The Ben Shapiro Show - The Culture Wars | Ep. 385

00:00:00.000 The culture war has begun, have they?

00:00:02.000 We're going to talk about the Emmys. 0.96

00:00:03.000 We'll talk about whether CNN likes boobs. 0.97

00:00:06.000 Yeah, really. 0.92

00:00:07.000 And we'll also talk about President Trump golfing towards Hillary's back or something and then tweeting about it.

00:00:13.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:14.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show. 1.00

00:00:20.000 So all the things are stupid. 1.00

00:00:21.000 Welcome back, it's Monday. 1.00

00:00:23.000 Yeah! 0.99

00:00:23.000 Everything is very stupid this week. 0.99

00:00:25.000 We'll be talking about the Emmys in a little while. 0.97

00:00:28.000 But before we talk about the Emmys, first I want to talk about all the things political that are actually important or quasi-important for a couple of reasons.

00:00:35.000 One is because the Emmys are less important than what's actually going on.

00:00:39.000 I'm going to give you the entire narrative.

00:00:40.000 And then, also because if we show too many clips of the Emmys, then Facebook gets mad at us.

00:00:45.000 We'll be showing clips of the Emmys a little bit later in the show.

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00:02:21.000 Okay, so.

00:02:22.000 As I say, I could begin with the Emmys, but before I get to the Emmys, I really want to talk about why I think President Trump won.

00:02:29.000 Now what's really interesting is when you talk about why President Trump won, I know it's sort of an old topic, but there's a phrase that's used very frequently.

00:02:36.000 You'll see a piece of news and somebody will say, that's why Trump won.

00:02:40.000 And you'll see a piece of news and somebody will say, that's why Trump won.

00:02:42.000 You notice it's never a piece of news that actually has to do with politics.

00:02:46.000 It's never a news that has to do with politics per se.

00:02:48.000 It's always something that has to do with the culture.

00:02:50.000 It's always a kindergarten forces young kids to be confronted with transgenderism. 0.75

00:02:56.000 Or a baker is forced to cater a same-sex wedding.

00:02:59.000 It's always stuff like that.

00:03:00.000 This is why Trump won. 1.00

00:03:02.000 Or somebody gets mad at a right-winger for some stupid reason. 0.99

00:03:06.000 They decide to fire Brendan Eich at Mozilla Firefox, and you say, ah, that's why Trump won. 0.99

00:03:11.000 It's never about the issues.

00:03:12.000 The reason I say this, and the reason I think this is deeply important, is because it's very easy to get caught up in the idea that President Trump won because of a particular political viewpoint.

00:03:21.000 I don't think that's correct.

00:03:23.000 That's important because right now President Trump is obviously in the middle of a shift toward the middle.

00:03:27.000 He's obviously shifting his politics from what people would consider the normal hardline right, the kind of Ann Coulter populist right.

00:03:35.000 He's shifting from there to many democratic policies and there are a lot of pundits, people like Ann, who have been saying, well he's going to lose his support base, right?

00:03:42.000 This is the perspective of Steve Bannon as well, that he ran on all these populist issues and that's why he won.

00:03:47.000 I don't actually think that's why he won.

00:03:49.000 You know, Ross Douthat, during the election cycle, a guy who's sort of more mainstream traditional conservative than than Coulter or Bannon, he was saying the whole time that Trump won because he talked about issues nobody had talked about before.

00:04:00.000 Tariffs and trade and higher taxes and all this kind of stuff.

00:04:04.000 I really don't think that's what it was.

00:04:06.000 I think that a lot of the support for President Trump was attitudinal.

00:04:09.000 I think a lot of it was about attitude.

00:04:11.000 I think most of it was about culture.

00:04:13.000 And that's why the Emmys matter.

00:04:14.000 We'll get to the Emmys in a little while here.

00:04:16.000 But that's why the Emmys matter because if you watch the Emmys, the Emmys will drive more votes into President Trump's column than anything he does in terms of straight policy this year or next.

00:04:27.000 The culture war is what people are hit with in the face every day.

00:04:31.000 They're not hit with policy every day.

00:04:32.000 Most of the policies you live with are made at the local and state level.

00:04:35.000 They're not made at the federal level.

00:04:37.000 Your life probably did not change all that much when President Obama was president on a policy level.

00:04:43.000 It changed somewhat, right?

00:04:44.000 I mean, our tax rates went up and down.

00:04:45.000 If you were in a business, you had to deal with the Obamacare shtick.

00:04:48.000 But if you're just a normal employee of a company,

00:04:52.000 Your life probably did not change radically thanks to President Obama, or thanks to George W. Bush, or thanks to Bill Clinton, or thanks to Ronald Reagan.

00:05:00.000 The fact is, in our mass media era, what matters most is the culture war.

00:05:05.000 Everyone wants to focus in on the political war, what matters most is the culture war.

00:05:08.000 And I'll show you why this is.

00:05:13.000 President Trump's in the middle of a policy shift, and the shift is pretty thoroughgoing.

00:05:16.000 Tom Cotton, who's been an ally of the president, senator from Arkansas, he was ripping on President Trump's plans with regard to the DREAM Act over the weekend.

00:05:25.000 Now remember, President Trump campaigned on the idea that everyone has to go.

00:05:29.000 We have laws.

00:05:30.000 We're a country of laws.

00:05:31.000 Right?

00:05:31.000 This was his shtick.

00:05:33.000 This is what he said.

00:05:34.000 And now President Trump says we're going to re-enshrine President Obama's Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals.

00:05:38.000 We're going to legalize everybody between the ages of 16 and 31 by 2012 and who had arrived in the country before 2007 and doesn't have a criminal record.

00:05:46.000 We're going to legalize all those people.

00:05:47.000 We're going to make Congress do it.

00:05:49.000 And we're not going to stump for a wall.

00:05:51.000 And we're not really going to do much about our border problem.

00:05:54.000 But we're going to give the Democrats what they want.

00:05:56.000 So Tom Cotton was on Meet the Press with Chuck Todd and he was basically saying this is the worst amnesty ever.

00:06:01.000 It's the biggest amnesty ever.

00:06:02.000 It's going to be just terrible.

00:06:04.000 Give me a definition of amnesty because it's in the eye of the beholder.

00:06:08.000 It feels particularly when it comes to this debate on the right side of the spectrum here.

00:06:13.000 What is your definition of amnesty?

00:06:15.000 Well, amnesty is giving legal status to people who came here illegally.

00:06:18.000 But the core debate is not over what is... So you believe this is amnesty for DACA?

00:06:22.000 Well, if you pass the so-called DREAM Act, it'll be the single biggest amnesty in the history of the United States.

00:06:28.000 Even bigger than the 1986 amnesty, which Ronald Reagan said was his biggest mistake in office.

00:06:33.000 But the core debate here has never been about legal status for these 700,000 or so people.

00:06:38.000 It's been, how are we going to control the negative side effects of that?

00:06:41.000 Which is undercutting American jobs and wages.

