obviously. 0.92

00:02:56.000 But Trump does see Bloomberg as sort of his lead rival at the moment. 0.95

00:03:01.000 And the fact that he is and the fact that Bloomberg is willing to spend as much money as it takes in order to do some damage is Is something that has the Trump team at least awake nights.

00:03:12.000 Okay, in a second we're going to get to everything Bernie Sanders related because there is some Bernie Sanders news.

00:03:16.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:04:25.000 Okay, well, while President Trump is worried about Michael Bloomberg, Bernie Sanders continues to lead the Democratic field.

00:04:31.000 And the polling in Nevada, again, does not exist.

00:04:33.000 This is one of the big problems, is that Nevada is notoriously difficult to poll.

00:04:36.000 It's, again, a caucus state.

00:04:38.000 Right now, the latest poll still is from January 11th, which is not going to reflect reality.

00:04:44.000 The widespread sort of wisdom, conventional wisdom, is that Bernie is leading in Nevada, which would make a lot of sense.

00:04:50.000 But there was a major union, the Culinary Union, yesterday that came out and bashed Bernie.

00:04:54.000 Amy Klobuchar is now spending some money in the state. 1.00

00:04:56.000 A surprise win by Amy Klobuchar could really throw a wrench into things, for example, because now you would have a real split in the moderate lane.

00:05:03.000 If Pete Buttigieg were to win Nevada, then he would presumably be seen As sort of the frontrunner outside of Bloomberg for that moderate leadership.

00:05:10.000 In the national polling average, however, Bernie Sanders has now pulled ahead.

00:05:13.000 So Bernie is about, in the betting odds, a 41% favorite in the betting odds.

00:05:17.000 Michael Bloomberg is standing at second at 28.6, Buttigieg at 15.1, and Biden has fallen all the way down into single digits in the betting markets at 9.2%.

00:05:27.000 Over at 538, to give you the update over there, on their estimates for who is going to take the nomination, Right now, Bernie has about a 1-in-3 shot of winning the nomination.

00:05:35.000 I guess they just updated this, so a 2-in-5 shot, about a 38% chance of winning the nomination.

00:05:40.000 Second?

00:05:41.000 No one.

00:05:42.000 Second is that they go into the convention without anyone having won a majority of the delegates.

00:05:46.000 Again, that is a significant possibility given the fact that most of the Democratic primaries, if not all of them, are split by proportional representation.

00:05:52.000 So that means that Bernie could win a state and he doesn't take all the delegates.

00:05:55.000 Like for example, right now, Pete Buttigieg actually has the delegate lead on Bernie, because he won one more delegate than Bernie did in Iowa, and they tied in New Hampshire in terms of the delegates.

00:06:03.000 Joe Biden, in that 538 estimate, still has about a 1-in-6 shot of winning a majority of delegates.

00:06:08.000 Bloomberg is down at 1-in-30, but he's the one who's been rising fast.

00:06:11.000 The reason that he's not higher is because he's skipping so many of the early primaries.

00:06:15.000 Okay, so Bernie, right now, he is the frontrunner, and the media just refused to accept this.

00:06:19.000 They refused to accept this.

00:06:21.000 Joe Biden is basically admitting this at this point, right?

00:06:24.000 Joe Biden is now having to campaign on.

00:06:26.000 Guys, I'm over here.

00:06:27.000 I'm not dead.

00:06:28.000 Not dead, guys.

00:06:29.000 Like, I'm not dead, please.

00:06:31.000 Please don't leave me here.

00:06:32.000 Please, guys.

00:06:32.000 Please don't leave me here.

00:06:33.000 Here's Joe Biden's new ad.

00:06:35.000 No one said the road would be easy.

00:06:37.000 Well, actually, you kind of said the road would be easy.

00:06:40.000 Like, that was sort of the widespread impression is that the road would be easy.

00:06:42.000 And as it turns out, people realize that you are not an alive human.

00:06:46.000 We have a tremendous opportunity to take the next great step forward.

00:06:51.000 We don't feel no ways tired.

00:06:53.000 We've come too far from where we started.

00:06:56.000 Nobody told me the road would be easy.

00:06:58.000 And I don't believe he brought me this far to stop now.

00:07:02.000 You don't like what's going on in this country, you only have one thing to do.

00:07:05.000 Work.

00:07:06.000 Together we can and will win.

00:07:09.000 Take back this country now.

00:07:12.000 There's nothing I like better than than Democrats who dropped the I'm not in no ways tired line.

00:07:16.000 You remember Hillary Clinton did this back when she was in the Senate in New York and she was running for the presidency.

00:07:21.000 She went to a southern black church and she started dropping into an inflected accent in order to draw particular support from the black community.

00:07:31.000 It's always weird when people like Joe Biden do that.

00:07:32.000 It's a very odd thing.

00:07:33.000 But Biden is fading fast.

00:07:34.000 And that means that Bernie, who's the only other person in the race with significant name recognition, except for Bloomberg, who again, is not getting in until March 3rd, right?

00:07:41.000 I mean, the Super Tuesday states in which Bloomberg is actually competing aren't coming for another three weeks.

00:07:47.000 Okay, with all of that said, this means that Bernie is the front runner and the media just refused to accept it.

00:07:51.000 So they cannot handle the idea that this octogenarian socialist is actually the leader of the Democratic Party.

00:07:57.000 So Chuck Todd, last night, he was talking about New Hampshire winners and the national poll leadership, and he said, I don't see Bernie as the frontrunner.

00:08:06.000 Is there any frontrunner right now?

00:08:07.000 Like, sure, he's won the first two states, and sure, he is favored to win Nevada, and sure, he's pulling second in South Carolina and has the most money, and sure, he has the national poll lead, but is he really the frontrunner, or do we just have no frontrunner?

00:08:17.000 Some wishful thinking here from Chuck Todd.

00:08:19.000 I don't know why some people, I feel like the only people that are going out on the limb and calling Bernie Sanders a frontrunner, they have other reasons to call him a frontrunner.

00:08:26.000 Feels like there's no frontrunner right now.

00:08:28.000 One person leads delegates.

00:08:29.000 One person has a lock on a chunk of the party.

00:08:34.000 Well, we don't know where this goes.

00:08:35.000 Is he the frontrunner?

00:08:36.000 He's certainly not getting the press at a frontrunner.

00:08:38.000 And the problem is... I don't understand how Bertie is considered a frontrunner.

00:08:43.000 This is a guy that had more... More people showed up to the polls.

00:08:47.000 Highest turnout ever, and his percentage went down that up.

00:08:50.000 Okay, but he's still the frontrunner.

00:08:51.000 I mean, like, what else are you gonna call him?

00:08:53.000 He's won the only two primaries that have taken place so far.

00:08:55.000 He's gonna win the third.

00:08:56.000 He may win the fourth.

00:08:57.000 And he is going to have the delegate lead.

00:08:59.000 He already has the popular vote lead.

00:09:00.000 Of course he's the frontrunner.

00:09:01.000 Just because Chuck Todd doesn't like it doesn't mean that he's not the frontrunner.

00:09:04.000 He clearly is.

00:09:05.000 Jim Messina, a former Obama campaign guy.

00:09:08.000 Jim Messina did the same thing.

00:09:09.000 He says, you know, it's so funny to watch the left scurry for who's the big winner from New Hampshire.

00:09:14.000 Obviously, Bernie is the big winner from New Hampshire, right?

00:09:16.000 There are other people who are making moves.

00:09:17.000 Klobuchar moved up.

00:09:18.000 Buttigieg got a bump from Iowa.

