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00:00:00.000At the end of The Dark Knight, probably the best movie of the last 20 years, Commissioner Gordon describes why Batman has to go into hiding and wrongly take the blame for Harvey Dent's death.
00:00:08.000He's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now, says Commissioner Gordon.
00:00:13.000Well folks, there's the debate America deserves, and then there's the debate America needs right now.
00:00:17.000Last night, Fox News held a debate between Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida and Governor Gavin Newsom of California.
00:00:29.000Newsom obfuscated his own record and that of his opponent, but it was, all things told, a relatively normal political debate.
00:00:35.000A debate in which both sides came with their information and points and then argued over that information and those points and those policy positions.
00:00:41.000It was, in short, the debate America deserves.
00:00:44.000It was not, in fact, the debate America needs right now.
00:00:46.000Here was DeSantis' generalized take on California's failures.
00:00:50.000So I was talking to a fella who had made the move from California to Florida, and he was telling me that Florida is much better governed, safer, better budget, lower taxes, all this stuff, and he's really happy with the quality of life.
00:01:03.000And then he paused and he said, you know, by the way, I'm Gavin Newsom's father-in-law.
00:01:07.000So we do count Gavin's in-laws as some of the people that have fled California.
00:01:12.000They understand that Florida's doing it right, and I can tell you the numbers speak for themselves.
00:01:16.000We have way more people moving to this state than leaving.
00:02:20.000Books have not been banned in the state of Florida.
00:02:22.000The only question is whether there are books that are inappropriate for, say, 5th or 6th graders that don't belong in junior high libraries.
00:02:28.000DeSantis responded by actually pulling out a sheet of a book called Genderqueer and showing what it looks like in a public school.
00:02:58.000They want to have that injected into the elementary school.
00:03:01.000My wife and I have a seven, five, and a three-year-old.
00:03:03.000We don't think that that's appropriate.
00:03:04.000And I know most parents do not think it's appropriate.
00:03:08.000It's also important to respect parental rights to know what curriculum is being used in the classroom, and everything should be age-appropriate.
00:03:15.000I actually have something that I brought that some parents have objected to.
00:03:18.000So this is a book that's in some of the schools in California.
00:03:21.000Florida, this is not consistent with our standards, called Genderqueer.
00:05:20.000So in the same line of attack, Newsom is suggesting that DeSantis locked down the state, and then he's suggesting that he should not have locked it down, but also he should have locked it down.
00:05:30.000DeSantis responded by clocking Newsom on his own record on COVID.
00:05:34.000On a per capita age-adjusted basis, California and Florida are basically the same.
00:06:20.000You didn't do the job you should have done.
00:06:25.000DeSantis went on to roast Gavin Newsom over going to the French Laundry unmasked while everybody else was locked down and couldn't go to a restaurant.
00:06:31.000I remember, because at that time I was still living in California.
00:06:35.000The Martha's Vineyard transport, Martha's Vineyard said it was a sanctuary jurisdiction.
00:06:40.000Kind of reminds me about Gavin Newsom, when he restricted Californians, then he went to the French Laundry.
00:06:46.000These liberal elites, they like to impose burdens on you, they don't want to have to face the consequences of their actions.
00:06:51.000So we've got a lot of elites who want open borders, who lecture everybody else about it, and the minute they have to deal with any of the consequences, oh man, all hell breaks loose.
00:07:04.000I had already moved from California to Florida, like tens of thousands of other people.
00:07:09.000DeSantis also added that Newsom's home city of San Francisco, where Newsom was mayor, and he had pledged to clean up San Francisco, he pointed out that it was covered in human poop, and he brought the receipts to show it.
00:07:27.000You may be asking, what is that plotting?
00:07:29.000Well, this is an app where they plot the human feces that are found on the streets of San Francisco.
00:07:35.000And you see how almost the whole thing is covered, because that is what has happened in one of the previous greatest cities this country's ever had.
00:07:43.000Human feces is now a fact of life, except When a communist dictator comes to town, then they cleaned up the streets.