00:06:44.000 My legislation, the RAISE Act, would do that.

00:06:46.000 And deterring more illegal immigration.

00:06:48.000 I mean, put yourself in the shoes of a parent in El Salvador right now.

00:06:51.000 Okay, so Tom Cotton is talking policy here.

00:06:53.000 How many votes do you think are actually mobilized by this kind of policy?

00:06:57.000 The answer is, I don't think that many.

00:06:58.000 I don't think that many.

00:07:00.000 This is why Trump feels so free to move.

00:07:02.000 Clinton did the same thing.

00:07:04.000 On the left, there was this idea that Bill Clinton was some great sort of leftist leader.

00:07:08.000 Bill Clinton cut deals with the Republican Congress on a regular basis.

00:07:11.000 They called it triangulation.

00:07:13.000 Triangulation just means that he was going to do popular stuff with the opposite party, and his own base didn't care because, again, Bill Clinton was a culture warrior, and all that matters is the culture war.

00:07:22.000 I can tell you that

00:07:40.000 He, I think the President realizes that the best policy comes from bipartisan discussions, and he wanted to host one and tell us that he's very interested in our input.

00:07:52.000 And so Joe Manchin and Joe Donnelly and myself were invited to sit down with John Thune from South Dakota, Orrin Hatch from Utah, Ron Johnson from Wisconsin, and Pat Toomey from

00:08:06.000 Pennsylvania and really spend a lot of time visiting about, you know, what our expectations were for tax reform, try and figure out where the sweet spot is.

00:08:16.000 But we also talked about infrastructure and being from New York.

00:08:19.000 I mean, there's a major shift to the left by President Trump.

00:08:21.000 Now, he was talking about this during the campaign that we're going to spend lots on infrastructure, but obviously this is not typical mainstream conservatism. 0.96

00:08:28.000 We complained when President Obama dumped a trillion dollars, or close to it, in his stupid stimulus package that didn't do anything for the economy. 0.97

00:08:35.000 Now Trump's doing the same thing. 0.99

00:08:36.000 Do you think it's going to lose him a lot of votes?

00:08:37.000 I don't.

00:08:38.000 How about the Paris Accords, right?

00:08:39.000 This is a big win for conservatives, the idea that Trump was going to pull out of the global warming-oriented Paris Accords.

00:08:45.000 This was in an accord that supposedly committed us to moving toward a zero net carbon emissions economy.

00:08:54.000 Rex Tillerson, the Secretary of State, now he's walking it back.

00:08:57.000 He's saying, well, Trump might actually stay in the Paris Accords now.

00:09:00.000 Again, the right was celebrating this.

00:09:01.000 Do you think that Trump's going to lose a lot of votes because of this?

00:09:05.000 But there's a chance that if things get worked out, both on the voluntary side from the U.S., the voluntary restrictions for the U.S., that it could change, but then also with China, there's a chance the U.S.

00:09:14.000 could stay in the accord.

00:09:15.000 Is that right?

00:09:15.000 I think under the right conditions.

00:09:17.000 The president said he's open to finding those conditions where we can remain engaged with others on what we all agree is still a challenging issue.

00:09:25.000 Okay, so again, another issue where President Trump is obviously moving to the left.

00:09:29.000 Is it going to lose him a lot of votes?

00:09:31.000 Here's why I don't think it's going to lose him a lot of votes.

00:09:33.000 I don't think that it's going to lose him a lot of votes, because the truth is, most people didn't vote for Trump thinking he was an ideologue.

00:09:39.000 It's amazing.

00:09:39.000 Democrats are finally now becoming to come around on this.

00:09:42.000 They're finally beginning to figure this out.

00:09:43.000 Adam Schiff, Democrat from California, he says just this, that Trump's only ideology is being pro-Trump.

00:09:48.000 Yeah, there were some of us who were saying this during the entire campaign.

00:09:51.000 Democrats, though, were saying that Trump was Hitler, right?

00:09:54.000 Trump was Hitlerian.

00:09:55.000 It's that culture war that matters, not the policy war.

00:09:58.000 Because what Schiff says here is basically right.

00:09:59.000 Trump does not have an ideology.

00:10:01.000 He's just going to do whatever he thinks is good for himself.

00:10:04.000 Well, it doesn't make me question that because I think all of us recognize that outreach for what it is, and that's purely transactional, purely something that will come up from time to time when the president decides it's in his personal interest to work with Democrats.

00:10:19.000 This is a president, look, who has no ideology.

00:10:22.000 He's not conservative.

00:10:23.000 He's not liberal.

00:10:24.000 The only consistent theme seems to be he's pro-Trump.

00:10:27.000 He's for his own personal interests.

00:10:29.000 Okay, all of that's true.

00:10:30.000 All of what he said there is true, but that doesn't actually make much of a difference because, again,

00:10:34.000 The idea here is that in the culture war, you are pro-Trump or anti-Trump.

00:10:38.000 Again, there's the political side, where Trump is all over the place.

00:10:41.000 But nobody actually pays attention to that.

00:10:43.000 What people pay attention to is the narrative.

00:10:45.000 The media narrative.

00:10:46.000 The cultural narrative.

00:10:47.000 This is something Andrew Breitbart, one of my mentors, was very big on.

00:10:50.000 This idea that the culture was upstream of politics.

00:10:53.000 That what we imbibe from the culture around us is much more important than the politics of a given situation.

00:10:59.000 And this is particularly true of Trump.

00:11:01.000 Again, Trump is currently governing like a moderate Democrat.

00:11:04.000 Okay, what he's done over the last couple of weeks has been stuff that is straight from the Democrat playbook.

00:11:08.000 It is not from the conservative playbook.

00:11:10.000 But, in a cultural way, Trump is offensive to the left, and the left is offensive to the Trump people, and therefore, there is a war going on, even though he's now currently governing with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

00:11:21.000 Pretty amazing stuff, and I'm going to get to that culture war in just a second, and why I think that President Trump, this is one area where I think Trump is quite astute.

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00:12:32.000 I don't know.

00:12:58.000 I don't know.

00:13:25.000 Why doesn't any of this matter?

00:13:26.000 Why doesn't it matter that all of the issues that Trump ran on and that conservatives celebrate, he seems to be moving away from.

00:13:32.000 Now he's moving away from his hard stance on immigration and Ann Coulter's going nuts.

00:13:36.000 He's moving away from his hard stance on the Paris Accords. 0.77

00:13:38.000 And some people on the right are saying, dude, what the hell?

00:13:42.000 He's now moving toward infrastructure, which was a populist Steve Bannon talking point for a long time.

00:13:47.000 Why doesn't any of that seem to matter?

00:13:50.000 Why is it that his shift on ideology doesn't seem to matter?

00:13:54.000 Even Democrats are recognizing that he doesn't have ideology anymore.

00:13:56.000 Why doesn't any of that seem to matter?

00:13:57.000 And the answer is because of the culture wars.

00:14:00.000 The culture wars are all that matter.

00:14:01.000 They're all that matter.

