The Ben Shapiro Show - Tucker Carlson Sabotages America

00:00:00.000 Hey folks, I want to do something different on today's show.

00:00:02.000 We're going to cover one topic in depth.

00:00:05.000 That topic is, I think, the most important thing happening in the country.

00:00:09.000 It was a hot topic last week, but I wanted to take some time to really gather my thoughts and speak on it in coherent fashion, holistic fashion.

00:00:17.000 That topic is the fragmentation of the political right.

00:00:20.000 That fragmentation is being caused purposefully by a splinter faction of people led by a young man named Nick Fuentes.

00:00:27.000 They call themselves the Groipers.

00:00:28.000 They are white supremacists.

00:00:29.000 They hate women, Jews, Hindus, many types of Christians, brown people of a wide variety of backgrounds, blacks, America's foreign policy, and America's Constitution.

00:00:38.000 They admire Hitler and Stalin. 0.89

00:00:40.000 And that splinter faction is now being facilitated and normalized within the mainstream Republican Party.

00:00:46.000 The main agents in that normalization is Tucker Carlson, who is an intellectual coward, a dishonest interlocutor, and a terrible friend.

00:00:54.000 And Tucker Carlson last week was aided, abetted, celebrated for normalizing Nazism within the Republican Party by the mainstay organization of the traditional right, the Heritage Foundation.

00:01:04.000 Now, before we explain what's been happening, let's make one thing clear.

00:01:08.000 This is not about free speech or cancellation.

00:01:10.000 It was never about free speech or cancellation.

00:01:12.000 Free speech has a definition, the right to speak free of governmental coercion.

00:01:16.000 I believe in it, of course.

00:01:17.000 I've always defended it.

00:01:18.000 Criticism of bad speech is, in fact, just a form of free speech.

00:01:22.000 Cancellation also has a definition, the banning of particular people, including people like Nick Fuentes, from platforms like X or Facebook.

00:01:29.000 I believe that Nick Fuentes is odious and despicable, but I've never called for his cancellation.

00:01:34.000 And in fact, I've called for his restoration to those services, despite the fact that I think he's odious and despicable.

00:01:40.000 It is not cancellation to draw moral lines between viewpoints.

00:01:44.000 In fact, we used to call that one of the key aspects of conservatism.

00:01:48.000 It is not cancellation to refuse to signal boost Hitler's supporters like Nick Fuentes.

00:01:53.000 It is not cancellation to criticize Tucker Carlson for rhetorically fluffing Nick Fuentes and other anti-American crackpots.

00:02:00.000 It's not cancellation if you urge others to stop promoting those who rhetorically fluff Nazi apologists.

00:02:05.000 Those are all elements of free speech.

00:02:08.000 And anyone who says differently is lying to you and lying for the most cynical reasons to misdirect from their own defense of those Nazi apologists and their promoters.

00:02:17.000 The issue here isn't that Tucker Carlson had Nick Fuentes on his show last week.

00:02:21.000 He has every right to do that, of course.

00:02:22.000 The issue here is that Tucker Carlson decided to normalize and fluff Nick Fuentes and that the Heritage Foundation then decided to robustly defend that performance.

00:02:31.000 Those who criticize both Tucker and Heritage aren't canceling.

00:02:35.000 They are quite properly drawing a moral line.

00:02:37.000 So for those who don't understand what's going on, let's begin with Nick Fuentes.

00:02:42.000 Now, as I mentioned, last week, Tucker Carlson had on Nick Fuentes.

00:02:46.000 Fuentes is a 27-year-old man who's dubbed himself the leader of a movement called the Groipers.

00:02:50.000 He has a large audience of alienated young white men in particular, and he's earned increased media attention over the course of the past few years, especially over the last year.

00:02:59.000 Now, from Tucker Carlson's interview, you might have gathered that Fuentes has some borderline views on race, a peculiar obsession with what he calls organized Jewry, and a rather sad relationship with the female sex.

00:03:10.000 But probably you came away thinking that for the most part, Fuentes lives on the radical edge of normality.

00:03:15.000 You think that if you watch the interview, because Tucker Carlson decided that it was important not only to host Fuentes, but to smooth over his views, water them down, and make them far more palatable to a normal audience.

00:03:26.000 As we'll discuss in a bit, this is what Tucker Carlson does for a living.

00:03:30.000 But back to Nick Fuentes.

00:03:31.000 To understand just what Tucker did here, we must actually examine what Nick Fuentes says on his show and has said for almost a decade, because he was asked precisely zero questions about any of what you're about to see by Tucker Carlson.

00:03:44.000 Nick Fuentes says women want to be raped.

00:03:48.000 A lot of women want to be raped. 1.00

00:03:51.000 And when I say raped, I mean like, that sounds bad when I say it like that.

00:03:56.000 But there's like a lot of women that really want a guy to beat the shit out of them. 1.00

00:04:02.000 But also they have to pretend, but part of it is they have to pretend like they don't.

00:04:07.000 Nick Fuentes says that his followers should kill, rape, and die in his name.

00:04:13.000 Raise your right hand.

00:04:14.000 All right, everybody, raise your right hand.

00:04:16.000 Raise your right hand.

00:04:17.000 Repeat after me.

00:04:19.000 I will kill, rape, and die for Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:04:24.000 Nick Fuentes says that women are whores who shouldn't be in politics. 1.00

00:04:30.000 I will continue my crusade against women in politics. 1.00

00:04:34.000 Because it's always like this, and it's so ironic.

00:04:36.000 Women are like, I don't like, when you say, I like, you have to affect the face. 1.00

00:04:42.000 When you say to repeal the 19th Amendment, that offends me.

00:04:45.000 That hurts my feelings.

00:04:46.000 It's like, have you ever stopped and considered that maybe if you get offended, there's such a strong emotional reaction to political opinions you disagree with across the board.

00:05:00.000 Maybe that's one of the reasons why you shouldn't be making political decisions.

00:05:03.000 I'm not attacking women.

