The Ben Shapiro Show - When Politics Becomes Religion | Ep. 379

00:00:00.000 Democrats decide it's very important to attack a federal judge candidate on her religion.

00:00:06.000 Hillary Clinton decides that it's very important to attack Bernie Sanders. 0.99

00:00:08.000 And Donald Trump decides it's very important to attack the Republican Party.

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00:02:10.000 Okay, so...

00:02:11.000 There is a lot to talk about with regard to President Trump and his move to the left on Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, basically saying that he now wants the DREAM Act, the same DREAM Act that he ripped Jeb Bush up and down for.

00:02:22.000 We'll also talk about Trump going Democrat on the debt ceiling, what that means, why that's important.

00:02:26.000 A lot of people today sort of brushing off the debt ceiling discussion.

00:02:28.000 Well, we always raise the debt ceiling.

00:02:30.000 What's the big deal?

00:02:31.000 Well, raising the debt ceiling, you should at least get one of two things.

00:02:34.000 If you're the governing party, you should at least get one of two things out of the debt ceiling.

00:02:37.000 One, some sort of systemic change to spending that would actually make sure that you're not taking out as much debt in the future.

00:02:44.000 You get some spending cuts in exchange for increasing the debt ceiling or extending the debt ceiling.

00:02:49.000 Or two, you blow off the debt ceiling entirely for like another 18 months so you don't have to do this for every three months from now until the end of time so the Democrats can hold up the debt ceiling so that they can spend more money.

00:02:59.000 Right?

00:02:59.000 You want to get one of those two things.

00:03:00.000 Trump got neither of those two things.

00:03:02.000 It's a bad deal and it also puts a lot of pressure on Republicans because he also pushed forward a continuing resolution, a budget resolution, that only goes through December.

00:03:10.000 So now, Republicans are basically stacked up.

00:03:12.000 By December, they now have to pass

00:03:15.000 If they want to do Obamacare repeal, they have to do it, like, basically in the next three weeks.

00:03:18.000 If they want to do tax reform, they have to do it before December.

00:03:21.000 And they have to do it with that deadline looming in December.

00:03:24.000 Because, remember, right now Republicans only have 52 votes in the Senate.

00:03:27.000 That means that if they want to pass anything with 51 votes through reconciliation, then reconciliation rules require any bill you pass has to be revenue neutral.

00:03:36.000 Well, how do you gauge whether a bill is revenue neutral?

00:03:38.000 The way that you gauge whether a bill is revenue neutral is based on the baseline budgeting.

00:03:41.000 It's based on the budget.

00:03:43.000 So that means that they have to have a budget in place.

00:03:45.000 So that means Democrats can hold up anything in December by saying, we're not going to pass any sort of budget.

00:03:49.000 We're going to sit off on the sidelines and not pass any part of your new budget.

00:03:53.000 And therefore, you can't even get a reconciliation ruling on some of these tax reform bills that the Senate wants to take up.

00:03:58.000 It's really a problem.

00:04:00.000 Basically, Trump gave them a lot of leverage come December.

00:04:02.000 We'll talk about all that.

00:04:03.000 But first,

00:04:04.000 I want to get to an issue that has been very undercovered.

00:04:07.000 Right now what we're watching in the United States, and it's very disturbing, is a loss of religion across the board in the United States.

00:04:13.000 There's a poll that came out this week about evangelical Christians showing that a huge number of evangelical Christians were now uncertain on basic protocol principles, basic doctrinal principles, like, is promiscuity bad?

00:04:25.000 I mean, these things are pretty clear in the Bible.

00:04:27.000 You may not actually fulfill the mandate, right?

00:04:29.000 You may sin.

00:04:30.000 We all sin.

00:04:31.000 We get that.

00:04:32.000 There are certain things that, in Christian doctrine, are pretty well clear.

00:04:36.000 Again, it doesn't mean that you uphold them personally or that you don't sin, but there are certain things that are pretty clear in Christian doctrine.

00:04:43.000 Evangelical Christians, those numbers are sliding among Evangelical Christians, among people who actually believe in the doctrine.

00:04:48.000 There's a poll out this week showing that we've now reached an all-time high in the United States of people who describe themselves as non-believers, people who feel that they are not religious.

00:04:55.000 And this is something that's cheered and pushed by the secular left.

00:04:58.000 And it's not just cheered and pushed by the secular left.

00:05:00.000 There's an all-out assault that's happening from the Democratic left on people of religious faith.

