The Ben Shapiro Show - The Longest Week | Ep. 987

00:00:00.000 As the holidays approach, Americans batten down the hatches for a brutal week of coronavirus numbers, doctors and politicians bat around solutions, and President Trump and Joe Biden go at it.

00:00:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:26.000 I hope that you had a wonderful, relaxing weekend, which was exactly the same as your weekday now.

00:00:30.000 I mean, it is incredible how all the days just sort of meld into one another.

00:00:33.000 Particularly if you have children, then there is no day.

00:00:36.000 We are all just living one long day.

00:00:38.000 That is all that is happening right now.

00:00:40.000 Just the longest day.

00:00:42.000 And this is supposed to be the longest week.

00:00:44.000 And pretty much everybody is in agreement that this week is going to be very, very bad in terms of the coronavirus numbers.

00:00:50.000 We've seen over a thousand deaths, most of those in New York City, over the course of the last three or four days.

00:00:55.000 Our current coronavirus account right now It's well over 9,000 deaths.

00:01:04.000 Have we surpassed 10,000 deaths in the United States at this point?

00:01:07.000 If not, then we will today.

00:01:09.000 The United States is standing, as of yesterday, at 9,679 deaths.

00:01:12.000 There were about 1,100 to 1,200 deaths yesterday in the United States from coronavirus.

00:01:19.000 There's a little bit of good news, and that is if you look at some of the models that are being used here, They're being revised downward.

00:01:24.000 So the model that comes from University of Washington, that's the model, the so-called Murray model that was being used by the White House.

00:01:32.000 That model has now been revised up in terms of peak and down in terms of duration, which is overall not a horrible thing, given the fact that they've actually lowered their death estimate fairly tremendously over the last four days.

00:01:44.000 Last week, I read to you from the model and they said there were going to be about 94,000 deaths in the United States by August 1st, 2020.

00:01:51.000 Now they are suggesting there will be 82,000 COVID-19 deaths by August 4th, 2020.

00:01:56.000 Now, what's amazing about that modeling is which factors are changing.

00:02:00.000 What exactly is changing?

00:02:01.000 It's hard to tell.

00:02:02.000 So it is not that people are staying home more.

00:02:05.000 That was already taken into account in the model.

00:02:07.000 What it is suggesting is that it's raging like wildfire where it's raging, and then after that, it stops raging.

00:02:13.000 And this is the estimate that is being put forward, not by me, but by a scientist over at East Anglia University.

00:02:21.000 He's suggesting that people have been underestimating how fast this thing is going to burn, and the good news on that is that you're going to see it burn out more quickly.

00:02:30.000 According to the scientist at East Anglia University, which by the way, University of East Anglia in Britain is one of the places that the left loves to cite with regard to climate change models.

00:02:38.000 So this is not some fly-by-night organization.

00:02:41.000 Many of the models being used to forecast the COVID-19 epidemic give poor predictions of both the epidemic's peak and its duration, according to an academic at the University of East Anglia.

00:02:49.000 Comparison of a new approach with a published model of COVID-19 in Wuhan before isolation and social distancing measures were imposed shows that the standard model underestimates the peak infection rate by a factor of three, meaning it will be three times higher and substantially overestimates how long the epidemic will continue after the peak.

00:03:04.000 In other words, it rages through the population and then it seems to sort of stop.

00:03:07.000 And that is why you are seeing the models change in real time.

00:03:10.000 The model that's being used, the Murray model, has been wrong on a wide variety of bases.

00:03:14.000 So for example, as of yesterday, So yesterday was what?

00:03:19.000 April 6th?

00:03:19.000 So yesterday, they were expecting there would be 98,000 beds across the United States that would be needed.

00:03:24.000 Hospital beds needed from COVID-19.

00:03:27.000 The same day, the estimate that was being put forward by the CDC was somewhere on the order of 40,000 beds.

00:03:32.000 So the number of beds estimated was actually significantly lower than the number of beds that actually were needed.

00:03:40.000 The number estimated was much higher than the number that were actually needed.

00:03:43.000 When it came to ICU beds, as of yesterday, the IMHE study from University of Washington was suggesting that there would be 19,316 beds needed.

00:03:51.000 That was as of yesterday.

00:03:53.000 But the number of people who are actually in critical condition, according to the Johns Hopkins statistics, the number of people in critical in the United States is significantly lower than that.

00:04:02.000 The number of critical is like 8,700.

00:04:03.000 So you assume that most of the people in critical, virtually all of them presumably, are on intubators, are on the, I'm sorry, ventilators.

00:04:11.000 They're intubated for ventilators.

00:04:13.000 The number of people in critical right now is 8,700.

00:04:15.000 So that is an order of two lower than the number of people who are expected to be on ventilators if we are getting complete information.

00:04:22.000 So that doesn't suggest that this thing isn't really virulent and really terrible.

00:04:26.000 It does suggest that these models are going to be constantly And they need to be constantly updated because the fact is that if they're not constantly updated, then they're getting it wrong.

00:04:36.000 That's not a problem with how the models work.

00:04:38.000 It is a problem with taking the models at complete face value, which is what I was saying last week as of Friday, that nobody was giving the inputs, nobody was giving the outputs, nobody was giving the amount of time, nobody was explaining whether there was going to be a second wave in the fall.

00:04:50.000 If there is going to be a second wave in the fall, how is that going to be prevented?

00:04:53.000 If there's going to be a second wave in the fall, maybe the best thing that we can do is just increase the number of ICU beds and ventilators and then put everybody who's over the age of 65 or with a pre-existing health condition under warning and say to them you need to basically stay indoors.

00:05:05.000 By the way, By the data, the number of people who are dying are still largely over the age of 65.

00:05:12.000 We don't have the average age from the CDC.

00:05:13.000 We do know that virtually everybody who's being hospitalized has a pre-existing condition, and nearly everybody who is dying has some sort of pre-existing condition.

00:05:20.000 One of the problems is the government has not been forthcoming with the data as to what the average age of people are, what are their actual pre-existing health conditions.

00:05:27.000 This is a question I get a lot.

00:05:29.000 If I have high blood pressure and I am just on a statin, does that count as a pre-existing health condition?

00:05:35.000 If I have sleep apnea, is that a pre-existing health condition?

00:05:37.000 What exactly is a pre-existing health condition?

00:05:39.000 There are certain pre-existing health conditions that you know are more likely to land you in the hospital.

00:05:43.000 If you've got a kidney condition, for example, that is much more likely to land you in the hospital if you have a pre-existing lung condition.

00:05:49.000 If you have asthma or if you have lung cancer or something, if you have an immunological problem, that's more likely to land you in the hospital.

00:05:56.000 But the government has not been supremely forthcoming with all of this.

00:06:00.000 So there's a lot of play in the stats.

00:06:01.000 And I want to get back to this, because this really is the point.

00:06:04.000 We cannot make plans for the future until we have the stats, until we have the data.

00:06:08.000 And this has led to this really interesting philosophical and political impasse, where there are certain people saying, well, the data aren't in, and we are destroying 28 million jobs over the course of three weeks for the sake of data that we don't have.

00:06:22.000 And the other side saying, well, yeah, but if an asteroid is headed for Earth, then we have to shut everything down until we have more data.

00:06:28.000 Now, the happy medium of those positions is, okay, how about we shut everything down temporarily until we have the data, and then we ramp up the data right now, right?

00:06:34.000 The data is what we need.

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00:09:05.000 Alrighty, so back to some of the information about the modeling.

00:09:10.000 So when it comes to how we model this sort of stuff, there's a few statistics that we absolutely need that we don't actually have right now, and they can only be achieved if we go heavy on the data.

00:09:21.000 Right?

00:09:21.000 That's it.

00:09:21.000 Right now, our number one priority, other than just increasing ICU beds and ventilators and making sure the people who need the care get the care, should be the randomized testing.

00:09:30.000 It should be developing a serology test that can tell us how many people actually have this thing. 0.75

00:09:34.000 Because that's going to wildly change your strategy.

00:09:36.000 What if 50% of the American population already has this thing?

00:09:39.000 Right?

00:09:39.000 If 50% of the American population already has this thing, then you kind of just want people to go back to work, because then if they infect a few more people, you get herd immunity.