00:09:20.000 But the big winner is the guy who won.

00:09:22.000 I mean, can we be real about this for a second?

00:09:23.000 The guy who won would be the big winner.

00:09:25.000 But here's Jim Messina saying, well, maybe the big winner is Michael Bloomberg.

00:09:29.000 Okay, Michael Bloomberg did have a good night in New Hampshire because the more confused the race is, the more the guy with all the cash standing in the background matters a lot.

00:09:36.000 He, again, is rising in the national polling data.

00:09:38.000 But, with that said, it's pretty obvious that the big winner from Iowa and New Hampshire would be the guy who actually won the caucuses and then won the primary.

00:09:45.000 Here's Jim Messina trying to deny reality.

00:09:48.000 The second number that I think people need to watch is, you know, over 55% of voters voted for a moderate candidate.

00:09:54.000 They said the most important issue is who can beat Donald Trump.

00:09:57.000 And that, if you're looking at that number, the big number, the big winner last night could be Mayor Bloomberg as he gets ready for Battleship Bloomberg and this unbelievable spending that's about to come our way.

00:10:08.000 He's sitting back here ready to make a case that he's the best candidate.

00:10:12.000 So we are in early days and it's going to be very interesting moving forward.

00:10:16.000 Okay, now this could get super fun.

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00:11:42.000 Alrighty, so in just one second, so let's get to these scenarios unspooling in the Democratic primary. 0.96

00:11:47.000 So, as I say, it is quite possible that no one goes into the convention with a majority of the delegates.

00:11:52.000 In fact, right now, as I say, 538 has that as the second most likely scenario after Bernie going in with a majority of the delegates.

00:11:58.000 So let's say that Bernie goes in with a plurality of the delegates, but let's say that he's been losing a lot of the recent primaries.

00:12:04.000 Let's say by the time we get to the end of the race, the momentum is with Michael Bloomberg.

00:12:09.000 Let's say, for example, that Michael Bloomberg now has the national polling lead over Bernie Sanders, and that he is polling better in national head-to-head matchups against President Trump.

00:12:18.000 And let's say that he very narrowly trails Bernie Sanders in terms of plurality of delegates.

00:12:24.000 And the problem is that because Bernie is a radical and because Bernie's people don't care about the Democratic Party, right?

00:12:29.000 I mean, he brought in a bunch of people who really are not typical Democrats and they've taken over the party.

00:12:34.000 He's got the same systemic advantage that Trump had in 2016, which is to say, if they had tried to take the nomination away from Trump, A lot of Trump's voters would have just walked from the Republican Party.

00:12:42.000 Bernie could do exactly the same thing and then the Democrats lose.

00:12:45.000 So if Bernie walks in with the delegate lead, there's very little shot that he walks out without the delegate lead.

00:12:49.000 But what if Bernie finishes a close second?

00:12:51.000 What if Bernie finishes a close second in the delegates and nobody actually has a majority?

00:12:55.000 Bernie could play the same card.

00:12:56.000 Bernie could say, listen, I was jobbed by the Democratic Party again.

00:12:59.000 They keep trying to screw us.

00:13:01.000 And so I'm just not going to back whoever this is or my support will be soft.

00:13:06.000 But I'm not going to go further than that.

00:13:09.000 And so Bernie does have a lot of weight, simply because, number one, he's doing well, but number two, because he and his supporters are indeed so radical.

00:13:16.000 So this is a disaster area for the Democratic Party, because even a competitive Bernie means a real problem for the Democratic Party.

00:13:22.000 What they really need is for someone to blow Bernie out, or at least to defeat Bernie so solidly, at least as solidly as Hillary Clinton did, so that he can't complain that he was jobbed out of the nomination.

00:13:32.000 Now, there is some conflict in Bernie-land, according to Anthony Leonardi, reporting for the Washington Examiner.

00:13:39.000 Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders and the leader of the Squad are reportedly not seeing eye-to-eye on the campaign trail.

00:13:44.000 New York Representative AOC is reportedly frustrating the Sanders campaign during her appearances at the Socialist campaign rallies. 0.95

00:13:49.000 While Sanders was occupied in the Senate during the impeachment trial of Trump, AOC subbed in for him.

00:13:53.000 However, she did not mention the candidate by name during a January rally, though she endorsed him last October.

00:13:58.000 So she's going around doing the I'm AOC and I'm special routine, and she completely forgets that Bernie is apparently part of this whole thing, like sponsoring her to be on the campaign trail.

00:14:06.000 Vanity Fair reported that Sanders' campaign manager, Faiz Shakir, expressed his frustration to AOC's campaign manager over texts, saying her immigration stances were too extreme.

00:14:15.000 In fact, AOC is making him look bad.

00:14:17.000 Why?

00:14:17.000 Because she's going out there and saying we should just have wildly open borders.

00:14:21.000 Even for Bernie, she's saying the quiet part out loud.

00:14:22.000 There's not a lot of the quiet part with Bernie.

00:14:25.000 Bernie tends to say the quiet part out loud.

00:14:26.000 But AOC just goes out there and spills it.

00:14:29.000 So Bernie will say, we need a more tolerant and fair immigration system.

00:14:32.000 And then AOC will be like, that means open borders, guys!

00:14:35.000 Like, wow!

00:14:36.000 And Bernie's like, why would you say that?

00:14:38.000 That is not a good campaign tactic.

00:14:40.000 And so this sort of split is now moving out into the open.

00:14:44.000 And Iowa Rallies, she said, organizing is about tipping people off if you start to see that ICE and CBP are in communities to try and keep people safe.

00:14:51.000 That is overtly violating the law, right?

00:14:53.000 Calling on people to run away from the cops.

00:14:57.000 You're now complicit in a criminal act.

00:14:59.000 She says, I'm not here to reform some of these systems when we talk about immigration.

00:15:02.000 I'm here because Senator Sanders is actually committed to breaking up ICE and CBP.

00:15:05.000 That's why I'm here.

00:15:07.000 By the way, if you think that that doesn't end up in an ad, you are absolutely wrong.

00:15:11.000 President Trump runs that ad from now until the election.

00:15:13.000 AOC saying that the reason she's endorsing Sanders is because she wants people to avoid law enforcement and because she wants to completely break up both ICE and the CBP, which means effectively no law enforcement on the border.

00:15:26.000 Some in the Sanders campaign, according to the Washington Examiner, were reportedly frustrated by AOC's comments discouraging cooperation with federal authorities, saying they were off track of Bernie's stance, which opposes open borders.

00:15:35.000 Meanwhile, AOC's team was upset because Sanders accepted comedian Joe Rogan's endorsement.

00:15:40.000 Following blowback, Sanders' spokeswoman distanced the campaign from Rogan, but noted the campaign will need a big tent of supporters to defeat President Trump.

00:15:48.000 In addition to AOC's endorsement, of course, Sanders is supported by Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.

00:15:52.000 So there's a little bit of trouble in socialist paradise.

00:15:56.000 The bigger trouble in socialist paradise is that eventually, eventually, somebody is actually going to look at Bernie Sanders' plans.

00:16:02.000 And that's the part where it's going to get real awkward, because so far he's been shielded from that.

00:16:07.000 The media keep making this mistake with Democratic candidates.

00:16:09.000 They did it with Hillary Clinton, they did it with Joe Biden, and now they're doing it with Bernie.

00:16:11.000 And that is, they shield the Democrats from criticism.

00:16:14.000 They don't do investigative, like basic investigative tactics.

00:16:18.000 They don't ask basic investigative questions of these candidates.

