The Ben Shapiro Show - October 15, 2026


What's Actually Happening Between America and Ukraine

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00:00:00.000 Big news of the day before every midterm election, the president will try to bring down the price of oil.
00:00:04.000 This is nothing new.
00:00:05.000 Remember that Joe Biden back in 2022 reversed himself with the Saudis.
00:00:08.000 He was yelling at the Saudis about Jamal Khashoggi, and then he ended up begging the Saudis to reduce oil prices.
00:00:13.000 They didn't do it.
00:00:14.000 Remember, he emptied the strategic petroleum reserves to try to limit economic fallout for the midterm elections.
00:00:20.000 Well, now President Trump is doing the same thing, but he's really focusing in on Ukraine.
00:00:25.000 So all of this is rooted in the fact that the oil prices have spiked and that is bleeding over into broader inflation, according to the Wall Street Journal.
00:00:32.000 Consumer prices were up 3.7% in September from a year earlier.
00:00:36.000 That is hotter than August's gain of 3.4%.
00:00:39.000 And it was above the 3.6% increase expected by economists surveyed by the Wall Street Journal.
00:00:44.000 Prices excluding food and energy rose 2.6%.
00:00:49.000 Core prices rose by 0.3%.
00:00:51.000 So again, prices are rising.
00:00:53.000 So the president is using apparently a variety of measures to try to crack down on diesel prices in particular.
00:01:01.000 Reuters says that the Trump administration is now considering easing sanctions on so-called shadow fleet vessels.
00:01:06.000 That have transported oil and petroleum products from countries like Russia, Iran, and Venezuela in an effort to reduce record high global freight rates.
00:01:15.000 Meanwhile, there's news that the United States is threatening Ukraine over and over and over again to withhold intelligence or even shut down Starlink to get them to stop hitting oil refineries in Russia.
00:01:26.000 According to CBS News, the U.S. may have intentionally withheld early warnings this week of Russian strikes on Ukraine.
00:01:32.000 President Vladimir Zelensky said that Ukraine received no advance warning from our partners when Russia launched a ballistic missile barrage at Kyiv and other locations early on Tuesday.
00:01:41.000 American officials said this happened because of bad weather.
00:01:43.000 Ukrainian officials said they didn't believe the excuse and believed that the systems were being played around with.
00:01:48.000 According to the Washington Post, the U.S. had threatened to withhold intelligence from Ukraine on Monday, saying that if the Ukrainians hit Russian energy sites, the U.S. would immediately halt all intelligence sharing.
00:02:03.000 Again, it's anonymous sourcing, so we'll see if it's true or not.
00:02:05.000 The person said the warnings were so widespread, anyone with the Ukrainian sending last name got a call.
00:02:10.000 And Zelensky confirmed Ukrainian military officials had received such warnings.
00:02:14.000 Ukraine also said.
00:02:15.000 That Starlink was being hampered.
00:02:19.000 Ukraine's 7th Corps of the Air Assault Forces on Wednesday, according to the Wall Street Journal, said it had begun experiencing connectivity issues with Starshield and had to cancel submissions because of unreliable connectivity.
00:02:30.000 So that complicated Ukrainian logistics.
00:02:32.000 It also made it difficult to actually activate the air defense systems over Kyiv.
00:02:38.000 And so you started to see again, Russia has not stopped firing for one single second here.
00:02:42.000 Here's video from yesterday of a Russian attack drone hitting a supermarket in Odessa.
00:02:49.000 And says the supermarket, five people injured in this.
00:02:51.000 I mean, just totally destroyed.
00:02:54.000 The supermarket just gets totally blown away.
00:02:58.000 Now, back in March of 2025, Elon Musk had said that he would never allow the Starlink terminals to be turned off in Ukraine.
00:03:06.000 He said, No matter how much I disagree with Ukraine policy, Starlink will never turn off its terminals.
00:03:11.000 We would never do such a thing or use it as a bargaining chip.
00:03:14.000 Well, now Elon is saying that Starshield systems are owned and controlled by the United States government.
00:03:18.000 He said, Any limits on speed or usage are decided by the U.S. military and ultimately the president.
00:03:22.000 Of the United States.
00:03:24.000 The Ukrainian Minister of Defense, Mikhailo Fedorov, says Starlink is now being restored. 0.52
00:03:30.000 But it appears, again, that the United States is putting heavy, heavy, heavy pressure on the Ukrainians not to strike Russian oil resources, oil refineries, and such.
