The Ben Shapiro Show - The Nature Of Evil | Ep. 738

00:00:00.000 A horrifying terrorist attack on Muslims in Christchurch shakes the world, President Trump runs into Republican resistance over his national emergency, and we check the mailbag.

00:00:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:09.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:15.000 The events in New Zealand are disturbing and horrifying in every possible way.

00:00:18.000 Naturally, there are folks on Twitter and in the media who will politicize all of this because that is what we do, unfortunately, in our fast-moving media world.

00:00:26.000 We'll talk about all of this stuff.

00:00:28.000 We'll talk about what exactly happened in Christchurch, the reactions of folks.

00:00:33.000 It's just, it's horrifying in every way.

00:00:35.000 We'll get to all that.

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00:01:46.000 Let's start with obviously stomach-churning, horrifying, evil, white supremacist terror attack on mosques in New Zealand. 0.55

00:01:55.000 If you didn't lose sleep last night, it's because you weren't following the story closely enough.

00:02:01.000 If you don't feel sick to your stomach after reading the coverage of all of this, after reading about the evil of the participants in this, then legitimately you're not paying close enough attention to the story.

00:02:12.000 It is utterly horrifying in every conceivable way.

00:02:16.000 New York Times reporting 49 people were killed 49 people were killed in shootings at two mosques in Central Christchurch New Zealand on Friday in a terrorist attack the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern described as extraordinary and unprecedented act Obviously, this was a white supremacist terror attack that was driven at Islamic centers.

00:02:38.000 Officials said one man in his late 20s had been charged with murder, that two explosive devices were found attached to a vehicle that they had stopped.

00:02:45.000 A Muslim leader in New Zealand said the attack was especially shocking.

00:02:47.000 It took place around Friday prayer, so it was coordinated to be when the mosques were most full.

00:02:52.000 A gunman streamed a live video of the attack on Facebook.

00:02:55.000 He appeared to have posted a manifesto online.

00:02:57.000 We have a rule at Daily Wire.

00:02:58.000 This was established about a year and a half ago, two years ago.

00:03:02.000 Saying that we will not name any mass shooter.

00:03:05.000 We will not name terrorists.

00:03:07.000 We will not name the people who murder innocents in the name of their politics.

00:03:12.000 We're not going to do that.

00:03:13.000 We're also not going to read the terrorist manifesto today.

00:03:16.000 We're not going to give credence to his thoughts.

00:03:18.000 We will mention his politics only to the extent that it is necessary to discuss the overarching political issues that affect the world and affect our nation.

00:03:26.000 But we are not going to quote his manifesto.

00:03:29.000 We are not going to go out of our way to lend any sort of support or credence to not only his manifesto, but to the notion that his manifesto should be used as a guidebook for others.

00:03:39.000 What these folks want, what evil terrorists want is attention.

00:03:42.000 That's why they commit terrorist attacks.

00:03:44.000 That's why this guy live streamed a video of his attack on Facebook.

00:03:47.000 And it shows you that in our two connected world, we've got a real problem.

00:03:51.000 Because if you are seeking fame, if you are seeking notoriety, then all you have to do is commit an act of evil with a camera in your hand.

00:03:58.000 We've seen this over and over and over again now.

00:04:01.000 Stop watching the videos.

00:04:03.000 Delete the videos. 0.99

00:04:05.000 Suck the air out of the room. 0.92

00:04:06.000 Do not provide the impetus for future people, future monsters, monstrous evil people to do stuff like this. 0.99

00:04:14.000 It's just, it's horrific.

00:04:16.000 And there's also this sense of ersatz community that is created for white supremacists online who are able, because of the internet, to find people who think like them in the dark niches of Western society and non-Western society, able to find...

00:04:30.000 These dark niches of people who think like them and who cheer when this sort of stuff happens and who act performatively for the sake of others.

00:04:38.000 You see this when it comes to a lot of bleep posting online, the sort of performative nature of harassing people, bothering people, annoying people.

00:04:47.000 But, and that's, you know, that's an aspect of free speech.

00:04:50.000 It's not something I like, but it's an aspect of free speech that we all have to just deal with.

00:04:53.000 When that bleeds over into the real world, where performance becomes violence, and where people are performing acts of vile cruelty and evil in order to receive the cheers of others, we have to wonder whether our connected universe is a little bit too connected.

00:05:08.000 Because the truth is, it's not real connection.

00:05:10.000 Real connection is the connection that we forge with each other when we are offline.

00:05:14.000 How many of your best friends are people that you meet online and never meet in person?

00:05:18.000 How many of the people that you actually connect with are people that you are just talking to in a chat room or on a Reddit board?

00:05:25.000 The answer is probably not many.

00:05:27.000 Most of the deep connections in your life are the people who you meet.

00:05:30.000 And because we don't spend enough time out in the world being with other people, it allows us to other other people.

00:05:37.000 It allows us to treat other people as though they are foreign to us, as though they are monsters, as though they are to be clubbed or destroyed in some way.

00:05:44.000 And that's terrible.

00:05:45.000 It really is.

00:05:47.000 Because The reality is when we treat each other face-to-face, when we see each other face-to-face, it is exorbitantly rare in good societies, in decent societies, that we treat each other badly when we treat each other face-to-face.

00:05:58.000 And that's why something like this is so shocking, when the sort of vile underbelly of the internet brews up into the real world and ends with deadly consequences.

00:06:06.000 It really is.

00:06:07.000 That's not a call for censorship.

00:06:08.000 It's a call for human beings to be better.

00:06:10.000 It's a call for all of us to try harder.

00:06:12.000 It's a call for everyone to get offline and start interacting with people with whom they may not agree and who they may not know.

00:06:20.000 The Prime Minister of New Zealand had a few words to say about this.

00:06:24.000 Here's what she had to say.

00:06:25.000 It is clear that this is one of New Zealand's darkest days.

00:06:32.000 Clearly what has happened here is an extraordinary and unprecedented act of violence.

00:06:40.000 Many of those who will have been directly affected by this shooting may be migrants to New Zealand.

00:06:47.000 They may even be refugees here.

00:06:49.000 They have chosen to make New Zealand their home and it is their home.

00:06:54.000 They are us.

00:06:57.000 The person who has perpetuated this violence against us is not.

00:07:02.000 They have no place in New Zealand.

00:07:04.000 There is no place in New Zealand for such acts of extreme and unprecedented violence, which it is clear this act was.

00:07:14.000 For now my thoughts and I'm sure the thoughts of all New Zealanders with those who have been affected and also with their families.

00:07:22.000 My thoughts also to those in Christchurch who are still dealing with an unfolding situation.

00:07:28.000 Now we'll treat the media response to all of this in just a second after we bring you the information because the media response has been in many cases irresponsible over the top Attempting to cast blame as a first resort.

00:07:41.000 Attempting to politicize this stuff. 0.98

00:07:43.000 Politicians, particularly one particularly foolish politician who's gotten an inordinate amount of attention tweeting out ridiculous things. 0.99

00:07:51.000 First, let me give you the rest of the information. 0.99

00:07:52.000 Shots were fired at Al Noor Mosque on Deans Avenue in the center of the city and at Linwood Mosque about three miles away, the police said.

00:07:58.000 The country's police commissioner, Mike Bush, said in an evening news conference that 41 people had been killed at Al-Noor Mosque and seven at Linwood Mosque and another victim had died at Christchurch Hospital.

00:08:07.000 David Meats, the chief executive of the Canterbury District Health Board, said that 48 people, including young children, were being treated for injuries at the hospital.

00:08:14.000 He said the injuries included gunshot wounds and ranged from critical to minor.

00:08:18.000 The International Committee of the Red Cross created a page for reporting the names of people who are missing or accounted for.

00:08:22.000 The police said that four people, Including three men and one woman had been taken into custody.

00:08:27.000 Prime Minister Scott Morrison of Australia said that one of them was Australian.

00:08:31.000 Mr. Bush said that a man in his late twenties had been charged with murder and would appear in Christchurch court on Saturday morning.