00:14:02.000 Here is why President Trump is going to continue to maintain his base.

00:14:05.000 Okay?

00:14:05.000 He tweeted this out yesterday.

00:14:07.000 This is a gif or a jif.

00:14:10.000 I've still not decided how I wish to pronounce that word.

00:14:13.000 Here he is.

00:14:14.000 Okay?

00:14:15.000 And it's a jif of him hitting a golf ball

00:14:19.000 I don't

00:14:39.000 Less funny?

00:14:40.000 It's still a little funny, but the part that's not so funny about it is that the President of the United States is the one who's actually retweeting it.

00:14:47.000 It really is not particularly appropriate for the President of the United States to retweet things about him physically assaulting a fellow presidential candidate, let alone a female presidential candidate, because again, the left is just going to cry sexism.

00:15:00.000 But his base loves this, okay?

00:15:02.000 So long as Trump is willing to be quote-unquote politically incorrect and tweet this stuff, then he's gonna love it and the left's gonna hate it.

00:15:08.000 So he's using the culture war in order to avoid the political war, okay?

00:15:11.000 In other words, this is WWE.

00:15:13.000 In WWE, I can't say I'm a WWE connoisseur, but I know this much.

00:15:17.000 You have the stock villains, and you have the stock heroes, and they fight each other, and sometimes they switch places, and the villain becomes the hero, and the hero becomes the villain, but everybody is playing a particular kind of role.

00:15:27.000 And in the end, they go out back and they drink with one another.

00:15:29.000 It's not they actually hate each other.

00:15:31.000 It's all acted.

00:15:32.000 President Trump doesn't hate Hillary Clinton.

00:15:34.000 She was at his wedding.

00:15:35.000 President Trump doesn't hate the left.

00:15:37.000 He's making deals with them right now.

00:15:38.000 But as part of the culture war, he does.

00:15:40.000 Culturally, he doesn't like them.

00:15:42.000 And that's the part the American people see.

00:15:44.000 The American people see the culture.

00:15:47.000 They see that President Trump dislikes the left on a cultural level.

00:15:50.000 He's willing to retweet stuff like this that shows malice with regard to Hillary Clinton, and they like that.

00:15:56.000 It doesn't matter that he's cutting deals with all of her friends.

00:15:58.000 Chuck Schumer's good friends with Hillary Clinton.

00:15:59.000 Nancy Pelosi is good friends with Hillary Clinton.

00:16:01.000 None of that matters because, again, it's cultural.

00:16:03.000 Tucker Carlson, I think, gets this exactly right with regard to Trump, and it's why Trump has his finger on a pulse a lot of us don't follow.

00:16:09.000 You know, a lot of us are very interested in data, and so we like polls.

00:16:12.000 And polls are great!

00:16:13.000 I mean, data is better than no data.

00:16:15.000 That being said, Tucker Carlson is right, and I think Trump is right when he says that Trump grants a lot more credibility to watching TV than he does to polls, and I think that there is some... I think there is something to that.

00:16:26.000 I think there's something smart about that.

00:16:28.000 Here's Tucker Carlson explaining.

00:16:30.000 But I think more broadly, he believes that television is a pretty clear window into what people care about.

00:16:40.000 He believes that television producers, especially of highly rated shows, understand what the public is interested in.

00:16:46.000 What it fears, what it wants, what it loves.

00:16:49.000 And so the TV programming is in some ways a more accurate reflection of the public mood than polling.

00:16:54.000 That's his view.

00:16:55.000 He said it to me.

00:16:56.000 And, um, that's one of the reasons he watches a lot of television.

00:17:00.000 You know, whether that's true or not is an entirely debatable point.

00:17:03.000 Okay, but I think that's actually, I think it is sort of true.

00:17:05.000 Right?

00:17:05.000 I think it is sort of true.

00:17:06.000 I think that if you're looking, I think it's actually very smart and very astute for President Trump.

00:17:09.000 Now, it may just be that he likes watching TV, but it's also true that what we watch on TV may be more indicative of what we truly feel than what we tell pollsters.

00:17:19.000 It's a different process.

00:17:20.000 When you watch TV, that's sort of instinctual, right?

00:17:23.000 You get up in the morning, or you're going to sleep at night, you flip on the TV, you put on what you enjoy, you don't feel judged, and then you watch what you watch, and they're measuring the ratings.

00:17:31.000 That's not the same thing as when a poster calls you and says, what do you think of X?

00:17:34.000 Now you have to go through a conscious process.

00:17:37.000 Daniel Kahneman talks about this in sort of a different context, the idea that you have almost two systems in your brain.

00:17:42.000 You have System 1, which is the fast-moving, instinctive system, and then you have System 2, which is the rational system that sort of overrides the instinctive system when you kick it in.

00:17:52.000 And we tend to mistake things that we're doing in System 1 for things that we're doing in System 2.

00:17:55.000 So, TV is done through System 1.

00:17:58.000 You want to watch something?

00:17:59.000 You flip on the TV, you watch whatever feels good and makes you feel good in your tummy.

00:18:02.000 And then there's System 2, which is what you tell pollsters.

00:18:05.000 Somebody asks you a question, you consider, you create a rationale, you create a worldview, and then you answer the question.

00:18:11.000 What is more accurate?

00:18:12.000 And when you go to vote, are you voting with System 1 or System 2?

00:18:16.000 I think you're voting with System 1, and I think you're justifying it with System 2, at least the vast majority of voters.

00:18:20.000 I think the vast majority of voters have a gut feeling about a particular candidate, and they decide how they're going to support that candidate, and then they make up an excuse later.

00:18:28.000 I think a lot of people who were instinctively put off of President Trump on the left, it wasn't that they hated his policies because he was closer to their policies than any Republican candidate of my lifetime.

00:18:38.000 No, it was that he himself made them feel yucky, and so they found a rationale for not voting for him.

00:18:44.000 And I think the same is true on the right with Hillary Clinton.

00:18:46.000 They didn't like Hillary Clinton. 0.98

00:18:47.000 They had an instinctive dislike of her.

00:18:49.000 Some of it was political.

00:18:50.000 A lot of it was personal.

00:18:51.000 And therefore they came up with a rationale.

00:18:53.000 Now the danger of that is that politics is not actually done in the System 1 way.

00:18:59.000 Politics is not instinctive.

00:19:01.000 Politics is where we try to create policy.

00:19:04.000 And policy has to be done with System 2.

00:19:06.000 It has to be well thought out.

00:19:07.000 So what happens when you have a population that's voting based on System 1, this instinctive, quick, make-the-move system in your brain,

00:19:14.000 But the policy that we need is based on System 2.

00:19:17.000 What if we're electing people because we instinctively like them or dislike them, but what we actually need to be doing is engaging System 2, thinking about the policy.

00:19:24.000 In other words, we should be thinking more about the DREAM Act and infrastructure and the Paris Accords than we are about Trump hitting a golf ball and hitting Hillary Clinton in the back and retweeting it.

00:19:33.000 But that's not how we work.