00:09:47.000 Right?

00:09:48.000 If only 10% of the American population has this thing, Maybe that changes your strategy in the other direction.

00:09:53.000 Or maybe you look at the infection rates versus the death rates and you say, okay, well, the death rates are actually not that high.

00:09:58.000 So we need to protect the most vulnerable and just assume that everybody's going to get it over the course of the year.

00:10:03.000 All of these questions cannot be answered absent the data.

00:10:06.000 So, as I've discussed before, when it comes to the case fatality rate, when it comes to how many people are dying from this and how communicable it is, we don't know the actual numerator.

00:10:14.000 There's an article in the Wall Street Journal today talking specifically about the fact that we actually don't know how many people have died from this thing.

00:10:22.000 We still are unclear on exactly how bad this thing could be.

00:10:26.000 Actually, the New York Times reports the U.S.

00:10:27.000 The U.S. is undercounting the number of people who have died in the pandemic, according to experts.

00:10:32.000 Quote, hospital officials, public health experts, medical examiners say official tallies of Americans said to have died in the pandemic do not capture the overall number of virus related deaths, leaving the public with a limited understanding of the outbreaks.

00:10:43.000 Limited resources and a patchwork of decision making from one state or county to the next have contributed to the undercount.

00:10:49.000 With no uniform system for reporting coronavirus-related deaths in the United States and a continuing shortage of tests, some states and counties have improvised, obfuscated, and at times backtracked in counting the dead.

00:11:00.000 Adding to the complications, different jurisdictions are using distinct standards for attributing a death to the coronavirus and, in some cases, relying on techniques that would lower the overall count of fatalities.

00:11:10.000 So people are dying, we're not actually testing them after they are dead.

00:11:13.000 Also, it's possible that we misidentified some people as having influenza or having pneumonia.

00:11:19.000 At the same time, it's possible that we're reclassifying in the other direction.

00:11:22.000 People who normally died of the flu, for example, do you classify them if they're 85 and they died after acquiring pneumonia after having the flu?

00:11:29.000 Do they die of pneumonia, the flu, or old age?

00:11:32.000 How you classify deaths actually makes a fairly large-scale difference in what these numbers look like.

00:11:37.000 If somebody is 91 and they pass away from shortness of breath and then afterward they are tested for coronavirus, did they die from coronavirus or did they die of the fact that they were extremely vulnerable to begin with?

00:11:47.000 Now normally we wouldn't bother testing those people but right now we are testing so it's possible that we are under counting.

00:11:52.000 It's also possible that we are over-counting by comparison with past death rates, meaning that, yeah, people are dying of coronavirus, but we're being very meticulous and overly meticulous maybe in how we count the coronavirus deaths as compared to past countings of deaths.

00:12:08.000 So the numerator is in controversy when we talk about how many people have actually died.

00:12:13.000 Then you have to worry about the denominator, and that's the one I've been focused on.

00:12:16.000 How do we know how many people have been infected?

00:12:18.000 You are seeing the case fatality rate, and the case fatality rate is how many people who are diagnosed with having this thing die.

00:12:23.000 And right now in the United States, the case fatality rate, as of over the weekend, was something we have like 9,600 people who have died in the United States, and we have, as a total number of infections, total cases, 338,899.

00:12:39.000 So just typing this into the computer, what you get is 388,899.

00:12:46.000 Basically, the case fatality rate in the United States is somewhere in the order of 2.5%, which sounds super duper high.

00:12:51.000 The problem is, a lot of people are asymptomatic.

00:12:53.000 A lot of people are not coming into the hospital.

00:12:55.000 The people who are coming in for the testing are the people with the most severe symptoms.

00:12:58.000 So, what exactly is the case fatality rate?

00:13:00.000 Case fatality rate is a bad measure.

00:13:02.000 In fact, number of cases identified is a bad measure.

00:13:05.000 Hospitalizations is a better measure, because it actually means an actual hard fact, how many people are going to the hospital.

00:13:10.000 But the denominator is in question.

00:13:12.000 So the numerator, how many people dead, is in question.

00:13:14.000 The denominator, how many people actually have this thing, is in question.

00:13:18.000 And then, we actually don't know how the virus is spread, because you're hearing everything from, if somebody breathes on you, within a 15 mile radius, you're gonna die.

00:13:27.000 Or you could be just walking along the street and you slip and your hand touches a pole and suddenly there's coronavirus on your hand, you wipe your mouth and you're dead.

00:13:36.000 We just don't know exactly how well this thing is spread.

00:13:39.000 Best available data seems to suggest that you're basically okay unless someone coughs directly in your face and you're within six feet.

00:13:45.000 Or unless you are wiping your face constantly, if you're taking your hands and putting them on your face constantly.

00:13:50.000 So if you hand wash a lot and you don't touch your face, your chances of getting this thing are extraordinarily low.

00:13:54.000 Unless someone spits or coughs directly in your face.

00:13:57.000 One of the bad cases of an outbreak actually happened at a choir practice in Washington state.

00:14:02.000 The reason being at a choir practice, what is everybody doing, right?

00:14:05.000 Everybody is projecting, everybody is singing very, very loudly.

00:14:07.000 They're spitting, right?

00:14:08.000 That's like, you should see my screen after the show, right?

00:14:11.000 There's a lot of saliva on the screen.

00:14:14.000 Because when you project over the course of three hours, what you end up with is having to wipe down your screen.

00:14:19.000 Well, if you're singing in a crowded area, that's a problem.

00:14:22.000 So all of this will lead to better methods.

00:14:24.000 But what we need right now is knowing exactly how this is done.

00:14:28.000 First of all, better reporting methods from the states and localities.

00:14:30.000 We need to know how many people are actually dead of coronavirus and how those numbers are reached.

00:14:35.000 We have to fix the denominator.

00:14:37.000 We now have apparently approved and verified antibody tests.

00:14:41.000 We could get randomized antibody tests and that would tell you how many people have already had it.

00:14:45.000 So if you combine antibody tests with the actual coronavirus test and you did it in a randomized sample size, you can actually tell how far, how fast this thing is spreading, particularly in urban areas.

00:14:58.000 And they're saying these antibody tests are pretty good.

00:15:00.000 They're saying they're about 95% effective.

00:15:02.000 By the way, it's a lot more effective than the actual virus test.

00:15:05.000 The actual virus tests apparently have like a 20% false positive rate or a false negative rate, which is really insane.

00:15:10.000 You could go in with coronavirus, take a test, they tell you you're all good to go.

00:15:12.000 You go home and you infect your entire family.

00:15:15.000 So that would tell you exactly, once you have the denominator number, then you can actually tell what are the hospitalization rates versus the overall number.

00:15:24.000 And it's based on that number that people are now making projections as to how many ICU beds and ventilators are going to be needed.

00:15:31.000 Let's say right now that Andrew Cuomo, Governor Cuomo in New York, He's saying that he needs 30,000 ventilators.

00:15:38.000 That he desperately needs 30,000 ventilators.

00:15:40.000 And he is calculating that by looking at the case fatality rate, and he's saying that's the entirety of everybody who's been infected.

00:15:46.000 So we have 300, let's say that in New York State, we have... I can actually check the statistic really quickly as to how many people have been confirmed to have coronavirus in the state of New York.

00:15:58.000 In New York, that number at the moment, according again to the Johns Hopkins modeling and reporting, they say there are about 120,000 cases in New York.

00:16:06.000 And they've had a grand total of 4,159 deaths.

00:16:10.000 Right, so let's say that, how many people are in New York State?

00:16:13.000 What's the total population of New York?

00:16:15.000 Population of New York is...

00:16:19.000 The total population of New York State is 8.6.

00:16:21.000 Well, is that the city?

00:16:23.000 That's the city, New York State.

00:16:25.000 The total population of New York State is 20 million.

00:16:28.000 It's about 20 million.

00:16:29.000 So you figure 120,000 people have been confirmed to have this thing in a state of 20 million people.

00:16:34.000 The case fatality rate right now is approximately 4,100.

00:16:42.000 So the case fatality rate in New York City, in New York State right now is about 3.3%.