00:08:36.000 A number of firearms were recovered from the scenes of the shootings, he said.

00:08:40.000 By the way, written on the firearms were the names of other mass murderers who had particularly targeted mosques.

00:08:45.000 Of the three others who were detained, the police commissioner said that one might have had nothing to do with the attack, and the police were working to determine how the other two might have been involved.

00:08:53.000 None of those detained were on security watch lists.

00:08:56.000 Two explosive devices were found on one vehicle, Mr. Bush said.

00:08:59.000 Adding that the police had diffused one and were in the process of diffusing the other.

00:09:02.000 Mr. Bush had urged people not to go to mosques anywhere in New Zealand on Friday.

00:09:06.000 He also urged mosques nationally to close your doors until you hear from us again, which is just horrifying.

00:09:12.000 Shutting down religious institutions because evil people are attempting to kill people at religious institutions is just insane.

00:09:19.000 Yeshara Lee.

00:09:20.000 Who is an Iranian-born reporter in the United States.

00:09:23.000 He tweeted out that it takes an amount of bravery for people to identify publicly as religious.

00:09:28.000 And that's true for people who choose to wear a hijab. 0.98

00:09:31.000 It's true of people who choose to wear side locks if you're Jewish or yarmulkes. 0.89

00:09:34.000 It's true for a wide variety of people.

00:09:36.000 That's not bravery.

00:09:37.000 That's just how people live.

00:09:38.000 That's how people live.

00:09:39.000 It's a choice that they've made.

00:09:40.000 And when I see somebody who's chosen to wear a hijab, I mean, it's one of the reasons I was in favor of the Congress changing its rules to allow Ilhan Omar, who I think is terrible for a lot of other reasons, but for this, I think that it's great. 1.00

00:09:53.000 Congress changing its rules to allow Ilhan Omar to cover her head on the floor of the Congress if she chooses to do so, that's a wonderful thing.

00:10:01.000 Because when you see other people who are attempting to reach out to something larger than themselves, people who are attempting to recognize that they are subject to a morality above themselves, that's a good thing.

00:10:12.000 That's a good thing.

00:10:13.000 And for people to despise that and try and murder people because of that is such an act of tremendous, tremendous evil.

00:10:20.000 There's a 17 minute video posted to Facebook showing part of the attack.

00:10:23.000 Facebook didn't see it in time, so they didn't take it down in time.

00:10:25.000 The clip, which may have been taken from a helmet camera worn by a gunman, begins behind the wheel of a car.

00:10:30.000 The man, whose face can occasionally be seen in the rearview mirror, drives through the streets of Christchurch before pulling up to the Al-Noor Mosque beside the sprawling Haigley Park.

00:10:37.000 He approaches the mosque on foot, his weapon visible, and begins shooting at people at the entrance.

00:10:41.000 What follows is a harrowing nearly two minutes of his firing on worshippers.

00:10:45.000 At one point, the gunman exits the mosque and fires in both directions down the sidewalk before returning to his car for another gun, which, like the others, was inscribed with numbers, symbols, or messages.

00:10:54.000 When he re-enters the mosque, he shoots at several bodies at close range.

00:10:58.000 The video is absolutely horrendous.

00:11:00.000 People should absolutely not watch it or give it coverage.

00:11:04.000 He also posted a white nationalist manifesto on Twitter and 8chan, and people have of course been perusing this to see if they can cast aspersions at American political figures.

00:11:13.000 The 8chan post included a link to the gunman's Facebook page where he said he would broadcast the live video of the attack.

00:11:21.000 In the middle of this evil video, Felix Kjellberg, who is PewDiePie, a YouTube celebrity, I've been on his meme review, he distanced himself from the attacks because he's not responsible for the attacks.

00:11:32.000 And here's where the media start to lose it.

00:11:33.000 The media start suggesting that because Kjellberg was mentioned by this guy, somehow he is responsible for the attacks.

00:11:40.000 No, there is a sick online meme world where people make references to other people who are online in order to gain attention, or in order to polarize.

00:11:50.000 People who don't understand anything about meme world take everything that the folks who are doing in these chat rooms, these threads, they take all of that seriously.

00:11:58.000 Okay, that is not correct.

00:12:01.000 Not only should all of it not be taken seriously, some of it is directly an attempt to generate headlines.

00:12:06.000 Some of it is directly an attempt to implicate people who are not responsible for things.

00:12:11.000 You've seen Candace Owens' name mentioned in this person's manifesto.

00:12:15.000 Candace Owens has nothing to do with this guy, and it's actually pretty obvious from the manifesto itself that he is naming Candace Owens specifically to cause political rifts.

00:12:22.000 The one thing that is clear from this white nationalist manifesto that this piece of human wrote, the one thing that is that is absolutely clear from that is that he wanted to drive political division.

00:12:31.000 He was seeking to drive political division in the West that would break down along racial racial lines.

00:12:36.000 And then he could claim that he had started a race war.

00:12:38.000 That was his intent in all of this.

00:12:40.000 And anybody who is perpetuating that is is helping him do his work.

00:12:44.000 And that's what he wanted.

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00:14:09.000 So people have been trying to figure out how exactly they curb social media, what to do about social media.

00:14:15.000 That really is probably not the answer other than actual attempts to create violence.

00:14:21.000 I've said for a long time.

00:14:22.000 You don't get to attribute violence to people unless they are openly calling for violence.

00:14:26.000 If they are openly calling for violence, that's a violation of the First Amendment, and those posts should not be available anywhere.

00:14:32.000 The fact that Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, the fact that they've been looking to take down political posts, political posts they don't like, as opposed to targeting actual posts that inflame violence, that are directly attempting to inflame violence, is a blot on the record of these tech companies.

00:14:48.000 The 17-minute video apparently could be found on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, and Instagram more than an hour after being posted.

00:14:55.000 In order to evade detection, people were cropping the video or posting the text of the manifesto as an image, both of which are techniques used to evade automated systems that find and delete the content.

00:15:07.000 Facebook has already invested enormous amounts of resources.

00:15:10.000 They can't be perfect here, of course, and especially when it comes from an account that they weren't actively following.

00:15:16.000 Still, the tech companies need to focus a little more, if they can, on cracking down on incipient violence and a little bit less on the politics that they particularly do not like.

00:15:29.000 Now to the politics of the situation.

00:15:30.000 So, we are already seeing the coverage turn toward what drove this evil, disgusting piece of human debris to do all of this. 0.97

00:15:40.000 And many in the media think they found their answer, and their answer is Trump. 0.89

00:15:44.000 So, there is an article from Al Jazeera in which they point out that the manifesto mentions President Trump.

00:15:49.000 It does not mention that President Trump is specifically denounced for his politics.

00:15:55.000 This is a 74 page dossier hailing Trump as a quote, symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose. 0.62

00:16:01.000 But the quote continues that this person does not believe in Trump's politics and does not believe in his values.

00:16:07.000 So here is the point.

00:16:08.000 When you look at at manifestos like this, first of all, it is not coherent other than a generalized hatred for people who are not of white identity.

00:16:16.000 Second of all, the manifesto itself is memery.

00:16:20.000 It is designed in order to heighten conflict.

00:16:23.000 It is designed to call out certain people, to get them centered in the media.

00:16:29.000 It is not designed as an active, coherent call to arms.

00:16:34.000 But the media covering it that way are doing so for political purposes.

00:16:37.000 There are a lot of things that are said in here.

00:16:38.000 The guy calls himself an eco-anarchist, or an eco-fascist is what he called himself.

00:16:42.000 They're not quoting that part because it doesn't meet their narrative.

00:16:46.000 The fact is that you shouldn't be looking at this guy as anything other than an evil white supremacist because that's the overarching message of what he did, but instead what we're trying to do is now attribute his actions to others.

00:16:57.000 Now, there are people who have reacted badly on both sides of the political aisle.