00:07:51.000They lined the streets with Chinese flags.
00:07:56.000San Francisco is full of crap, and so is Gavin Newsom.
00:07:59.000Perhaps DeSantis' finest moment is when he called out Newsom's vision of liberty, noting that by liberty, Gavin Newsom generally meant taking power away from parents, especially in the area of gender and sexuality.
00:08:10.000In California, if you're a parent in Iowa or New Hampshire or South Carolina, your minor child can go to California without your knowledge or without your consent and get hormone therapy, puberty blockers, and a sex change operation all without you knowing or consenting.
00:08:29.000How in the heck is that honoring parents' rights when you're bringing people from out of state to go around their parents' backs and getting life-altering surgeries?
00:08:40.000Okay, all of this right here is the debate America deserves.
00:08:48.000You know, a debate over serious policy differences and governance styles, a debate about California versus Florida, a debate over the future of the country.
00:08:56.000But it isn't the debate America needs right now.
00:08:58.000The debate America needs right now is a debate over one simple topic.
00:09:02.000Why are we going to get Biden versus Trump in all likelihood?
00:09:05.000Why should America be faced with the prospect of an election in which both candidates are elderly and fading, in which both candidates are wildly unpopular with the American electorate, Joe Biden's approval rating is currently 40.6% in the RealClearPolitics polling average, Donald Trump's is at 41.1%, and in which both candidates can only serve one more term in office?
00:09:26.000For the Democrats, the party bosses remain in control of the levers of power.
00:09:29.000For the Republicans, the party bosses aren't in control of the levers of power.
00:09:33.000Democrats right now are cramming down Joe Biden on their own base.
00:09:36.000But they also control the power, which means that candidates like Newsom won't admit to running, even though Newsom is pretty obviously running.
00:09:42.000I mean, he's simultaneously running just in case Joe Biden should keel over or fall down the stairs too hard.
00:10:28.000But, on the other hand, you've got the Republican Party, where Donald Trump leads in the RealClearPox polling average by leaps and bounds in every primary.
00:10:35.000Trump is, as always, on nearly every side of every issue.
00:11:27.000The odds right now are not in their favor.
00:11:29.000But if the election does end up being Trump versus Biden, rather than, say, DeSantis versus Newsom, maybe we need to go back to our original question and ask, what is the debate America deserves?
00:11:39.000The debate America needs is a debate over whether we even have a debate at all in this country anymore.
00:11:45.000Whether we're even capable of doing normal debate in this country anymore.
00:11:49.000Whether we are so polarized that debates on policy don't actually matter.
00:11:52.000The only thing that matters is how we manage our divorce.
00:11:55.000Sure, maybe we don't deserve a serious political debate because we're an unserious people in a very serious time.
00:12:00.000Maybe we don't deserve a real debate on policy because we've given up on such debates altogether in favor of knee-jerk sentiments about our fellow Americans.
00:12:07.000Or maybe, just maybe, the problem goes even deeper than that.
00:12:10.000Maybe the problem is that after decades of radicalism from the American left, usurpation of institutional power by that left in corporate America, on the courts, in the media, It's too late for any compromise to be brooked or any truce to be brokered.
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00:15:10.000Meanwhile, on Wednesday, Elon Musk tore into what he termed people who care about looking good while doing evil.
00:15:16.000He was specifically referring to major corporate leaders who spend their days virtue signaling while cracking down on dissenting opinions and promoting harmful material.
00:15:54.000Yeah, no, I'm asking you personally how you feel about that because this goes- we're talking about power and influence and- I'm saying- I'm saying what I- what I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of it.
00:16:04.000And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil.
00:16:12.000Musk here was explicitly talking about companies like Disney, whose CEO Bob Iger had announced earlier in the month that the male's house would stop advertising on X, formerly known as Twitter.
00:16:20.000Iger explained that decision to Andrew Ross Sorkin.
00:16:57.000Or now X. And by him taking the position that he took in quite a public manner, we just felt that the association with that position and Elon Musk and X was not necessarily a positive one for us, and we decided we would pull our advertising.