00:05:05.000 I'm attacking whores. 1.00

00:05:07.000 You have no problems, right?

00:05:08.000 I'm attacking whores. 1.00

00:05:10.000 I'm attacking sluts, stupid, dirty bitches. 1.00

00:05:14.000 Nick Fuentes says that Jim Crow was actually better for black people.

00:05:18.000 It was better for them too, number one.

00:05:20.000 But number two, who cares?

00:05:22.000 Who cares?

00:05:23.000 You know, enough with the Jim Crow stuff. 0.95

00:05:24.000 Who cares?

00:05:26.000 Oh, they had to drink out of a different water fountain.

00:05:29.000 Big fucking deal.

00:05:30.000 Oh, no.

00:05:31.000 They had to go to a different school.

00:05:33.000 Their water fountain in that famous picture was worse.

00:05:36.000 Who cares?

00:05:37.000 Grow up.

00:05:38.000 Drink out of the fucking water fountain.

00:05:39.000 It's water.

00:05:40.000 It's the same.

00:05:41.000 You know, and, you know, even if it was bad, who cares?

00:05:45.000 Who cares?

00:05:46.000 It's better.

00:05:47.000 It's better in general.

00:05:48.000 It was better for them.

00:05:48.000 We all agree.

00:05:49.000 It's better for us.

00:05:50.000 Better in general.

00:05:51.000 Nick Fuentes says that white people are justified in being racist.

00:05:55.000 Reason that we talk about this, by the way, I know a lot of black people see this and they go, man, why are you always talking about black people, this and that?

00:06:04.000 Because there just needs to be some shame here.

00:06:07.000 Well, there's a few reasons.

00:06:09.000 First, white people are every single bit justified in being racist.

00:06:16.000 Every single bit justified to the extent that that means going out of your way to avoid black people when you see them. 1.00

00:06:24.000 Nick Fuentes is a Hitler admirer and a Holocaust denier.

00:06:29.000 Buddy, it's Führer Friday.

00:06:31.000 It is Hitler Friday. 0.92

00:06:33.000 Shut up. 0.95

00:06:35.000 It is Heil Hitler Friday, nigga. 1.00

00:06:38.000 Heil Hitler, all my niggas, Nazis. 0.64

00:06:41.000 Hitler was a pedophile and kind of a pagan. 0.96

00:06:45.000 It's like, well, he was also really fucking cool.

00:06:49.000 So, you know, time to grow up.

00:06:52.000 We're not children anymore.

00:06:54.000 Am I right?

00:06:55.000 Am I right?

00:06:56.000 Am I right, boys?

00:06:57.000 Am I right?

00:06:58.000 Let's go.

00:07:00.000 He was also really fucking cool.

00:07:03.000 It doesn't really sound correct to me.

00:07:05.000 It takes one hour to cook a batch of cookies and you have 15 ovens, probably in four different kitchens, right?

00:07:05.000 Wait a second.

00:07:12.000 Doing 24 hours a day every day for five years.

00:07:15.000 How long would it take you to make 6 million?

00:07:18.000 Hmm, I don't know.

00:07:19.000 It certainly wouldn't be five years, right?

00:07:21.000 The math doesn't seem to add up there.

00:07:23.000 The math doesn't quite seem to add up there.

00:07:25.000 I don't think you'd result in 6 million, maybe 200 to 300,000 cookies.

00:07:30.000 And I think the Red Cookie Association said something like that.

00:07:34.000 Probably 200 to 300,000 cookies baked, probably.

00:07:38.000 And in addition, you know, in this hypothetical, I imagine that if you took aerial photographs over the kitchens, you would need to see certain smokestacks to release the smoke from baking the cookies.

00:07:50.000 And the smokestacks would project certain shadows, but I guess they're not visible in the aerial photographs taken over the kitchens.

00:07:57.000 Moreover, if you look at the soil texture, it's really not deep enough for mass cookie storage underground.

00:08:05.000 Nick Fuentes believes that the Jews start all the wars, that perfidious Jews in positions of power ought to be killed, and says the Jews are filth who have to be removed from the country.

00:08:15.000 And once again, remember who is responsible for it all?

00:08:20.000 The Jews. 0.64

00:08:21.000 They are responsible for every war in the world.

00:08:25.000 It's not even debatable at this point.

00:08:28.000 This has nothing to do with oil.

00:08:30.000 This has nothing to do with democracy.

00:08:33.000 This has nothing to do with liberal internationalism.

00:08:36.000 We are at war with Iran because they pose a threat to Israel's hegemony. 1.00

00:08:41.000 That's why we're bombing their nukes to pave the way for regime change so Israel can dominate the region because that makes them the most powerful they can be. 0.99

00:08:51.000 There is an occult element at the high levels of society and specifically among the Jews. 0.68

00:09:00.000 So many of the people that are perpetrating the lies and the destruction on the country, they are evildoers.

00:09:08.000 They are people that worship false gods.

00:09:10.000 They are people that practice magic or rituals or whatever.

00:09:14.000 And more than anything, those people need to be, when we take power, they need to be given the death penalty.

00:09:21.000 Straight up.

00:09:23.000 And I'm far more concerned about that than I am about even non-white people or mass migration. 0.89

00:09:32.000 These people that are that are communing with demons and engaging in this sort of witchcraft and stuff, and these people that are suppressing the name Christ and suppressing Christianity, they must be absolutely annihilated when we take power.

00:09:46.000 This is God's country.

00:09:47.000 This is Jesus' country.

00:09:49.000 This is not the domain of atheists or devil worshipers or perfidious Jews. 0.99

00:09:54.000 This is Christ's country.

00:09:56.000 Josh Hammer and Mark Levin, fuck these people.

00:10:02.000 Like deeply, seriously, all real Americans, if you are a real American, if you were born in this country, I don't even care who you are, what you are.

00:10:15.000 If you are a real American that loves this country, you have generations in this country.

