The Ben Shapiro Show - October 08, 2026


THIS Clip Is What Happens When Parents Fail

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00:00:10.000 That right there is video of a six year old kid who just shot his teacher in the chest.
00:00:15.000 It's not coming from nowhere, and it's not the result of systemic discrimination against black kids.
00:00:19.000 It's not because 150 years ago slavery happened or because of Jim Crow.
00:00:23.000 It's not because of white supremacy or discrimination.
00:00:26.000 It's because this kid had an awful mom and a horrendous dad.
00:00:36.000 That right there is the body cam footage of Officer Brian Torres in Newport News, Virginia.
00:00:40.000 It's from January 6th, 2023.
00:00:42.000 It was released yesterday.
00:00:43.000 So according to the New York Post, the video was taken after JT, that's what they're calling the minor, shot his teacher, Abby's Warner, in front of 16 students in their first grade class January 6th, 2023.
00:00:53.000 The shooting took place the day after the kid returned to class from a suspension.
00:00:57.000 So in the footage, he's told to stop by a reading specialist named Amy Kovac.
00:01:02.000 who rushed into the classroom after the shooting and held the boy down in a bear hug.
00:01:06.000 The three minutes of body cam footage were introduced as an exhibit by the prosecution during the trial of former Rich Nick assistant principal Ebony Parker, who was facing felony child neglect counts tied to events before the shooting.
00:01:19.000 Those charges were dismissed even before the defense had to make its case.
00:01:23.000 Zwarner, who is the teacher who was shot here and was severely injured, was shot through the hand and in the chest, was awarded 10 million bucks following a civil trial against Parker, which ended in November 2025.
00:01:33.000 And JT's mom, A person named Deja Nicole Taylor was sent to state prison for child neglect.
00:01:39.000 She spent some time in federal prison, in part for lying about drug use on a background check form when she bought the firearm used in the shooting.
00:01:45.000 She got out of prison in February.
00:01:47.000 So, why is this important?
00:01:49.000 Well, the reason it's important is because we need to diagnose social pathologies that lead to situations like this.
00:01:56.000 Well, way back when, why exactly did this happen?
00:01:59.000 According to mom, mom blamed ADHD.
00:02:03.000 What can you tell us specifically about your son's disability?
00:02:07.000 So he has ADHD.
00:02:09.000 Some are able to have it at a very mild rate, but he's off the wall, doesn't sit still ever.
00:02:16.000 And why did the school decide that it was no longer necessary for the family to be in class?
00:02:22.000 He had started medication and he was meeting his goals academically.
00:02:28.000 Had your son ever spoken about hurting the teacher, or was there anything like any angst that he had against her?
00:02:36.000 No, he actually really liked her.
00:02:38.000 I will say that week, He did come home and he was talking, you know, a lot about how he felt like he was being ignored.
00:02:46.000 Okay, so according to the parent, it's about ADHD or he felt like he was being ignored or whatever.
00:02:54.000 And some people tried to blame the school.
00:02:56.000 Other members of the boy's family tried to do this.
00:02:58.000 According to ABC7, James Ellenson, who was Taylor's attorney, said the ultimate responsibility for the shooting was on school officials who prematurely enrolled the student in first grade despite knowing he had only attended two months of kindergarten and two months of pre K, and they were aware of his ADHD.
00:03:12.000 And the lawyer said if they believed all of these behaviors to be true, they should not have allowed him to advance to a higher level.
00:03:17.000 They should have put him back in kindergarten.
00:03:18.000 Now, as we know, actually, there's a lot of controversy over holding people back because then when you hold back kids, if they're of particular races, the claim is systemic racism.
00:03:26.000 Okay, so the school probably could, probably should have done more.
00:03:33.000 There were charges of neglect that were filed, as we say, against the former elementary school assistant principal, Ebony Parker, who had been accused, according to CBS News, of ignoring repeated warnings that the six year old student had a gun hours before the child eventually shot.