00:16:47.000 So if you figure 3.3% times 20 million, then what you end up with is a need for, you know, tens and tens and tens of thousands of ventilators.

00:17:00.000 He figured that everybody who died needed a ventilator, so if that case fatality rate is 20 million times .03, then you are talking about a need for 600,000 beds probably?

00:17:11.000 Okay, so he's figuring that not everybody is going to get it.

00:17:13.000 Still, If you figured that only the people who are tested were the ones who are going to get it, you're going to end up with this extraordinarily high-end estimate for how many beds and ventilators you need.

00:17:22.000 But what if that statistic isn't showing that tons of people in New York have already had this thing?

00:17:27.000 Then you could actually lower the number of beds and ventilators that are necessary, and it doesn't look like 30,000.

00:17:31.000 Instead, it looks like a lot lower than that, right?

00:17:34.000 If you knew that the true number of New Yorkers infected is already 20 times higher than the number of people who they think are infected, Well, that would completely lower the number of ventilators and beds you need.

00:17:43.000 So all of this data is super important and the government needs to do it now.

00:17:47.000 We need large-scale antibody testing.

00:17:49.000 We need large-scale serology.

00:17:51.000 We need large-scale baseline coronavirus testing and randomized across the country so we actually can do it like polling, right?

00:17:57.000 We actually need it in different places in the country so we can tell how fast this thing is spreading.

00:18:01.000 And we need to know this stuff yesterday, right?

00:18:05.000 And you're starting to see that this call is going out from pretty much everybody.

00:18:09.000 Again, Bill Gates has been suggesting that he thinks, actually, that fewer people than the models show are going to die because he thinks that we're being pretty successful at, quote unquote, flattening the curve.

00:18:20.000 Here was Bill Gates yesterday saying that, well, we all need to stay home.

00:18:23.000 The outbreak, you know, he thinks it'll get worse, but it doesn't mean that the numbers are going to be as bad as we've been led to believe.

00:18:29.000 If we continue countrywide, and we're testing the right people to understand what's going on, which is not the case yet, those numbers will start to go down, and then...

00:18:41.000 We can look at some degree of opening back up.

00:18:44.000 President Trump's top health advisors are talking about somewhere between 100 and 240,000 deaths over the next two months.

00:18:54.000 Does that sound about right to you in terms of the lethality and the length of the outbreak here in the U.S.? ?

00:19:04.000 Well, if we do the social distancing properly, we should be able to get out of this with a death number well short of that.

00:19:14.000 Okay, now Gates has been calling for this 10-week shutdown, but the truth is that Gates isn't the one paying the economic price on that on a personal level.

00:19:20.000 I mean, his company, obviously, is just like all major companies are.

00:19:24.000 We all want to get out of this thing as fast as possible, I would hope, and that means that you need all of this testing ASAP.

00:19:28.000 Okay, we're going to get to some of these methodologies and what this week is supposed to look like.

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00:21:08.000 Okay, so where are things going to go in the near future?

00:21:11.000 Well, As I say, the curve is being bent.

00:21:16.000 There is some good news.

00:21:17.000 There is some news out of Italy that it looks like they may have already hit their height.

00:21:22.000 The Dow has jumped pretty significantly this morning, thanks to news that people may be looking at different countries coming out of this thing.

00:21:31.000 Apparently, the situation in Italy is starting to look a hell of a lot better.

00:21:37.000 According to Reuters, Italy reported its lowest daily COVID-19 death toll for more than two weeks on Sunday as authorities began to look ahead to a second phase of the battle against the new coronavirus once the lockdown imposed almost a month ago is eventually eased.

00:21:50.000 The toll from the world's deadliest outbreak reached 15,887, which is a quarter of the global death toll, but the rise of 525 from a day earlier was the smallest daily increase since March 19.

00:21:59.000 The number of patients in badly stretched intensive care units fell for a second day running.

00:22:04.000 Silvio Brusaferro, the head of the Istituto Superiore di Sanità, Italy's top health institute, I'm sure I botched that, says, the curve has reached a plateau and begun to descend.

00:22:14.000 It is a result that we have to achieve day after day.

00:22:16.000 He says, if this is true, we need to start thinking about a second phase and keep down the spread of the disease.

00:22:22.000 So you're starting to see that in Italy.

00:22:24.000 You're starting to see that in France, apparently.

00:22:26.000 You're starting to see it in Spain as well.

00:22:30.000 Meanwhile in Great Britain, in bad news, Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, has been hospitalized.

00:22:34.000 Now they say that that is more precautionary than anything else.

00:22:36.000 He's the Prime Minister.

00:22:37.000 And so they want to make sure that he has all of the needs that he has at his disposal.

00:22:43.000 This actually led Queen Elizabeth to speak.

00:22:46.000 This is only the fourth time she's given a public speech in her entire career.

00:22:49.000 So it shows you how severe the folks in the British government think this is.

00:22:52.000 Here's Queen Elizabeth basically telling everybody to hold it together.

00:22:56.000 I hope in the years to come, everyone will be able to take pride in how they responded to this challenge.

00:23:03.000 And those who come after us will say the Britons of this generation were as strong as any.

00:23:10.000 That the attributes of self-discipline, of quiet, good-humoured resolve and of fellow-feeling still characterise this country.

00:23:21.000 The pride in who we are is not a part of our past.

00:23:26.000 It defines our present and our future.

00:23:30.000 She's terrific.

00:23:30.000 You gotta love her.

00:23:31.000 You gotta love the Brits. 1.00

00:23:32.000 And obviously, everybody's saying prayers for Boris Johnson and for everybody who is suffering under this epidemic.

00:23:39.000 Now, in Japan, they are worried about a critical situation.

00:23:43.000 They may declare an emergency as early as Tuesday.

00:23:45.000 The early news from Japan was they'd held this thing down well.

00:23:48.000 But again, a hotspot can rage this thing out of control fairly quickly.

00:23:52.000 We'll bring you all the news from New York and from the White House in just one second.

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00:24:55.000 In some cases, we're telling governors, we can't go there because we don't think you need it and we think someplace else needs it.

00:25:00.000 parts, write Shapiro in there.

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00:25:03.000 So they know that we sent you.

00:25:05.000 So the prediction in the United States, of course, is this is going to be a really bad week.

00:25:05.000 Okay.

00:25:09.000 President Trump, over the weekend, he said there is going to be a lot of death this week.

00:25:13.000 In some cases, we're telling governors, we can't go there because we don't think you need it, and we think someplace else needs it.

00:25:20.000 And pretty much so far, we've been right about that.

00:25:23.000 And we'll continue to do it as it really gets This will be probably the toughest week between this week and next week.

00:25:33.000 And there'll be a lot of death, unfortunately, but a lot less death than if this wasn't done.

00:25:39.000 But there will be death.

00:25:41.000 Well, Anthony Fauci says the same thing.

00:25:43.000 He says this is indeed going to be a very bad weekend.

00:25:46.000 And of course, these projections, we'll see how bad the actual death tolls are.

00:25:50.000 Do they match up with the projections, right?

00:25:52.000 The projection from that University of Washington model that I spoke about before, which says higher peak but lesser duration, they suggest that 10 days away, there will be about over 3,000 Americans will die in one day, according to that data.

00:26:05.000 In New York, however, they're suggesting that as early as Thursday, there will be a pinnacle in New York City.

00:26:10.000 That's what Andrew Cuomo has suggested.

00:26:12.000 He says there will be 878 deaths that day.

00:26:14.000 Of course, we'll see how the models hold up in the midst of all of this.

00:26:18.000 Here's Anthony Fauci suggesting that this will indeed be a very bad week.

00:26:22.000 Well, this is going to be a bad week, Margaret, unfortunately.

00:26:25.000 If you look at the projection of the curves, of the kinetics of the curves, we're going to continue to see an escalation.

00:26:32.000 Also, we should hope that within a week, or maybe a little bit more, we'll start to see a flattening out of the curve and coming down.

00:26:42.000 The mitigation that we're talking about that you just mentioned is absolutely key to the success of that.

00:26:49.000 So, on the one hand, things are going to get bad and we need to be prepared for that.

00:26:53.000 It is going to be shocking to some.