00:10:21.000 Your family or you fought for this flag, fought for the Constitution, fought for our church, fought for our civilization.

00:10:30.000 For all of you, I say about Josh Hammer and Mark Levin and Laura Loomer, fuck them.

00:10:38.000 Fuck them.

00:10:39.000 Deeply, seriously, get them the fuck out of our country.

00:10:44.000 Nick Fuentes, it should be mentioned, despises Donald Trump and the MAGA movement as well.

00:10:50.000 Fuck you.

00:10:51.000 Fuck you.

00:10:52.000 You suck.

00:10:54.000 You are fat.

00:10:55.000 You are a joke.

00:10:56.000 You are stupid.

00:10:58.000 You are not funny.

00:10:59.000 You are not as smart as you think you are.

00:11:04.000 And honestly, and if you watched my show, you know, I've been very critical.

00:11:09.000 I've never been this far.

00:11:11.000 This just goes to show this entire thing has been a scam.

00:11:16.000 When we look back on the history of populism in America, we are going to look back on the MAGA movement as the biggest scam in American history.

00:11:25.000 And the liberals were right.

00:11:27.000 The MAGA supporters were had.

00:11:29.000 They were.

00:11:30.000 So that right there is just a brief glimpse into the twisted mind of Nick Fuentes.

00:11:34.000 And there's plenty more where that came from, of course.

00:11:37.000 Hours of it per day, in fact.

00:11:39.000 And there's no doubt that Nick Fuentes has a lot of play these days.

00:11:42.000 That's because the left, by moving into a politics of anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-male identitarianism, created its bizarro mirror image, a white pseudo-Christian in-cell identitarian movement dedicated to destroying the institutions of this country and replacing Americanism with something else.

00:11:59.000 Nick Fluent's philosophy is not fully formed.

00:12:01.000 It's an incoherent stew of malignity.

00:12:04.000 But that's where Tucker Carlson enters the story.

00:12:06.000 Now, since his exit from Fox News in 2023, when, of course, he was a very, very popular host, Tucker Carlson has turned himself into a conspiracist and a crank and a pathological liar.

00:12:16.000 Tucker excuses Vladimir Putin's murderous and barbarous reign.

00:12:20.000 He has even become one of his most ardent defenders.

00:12:23.000 It is so much nicer than any city in my country.

00:12:26.000 I had no idea.

00:12:27.000 My father spent a lot of time there in the 80s when he worked for the U.S. government and it barely had electricity.

00:12:32.000 And now it is so much cleaner and safer and prettier aesthetically.

00:12:36.000 It's architecture, it's food, it's service than any country, a city in the United States that you have to, and this is non-ideological.

00:12:43.000 How did that happen?

00:12:44.000 How did that happen?

00:12:46.000 And at a certain point, I don't think the average person cares as much about abstractions as about the concrete reality of his life.

00:12:53.000 And if you can't use your subway, for example, as many people are afraid to in New York City because it's too dangerous, you have to sort of wonder, like, isn't that the ultimate measure of leadership?

00:13:02.000 And that's true, by the way, it's radicalizing for an American to go to Moscow.

00:13:06.000 I didn't know that.

00:13:06.000 I've learned it this week.

00:13:08.000 To Singapore, to Tokyo, to Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

00:13:12.000 Because these cities, no matter how we're told they're run and on what principles they're run, are wonderful places to live.

00:13:19.000 So I guess you put in 10 rubles here and you get it back when you put the cart back.

00:13:27.000 So it's free, but there's an incentive to return it and not just bring it to your homeless encampment.

00:13:33.000 I went from amused to legitimately angry.

00:13:38.000 So we were guessing what this would cost.

00:13:40.000 Everybody here is from the United States buys groceries and we didn't pay any attention to costs as we were just putting in the cart what we would actually eat over a week.

00:13:47.000 And we all came in around 400 bucks, about 400 bucks.

00:13:52.000 It was $104 U.S. here.

00:13:55.000 And that's when you start to realize that ideology maybe doesn't matter as much as you thought, corruption.

00:14:01.000 If you take people's standard of living and you tank it through filth and crime and inflation, and they literally can't buy the groceries they want, at that point, maybe it matters less what you say or whether you're a good person or a bad person.

00:14:16.000 You're wrecking people's lives in their country, and that's what our leaders have done to us.

00:14:20.000 When Tucker Carlson interviewed Vladimir Putin, by the way, Vladimir Putin was so amused by Tucker Carlson's easy questioning that he actually mocked him.

00:14:27.000 Tucker Carlson has massaged the Iranian dictatorship and admitted to not asking any difficult questions of the president of that dictatorship.

00:14:34.000 The interview is limited by a couple of factors.

00:14:37.000 One, it was done by remote through a translator.

00:14:39.000 That's always awkward.

00:14:41.000 For another, I don't speak Persian.

00:14:43.000 And there are all kinds of questions that I didn't ask the president of Iran, particularly questions to which I knew I could not get an honest answer, such as, was your nuclear program totally disabled by the bombing campaign by the U.S. government a week and a half ago?

00:14:56.000 There's no chance he's going to answer that question, honestly.

00:14:58.000 I didn't bother to ask it.

00:15:00.000 The answer, in fact, from an American perspective, even from the CIA's perspective, is unknowable.

00:15:06.000 Tucker bizarrely worships at the altar of Qatar.

00:15:09.000 They're mad at you because you don't put your parents in some institution.

00:15:14.000 Maybe they're trying to break up your families.

00:15:17.000 Well, it can be.

00:15:19.000 It can be a reason.

00:15:20.000 Honestly, I don't know what is really the purpose behind this, but we see that a lot of things that are happening are attacks on humanity in general.

00:15:36.000 When you lose the family value, when you lose the connection between the family themselves, you will lose the connection between the people as well on a broader level, on the people in the same neighborhood, on the people in the same region, in the same countries.

00:15:50.000 And that basically will just make us, you know, as individuals who are quote unquote independent from anyone.

00:15:59.000 That's what we will feel.