00:17:20.000Disney is not pulling its advertising on X because of one of Elon Musk's tweets.
00:17:24.000A tweet he then explained and apologized for.
00:17:26.000They're pulling their advertising because they are part of an advertiser cascade that is designed to pressure Elon Musk into doing their bidding.
00:17:32.000Now, it's one thing for an advertiser to decline to be associated with any outlet or product.
00:17:41.000But when companies make public announcements that they are withdrawing their money, that is obviously designed to create public pressure.
00:17:47.000And the pressure in this case is for Elon Musk and Axe to do the bidding of groups like Media Matters, the far-left censorship group that seeks to destroy political opponents through, in some cases, outright slander.
00:17:57.000Media Matters wants Musk to censor those it doesn't like, and they are willing to astroturf secondary boycotts against advertisers to achieve that.
00:18:04.000That's why Musk is currently suing Media Matters.
00:18:07.000Disney and others pulling their money from X are doubling down on their own catastrophic woke strategies.
00:18:12.000Disney has essentially destroyed its own stock value over the past few years by going woke.
00:18:17.000These companies continue to tell the world how proud they are to be woke.
00:18:21.000They really don't like free speech, and they especially hate any company or platform that can break their stranglehold on the media.
00:18:26.000The same media that has never been willing to say, go f*** yourself to the likes of Disney.
00:18:32.000Now, while the Daily Wire doesn't have Disney money yet, we see what Elon is doing with X as one of the most important things actually happening in the culture today when it comes to preserving free speech, which is why today we've secured a $250,000 spend for a takeover on X to promote our new feature-length comedy, Ladyballers.
00:18:48.000We made Ladyballers because Hollywood, aided and abetted by big tech censorship, will not make a movie about how ridiculously absurd it is that we now pretend that men can be women and allow grown men to call themselves women and then dominate women's sports.
00:18:59.000X drives the conversations in a way no other social media outlet does, and provides a space to freely mock absurdities like we do in Lady Ballers, in ways that other outlets won't.
00:19:08.000In other words, X is the only social media platform that allows, and is attempting to even preserve, free speech.
00:19:14.000Well, the answer, apparently, is Disney.
00:19:17.000Will our $250,000 cut into X's loss of revenue thanks to virtue signaling?
00:19:20.000Not much, but every little bit does help.
00:19:23.000And if we want to keep X a free speech space, it's important everyone continue to subsidize the businesses they like.
00:19:28.000As Elon so aptly put it, if Disney and others are successful in their advertising boycott, it will kill free speech.
00:19:33.000If that happens, everybody is going to know who actually killed it.
00:19:37.000Okay, in just one second, we'll get to all the updates from the Middle East.
00:19:40.000Israel has now resumed its offensives in the Gaza Strip after Hamas broke the ceasefire and fired a bunch of rockets into Israel and committed a terror attack on a street corner in Jerusalem against people who are just standing at a bus stop.
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00:21:25.000Of course your divorce is affecting your daughter.
00:21:26.00070% of all people in prison come from broken families.
00:21:29.000She's twice as likely to do drugs, twice as likely to drop out of school, four times as likely to have trouble fitting in, three times as likely to end up in therapy, twice as likely to commit suicide, 50% more likely to have health problems.
00:21:43.000Do people not even do a freaking Google search before you decide to blow up the planet your kids live on?
00:22:23.000Well, not just because it actually laughs at the things that you're supposed to laugh at, you know, like boys being girls and such, because that's ridiculous and silly and really damaging.
00:22:30.000But also, no one is going to message against divorce in modern society.
00:22:34.000The fact that there's actually, you know, lines in the script where an actress says the thing that we all know, which is that divorce is extraordinarily damaging to children.
00:22:42.000That is something that Hollywood has pushed against for literally decades, claiming that divorce might in fact be good for kids.
00:22:47.000The best thing for kids is when the parents selfishly decide to part ways and leave the kid with their planet exploded, as said in the movie.