00:26:56.000 Surgeon General Jerome Adams said the same thing.

00:26:58.000 He compared this week to 9-11 or Pearl Harbor, suggesting that Americans are going to see mass death and really bad numbers.

00:27:05.000 And again, those are the best available studies.

00:27:07.000 That is the suggestion.

00:27:09.000 We will see, you know, how long the duration is or whether the numbers end up looking exactly like that University of Washington model, which by the way, I will say overall, again, has been reduced down from 94,000 dead by August.

00:27:18.000 I mean, it's hard to say these are good numbers because they're not.

00:27:21.000 But has been reduced down from 94,000 dead expected by the beginning of August to 81,000 dead and that happened just over the course of the weekend.

00:27:27.000 Here's the Surgeon General.

00:27:28.000 Well, it's tragically fitting that we're talking at the beginning of Holy Week, because this is going to be the hardest and the saddest week of most Americans' lives, quite frankly.

00:27:37.000 This is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment, our 9-11 moment, only it's not going to be localized.

00:27:42.000 It's going to be happening all over the country, and I want America to understand that.

00:27:47.000 But I also want them to understand that the public, along with the state and the federal government, have the power to change the trajectory of this epidemic.

00:27:55.000 Meanwhile, states are suggesting that they are running low on supplies across the board.

00:27:59.000 That has to be top priority, is making sure that the states get those supplies.

00:28:04.000 Again, the whole purpose of flattening the curve is to get it underneath that line.

00:28:07.000 Here's Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, suggesting that they are running short on supplies across the board, although he did say that they're not short on hospital beds.

00:28:13.000 He was asked about hospital beds.

00:28:14.000 He said, we don't have a problem with hospital beds.

00:28:15.000 We do have a problem with ICUs and we have a problem with ventilators.

00:28:18.000 We're running short on supplies all across the board.

00:28:22.000 Some hospitals happen to have a greater supply of one thing or another.

00:28:26.000 One hospital has a greater supply of masks.

00:28:28.000 One hospital has a greater supply of gowns.

00:28:31.000 And when we're talking about supply, hospitals are accustomed to dealing with 60-day supply, 90-day supply.

00:28:35.000 90-day supply.

00:28:37.000 We're talking about two or three or four-day supply, which makes the entire hospital system uncomfortable, which I also understand, because we're literally going day-to-day with our supplies, with our staff, etc. because we're literally going day-to-day with our supplies, with our The Louisiana governor has said the same thing as well, by the way.

00:28:58.000 John Bel Edwards.

00:28:59.000 He says we could run out of ventilators this week.

00:29:01.000 Every day we get new information that informs our modeling.

00:29:05.000 We now think it's probably around the 9th of April before we exceed our ventilator capacity based on the current number on hand, and that we're a couple of days behind that on ICU bed capacity being exceeded.

00:29:17.000 So as we achieve success in slowing the rate of spread, we also push out that date and Critically important is the number of people who will present to the hospital and not be able to get a vent or a bed is a smaller number.

00:29:33.000 Okay, meanwhile, the economy obviously has been taken completely offline.

00:29:38.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, we've actually seen one quarter of the entire American economy taken offline simply by the state shutdowns.

00:29:44.000 They say at least one quarter of the U.S.

00:29:45.000 economy has suddenly gone idle amid the coronavirus pandemic.

00:29:48.000 According to analysis conducted by the Wall Street Journal, An unprecedented shutdown of commerce that economists say has never occurred on such a wide scale.

00:29:55.000 8 out of 10 U.S.

00:29:56.000 counties are under lockdown orders.

00:29:58.000 This represents nearly 96% of national output.

00:30:01.000 The study was done by Moody's Analytics.

00:30:03.000 The counties that have not been put under shutdown order tend to be the ones that are less urban, a little bit more rural.

00:30:08.000 41 states have ordered at least some businesses to close to reduce the spread of coronavirus, according to Moody's.

00:30:13.000 Restaurants, universities, gyms, movie theaters, public parks, boutiques, millions of other non-essential business quote-unquote non-essential businesses have shut off the lights as a result.

00:30:21.000 And we have seen one loss of the estimate is 25% of the American economy right off the top.

00:30:27.000 The unemployment statistics are absolutely astounding.

00:30:29.000 We are expected to hit 28 million unemployed over the course of the next three to four weeks.

00:30:34.000 And then the question becomes, okay, when can we all go back to work?

00:30:37.000 That is the big question.

00:30:37.000 I suggested early on that We are going to know the answer to that when we have more data.

00:30:43.000 And once we have that data in, then we're going to have to start making trade-offs and calculations.

00:30:46.000 That is the reality of the situation.

00:30:48.000 Right now, basically the case for us all staying home is asteroid headed for Earth could kill 2.2 million Americans based on that Imperial College model.

00:30:56.000 That was the initial estimate.

00:30:58.000 And so the idea was, okay, if we have to shut down for a month to prevent one in 150 Americans from dying, then let's go ahead and do that.

00:31:05.000 But as more data pours in, And as the numbers show that they are significantly less than 2.2 million, right?

00:31:12.000 We are going to have to figure out exactly what we are willing to sacrifice as a society on an economic level and on a lifestyle level and on a freedom level.

00:31:20.000 Because freedom does matter, by the way.

00:31:22.000 Right, I mean, let's put this in a slightly different way.

00:31:25.000 If the United States were invaded, and the people who were invading were going to suggest that from now on, you were not able to go to public events and you were going to be confined to your home for the foreseeable future, and it was going to cost us a certain number of lives in order to prevent that invasion, what number of lives would you actually sacrifice in order to do that?

00:31:42.000 Now, this is not that, because again, the hope is that we don't end up in that situation.

00:31:45.000 The hope is that this is not indefinite, that this is actually quite definite.

00:31:49.000 And as the data comes in, that's why we have to have a plan to get out of this, because the more it looks indefinite, the more it looks like we're going to have to make hard trade-offs.

00:31:55.000 Right now, this is why you need to gather data, because you don't want to have to make those choices between how many lives we have to sacrifice and how many people can we allow to go back to work and lead their lifestyle and go out and be free in a free society.

00:32:08.000 You don't want to have to make those calculations.

00:32:09.000 And so the first priority of the Trump administration, aside from just ensuring that whatever ventilators are out there get to the right places, the first priority is the data.

00:32:17.000 And if governors and states and the federal government are not prioritizing the data, it's because they don't care enough about your freedoms.

00:32:24.000 Okay, the data are key.

00:32:26.000 Absolutely key.

00:32:27.000 We'll get to more of this in just one second.

00:32:29.000 Because look, we all know what the government has to do when it comes to mobilizing the resources.

00:32:33.000 We're all on the same page here.

00:32:35.000 The question is how we get out of this thing now, and how we make the calculations as to how we get out of this thing.

00:32:40.000 So now I'm back where I was on Friday, where I was saying we don't have the data to know how to get out of this thing.

00:32:44.000 They better come up with it forthwith, because as this thing begins to look indefinite, as this begins to look like, okay, we're gonna lock down indefinitely until a vaccine is developed next year, And it could be seasonal, and it comes back in the fall, and we're gonna lock back down, and what does a non-lockdown America even look like?

00:32:59.000 More and more Americans are gonna say, hold up a second, you expect me to indefinitely give up my freedom?

00:33:03.000 And you expect me to do that on the basis of what now?

00:33:06.000 And how many lives?

00:33:08.000 And from whom?

00:33:09.000 Because, by the way, that does make a difference.

00:33:11.000 Every life matters, but on an economic level, somebody passing away at the age of 95 is not quite the same thing as somebody passing away at the age of 20.

00:33:20.000 If this were striking children, I think the amount of panic in the United States would be eight times the amount of panic that exists right now, and there's a fair amount of panic right now.

00:33:28.000 And to pretend, by the way, that these calculations don't go on on a daily basis by the government is just silly.

00:33:32.000 Literally every public policy professional makes these sorts of calculations on an economic GDP level and on a lifestyle level, because economics is a real life factor.

00:33:42.000 For those who don't believe that, I suggest that you hand out your bank account number right now, and then we'll see if the economy actually affects you or not.

00:33:49.000 All right, public bank account number and your PIN.