00:16:21.000 They go after Republicans hammer and tongs.

00:16:23.000 But when it comes to Democrats, when it comes to Hillary, Hillary was off limits. 1.00

00:16:26.000 And then when Trump hits her with the kitchen sink, it's like, oh my God, where did that come from?

00:16:29.000 And the American public are made aware of new information.

00:16:32.000 See, when it comes to the economy, I believe it was George Gilder who likened the economy to a phone line, that the economy works best when the phone line is clear, meaning that the rules are predictable, they don't change, there's not a lot of static on the line, there's not a lot of new information that's being added to the static on the line.

00:16:49.000 Okay, well, the same thing holds true in a political campaign.

00:16:51.000 The best thing in a political campaign is when there's no new information that is added, right? 0.99

00:16:55.000 This is why Trump has sort of a systemic advantage here, because Trump is a mud monster. 0.98

00:16:58.000 The more information you add, the less it matters. 0.97

00:17:01.000 Everybody knows everything about Trump.

00:17:02.000 There's not much you can say about Trump that hurts him.

00:17:04.000 Okay, but if you're Hillary Clinton and the media have been trying to portray you as clean as the driven snow, pure as the driven snow, and then it turns out you're not, that's gonna hurt you. 0.99

00:17:13.000 The same thing happened with Joe Biden.

00:17:14.000 I think this Hunter Biden thing hurt Joe specifically because the media, even as they reported the Hunter Biden stuff, it was originally reported in the New Yorker, tried to cover for it as not that big a deal.

00:17:23.000 And then Trump hit him with the kitchen sink.

00:17:25.000 Well, they've done the same thing with Bernie.

00:17:26.000 They've shielded him up to now.

00:17:28.000 And now they're looking around going, whoops.

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00:19:01.000 Alrighty, so.

00:19:02.000 The Bernie Sanders platform is the real story here.

00:19:06.000 And again, the media have made a big boo-boo.

00:19:08.000 And now they are in emergency mode.

00:19:09.000 They're like, oh, maybe we should have talked about the fact that Bernie is an octogenarian socialist loon bag.

00:19:13.000 Maybe we should have talked about all of that.

00:19:15.000 Yeah, it's a little late now, guys, because now the only person who's going to talk about it...

00:19:19.000 is Donald Trump in the general election, and it's going to hurt.

00:19:22.000 So let's talk for a second just about the cost of some of Bernie Sanders' proposals.

00:19:26.000 So standforamericanow.com.

00:19:28.000 They've done a good job of adding up Sanders' expensive proposals.

00:19:32.000 They're basing this on Brian Riedel of the Manhattan Institute.

00:19:36.000 Riedel found that in total, Bernie Sanders is proposing $97.5 trillion of new spending in the next 10 years alone.

00:19:45.000 In the next 10 years alone.

00:19:46.000 So, let's think about this.

00:19:48.000 In the next 10 years, we've been spending about $4 trillion a year.

00:19:51.000 The United States government will spend probably on the order of $40 trillion.

00:19:54.000 Bernie Sanders is talking about tripling the budget.

00:19:58.000 Not doubling the budget, tripling the budget.

00:20:00.000 He's talking about adding another $100 trillion.

00:20:04.000 To that spend.

00:20:05.000 Okay, that's not incorporating the current spend.

00:20:08.000 It's an additional $97.5 trillion.

00:20:10.000 That means $137.5 trillion spent by the federal government as opposed to $40 trillion spent by the federal government.

00:20:18.000 Where does all this come from?

00:20:19.000 Well, according to Brian Riedel, his Medicare for All plan, people keep ballparking this thing at $32 trillion.

00:20:25.000 First of all, there has never yet been a government program that has come anywhere close to the ballpark figure originally put out for it.

00:20:30.000 And when you hear people on the left say things, well, it will save us money over the long haul because people are spending more in the private sector than they're spending in the public sector.

00:20:37.000 Well, that's like saying that if you nationalize all of the food distribution in the United States, that you could save money over private food, over how much Americans spend on private food.

00:20:48.000 You're comparing apples and oranges.

00:20:50.000 What Americans spend in the private sector compared to the public sector spending money on behalf of Americans is a very different thing because the quality is different, because the choice is different.

00:20:59.000 If the government were to give rations to the American people, we could save all sorts of money on the kinds of things that we are spending money on in terms of food in the United States.

00:21:06.000 Sure, a lot of restaurants would go out of business.

00:21:08.000 Sure, you wouldn't have a lot of choices between Indian food and Thai food tonight.

00:21:12.000 Sure, you'd basically just get like a ration kit.

00:21:15.000 But we could save all sorts of money, right?

00:21:17.000 And then you could classify it as money savings, as monetary savings.

00:21:20.000 That's what Bernie does, right?

00:21:21.000 He says, what we're going to do is we're going to take all the private spending people do on healthcare, and that includes you paying out of pocket to do a surgery that you need quickly so you're not waiting six months in line like you do in Canada.

00:21:31.000 That means being able to see a doctor fast.

00:21:33.000 It means being able to get drugs on demand.

00:21:35.000 It means being able to develop new drugs.

00:21:37.000 Bernie's like, it'll be cheaper if we just nationalize it and spend less money on it.

00:21:41.000 Literally true of every single commodity in the American private market.

00:21:45.000 Seriously true of all of these things.

00:21:46.000 Now, I know there are communists out there like, ooh, Ben's finally getting the point.

00:21:49.000 No, I'm making the point, if you notice, that the quality of government-run things is garbage-y generally.

00:21:56.000 If the government decided that the government was simply going to provide everybody with a 1989 Apple computer, Okay, we'd all save tons of money on tech, wouldn't we?

00:22:06.000 You wouldn't be shelling out for that brand new computer, but everybody would have an iMac from 1997.

00:22:10.000 I mean, don't you like how it has, like, a blue case back?

00:22:14.000 It's beautiful!

00:22:16.000 This is what Bernie is proposing, and then he's calling it saving money.

00:22:19.000 First of all, the chances are that over time, you're not going to end up saving all that much money, because either what ends up happening is rationing, or you have to increase the amount of the reimbursements that are coming from the government.

00:22:31.000 This is why when Bernie says that you're going to have exactly the same level of care, exactly the same doctor through Medicare, that you have through not Medicare, that is not true, which is why Medicare Advantage is a thing that many, many seniors, most seniors, take advantage of.

00:22:40.000 They buy additional coverage through Medicare Advantage.

00:22:44.000 Medicare for All, when he says it's going to cost $32 trillion over the next 10 years, it ain't.

00:22:49.000 It's going to cost $40, says Brian Riedel.

00:22:50.000 His climate plan, $16.3 trillion.

00:22:54.000 Guarantee, a full-time government job, right?

00:22:56.000 This is one of his things that has been glossed over.

00:22:58.000 He wants a full-time federal jobs program.

00:23:01.000 A full-time federal jobs program.

00:23:03.000 Okay, so if you lose your job, the government will just hire you straight out.

00:23:06.000 That would cost about $30 trillion. 0.93

00:23:09.000 He wants to cancel all student debt and free college for everyone in the country, which of course is an idiotic idea when we don't actually track people.

00:23:17.000 Like if you were going to make the case that you were going to have free college, but that everybody when they are 16 years old tests into a particular sector, and then you go into the most economically efficient sector, at least you can make a case. 0.82

00:23:26.000 That at that point people aren't going to useless schooling for no reason, right?

00:23:28.000 They have this sort of system in many countries in Europe, they have it in Israel.