00:05:05.000 Because the idea on a lot of the left is that religion leads to these hard and fast rules.

00:05:11.000 And these hard and fast rules are bad rules, right?

00:05:13.000 They're ancient, and they're bad, and they're bigoted, and they're backwards. 0.99

00:05:16.000 If we just got rid of all of those rules, then life would be so much better.

00:05:20.000 Right?

00:05:20.000 Just get rid of religion.

00:05:21.000 Force people to bring their religion up to snuff. 1.00

00:05:24.000 If they're going to believe in religion, let them be spiritual, not religious.

00:05:28.000 They can believe in some higher power, sure, as long as it doesn't actually impact what they do in the here and now.

00:05:33.000 And we're going to browbeat anyone who actually believes this stuff.

00:05:36.000 If you actually believe religious principle, if you actually believe religious doctrine, we're going to beat you up for it.

00:05:41.000 So the best case in point that I've seen in recent history is what happened in the Senate Judiciary Committee.

00:05:47.000 This would be now a couple of days ago.

00:05:49.000 So there is a judge whose name is Amy Barrett.

00:05:55.000 She's actually a professor at Notre Dame Law, and she's being appointed to the appeals court, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, or she's being considered for that, and Dianne Feinstein, the senator from California, decided to go after her.

00:06:06.000 Why?

00:06:06.000 Because this law professor is a Catholic, and she wrote a piece years ago in which she suggested that if you're a Catholic, and you have to sit in on a death penalty case, then you should probably excuse yourself.

00:06:16.000 You should recuse yourself, because as a religious person, you have a duty not to actually vote in favor of the death penalty, so the best thing you can do is recuse yourself.

00:06:25.000 Now, note, there's a difference between recusing yourself and voting against the death penalty in a particular case.

00:06:30.000 Recusing yourself means you don't get a vote.

00:06:31.000 That's the purpose of recusal. 1.00

00:06:33.000 But the way that Dianne Feinstein and the Democrats played this was, well, she's saying that your religion should infuse your rulings.

00:06:40.000 She's saying your religion should impact your rulings.

00:06:43.000 That if your ruling is going to go against what you believe religiously, that she's saying that your religion should take precedence.

00:06:49.000 That's not what she's saying at all.

00:06:51.000 That's not what she's saying at all.

00:06:52.000 But Feinstein basically goes after her and she says, listen, if you're a religious Catholic, you shouldn't be on the court.

00:06:57.000 You shouldn't have a place in public life.

00:06:58.000 Here's Dianne Feinstein from California.

00:07:00.000 When you read your speeches,

00:07:04.000 The conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you.

00:07:13.000 And that's of concern when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for for years in this country.

00:07:25.000 Okay, so what they're really questioning her about is this 1998 paper that she wrote as a law student, along with John Garvey, who's now president of the Catholic University of America.

00:07:33.000 This is according to The Atlantic.

00:07:35.000 In the paper, the two authors explore whether a Catholic judge should recuse herself from death penalty cases if she would be unable to impartially uphold the law because of her religious convictions.

00:07:43.000 The Pope and the American bishops have recently offered clear and forceful denunciations of the punishment, they said, and many Catholics feel morally obligated to uphold the teachings of the Church.

00:07:51.000 In certain limited circumstances, they argue, federal judges should step back from involvement in cases that might raise conflicts of interest.

00:07:58.000 They didn't argue that judges should step back from morally complicated cases all or even most of the time.

00:08:04.000 According to Garvey, he said, But again, notice,

00:08:14.000 Basically Feinstein is saying you shouldn't be a judge because if you're a judge then that means that you're going to use your religious doctrine in order to target people.

00:08:22.000 But that's exactly what the paper is not saying.

00:08:24.000 The paper is saying precisely the reverse.

00:08:25.000 The paper is saying if I have to rule alongside my religious doctrine and it would impact how I rule alongside the law then I'm going to recuse myself.

00:08:33.000 But the idea here is that if you're Catholic you can't be trusted. 1.00

00:08:36.000 You're one of those shifty papists. 1.00

00:08:37.000 One of those shifty evil papists. 1.00

00:08:40.000 And it wasn't just Feinstein. 0.57

00:08:42.000 Okay, it was also Dick Durbin, the senator from Illinois.

00:08:44.000 By the way, Chicago, I believe, is the most Catholic city in the United States.

00:08:47.000 Durbin is amazing he can get away with this, but this demonstrates the level of secularism that is now inherent in our public discourse.