00:33:51.000 And then we'll see if you think that economics is real or if it's just a social construct.

00:33:54.000 We'll get to more of this in just one second.

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00:35:01.000 Alrighty, in just one second, we are going to get to more of the proposed solutions, plus President Trump going at it with the media.

00:35:08.000 When it comes to politics, the real question is going to become how much of this is permanent and how much of this is temporary, because Conservatives slash libertarians like me, even I am willing to go along with the temporary.

00:35:18.000 I am not willing to go along with the permanent.

00:35:20.000 And I'm not willing to go along with the idea that we're going to radically transform America's economy, our relationship with the government on the basis of uncertain data.

00:35:31.000 I mean, I'll let you have the period of time to get your data together, guys.

00:35:34.000 I'm willing to trust the experts until you get the data together.

00:35:36.000 But you can't keep kicking it down the road.

00:35:38.000 You can't keep telling me it'll take you six months to gather the data.

00:35:41.000 Because at that point, you're looking at the making permanent of things that were once temporary.

00:35:45.000 I understand the idea of temporary.

00:35:47.000 Most people do.

00:35:48.000 In the middle of a war, people make sacrifices.

00:35:50.000 But that's with the understanding that the war eventually ends.

00:35:52.000 If the war never ends, people are gonna start rethinking that stuff pretty damn fast.

00:35:56.000 And we're gonna get to more of this in just one second because this does implicate some broader conversations about the future of the country and where we go from here.

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00:36:43.000 So as Scott Gottlieb is saying, one of the other solutions that needs to be brought to Bayer here is not just ICU beds and ventilators, but new treatments.

00:37:00.000 Gottlieb says some imagine coronavirus will run its tragic course in the spring with direct the diverse results avoided by intense social distancing and then our lives can more or less return to normal.

00:37:09.000 He says that's not realistic.

00:37:11.000 Even if new cases start to stall in the summer heat, the virus will then return in the fall.

00:37:14.000 So the fresh risk of large outbreaks and even a new epidemic, people will still be reluctant to crowd into stores, restaurants or arenas.

00:37:20.000 Schools may remain closed.

00:37:21.000 The public's fears won't relent simply because there are fewer new cases.

00:37:24.000 We'll be running an 80% economy.

00:37:26.000 He says the only way out is with technology.

00:37:28.000 Aggressive surveillance and screening can help warn of new infection clusters that could turn into outbreaks, but that won't be enough.

00:37:33.000 A vaccine could beat the virus.

00:37:34.000 There won't be one this year.

00:37:36.000 The best near-term hope is an effective therapeutic drug.

00:37:38.000 That would be transformative.

00:37:39.000 It's plausible as soon as this summer, but the process will have to move faster.

00:37:44.000 There are a few different possibilities.

00:37:47.000 Dozens of promising antiviral drugs, says Gottlieb, are in various stages of development, could be advanced quickly.

00:37:52.000 The one furthest along is remdesivir from Gilead Sciences.

00:37:56.000 There's evidence from clinical experience with COVID-19 patients it could be effective.

00:38:00.000 The other approach involves antibody drugs, which mimic the function of immune cells.

00:38:05.000 Antibody drugs are based on the same scientific principles that make convalescent plasma one interim tactic for treating the sickest COVID-19 patients.

00:38:13.000 The biotech company Regeneron successfully developed an antibody drug to treat Ebola as well as one against MERS, and they're working on one that could hit human trials as soon as June.

00:38:21.000 But we're going to need to see all of this speed up.

00:38:23.000 Also, there's talk About hydroxychloroquine, the media again trying to generate all sorts of controversy about this.

00:38:30.000 Anthony Fauci apparently got in a big argument with the head of trade, Peter Navarro, who again, like I'm not sure what he has to say about hydroxychloroquine.

00:38:38.000 Fauci correctly says that the data is anecdotal at this point and people are upset with Fauci for saying that.

00:38:44.000 The data can be anecdotal and also it might be the best option we have.

00:38:47.000 Both of those things could be true, right?

00:38:48.000 Just because there has been no large-scale clinical trial and very small-scale clinical trials.

00:38:52.000 Just because there's been no large-scale clinical trial does not mean that when people are losing lung function, they're going to sit around going, oh, well, you know, I think that maybe I need the clinical trial before you give me the hydroxychloroquine.

00:39:02.000 That's not how any of this is working.

00:39:05.000 Again, the measures that have to be taken, ICU beds, ventilators, new drugs developed.

00:39:08.000 And then the question becomes, if that's not going to happen by the fall, how do we reopen the economy?

00:39:14.000 The question right now is not why there is no... Everyone's focused on the here and now.

00:39:18.000 I get it.

00:39:18.000 Everybody is focused on Should we have a national lockdown order?

00:39:21.000 Should we batten down the hatches like totally right now?

00:39:24.000 And the answer is, I don't think so on the national lockdown order because every area of the United States is different.

00:39:29.000 And I'm not going to treat a rural area the same that I would treat an urban area.

00:39:33.000 They're not quite the same.

00:39:34.000 And they're not quite the same.

00:39:35.000 And the level of transmission from rural to urban right now is actually fairly low.

00:39:39.000 I saw this bizarre map that somebody was putting out the other day about the distances from their homes that people were driving.

00:39:46.000 And in the South, people are driving longer distances away from their homes.

00:39:49.000 The suggestion being that they were going and like, what, were they going and spitting on people?

00:39:53.000 I went for a drive with my kids yesterday.

00:39:56.000 We probably drove for 45 minutes.

00:39:58.000 So what?

00:39:58.000 We didn't get out of the car.

00:40:00.000 It doesn't mean that we're going around infecting people.

00:40:03.000 With all of that said, the priority has to be reopening the economy as soon as we have the data to suggest exactly how we make that happen.

00:40:10.000 So here's President Trump over the weekend again getting bashed for this.

00:40:12.000 He says we have to reopen our economy.

00:40:14.000 It does matter.

00:40:14.000 Of course it matters.

00:40:15.000 And anybody who pretends it doesn't matter is really making me suspicious at this point.

00:40:21.000 Trump is not saying when we reopen our economy.

00:40:23.000 Trump is not saying that we're going to reopen our economy tomorrow.

00:40:26.000 He is saying that he has to have that first and foremost in his mind.

00:40:29.000 By the way, one of the reasons why he is saying this is because on the back of every crisis, there is an attempt to radically transform America.

00:40:35.000 This happened in the aftermath of the Great Depression, a radical transformation in the lives of Americans between the relationship between government, federal, state, local, and human beings.

00:40:44.000 This happened in the aftermath of 9-11 with regard to our security.

00:40:48.000 Right?

00:40:49.000 Suddenly people were just willing to accept a lot more surveillance in their lives than ever they had been willing to accept before.

00:40:53.000 And now, they're starting to backtrack that, right?

00:40:55.000 Now people are like, oh, well, maybe that wasn't such a great idea.

00:40:58.000 In the aftermath of every crisis, there is an attempt to radically grow government on a permanent level.

00:41:03.000 And that's just a normal human response, because you want to prevent the bad thing from happening again.

00:41:07.000 Well, in this case, where you have the largest government reaction in the history of the United States, The prospect of that being made into a permanent feature of the American landscape is pretty scary, and it's one of the reasons why we should be looking to get out of this as fast as humanly possible.

00:41:21.000 Let me give you an example.

00:41:22.000 So, Andrew Yang, right?

00:41:24.000 My boy, Andrew Yang.

00:41:24.000 I like Andrew, right?

00:41:25.000 Andrew's a really good guy.

00:41:26.000 He was promoting universal basic income, like, two, like, years ago, right?

00:41:30.000 He comes on the Sunday special, we have a full hour-long conversation.

00:41:33.000 And the case that Andrew is making is that technology is going to put every low-wage worker out of work, and so we have to provide a universal basic income for those people so they have something to live on.

00:41:41.000 And I said to him at the time, there's not a lot of evidence this is happening.

00:41:44.000 We have a 4% unemployment rate in the country.

00:41:47.000 We have more jobs open than there are people to fill those jobs.

00:41:51.000 We do not have this vast underclass of people who are unemployable or unemployed.