00:22:54.000Now, Hollywood has helped facilitate the breakup of families in American society with exactly that sort of messaging.
00:23:01.000The children are ancillary to the marriage.
00:23:03.000And we don't agree with that here at Daily Wire, which is why we make movies that actually take on issues while doing so in the guise of a comedy, which is exactly what is happening here in Lady Ballers.
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00:23:42.000So the IDF is bombing the Gaza Strip again.
00:23:45.000The reason they are bombing the Gaza Strip again is because the Gaza Strip was firing rockets at them again.
00:23:50.000So over the course of the last 24 hours, Hamas took credit for a shooting in Jerusalem, in which at least four people were killed, 16 people were wounded.
00:24:01.000It was two brothers from East Jerusalem, who are claimed as devotees by Hamas, who got out of their car and literally just opened fire with M16s on a bunch of people who were standing there.
00:24:11.000Now remember, according to the mainstream media, Israel bombing military targets and accidentally killing civilians is exactly the same thing as terrorists getting out at a bus stop, like a bus stop in your neighborhood, and just shooting people.
00:24:22.000Which is precisely what happened in Jerusalem.
00:24:23.000So that was a violation of the ceasefire, number one.
00:24:25.000And then, last night, Hamas began firing rockets again at Israel because, effectively, they have run out of hostages that they are willing to hand over to Israel to buy time.
00:24:34.000Because the hostages who are left are Israeli military, or women or children who are either dead, and they're just bodies at this point, or have been raped, mutilated, or whatever the story may be.
00:24:44.000I mean, Hamas is making very clear what they are.
00:24:48.000And once again, the world is trying to pretend that Hamas is not what it is.
00:24:53.000According to the uncle of a couple of the hostages, Orr, who is 16, and Yigal Yakov, who is 12, quote, So that's what they did.
00:24:59.000of each child taken hostage and burned them with the exhaust of a motorcycle to mark them
00:25:03.000in case they ran away so they could find them.
00:25:15.000When Hamas kidnapped children, they immediately burned them with the exhaust pipe of motorcycles in order to brand them so if they ran away, they could be quickly identified and recaptured by Hamas.
00:25:25.000Meanwhile, we are being treated to hostage videos of Yardin Bibas.
00:25:31.000Yardin is the father of a family that was slaughtered by Hamas.
00:26:36.000And these are apparently the people that the American left and much of the international left wants to protect as a power in the Gaza Strip.
00:26:43.000An aunt of Avigali Dan, a dual American-Israeli citizen who was taken hostage and who turned four days a few days before being released, said her niece shared one piece of pita bread per day with four other captives, did not have a shower or bath for 50 days.
00:26:56.000According to the aunt, the five hostages were kept in above-ground apartments, changing locations at least once.
00:27:56.000And then they released him and he unleashed this hell upon them.
00:28:00.000So he now says, quote, the leaders of the occupation should know October 7th was just a rehearsal.
00:28:06.000Meanwhile, a Hamas official was on with a TikTok YouTube personality named Bel Mubashar and explaining that Hamas is going to launch more attacks against Israel.
00:28:19.000This is the interviewer saying, if you could go back in time to October 6th, would you still do what you did on October 7th?
00:28:27.000This is Osama Hamdan, Hamas political bureau.
00:28:30.000Why do some people assume we would go back on our acts of resistance?
00:28:36.000Regret for shattering an entire division of the occupation army?
00:28:40.000You said that if the Israelis would make new arrests, after all the prisoners are released from Israeli prisons, you'd carry out another operation.
00:29:04.000This is before they broke the ceasefire.
00:29:06.000A worldwide call to mobilize in support of Gaza this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
00:29:11.000Quote, we call on them to mobilize all their popular means to reject and denounce the crimes and massacres committed by the Nazi occupation, to call for an end to its barbaric aggression and decades-long occupation.
00:29:20.000We urge them to be emboldened by the strength of Palestinian rights and the justice and legitimacy of our struggle.
00:29:25.000We also appeal to them to maintain all forms of solidarity and support.