00:08:53.000 Here's Durbin going after her on the same grounds.

00:08:55.000 It is relevant in that you have many times spoken out as a professor and as a lawyer about the

00:09:05.000 Is that correct?

00:09:19.000 Okay, so the idea here is that she's a bad person, she's Catholic, can't be trusted. 1.00

00:09:24.000 And this is what the left, hard left, truly believes about religion, moving into the mainstream left.

00:09:28.000 Remember, Hillary Clinton said in the last election cycle that people who are religious, who believe certain things about same-sex marriage, for example, they have to update their religion to take account of the times.

00:09:38.000 That is not her decision to make.

00:09:40.000 That is not her decision to make.

00:09:42.000 And yet, it's so funny because the left will then use religion as a club when they feel that it's convenient, right?

00:09:47.000 So James Clyburn, who is a representative, he came out and he said that anybody who is Christian or Jewish should obviously be in favor of the Dreamers because otherwise they'd be violating their own religious precepts.

00:10:01.000 This is Representative Clyburn, a Democrat of South Carolina.

00:10:04.000 They love this country, and many of them, this is the only country they have ever known.

00:10:09.000 And for us to hold the children responsible for the sins of their parents defies who and what we are as a nation, and those people who believe in the minimalism of Christianity and Judaism ought to practice what we say we preach.

00:10:28.000 Okay, again, so the idea is that religion is bad, unless I wish to invoke it, in which case religion becomes good. 0.65

00:10:33.000 There's no actual concerted principle here.

00:10:36.000 There's no actual line of demarcation.

00:10:38.000 The Boston Globe ran a long piece this week talking specifically about Elizabeth Warren's faith.

00:10:43.000 Okay, Elizabeth Warren is the most pro-abortion member of the U.S. 1.00

00:10:45.000 Senate, but she's a deep believer.

00:10:47.000 You know, she's a deep believer.

00:10:49.000 Basically, religion is something that Democrats can say they actually like when it's convenient.

00:10:54.000 But the minute that you actually say, my religious values inform my values generally,

00:10:59.000 Then all of a sudden you're a bad person.

00:11:00.000 Unless, of course, you're a leftist.

00:11:01.000 Then if you're a leftist, then you can get away with it.

00:11:03.000 No problem.

00:11:04.000 This is a serious problem for Democrats, and I'm going to explain why in just a second.

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00:12:37.000 Right now we're polarized along so many lines in the United States.

00:12:40.000 We're polarized along racial lines.

00:12:42.000 Barack Obama spent a lot of time between 2008 and 2016 polarizing us along racial lines for political gain.

00:12:49.000 And I do think that there was an element in the 2016 election in which President Trump basically signaled to a lot of people that there was going to be a new white identity politics in response to the Barack Obama

00:13:01.000 Minority identity politics.

00:13:03.000 Basically, Democrats said for years and years and years there's this growing majority, right?

00:13:06.000 There's this new majority. 1.00

00:13:08.000 It's not going to include white people, those horrible white privileged white supremacist jackasses. 1.00

00:13:13.000 Those people who have taken over the United States and used it for their own benefit for the last 200 years. 1.00

00:13:17.000 They're going to be out on their butts. 0.99

00:13:19.000 And a lot of white people said, wait, what the heck? 0.99

00:13:20.000 Like, we didn't do any of that. 0.80

00:13:21.000 Like, what?

00:13:22.000 What now?

00:13:23.000 And Trump said to them, listen, I'm your guy, right?

00:13:25.000 I'm the guy who's going to defend you against the people who say that you need to not have any power in the system anymore.

00:13:30.000 So a white identity politics sort of sprung up.

00:13:32.000 And you can see that in the voting statistics.

00:13:34.000 The voting statistics in the 2016 election cycle, I mean, if you look at blue collar white voters, they voted overwhelmingly for President Trump.

00:13:43.000 I mean, by a huge number.

00:13:45.000 I'm looking at the numbers right now.

00:13:48.000 And in these areas, whites without a college degree, whites with no college degree, well, okay, Disney, whites with no college degree, they shifted from about 25 points more Republican in 2004 to nearly 40 points more Republican in 2016.

00:14:05.000 That's a massive shift.

00:14:08.000 Okay, it's a huge shift.

00:14:09.000 And basically they voted like a voting bloc, right?

00:14:11.000 We're constantly talking about the Hispanic voting bloc, or the black voting bloc.

00:14:14.000 Okay, they voted like their own racial voting bloc.