00:17:01.000 I hesitate even to label Senator Fraser Anning, a member of the Australian party, as a right-winger, given this kind of rhetoric.

00:17:10.000 But he tweeted out one of the worst statements I have ever seen.

00:17:15.000 Quote, Does anyone still dispute the link between Muslim immigration and violence? 1.00

00:17:20.000 Are you insane? 1.00

00:17:21.000 Are you an insane person? 1.00

00:17:24.000 Muslims were just massacred. 1.00

00:17:26.000 This is not Muslim immigrants causing violence. 1.00

00:17:28.000 This is Muslim immigrants being the victims of violence. 1.00

00:17:32.000 What in the absolute hell? 0.99

00:17:33.000 I mean, this guy has a long record of this sort of thing. 0.96

00:17:38.000 The reason people are turning to the rhetoric question is because they can't turn to the gun control question.

00:17:42.000 The reason they can't turn to the gun control question is because New Zealand law is some of the most heavily gun-controlled on planet Earth.

00:17:49.000 Murders are rare in New Zealand, reports the New York Times.

00:17:51.000 Gun homicides are even rarer.

00:17:52.000 There were 35 murders countrywide in 2017.

00:17:55.000 Since 2007, gun homicides have been in the single digits every year except 2009, but there are plenty of guns.

00:18:01.000 There were 1.2 million registered firearms in the country of 4.6 million people in 2017, which just goes to show you that high levels of gun ownership don't necessarily mean high levels of gun violence.

00:18:11.000 It depends who owns the gun.

00:18:12.000 New Zealand law allows any person aged 16 or older with an entry-level firearm license to keep any number of common rifles and shotguns.

00:18:19.000 Most guns can be purchased without being tracked by law enforcement officials.

00:18:24.000 With that said, there are still some very heavy gun control regulations in New Zealand.

00:18:29.000 Virtually every person who owns a firearm has to be registered.

00:18:34.000 The media is trying to turn this into a gun control debate, but the fact is that compared to the United States, their gun control is pretty serious.

00:18:44.000 It's pretty serious.

00:18:45.000 So potential gun owners in New Zealand have to pass a police background check, for example, The gun laws in Australia were tightened following a 1996 mass shooting in which 35 people were killed by a lone gunman in Tasmania.

00:18:56.000 Within two weeks, Australian lawmakers banned rapid-fire rifles and shotguns and introduced tighter laws governing ownership of other weapons.

00:19:04.000 New Zealand has some of these laws on the books, and of course they have an incredibly low murder rate.

00:19:09.000 So this is really not about gun control.

00:19:11.000 Nonetheless, what you're seeing from some people is a call for gun control.

00:19:15.000 You're also seeing people trot out their slogans at the wrong time.

00:19:18.000 So one of the big things that happens in the United States is whenever there is a massacre of some sort, people immediately say that their thoughts and prayers are with the folks who were hurt, which is a way of expressing empathy.

00:19:28.000 Aren't we told that in politics and in life, sympathy and empathy are good things?

00:19:32.000 And if I say that I'm praying for people who just lost loved ones, that that is my expression of care for them?

00:19:38.000 And yet, it has become a thing in the United States that if you say thoughts and prayers, what that really is, is a way of you avoiding the harder discussions about policy and rhetoric.

00:19:48.000 There's only one problem.

00:19:49.000 This was a massacre carried out at a mosque, where people were legitimately praying because they wanted to be in consonance with something higher than themselves.

00:19:55.000 That did not stop Alexander Ocasio-Cortez, very fresh and very face, from tweeting out, quote, At first, I thought of saying, imagine being told your house of faith isn't safe anymore.

00:20:04.000 But I couldn't say imagine because of Charleston, Pittsburgh, Sutherland Springs.

00:20:08.000 What good are your thoughts and prayers when they don't even keep the pews safe?

00:20:13.000 What the hell does she even mean by that?

00:20:16.000 These were Muslims, religious Muslims, praying to Allah. 0.56

00:20:20.000 They were there to pray.

00:20:22.000 They were there to commune with something greater.

00:20:24.000 What good are your thoughts and prayers when they don't even keep the pews safe?

00:20:27.000 This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what religion does.

00:20:29.000 Religion does not suggest that if you pray, you will be safer.

00:20:32.000 Religion suggests that if you pray, you may become better, because you are thinking about something greater than yourself. 0.98

00:20:37.000 And then, she tries to walk this absolute crap back. 1.00

00:20:40.000 She says this is a time of great vulnerability for our communities. 0.98

00:20:43.000 We must come together, fight for each other, and stand up for neighbors.

00:20:46.000 Isolation, dehumanizing stereotypes, hysterical conspiracy theories, and hatred ultimately lead to the anarchy of violence.

00:20:52.000 We cannot stand for it.

00:20:53.000 Fine.

00:20:53.000 Then she says this.

00:20:54.000 Thoughts and prayers is a reference to the NRA's phrase used to deflect conversation away from policy change during tragedies.

00:21:01.000 Not directed to the Prime Minister Ardern, who I greatly admire.

00:21:06.000 Well, no, thoughts and prayers is not an NRA phrase.

00:21:09.000 Thoughts and prayers is a phrase that is used by decent people all around the world for legitimately centuries.

00:21:16.000 To suggest that thoughts and prayers is just a way to shirk responsibility for a gun control debate that you feel like having at this particular time, the blood's still on the pavement.

00:21:26.000 Just, just horrifying.

00:21:28.000 But of course the whole thing is horrifying, and the reaction is horrifying.

00:21:30.000 The truth is, every human being of decency is united on this. 0.96

00:21:36.000 Everybody believes that this human piece of excrement should pay whatever is the ultimate price in New Zealand, and so should anybody who is associated with this act of absolutely evil terror.

00:21:46.000 Everyone agrees on this stuff, and people who are trying to generate false division based on the fact that they don't like Trump, or they don't like guns, or they don't like Environmentalism, whoever is trying to turn this into a political thing today, other than condemning the ideology of the terrorist. 0.98

00:22:00.000 OK, the ideology of the terrorist is a white supremacist ideology.

00:22:03.000 It is fully evil. 1.00

00:22:04.000 It is fully evil to suggest that if a Muslim lives in your neighborhood, that Muslim deserves to die because they are a threat to your white majority. 1.00

00:22:12.000 It is sheer, absolute sick garbage. 1.00

00:22:16.000 You can have questions about the nature of radical Islam. 1.00

00:22:19.000 That is not the same thing as suggesting that a Muslim in your neighborhood is a terrorist who is supposed to be shot at a mosque. 1.00

00:22:24.000 It's disgusting. 0.99

00:22:26.000 And anybody who is suggesting today that white supremacism doesn't have victims is, of course, being ignorant of the reality of the modern world. 0.99

00:22:35.000 It is just untrue.

00:22:36.000 That sort of stuff should be condemned.

00:22:38.000 The ideology of the killer should be condemned.

00:22:41.000 Now, what is wrong is to extend that ideology to people who do not believe it.

00:22:45.000 So you see some people on the political left doing today, taking that ideology and saying, well, you believe that, don't you?

00:22:51.000 No.

00:22:51.000 Typical mainline conservatives do not believe this stuff.

00:22:55.000 They forcibly fight back against this stuff.

00:22:59.000 There's a reason that the same white supremacists on 4chan are not big fans of a lot of conservatives.

00:23:07.000 I mean, again, this guy's manifesto itself said that he was not a conservative and didn't like conservatism because he felt it hadn't conserved. 0.97

00:23:14.000 The fact is, White supremacy is indeed evil.

00:23:16.000 We should all be front and forward in condemning the tribal politics of race. 0.91

00:23:22.000 It's horrifying and it has impact.

00:23:25.000 I legitimately don't understand why there's division on when this sort of stuff happens.

00:23:30.000 I understand that people want to use flashpoints to push their particular politics.

00:23:33.000 I understand that.

00:23:34.000 But it does nothing but tear apart a civilization that is united on acts of evil like this sort of stuff.