00:41:54.000 In fact, wages were rising fastest for people at the bottom in terms of blue collar wages as a percentage.

00:42:00.000 They're rising very quickly for people at the bottom under President Trump's presidency up until this point.

00:42:05.000 Now you have this vast shutdown.

00:42:06.000 Nearly everybody who's losing their job is somebody who's in a blue collar job.

00:42:10.000 Somebody who's earning not a lot of money.

00:42:11.000 People who work at restaurants.

00:42:13.000 People who are working in domestic industries.

00:42:17.000 People who are working at hotels.

00:42:19.000 All those people are out of work right now.

00:42:21.000 You just threw 30 million people out of work.

00:42:23.000 Of those 30 million people, probably 25 million of those people were lower wage, mid to low wage, or lower income workers.

00:42:32.000 So you just accomplished, in literally a week, what Andrew Yang was predicting was going to happen over the course of 10 years.

00:42:38.000 Okay, so if you don't want to see a vast underclass of Americans who are just supported purely by the government, you need this economy up and running fast.

00:42:46.000 And not only that, you need people to rely on capitalism.

00:42:49.000 You need people to get back to the model of, yeah, capitalism is great.

00:42:52.000 It's what allows me to work.

00:42:53.000 It's what allows me to get out there and earn.

00:42:56.000 What you don't want is the government coming in, forcibly shutting down the entire economy, throwing 30 million people out of work, and then all those people have no choice but to vote for bigger governments.

00:43:04.000 They have no choice but to vote for a government that's going to fill the gap created by the government in the first place.

00:43:09.000 I've been willing to go along this whole time with the government drives that Ford F-150 through the front wall of your house, now they got to repay you for that?

00:43:17.000 But what if the government just leaves the Ford F-150 there?

00:43:17.000 That's fine.

00:43:21.000 What if the damage done by the Ford F-150 is so grave to the front wall of your home that the government isn't going to offer you a repayment to rebuild your home?

00:43:27.000 They're not going to allow you to rebuild your home, in fact, because the economy's been stalled for too long.

00:43:33.000 And because they need these temporary shutdowns that become permanent shutdowns.

00:43:36.000 And so instead what they say is, okay, we're going to put you up in government housing.

00:43:39.000 Sorry, you're going to have to move out of that house that we wrecked, but we've got this really nice housing tenement in the project and you're going to have to go there.

00:43:47.000 And people say, okay, well, I have no alternative.

00:43:48.000 So I guess I am going to have to take that, right?

00:43:51.000 That is the danger here is that people start to radically rethink capitalism, even though it wasn't capitalism that failed here.

00:43:57.000 What failed here was a global health shock followed by heavy government action.

00:44:03.000 And if that becomes permanent, that is a real danger.

00:44:06.000 And so, I am not willing to allow that to become permanent.

00:44:09.000 I'm not willing to allow the government to become the chief breadwinner for all Americans and do so off the back of the people who are going to be left in the economy earning.

00:44:19.000 Not when the government created this situation in the first place.

00:44:22.000 I'm not willing to allow that to happen on a long-term basis.

00:44:24.000 Again, on a short-term basis, sometimes you got to do what you got to do, right?

00:44:28.000 Sometimes you got to shut down the schools.

00:44:29.000 Sometimes you got to shut, although I think there are serious questions as to whether that should have been done.

00:44:33.000 Sometimes you have to, you have to shut things down because you don't have any other better data.

00:44:37.000 But if it turns out that the data gathering is taking a year and this is becoming a permanent feature and that the idea is that we are now going to be levying wealth taxes on people and destroying entrepreneurial activity in this country and destroying every business in the country on the basis of we threw 30, 40, 50 million people out of work and the only place we can get the wealth because we can't sell our bonds anymore because nobody is buying bonds.

00:44:58.000 The only way to raise the money is either inflation or to confiscate wealth from the people who are going to produce all of the best products and hire all of these people back.

00:45:07.000 That's a radical reshift.

00:45:08.000 Okay, so Trump is not wrong.

00:45:10.000 When he says we have to reopen the economy, he is exactly right.

00:45:12.000 This is correct.

00:45:13.000 We will continue to use every power, every authority, every single resource we've got to keep our people healthy, safe, secure, and to get this thing over with.

00:45:23.000 We want to finish this war.

00:45:24.000 We have to get back to work.

00:45:25.000 We have to get, we have to open our country again.

00:45:28.000 We have to open our country again.

00:45:32.000 We don't want to be doing this for months and months and months.

00:45:37.000 We're going to open our country again.

00:45:39.000 This country wasn't meant for this.

00:45:42.000 Few were.

00:45:43.000 And President Trump continues.

00:45:44.000 He says the cure can't be worse than the problem.

00:45:46.000 And he's getting all sorts of flack for this.

00:45:47.000 I don't understand how this is even remotely controversial.

00:45:50.000 Of course the cure can't be worse than the problem.

00:45:52.000 The question is, how bad is the problem going to be?

00:45:54.000 And we don't know yet, right?

00:45:55.000 Once we know how bad the problem is going to be, then we know whether the cure is worse than the problem.

00:45:59.000 Right?

00:45:59.000 If you go into the doctor's office and you say, listen, I've been having some shortness of breath.

00:46:03.000 And the doctor says, okay, well, I'm going to need to put you on an anti-malarial drug and we're going to ventilate you.

00:46:08.000 And you're like, well, hold on.

00:46:09.000 You didn't even give me a coronavirus test yet.

00:46:11.000 I don't even know, like, what are you saying now?

00:46:13.000 Is the cure worse than the problem?

00:46:15.000 Who the hell knows?

00:46:16.000 We don't know the scope of the problem. 0.89

00:46:17.000 It could be you just had an asthma attack.

00:46:19.000 It could be that you got COVID, right?

00:46:21.000 Until we know the scope of the problem, it's hard to say whether the cure is worse than the problem.

00:46:24.000 Here's President Trump saying the cure can't be worse than the problem, which of course is true.

00:46:28.000 Get the data.

00:46:29.000 This is on the Trump administration.

00:46:30.000 Get the data.

00:46:31.000 I want to see antibody tests all over the country.

00:46:33.000 Randomized antibody tests all over the country.

00:46:35.000 We need randomized tests.

00:46:37.000 Coronavirus tests all over the country.

00:46:39.000 You're telling me that we're going to be able to roll out 750,000 tests every week and you can't spare 10,000 of those tests for just a randomized polling sample?

00:46:49.000 Or that you can't open up a data center where we actually learn what the conditions are of people who are dying from this thing?

00:46:55.000 Better data, better data, better data.

00:46:56.000 You don't want the cure to be worse than the problem.

00:46:58.000 We got to identify the problem.

00:46:59.000 You can do it fast.

00:47:00.000 It doesn't take that long.

00:47:01.000 Here's President Trump saying the cure can't be worse than the problem.

00:47:04.000 We have to open our country.

00:47:06.000 You know, I had an expression, the cure can't be worse than the problem itself, right?

00:47:12.000 I started by saying that.

00:47:14.000 And I continue to say it.

00:47:16.000 The cure cannot be worse than the problem itself.

00:47:19.000 We got to get our country open.

00:47:21.000 Okay, President Trump also says that he wants fans back in the arenas, which is true.

00:47:26.000 And then he's asked specifically like the media are they want they want Trump to—it's amazing. 0.92

00:47:31.000 At the same time, they're saying that Trump is completely incompetent and horrible at everything.

00:47:34.000 They're like, but what if you took everything over? 0.91

00:47:37.000 Could you make that happen?

00:47:38.000 Why don't you just nationalize the industries? 0.79

00:47:40.000 Why don't you just issue a national lockdown?

00:47:42.000 And Trump's like, we have something called the Constitution.

00:47:44.000 I'll tell you—I'm going to let Trump say this, and then I'm going to point something out, which should frighten everybody.

00:47:51.000 Okay, here's President Trump talking about the Constitution.

00:47:55.000 We have a thing called the Constitution, which I cherish, number one.

00:47:59.000 Number two, those governors, I know every one of them.

00:48:02.000 They're doing a great job.

00:48:04.000 They're being very, very successful in what they're doing.

00:48:08.000 And as you know, I want the governors to be running things.