00:14:17.000 Blue collar, white voters.

00:14:18.000 They voted more Republican than Hispanics voted Democrat in this last election cycle.

00:14:22.000 Which is an amazing statistic.

00:14:23.000 It's a really incredible statistic.

00:14:25.000 Okay, that's one polarization.

00:14:26.000 Then we've been polarized along class lines.

00:14:28.000 This is what Bernie Sanders wants to do.

00:14:30.000 He wants to polarize us along lines of class.

00:14:32.000 All the poor people versus the 1%, the 1%, the evil 1%, which does include people like me, but don't worry, I am great, right? 0.90

00:14:40.000 He wants to polarize us along those lines, and that's why you see Occupy Wall Street, and that's why you see all of these social justice movements designed to tear down the rich.

00:14:49.000 And then you've got polarizations along sex lines.

00:14:51.000 This is what Hillary Clinton was trying to do. 1.00

00:14:53.000 There's a war on women, and that's why I'm not president. 1.00

00:14:55.000 Because there's a war on women. 1.00

00:14:57.000 Right?

00:14:57.000 This is the routine that you got from the entire Democratic Party, Katy Perry and the like, that there was some sort of glass ceiling Republicans had set up, and we have to bust through it.

00:15:06.000 Like a firework!

00:15:08.000 That's what we have to do.

00:15:09.000 And now, the Democrats are basically driving a response on religion.

00:15:14.000 This is going to be the next battleground.

00:15:16.000 Democrats believe that there's a rising majority of people who are secular and don't like religion.

00:15:20.000 And those people are going to form their new majority.

00:15:22.000 And the more dismissive and derisive they are about religion, the more they will win. 1.00

00:15:27.000 And people are going to backlash against this.

00:15:29.000 There's going to be a strong religious backlash against this.

00:15:31.000 People saying, you leave me the hell alone.

00:15:33.000 And the problem with the backlash is every backlash has an element that is a little bit too far.

00:15:39.000 So you will see people saying things like,

00:15:42.000 Let's re-enshrine some laws that are sort of religious in nature.

00:15:45.000 There will be a few people who say stuff like that because they're backlashing.

00:15:49.000 I don't think that'll be the great majority, but you are going to see religious people start to identify as a political bloc of their own.

00:15:55.000 That's what you're gonna see.

00:15:56.000 None of this is good.

00:15:58.000 We all used to be people of random colors and that didn't matter so much, I would say, even 10 years ago, before Obama's election.

00:16:05.000 Look at the polls.

00:16:06.000 We all used to be people in America who aspired to be rich, but we didn't rip each other down for what we earned.

00:16:11.000 We all used to be people who were men and women, people who loved each other, but we didn't break each other down according to which member of this sexual identity group you were.

00:16:20.000 And we all used to be people who had religion, didn't have religion, but that was your personal decision, and that could infuse your life how you saw fit.

00:16:27.000 Small government allows for all of that.

00:16:29.000 Small government means that I'm not going to use the government as a weapon against you, and you're not going to use the government as a weapon against me.

00:16:35.000 But now, religious people, look, 1.00

00:16:37.000 At people like Dianne Feinstein.

00:16:39.000 And they look at Dick Durbin.

00:16:40.000 And they look at James Clyburn.

00:16:41.000 And they look at Elizabeth Warren.

00:16:42.000 And they look at Hillary Clinton.

00:16:44.000 And they say to themselves, these people are coming after me.

00:16:47.000 They're coming after my children.

00:16:48.000 They want me to give up on how I raise my children.

00:16:51.000 They want me to give up my religious values.

00:16:53.000 They think they know better than I do right now.

00:16:56.000 That's why the Masterpiece Cake Shop case that is going to go to the Supreme Court next year,

00:17:00.000 is going to be so crucial in, I think, the next step of societal breakdown.

00:17:04.000 Very good shot that Justice Anthony Kennedy rules that you as a religious person cannot live out your religious faith in a business setting.

00:17:10.000 Even if it's your own business.

00:17:11.000 That if I have a business and I say, listen, I'm not up for catering your same-sex wedding, 1.00

00:17:16.000 You know, you're fine.

00:17:17.000 I'm not up for catering your same-sex wedding. 1.00

00:17:18.000 I'm not using the government's crackdown on you.

00:17:21.000 Good shot that Democrats and Anthony Kennedy, all these people get together and basically say, religious people do not have the ability to live out their religious lifestyle.

00:17:28.000 You know what that's going to do?