00:16:01.000 Yet it will just make our societies vulnerable and easy to be penetrated.

00:16:06.000 That's right.

00:16:07.000 Tucker Carlson praises Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro, even as Maduro keeps the entire country in communist penury and ships fentanyl into the United States to kill Americans by the hundreds of thousands.

00:16:18.000 Why are we so opposed to Nicolas Maduro?

00:16:21.000 So if you ask someone on the street, random person, why are we against Nicolas Maduro?

00:16:26.000 The answer you're going to get is who's Nicolas Maduro.

00:16:28.000 But if you find someone in South Florida, for example, who knows who Nicolas Maduro is, who can identify where Venezuela is on a map, that person will almost certainly say, well, because he's a communist or a socialist.

00:16:39.000 He's exceedingly left-wing.

00:16:40.000 And that is true.

00:16:41.000 Nicolas Maduro and his government are very left-wing on economics, not on social policy, by the way, which is kind of interesting.

00:16:49.000 In Venezuela, gay marriage is banned.

00:16:52.000 Abortion is banned.

00:16:53.000 Sex changes for transgenderism are banned.

00:16:57.000 It's one of the very few countries in the entire hemisphere with those policies.

00:17:01.000 It is on social policy, not defending the regime, just saying one of the most conservative countries in North or South or Central America.

00:17:12.000 Only El Salvador really comes close.

00:17:15.000 Tucker Carlson glosses Hamas, the genocidal jihadi group behind October 7th, as a political organization.

00:17:21.000 You can't claim that they're in Hamas while simultaneously claiming that Hamas is a group of jihadis.

00:17:28.000 They're Islamic extremists, which they also claim constantly.

00:17:32.000 I don't know if that's true, by the way.

00:17:33.000 It seems more like a political organization, but whatever it is, they're telling us constantly they're al-Qaeda.

00:17:38.000 Tucker Carlson has attacked President Trump as a cover-up artist for sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein on behalf of Israel and Mossad, making sure, of course, never to mention President Trump's name, because, of course, Tucker's a coward.

00:17:50.000 And moreover, it's extremely obvious to anyone who watches that this guy had direct connections to a foreign government.

00:17:58.000 Now, no one's allowed to say that that foreign government is Israel because we have been somehow cowed into thinking that that's naughty.

00:18:08.000 There is nothing wrong with saying that.

00:18:10.000 There is nothing hateful about saying that.

00:18:13.000 Tucker Carlson has stated that President Trump has undermined America first and MAGA by attacking Iran, giving in to neocon ghouls like Mark Levin, while also idiotically arguing that President Trump striking Iran's nuclear facilities would lead to World War III.

00:18:27.000 Spoiler alert, it didn't.

00:18:29.000 Tucker Carlson also said in his interview with Nick Fuentes that the people he hates most in the entire world, more than ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Trans Tifa, Marxists, rapists, murderers, are Christian Zionists who represent an enormous chunk of the conservative base.

00:18:44.000 According to Tucker Carlson, who admits that he first read the Bible all the way through just two years ago, Christians who support a Jewish state of Israel are heretics and blasphemers with a brain virus.

00:18:54.000 How do you explain Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz?

00:18:59.000 And they're a lot like that, John Bolton.

00:19:01.000 I mean, I've known them all.

00:19:02.000 George W. Bush, like Karl Rove.

00:19:05.000 I mean, all people I know personally who I've seen be seized by this brain virus, and they're not Jewish. 0.91

00:19:13.000 Most of them are self-described Christians.

00:19:15.000 And then the Christian Zionists who are, well, Christian Zionists. 0.85

00:19:21.000 Like, what is that?

00:19:22.000 And I could just say for myself, I dislike them more than anybody, you know, because like what?

00:19:31.000 Because it's Christian heresy. 1.00

00:19:32.000 And I'm offended with that as a Christian.

00:19:35.000 Tucker Carlson has said that he despises American Jews who care about October 7th.

00:19:40.000 We, in his words, don't care about America and also want to get his kids killed in a foreign war. 0.99

00:19:45.000 You know, I've got four draft-age children.

00:19:48.000 So if you're playing recklessly fast and loose with their lives, then I have a right to despise you.

00:19:53.000 And I do.

00:19:54.000 So if you're Nikki Haley who's running for president or Ben Shapiro or half the people I see on television casually mentioning the possibility of nuclear war or sending Americans to fight in the Middle East or in any way involving us in a war that has nothing to do with prosperity and peace at home, nothing in other words to do with us, Americans, then I have a right to call you out and be really offended because it's my family.

00:20:19.000 They live here.

00:20:20.000 It's not a joke to me.

00:20:21.000 It knows nothing abstract about it.

00:20:23.000 But most of all, Tucker Carlson acts as an ideological launderer for other people's evils.

00:20:29.000 Tucker Carlson says many inflammatory things, always buying back just enough of it to appear as though he's not saying what he's clearly saying.

00:20:36.000 He's a master of gaslighting.

00:20:38.000 Tucker Carlson, for example, would never say out loud what Nick Fuentes does.

00:20:42.000 He wouldn't say the things many of his guests say.

00:20:44.000 And so instead, he acts as an ideological launderer.

00:20:47.000 He takes other people's hideous ideas, he softens them, he treats them with love and care, and then he provides them with a massive signal boost.

00:20:54.000 He isn't merely talking to people in good faith, of course.

00:20:56.000 He's promoting certain people and ideas and attacking others.

00:20:59.000 So, for example, he'll ask a series of wildly obsequious questions to Nick Fuentes.

00:21:04.000 He'll even let Nick Fuentes' support for Joseph Stalin slide.

00:21:08.000 It's actually funny.

00:21:09.000 It was December 18th.

00:21:10.000 I remember because that's an important date to me.

00:21:12.000 And it's Joseph Stalin's birthday.

00:21:15.000 Oh, I'm a fan.

00:21:16.000 You're a fan of Stalin's. 0.60

00:21:18.000 Oh, he's an admirer.