00:03:46.000 And seriously wounded his teacher, and those warnings were dismissed.
00:03:49.000 But in the end, why did this happen?
00:03:53.000 In the end, why did this happen?
00:03:55.000 Well, the answer is we know why this happened because terrible parenting has horrifying fruit.
00:04:01.000 Okay, that's why this happened.
00:04:03.000 The reason that you have a little six year old kid who shoots his teacher and then starts shouting about take me to jail bit.
00:04:11.000 The reason that happens is because six year olds don't normally do this sort of thing.
00:04:16.000 So here's what we know about the parents.
00:04:18.000 Deja Taylor was charged with using marijuana while in possession of a firearm and making a false statement about her drug use during the purchase of the firearm, both felonies, in the wake of that January shooting in 2023.
00:04:29.000 Federal prosecutors said at the time that the firearm used in the shooting was purchased by Taylor in July 2022, and they never found a lockbox, a trigger lock, or a key for the gun.
00:04:38.000 And it turns out that it's not just that mom was irresponsible with the weapons.
00:04:42.000 She and the daddy had modeled incredibly horrifying behavior for their child.
00:04:47.000 Again, according to WAVY.com, Taylor was pulled over for speeding in April 2021, and Williamsburg police discovered drugs in the car, including marijuana edibles that were within reach of her then four year old son.
00:05:03.000 It turns out that the dad, Malik Ellison, was in the car during that traffic stop.
00:05:09.000 Williamsburg police arrested Ellison and charged him with violating a protective order that Taylor had filed against him, prohibiting him from contact with her and her sons.
00:05:16.000 She already had a protective order against the dad.
00:05:19.000 Why was there a protective order that she was violating and so was he when he was in the car with edibles within reach of a four year old?
00:05:24.000 Well, it turns out that Taylor apparently sought a protective order against Daddy in September 2020 after he assaulted her at his St. Thomas Drive apartment.
00:05:33.000 Taylor called the police and said that Ellison came to the home uninvited, forced his way into the apartment, hit her in the face, and threw her to the ground.
00:05:40.000 Taylor told the police that the day before the assault, she had warned Ellison not to come to her home, and that he had followed her to McDonald's.
00:05:45.000 He was then convicted of assault and battery.
00:05:48.000 Taylor also reported that Ellison stalked her, showed up to her home with a gun, and assaulted her again in October 2020.
00:05:53.000 And then he was charged with domestic assault in 2021, but Taylor wasn't the victim.
00:05:58.000 In fact, he was already in a relationship with another woman in June 2021.
00:06:02.000 That woman called Newport News Police, In August 2021 and told investigators he came to her home, put his hand around her neck and threatened to kill her.
00:06:09.000 So where is this kid getting this?
00:06:11.000 I don't know.
00:06:11.000 Maybe the father figure in this particular situation appears to be a violent criminal.
00:06:18.000 Maybe mom who has dad involved in the kid's life to the extent that they are in a car with edibles within reach of the four year old.
00:06:24.000 Maybe mom who is buying guns while lying on her gun forms about her drug use.
00:06:30.000 Maybe these parents are bad models for the kid.
00:06:33.000 Maybe that is the real issue.
00:06:34.000 And this is why this case is important.
00:06:36.000 When you see horrifying video like this, There's a tendency to blame all of America for cases like this.
00:06:43.000 But why is this case important?
00:06:45.000 Because if we're going to speak honestly about the causes of crime, particularly juvenile crime in America, we ought to be honest, like really, really honest.
00:06:54.000 Crime is not predominantly the result of permanent systemic poverty, for example, or discrimination.
00:07:00.000 Both permanent systemic poverty and crime in America are generally caused by terrible, horrible decision making.
00:07:08.000 Now, again, that doesn't mean that every person who experiences poverty made bad decisions.