00:23:40.000 Alrighty, in just a second we'll turn to President Trump's national emergency declaration.

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00:24:50.000 Okay, final note.

00:24:51.000 I just want to reiterate.

00:24:53.000 When it comes to stuff like this.

00:24:55.000 We live in a world where flashpoints are used in order to politically polarize.

00:24:59.000 I don't legitimately know.

00:25:01.000 I don't legitimately know where there should be serious political difference on the evil of this.

00:25:07.000 And why you would point fingers at people who are not responsible for things.

00:25:11.000 Unless you are badly motivated.

00:25:12.000 I don't know why you would do that.

00:25:14.000 Everybody is united in condemning this.

00:25:16.000 As well they should be.

00:25:17.000 Just like everybody was united in condemning the shooting at the Texas church.

00:25:20.000 Or at the South Carolina church.

00:25:22.000 We are all united when it comes to fighting acts of evil.

00:25:24.000 It's why we have a civilization.

00:25:25.000 If we were not united in fighting acts of evil, we would not have a civilization.

00:25:29.000 And casting aspersions at people who believe the same way that you do.

00:25:32.000 That this is an act of tremendous evil.

00:25:34.000 And that the ideology that supports this act of evil is itself evil.

00:25:39.000 That fighting those people are lumping them in with the bad guys.

00:25:43.000 That is, in and of itself, horrifying and disgusting.

00:25:47.000 It's really bad.

00:25:49.000 It's really bad stuff.

00:25:50.000 Okay.

00:25:50.000 Let's move on to President Trump and his emergency declaration.

00:25:54.000 So, the Senate voted yesterday to reject President Trump's emergency declaration.

00:25:58.000 Immediately, Trump tweeted, VITA, all capital letters, the Senate's resolution was passed 59 to 41 to overturn his national emergency declaration.

00:26:08.000 Them saying, we didn't delegate you this kind of power and you are not allowed to simply overrule us by declaring a national emergency.

00:26:14.000 And it does show that the national emergency power is to a certain extent being abused because the fact is that the National Emergency Act was designed to allow the president to act in the absence of congressional opinion making or weighing in.

00:26:27.000 The reason to declare a national emergency is you don't actually have time to go to Congress for the appropriations.

00:26:32.000 You just declare a national emergency.

00:26:33.000 It was the first time That, I think, has ever happened, where Congress has explicitly rejected a national emergency declaration from a president.

00:26:41.000 The reason for that?

00:26:42.000 Because the President negotiated with Congress.

00:26:44.000 He didn't get what he wanted.

00:26:45.000 And then he declared a national emergency.

00:26:47.000 That is a violation of the constitutional order.

00:26:49.000 That is not how the Constitution is supposed to work.

00:26:52.000 President Trump said he was going to veto this.

00:26:53.000 He said, And in fact, you saw a bunch of Republicans who switched their position on this simply because President Trump does have a massive amount of support.

00:27:21.000 The fact is that a bunch of senators flipped on this, most prominently Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska.

00:27:26.000 He had said earlier, we absolutely have a crisis at the border, but as a constitutional conservative, I don't want a future Democratic president unilaterally rewriting gun laws or climate policy.

00:27:35.000 If we get used to presidents just declaring an emergency any time they can't get what they want from Congress, it will be almost impossible to go back to a constitutional system of checks and balances.

00:27:44.000 Over the past decades, the legislative branch has given away too much power, and the executive branch has taken too much power.

00:27:50.000 That seems like a pretty good predicate for voting against the National Emergency Declaration.

00:27:54.000 And then he voted in favor of the National Emergency Declaration.

00:27:58.000 He said the reason he did so is because he and Mike Lee had put forward a bill that would have curbed, generally, the power to declare a national emergency.

00:28:06.000 And that bill had not been agreed to by the president.

00:28:11.000 Well then why are you voting with him on this national emergency that still doesn't answer the question?

00:28:15.000 The fact is this national emergency, the one being declared right now, is not in fact legally a national emergency.

00:28:21.000 It is a national emergency in the common parlance.

00:28:23.000 It is something that the Congress ought to do something about.

00:28:25.000 We ought to have a wall.

00:28:26.000 The president doesn't get to overstep his boundaries just because he's doing something you like.

00:28:30.000 The measure of a principle is whether if the violation of the principle accomplishes something that you want, you are for it or against it.

00:28:38.000 So if you have a principle, And then it turns out that tossing out the principle in order to get something done appeals to you.

00:28:44.000 So you toss out the principle, then you really didn't have the principle to begin with.

00:28:48.000 You had a politics of convenience.

00:28:50.000 It's not just Senator Sasse who flipped on this sort of thing.

00:28:53.000 Senator Tom Tillis wrote a full op-ed saying that he was not in favor of the National Emergency Declaration.

00:28:58.000 He announced he would vote to terminate the National Emergency Declaration.

00:29:01.000 And then he changed his mind and voted against terminating the National Emergency Declaration.

00:29:05.000 And listen, I understand that there is severe pressure on these senators from people who are sitting home and who are thinking, OK, well, all this really comes down to is do you want to protect the border or not?

00:29:16.000 But that is a failure to educate your own voters, which is part of the job.

00:29:20.000 There's been this move in national politics toward, we will just appease whichever voters are in front of us.

00:29:26.000 It's our job to give the voters what they want.

00:29:29.000 Well, that's half your job.

00:29:30.000 The other half of your job is to help shape what voters want.

00:29:33.000 It's to convince voters.

00:29:34.000 It's to go back home and give people the hard messages.

00:29:37.000 If you're not doing that, then you're not acting as a good representative.

00:29:40.000 This is the difference between the sort of straight democratic representation model and the Burkean model of representation.

00:29:46.000 Edmund Burke famously wrote that if you were a representative, Then it was not just your job to represent the temporary wishes of the public.

00:29:55.000 It was your job to represent, to act as your own conscience.

00:29:59.000 They elected you to use your own conscience.

00:30:01.000 And if the people don't like it, then I suppose they can turn you out.

00:30:04.000 But they should give you a solid listen.

00:30:06.000 They should give you a solid listen.

00:30:09.000 Again, I think Republicans, this should have passed with an overwhelming supermajority.

00:30:13.000 It did not.

00:30:13.000 That is a lack of principle on the part of a lot of Republicans, including many Republicans with whom I generally agree.

00:30:20.000 And I think there is a case to be made, and I think that you've heard Representative Dan Crenshaw make it, that if you really believe that it is legal for the President to declare a national emergency under current powers, then you vote in favor of this.

00:30:30.000 But there are a bunch of people who said the President doesn't have those powers under the National Emergencies Act, and then they voted in favor of the President exercising powers he doesn't have.

00:30:39.000 That's bad.

00:30:40.000 And I hear the excuses.

00:30:42.000 Listen, I hear the excuses.

00:30:43.000 The excuse that Democrats would do the exact same thing.

00:30:46.000 That's true.

00:30:47.000 That's why I'm not a Democrat.

00:30:49.000 It is true.

00:30:50.000 Democrats would go along with violations of the constitutional order.

00:30:53.000 Which is why, again, I am not a Democrat.

00:30:56.000 So, I guess you can continue to just go along with whatever the president wants if it mirrors your political preferences, but don't claim to be a constitutional conservative if you do.

00:31:05.000 Okay, coming up, we're going to talk about Beto O'Rourke and we're going to jump into the mailbag.

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00:32:57.000 Okay, meanwhile, Beto, Beto writes, So he is he is running and the blowback has begun.

00:33:09.000 The blowback has begun to to Beto O'Rourke.

00:33:12.000 There is a piece today in The New York Times all about how Beto O'Rourke is too white.

00:33:16.000 And you knew this was coming.

00:33:18.000 You knew that it was going to happen, that he was going to be criticized for being too privileged.

00:33:23.000 I mentioned yesterday that it was astonishing to me that the media hadn't already jumped on this.