00:21:19.000 But we don't need to go into that, I guess.

00:21:22.000 Let's get back to it.

00:21:25.000 We'll circle back to that.

00:21:27.000 But he will grill Ted Cruz about the population of Iran.

00:21:30.000 Tucker Carlson will have on Vladimir Putin's evil anti-American mouthpiece, Alexander Dugin, and then praise him.

00:21:36.000 Alexander Dugin is a 62-year-old Russian academic philosopher.

00:21:42.000 He spent his life in Moscow.

00:21:44.000 He was an anti-Soviet dissident as a young man.

00:21:47.000 And now he is famous the world over, in the English language press anyway, as quote, Putin's brain.

00:21:53.000 But he is not a political figure here in Russia.

00:21:55.000 He is, once again, a philosopher.

00:21:58.000 And his ideas are deeply offensive to some people.

00:22:02.000 In August of 2022, his only daughter was murdered in Moscow when a car bomb killed her.

00:22:09.000 U.S. intelligence says she was murdered by the Ukrainian government, and we take that at face value.

00:22:15.000 But what's interesting is that once again, Alexander Dugan is not a military leader.

00:22:19.000 He's not a close daily advisor to Vladimir Putin.

00:22:24.000 He is a writer who writes about big ideas.

00:22:28.000 And for this, his books have been banned by the Biden administration in the United States.

00:22:32.000 You cannot buy them on Amazon, banning books in the United States because the ideas inside are too dangerous.

00:22:38.000 He's often described, again, in the English language press, as far right.

00:22:42.000 We'll let you assess, but we wanted to talk to him about some of his ideas, these ideas that are so dangerous that his only daughter was murdered over them and his books have been banned in the United States.

00:22:52.000 Tucker Carlson will have on a Hitler-friendly pseudo-historian to minimize the Holocaust and blame Winston Churchill for World War II.

00:22:59.000 And he will call him America's best and most honest historian.

00:23:03.000 I thought Churchill was the chief villain of the Second World War.

00:23:07.000 Now, he didn't kill the most people.

00:23:09.000 He didn't commit the most atrocities.

00:23:12.000 But I believe, and I don't really think, I think when you really get into it and tell the story right and don't leave anything out, you see that he was primarily responsible for that war becoming what it did, becoming something other than an invasion of Poland.

00:23:26.000 You know, Germany, look, they put themselves into a position, and Adolf Hitler is chiefly responsible for this, but his old regime is responsible for it, that when they went into the East in 1941, they launched a war where they were completely unprepared to deal with the millions and millions of prisoners of war, of local political prisoners and so forth that they were going to have to handle. 0.78

00:23:54.000 They went in with no plan for that.

00:23:56.000 And they just threw these people into camps and millions of people ended up dead there.

00:24:02.000 And that is the pseudo-historian that Tucker Carlson has said is the best and most honest historian in America.

00:24:07.000 Tucker Carlson will have on over and over, a pro-Chinese propagandist who used global warming to promote global socialism, all in order to criticize Israel and hug China.

00:24:16.000 Israel has run American foreign policy in the Middle East for 30 years.

00:24:22.000 That's how it works.

00:24:24.000 This is actually the truth.

00:24:26.000 If we drop our angst on big bad Russia, actually, we didn't have a chance to talk about it this time. 0.93

00:24:35.000 Maybe another time.

00:24:36.000 Big bad China, which is also not going to invade the United States, not going to threaten us, not going to go to war with us.

00:24:44.000 They got their, they're trying to deal with aging and they've got their declining population and many other things.

00:24:50.000 Not that they're falling apart.

00:24:52.000 It's a very impressive civilization, but they're not a threat to the United States, honestly.

00:24:58.000 And Iran is not a threat.

00:25:01.000 Tucker Carlson, of course, brings on pro-Hamas voices episode after episode after episode.

00:25:05.000 The instances are almost limitless.

00:25:06.000 Tucker Carlson will host Andrew Tate, a pornographer and scam artist who mocks rape victims and preaches a cult of narcissism and cruelty.

00:25:13.000 And of course, Tucker Carlson will glorify him and present him as a maligned truth teller rather than an emblem of moral rot.

00:25:20.000 See, this is how Tucker Carlson's ideological laundering works.

00:25:23.000 You bring your dirty, ugly ideologies to Tucker Carlson's rhetorical car wash.

00:25:27.000 He mixes it with some of the vestigial respect Americans have for him from his Fox News days and voila, hideous ideas suddenly become mainstream.

00:25:35.000 And then, of course, Tucker denies he said anything controversial at all.

00:25:38.000 He was just asking questions.

00:25:40.000 He was just interviewing people.

00:25:41.000 You don't want him to cancel people, do you?

00:25:43.000 Of course, there is no First Amendment right to a Tucker Carlson sensual massage.

00:25:48.000 But to listen to Tucker, you'd think there was, so long as you despise America, oppose President Trump's foreign policy, and bear a peculiar dislike of Jews.

00:25:55.000 Tucker Carlson, you see, is a coward.

00:25:58.000 And here is where his relationship with Nick Fuentes begins, with Nick Fuentes correctly pointing out that Tucker Carlson is a coward.

00:26:04.000 You see, Tucker Carlson, a few weeks back, had on Candace Owens to treat her to his usual ideological laundering services.

00:26:11.000 That's after years of Candace Owens saying things like this.

00:26:14.000 And it is the case that dinosaur bones, for whatever reason, are always just found by the paleontologist.

00:26:19.000 Like, it's not like you and me walking outside.

00:26:21.000 I'm like, hey, a dinosaur bone.

00:26:23.000 And or by somebody who's related to a paleontologist.

00:26:27.000 It's very strange.

00:26:28.000 And then, but it was just convenient for Israel that JFK got shot. 0.64

00:26:33.000 It was just convenient to you guys.

00:26:35.000 Totally convenient.

00:26:36.000 It was convenient for Israel, by the way, when the towers went down.