00:17:29.000 It's going to mean that religious people vote 90% for Republicans.

00:17:33.000 That's where this is going to go.

00:17:33.000 Senator Mike Lee gets this exactly right.

00:17:35.000 Senator from Utah, he says to Democrats, what you're doing right now is dividing the country.

00:17:41.000 This country is divided enough.

00:17:44.000 Millions of Americans feel that Washington, D.C.

00:17:47.000 and the dominant culture despise them.

00:17:51.000 And how could they not when they see their leaders sitting here, grilling patriotic citizens about their faith, like inquisitors?

00:18:00.000 How could they not feel like their values are not welcome in this chamber, within this government?

00:18:06.000 Religious freedom is of deep concern to me as a Mormon.

00:18:12.000 My church, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, have weathered extraordinary religious persecution.

00:18:20.000 And much of it, especially initially, was sponsored by government actors.

00:18:25.000 Okay, and what Lee is saying here is exactly right.

00:18:27.000 So what are Democrats replacing religion with?

00:18:29.000 The answer is they're replacing it with a religion of their own.

00:18:32.000 Best example of this.

00:18:33.000 So, yesterday, Betsy DeVos, who is the Secretary of Education, she rescinded the so-called Dear Colleague letter.

00:18:39.000 The Dear Colleague letter was a letter from the Obama administration to college administrators, I believe it was 2013, and it basically said to them,

00:18:46.000 If there is sexual assault or sexual harassment on your campus, then you are not allowed to simply dump it off on the police.

00:18:53.000 This constitutes a Title IX violation under the Civil Rights Act.

00:18:57.000 And that means that we will either prosecute you or remove your funding because this is sexual discrimination.

00:19:03.000 That if somebody is raped on your campus, and you don't do enough to stop it,

00:19:09.000 Then this will actually create an excuse for us to remove all of the cash from your campus.

00:19:15.000 And so what did the colleges do?

00:19:16.000 They were told what to do.

00:19:18.000 The Obama administration told them what you need to do right now is you need to set up tribunals, campus tribunals, these kangaroo courts, like a Spanish Inquisition.

00:19:27.000 No one expects it, but there it is.

00:19:28.000 There needs to be a Spanish Inquisition on campuses. 1.00

00:19:30.000 Anybody who's accused of sexual harassment or sexual assault has to be tried by you, but we're not going to use a beyond a reasonable doubt standard.

00:19:38.000 And we're not even going to use a strong, clear, and convincing evidence standard.

00:19:42.000 Instead, we're going to use a preponderance of the evidence standard.

00:19:46.000 So, Elliot Hamilton has a very good piece on this over at Daily Wire today, and he talks about this.

00:19:50.000 That the Dear Colleague letter substantially lowered the burden of proof required for college administrators to determine whether an alleged rapist or sexual assault or committed a heinous act.

00:19:58.000 The preponderance of evidence is the standard of proof required for civil offenses to show that evidence is at least 50% more likely to have shown responsibility for an act.

00:20:07.000 One of the most fundamental aspects of criminal law is that prosecutors need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that an alleged criminal both acted in a moral manner and possessed the requisite mental intent to commit the crime, but the Dear Colleague letter gets rid of that.

00:20:19.000 And these are kangaroo courts abused by radicals.

00:20:22.000 Tiana Lowe, National Review.

00:20:23.000 Explain, quote, there's another side to the system's evil, one that has been drowned out by social justice blathering and a select few girls who cried rape. 0.98

00:20:30.000 Because the guidelines are vague and uninstructed in crucial aspects, such as the rights of sexual assault victims and the accused, as well as the standards for keeping public statistics of conviction rates, schools vary widely in how they treat these cases, ranging from extreme bias against men accused of sexual assault to cruel prejudice against sexual assault victims.

00:20:48.000 Every school that reaches a guilty verdict without so much as text messages submitted as evidence, there's another willing to exonerate a wealthy student at any cost.

00:20:57.000 This gets rid of the due rights for the accused.

00:21:00.000 I guess it was a 2011 letter.

00:21:01.000 It gets rid of the due process rights of the accused.

00:21:07.000 And this is obviously, it's obviously anti-American.

00:21:11.000 It's obviously a serious problem.

00:21:13.000 But what the Democrats do, what people on the left do, is they say if you want any sort of legal standard actually upheld here for people accused of sexual assault, then that means that you must side with the rapists.

00:21:23.000 You must side with the rapists.