00:33:27.000 The fact that Beto O'Rourke grew up exorbitantly wealthy and exorbitantly powerful in a fairly small town, and that he escaped a couple of misdemeanor transgressions, including a DWI, in which he apparently crossed the median lane, rammed into somebody, and then ran away.

00:33:42.000 That he was able to spend most of his 20s running around the country in a crappy punk rock band with no blowback.

00:33:48.000 And I was asking, why aren't Democrats pointing this out?

00:33:51.000 I thought this is the party of inspiring personal stories and intersectionality and opposing white privilege and all of that.

00:33:57.000 Well, all I had to do is wait 24 hours.

00:33:59.000 Estiad Herndon is a columnist over at the New York Times.

00:34:02.000 He writes, in Beto O'Rourke's announcement, his wife's silence stands out.

00:34:06.000 Oh boy, get ready.

00:34:07.000 Beto O'Rourke, the charismatic Texas Democrat and former member of the House of Representatives, announced his presidential campaign in a video on Thursday.

00:34:13.000 The three-minute clip quickly racked up thousands of shares, with some viewers excited by the prospect of his out-of-nowhere political rise.

00:34:19.000 But others were put off by how his campaign deployed an age-old trope in American political theater, the silent, supportive wife.

00:34:26.000 Throughout the video, Mr. O'Rourke's wife, Amy, sat quietly by her husband's side, periodically grasping his hand as he outlined his campaign vision.

00:34:33.000 And occasionally, she smiled and gazed.

00:34:36.000 Okay, now I have a question.

00:34:37.000 Why is this such a bad thing?

00:34:39.000 There are a bunch of tweets, people saying, I'm so sick of wives being forced to silently gaze.

00:34:43.000 Okay, so my wife, who is in fact a doctor, does not follow politics supremely closely. 1.00

00:34:49.000 When people have asked her if I would ever run for office, she said, God, I hope not.

00:34:53.000 My wife doesn't like being in the public spotlight. 1.00

00:34:56.000 If she were in some sort of campaign commercial, if I asked her, you know what, sweetheart, I want to show a kinder world to the face, would you be in a campaign commercial? 1.00

00:35:02.000 You think she actually wants me to kick it to her so she can talk about tax policy? 1.00

00:35:06.000 Or is it possible that she would be supporting my dream in the same way that I have supported her dreams?

00:35:12.000 I mean, there are a lot of rips on Beto O'Rourke. 0.62

00:35:13.000 I don't think this one is particularly fair.

00:35:16.000 Nonetheless, he's getting hit for it because his wife is not speaking in his campaign video.

00:35:21.000 Which is absurd.

00:35:22.000 When was the last time you heard somebody say, where's Kamala Harris's husband and why isn't he speaking in her campaign videos?

00:35:29.000 Because we're not electing that person.

00:35:31.000 Why would we?

00:35:33.000 The presence of the spouse is meant to show that this is a human.

00:35:36.000 It's meant to cue you to the fact that Beto is a human.

00:35:40.000 Which I agree with.

00:35:41.000 He may not be my favorite human, but he is a human.

00:35:44.000 This is such an unfair riff, but it shows where the Democratic head is at, or where a lot of Democrats are at.

00:35:49.000 Is what this column says.

00:35:50.000 So absurd.

00:35:51.000 Throughout the 1980s, Nancy Reagan and Barbara Bush could be found next to their presidential husbands, often silently supporting them in big moments.

00:35:57.000 More recently, buoyed by Hillary Clinton's active role in her husband's campaigns, many elected officials have leaned on their partners as high-profile surrogates.

00:36:05.000 In the current presidential race, Jane Sanders, wife of Bernie Sanders of Vermont, enjoyed a prominent behind-the-scenes role and gave a speech at his initial campaign rally.

00:36:14.000 Wow.

00:36:14.000 Mr. O'Rourke's video, however, struck some observers as especially out of place in a presidential race in which more Democratic women are running for president than ever before.

00:36:22.000 Among several of these women, the husbands are rarely seen.

00:36:25.000 So which is it?

00:36:26.000 Should the spouse be seen?

00:36:28.000 Or should the spouse be heard?

00:36:30.000 Or should the spouse be neither?

00:36:32.000 Which is it?

00:36:33.000 On his first day of campaigning, in a seemingly offhand comment, Mr. O'Rourke joked about his wife, saying she was raising their children, sometimes with my help.

00:36:40.000 His comments elicited both laughter and derision.

00:36:43.000 I don't understand.

00:36:44.000 Why is that?

00:36:44.000 And then the following sentence is the best part.

00:36:46.000 This is not the first time Mr. O'Rourke has been accused of appearing to revel in his advantages as a white male in an increasingly diverse Democratic Party.

00:36:54.000 No, you don't.

00:36:56.000 That is not what he was saying.

00:36:58.000 Again, how am I finding myself defending Beto O'Rourke?

00:37:00.000 How did this happen?

00:37:02.000 Have we created a world where the guy that I mock as a pseudo pothead who spends his days on the quad playing guitar for the Gullible women. 0.99

00:37:12.000 How am I defending Beto O'Rourke?

00:37:13.000 How? 0.96

00:37:14.000 Because you people are so crazy that you forced me into defending Beto O'Rourke. 0.93

00:37:18.000 If I say about my wife that she spends an enormous amount of time raising our children, sometimes with my help, that is not deriding her. 0.96

00:37:24.000 That is deriding me.

00:37:26.000 That is Beto O'Rourke saying that his wife is a heroine and he is a person who is not doing his fair share. 0.94

00:37:32.000 It's ridiculous to criticize him for that.

00:37:36.000 But, this columnist for the New York Times says, as he announced his campaign, complete with a profile in Vanity Fair, in which he hinted he was born to run for president, detractors pointed out that prominent black Democrats who lost their 2018 campaigns, including Stacey Abrams in Georgia and Andrew Gillum in Florida, are not running for president.

00:37:50.000 Well, first of all, that's only for now.

00:37:52.000 Both of them have said that they are considering it.

00:37:54.000 For weeks before his presidential announcement, O'Rourke traveled across the country as he wrestled privately with whether to run and wrote musings on his Medium account.

00:38:01.000 This drew jokes from several comedians and prominent social voices who compared his public Agonizing with the stereotypical tendency for men to refuse to commit to relationships, particularly romantic ones.

00:38:12.000 Okay, that of course is absolutely true.

00:38:16.000 Nonetheless, this sort of rip is amazing.

00:38:18.000 By the way, you know what I just noticed?

00:38:19.000 This is not an opinion column.

00:38:23.000 This is not an opinion column.

00:38:25.000 The guy who wrote this is a reporter.

00:38:27.000 You get to the bottom and it reads like an opinion column.

00:38:28.000 You get to the bottom and it says that there are a couple of reporters who helped with this column.

00:38:33.000 It says, Megan Felling, Sergio Pencaja, and Anjali Singhvi contributed.

00:38:39.000 Wow, just the bias of the New York Times is so strong that you can legitimately read one of their news pieces as though it's an op-ed and not notice it until you hit the end.

00:38:47.000 But that just shows you where Beto is going to fall flat with a certain segment of the Democratic Party.

00:38:52.000 It's the same place, by the way, that Joe Biden is going to fall flat.

00:38:57.000 It's the same place that Joe Biden is going to fall flat with that intersectional base of the Democratic Party.

00:39:02.000 Bernie Sanders can escape that because Bernie Sanders has that progressive base that is locked in.

00:39:07.000 That's why I think people are overestimating Beto, not underestimating Beto at this point.

00:39:10.000 I think people think that his charm offensive with the media will have some sort of significant impact in the primaries.

00:39:15.000 I think that that stuff is going to wear off.

00:39:17.000 It's going to wear real thin really quickly.

00:39:19.000 Barack Obama had the capacity to carry both the intersectional core as well as the media's love.

00:39:24.000 Not the same thing for Beto O'Rourke.

00:39:28.000 By the way, Beto is not doing a wonderful job on the campaign trail.

00:39:30.000 He's going around making gaffes basically.