00:23:31.000 If you are making the case that people are going to be able to choose what to major in and that we are supposed to subsidize some middle-upper class white girl to major in lesbian dance theory... 0.99

00:23:41.000 We're supposed to cover the cost of that. 1.00

00:23:43.000 That's an idiotic idea. 1.00

00:23:45.000 It's actually a regressive tax. 1.00

00:23:46.000 That's going to cost $3 trillion.

00:23:48.000 He wants to expand Social Security, which again, Social Security is bankrupt, guys.

00:23:52.000 We are putting out more money year on year than we are taking in in Social Security.

00:23:56.000 And he wants a federal housing guarantee, which he says is only going to cost $2.5 trillion, but it's going to cost more than that.

00:24:02.000 And then there are a bunch of other new programs.

00:24:04.000 There's paid family leave.

00:24:05.000 He wants to spend a trillion bucks on infrastructure, which is low.

00:24:07.000 He says that he wants $400 billion for public school teacher salaries.

00:24:10.000 That is low.

00:24:11.000 He wants $800 billion for K-12 education.

00:24:13.000 That is low.

00:24:15.000 Okay, every statistic that is put out here is going to be blown out.

00:24:18.000 There is yet to be a government program that comes in under budget.

00:24:21.000 It does not exist.

00:24:22.000 It does not exist.

00:24:24.000 As President Reagan once said, government programs are the only guarantee of everlasting life.

00:24:31.000 They do not die, they only grow, they never shrink.

00:24:34.000 So the total result is $97.5 trillion in new spending, according to Brian Riedel, 70% of the U.S.

00:24:40.000 economy on a year-on-year basis spent on government programs, 70% of the entire GDP of the United States every year, 90 trillion bucks added to the national debt, and 50% of the entire workforce employed by the government.

00:24:52.000 That sounds perfectly sustainable to me.

00:24:54.000 Does it sound sustainable to you?

00:24:56.000 I mean, I don't see the problem.

00:24:57.000 After all, bread lines have bread.

00:24:59.000 What is the problem?

00:25:00.000 We can all subsist on dreams.

00:25:02.000 Haven't you ever seen Hook?

00:25:03.000 Hook is a great movie.

00:25:04.000 Do you remember the scene where they're all eating air, but they use their imaginations, and then they have a food fight with their imaginations?

00:25:10.000 Peter, you're doing it, Peter.

00:25:12.000 Remember that?

00:25:13.000 Remember?

00:25:13.000 We could all do that.

00:25:14.000 You don't have to have actual food.

00:25:16.000 You could have imagination food.

00:25:18.000 Sure, the pie is fixed and there's not enough pie for everybody, but if you imagine a pie that is larger, then it simply exists in your imagination.

00:25:26.000 So here's the problem with all of this.

00:25:28.000 Okay, so how do we know how radical Bernie is? 1.00

00:25:28.000 It's all crap. 1.00

00:25:31.000 Because again, the media refuses to talk about this. 1.00

00:25:33.000 They simply gloss right over it.

00:25:35.000 So let's talk about the groups that he is using in order to push forward the prospective Bernie Sanders administration.

00:25:41.000 So the Washington Post has an article today that we are going to get to momentarily.

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00:26:55.000 Okay, so back to Bernie Sanders and the people who are staffing up the potential Bernie Sanders administration.

00:27:08.000 So, there is an article in the Washington Post, it is titled, as Bernie Sanders ascends, his potential White House approach to the economy comes into focus.

00:27:17.000 So here's what it says.

00:27:18.000 Interviews with more than a dozen internal and external advisors reveal how his campaign team is squarely focusing on locking up the Democratic primary, but his success had led others to try to gauge what might be next.

00:27:27.000 Many of them spoke on the condition of anonymity because the process remains so fluid and many decisions have not been made.

00:27:32.000 Some parts of Sanders's policy agenda remain unchanged from 2016.

00:27:37.000 Advisors say his Medicare for All and $15 an hour minimum wage would probably top his list of first priorities.

00:27:42.000 He has expanded his 2016 agenda by adding policies such as the Green New Deal, a housing guarantee for all Americans, the elimination of all student debt held in the country, and an aggressive wealth tax on multimillionaires and billionaires.

00:27:52.000 Critics say it's unclear whether Sanders' team is up to the daunting legislative and policy challenges ahead, while supporters see a major asset in their rejection of traditional democratic channels and policy priorities.

00:28:03.000 Sanders has hired three former aides to Harry Reid, who had a knack for holding the line during public debates while also cutting deals with Republicans at opportune times.

00:28:09.000 But Sanders has retained longtime advisors in key roles.

00:28:14.000 Some of those advisors, by the way, include Jane Sanders, his wife, who has helped craft the 2020 campaign's climate and housing policies, which is great, after she ran a university directly into the ground.

00:28:24.000 I mean, like, a plane from 20,000 feet directly into the ground is how she ran a university in Vermont.

00:28:29.000 Let's definitely put her in charge of climate and housing policy in the United States. 1.00

00:28:34.000 Okay, so his advisors apparently are clashing with major democratic think tanks.

00:28:38.000 His policy team, working with national political director Annalilia Mejia, has instead consulted with environmental and immigration activist organizations, such as Sunrise Movement and the Center for Popular Democracy.

00:28:48.000 It has also worked with labor-funded groups, such as the Economic Policy Institute and the Democracy Collaborative, an international organization connected to leftist Jeremy Corbyn's Labor Party in Britain, and new think tanks like the People's Policy Project, founded in 2017 and funded by small-dollar donations.

00:29:03.000 These groups, regarded as marginal players among Washington insiders, could gain new prominence should Sanders run the table in the election.

00:29:10.000 Okay, so let's talk about who some of these people are.

00:29:13.000 Let's talk about some of these groups, because we just ran through a list of groups, and when you group them all together, it just sounds like, oh, people who are sort of outside the box.

00:29:20.000 Let's talk about who these groups are.

00:29:22.000 So let us begin with the Sunrise Movement, right?

00:29:25.000 It is mentioned here that he is consulting with environmental and activist organizations like the Sunrise Movement.

00:29:29.000 So who exactly are the Sunrise Movement?

00:29:32.000 The Sunrise Movement is this environmentalist group, and here's what it says on their website.

00:29:35.000 They stump for what they call the Green New Deal.

00:29:38.000 And they overtly link to AOC's ridiculous videos on the Green New Deal, in which she claims that she's going to make America basically run entirely carbon-free while she becomes a senator.

00:29:52.000 I mean, really, this is a video.

00:29:53.000 We played this on the show.

00:29:55.000 Sunrise Movement posts this video on their website. 0.79

00:29:58.000 Here is that ridiculous video.

00:30:00.000 I think there was something similar with the Green New Deal. 0.70

00:30:03.000 We knew that we needed to save the planet, and that we had all the technology to do it.

00:30:08.000 But people were scared.

00:30:10.000 They said it was too big, too fast, not practical.

00:30:14.000 I think that's because they just couldn't picture it yet.

00:30:17.000 Anyways, I'm getting ahead of myself.

00:30:19.000 By committing to universal rights like healthcare and meaningful work for all, we stop being so scared of the future.

00:30:27.000 We stop being scared of each other.

00:30:29.000 And we found our shared purpose.

00:30:32.000 I mean, this is insanity, right? 0.87

00:30:33.000 Her Green New Deal is basically free crap for everyone, up to and including free healthcare for everybody, free college tuition for everybody, free housing for everybody. 0.97

00:30:42.000 It's all because we're scared, guys. 0.97

00:30:44.000 You're doing it, Peter!