00:26:39.000 I just want to be clear.

00:26:40.000 Anything happens to me, blame the Zionists. 0.99

00:26:42.000 Like 1000%, blame the Zionists. 0.85

00:26:45.000 Like let that be my parting word.

00:26:48.000 I'm waking people up to the fact that pedophiles are in power.

00:26:51.000 They're literally in power.

00:26:53.000 And that is intentional because then they can be controlled while they are in power.

00:26:56.000 And they are also exhibiting signs of a psychopathology, pathology that lets them know that they will do harm to the masses and feel nothing because they were themselves, many of them, raped when they were children.

00:27:07.000 It's not a coincidence that Justin Trudeau is gay.

00:27:10.000 Obama, gay. 0.56

00:27:11.000 Zelensky, gay. 0.73

00:27:12.000 Emmanuel Macron, gay and married to a trans man who molested him when he was a child.

00:27:19.000 Well, Candace Owens had recently hosted Nick Fuentes, and this led Tucker Carlson in an attempt to dissociate from Fuentes to label him a weird little gay kid operating from a basement and a Fed as well.

00:27:30.000 That's obvious to me.

00:27:32.000 I've been around a long time.

00:27:33.000 I know it when I see it.

00:27:34.000 Yeah, and I will say, I don't understand it.

00:27:36.000 We were very kind to him.

00:27:37.000 Like, I truly, like, we almost said, like, we felt maybe he was a bit lonely.

00:27:41.000 We should invite him back for dinner.

00:27:42.000 I mean, that's how good of an experience I had.

00:27:45.000 Yeah, clearly, and then it was a 180.

00:27:47.000 So it's either A, it's being driven from like a little boy insecurity, and he just was so worried that he just went on the attack because he doesn't know how to have normal relations after being banned everywhere.

00:27:56.000 I think there's the kind of angry gay kid thing going on. 1.00

00:28:00.000 Well, Nick Fuentes did not take kindly to this.

00:28:03.000 After all, here was Tucker Carlson, a man Nick Fuentes correctly sees as a fellow traveler, dismissing him, all the while refusing to say the sorts of things for which Fuentes takes slings and arrows.

00:28:12.000 And so Fuentes unleashed on him as a fraud and also as an expert on gaslighting.

00:28:18.000 Tucker is like the goat of gaslighting.

00:28:21.000 But unironically, he goes up at the memorial and said, Charlie Kirk told the truth.

00:28:27.000 You know who else told the truth?

00:28:29.000 Jesus.

00:28:30.000 And you know what happened?

00:28:31.000 He got killed by Jews. 1.00

00:28:33.000 And people said, so are you saying that the Jews killed Charlie Kirk in the way that they killed Jesus for telling the truth because they hate the truth? 0.54

00:28:43.000 And Tucker said, I never said that.

00:28:47.000 You're crazy.

00:28:49.000 I never said that.

00:28:50.000 Everyone eats hummus.

00:28:52.000 What do you mean?

00:28:53.000 Everyone runs Jerusalem. 0.97

00:28:56.000 But I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth.

00:29:00.000 Tucker Carlson says, I have so many trust funds, I never have to work.

00:29:05.000 Tucker went to a $45,000 per year private high school, then a $45,000 per year selective Ivy League school in New England.

00:29:15.000 Tucker Carlson's daddy was a Reagan appointee.

00:29:20.000 And then after years of bragging about being an elite, bragging about being so out of touch and so rich, now he's going to be the spokesperson for all the white people. 0.71

00:29:30.000 Now he's going to roll up his sleeves.

00:29:33.000 I just like to hunt and fish in my log cabin.

00:29:35.000 I care about Klarna and credit card debt.

00:29:40.000 But then when it comes to me, I'm one of the real disaffected white people.

00:29:44.000 You want to talk about me and them?

00:29:47.000 I am them.

00:29:49.000 Well, there was one big problem for Tucker Carlson in all of this.

00:29:52.000 Nick Fuentes is absolutely 100% correct.

00:29:56.000 Tucker is a coward.

00:29:57.000 And Tucker's audience, much of which he shares with Nick Fuentes, knows it.

00:30:01.000 And so Tucker hit upon a final stratagem.

00:30:03.000 He let Nick Fuentes cuck him.

00:30:05.000 He brought Nick Fuentes on to legitimate his ideology.

00:30:08.000 He signal-boosted Fuentes, glossed him, shined him, presented him to the world, all in order to protect his own reputation with his online base, a base he is competing over with Nick Fuentes.

00:30:18.000 Now, of course, Tucker has a right to do all of this for the 100th time.

00:30:20.000 He knew what he likes.

00:30:21.000 This is America.

00:30:22.000 But there's no question that Tucker has become the most virulent super spreader of vile ideas in America.

00:30:28.000 And the rest of us who oppose those vile ideas have every right to call him that.

00:30:32.000 There's one other element here that's even darker, if possible.

00:30:35.000 Tucker Carlson preys on the friendship he proclaims with others.

00:30:39.000 And then he knives them directly between the shoulder blades when convenient for him.

00:30:43.000 Tucker Carlson is, in short, a terrible friend.

00:30:45.000 Tucker Carlson was supposedly Charlie Kirk's friend.

00:30:48.000 Charlie believed that Nick Fuentes was vermin.

00:30:50.000 That's a direct quote.

00:30:51.000 He believed that because Nick Fuentes dedicated his life to destroying Charlie Kirk and TPUSA from the inside.

00:30:57.000 In fact, here's Nick Fuentes describing Charlie Kirk the month before Charlie was murdered.

00:31:03.000 Charlie Kirk cannot call himself a Christian anymore.

00:31:06.000 Sorry, you forfeited that.

00:31:08.000 I do not want to hear, and you cannot allow Charlie Kirk to go to one more public event, one more question and answer, one more ask me anything, without being protested, without being shouted down, without being interrogated about this.

00:31:27.000 This guy goes around from campus to campus in the most artificial and phony and fake way.