00:19:35.000 That's not how we work.

00:19:37.000 And that's a problem.

00:19:38.000 And it also goes to why culture matters so much.

00:19:40.000 People say things like, well, if you don't like the Emmys, why do you even care what the Emmys have to say?

00:19:45.000 The reason people care what the Emmys have to say is because the Emmys are cultural.

00:19:48.000 Because when you turn into the Emmys, when you tune into that channel,

00:19:54.000 What you are doing is you are turning off your political brain in an instinctive way.

00:19:57.000 And then you're either going to react badly to it or react well to it.

00:20:01.000 It's very polarizing in a way that policy generally isn't.

00:20:05.000 I mean, it really is quite fascinating.

00:20:06.000 When I talk policy with folks on the left, I disagree with them radically on policy.

00:20:10.000 But when we are both engaged in a conversation about policy, the passion level is much lower.

00:20:16.000 Even if we really disagree.

00:20:17.000 Why?

00:20:18.000 Because we're not engaged in the emotional part of our brain.

00:20:20.000 Right?

00:20:21.000 It's not your amygdala that's firing.

00:20:23.000 It's your prefrontal cortex, right?

00:20:24.000 You're actually using the rational part of your brain.

00:20:27.000 But when it comes to who you vote for, people get super passionate.

00:20:30.000 Like, it's so funny, I can talk with a Democrat all day long about what is the best healthcare policy.

00:20:35.000 And I can make the case that the best healthcare policy is one that is based on the notion that healthcare is a good, not a right.

00:20:42.000 And I can explain that.

00:20:43.000 And they can explain it right back to me. 0.99

00:20:44.000 But, if I say, listen, Obamacare sucks. 0.98

00:20:49.000 Their immediate response is not, okay, let's talk about why Obamacare sucks, or whether it's good. 1.00

00:20:53.000 The immediate response is, you racist jackass. 1.00

00:20:55.000 Why? 1.00

00:20:56.000 Because system one has kicked in.

00:20:57.000 Because culture has kicked in.

00:20:59.000 It's why, if you look at the polls.

00:21:00.000 Fascinating.

00:21:01.000 If you look at the polls, Obamacare is significantly less popular than the American Affordable Care Act, or whatever they called it.

00:21:09.000 The ACA, the Affordable Care Act.

00:21:11.000 The Affordable Care Act always pulled higher than Obamacare.

00:21:13.000 Always.

00:21:14.000 And it's the exact same thing.

00:21:15.000 Why?

00:21:15.000 Because System 1 is in tune when you say Obamacare, and System 2 is in tune when you say Affordable Care Act.

00:21:22.000 It removes it from the instinctive system.

00:21:25.000 A little bit.

00:21:26.000 And then, once you get even less instinctive, then people look at the policy and they hate it again.

00:21:31.000 Really kind of interesting stuff.

00:21:32.000 That's why we in the media tend to focus around flashpoints.

00:21:36.000 If you look at the flashpoints in American politics, they very rarely have to do with policy and they usually have to do with something sexy in the news.

00:21:43.000 So, for example, here's a sexy thing in the news right now.

00:21:46.000 There are riots in St.

00:21:47.000 Louis.

00:21:47.000 So if you haven't been watching,

00:21:49.000 There are all these protests in St.

00:21:50.000 Louis regarding this guy named Jason Stockley.

00:21:56.000 Jason Stockley was a police officer who shot a guy named Anthony Lamar Smith in 2011.

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00:23:21.000 There were basically riots in St.

00:23:23.000 Louis last night.

00:23:24.000 A bunch of properties broken into, burned down.

00:23:26.000 I think it was 80 people arrested.

00:23:28.000 A cop was hit in the head with a brick.

00:23:30.000 Pretty brutal.

00:23:31.000 The media have focused on the peaceful nature of some of the protests, but it's gotten so bad that U2 and I believe Ed Sheeran were both supposed to do concerts in St.

00:23:38.000 Louis.

00:23:39.000 They had to cancel them because the police couldn't defend the concerts.

00:23:42.000 This is a lot like what we were sort of expecting to happen in Berkeley and the police showed up and shut it down.

00:23:46.000 In St.

00:23:47.000 Louis they haven't been able to shut it down and so you've seen tremendous property destruction.

00:23:50.000 Why?

00:23:51.000 Because of the story about this police officer named Jason Stockley.

00:23:54.000 So in 2011 he killed a guy named Anthony Lamar Smith.

00:23:56.000 I will give you one guess as to the races of the people involved and why it's a national issue.

00:24:01.000 Yes, you got it.

00:24:02.000 That's right.

00:24:02.000 Jason Stockley, the cop, is white.

00:24:04.000 Anthony Lamar Smith is black.

00:24:06.000 And so basically, the case is this.

00:24:10.000 Anthony Lamar Smith was in the middle of a drug deal, and the police were staking him out.

00:24:15.000 He ran from the police after ramming them with his vehicle.

00:24:17.000 And then, he finally crashed into an SUV.

00:24:21.000 Jason Stockley popped out of the car, he ran over to the car, he took out his gun, there's about a 15 second gap, and then Jason Stockley shot Anthony Lamar Smith.

00:24:30.000 He claimed that Lamar Smith was going for his gun, and that he had warned him not to, and that he shot him at basically point-blank range.

00:24:37.000 People in the prosecution, this guy was prosecuted, this cop, suggested that Jason Stockley had gone in with the intent to murder Anthony Lamar Smith and killed him and then planted a gun on him.

00:24:46.000 So here is some of the tape.

00:24:47.000 You can judge for yourself what you think happened here.

00:24:50.000 Here is some of the tape as to what happened.

00:24:54.000 We're good to go!

00:25:14.000 Privately an owner of so it's not as though the cops issue that so here you see it from a different angle Anthony Anthony Lamar Smith panics he backs into the cop car in an attempt to get out of there And and drives away, so he basically comes very close to hitting this police officer the police officers hop back in their car and

00:25:32.000 The police car dash camera video isn't the best quality, but look closely.

00:25:36.000 It starts at the Church's Chicken at Riverview and Thecla.

00:25:38.000 You can see the time stamp, December 20, 2011, a rainy day.

00:25:42.000 The officers had stopped a car in a suspected drug deal.

00:25:45.000 Here, you can see officer Jason Stockley exit the police cruiser.

00:25:49.000 In his hand, his own personal weapon, an AK-47, a violation of department policy.

00:25:55.000 He raises his hand to a car coming towards him, then points the AK at the car.

00:26:00.000 As the car drives away, Stockley then pulls his department-issued weapon and fires it.

00:26:05.000 Then he runs back to the police cruiser.

00:26:08.000 And he and the officer driving the cop car take chase at high rates of speed.

00:26:14.000 At one point, they crash into a tree but continue to pursue the white car.

00:26:18.000 A camera inside the squad car also capturing that jarring moment.

00:26:22.000 You can hear the officers yelling.

00:26:24.000 Prosecutors say at one point, Stockley says, quote, going to kill this expletive.