00:29:29.000All forms, which presumably would include violence.
00:29:33.000So, again, Hamas's intentions are clear.
00:29:35.000They violated the ceasefire, and so Israel has now resumed its campaign in the Gaza Strip.
00:29:42.000Meanwhile, the United States continues to want to have it both ways.
00:29:45.000Because, again, this is a weak administration, and they continue to make signals to the world's worst people that maybe if they continue to hide behind civilians, Israel will stop.
00:29:56.000So, Antony Blinken decided to go back to Jerusalem to lecture the Israeli government on how to conduct a war.
00:30:03.000He said, quote, you can't operate in Southern Gaza in the way you did in the North.
00:30:07.000There are two million Palestinians there.
00:30:08.000You need to evacuate fewer people from their homes, be more accurate in the attacks.
00:30:13.000And if not, then not to attack where there is a civilian population.
00:30:17.000The IDF chief, whose name is Kharti Halevi, he said, we follow a number of principles, proportionality, distinction, the wars, the laws of war.
00:30:24.000There were instances where we attacked on the basis of those principles and instances where we decided not to attack because we waited for a better opportunity.
00:30:31.000This all led to this astonishing interchange.
00:30:35.000So Defense Minister Yoav Galan said, quote, The entire Israeli society is united behind the goal of dismantling Hamas, even if it takes months.
00:30:41.000And Blinken supposedly said, quote, I don't think you have the credit for that.
00:30:45.000What the hell is that supposed to mean?
00:31:00.000What precisely is the moral credit required in order to do what is necessary to protect your own citizens?
00:31:06.000That's an absurdity from Antony Blinken.
00:31:08.000And again, it's all these mixed signals that are being sent.
00:31:10.000Antony Blinken, simultaneously yesterday, he went and he visited with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, a Holocaust denier and garbage human being.
00:32:06.000Here is Blinken yesterday saying there can't be any more massive loss of civilian life.
00:32:09.000Again, if somebody could provide some sort of magic wand that Israel could use to distinguish Hamas from the civilians surrounding them, or Hamas, by the way, from like the 18-year-old guys who claim not to be members of Hamas, but who are carrying guns and just not wearing uniforms, I am sure that Israel would be happy to hear about this magic wand.
00:32:24.000Otherwise, this is just empty verbiage designed at, what, reducing tensions?
00:32:27.000But ironically, it increases tensions.
00:32:29.000It's the same exact thing you see in Britain, where Britain will take down a menorah in the name of reducing community tensions.
00:32:35.000That doesn't reduce community tensions, it just gives strength to a radical enemy.
00:32:41.000In my meetings today with the Prime Minister and senior Israeli officials, I made clear that before Israel resumes major military operations, it must put in place humanitarian civilian protection plans that minimize further casualties of innocent Palestinians.
00:32:58.000That means taking more effective steps to protect the lives of civilians, including by clearly and precisely designating areas and places in southern and central Gaza where they can be safe and out of the line of fire.
00:33:10.000It means avoiding further significant displacement of civilians inside of Gaza.
00:33:14.000It means avoiding damage to life-critical infrastructure, like hospitals, like power stations, like water facilities.
00:33:23.000And it means giving civilians who've been displaced to southern Gaza the choice to return to the north as soon as conditions permit.
00:33:31.000There must be no enduring internal displacement.
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00:39:22.000Okay, meanwhile, the vacillation and cowardice that you're seeing by the political left in the United States when it comes to Israel versus Hamas, It's mirrored by that same sort of confusion and cowardice when it comes to foreign policy more generally.
00:39:35.000This is why there's an entire piece by Ben Rhodes today, the former Deputy National Security Advisor, whose nickname, I'm not kidding you, there's a book by Tevye Troy where he talks about this, apparently his nickname in the White House because he was so anti-Israel was Hamas.
00:39:48.000He wrote a piece in the New York Times.
00:39:51.000in which he goes after Henry Kissinger.