00:03:40.000 This prompted Vladimir Zelensky to go on Piers Morgan's show, he was in London, and talk about President Trump in some pretty colorful ways.
00:03:48.000 It's a pity that we are losing, we are losing strong partners.
00:03:55.000 So, this is my opinion.
00:03:57.000 You think you're losing America?
00:03:59.000 Yeah, but not because of us.
00:04:03.000 We can't be weak, otherwise, we can't survive.
00:04:06.000 Otherwise, we will just.
00:04:08.000 We are not selling our country.
00:04:10.000 Look, guys, it's not about business for us, it's just our life, and this is our country, it's our body, so our home, our children, and this is very important for us.
00:04:22.000 That's why it's painful when President Trump chooses one side, not our side, but we are okay that he's in the middle, but.
00:04:32.000 If you're in the middle, you have to stay in the middle, not on the wrong side.
00:04:36.000 I think his advisors are wrong.
00:04:38.000 I don't know who is pushing him not to the right side.
00:04:42.000 This is not the right side of history.
00:04:46.000 Okay, so first of all, we should just point out that if the tactic is to get the Ukrainians to stop attacking the Russians so that the oil prices will drop, that is likely to not be successful. 0.57
00:04:55.000 Okay, less than 3 to 5% of Americans use diesel every week, right?
00:05:00.000 The idea is to bring diesel prices down.
00:05:01.000 Very few Americans use diesel every week.
00:05:03.000 Now, there are some spillover effects at the margins because of diesel prices.
00:05:07.000 But when you fill up your car at the gas station, you're not typically taking your Honda and putting some diesel in it.
00:05:13.000 The United States overall generally produces enough diesel to fulfill our domestic needs.
00:05:18.000 Also, even if you free up Russian diesel, everybody sort of knows that the clamp is going to go back on after the election.
00:05:24.000 And so a lot of places aren't going to be taking the Russian diesel.
00:05:27.000 Now, presumably, President Trump is doing this because the reason oil and gas have been spiking is because of Iran, not really because of Russia, Ukraine. 0.53
00:05:34.000 And Iran continues to jack up the prices by mobilizing the Houthis to attack Saudi targets, which they've been doing pretty successfully.
00:05:42.000 The problem is, again, this tactic has some long term effects. 0.83
00:05:46.000 Russia, Iran, China, they work together.
00:05:49.000 They work together.
00:05:50.000 If you are paying Putin, that money is going toward Iran.
00:05:54.000 It is going toward Ukraine.
00:05:55.000 It is going toward a bunch of places that we are going to have to fight. 0.74
00:05:58.000 We are now doing the meme, my tax dollars, and also somehow my tax dollars.
00:06:03.000 This is ineffective.
00:06:06.000 The reality is that the same Russia that we are now offering money is offering targeting info on pipelines to the Iranians. 0.60
00:06:12.000 The Iranians are shipping their drones to Moscow.
00:06:14.000 The Chinese are funding and supplying both.
00:06:17.000 So again, I wish oil and diesel prices were lower too. 0.52
00:06:20.000 This is not going to do it.
00:06:21.000 What you ought to do to lower oil and gas prices, pump and drill, as the president has very successfully done, and we ought to focus in the mid term on defeating our geopolitical enemies and freeing up global choke points.
00:06:33.000 We want oil to be permanently cheap, not intermittently cheap, not when our enemies decide to choke it off, just permanently cheaper. 0.61
00:06:39.000 Work with our allies to crumble the Iranian regime from within, strangle them, safeguard our allies from pipeline attacks, generate new alliances in the Middle East, and allow them to defend themselves, and the oil prices will drop. 0.80
00:06:51.000 That is the mid and long term solution, which is, again, why I've been arguing since April that the president should not have done an MOU with Iran and instead accelerated action against Iran instead of waiting it out. 0.94
00:07:02.000 Heighten the pain against the Iranian regime. 0.79
00:07:04.000 Don't let it sort of wait out.
00:07:06.000 And as for the weird attempt to woo Russia, again, let's be very clear here Russia is not our friend.
00:07:10.000 We should not be neutral between Russia and Ukraine.
00:07:12.000 Russia is a geopolitical enemy of the United States.