00:26:30.000 Several minutes later, the cruiser catches up with the white car and rams the cruiser into it.

00:26:36.000 Again, the moment of impact seen from inside.

00:26:40.000 Back on the dash cam, Stockley and his partner are seen rushing up to the car.

00:26:44.000 Moments later is when prosecutors say Stockley on the right.

00:26:48.000 Okay, so then, what happens is that you see him go back into his car, dig through his backpack, and then it's unclear what happens.

00:26:54.000 So...

00:27:06.000 Was this a murder, or was this not a murder?

00:27:08.000 So they waived the right to jury trial, and instead they went directly to a judge, which you can do, I guess, in the state of Missouri.

00:27:14.000 And the judge ruled that he was not guilty.

00:27:17.000 That doesn't mean that he was not guilty in the technical sense, in the full-on guilt and innocence sense.

00:27:22.000 It means that he's not guilty according to the letter of the law, because you have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:27:26.000 So, there are a couple of things that I think are worth noting.

00:27:29.000 One, Anthony Lamar Smith was involved in a drug deal, tried to use his car to ram police officers, ran away from the police officers at a high rate of speed, endangering people.

00:27:36.000 And then, according to the other officers there, you can hear on the tape, one of the other officers shouts, gun.

00:27:42.000 You can hear him shout, gun.

00:27:44.000 And then the officer, Jason Stockley, shoots Anthony Lamar Smith.

00:27:48.000 As far as the idea that he planted a gun in the car and that there was no actual gun in the car, when I looked at the tape, I didn't see a situation in which Stockley actually had the opportunity to plant a gun without other cops around.

00:27:58.000 So that means all the other cops would have had to be in on it.

00:28:00.000 The prosecution never bothered to call the other cops to testify that he had planted a gun, which suggests either that everyone missed it or that Stockley didn't do it.

00:28:09.000 So here is what the judge ruled, okay?

00:28:10.000 The judge ruled

00:28:12.000 that the that he it had not been proven that he planted the gun prosecutors argued that the presence of stockley's dna on the gun proved that the gun must have been planted by the officer the defense countered that stockley heard his partner yell gun and saw the driver's hand on a gun as this car sped by him stockley testified he does not draw his service revolver and fire until he saw smith reaching around inside the vehicle after it was stopped he said smith changed his demeanor suggesting

00:28:36.000 So these are the two varying cases.

00:28:37.000 So the judge said it's a fact issue that's central whether Smith had the gun when he was shot.

00:28:54.000 He said the state's contention the officer planted the gun was not supported by the evidence.

00:28:57.000 Why?

00:28:57.000 Because a full-sized revolver was too large for the officer to hide in his pants pocket and he was not wearing a jacket and if the gun had been tucked into his belt it would have been visible on a bystander's video.

00:29:06.000 This is what the judge ruled.

00:29:08.000 How about the outburst saying that he was going to kill this guy?

00:29:11.000 So the prosecutor said that this was clear intent.

00:29:14.000 The judge said lots of things happen when you're in the middle of a high-speed chase.

00:29:17.000 He was saying stuff.

00:29:18.000 Okay, bottom line is, this is a pretty controversial ruling, but is it clear that this cop murdered the guy?

00:29:24.000 I don't think it's absolutely clear the cop murdered the guy.

00:29:27.000 I don't think that it's absolutely clear in any way.

00:29:30.000 Again, the legal standard is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:29:32.000 Now the reason that this is important

00:29:36.000 Is because what you see, once again, is this is a cultural issue, not a policy issue.

00:29:40.000 On policy, we all agree.

00:29:42.000 Supposedly, right?

00:29:42.000 Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:29:45.000 And we all agree that cops should not shoot innocent people.

00:29:46.000 So on a policy level, we all agree with this.

00:29:48.000 And we agree that if there is evidence that this is a racist shooting, the guy should go to jail.

00:29:52.000 Everyone was appalled when there was that case in South Carolina where Walter Scott, a black guy, was shot in the back by a cop and you can see the cop planting a gun next to Walter Scott.

00:30:00.000 I believe that he was convicted later.

00:30:03.000 But in any case, there was a hung jury.

00:30:04.000 In any case, everyone was appalled if he was not convicted.

00:30:07.000 But this is a major public policy issue nonetheless, even though it has nothing to do with policy.

00:30:12.000 Why?

00:30:13.000 Because it's cultural.

00:30:14.000 Because it's cultural.

00:30:15.000 Meaning, people react by saying, this is indicative of a system that's racist, or they react by saying, this is indicative of a bunch of people who are always going to say that the system is racist, even without evidence that the system is racist.

00:30:25.000 These cultural issues shift more votes than anything that President Trump does on policy.

00:30:31.000 Policy does not shift votes in the same way that culture does, and that is because of the mass media.

00:30:35.000 So that's why the Emmys matter.

00:30:37.000 That's why the Emmys matter.

00:30:38.000 So finally, at long last, I want to get to the Emmys.

00:30:40.000 The Emmys did not get great ratings last night.

00:30:42.000 They did not get terrific ratings because they're not very good.

00:30:45.000 Nobody watches these award shows anymore.

00:30:46.000 And they still get huge ratings against other TV.

00:30:51.000 But this was a very, very low-rated Emmys.

00:30:54.000 Part of that is because people are alienated by culture being used to foment politics.

00:30:59.000 Part of it is because all the TV shows that are now being rewarded are TV shows that a lot of people have never seen.

00:31:05.000 Nobody watched The Handmaid's Tale.

00:31:06.000 I mean, in terms of relative numbers, nobody watched The Handmaid's Tale.

00:31:09.000 The shows that were up for awards were Westworld, basically, Handmaid's Tale, and Stranger Things.

00:31:19.000 Those were the three that were up for a lot of awards last night.

00:31:21.000 Handmaid's Tale basically swept.

00:31:23.000 And it swept because of politics.

00:31:24.000 So people were not going to tune in to watch a bad book become a bad TV series and then get awarded a lot.

00:31:29.000 So the politics made a difference.

00:31:31.000 This is the thing that Hollywood really doesn't understand.

00:31:33.000 If they were a little bit less overt in their politics, they'd actually be much more effective in shifting the cultural debate.

00:31:38.000 But it's the culture war that truly matters.

00:31:40.000 People like Trump because they hate the Emmys.

00:31:42.000 People like Trump because they hate Stephen Colbert.

00:31:44.000 People like Trump because they hate what they saw last night with a bunch of rich

00:31:49.000 Puffed up, arrogant elitists who suggest they know best for the rest of America while living in their palatial estates off of Sunset Boulevard and avoiding their taxes by banking offshore.

00:31:58.000 That's what people see when they watch the Emmys.

00:32:00.000 That culture war matters a lot more than where Trump is on the Paris Agreements.

00:32:03.000 So long as Trump continues to show scorn for Hollywood, so long as he shows scorn for leftist cultural institutions, he's going to get away with whatever policy he wants to get away with.