00:39:53.000Now, as I said yesterday about Henry Kissinger's death, there are a lot of things to criticize Henry Kissinger over.
00:39:58.000You can say that he made short-term plays at the expense of long-term interests, say, with regard to China.
00:40:03.000You can say that he greenlit regimes that would commit human rights atrocities, but only because the alternative was a Soviet takeover of that particular area.
00:40:11.000Now, you can make all of these claims, but what Ben Rhodes does is something deeper.
00:40:15.000He critiques Kissinger's general foreign policy understanding.
00:40:19.000On the basis of the fact that he used to write novels about his cat from a Brooklyn apartment and knows nothing.
00:40:24.000He's one of the dumbest people in American politics and has been for years.
00:40:29.000So what exactly is Ben Rhodes' foreign policy vision?
00:40:32.000He says that the conduct of global affairs has to be about maintaining image.
00:40:38.000He says, quote, you can choose to see unexploded bombs as the inevitable tragedy of the conduct of global affairs.
00:40:45.000From a strategic standpoint, Mr. Kissinger surely knew that being a superpower carried with it a cavernous margin of error that can be forgiven by history.
00:40:55.000When and where you live determines whether you get crushed or lifted by it.
00:40:58.000But that worldview mistakes cynicism or realism for wisdom.
00:41:02.000The story, what it's all about, matters.
00:41:04.000Ultimately, the Berlin Wall came down not because of chess moves made on a board of a great game, but rather because people in the East wanted to live like people in the West.
00:41:10.000Economics, popular culture, social movements mattered.
00:41:12.000Despite all our flaws, We had a better system in story.
00:41:15.000So in other words, the reason that the Berlin Wall fell, according to moron Ben Rhodes, is that we had TV and jeans, and that no foreign policy moves we made anywhere in here made any difference at all.
00:41:25.000Which is weird, because depriving the Soviet Union of nearly all foreign policy resources, as well as bankrupting their economy with our defense spending, is what actually brought down the Berlin Wall.
00:41:34.000It was, in fact, a pro-Western foreign policy that existed in many parts of the Earth that helped bring down the Soviet Union.
00:41:42.000But according to Ben Rhodes, it's all about credibility.
00:41:45.000He says, credibility is not just about whether you punish an adversary to send a message to another.
00:41:49.000It's also about whether you are what you say you are.
00:41:52.000No one can expect perfection in the affairs of state any more than in relations among human beings.
00:41:57.000But the United States has paid a price for its hypocrisy.
00:43:23.000If you want to view foreign policy in one sentence, you have to decide, do you think the world on a foreign policy level is a prison yard or is it a playground?
00:43:32.000Is it a prison yard or is it a playground?
00:43:35.000If you think, as I do, that it's a prison yard, that means a few things.
00:43:38.000First, the world is a violent and contentious place.
00:43:42.000It is governed by both interest and ideology.
00:43:45.000And really, in the end, it's governed by raw power, economic power, military power.
00:43:49.000These things actually matter because it's a prison yard and it's filled with a lot of bad people.
00:43:54.000There are some people who are in that prison yard who are there through no fault of their own.
00:43:57.000There are some people who are actually good in this particular prison yard, but It's a prison yard.
00:44:01.000It's a lot of bad people who hate each other and want to fight each other and have very, very adversarial interests.
00:44:07.000Second, foreign policy is a series of bad choices between awful alternatives.
00:44:11.000There are very few amazing choices in foreign policy.
00:44:14.000It turns out that very often you have a choice between allying with the Soviets and losing to Hitler, for example.
00:44:20.000That sort of stuff happens in foreign policy all the time.
00:44:24.000And to pretend otherwise is to be ignorant of how foreign policy actually works.
00:44:27.000Third, foreign countries and adversaries have their own math.
00:44:30.000They have their own interests and their own priorities.
00:44:32.000It's not as though they have no agency and that the United States does a thing and then it's all blowback.
00:44:37.000Maybe the United States has its interests and maybe the Saudis have their own interests.
00:44:41.000Maybe the Israelis have their own interests.