00:07:12.000 I'm using the words permanent and systemic.
00:07:15.000 If you're permanently poor in the United States, if your children are criminals, that is generally not the fault of the systems.
00:07:21.000 And this is why it is such a mistake to elect politicians who say they can cure all of this stuff with the power of government.
00:07:27.000 In America, it remains true that if you perform the following tasks, you will not be permanently poor.
00:07:34.000 Also, if you perform the following tasks, it's very unlikely your child will be a criminal.
00:07:38.000 One, graduate high school.
00:07:40.000 Two, work full time.
00:07:41.000 Three, get married before you have kids.
00:07:44.000 In this particular case, I'm not sure how many of these conditions were fulfilled.
00:07:47.000 I know one that certainly was not fulfilled, which was marry before having children.
00:07:51.000 In fact, 97% of all millennials who did those three things were not in poverty when they reached their mid thirties.
00:07:57.000 However, if you miss all three of those, you will have a 52% chance of ending up in poverty.
00:08:03.000 If you just graduate high school, you have a 31% chance of being in poverty.
00:08:07.000 If you graduate high school and get a full-time job, down to 16%.
00:08:11.000 Ranked by impact, the most important driver of poverty by far is missing the marriage before kids step.
00:08:18.000 That is the number one systemic failure In American society that leads to juvenile criminality and childhood poverty.
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00:10:40.000 So where does violence, particularly juvenile violence in America, come from?
00:10:43.000 It comes from social pathologies, often intergenerational.
00:10:47.000 And of course, this is nothing new.
00:10:48.000 In his highly controversial 1965 report, it was called, because this was the terminology at the time, the Negro Family, the case for national action.
00:10:56.000 Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan argued, At the time, quote, at the center of the tangle of pathology is the weakness of the family structure.
00:11:04.000 Once or twice removed, it will be found to be the principal source of most of the aberrant, inadequate, or antisocial behavior, which did not establish, but now serves to perpetuate the cycle of poverty and deprivation.
00:11:15.000 So this requires that we ask a simple question.
00:11:16.000 Again, this has major ramifications for government policy.
00:11:19.000 What broke the black family structure in America?
00:11:22.000 By the way, it also broke the family structure more generally in America.
00:11:26.000 Here is a chart of the percentage of people Never married among those age 35 and older by sex and race.
00:11:33.000 And what you see, look at the spike.
00:11:36.000 Look at the gigantic spike that begins in about 1980.
00:11:42.000 The percentage of black men who had never been married in 1980 was about 10%.
00:11:49.000 By the time you hit 2010, that number is over 25%.
00:11:52.000 But it's rising among every single group.
00:11:55.000 It's rising among every single group.
00:11:58.000 Now take a look at the median real earnings of black versus white men from 1940 to 2015.
00:12:04.000 And what you see in this particular chart is that essentially there is a massive spike in the median real earnings.
00:12:12.000 Of non Hispanic black and non Hispanic white men, 1940 to 2010.
00:12:18.000 And what you see is that everything kind of peters out around 1970.
00:12:24.000 Right?
00:12:24.000 The growth just kind of stops around 1970.
00:12:29.000 Well, why is that?
00:12:31.000 What changed?
00:12:31.000 What happened 1970 to 1980?
00:12:34.000 The answer is pretty clear.
00:12:35.000 Thomas Dole writes a vastly expanded welfare state in the 1960s destroyed the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and generations of racial oppression.
00:12:43.000 In 1960, Before the expansion of the welfare state, 22% of black kids were raised with only one parent.
00:12:48.000 By 1985, 67% of black children were raised with either one parent or no parent.
00:12:55.000 Well, what's the result of all of that?
00:12:56.000 Again, those percentages are still unbelievably high today.
00:12:59.000 And not much has changed since the 1980s in this respect.
00:13:02.000 What's the result?
00:13:03.000 Well, a truth that everybody knows, but no one is willing to talk about.