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00:33:05.000 Okay, so...

00:33:12.000 Now on to the Emmys.

00:33:13.000 So, Stephen Colbert opens up the Emmys.

00:33:17.000 And he opens with this musical number.

00:33:18.000 This is everything.

00:33:20.000 This is everything that Americans like about Trump because they hate this.

00:33:23.000 They hate this from Hollywood.

00:33:25.000 They're sick of being lectured.

00:33:26.000 They're sick of being told that they're wrong.

00:33:27.000 They're sick of being told that they're rubes. 1.00

00:33:29.000 They're sick of being told that there's no such thing as gender. 0.54

00:33:31.000 They're sick of being told that gender is a construct in the mind. 0.99

00:33:34.000 They're sick of being told that America is a backwards place for women and black people. 1.00

00:33:37.000 They're sick of being lectured. 0.97

00:33:39.000 That's what Hollywood does. 1.00

00:33:40.000 And when Trump doesn't do that, Trump wins.

00:33:42.000 Doesn't matter about the Paris Climate Accords, because who cares?

00:33:45.000 What does matter is that he hates Stephen Colbert.

00:33:47.000 So here's the beginning opening musical number.

00:33:50.000 Dear friends, the next time the world's problems make you feel the blues, turn on any channel.

00:33:58.000 Well, except the news, because troubles aren't so troubling when you see them in HD.

00:34:03.000 The world's a little better on TV.

00:34:12.000 When the world's so scary you close your door and hide

00:34:43.000 So, you know, again, the whole thing is a rip on the news, right?

00:34:49.000 So the news is terrible.

00:34:51.000 What about people who think the news isn't that terrible?

00:35:05.000 I mean like there's like half the country that thinks that the news isn't like it's not the stock market's up right I mean like people are getting their jobs back this idea that everything is garbage and that we're all going to die I just I there's not a lot of evidence of that and then we finally get to the end of this and I don't know if we can fast forward to the the graphic where we have the handmaid's tale at the very end of this little musical number there's a there's he brings out a bunch of people to dance for the handmaid's tale and it's a bunch of people in basically spandex lingerie outfits

00:35:35.000 Including a bunch of dudes, right?

00:35:37.000 Because transgenderism, yay! 1.00

00:35:39.000 So, if you're watching this at home, and you're annoyed by this, and every five seconds there's a Trump joke, you're like, okay, well, listen, if I have to choose between Hollywood and Trump, I'll choose Trump.

00:35:49.000 The cultural issues matter.

00:35:51.000 And Hollywood needs to understand this, because if they were smart, what they would do is shut up.

00:35:55.000 If Hollywood were smart, they would shut up.

00:35:58.000 They really would.

00:35:58.000 They would go back to making entertaining things without a lot of the political messaging.

00:36:02.000 The reason being, they are providing Trump the wall to bounce up against.

00:36:05.000 Trump is rubber.

00:36:06.000 He's a rubber ball.

00:36:07.000 He just bounces up against things.

00:36:09.000 And if he bounces up against Hollywood, the rest of the American people will bounce right with him.

00:36:12.000 They don't like Hollywood.

00:36:14.000 We like to watch it.

00:36:15.000 That doesn't mean we like you. 1.00

00:36:17.000 We like to watch Floyd Mayweather box too, but he's a jerk. 0.99

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00:36:21.000 And if we're forced to choose between Floyd Mayweather and anyone else, we'll choose anyone else.

00:36:27.000 And if we're forced to choose between the Hollywood morality and anyone else, we'll choose anyone else.

00:36:33.000 And then, let's say Hollywood shut up for a second.

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00:36:40.000 If Hollywood actually shut up about it, Trump wouldn't have anything to moan about.

00:36:44.000 We'd actually have to focus in on his policy, and then we could get to some good discussions.

00:36:47.000 Hopefully we could move him to the right.

00:36:49.000 Hopefully we'd start to care about policy again.

00:36:51.000 As a conservative, I want to care about policy, not about the Emmys.

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00:38:11.000 Alrighty, so the opening musical number wasn't even the bad part, right?

00:38:14.000 That was pretty mild stuff. 0.98

00:38:15.000 Then we got to Colbert's opening monologue, and his opening monologue really was pathetic. 0.93

00:38:20.000 Of course, there's no way anyone could possibly watch that much TV other than the president, who seems to have a lot of time for that sort of thing. 0.56

00:38:28.000 Hello sir, thank you for joining us.

00:38:31.000 Looking forward to the tweets.

00:38:33.000 Okay, so he made a bunch of Trump jokes all throughout the evening.

00:38:36.000 It never stopped at any point.

00:38:39.000 And then they brought out at one point Sean Spicer to mock Trump and to mock himself.

00:38:43.000 So Spicer was of course played by Melissa McCarthy, who won an Emmy last night for playing Spicer.

00:38:49.000 Alec Baldwin won an Emmy for playing Trump.

00:38:52.000 Kate McKinnon won an Emmy for playing Hillary.

00:38:53.000 So basically everyone won an Emmy for playing the part of political people, which just demonstrates the merger between politics and entertainment.

00:39:01.000 That we only care about the... if we have to choose between Alec Baldwin and Donald Trump.

00:39:05.000 Donald Trump wins that battle every time.

00:39:07.000 In any case, in the middle of this, Sean Spicer is brought out to make a joke about himself and the left loses their minds over this.

00:39:14.000 Sean, do you know... This will be the largest audience

00:39:28.000 To witness an Emmys, period!

00:39:32.000 Both in person and around the world.

00:39:34.000 Okay, so again, what's funny about this, listen, I think it's funny that he did this.

00:39:39.000 I think that it's funny that Sean Spicer participated.

00:39:42.000 Although, I've objected in the past to all of these politicians participating.

00:39:45.000 If we're gonna do it, this is funnier than Obama just showing up on random shows, or Biden showing up on random shows, because he is the butt of the joke.

00:39:53.000 The left went nuts over this.

00:39:54.000 They went crazy.

00:39:55.000 Again, culture wars matter more than politics.

00:39:58.000 The culture war matters.

00:40:00.000 Sean Spicer comes out, makes a joke about himself.

00:40:01.000 He's mocking himself here, right?

00:40:03.000 He's mocking his whole Trump had the biggest audience in history shtick from the inauguration.

00:40:07.000 And what's the upshot?

00:40:09.000 Melissa McCarthy says she was insulted that he stole her joke.

00:40:12.000 Really?

00:40:13.000 People on the left were insulted that Sean Spicer had been normalized.

00:40:17.000 These are the same people who say that Chelsea Manning is a hero.

00:40:20.000 These are the same people who say that Chelsea Manning... Vice ran a headline today that said Chelsea Manning is the purest soul on the internet. 0.97

00:40:26.000 What in the hell?

00:40:27.000 But these are the people who say Sean Spicer must never be normalized. 0.97

00:40:30.000 Ben Rhodes, who's National Security Advisor under President Obama, and who blatantly lied about the Iran deal to the American people for years.