00:39:33.000 Yesterday he did some sort of Instagram where he asked people for gas money because he's driving his minivan.

00:39:39.000 But he just told us that we were all going to die thanks to climate change and here he is at a gas station asking for money.

00:39:45.000 Hey everybody, we're in Wapaloa, Iowa.

00:39:47.000 We started the day in Keokuk, we then went to Fort Madison, then Burlington, and we're going to stay on the problem for a very long time, but it takes your contributions to keep us out here.

00:39:57.000 Let me show you, we've just filled up.

00:39:59.000 So we've got 12 gallons in the Dodge Grand Caravan that cost us $28.53.

00:40:04.000 Please pitch in, join everyone else who's helping to make this happen.

00:40:09.000 Thank you.

00:40:10.000 What in the?

00:40:11.000 What in?

00:40:12.000 Okay, so I thought that, again, I guess he's just living in the world like AOC. 0.99

00:40:16.000 You know, just living in the world.

00:40:17.000 One of the beautiful things about being a Democrat is you can actively ask for gas money as though you are Beto O'Rourke when he's 25 years old, not 45 years old.

00:40:25.000 And people will think that this is a cool thing to do.

00:40:29.000 Also, Beto suggested, of course, that the Green New Deal is just like Normandy.

00:40:32.000 So at the same time he's asking for gas money, he's saying the Green New Deal is like Normandy. 0.52

00:40:36.000 If you think of our leadership, those who preceded us, those who were on the beaches in Normandy, those who faced an existential threat to Western democracy and our way of life, they showed us the way.

00:40:47.000 We can all come together, we can unite, we can marshal the resources, and we can convene the countries of the world around otherwise.

00:40:56.000 Okay, so, if we're indispensable, also give me gas money.

00:41:04.000 We're all gonna die in 12 years, also.

00:41:06.000 Can I get in this minivan and spew some carbon emissions into the air?

00:41:09.000 Guys, I'm just living in the world.

00:41:11.000 Okay, time for some mailbag because it is a Friday.

00:41:13.000 Ryan says, Hi Ben, I'd be curious to know your perspective on the court's ruling that Remington can be sued in connection with the tragic Sandy Hook shooting.

00:41:19.000 This is an absurd ruling.

00:41:20.000 An absurd ruling.

00:41:22.000 There is a court that ruled, for those who missed it, that Remington can be sued in court because the shooter in Sandy Hook used an AR-15 manufactured by Remington. 0.97

00:41:30.000 That is the height of silly.

00:41:31.000 That is the same thing as suggesting that Ford can be sued because you drove your Ford into a storefront. 0.97

00:41:39.000 It's a vehicle.

00:41:40.000 They didn't tell you how to drive it.

00:41:41.000 The gun was not made to shoot children.

00:41:44.000 It was made to defend against people who try to shoot children.

00:41:47.000 That's what guns are made for.

00:41:49.000 If you want to sue the state for failing to do proper background checks, that's more understandable.

00:41:55.000 But if you're going to sue Remington, that theory of products liability is a complete fail.

00:42:01.000 Products liability, generally, there are only a couple of classes of products liability, and I'm trying to remember all the way back to law school, which was now 12 years ago.

00:42:08.000 But thinking back to law school, there are only a couple of lines of product liability.

00:42:12.000 There is design flaws, and then there's manufacturing flaws.

00:42:15.000 Design flaws are that I designed a product that is designed Badly and is going to harm you because of its design and the other one is a manufacturing flaw There's something in the machine itself that is broken and that broke and that hurt you It's not a design flaw when the gun works exactly how it's supposed to work It is just being aimed by a complete evil piece of garbage at innocent people Because the gun was not designed for that purpose.

00:42:37.000 This is like suing a knife manufacturer for a murder for OJ Simpson's alleged murder of his of his ex-wife Now, I don't see that happening.

00:42:53.000 I think that what we've seen in the last ten years is basically ideological shifts within these parties.

00:42:59.000 It's easier to take over an established party than it is to start a new party in the United States.

00:43:03.000 The Libertarian Party proves that legitimately every presidential election cycle.

00:43:08.000 Thanks, Craig.

00:43:08.000 No, I have not actually met Rabbi Shmuley.

00:43:09.000 atheist versus religion debates on YouTube, specifically Christopher Hitchens debating Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.

00:43:14.000 In light of your upcoming book, what are your current thoughts on the debate between atheists and theists?

00:43:17.000 Have you ever met Rabbi Shmuley?

00:43:20.000 Thanks, Craig.

00:43:21.000 No, I have not actually met Rabbi Shmuley.

00:43:23.000 As far as the debate between atheists and theists, you know, I've done a couple of these.

00:43:30.000 So I've had more discussions than debates.

00:43:32.000 I've had discussions with Sam Harris a couple of times, once on his podcast, once on mine.

00:43:36.000 I've had discussions with Michael Shermer, a friend of mine who happens to be the editor of Skeptic Magazine and is best described as sort of an agnostic slash atheist.

00:43:46.000 The real question about the argument between atheism and theism is that I don't think Both sides actually understand each other.

00:43:53.000 Mainly, I think atheists don't understand theists. 1.00

00:43:55.000 I think that a lot of atheists seem to believe that if they argue against the Bible, that this is somehow an argument against theism itself.

00:44:03.000 It is not.

00:44:04.000 That if they just cite a couple of out of context verses from the Bible, they're going to shatter the faith of people who believe in it.

00:44:08.000 That is not going to happen.

00:44:10.000 That if There is an order to nature that somehow this is a disproving of God's presence, or that if you are a believer in Darwinian evolution, that somehow this disproves God's presence because it looks like an order without a designer.

00:44:26.000 Well, who designed that order?

00:44:28.000 All that theists believe is that there is a designed order to the universe, and that that order to the universe was created by an active mind.

00:44:36.000 That's the basis of theism.

00:44:38.000 And it's not really a disprovable thesis.

00:44:41.000 There are some people who have attempted to... And then you stack up evidence on both sides.

00:44:44.000 You see which is more likely, which is less likely.

00:44:47.000 So, I find these sorts of things interesting.

00:44:49.000 What I do find is that for a lot of atheists, people with whom I speak, and I talk about this in my new book, The Right Side of History, a lot of atheists use religious premises for their own arguments.

00:44:57.000 So a lot of atheists will assume that free will exists.

00:45:01.000 A lot of atheists will assume that reason is something worth doting upon.

00:45:06.000 But in an atheistic materialist universe, I don't see why reason is anything special.

00:45:10.000 Reason is just a firing of neurons that is evolutionarily beneficial, presumably.

00:45:14.000 So why should we value reason above, for example, force, if force is more evolutionarily beneficial?

00:45:19.000 The attempt to build a morality on atheism is the real problem I have.

00:45:23.000 There are lots of atheists who are wonderful people.

00:45:24.000 I have lots of friends who are atheists.

00:45:26.000 But building a morality on atheism, I think, is nearly impossible.

00:45:30.000 Dominic says, Hi, Ben.

00:45:31.000 I need to get the Beto jokes out of the way first.

00:45:33.000 When I'm president, we'll finally get the man out of our weed, man.

00:45:36.000 We'll have both parties gather around a new monument of our own design, the Liberty Bong.

00:45:40.000 Okay, now, my actual question.

00:45:42.000 Out of all the Democratic presidential candidates, who is the least of all evils right now?

00:45:46.000 Thank you for your time, Dominic.

00:45:48.000 Well, I've expressed a slight preference for Pete Buttigieg.

00:45:53.000 I'm still trying to figure out exactly how he's pronounced.

00:45:54.000 Pete Buttigieg, Pete Buttigieg, the South Bend, Indiana mayor.

00:45:58.000 Mainly because he seems like he is a little bit more considered than his Democratic colleagues.

00:46:02.000 He'll throw out a proposal and then he'll say, and maybe it won't work.

00:46:05.000 It's like, okay, I sort of appreciate that.