00:07:14.000 It has been for literally over a century at this point. 0.82
00:07:19.000 For people who keep lying and saying that Russia is our ally, that they're a Christian country, just. 0.88
00:07:25.000 Pushing Christianity. 0.83
00:07:26.000 The truth is that by the statistics, Russia is now more Islamist than Christian. 0.73
00:07:31.000 The church rating among Russians who self identify as Orthodox is somewhere between 6 and 14%.
00:07:36.000 If you look at the total population of Russia, it's like 2 to 8%.
00:07:41.000 Meanwhile, 14 to 20% of the population is Islamic. 1.00
00:07:47.000 And they're reproducing faster than the Russian national average, which is extraordinarily, extraordinarily low. 1.00
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00:08:51.000 Joining me on the line is JP Lindsley.
00:08:53.000 He's the editor of Under Fire News in the UK right now, but he spent most of the last four years in Ukraine.
00:08:57.000 JP, thanks so much for taking the time.
00:08:58.000 Really appreciate it.
00:09:00.000 Yeah, Ben, great to speak to you, especially during what seems to be a very dark time.
00:09:04.000 And, you know, I think from here on the outside, you know, I talk with people in Kyiv every single day, and it's more.
00:09:11.000 I mean, I know you were in Kyiv as well.
00:09:13.000 It's worse than anyone can imagine.
00:09:15.000 And the attacks are happening now every few hours, not only at nighttime, but also throughout the day.
00:09:21.000 And the scariest thing is that the air defense is very weak right now.
00:09:26.000 And so people are, you know, I would say the spirit is still strong.
00:09:30.000 People are not giving up.
00:09:32.000 But the sad thing is that we have had, I want everyone to remember if you go back and look at the headlines, In the first half of 2026, so many people in the West were saying, Ukraine is winning.
00:09:43.000 Ukraine is winning.
00:09:44.000 Really, just Google it.
00:09:45.000 You'll see that. 1.00
00:09:46.000 And, you know, because it was true. 0.89
00:09:48.000 And at the front line, thanks to Ukraine's drone innovations, and then very importantly, in the Russian rear, you know, deep in the Russian Federation, Ukrainians were picking apart the oil refineries that fuel the Russian war machine. 0.78
00:10:03.000 And so everyone was getting complacent in the West. 0.73
00:10:06.000 And now what changed? 0.97
00:10:08.000 And this is where, in what we call total warfare, where the Russians really excel. 0.93
00:10:13.000 They excel at cognitive warfare. 0.96
00:10:15.000 And Russia was in a very bad spot for the first half of this year. 0.73
00:10:18.000 But now something has changed.
00:10:19.000 And that's really two things.
00:10:21.000 One, they concentrated their resources on attacking Kyiv because they don't have enough resources to destroy all of Ukraine, but they can concentrate on Kyiv and they can generate headlines and they can make the West afraid.
00:10:33.000 That was the first step.
00:10:34.000 And that began a couple months ago.
00:10:35.000 And secondly, they went to President Trump and they got President Trump to put pressure on Ukrainians.
00:10:42.000 To try to get Ukrainians to stop hitting Russian oil.
00:10:45.000 And I want to share with you, because I think that mystifies me about President Trump's actions in the past week.
00:10:51.000 In August of 2025, on Truth Social, President Trump posted these words.
00:10:57.000 He said, It is very hard, if not impossible, to win a war without attacking an invader's country.
00:11:03.000 Crooked and grossly incompetent Joe Biden would not let Ukraine fight back, only defend.
00:11:10.000 And I wish that someone in the White House press corps Would ask Trump to compare his actions now with what's happening today.
00:11:17.000 Because the only way, the reason why Ukraine was succeeding is because they had finally developed a homegrown capacity to attack Russian oil infrastructure. 0.56
00:11:27.000 And that's what was crippling Russia.
00:11:29.000 And now that ability is what Trump is trying to take away from Ukrainians.
00:11:34.000 And if something doesn't change on this, I mean, Zelensky said today here, he was in London yesterday, he said that Ukraine is going to restart its attacks on Russian oil.
00:11:43.000 But if something doesn't change, I think we're going to see almost the destruction of Kyiv in the next weeks and months. 0.63
00:11:52.000 And what I would say to people is that is Russian warfare. 0.88
00:12:02.000 Eve might be destroyed, but Ukraine is the largest after being there for four years. 0.68
00:12:06.000 They'll continue to fight, but we're facing an absolutely horrible situation. 0.99
00:12:11.000 And people are feeling that the United States of America is now full.