00:30:45.000 Imagine!

00:30:46.000 It was fear.

00:30:46.000 We were just so scared.

00:30:47.000 It wasn't like the realities of reality.

00:30:49.000 It was fear that stopped it.

00:30:51.000 So the Sunrise Movement, post this.

00:30:53.000 They post this, and here's what they say.

00:30:55.000 The Green New Deal is a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society to 100% clean and renewable energy by 2030, a guaranteed living wage job for anyone who needs one, and a just transition for both workers and frontline communities.

00:31:07.000 So, full government employment program, and we are going to be completely carbon-free by 2030.

00:31:14.000 If you believe this, boy, do I have a bridge to sell you.

00:31:17.000 I mean, my goodness.

00:31:18.000 Entirely carbon-free in 10 years?

00:31:20.000 Good luck with that, gang.

00:31:22.000 And by the way, who are the Sunrise Movement?

00:31:23.000 They're the same people who are taking children and put them in Dianne Feinstein's office.

00:31:27.000 Even Dianne Feinstein, who is very far to the left.

00:31:30.000 She's been my senator nearly my entire life here in California.

00:31:32.000 I'm not a fan.

00:31:33.000 But the one time I became a fan of Dianne Feinstein was during this little exchange where the Sunrise Movement, these obnoxious human beings, brought in a bunch of children and had the children try to scold Dianne Feinstein, which resulted in Dianne Feinstein being like, you can't vote, shut up, kid. 0.59

00:31:46.000 The government is supposed to be for the people and by the people and all for the people.

00:31:50.000 You know what's interesting about this group?

00:31:53.000 I've been doing this for 30 years.

00:31:56.000 I know what I'm doing.

00:31:58.000 You come in here and you say it has to be my way or the highway.

00:32:03.000 I don't respond to that.

00:32:05.000 I've gotten elected.

00:32:06.000 I just ran.

00:32:08.000 I was elected by almost a million vote plurality.

00:32:13.000 And I know what I'm doing.

00:32:16.000 So, you know, maybe people should listen a little bit. 0.99

00:32:20.000 The Sunrise Movement is so ridiculous that even Dianne Feinstein, who's as far to the left as it's possible to be in Congress, even Dianne Feinstein is like, you guys are, you guys are a joke. 0.88

00:32:27.000 Okay, so that's one of the groups that Bernie Sanders is counting on. 0.88

00:32:30.000 Another of the groups that Bernie Sanders is counting on is the so-called Center for Popular Democracy.

00:32:34.000 So if you look at their website, they have a list of their values.

00:32:37.000 Some of their values include, quote, We will only be free when we dismantle the criminal justice system that steals childhood, murders black and brown people, and locks up people for being poor.

00:32:47.000 Okay, that's another one of the advisory groups to Bernie Sanders.

00:32:49.000 They believe that the criminal justice system in the United States simply locks people up for being impoverished, murders black and brown people, and steals childhoods.

00:32:57.000 And they want to completely dismantle the criminal justice system.

00:33:02.000 They want every person who was formerly incarcerated to vote.

00:33:06.000 They want a nation that quote-unquote promotes peace and harmony around the world, and we will only be free when the U.S.

00:33:12.000 government ceases to instigate violence in other countries.

00:33:15.000 Right?

00:33:16.000 So they want, they believe that the United States is the great instigator of violence.

00:33:21.000 They say, together we will dream, together we will resist, together we will rise.

00:33:23.000 Okay, so another radical group.

00:33:26.000 And then, it turns out that this Center for Popular Democracy, The Center for Popular Democracy is also associated pretty closely with this guy named Gar Alperowicz.

00:33:39.000 So Gar Alperowicz, I'm trying to remember which of these groups he is associated with.

00:33:43.000 Gar Alperowicz has become sort of famous as this post-capitalist guy.

00:33:47.000 He was one of the founders of one of the groups that, the Democracy Collaborative, that's correct.

00:33:52.000 He was with the Democracy Collaborative.

00:33:54.000 So that's another one of these groups that gets named in this Bernie Sanders article, gets name-checked, the Democracy Collaborative.

00:33:59.000 Galil Perowitz is like a post-capitalist thinker, meaning that he is openly in favor of socialism, and by socialism, he really means nationalization, right?

00:34:07.000 He's pretty clear about this.

00:34:09.000 He says that it's kind of unpalatable to talk about nationalization of resources, but effectively, we should municipalize resources.

00:34:15.000 We should just have the government take over industries. 1.00

00:34:18.000 He had an article in The Nation called, Socialism is Closer Than You Think.

00:34:24.000 And here's what he writes, at the core of the traditional socialist argument has always been the judgment that democratic ownership of the nation's wealth and especially what Marx called the means of production is essential.

00:34:32.000 The question of ownership, however, has rarely been mentioned in conventional political debate.

00:34:36.000 The traditional socialist idea of nationalized industry is beyond the pale and the vast majority of progressives have so far avoided discussing alternatives to the statist socialist model.

00:34:44.000 So he doesn't actually reject the idea of nationalizing the means of production?

00:34:48.000 Of government ownership of the means of production?

00:34:50.000 Instead, he actually chastises Bernie Sanders for not being socialist enough in the nation.

00:34:56.000 This guy, this Gallup Hurwitz fellow, who, by the way, also is the leader of the Democracy Collaborative, which is one of the groups that Bernie is consulting.

00:35:05.000 In this article for The Nation written just a couple of years ago, Alperowicz says, despite his self-definition as a democratic socialist, Sanders has offered what is essentially a strong liberal or social democratic program of progressive taxation, financial regulation, single-payer health care, increased social security and income support programs, and environmental regulations.

00:35:22.000 Sanders explicitly disavowed government ownership of businesses in his major theme-setting speech at Georgetown University last November.

00:35:28.000 At the same time, says Alperowicz, new resources have become available to support the construction of a serious alternative system.

00:35:34.000 One that is socialist in content and vision, but also highly democratic and accountable in structure.

00:35:40.000 Okay, now here's the problem.

00:35:42.000 Once you suggest that people get to vote on how industry is run, it is not actually being run along the lines of the free market.

00:35:49.000 Now you are just talking about the government cramming down its own vision of how businesses should be run on business.

00:35:56.000 So you don't actually end up with a free market.

00:35:58.000 So in fact, it's not democratic because the basis of democracy is rights.

00:36:03.000 And you're saying there are no rights.

00:36:04.000 There is just what the majority wants.

00:36:08.000 So Alperovitz recommends as an alternative to state-run systems, what he calls worker-owned cooperatives, neighborhood land trucks, and municipal corporations, all democratizing ownership in one way or another, doing so in decentralized rather than statist fashion.

00:36:22.000 But if it's done without the help of government, then that is not socialism, that is just a bunch of people getting together and founding a company together, right?

00:36:28.000 When Facebook was founded, everybody who started Facebook got a share of the stock.

00:36:32.000 That amounts to like 23 billion dollars when Facebook went public, for people who started the company.

00:36:37.000 Is there anybody on the socialist left who calls Facebook a cooperative?

00:36:40.000 Or would have called Facebook a cooperative?

00:36:41.000 If you're operating in a free market situation, Through sheer power of consent.

00:36:46.000 That is no longer communism or socialism.

00:36:47.000 Socialism has to involve a state-compelled or state-sponsored component.

00:36:51.000 Otherwise, it is not the workers in charge of the means of production.

00:36:54.000 It is just, they're capitalists now.

00:36:56.000 If you own stock, socialists will call you a capitalist.