00:46:07.000 I mean, he's just as radical as a lot of his friends, but he seems like a person who is slightly more open-minded.

00:46:13.000 As far as people who I think would be the most damaging, anybody who polarizes along intersectional racial lines is going to be deeply damaging to the country.

00:46:20.000 And obviously, open socialists like Bernie Sanders will be very damaging as well.

00:46:26.000 There's a temptation to say Joe Biden, but I don't think that Joe Biden is actually the quote-unquote moderate that he purports to be.

00:46:32.000 Whenever he's been in a position of actual power, he doesn't govern like a moderate and he doesn't speak like a moderate.

00:46:37.000 He just pretends to be a moderate for purposes of elections.

00:46:40.000 Emily says, Hi Ben.

00:46:40.000 You very often cited the Brookings Institute study with the three things one must do in order to avoid being in poverty.

00:46:45.000 I have a friend who has been something of a sister to me since we were just toddlers.

00:46:48.000 She had some difficult circumstances up in her late teens, early twenties.

00:46:51.000 She's at the point where she has violated all three guidelines.

00:46:53.000 She had a daughter by a deadbeat dad.

00:46:55.000 She dropped out of high school.

00:46:56.000 She's currently unemployed and claims she's too depressed to work.

00:46:58.000 She often attributes my success to being lucky rather than decision-making, but she's near rock bottom and desperately wants to turn her life around.

00:47:04.000 How do you convince someone that luck has nothing to do with success?

00:47:06.000 And more importantly, how does someone come back from horrible decision-making?

00:47:09.000 She's family to me, so I hope you can help.

00:47:11.000 Well, the real question is, is she really ready to turn her life around?

00:47:15.000 That really is the question, because the only person who's going to be able to turn her life around is her.

00:47:19.000 You can advise her on anything.

00:47:20.000 If she ignores the advice, it's not going to help.

00:47:22.000 If she insists on being depressed and blaming societal forces for her own mistakes, she's not going to fix her own life.

00:47:28.000 If you take control and ownership of your own life, and you're ready to do that, and you're ready to take responsibility, and you're ready to take action, then you can make a practical plan with her.

00:47:36.000 You can find out, for example, what sort of financial support does she need to make sure that her daughter is taken care of while she goes and finishes high school. 0.54

00:47:45.000 You can make sure that there are people who are out there willing to grant her a helping hand.

00:47:48.000 There are lots of charitable people out there.

00:47:51.000 Lots of people give charity for specifically this reason.

00:47:53.000 You can get her enmeshed in a social fabric.

00:47:55.000 Find friends and family of yours to help her out.

00:47:59.000 There are lots of people who are willing to help out.

00:48:02.000 But first, she has to commit herself to actually changing her behavior and not blaming the situation around her.

00:48:07.000 Sally says, hi, Ben.

00:48:08.000 Like you, many people I grew up with dated with a purpose in mind.

00:48:11.000 However, do you think a case can be made that looking only at the opposite gender for purposes of marriage could result in the genders never engaging on a friendly basis?

00:48:18.000 Is dating only for marriage somewhat responsible for a disconnect between the genders?

00:48:22.000 So much so that in traditional communities, they seem to be occupying two separate worlds. 0.98

00:48:26.000 Thanks, Sally.

00:48:27.000 Yeah, I think this is a legitimate criticism.

00:48:29.000 You know, I grew up in an Orthodox Jewish community.

00:48:32.000 There was a separate boys' school and a separate girls' school in our high school.

00:48:35.000 I think that was a good thing, because I think the risks of sexual interplay between boys and girls in an unhealthy way in high school is extremely high.

00:48:44.000 With that said, once I went to college, did I hang out with girls?

00:48:47.000 Did I have friends who were girls?

00:48:48.000 Of course!

00:48:50.000 In law school, some of my best friends were women. 1.00

00:48:53.000 That's great.

00:48:54.000 I mean, I think that you should be friends with members of the opposite sex. 0.99

00:48:57.000 I also think that this is where siblings really do play a role.

00:48:59.000 I have three younger sisters.

00:49:00.000 That means that I knew kind of how girls act and how they think and all of that is very helpful.

00:49:08.000 You do have to have a well-rounded view of women in order to know what to look for in a woman.

00:49:13.000 And a lot of that has to do, again, with having a healthy family life, too.

00:49:15.000 Having a father and a mother who have a healthy marriage.

00:49:18.000 You learn a lot about what you want in a person of the opposite sex by looking at your parents. 1.00

00:49:22.000 Just as you learn a lot about what you want to be by looking at your parents of the same sex.

00:49:27.000 Parents are really important here.

00:49:29.000 Really important.

00:49:29.000 Connor says, Hey Ben, I'm planning on starting a blog featuring my political commentary.

00:49:34.000 Do you have any tips on how to gain an audience and a platform?

00:49:36.000 Well, you know, I think that the great temptation, and I know this because I went through this at 17, the great temptation is to write stuff that is deliberately provocative to get attention.

00:49:45.000 Resist the temptation.

00:49:46.000 I wish that I had. 0.95

00:49:47.000 I think most of the stupid stuff that I feel like I've said in my career happened very early in my career when I was attempting to do just that. 0.89

00:49:54.000 So I'd recommend against that. 0.93

00:49:55.000 It means the path might be slightly longer, but it will also mean that you have less that you regret saying back when you were a young person publicly.

00:50:02.000 When it comes to getting an audience and platform, the fact is that virtually every successful company is based on marketing.

00:50:08.000 It means that you have to find somebody who's willing to invest a little bit of money into marketing on Facebook.

00:50:12.000 You need to make connections.

00:50:13.000 You need to reach out to as many people as possible so that they know that you exist.

00:50:17.000 You need to reach out on Twitter.

00:50:18.000 You need to reach out on Facebook.

00:50:19.000 You need to find people who are willing to promote your stuff.

00:50:21.000 That's the way to get started.

00:50:23.000 JC says, Hey Ben, I'm somebody who did not finish college due to multiple reasons.

00:50:27.000 I've always planned to go back for at least an associate's degree in business, but I recently found out my brother's college offers a degree in homemaking.

00:50:33.000 If the cost is equal, and my goal is ultimately to be a stay-at-home mom, would the homemaking degree be a better option, or should I get the business degree in case I need one in the future?

00:50:41.000 What are your thoughts?

00:50:41.000 Well, I'm not sure what the homemaking degree offers, because you can be a homemaker without a degree.

00:50:45.000 So the question is, what does the degree do?

00:50:47.000 Is it providing you a skill set?

00:50:48.000 Is it providing you a credential?

00:50:49.000 Or is it providing you a social fabric?

00:50:52.000 Those are the three things that education theoretically could do.

00:50:54.000 Skillset, credential, social fabric.

00:50:56.000 I'm not sure what the homemaking degree does for any of those things.

00:51:00.000 But again, I don't know the specific degree program.

00:51:02.000 As far as business, it does offer a credential that is very useful.

00:51:05.000 It may offer a skillset, depending on the program.

00:51:07.000 So I tend to lean toward the idea that you should check out the business program rather than the homemaking program, knowing nothing else other than the titles of the program, not the contents of the program.

00:51:17.000 Okay, a couple more here.

00:51:18.000 Jacob says, Ben, when you get your Beto on, can you please add a few righteous in there?

00:51:22.000 Your Beto impression always makes me think of the sea turtle crush from Finding Nemo.

00:51:25.000 Thanks, I could use a good laugh.

00:51:26.000 Absolutely, Jacob.

00:51:27.000 That is an excellent idea because Beto is indeed a righteous, radical dude.

00:51:32.000 Carson says, hey Ben, Of course.

00:51:44.000 I think every president finds themselves distanced by the party in the future.

00:51:49.000 There are candidates now who are distancing themselves from half of Barack Obama's institutional policies.

00:51:53.000 How many Democrats do you hear talking about the wonders of Obamacare?

00:51:56.000 Any?

00:51:57.000 They're all talking about running away from it.

00:51:59.000 George W. Bush was thrown under the bus as soon as humanly possible by future members of the party.