00:13:06.000 An extraordinarily high rate of violence and delinquency among young black males.
00:13:10.000 That's not racism.
00:13:11.000 That's just statistics.
00:13:13.000 And again, it has nothing to do with the actual skin color.
00:13:16.000 It's because of a social pathology that is fully curable through individual responsible decision making.
00:13:21.000 Okay, this is a problem.
00:13:24.000 If you're going to face down problems, you actually have to talk about them.
00:13:28.000 Young black males aged 14 to 17 commit homicide at about 10 times the rate of white male teenagers who are the same age.
00:13:35.000 Again, that is not because of color of skin.
00:13:37.000 That is because of, again, the confound here, the statistical confound, which is being raised in a single mother home.
00:13:46.000 A 2024 study.
00:13:56.000 That's not racism.
00:13:58.000 That's not racism.
00:14:00.000 That is because, again, when you have a high concentration of fatherless families, you have higher levels of crime.
00:14:04.000 Homicide is the leading cause of death.
00:14:06.000 The leading cause of death for black males between the ages of 10 and 24 nationwide.
00:14:12.000 In 2024, the national violent crime arrest rate for black youth was 362 per 100,000.
00:14:18.000 That is compared to 70 per 100,000.
00:14:20.000 For white youth.
00:14:22.000 Now, again, I may not be an expert at math, but I can do some basic math.
00:14:26.000 That means that the national violent crime arrest rate for black youth is five times the national violent crime arrest rate for white youth.
00:14:32.000 And that is not because of racism in law enforcement.
00:14:35.000 As of 2024, about two thirds of black kids in the United States live in single family homes, single parent homes.
00:14:43.000 And this also has an impact on delinquency in schools.
00:14:47.000 Again, all of this is part of a social pathology where you don't have responsible parents, dad and mom, both.
00:14:53.000 available to the kids in a married family structure.
00:14:57.000 You can blame that on systems all you want, but I promise you that the government intervening in these systems is actually the problem, not the solution.
00:15:04.000 And the causation here is extraordinarily clear.
00:15:08.000 Chronic truancy, meaning 18 or more unexcused absences, five times higher in black elementary school students in California than for white students.
00:15:17.000 Again, these are just statistics.
00:15:20.000 In 2020, Kamala Harris, by the way, when she was the Attorney General of the state championed a state law that made chronic elementary truancy a misdemeanor for parents.
00:15:29.000 And then she had to walk that back because too many people got angry at her at the time.
00:15:34.000 They claimed that it was racist to make chronic elementary truancy a misdemeanor for parents.
00:15:38.000 Black students are getting suspended at nearly three times the rate of white students nationally.
00:15:42.000 Black students self report being in a physical fight at school twice as much as white students.
00:15:47.000 Schools filled with 50% or more minority students.
00:15:51.000 So, at 10 times the rate of gang activity than schools with a 5 to 20% minority population.
00:15:57.000 Four times as many minority majority schools reported weekly verbal abuse of teachers versus schools with less than 20% minority student populations.
00:16:04.000 You know who knows this, by the way?
00:16:05.000 Nicole Hannah Jones' daughter.
00:16:06.000 Nicole Hannah Jones put her daughter in a majority minority school specifically to quote unquote combat the system.
00:16:12.000 And in return, her daughter said, What are you doing?
00:16:15.000 You're ruining my life.
00:16:17.000 Now, again, this is a massive difference between left and right.
00:16:21.000 Because in the rational community, we look at the facts on the ground and then we form narrative around the facts.
00:16:27.000 In the irrational community, meaning in this case, the political left, we have a narrative and then we just ignore all the facts that don't fit it.
00:16:34.000 So, for example, the Obama Education and Justice Department viewed disproportion as proof of teacher and principal bias.
00:16:41.000 The reason that more black kids than white kids on On average, like per capita, we're getting suspended.
00:16:46.000 Had to be racist officials.