00:12:19.000 So, JP, when you look at the situation from a sort of American or outsider perspective, the easy thing to do is say this thing is going to last forever.
00:12:27.000 It's having an impact on our oil prices, on our gas prices, on our diesel prices.
00:12:30.000 This is something that the president has been focused very much on, obviously, in the lead up to the midterms.
00:12:35.000 The truth is that it has had an impact on our diesel and our oil, but only in a very indirect and marginal way.
00:12:40.000 The truth is what's going on in the Middle East with the attacks on Saudi pipelines by the Houthis, the attacks in the Straits of Hormuz, that's having more of an impact on oil and gas prices than what's going on between Russia and Ukraine.
00:12:50.000 With that said, if the American public are saying, listen, what does an end here look like?
00:12:54.000 What would a successful end of this war look like for Ukraine?
00:12:57.000 How do they see You know, let's blue sky this thing.
00:13:01.000 What does victory look like for Ukraine in a realistic way?
00:13:04.000 What would you say to that?
00:13:08.000 Well, you know, I mean, I've been since I left Ukraine temporarily in May, I've been traveling around Europe, and everyone with whom I meet wants a 30 second answer to this question.
00:13:17.000 And they all ask me the same question What does victory look like?
00:13:20.000 And what my time in Ukraine taught me is that victory is about opening up possibilities. 0.79
00:13:25.000 So, you know, in 2022, in February 2022, when Russia launched the full scale invasion, Victory meant just trying to kind of stay alive to keep the Russians out of key. 0.74
00:13:34.000 It meant people making Molotov cocktails to keep the Russians from coming down their street. 0.89
00:13:39.000 And now look at how far we've advanced. 0.98
00:13:40.000 Ukrainians have retaken territory. 0.67
00:13:42.000 Ukrainian drone and AI technology and anti drone tech and electronic warfare is now helping America.
00:13:49.000 And so victory now is a new type of possibility than what we imagined before.
00:13:53.000 And so I think, you know, we let the media, people who are unschooled in warfare, kind of set the terms of how we talk about this.
00:14:00.000 And that's why we have a hard time talking about victory.
00:14:03.000 But if you look at, you know, When, according to the media, Ukraine is either at a stalemate or it's an escalation.
00:14:10.000 And this is an unhelpful way to talk about it.
00:14:12.000 Every time Ukraine is starting to get the advantage, to get momentum, so for example, to take half of Russia's oil refining capacity, it's called an escalation.
00:14:22.000 Ooh, scary.
00:14:23.000 Don't do that.
00:14:24.000 So what do we do?
00:14:25.000 We go back to a stalemate?
00:14:26.000 And so our language doesn't make sense.
00:14:28.000 And we're always going to be stuck in this.
00:14:30.000 The only way one side can win is with an escalation of some sort. 0.67
00:14:34.000 And right now, the Russians are very good with their cognitive escalation. 0.67
00:14:37.000 The Russians have been so severely weakened. 0.78
00:14:40.000 And so all they had to do, they said, we need to change the headlines.
00:14:44.000 We need to change the narrative away from Ukraine as winning.
00:14:46.000 And they successfully have done that really throughout the summer and now.
00:14:51.000 And so I think, firstly, I'd say, you know, everything I know about Ukrainians, they're not going to surrender, even to the death, as we see.
00:14:59.000 And so it's a question for the world.
00:15:00.000 I think the world kind of misses that point.
00:15:02.000 I think a lot of people who talk about freedom in America and Europe don't really know what that is.
00:15:08.000 And they're not really sure if they would actually die for it.
00:15:10.000 They think it's Crazy that people stay in Kyiv, for example.
00:15:14.000 And so they really don't understand this.
00:15:16.000 And that's, I mean, I think a huge problem is that people close to Trump, except for Laura Loomer, perhaps, have not spent time in Ukraine.
00:15:24.000 I mean, it doesn't count to go there for a couple of hours.
00:15:27.000 Like, you know, you actually know the people.
00:15:30.000 And Ben, I remember I was in Kyiv, I was in Lviv when the Russian full scale invasion started.
00:15:37.000 And the American intelligence was right that Russia was going to invade. 0.63
00:15:41.000 But no one talks about the catastrophic failure.
00:15:44.000 Of American intel in February of 2022.
00:15:47.000 American intel and European intel all thought that Ukraine would surrender because they knew nothing about Ukraine, because CIA agents didn't leave Kyiv, because they didn't talk to people.