00:52:04.000 In some ways that's appropriate because you are not those people and the easy intellectual temptation is to lump people in with former presidents of their own party.

00:52:12.000 With that said, is that intellectually honest?

00:52:14.000 No, I mean, we're all individuals.

00:52:15.000 We all have different ideas.

00:52:17.000 I wish people could see that, right?

00:52:18.000 I don't see Kamala Harris in the same light in which I see Barack Obama.

00:52:21.000 They don't have the same policies.

00:52:22.000 I don't even see Joe Biden in that same light.

00:52:24.000 I don't see Joe Biden today in the same light that I saw Joe Biden four years ago.

00:52:27.000 People are constantly changing and shifting.

00:52:29.000 People don't hold the same opinions that they did even five minutes ago, in many cases.

00:52:33.000 Okay, time for some things that I like and then some things that I hate.

00:52:36.000 So, Thing that I like today.

00:52:38.000 It's really kind of a thing that I hate.

00:52:40.000 I didn't have any things that I like, so I just sort of stuck one of the things that I hate in the things that I like.

00:52:44.000 This is pretty spectacular, though.

00:52:45.000 There is a nine-year-old, a nine-year-old who was featured by the New York Times reading a book about climate change to the adults.

00:52:52.000 I hate this stuff more than I can tell you.

00:52:56.000 This notion that nine-year-olds have something deep to tell us about the world.

00:53:00.000 Nine-year-olds are innocent, but they are not wise.

00:53:02.000 Nine-year-olds are innocent, but they are not knowledgeable as a general rule.

00:53:05.000 Why am I supposed to take the advice of a nine-year-old who I assume has not read any of the IPCC reports upon which he is basing his book about climate change while he lectures me about how he thinks we should balance the economic needs of six billion people with the need to lower carbon emissions so as to lower the climate by a grand total of three degrees Celsius over the next century.

00:53:24.000 But nonetheless, the New York Times featured this on their homepage, a video of a nine-year-old boy reading a climate change book to the adults so as to shame us into agreeing with the prospects of the left.

00:53:34.000 The world is big and I am small.

00:53:37.000 The Earth's in trouble.

00:53:38.000 Hear her call.

00:53:40.000 One degree warmer's our demise.

00:53:43.000 We're on track for more to rise.

00:53:45.000 Goodbye New York and Miami, both cities swallowed by the sea.

00:53:50.000 Whose fault is all this climate mess?

00:53:53.000 You grown-ups must confess.

00:53:56.000 My god!

00:53:56.000 cities burned and temperatures soared you upped and left the Paris Accord you think this is a fun rhyme book?

00:54:03.000 With your inaction the earth will cook I've had enough of empty vows, your plastic bags, your farting cows on a hot February day you barbecued and went to play but it's no time for celebration you totally screwed my generation if we don't protect all it's worth prepare to say goodbye earth Whoa, little frickin' Nostradamus over there. 0.87

00:54:29.000 My goodness! 0.81

00:54:30.000 And then you exp— I mean, that's like from a— that's from a— a terrible Stanley Kubrick horror film.

00:54:36.000 My goodness!

00:54:37.000 There's little kids sitting in front of the adults.

00:54:39.000 I mean, that's shot like a scene from a horror film, even.

00:54:42.000 With the up angles and everything.

00:54:45.000 That is not true, by the way.

00:54:49.000 This is why I don't take my advice from nine-year-olds.

00:54:51.000 I got a five-year-old.

00:54:51.000 I don't take my advice from her either.

00:54:53.000 When you start saying intelligent things, then we'll start taking your advice.

00:54:56.000 How about that?

00:54:57.000 And New York Times, what in the world?

00:54:59.000 I mean, I understand that the average op-ed columnist at the New York Times may have about the same level of rhetorical capacity as this nine-year-old boy, but that doesn't mean you should be pushing nine-year-olds and their poetry about global warming on your homepage.

00:55:13.000 My goodness.

00:55:13.000 Okay, time for a thing that I hate.

00:55:19.000 So once again, terror rockets hit Tel Aviv yesterday.

00:55:21.000 They were aimed at Tel Aviv.

00:55:22.000 They were shot down by the Iron Dome.

00:55:24.000 There's some video of what that looked like, actually.

00:55:28.000 Now you should understand how terrifying that is.

00:55:29.000 Those are rockets flying over the largest, most populous city in Israel.

00:55:35.000 And then the Iron Dome shoots down those rockets that are shot by Hamas from the Gaza Strip.

00:55:43.000 Why Israel, why any state would be expected to just sit there and take it as a hostile terrorist power, shot missiles at their civilian centers, is beyond me.

00:55:52.000 Yet, if Israel retaliates, undoubtedly they will be condemned, because that is the way that our media works.

00:55:58.000 Don't worry, guys.

00:55:58.000 Those are not anti-Semitic missiles directed at random Jews in Israel.

00:56:01.000 Those are just anti-Zionism missiles, guys. 0.63

00:56:03.000 Don't worry about it.

00:56:04.000 We shouldn't worry about any of the anti-Semitism of Hamas.

00:56:07.000 Really, it's all just about, they don't like the settlement policy.

00:56:10.000 That's why they're shooting into Tel Aviv. 0.88

00:56:12.000 Which isn't a settlement.

00:56:14.000 Okay, time for one more thing that I hate.

00:56:16.000 So, once again, another day, another college that has banned me, apparently.

00:56:20.000 So, a Christian university has now banned me.

00:56:23.000 This is Whitworth University, a private Christian university in Spokane, Washington.

00:56:26.000 They were being used as the backup to Gonzaga, which is also in Spokane, Washington.

00:56:29.000 Gonzaga had banned me, and then when they finally offered us a venue, they offered us a 20,000 seat venue.

00:56:35.000 Which, like, that is not useful to us.

00:56:37.000 Thank you so much, Gonzaga.

00:56:39.000 Finally, the student body held a vote.

00:56:42.000 The students at Whitworth University held a vote on whether they should allow me to show up.

00:56:47.000 And the vote was tied 9 to 9, and that's when the president of AWSU broke the tie and voted against me speaking on campus.

00:56:53.000 There was a 90-minute back and forth, and then there was a vote to stop YAF from inviting me in the first place.

00:56:59.000 The director of student activities, Jason Chapman, said, these issues are not simple.

00:57:02.000 There was not a clear majority.

00:57:04.000 I think this is reflective of today's political climate.

00:57:06.000 At the end of the day, I think that this student union stuck to the platform they ran on last year of transparency and unity.

00:57:14.000 Yeah, because transparency and unity is don't allow any of the opinions you don't like on campus.

00:57:18.000 Well done over there.

00:57:19.000 Okay, final thing that I hate today.

00:57:22.000 So Samantha Bee, who is the least funny human in the world, like legitimately in the world. 1.00

00:57:27.000 You cannot find a less funny human than Samantha Bee.

00:57:30.000 She's very angry at Democrats for not standing up for Ilhan Omar's anti-Semitism, which she just characterizes as anti-Israel.

00:57:37.000 Samantha Bee is the hack of hacks, but for some reason she has a job.

00:57:40.000 I think we all know what the reason is.

00:57:42.000 It's that she's on the left.

00:57:44.000 Democrats want to be the big tent, diverse party.

00:57:49.000 They're more than willing to pose with Omar on magazine covers, but when she tried to talk about a truly difficult topic, which is her job as an elected official, and her life was in danger, they kind of threw her under the bus.

00:58:00.000 Ilhan Omar went from being a Somalian refugee to a fearless congresswoman on the hill, and has demonstrated that she is willing to learn.

00:58:09.000 Okay, uh, no.

00:58:09.000 She has not demonstrated any willingness to learn, and there was no debate on the Hill.

00:58:13.000 She said something anti-Semitic, and you want her defended because she is a member of the intersectional coalition.

00:58:18.000 End of story.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - March 15, 2019

The Nature Of Evil | Ep. 738

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