00:48:11.000 Now, in some cases, we'll supersede.

00:48:13.000 But in this case, it's not.

00:48:15.000 I think it depends.

00:48:16.000 It depends on the individual state that you're talking about.

00:48:19.000 But they're doing very well and they're doing a magnificent job in running their states.

00:48:25.000 Okay, so, you know, he is not wrong about this.

00:48:28.000 I mean, a lot of these states are doing a good job and, you know, Ron DeSantis has been dragged over the coals because Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, refused a statewide shutdown.

00:48:35.000 There were shutdowns in place for three of the biggest counties in Florida.

00:48:38.000 I mean, that's a reality.

00:48:41.000 That's true.

00:48:41.000 Okay, so it's...

00:48:44.000 So here's the thing that should scare you.

00:48:46.000 If a Democrat were in charge right now, there's been a lot of talk about the political divide in the country.

00:48:50.000 If a Democrat were in charge right now and using this as an opportunity to make permanent all of this stuff, the amount of blowback would be intense. 0.97

00:48:56.000 The only reason there has not been the amount of blowback from Republican states that I think you would see if a Democrat were president is because people have the basic idea that Trump does not actually want the consequences of this stuff.

00:49:07.000 He doesn't want the government taking over the economy.

00:49:09.000 He doesn't want a complete radical rethink of the relationship between government and the economy.

00:49:13.000 The more that Democrats talk about how they want to radically reshift how all of this works, the more Democrats talk about how they want crisis politics to become the norm.

00:49:21.000 The more people are going to resist what needs to be done in the here and now.

00:49:26.000 So I think even Democrats should probably be grateful that a Republican is president right now, because whether you like Trump or not, the fact is that if you want people to lock down, they have to trust the leadership.

00:49:35.000 People have talked about, I don't trust Trump to handle this thing.

00:49:37.000 I think he's incompetent. 1.00

00:49:38.000 I think he's a blowhard. 1.00

00:49:39.000 Fine. 0.93

00:49:40.000 But there's one thing that most Americans do trust Trump with, and that is that he doesn't have the desire to watch the government completely take over American life.

00:49:47.000 And that is not something that most Americans think, I think, about Democrats.

00:49:50.000 I think that if Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden were president right now and talking about radically reshaping the nature of the American economy, the blowback would be a lot more severe.

00:49:58.000 The attempts to avoid the sort of necessaries here would be a lot more severe.

00:50:06.000 And it would be half right and half wrong.

00:50:07.000 It'd be wrong because you got to pay attention to the social distancing and you got, I mean, we're doing it in my house, right?

00:50:11.000 You got to pay attention to all of this stuff.

00:50:13.000 You got to follow the best advice.

00:50:14.000 You got to stop the spread and all of the rest.

00:50:17.000 But at the same time, they'd be half right in being a lot more impatient about how this thing has gone.

00:50:21.000 So I'm going to be consistent.

00:50:22.000 I'm very impatient with how this thing is going.

00:50:24.000 I want the data and I want it now.

00:50:26.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:50:28.000 So things that I like.

00:50:31.000 Right now is a time where you're just stuck inside watching kids movies, as I've mentioned.

00:50:35.000 There's a great kids movie that just came out.

00:50:37.000 It's been really underrated because it came out, like, right directly before the virus hit and shut down all the theaters.

00:50:43.000 But the last 30 minutes of this thing are just a killer.

00:50:46.000 It's Onward by Pixar.

00:50:48.000 And it wasn't rated super highly by critics.

00:50:50.000 Like, it did well with critics, but they were like, oh, this isn't in the top tier of Pixar films.

00:50:56.000 There are some moments in this that are on par with some of the best stuff in Op.

00:50:59.000 There's really some really good stuff here.

00:51:01.000 So the movie is onward, it's about basically a pair of brothers who are elves, and their dad died a while ago, and they are able to bring him back for a day, but they screw up the spell.

00:51:12.000 They're unable to actually bring his entire body back, and so they only bring back his legs, basically.

00:51:16.000 And so they have to go on a quest to bring back the rest of their dad before the day ends, and he can only come back for the day.

00:51:22.000 So it's actually pretty emotional.

00:51:24.000 Here's a little bit of the trailer.

00:51:28.000 Oh, feet! 0.91

00:51:31.000 It's getting harder to hold!

00:51:44.000 Ah, he's just legs!

00:51:45.000 I definitely remember Dad having a top part.

00:51:47.000 Oh, what did I do?

00:51:51.000 We only have 24 hours to bring the rest of him back.

00:51:55.000 Until then... Ta-da!

00:51:59.000 Oh, that's great!

00:52:00.000 Dad, you look just like I remember.

00:52:04.000 you got a problem chain if it's adventure you seek you've come to the right tavern Oh, my God.

00:52:30.000 Oh no.

00:52:34.000 So, the movie's actually really fun.

00:52:36.000 There's a lot to it, and it's fairly deep, so it's definitely worth checking out.

00:52:40.000 And one thing about Pixar is, again, when you watch the movies with your kids, you're enjoying it on one level, they're enjoying it on another, and it's pretty great.

00:52:47.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:52:53.000 So as I mentioned, one of the things that the Democrats are trying to do here, and it really is pretty gross, is that they are trying to mix two messages.

00:52:59.000 Message number one is that Trump is bad at this and incompetent, and message number two is that we need a permanent reshaping of the relationship between government and the American people.

00:53:09.000 So that's hard to do while Trump is president, because on the one hand you're saying he's incompetent, and on the other hand you're saying he should take ultimate power over everybody's destiny.

00:53:16.000 And that's a really hard message.

00:53:17.000 So instead, what they have said is, he's incompetent.

00:53:19.000 If he were competent, things would be great, which is why when you give us power, we're going to take over everything, and then we'll be competent, and then everything will be great.

00:53:26.000 Now, as I've pointed out, everybody was getting this wrong for, like, weeks on end.

00:53:30.000 Right?

00:53:31.000 Like, everybody was getting this wrong for a very long time.

00:53:33.000 And then, in early March, when the testing started to ramp up and it started to become clear what exactly was happening, then everybody started to take this a lot more seriously.

00:53:42.000 And that is because failures of information exist on the private level.

00:53:45.000 They exist in the public level.

00:53:48.000 I mean, the testing information as of late February was pretty nebulous.

00:53:52.000 I was saying that there wasn't a lot of evidence that a pandemic was in the offing like late February.

00:53:55.000 And I was saying that because the testing information at that point did not have tons of evidence that a pandemic was in the offing.

00:54:00.000 I said, things could change.

00:54:01.000 They did change.

00:54:02.000 A pandemic was in the offing, obviously.

00:54:03.000 The WHO had not declared it a pandemic at that point.

00:54:06.000 So when it comes to competence, everybody Right-left center is fairly equally incompetent, right?

00:54:12.000 Everybody gets things wrong.

00:54:13.000 But Democrats want to make the case that government is uniquely good at things.

00:54:17.000 It's just that Trump is uniquely bad at things.

00:54:19.000 Because if they say that government is uniquely good at things, then people go, wait, but aren't you also saying that the government is sucking this up like being terrible?

00:54:26.000 And the Democrats' answer is, no, no, no.

00:54:27.000 If it weren't for Trump, government would be doing an excellent job.

00:54:30.000 And that's why you're seeing them point to Cuomo, because Cuomo keeps saying, yeah, sure, like, New York is a hotspot and a hotbed, and de Blasio blew it in the city, and my policies may not have been all that great.

00:54:39.000 But Trump, but Trump, but Trump is an all-purpose defense for the fact that government generally, right, left, and center, is not very good at things.

00:54:46.000 So they've been pushing this dual message, which is Trump is incompetent, and also we need to radically reshift how things are done in the United States.

00:54:54.000 So Rahm Emanuel, the former Obama chief of staff, former mayor of Chicago, he says that this really is just a matter, Biden versus Trump is really just competence versus incompetence.

00:55:04.000 This is revealed character.

00:55:05.000 And in many ways, while you can have a lot of different policies, it's going to be the qualities of the individual come forward.

00:55:10.000 And I think in the contrast here, and this is not just because I'm a Democrat, you have competence versus incompetence.