00:31:36.000 And here is Nick Fuentes describing how he destroyed TPUSA from the inside.

00:31:41.000 Whether he chooses to confront me or not, whether he has dignity and honor or not, it's just a matter of time.

00:31:48.000 My ideas are already there.

00:31:49.000 I've already impregnated your organization.

00:31:53.000 I took Turning Point USA and I fucked it.

00:31:57.000 I took your organization.

00:31:59.000 I took your baby, Turning Point USA, and I fucked it. 1.00

00:32:05.000 And I've been fucking it.

00:32:08.000 And that's why it's filled with groipers. 1.00

00:32:10.000 That's why your whole crew, that's why the people around you, that's why you're chapter presidents, that's why you're attendees, they're all groipers. 1.00

00:32:18.000 And here is Nick Fuentes calling Charlie Kirk unpatriotic and talking about how he's a retarded idiot and saying all firepower should be focused on Charlie Kirk. 0.98

00:32:27.000 I think a lot of people are starting to find out Charlie Kirk is not the patriot that he says he is.

00:32:33.000 And so I look at what happened last night and I think to myself, this is totally a doable operation.

00:32:39.000 You know, Charlie Kirk in the grand scheme of things is just some retarded idiot. 1.00

00:32:43.000 The dog is terrified.

00:32:45.000 I had to go upstairs and reassure him because I'm screaming at my stream, at my screen, calling Charlie Kirk a bitch and everything.

00:32:52.000 The contrast could not be more clear.

00:32:54.000 Charlie Kirk is a totally unexceptional human being.

00:32:58.000 A moral struggle that's happening on the higher dimension, right?

00:33:03.000 Which is Christ versus the devil.

00:33:04.000 Who does Charlie Kirk serve?

00:33:06.000 You know, is he really a Christian?

00:33:08.000 Is he really Christ-like when he supports foreign wars and Israel and all this? 0.79

00:33:13.000 Look at the people he's taking money from.

00:33:15.000 You know, so the guy's a fake Christian. 0.99

00:33:17.000 The guy's not a patriot.

00:33:18.000 He hates our country.

00:33:19.000 He's un-American. 0.94

00:33:21.000 Let's focus all our firepower on Charlie Kirk.

00:33:24.000 Why are we doing this?

00:33:25.000 It's because Charlie Kirk is a fake patriot, a fake Christian, and he hates his people.

00:33:29.000 He's anti-white.

00:33:30.000 This is our angle.

00:33:32.000 Nick Fuentes despised Charlie Kirk.

00:33:34.000 And for good reason, because Charlie Kirk actually opposed Nick's evil program.

00:33:38.000 Here's what Charlie Kirk had to say about Nick Fuentes' agenda.

00:33:42.000 But if you go back to the original founding fathers, they intended this to be a European nation for white men of good stock and character.

00:33:51.000 So can you show me, let me answer the question.

00:33:55.000 Can you show me where in the United States Constitution it says that?

00:33:59.000 It wasn't in the Constitution.

00:34:00.000 It wasn't in the Constitution because they didn't believe it.

00:34:05.000 What does the phrase e pluribus unum mean?

00:34:08.000 What does the phrase e pluribus unum mean?

00:34:10.000 Why is that relevant?

00:34:11.000 Because it was on every founding document and presidential seal from our founding documents, which means out of many countries.

00:34:20.000 And your ideology is not conservative.

00:34:23.000 It is right-wing, identitarian.

00:34:25.000 It has no place in the conservative movement, my friend.

00:34:28.000 Get out of the trolls, and I don't platform, and I don't discuss people, or I don't debate with people that are not good faith actors.

00:34:43.000 And they can keep on yelling at how successful we are in our big events and well over a thousand employees, but a lot of jealousy out there.

00:34:59.000 We build.

00:35:00.000 They complain.

00:35:01.000 We succeed.

00:35:02.000 We win.

00:35:03.000 They blame the Jews.

00:35:05.000 After Charlie's death, TPUSA made Tucker Carlson one of its chief faces.

00:35:09.000 Tucker, of course, spoke at Charlie's memorial, where he implied that humus eating nefarious Jews killed Charlie, with no mention of the ideology of the actual alleged murderer, who was, of course, a trans activist gay furry.

00:35:20.000 Tucker Carlson, in fact, has spent more time talking about Jews in Israel since Charlie's death than about the trans FIFA ideology that motivated Charlie Kirk's killer.

00:35:28.000 By a long shot, it's not close, which is not a surprise since he seems to spend very little time these days attacking anyone on the left.

00:35:35.000 Well, now, Tucker Carlson has seen fit to launder Nick Fuentes, the person who hated Charlie most and who wished him destruction.

00:35:42.000 That's not an act of friendship.

00:35:43.000 It's an act of sick evil.

00:35:45.000 And then, of course, there's Tucker Carlson's relationship with the vice president.

00:35:48.000 Certainly, Vice President Vance has been quite generous with Tucker Carlson.

00:35:51.000 That loyalty was not reciprocated last week, to say the least.

00:35:54.000 Here, for example, is what Nick Fuentes has said about J.D. Vance's wife, Usha.

00:36:00.000 Andrew Tate and Bronze Age Perford and all these people, for years, all they talk about is going to the gym, being a vitalist, fighting the Matrix, India smells bad, all this kind of shit.

00:36:12.000 And now they're all in favor of a fat race mixer who's married to a Jeet who named his son Vivek, who was mentored by a Jewish neocon and a gay fed, Peter Thiel. 0.85

00:36:26.000 This guy has a non-white wife and a kid named Vivek.

00:36:31.000 This guy is going to be a defender of white identity?

00:36:35.000 I don't think so.

00:36:36.000 This guy's going to defend American identity.

00:36:40.000 You slammed JD Vance for having an Indian wife. 1.00

00:36:42.000 Yet, Trust's wife is an immigrant who was working here legally for a time.