00:44:42.000Maybe the British have their own interests.
00:44:43.000Maybe the Russians have their own interests.
00:44:45.000Maybe the Chileans have their own interests.
00:44:46.000And maybe they pursue those interests regardless of what the United States is doing or not doing.
00:44:53.000That would be a much more accurate description of how you work in your everyday life.
00:44:57.000Why do we always assume, if you're on the left, that only American exam- like, everyone is sitting around thinking about what Barack Obama thinks about the world, as opposed to what they want to do today.
00:45:06.000And finally, refusing to engage with the world is not a real possibility.
00:45:10.000The United States was lulled into that false sense of security because for the first half of the United States' existence, Britain was the global hegemon, not the United States.
00:45:17.000And that guaranteed freedom of the seas, for example.
00:45:19.000And we benefited from Britain's ownership of the seas through free trade, through British domination of a lot of foreign areas, through British calming influence in a lot of its colonial holdings.
00:45:59.000But according to Ben Rhodes, again, the basic idea here is the reverse.
00:46:03.000Foreign policy, the world, it's a playground filled with wonderful children who just want to make friends with you.
00:46:08.000And if you hand out enough chocolate and candies, and if you make friends with them, and if you put a rainbow sticker on your backpack, they will love you so, so, so much.
00:46:16.000They're just good people like you, deep down at heart.
00:46:19.000And what they really need is jobs and friendship.
00:46:22.000And that's going to woo people who have a completely obverse worldview to yours.
00:46:27.000In this particular view, America is the only actor in the world.
00:46:33.000And if America shows its example by just being super nice all the time, and never engaging in foreign policy, and never making hard decisions, and never building up its own power, and never doing that stuff, everyone will look at the United States, they'll say, what a nice person, what a great place the United States is.
00:46:51.000If you believe this, it's because you're a stupid person.
00:46:54.000But the basic idea from Ben Rhodes, and many, ironically, on the sort of isolationist right, is that no one else on planet Earth has agency.
00:47:02.000Every discussion you will hear from isolationists is about how no one has agency except the United States.
00:47:06.000America did a thing, therefore, another country did the thing.
00:47:09.000Never, the other country did the thing, and maybe we reacted to them.
00:47:13.000Or that country was allying with a country that we don't like very much, and growing in power, and threatening our interests, so maybe we had to react.
00:47:20.000The Blame America First crowd exists on both sides of the aisle, and it's all based, again, on that centralized principle, which is that America could withdraw from the world and just be a light unto the nations, a sort of example, without ever engaging in world politics.
00:47:33.000It assumes, number one, the world is a playground, and number two, even if the world isn't a playground, that the United States has the option of withdrawing within our own borders, that there'll be no impact on the United States.
00:47:47.000In this view, the West has to play dead in order to make room for everybody else.
00:47:51.000Now, there are a bunch of people who hold this particular worldview, and they range from the radical left, as I say, to the sort of isolationist right.
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00:50:01.000Unfortunately, this pathetic view of the world, this wrong view of the world, the world's just a family of nations where we're all best friends and all it requires is for us to access the best angels of our nature in order to operate in this prison yard and everyone, roses will bloom everywhere.
00:50:14.000One of the people who pushes this all the time is the Pope, okay?
00:50:18.000As everyone knows at this point, I am not a fan of Pope Francis.
00:50:20.000I think that he is a disgrace to his position, to be perfectly frank with you.
00:50:23.000I think that he says things that are anti-biblical on the regular.
00:50:26.000And I'm not talking about anti-biblical from like a Jewish point of view, I'm not a Catholic, obviously.
00:50:30.000I disagree with Catholicism, otherwise I would be a Catholic.
00:50:34.000I'm not the only one who believes this.
00:50:35.000I would say a vast majority of conservative Catholics believe that Pope Francis has abandoned many of the Church's crucial missions, including baseline morality in favor of a globalist view of the world that is all about environmentalism and left-wing redistributionism over actual eternal meaning things.