00:16:48.000 Administration officials used litigation and threatened loss of federal funding to force schools to reduce suspensions and expulsions radically in order to eliminate racial disparities and discipline.
00:16:59.000 So Obama's educational report, when he did this school discipline report, it didn't control for family structure or student behavior.
00:17:06.000 It did control for the percentage of poor students who were receiving school lunches.
00:17:11.000 So again, the idea was that it was just government lack that led to criminal and juvenile behavior.
00:17:16.000 Juvenile delinquent behavior.
00:17:18.000 But that's not true.
00:17:19.000 Okay.
00:17:20.000 Again, the idea from the left is that it must be racism that is causing this wrong.
00:17:23.000 It is people making bad decisions about how to procreate and raise their children.
00:17:27.000 That is what is driving social pathologies that result in videotape of a six year old cursing out police officers after shooting his teacher in a classroom.
00:17:37.000 Heather McDonald, who has done deep studies into all of this, wrote of Obama's government accountability office report, quote, teachers are most among the most liberal professionals in the country.
00:17:47.000 Education school is one long marinade in white privilege theory.
00:17:50.000 Yet, we're supposed to believe that once these social justice warriors enter the classroom, they're unable to evaluate their black students fairly.
00:17:56.000 Overcome by prejudice, they see disruption and defiance where none exists.
00:17:59.000 The opposite hypothesis is more likely.
00:18:01.000 Teachers strive mightily to avoid removing black children from classrooms.
00:18:04.000 They do so only after other means of discipline have been exhausted, and they do so in order to preserve the right of other students to learn in a safe and orderly environment and to instill a sense of consequences in students who break the rules.
00:18:15.000 Okay, so why again is all of this so important?
00:18:18.000 The reason all this is important is because when all the systems of the United States, your media ecosystem, your educational ecosystem, your governmental system tells you that every disparity is caused by governmental discrimination or by social discrimination and that you have no control over your own life.
00:18:35.000 You end up with worse, worse results for everybody, particularly for children.
00:18:39.000 And in this case, for the victims of children.
00:18:42.000 It's a full scale disaster area.
00:18:44.000 So if we wish to cure America of social pathologies, we ought to look to individual decision making rather than simply blaming the system at large.
00:18:52.000 And the right, by the way, should pay attention to this too, because the right has fallen into a bizarre collectivism with regard to an awful large number of problems in the United States.
00:19:00.000 Oh, it must be the system.
00:19:01.000 The government ought to get involved.
00:19:03.000 Well, maybe it turns out that you telling everybody, particularly young men, you can't get married, you can't have kids, nobody will even let you anymore is nonsense.
00:19:12.000 It turns out that the cure for the vast majority of problems in the United States is you making better decisions yourself.
00:19:18.000 This is true always and forever in a free country like the United States.
00:19:23.000 Sure, there are obstacles and we should fight them.
00:19:25.000 But those obstacles are so far lower than the obstacles for most of human history to making good decisions and reaping the benefits of that.
00:19:34.000 That people sitting around complaining, I can't get married, I can't have kids, I can't.
00:19:37.000 Yes, you can.
00:19:38.000 Yes, you can.
00:19:40.000 And giving people excuses not to do that is why you end up with situations like this one that you saw in Newport News, Virginia.
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00:19:57.000 Every significant movement in history has started with protesting.
00:19:59.000 You have traded.
00:20:00.000 Uncle Tom.
00:20:01.000 This is our generation's civil rights.
00:20:03.000 I have no idea what.
00:20:03.000 The protest is about.
00:20:04.000 Bingo!
00:20:05.000 Given the current climate, should a figure as polarizing as Clay Saunders even be allowed on campus?
00:20:10.000 Ah, can you hear me okay?
00:20:12.000 Saunders is a close personal friend of Chancellor Friedman.
00:20:14.000 This is a decision I cannot fight.
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