00:36:44.000 His son is half foreign, bilingual, and holds your citizenship.

00:36:46.000 You're either a hypocrite or just retarded. 1.00

00:36:46.000 Yet you give him the pass. 1.00

00:36:48.000 She's white.

00:36:50.000 She's white.

00:36:54.000 If we had millions of Slovenian supermodels immigrating to America, I don't think we'd have a big problem with it. 0.78

00:37:03.000 Tucker Carlson had on Nick Fuentes and did not ask him a single question about any of this.

00:37:08.000 He just brought him on to launder his ugly ideas and make him more popular.

00:37:12.000 That doesn't seem quite like the act of a friend.

00:37:15.000 Which, finally, brings us to the Heritage Foundation.

00:37:18.000 Now, I have a long and admiring relationship with the Heritage Foundation.

00:37:21.000 One of the very first outlets to pick up my syndicated column when I was 17 years old, 24 years ago, was townhall.com, then a property of the Heritage Foundation.

00:37:29.000 I know most of the leadership very well, and I have for decades.

00:37:32.000 I know Kevin Roberts, and I like him, and I'm grateful for his contributions to the conservative movement.

00:37:36.000 If you're a regular watcher of this show, you can check the interview I did with Kevin on the release of his book just last December, which is why what Kevin Roberts did last week is tragic and awful.

00:37:46.000 He put out a statement that Heritage Foundation didn't just stand by Tucker Carlson.

00:37:50.000 Kevin instead said openly and repeatedly that Tucker Carlson can do nothing ever that will sever his relationship with the conservative movement.

00:37:59.000 He said that after and in defense of Tucker's glossing of Hitler defender Nick Fuentes.

00:38:05.000 And he added that only members of the globalist class, direct quote, a venomous coalition, direct quote, subject to the dictates of someone else's agenda, direct quote, oppose Heritage's ongoing relationship with Tucker Carlson, which means that according to Kevin Roberts, apparently, anyone opposing the ongoing mainstreaming of Tucker Carlson is acting on behalf of a foreign power.

00:38:26.000 Kevin's statement is a betrayal of the Heritage Foundation's history and principles, which is presumably why both Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes loved it.

00:38:35.000 And that's a tragedy because America needs a robust conservative organization based on principle and ideas, not personal loyalty to bad actors like Tucker Carlson.

00:38:45.000 We need strong leaders in the conservative movement willing to speak out against the moral rot that threatens our future.

00:38:51.000 I hope Kevin Roberts and Heritage show us that they can still be those leaders.

00:38:56.000 But if not, we'll have to look elsewhere.

00:38:59.000 So, why is all of this happening?

00:39:01.000 Because, like the Democratic Party, the Republican Party is being eaten by its radicals.

00:39:06.000 Many in the political class are too cowardly to stand up.

00:39:08.000 Apparently, they're willing to play footsie with Groipers and hug Tucker Carlson out of fear of somehow losing support.

00:39:14.000 They've been bamboozled by the lies of the X algorithm and the TikTok metrics.

00:39:18.000 The left followed its radicals to electoral hell.

00:39:21.000 Apparently, many on the right wish to do the same.

00:39:24.000 Forget the morality then for just a moment.

00:39:26.000 Let's be pragmatic.

00:39:27.000 Here is the thing.

00:39:28.000 Americans hate Nick Fuentes' philosophy.

00:39:31.000 They think it's trash.

00:39:33.000 Republicans by the polling think it's trash.

00:39:35.000 Independents think it's trash. 0.98

00:39:37.000 Democrats think it's trash.

00:39:39.000 And here's the other thing.

00:39:40.000 Americans hate Tucker Carlson's laundered anti-Americanism.

00:39:44.000 Republicans think it's trash.

00:39:46.000 Independents think it's trash. 0.98

00:39:47.000 Democrats think it's trash.

00:39:48.000 Americans are not pro-segregation, pro-rape, anti-woman, pro-child marriage, anti-black, anti-Jew, anti-Indian, anti-Latino, anti-Constitution, pro-Hitler nutjobs like Nick Fuentes.

00:40:00.000 And Americans are not pro-Putin, pro-Iran, pro-China, pro-Venezuela, pro-Hamas, pro-Fuentes, pro-Tate idiots like Tucker Carlson.

00:40:09.000 They hate this vile garbage.

00:40:11.000 If Republicans decide to cower before the likes of neo-Nazis and their propagandizers, they deserve to lose.

00:40:17.000 And they will lose.

00:40:19.000 Neo-Nazis and their propagandizers are not Republicans.

00:40:21.000 They are not America first.

00:40:22.000 They are not MAGA.

00:40:23.000 They sure as hell aren't conservative.

00:40:26.000 These people aren't to my right.

00:40:27.000 They are not attached in any way to the fundamental principles of conservatism.

00:40:32.000 And these people have already declared themselves to be my enemies.

00:40:35.000 I'd be a fool not to take them seriously.

00:40:38.000 If they get their way, they will hollow out the Republican Party, lead it to electoral catastrophe, and empty it and the country of any semblance of decency in the process.

00:40:46.000 My answer is no.

00:40:49.000 No to the Groipers. 1.00

00:40:50.000 No to their publicists like Tucker Carlson.

00:40:53.000 No to those who champion them.

00:40:55.000 No to demoralization.

00:40:57.000 No to bigotry and anti-meritocratic horseshit.

00:41:00.000 No to anti-Americanism.

00:41:02.000 No.

00:41:03.000 This is our country.

00:41:05.000 This is our party.

00:41:07.000 And this is our conservative movement.

00:41:09.000 And I will not stand by while it is handed over to those who betray the most fundamental principles I have spent my entire life defending and advocating.

00:41:18.000 That is a path to defeat and a path to moral oblivion.

00:41:22.000 I reject it because if we lose the right, we will lose to the left.

00:41:26.000 And either way, we'll lose the country.

00:41:28.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

The Ben Shapiro Show - November 03, 2025

Tucker Carlson Sabotages America

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