00:40:37.000 He said, how could we normalize Sean Spicer?

00:40:40.000 Again, culture wars, culture wars.

00:40:41.000 And then it gets worse.

00:40:42.000 Jane Fonda, right?

00:40:44.000 The lady who sat on a Viet Cong gun, pointed, a North Vietnamese Army gun, pointed at American soldiers. 0.95

00:40:50.000 And Lily Tomlin, they show up to mock President Trump into a nine to five routine. 1.00

00:40:56.000 Yeah, well, back in 1980 in that movie, we refused to be controlled by a sexist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot. 1.00

00:41:10.000 And in 2017, we still refuse to be controlled by a sexist, egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot. 1.00

00:41:20.000 Oh, so much courage. 1.00

00:41:21.000 So much courage.

00:41:23.000 Wow, you refuse to be- Well, frankly, he doesn't care about you.

00:41:26.000 When is he trying to control you?

00:41:27.000 What did he do?

00:41:28.000 Again, this is what Hollywood doesn't understand.

00:41:31.000 Their culture war makes this into a culture war, not a political war.

00:41:34.000 And then Kate McKinnon gets up, and she's the one who played Hillary Clinton on SNL.

00:41:39.000 And you'll recall that she actually sang hallelujah after Hillary Clinton lost.

00:41:43.000 Like a weepy hallelujah tribute to Hillary Clinton.

00:41:45.000 Because it's so clear she wanted Hillary to win. 1.00

00:41:47.000 And she gets up and she thanks Hillary Clinton.

00:41:50.000 I don't remember Chevy Chase thanking Gerald Ford for playing Gerald Ford.

00:41:53.000 Here's Kate McKinnon.

00:41:55.000 Thank you to Fern and Suze, my L.A.

00:41:56.000 moms.

00:41:57.000 Thank you, Jack.

00:41:57.000 I love you.

00:41:58.000 Um, what else?

00:42:00.000 Thank you.

00:42:01.000 I want to, on a very personal note, I want to say thank you to Hillary Clinton for your grace and grit. 0.62

00:42:06.000 And thank you, my mother and sister!

00:42:07.000 I'm so proud of you, mom!

00:42:09.000 I love you!

00:42:10.000 Okay, thanking Hillary Clinton on a personal note.

00:42:12.000 Thank you so much!

00:42:15.000 This is why the ratings are low for the Emmys.

00:42:17.000 It's why culture is not only losing its impact, it's losing its voice.

00:42:20.000 It's why it's not even really pushing Americans to the left anymore because it's so blatant.

00:42:26.000 And it's also why Trump is winning.

00:42:27.000 Trump is winning because of people like this.

00:42:29.000 Trump is winning because so long as it's a culture war, Trump can win.

00:42:32.000 But here's the problem.

00:42:33.000 So long as it's a culture war, Republicans can win, but conservatives won't.

00:42:38.000 Okay, the only thing that conservatives can win on, we can use the culture war to win, but then we have to have a political war where we push for policy. 0.97

00:42:45.000 It is not enough to react to Kate McKinnon.

00:42:47.000 It's not enough to react to Stephen Colbert.

00:42:51.000 You then have to promulgate good policy, not move to the left.

00:42:54.000 Okay, so just because you hate the Emmys doesn't mean you should support President Trump's policies, even if you think that he's right and the Emmys are wrong.

00:43:01.000 Okay, time for a couple of things I like, then some things that I hate.

00:43:04.000 Things that I like.

00:43:05.000 Over the weekend, I read a book I'd never read before, actually, the book Rebecca by Daphne du Maurier.

00:43:11.000 This is a very famous book.

00:43:12.000 It was much more famous probably first half of the 20th century.

00:43:15.000 It's one of the very early kind of suspense novels.

00:43:18.000 And the movie, it won Best Picture in 1940, Laurence Olivier and Joan Fontaine.

00:43:24.000 Joan Fontaine was sisters with Olivia de Havilland, so that's why they look so much alike.

00:43:27.000 But the basic story is that Joan Fontaine is this kind of

00:43:32.000 Young girl, very naive, who marries Lawrence Olivier's character Max de Winter, and Max de Winter has this very shadowy past.

00:43:41.000 He lives at this ginormous palatial estate called Manderly, and she is brought in after the death of his first wife and marries him.

00:43:49.000 And here is a little bit of the preview of the movie.

00:43:51.000 The movie is quite good.

00:43:52.000 The book is better.

00:43:56.000 Announcing the return of the most glamorous motion picture ever made, David O. Selznick and Alfred Hitchcock bring you the Grand Slam prize winner that made motion picture history.

00:44:08.000 Winner of the Academy Award, voted by America's critics as the best picture of the year.

00:44:12.000 And now, as a result of a national poll, winning new honors, as audiences throughout the country vote to see it again.

00:44:19.000 The Selznick Studios successor to Gone with the Wind, Rebecca, brought to the screen with all the warmth and emotion that made millions of readers acclaim Daphne du Maurier's bestseller as the most exciting love story of our time.

00:44:32.000 Okay, one of the things that I like about this preview is that it actually references the book, right?

00:44:35.000 How literate is a preview when it actually references specific passages from the book and shows how closely it hues to the book?

00:44:40.000 Kind of cool.

00:44:41.000 The adaptation is very good, and this is very early Lawrence Olivier.

00:44:46.000 Watch him in this, and then watch him in Marathon Man.

00:44:48.000 And that's a transformation.

00:44:49.000 Okay, other things that I like.

00:44:52.000 This is a pretty amazing video.

00:44:53.000 There's a 66-year-old bodybuilder, who I guess is colorblind, and his family got him a set of these very expensive glasses that allowed him to see color for the very first time.

00:45:01.000 So here he is seeing color for the first time in his life.

00:45:04.000 What is this?

00:45:05.000 Put them on.

00:45:06.000 They're sunglasses.

00:45:24.000 What does it look?

00:45:26.000 Oh, that's weird.

00:45:27.000 Look at the balloons.

00:45:29.000 Can you see with our eyes now, baby?

00:45:32.000 What colors do you see?

00:45:34.000 Those.

00:45:35.000 You see colors now?

00:45:36.000 Oh, the trees are deep.

00:45:53.000 Now you have rose-colored glasses, baby.

00:45:58.000 Now you see with our eyes.

00:46:00.000 Do you like the balloons?

00:46:16.000 It is pretty amazing how, I mean, the technology that we have now to be able to do these kinds of things is truly incredible.

00:46:21.000 And also, there's something wonderful about the fact that when we finally experience something wonderful in life, we're almost reduced to children again.

00:46:28.000 You get that feeling from him.

00:46:29.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:46:30.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:46:32.000 So...

00:46:32.000 Today's thing that I hate.

00:46:34.000 Clay Travis is a commentator on Fox Sports and I'd be remiss if I did not comment on this because it was just making the entire office laugh hysterically last week.

00:46:43.000 Clay Travis was on CNN with Brooke Baldwin and I'm not sure the name of the other fellow and he decides to drop his slogan.