00:37:00.000 If you own stock in a company where you work, are you a socialist?

00:37:03.000 Are you a worker?

00:37:04.000 Are you labor?

00:37:05.000 Or are you capital?

00:37:07.000 In fact, that sort of division doesn't make any sense in that context, right?

00:37:11.000 I work for Daily Wire.

00:37:12.000 I am also a stock owner in Daily Wire.

00:37:14.000 Does that mean that I am a worker, or does that mean that I am a capitalist?

00:37:17.000 The only way to tell, presumably, is if not everybody owns stock in the company, and then you can make a stark division at that point.

00:37:24.000 But that is an artificial division even then, because not everybody owns stock even working for worker cooperatives.

00:37:30.000 I'll give you an example.

00:37:32.000 And this has become one of the big talking points.

00:37:34.000 You hear AOC say things like this routinely with regard to worker cooperatives.

00:37:38.000 She's like, if Jeff Bezos were great, he would just make Amazon into a worker cooperative.

00:37:43.000 Amazon is a publicly traded company.

00:37:44.000 If you want to own a piece of Amazon, you can do so right now.

00:37:46.000 Right now.

00:37:47.000 You can go over to the stock exchange and you can buy a piece of Amazon.

00:37:52.000 Okay, but just because you didn't go over and do that does not mean that Amazon is solely for the benefit of the capitalists at the top.

00:37:59.000 Everybody who owns stock is presumably a capitalist.

00:38:01.000 And all of the workers who, by the way, earn a salary, which means they're making more money off of working at Amazon, presumably, than most stockholders in Amazon.

00:38:08.000 Those people are earning money, too.

00:38:10.000 A salary is a piece of the money you earn from the company.

00:38:12.000 That is what it is.

00:38:14.000 In any case, we'll get into this in a second.

00:38:15.000 The point that I'm making is that without government subsidies, you're not talking actually about socialism.

00:38:19.000 What you're actually talking about is just a bunch of people who get together and form a company.

00:38:22.000 In many cases, you just call this an LLC.

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00:39:15.000 So what we're seeing right now with people like Gal Alperowitz is that, or Gar Alperowitz rather, is the attempt to paint as socialist free market activity in which people own stock in a company.

00:39:31.000 Okay, that's a free market activity.

00:39:32.000 See, I have a very stark division between socialism and not socialism.

00:39:36.000 Socialism is where the state collectivizes the means of production.

00:39:40.000 State ownership of the means of production is the core of socialism.

00:39:43.000 Okay, if a bunch of us at the company get together and found a company today, and we share the stock evenly, that's not a socialist cooperative.

00:39:49.000 Okay, that is, it isn't.

00:39:51.000 That is just us deciding to cooperate.

00:39:53.000 Socialism requires a state-inspired element.

00:39:55.000 Otherwise, you're just talking about a free market arrangement.

00:39:58.000 It is the violation of consent that socialism stands for.

00:40:01.000 If violation of consent were not required, I have no problem with any of this.

00:40:04.000 Nobody, you can't find a capitalist who would have a problem with a joint stock ownership company.

00:40:08.000 Nobody has a problem with that on the right.

00:40:10.000 So if you're declaring socialism in opposition to X, then you have to find what the X is.

00:40:15.000 If I don't oppose it, I can promise you this, if I don't oppose it, it's very difficult to call it a form of socialism.

00:40:21.000 Okay, in any case, the reason that I point this out is because these same people say, well, worker cooperatives, these are true socialism.

00:40:27.000 All true socialism has to be is worker cooperatives.

00:40:30.000 Okay, let's take an example.

00:40:31.000 Mondragon is the biggest worker co-op on planet Earth, right?

00:40:35.000 It exists in Spain, it has like 80,000 employees, and everybody in the company owns stock, and then they vote on decisions together.

00:40:41.000 There's only one problem.

00:40:42.000 According to The Guardian, 2013, Mondragon is exposed to fierce competition from developing world competitors with lower labor costs.

00:40:48.000 Its response has been to set up factories or buy companies in other parts of the world.

00:40:52.000 There are now 94 subsidiaries producing goods from Vietnam to Chile, Morocco, and Russia.

00:40:57.000 Workers at these are not co-op members.

00:41:00.000 Fewer than half of Mondragon's workforce are members, meaning there are also raw-blooded capitalists living off the labor of others.

00:41:06.000 So in other words, the rules of the market do not cease to apply when more people own stock.

00:41:11.000 Publicly traded companies, lots of people own stock.

00:41:14.000 Okay, this has been true for Mondragon for years.

00:41:16.000 It operates basically like a free market corporation.

00:41:18.000 It's just there are a bunch of people who own stock and they vote in the board elections, effectively speaking.

00:41:23.000 And here's the problem with the idea of forcing down worker-owned businesses.

00:41:28.000 If you force down worker-owned businesses, then why would I invest my own capital in a company where I don't have control over the decisions that are made about the use of that capital? 0.87

00:41:36.000 Why would I do that?

00:41:37.000 If you present to me a good business plan, then I will invest in that business plan regardless of who owns the means of production.

00:41:43.000 But if you present me a bad business plan, and this is really what Bernie wants, this is what people on the left want, they want any bad business plan to be greenlit by the government, sponsored by taxpayers, and then subsidized by taxpayers if the thing starts to go south or restrictions placed on other companies.

00:41:55.000 When they talk about worker co-ops, what they really mean is government-subsidized, sponsored, or mandated worker co-ops.

00:42:00.000 They do not mean through pure volunteerism.

00:42:02.000 Okay, one final group that Bernie has been calling upon is the People's Policy Project.

00:42:10.000 They talk extensively about various things that they want, including that the U.S.

00:42:14.000 should make a suite of reforms aimed at increasing leisure time.

00:42:18.000 They talk about a global Green New Deal, openly arguing the U.S. 0.87

00:42:21.000 should send hundreds of billions of dollars annually to the U.N.

00:42:24.000 Green Climate Fund.

00:42:24.000 Hundreds of billions of dollars annually to the U.N.

00:42:27.000 Green Climate Fund to help developing countries make clean energy transitions.

00:42:31.000 And that the policy of the United States would publicly fund early-stage green technologies and also would manage the government's equity stakes in all of these green technologies.

00:42:40.000 And they argue for a tax of 230 bucks per ton of carbon pollution.

00:42:46.000 Good luck with not destroying the economy of the United States with that, okay?

00:42:50.000 All of this is just the groups that Bernie is associated with.

00:42:52.000 Then you actually go to his website and you look at his actual agenda, and it's absolute lunacy.

00:42:57.000 I mean, absolute full-scale lunacy.

00:43:00.000 So take that Workplace Democracy Plan, right?

00:43:02.000 So he calls it a Workplace Democracy Plan.

00:43:04.000 His goal is to double union membership within his first term.

00:43:07.000 He's gonna mandate that companies have to deal with unions. 0.91

00:43:07.000 How's he gonna do that? 0.91

00:43:11.000 So you don't have a free market transaction anymore, right?

00:43:14.000 This is a violation of consent.

00:43:16.000 You are now mandating that a company deal with the union even if the company can hire people from outside the union in order to do work, which is a violation of basic free market principles and puts a bunch of people who are not in charge of the profitability of the company in charge of the company.

00:43:30.000 It would deny federal contracts to companies that pay quote-unquote poverty wages, outsource jobs overseas, engage in union busting, deny good benefits, and pay CEOs outrageous compensation packages.

00:43:38.000 In other words, federal contracts will only go to Friends of Bernie.