00:55:15.000 You have trustworthiness versus actually constantly spin.

00:55:19.000 And you have actually the most important quality, which is the ability of a president to be empathetic to the people that they lead versus, I think, something coming out of the White House of constant indifference and constant conflict and fighting.

00:55:32.000 Okay, so again, it's competence versus incompetence.

00:55:36.000 There's only one problem.

00:55:37.000 The Democrats have been incompetent on this all the way through, too.

00:55:40.000 Again, de Blasio was mayor of New York.

00:55:42.000 The mayor of New Orleans was telling people to go out and celebrate Mardi Gras.

00:55:45.000 Nancy Pelosi, in late February, was telling people they ought to go down to Chinatown and hang out.

00:55:50.000 Like the incompetence runs across the island.

00:55:53.000 If you want to say that Joe Biden is supremely competent, again, I'm not seeing the evidence on this.

00:55:58.000 Over the weekend, Joe Biden was criticizing Donald Trump for being too slow on the China travel ban.

00:56:02.000 In January, he was ripping him as a xenophobe for it.

00:56:06.000 In January, Joe Biden was saying that Trump never should have had any sort of travel ban from China.

00:56:12.000 For weeks, he has been, as Guy Benson says at town hall, reactive, repeatedly, almost comically recommending courses of action the Trump administration had already pursued or implemented.

00:56:20.000 Well, on Friday, the former VP supported, he actually turned and supported Trump's January 31st decision to ban foreign nationals.

00:56:28.000 Suddenly, Kate Bedingfield, Biden's deputy campaign manager, said, He opposed the European travel ban.

00:56:38.000 He opposed the China travel ban.

00:56:42.000 And now he's trying to shift it and say, Oh, well, you know, it's just, I was just upset that Trump didn't do it sooner.

00:56:47.000 What the living hell? 0.93

00:56:48.000 Here's Joe Biden being incompetent and proving the point. 1.00

00:56:50.000 Everybody's incompetent.

00:56:51.000 You have to move swiftly and we have to move more rapidly.

00:56:54.000 You have to implement the Defense Production Act, empower a supply commander, create a Defense Production Act for banks to get out small business loans, ramp up testing, a whole range of things.

00:57:08.000 You got to go faster than slower and we started off awfully slow.

00:57:12.000 You know, 45 nations had already moved to keep, block China's personnel from being able to come to the United States before the president moved.

00:57:23.000 So it's just, it's about pace.

00:57:25.000 It's about, it's about the urgency.

00:57:27.000 And I don't think there's been enough of it.

00:57:29.000 Switched it, right?

00:57:30.000 He's switching it.

00:57:31.000 He opposed it.

00:57:32.000 And now it's like, oh, he didn't do it sooner.

00:57:33.000 Right, because if Trump had said he wanted to ban travel from China, like early January, I'm sure Biden would have been all over that.

00:57:38.000 Okay, bottom line is incompetence is bipartisan.

00:57:42.000 That's one thing you can guarantee about human beings, no matter their industries, they will make mistakes.

00:57:47.000 But, I mean, speaking of incompetence, by the way, and just sheer political brazenness, Biden, over the weekend, he was ripping into Trump because the Defense Department fired this Navy captain.

00:57:58.000 Why?

00:57:58.000 Because he decided to email everybody on his email chain and say, we need to shut down this entire battle carrier.

00:58:03.000 That's the reason he was fired.

00:58:04.000 Not because he was recommending up the chain that they needed to control the COVID situation on this battle carrier, but because He was emailing everybody outside the chain of command.

00:58:12.000 You can't do that.

00:58:13.000 You can't do that.

00:58:15.000 If somebody, even at my company, okay, we're not the national defense sector.

00:58:18.000 If somebody at my company had a recommendation for how the show could be better, and then they rounded up the chain, that's totally fine.

00:58:24.000 We do that all the time here.

00:58:25.000 If that person then copied the entire mainstream media and was like, by the way, this place is a bleep show.

00:58:31.000 You know what happens?

00:58:31.000 That person, they get fired.

00:58:32.000 That's the way this works.

00:58:33.000 But here's Joe Biden suggesting that it is criminal how Trump was treating this Navy captain.

00:58:39.000 I think it's close to criminal the way they're dealing with this guy.

00:58:43.000 Not his conduct.

00:58:45.000 The idea that this man stood up and said what had to be said, got it out that his troops, his Navy personnel were in danger.

00:58:57.000 In danger.

00:58:57.000 Look how many have the virus.

00:58:59.000 I think the guy should have a commendation rather than be fired.

00:59:07.000 He should get a commendation for copying people outside the chain of command?

00:59:10.000 It's a very weird way to run a military.

00:59:11.000 Okay, so the point here is that, proof positive, competence, not great across the aisle when it comes to government, but the Democrats have a stake in claiming that they are great at government.

00:59:20.000 Why?

00:59:21.000 Because what they actually want is to transform the relationship between Americans and the government, which should scare everybody, and again, actually drives a wedge in a time when we don't need a wedge.

00:59:30.000 Right, so you get Bernie, who's out there still, and Biden is still trying to capitulate to him.

00:59:34.000 Here's Bernie saying, we still need fundamental socialist change in the United States.

00:59:38.000 You want to scare people into saying, okay, screw all of this, I'm going back out and I'm working?

00:59:42.000 This is pretty much how you do it.

00:59:44.000 Younger people in this country understand that we need fundamental change in the structure of American society.

00:59:53.000 And instead of having society which glamorizes billionaires and says that we're all in this, the only thing that we should be doing is trying to make huge amounts of money, there is an entire younger generation that says, well, you know what?

01:00:06.000 Maybe we should work together to create an economy that works for all, a health care system that works for all.

01:00:14.000 Okay, so that's going to scare everybody.

01:00:16.000 Because again, the combined argument, Trump's incompetent, therefore put Bernie or Biden in charge.

01:00:21.000 And they're not only going to fix this thing and make sure there's no pandemic, they're going to completely reshape how American government is done.

01:00:26.000 It's pretty astonishing.

01:00:27.000 By the way, I just got to point out this irony.

01:00:28.000 Bernie Sanders yesterday, he says that Trump is going to cause thousands of people to die.

01:00:33.000 Also, do you remember Bernie cancelling any of his rallies like February, early March?

01:00:36.000 I do not remember that.

01:00:37.000 Do you?

01:00:37.000 Because it didn't happen.

01:00:38.000 Also, my favorite here is that Bernie says that Trump is going to hand out money to people to help his re-election.

01:00:44.000 Does Bernie not see the irony of being a socialist claiming that somebody else is going to hand out somebody else's money in order to help their re-election?

01:00:50.000 Here's Bernie.

01:00:51.000 We have a president who has done so much harm in this entire process Who has downplayed the crisis from day one, which will cost us.

01:01:02.000 And his actions, or inactions, in not listening to the scientists and spouting off ridiculous ideas is in fact going to cost the lives of many thousands of Americans.

01:01:12.000 If you think that during a campaign You're not going to see a lot of money from the Trump administration going to battleground states, to Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida.

01:01:22.000 You would be grossly underestimating the venality of this president.

01:01:28.000 I'm really enjoying Bernie Sanders explaining that if you give people checks, that they are going to vote for you.

01:01:35.000 I'm really enjoying that.

01:01:36.000 Bernie, a socialist, claiming that he is above reproach, but his entire program is steal money from some people and give it to other people for their votes, but it's bad when Trump signs the checks because everybody's unemployed.

01:01:46.000 Alrighty, well we'll be back here later today with two additional hours of content, and we'll bring you some more experts, we'll talk to some doctors, you know, we're constantly trying to bring you information.

01:01:52.000 If you didn't have a chance, listen to our Sunday special.

01:01:54.000 Yesterday it was really good.

01:01:55.000 We spoke to a couple of different doctors, one from University of California San Francisco, the other from Hoover Institution.

01:02:00.000 We also spoke to Mohamed El-Erian from Allianz about the economic fallout from all of this.

01:02:03.000 It's really worth the listen, so go check that out.

01:02:06.000 Otherwise, we'll see you here tomorrow.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - April 06, 2020

The Longest Week | Ep. 987

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