00:15:57.000 But I had been reporting in the country and I knew that they were not going to surrender.
00:16:01.000 And that's a real factor.
00:16:02.000 That's why we're still here today talking about this.
00:16:05.000 And so this is Trump.
00:16:07.000 I think President Trump is unaware of that aspect.
00:16:10.000 He only sees the politicians and the elites, which is ironic because that's not really what he claims to be about.
00:16:15.000 And so if people can understand Ukrainians will not surrender, I think that can change the picture.
00:16:21.000 And then we see that, again, let's not forget the first half of this year, Ukrainians had Russia in a very bad spot, and Russia had to find a way out of it.
00:16:31.000 And, you know, as I talk to experts, some people disagree, but most people say, you know, if Ukraine cannot hit Russian oil infrastructure, then there's no way out of this. 0.58
00:16:40.000 It's going to continue, and the nation in Kyiv will get destroyed, and then some other city and some other.
00:16:45.000 And we'll be talking about this in five or 10 years.
00:16:48.000 And so the question is go back to that Trump tweet for 2025.
00:16:55.000 And JP, what is the actual situation?
00:16:57.000 We've heard conflicting reports about the availability of Starlink.
00:17:00.000 First, there was a report that Starlink had essentially been cut off for military purposes.
00:17:04.000 Then there was a report that that was not true.
00:17:06.000 The administration kind of quasi denied it.
00:17:07.000 What have you been hearing from your sources on the ground about what happened with Starlink?
00:17:11.000 And has the United States actually shut down its intelligence sharing or the capacity of the Ukrainians to use Starlink at this point?
00:17:21.000 Well, personally, regarding Starlink, it does seem that Starlink was limited in a way with the intention. to prevent Ukrainians from hitting Russian oil.
00:17:30.000 So Ukrainians are now, they've been able to develop homegrown drones and even missiles now that can go deep into the Russian Federation. 0.61
00:17:38.000 And they relied on Starlink.
00:17:39.000 Now, remember, Elon Musk has been helping Ukraine because he turned off Starlink in Russia.
00:17:44.000 And that made a huge difference.
00:17:45.000 That was part of why Ukraine was winning earlier this year. 0.56
00:17:49.000 But this week, Starlink was limited to prevent Ukrainians offensively, or the intention was from hitting Russian oil.
00:17:58.000 But there was an unintended consequence.
00:18:00.000 And so we don't know if it was intended.
00:18:02.000 Probably it was unintended.
00:18:04.000 The past days, when the Russians are sending drones and missiles every hour almost to Kyiv, the Ukrainian drone interceptors could not meet the Russians.
00:18:15.000 They couldn't take off or they couldn't go on course because they also had no access to Starlink.
00:18:20.000 And so someone didn't think it through or they did it intentionally.
00:18:23.000 We don't know.
00:18:24.000 But the effect of this was to make Kyiv the most vulnerable it has ever been, you could say, at least since 2023.
00:18:31.000 So, we're not quite sure about that, but the intention was so that Ukrainians cannot hit Russian oil.
00:18:36.000 And again, I believe in the innovation in Ukraine, so I'm sure they're finding a way around it.
00:18:41.000 On the intelligence question, there's been some excuses.
00:18:45.000 It was the weather, it was cloud cover.
00:18:48.000 We don't know.
00:18:50.000 There's no straight answer on it on any side.
00:18:54.000 But we do know from talking to people in Kyiv that for the first time on a regular basis, missiles are coming before the air raid alarm sounds.
00:19:03.000 That used to be very rare.
00:19:05.000 So, something has changed.
00:19:07.000 Something is off.
00:19:07.000 And Kyiv is, I mean, you saw Kyiv yourself.
00:19:11.000 It was still a lovely city.
00:19:12.000 Life is carrying on.
00:19:14.000 Kyiv is being destroyed.
00:19:16.000 The left bank and the right bank are partly cut off because the Britons are being hit. 0.97
00:19:21.000 The Russians are, and we're going to see this. 0.99
00:19:23.000 It's going to unfold before our eyes. 0.99
00:19:25.000 The Kyiv is on the verge of destruction, and it's a sitting duck right now.
00:19:31.000 Well, that's JP Lindsley, editor of Underfire News.
00:19:33.000 JP, really appreciate the time and the insight.
00:19:37.000 Thank you, Ben.
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