00:43:42.000 It will eliminate right-to-work-for-less laws, right?

00:43:44.000 So that's just right-to-work laws.

00:43:45.000 It would guarantee the right to unionize for workers historically excluded from labor protection.

00:43:50.000 So they want domestic workers to be crammed down as a unionized workforce.

00:43:54.000 So that means that if you hire a domestic worker, to take care of your ailing father, that you will have to deal with a union now in order to do that.

00:44:03.000 So he's pushing unionization forced down by the federal government.

00:44:07.000 He's pushing what he calls corporate accountability and democracy.

00:44:11.000 We will give workers an ownership stake in the companies they work for.

00:44:15.000 So he's talking about overtly seizing companies, or at least redistributing the ownership stake in companies, despite the fact that workers presumably signed up with the company with the understanding that they weren't getting stock in the company.

00:44:27.000 I mean, he is talking about completely reorganizing every facet of America's business life.

00:44:32.000 He says, while the corporate profits that presently go to a small number of ultra-wealthy families are at or near all-time high, wages as a percentage of our economy are at an all-time low.

00:44:41.000 And so he says, the establishment tells us there's no alternative.

00:44:44.000 The truth is we must develop new economic models to create jobs and increase wages and productivity across America.

00:44:51.000 He says, workers, basically companies should be forced to give ownership stakes in their companies and an equal say on corporate boards.

00:44:56.000 Okay, so let's say Daily Wire.

00:44:58.000 Again, I am a stock owner in Daily Wire.

00:44:59.000 I'm one of the co-founders of the Daily Wire.

00:45:01.000 Okay, now, Bernie comes along, he says, you have over 100 employees.

00:45:04.000 This means that 50% of your board has to be comprised of people you employ and you can't fire those people, presumably.

00:45:11.000 Do you think that anyone is going to invest in a new business?

00:45:14.000 Why would I do that?

00:45:14.000 Ever?

00:45:16.000 I'm handing over control of the business to people whose chief interest is in maximizing not the profitability, accountability, and competitiveness of the company, but in ensuring that the company spends most of its energy on the wage base.

00:45:31.000 Okay, that kills entrepreneurship.

00:45:33.000 Why would I invest in a company that I don't control?

00:45:36.000 Where if the workers decide to make a decision, Let's say that we have a choice.

00:45:39.000 The choice now is to invest a million dollars in a new innovative concept in which the workers may share or they may not share, or we can spend that million dollars on raises for everybody.

00:45:49.000 The workers very often are going to vote for the raises because they don't know they're going to be working at this company in five or ten years.

00:45:55.000 So why wouldn't they vote for the raises?

00:45:56.000 Okay, we don't have to speculate about this.

00:45:59.000 This is exactly what happened in Detroit in the 1950s and 60s when unions were largely running the major auto companies.

00:46:06.000 And then the minute that competition was available and the tariffs were lowered in the 1960s and 70s, the auto industry in the United States plummeted off a cliff.

00:46:14.000 When you place workers in opposition to capital, and then you suggest that the workers should control the capital, do you think anybody's ever going to invest in a company again in the United States?

00:46:21.000 This is not how investment works.

00:46:22.000 This is not how economics works.

00:46:24.000 It violates basic forms of consent.

00:46:25.000 Again, if workers want to get together and form their own company, they're perfectly free to do so.

00:46:28.000 It is a free country.

00:46:30.000 What Bernie is talking about is a complete reorganization crammed down by the federal government on nearly every business in America or at least on any business that is sufficiently successful to have a given number of employees.

00:46:40.000 And then there's Bernie's foreign policy.

00:46:42.000 Bernie's foreign policy is utter madness.

00:46:46.000 So he suggests that we are going to We are going to give over authority to the International Criminal Court so that we can have foreign countries judge American soldiers in war zones.

00:46:57.000 American soldiers will no longer be subject to American law.

00:46:59.000 They'll be subject to the vagaries of international law run from Brussels.

00:47:05.000 He wants us to, of course, rejoin the Iran nuclear agreement.

00:47:09.000 And his foreign policy, by the way, I will say his foreign policy page is incredibly short.

00:47:14.000 Because his foreign policy is basically, he just wants America's military to be incredibly weak.

00:47:14.000 Why?

00:47:20.000 That's all it says.

00:47:22.000 Then you have his plan with regard to churches.

00:47:25.000 Okay, so he has what he calls the LGBTQ part of this.

00:47:29.000 And he explicitly says he wants to strongly oppose any legislation that purports to protect religious liberty at the expense of others' rights.

00:47:36.000 So in other words, he wants your church to be able to be sued into the ground for not accepting same-sex marriages or transgender ideology.

00:47:43.000 That's what he would like.

00:47:44.000 This is on his website.

00:47:47.000 Bernie is a radical.

00:47:48.000 His full jobs plan.

00:47:49.000 We will enact a federal jobs guarantee Create 20 million jobs as part of the Green New Deal, which effectively means we're just going to pay people to dig holes and then fill them in again. 0.88

00:47:59.000 Barack Obama tried to do the same with so-called shovel-ready jobs.

00:48:01.000 Giant fail.

00:48:03.000 I mean, all of this is pie-in-the-sky nonsense that can only be accomplished, presumably, through massive debt and also through the seizure of the means of production.

00:48:13.000 It's the feature, not the bug.

00:48:14.000 He's not hiding the ball here.

00:48:15.000 If you think this isn't plenty for Donald Trump to attack, it is plenty for Donald Trump to attack.

00:48:19.000 Alrighty, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:48:23.000 So, things that I like today.

00:48:27.000 You know what?

00:48:27.000 I don't have any things I like.

00:48:28.000 Let's just do some things I hate.

00:48:34.000 Well, it is sort of fascinating when the mask comes off at universities and the push for racial tolerance, as it turns out, is merely just a push for racial quotas.

00:48:41.000 Good example of this happened yesterday.

00:48:43.000 Apparently, there is some public space at the University of Virginia, and a University of Virginia walked in and gave a public service announcement that in this public space, there were just too many white people, which is certainly one hell of a statement. 0.98

00:48:56.000 This is definitely accomplishing Martin Luther King's vision of a society in which we are judged by the quality of our character rather than the color of our skin.

00:49:03.000 It's people walking in and saying, too many white people in here.

00:49:05.000 This is working out beautifully for everybody.

00:49:08.000 Public service announcement!

00:49:11.000 Excuse me!

00:49:13.000 If y'all didn't know, this is the MSC, and frankly, there's just too many white people in here, and this is a space for people of color.

00:49:20.000 So just be really cognizant of the space that you're taking up, because it does make some of us POCs uncomfortable when we see too many white people in here.

00:49:28.000 It's only been open for four days, and frankly, there's the whole university for a lot of y'all to be at, and there's very few spaces for us.

00:49:35.000 So keep that in mind.

00:49:37.000 Thank you.

00:49:38.000 Okay, this is insane. 0.92

00:49:40.000 Multicultural Center, but only for not white people. 0.99

00:49:42.000 And if there are too many white people in here, get out. 1.00

00:49:45.000 Obviously, it goes without saying, reverse the races and this would be a national scandal.

00:49:49.000 But of course, we're all supposed to pretend that this sort of stuff doesn't happen and that racism is... One of the fascinating things is when people say things like, racism is not just racism, it's racism combined with power.

00:49:59.000 Therefore, because the structural hierarchies in the United States are such that white people are more powerful than black people, then that means that nobody who is of color can ever be a racist.