00:46:52.000 So apparently Clay Travis is sort of almost a quasi Howard Stern-esque

00:46:56.000 Sports figure like he drops obscenity on his show and he does this kind of man show vibe And he dropped one of his slogans and Brooke Baldwin was not prepared for it.

00:47:06.000 And here's how it went

00:47:07.000 I think that's a bad move.

00:47:09.000 I'm a First Amendment absolutist.

00:47:10.000 I believe in only two things completely.

00:47:13.000 The First Amendment and boobs. 1.00

00:47:15.000 And so once they made the decision that they were not going to allow a conservative, non-sports related commentary, they couldn't do it either.

00:47:23.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:47:24.000 I just want to make sure I heard you correctly as a woman anchoring this show.

00:47:27.000 What did you say?

00:47:28.000 You believe in the First Amendment and B-double-O-B-S?

00:47:32.000 Boobs. 1.00

00:47:33.000 Two things that have only never let me down in this entire country's history. 0.99

00:47:36.000 The First Amendment and boobs. 1.00

00:47:38.000 So for somebody to come on CNN and to say something like the only thing I believe in in a discussion about something... I'm still there too and I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly.

00:47:47.000 B-O-O-Z-E or B-O-O-B-S. 1.00

00:47:50.000 Because as a woman, I'm... 0.98

00:47:53.000 As in boobs. 1.00

00:47:54.000 I believe completely in the First Amendment and in boobs. 0.99

00:47:57.000 Those are the only two things I believe 100% in in this country.

00:48:00.000 And by the way, Jamel has absolutely nothing to do with the background at all.

00:48:04.000 Did you notice that?

00:48:05.000 He went straight to that.

00:48:07.000 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:48:08.000 I did go straight to that.

00:48:09.000 Guys, why would you even say that live on national television and with a female host? 1.00

00:48:15.000 Why would you even go there?

00:48:16.000 I say it live on the radio all the time because it's true and that's what I do.

00:48:18.000 Okay, so there are a few things that I think ought to be noted about this.

00:48:21.000 First of all, is it appropriate for Clay Travis to say First Amendment and boobs on national TV in the middle of a news show?

00:48:26.000 Of course it's not appropriate. 0.98

00:48:27.000 It's ridiculous, okay? 0.97

00:48:28.000 But the part of this that's so absurd is the, that's so sexist. 0.97

00:48:32.000 How could you say such a thing? 0.86

00:48:33.000 That's so sexist and horrifying. 1.00

00:48:36.000 Okay, it's not sexist to say men like boobs. 0.98

00:48:40.000 Evolutionary biology suggests that men are attracted to secondary sexual characteristics, including breasts. 0.92

00:48:45.000 If women have trouble with that, then I would suggest that they argue with a biology textbook. 1.00

00:48:49.000 There are a lot of women who work at this office. 1.00

00:48:51.000 I showed this to my wife.

00:48:52.000 My wife thought this was the funniest thing she'd ever seen.

00:48:55.000 It's so absurd. 0.99

00:48:55.000 It's so ridiculous. 0.99

00:48:56.000 Okay, it's just possible. 1.00

00:48:58.000 Is it possible that we can just say stuff is stupid without us being deeply offended by it? 0.95

00:49:02.000 You can even see in this clip if you go back to the beginning of the clip you can see when he first says it Brooke Baldwin wants to laugh like you can see she's about to laugh and then she stops herself and she and she decides that it's time for her to get offended like watch her expression when he first says it she actually starts to laugh because she realizes how stupid this whole thing is and then she realizes that she has to get offended because society mandates that we all get offended about stupid nonsense now so here she watch watch Baldwin's face in this 0.98

00:49:34.000 I just want to make sure I heard you correctly as a woman anchoring this show. 0.99

00:49:37.000 You can see she wants to laugh, right?

00:49:40.000 Because it's hysterical. 0.61

00:49:41.000 He just said boobs in the middle of the show for no reason.

00:49:44.000 Okay, we're all five-year-olds.

00:49:45.000 That's funny.

00:49:45.000 Come on.

00:49:46.000 And then, is it appropriate again?

00:49:48.000 No, it's not appropriate.

00:49:49.000 Does it lower the discourse?

00:49:50.000 Yes.

00:49:50.000 But for God's sake, I mean, we're talking about vulgarization of the discourse.

00:49:53.000 President Trump is the president.

00:49:55.000 Yeah, I think vulgarization of the discourse.

00:49:57.000 I think that ship may have sailed a while ago.

00:49:59.000 I can lament the ship sailing, but I'm not going to pretend that this is even close to the outer limit of the ship sailing.

00:50:04.000 Okay, and CNN doesn't get to complain about that either.

00:50:06.000 Here was their New Year's episode 2016.

00:50:08.000 And the decision all night has been, should it be a tattoo or a piercing?

00:50:16.000 I mean, what are you thinking? 0.99

00:50:19.000 The people want to know what crazy, silly... Let me ask. 1.00

00:50:23.000 Let me ask. 1.00

00:50:25.000 Cathy, I think Cathy.

00:50:27.000 Anderson might hear me wrong.

00:50:29.000 Cathy, what should I do? 0.99

00:50:31.000 Nipple, nipple, nipple, nipple. 0.99

00:50:35.000 No, don't. 0.98

00:50:35.000 I love you, Cathy. 0.98

00:50:36.000 I love you.

00:50:37.000 You don't want to hear my opinion. 0.78

00:50:39.000 Cathy Griffin says nipple, nipple, nipple over a piercing. 1.00

00:50:42.000 This is on live national TV, CNN, right?

00:50:45.000 Okay, so if we're going to like whine about national discourse, like CNN, take a look in the mirror again. 0.66

00:50:52.000 I can say that our discourse has gone down the toilet, and I can also say that we don't have to be deeply offended by Clay Travis liking breasts.

00:50:58.000 I'm sorry, I'm not going to pretend to be deeply offended.

00:51:00.000 I think Jon Podhoretz's line about this was exactly correct.

00:51:03.000 Was this appropriate?

00:51:04.000 No, but you sort of have to agree with the sentiment.

00:51:07.000 Alright, fair enough. 1.00

00:51:09.000 We'll be back here tomorrow with all other things stupid and ridiculous. 0.99

00:51:11.000 Again, that's another one of those that falls under, this is why Trump won, right? 0.99

00:51:14.000 Cultural issues. 0.98

00:51:16.000 People getting offended over a guy saying he likes boobs? 0.88

00:51:18.000 One reason that Trump won. 1.00

00:51:21.000 Everything is stupid. 1.00

00:51:22.000 Apparently there's a story out today, by the way, and there's an old prophecy that's been interpreted to say that the world will end on September 23rd. 1.00

00:51:30.000 If it does, I can't say that we've lost a lot, according to this particular show.

00:51:34.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

00:51:35.000 Please, world, try to do better.

00:51:36.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:51:37.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - September 19, 2017

The Culture Wars | Ep. 385

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