00:50:53.000And Pope Francis, what that means is that very often he's engaging in exactly the kinds of moral equivalence that you would see from the radical left.
00:51:01.000Apparently, as bombs fell and tanks penetrated deep into Gaza in late October, Israeli President Isaac Herzog held a call with Pope Francis.
00:51:09.000Apparently, Herzog was describing his nation's horror over October 7th, and Francis said, quote, Which is just the grossest thing ever.
00:51:31.000What we're doing is trying to defend our own people.
00:51:33.000The Pope said, those responsible should be held accountable, but not civilians.
00:51:38.000That, of course, is ridiculous because Hamas is hiding among civilians.
00:51:42.000If Israel could distinguish between the two, well, that would make everybody's life super easy.
00:51:45.000But that's why Hamas is not allowing them to do so.
00:51:47.000Apparently, according to the Washington Post, that private call would inform Israeli interpretations of France's polemic statement at his November 22nd general audience in St.
00:51:55.000Peter's Square that the conflict had gone, quote, gone beyond war.
00:52:25.000There are people who are perfectly willing to use that mentality.
00:52:29.000The radical Islamists use this all the time.
00:52:31.000Rashid Khalidi, for example, good friend of Barack Obama.
00:52:34.000You remember that time that Barack Obama and Rashid Khalidi did an event together leading up to 2008 and it was on tape and the media completely buried it.
00:52:41.000They refused to release it because they wanted Barack Obama to be president.
00:52:44.000And Rashid Khalidi is a spokesperson for the Palestine Liberation Organization at one point.
00:52:48.000Well, Khalidi apparently declined to say on Thursday that Israel had either a legal or a moral right to respond militarily to the Hamas terror attack.
00:52:59.000Khalidi said, the question is it's framing.
00:53:03.000Gaza's been under siege for 16 years and he goes on and on and on about how basically Israel does not have the ability to respond to a terror attack.
00:53:10.000Again, not a shock coming from radical Islamists and the left sides with that because the left is either foolish or corrupt.
00:53:15.000Meanwhile, there are people on the right who are simultaneously doing much the same thing.
00:53:21.000Like a group on the libertarian right who sound very much like Noam Chomsky on the left, who sound very much like Bernie Sanders on foreign policy.
00:53:30.000I don't know what to make of that other than they're just wrong.
00:53:34.000So Tucker Carlson, yesterday, he did a show with a comedian, and this comedian I guess is a libertarian, and Tucker Carlson was talking with this guy and this guy started ripping into William F. Buckley and it led to this kind of odd exchange.
00:53:50.000Whatever this atrophy in the intelligence of the American people, I think it's accelerating.
00:53:56.000And again, just like you said, I'll disclaimer as well, I'm talking about people who I don't necessarily like.
00:54:03.000I view Bill Buckley as one of the great villains of the 20th century.
00:54:11.000But he was a clearly very, also CIA by the way, but he was also a very intelligent guy and witty and was not speaking down to his audience and- Again, Tucker's a super talented broadcaster and I think Tucker's a smart guy.
00:54:26.000I'm just wondering why, like, I would love for him to explicate why he thinks Bill Buckley was one of the worst forces of the 20th century.
00:54:49.000Because what Buckley was mostly famous for was forging the famous three-legged stool of conservatism.
00:54:54.000Social conservatism, which I assume Tucker agrees with.
00:54:56.000In fact, I know Tucker agrees with it.
00:54:58.000Fiscal conservatism, which is about free markets, where Tucker's pretty dicey, and foreign policy, where Buckley's position was a sort of realist anti-Soviet position.
00:55:09.000Which parts does Tucker disagree with?
00:55:14.000Because, from the libertarian right, the disagreement with Buckley is on social conservatism, where Tucker, I believe, agrees with Buckley, and on foreign policy.
00:55:23.000Which is largely, again, the sort of, America is to blame for every war that has ever been happening on planet Earth position since World War II.
00:55:42.000We'll be getting into a shocking report from the New York Times about the failure of imagination in Israel about what Hamas was capable of prior to October 7th.
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