00:50:07.000 Okay, well, what about when it's the university and a representative of the university who is stepping into a position of power and explicitly saying white people out? 0.59

00:50:15.000 Like, wouldn't that be racism combined with power?

00:50:18.000 Or no?

00:50:19.000 Okay, meanwhile, speaking of people saying idiotic things on the basis of intersectional identity, Ayanna Pressley got up yesterday, and she suggested that women are not equal to men in the eyes of the government, which is very weird, considering that women constitute the majority of college attendees, the majority of college graduates, that they are in prison far less than men, that they are actually the majority of the workforce at this point. 0.96

00:50:40.000 But according to Ayanna Pressley, who is sitting in Congress, Apparently women are not equal to men in the eyes of the government, which again, I'm gonna need some evidence of this one. 0.97

00:50:48.000 The American Constitution is sexist by its very design.

00:50:52.000 This country's laws have historically treated us like second-class citizens, depriving us of the right to vote, enter most jobs, and to own property.

00:51:01.000 While some of these injustices may cease to exist, we still face tremendous barriers to our full participation in society.

00:51:09.000 With tomorrow's vote, we have an opportunity to right this country's wrong and to take a stand in the name of equality.

00:51:15.000 I like that she is now linking bars on female property ownership, which so far as I'm aware have not existed for well over a century and a half in the United States.

00:51:24.000 I'm really confused as to how she is linking that with anything that has to do with today.

00:51:28.000 But this is what, by the way, so much of leftist thought is this.

00:51:31.000 So much of leftist thought is, here's a bad thing that happened two years ago.

00:51:34.000 Fast forward! 0.79

00:51:35.000 It's the same today, except without that thing, but it's the same today.

00:51:38.000 This is every Ta-Nehisi Coates essay.

00:51:40.000 Every Ta-Nehisi Coates essay is very passionate writing about something that happened in 1823, and then just fast forward to today and he's like, and now the current day equivalent is X.

00:51:50.000 And it's super dishonest.

00:51:52.000 Really, if you think that women are put upon as a general matter in American society, I would suggest that you have blinders on.

00:51:59.000 Yes, of course, sexism exists in American society. 1.00

00:52:01.000 Yes, of course, racism exists in American society.

00:52:04.000 But if the generalized idea is that women are victims in American society today, No. 0.96

00:52:10.000 Just no.

00:52:10.000 I'm sorry.

00:52:11.000 That is not correct.

00:52:11.000 That's not correct.

00:52:12.000 And especially if you're claiming there are legal barriers to women in American society today, that is certainly not correct.

00:52:17.000 So this is obviously sheer and undiluted nonsense.

00:52:21.000 But unfortunately, it is the way the Democratic Party is run these days. 0.96

00:52:25.000 And it's really ugly.

00:52:26.000 And it's on the basis of these sort of Crafted resentment that you're able to pitch a Bernie Sanders agenda, right?

00:52:32.000 If you declare that America is unfixable, if you declare that America is in essence a land of victimization, then of course you can argue on a moral level for the uprooting of that system.

00:52:42.000 See, the thing that Bernie and a lot of the left have to contend with is the fact that America is incredibly free and prosperous, that most people in America are doing incredibly well, that even the poor in America are rich by global standards, not by American standards, by global standards.

00:52:54.000 They're middle class or rich by global standards.

00:52:56.000 The poor people who live in the United States.

00:52:59.000 And so the socialists have an uphill climb to explain why we ought to uproot a system that has created more prosperity for more human beings than any system in the history of humanity and more freedom for more human beings than any system in the history of humanity.

00:53:09.000 That's a heavy lift.

00:53:11.000 So instead, what you see from people like Ayanna Pressley, And presumably from this University of Virginia rep, too, is they will say, sure, all this stuff is pretty good, but it is morally unjustifiable because of all the suffering that went before.

00:53:22.000 Therefore, we have to uproot the system.

00:53:23.000 Everything that is good is the fruit of the poisonous tree.

00:53:26.000 If we cut down the tree and we uproot the roots, then sure, we're going to lose some of that good stuff, but we will have built a better moral foundation.

00:53:32.000 This is why, in the end, the Bernie Sanders pitch has very little to do with his policy, and it has much more to do with his ideals.

00:53:39.000 This is the reality of the situation.

00:53:41.000 I can talk all day long to Bernie Sanders supporters about the fact that his plans are utterly unsustainable, that they are going to tank the economy, that they are, in my view, immoral and violent of individual rights.

00:53:50.000 But according to people on the left, this is a question not of individual rights, it's a question of the morality of the system in place.

00:53:56.000 And this is the beauty of the counterfactual for people who are on the far left.

00:54:00.000 The beauty of the counterfactual is that you get to live off the riches of capitalism, off the riches of individual liberty, off the basis of Enlightenment thinking, and then you get to bitch about how things would be better if we had never done any of those things.

00:54:11.000 It really is beautiful.

00:54:12.000 I mean, I was at a college campus fairly recently, and somebody handed me a pamphlet that talked about, it quoted various people, including, I believe, Martin Luther King, talking about some of the wonders of socialism and all this stuff.

00:54:22.000 And they said, well, look at all these great people who had great things to say about socialism.

00:54:25.000 And I said, yeah, you notice what they all had in common?

00:54:28.000 None of them lived under it.

00:54:29.000 It really, it is very, very easy to talk about the wonders of socialism, particularly government ownership of the means of production.

00:54:37.000 And never have to live under it, and then suggest, well, if we did live under it, then the prospective fantasy is so much better than any reality that could possibly exist.

00:54:44.000 The dream of utopia is always better than the reality.

00:54:47.000 The thing is, the dream of utopia ain't gonna materialize.

00:54:50.000 So when you hear politicians tell you to dream big, to dream big, what you should say is, okay, and now let's verify.

00:54:58.000 Now let's verify, because your dreams, I keep going back to this hook quote, this hook scene, but that really is what it is.

00:55:04.000 If you just dream hard enough, you can will the dream to reality.

00:55:07.000 No, sometimes you cannot.

00:55:09.000 And sometimes the dream itself is immoral if what it mandates means that you wish not to specify.

00:55:16.000 The hiding of the ball when it comes to socialism, the attempt to basically suggest that it's just gonna be a higher tax system, that pitch that Bernie Sanders is making, it obscures the reality of true government ownership of the means of production, which does suggest compulsion.

00:55:29.000 It does suggest tyranny.

00:55:30.000 It does suggest violation of individual rights.

00:55:33.000 And the only basis that people can push for on that basis is to suggest that the regime of individual rights is inherently racist, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, and rooted in historic injustice, which is why the New York Times pushes the 1619 Project.

00:55:44.000 It's why the study of history is really, really important, and it's why the pitch that Ayanna Pressley and The New York Times make, and Bernie makes, is so rooted in sort of a Howard's Envision.

00:55:53.000 Because if you can discredit the roots of America, then you never have to deal with the fact that America has also generated more prosperity and freedom than any country in the history of humanity, and it ain't close.

00:56:01.000 Alrighty, we'll be back here later today with two additional hours of content.

00:56:04.000 Otherwise, we'll see you here tomorrow.

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00:56:38.000 AOC's boyfriend goes viral for castigating his fellow white people as hopelessly racist.

00:56:44.000 We will examine the dangers of toxic effeminacy.

00:56:47.000 Then squad member Ayanna Pressley whines on the floor of the house, Elizabeth Warren takes money from a broke student, and President Trump teaches us all a lesson when the media asks him what lessons he learned from impeachment.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - February 13, 2020

The Bernie Sanders Administration | Ep. 953

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