00:21:24.000 It's sort of a new Salem witch trial.

00:21:26.000 Right? 0.98

00:21:26.000 You're a witch if you float. 0.98

00:21:28.000 Right? 0.98

00:21:28.000 If you decide that you don't like these standards, then that must mean that you are a witch, right? 0.98

00:21:33.000 Obviously you're pro-rape if you want people convicted of rape to actually have to have evidence proved against them. 0.53

00:21:39.000 This is a religious standard, and that's because the left has a religious belief that anybody who claims victimhood must be considered a victim, unless of course you are a straight white male. 0.97

00:21:46.000 If you're a straight white male, and you claim victimhood, that's because you're a whiner. 0.77

00:21:49.000 But if you're not a straight white male, and you claim that you've been victimized in any sort of scenario, then that means we have to believe you without evidence. 0.95

00:21:55.000 Now, you may have been a victim, okay?

00:21:56.000 I'm not making light of people who are actual sexual assault victims. 0.99

00:21:59.000 People who sexually assault, as I've said a thousand times, should be put in jail for life, castrated, or killed. 0.99

00:22:04.000 Or all three, okay? 0.99

00:22:06.000 Like, all of these are acceptable to me.

00:22:07.000 But, the idea that you're going to set up your own sort of religious tribunal, that secularism doesn't come with radicalism, that secularism doesn't come with this sort of inquisitorial mindset of his own, it's just not true.

00:22:23.000 Now, in a minute, I want to talk about what President Trump is doing to work with Democrats and what impact this is going to have on Republicans going forward.

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00:24:16.000 Okay, so, in other political matters, President Trump has gone full Democrat on DACA, on the executive amnesty.

00:24:26.000 He's also going full Democrat on the debt ceiling.

00:24:29.000 And this is a serious problem.

00:24:33.000 On the debt ceiling, I'll let Mark Meadows, who's one of the heads of the Freedom Caucus, explain why this is a serious problem with the debt ceiling.

00:24:39.000 Because it is a serious problem with the debt ceiling.

00:24:41.000 I think the cliff that it sets up in December right before Christmas is certainly not good.

00:24:48.000 But it does show, and you always look for a silver lining, and that's one of the things that I'm looking for, is in this particular thing, it shows that the president is myopically focused on tax reform.

00:25:00.000 I think what we have is certainly were people blindsided?

00:25:03.000 Yes.

00:25:04.000 Was I surprised?

00:25:06.000 Without a doubt.

00:25:07.000 And I think for many of us, there was not a conservative solution out there.

00:25:13.000 You know, and so people want to criticize the Trump administration for making this call.

00:25:18.000 We were talking about a clean debt ceiling, you know, months ago.

00:25:21.000 You and I talked about that months ago.

00:25:23.000 And so as we look at this, if there's not a conservative alternative, why should you get surprised?

00:25:29.000 Okay, so there is a conservative alternative.

00:25:31.000 Meadows could have provided it, and Trump could have gone along with it, but Trump didn't do any of those things.

00:25:35.000 The idea there was nothing on the table that was better than what Trump did here is just not true.

00:25:38.000 What he's saying here about this cliff, this fiscal cliff, you remember, we've done this a few times before.

00:25:44.000 Basically, in December we're going to hit the end of the budget, and Republicans are going to have to pass a new continuing resolution to fund the budget, plus we're going to hit the debt ceiling again, and that means Republicans are going to have to push off the debt ceiling.

00:25:55.000 Democrats are going to try to extract some sort of concessions in return for the budget and the debt ceiling.

00:26:00.000 Now, Meadows says, the good news is that gives us three months to pass tax reform.

00:26:05.000 That's not true, okay?

00:26:06.000 I like Mark Meadows, but he's not right here, okay?

00:26:08.000 Ben Sasse is correct.

00:26:09.000 When Ben Sasse says, the problem is that if we really wanted to set up for tax reform,

00:26:15.000 Then we would have gotten the government funded now, and we would have pushed off the debt ceiling for longer than three months, because the problem is, now Republicans know in the back of their mind they're going to have to make some concessions to Chuck Schumer in order for them to get the debt ceiling and the budget.

00:26:27.000 And that means they can't push for such a harsh tax reform package, because Schumer can hold it hostage.

00:26:32.000 Schumer can just say, listen, you're not going to get a single Democrat vote on that, and if you pass the tax reform, no debt ceiling increase and no budget.

00:26:41.000 Okay, creates a serious problem here.

00:26:43.000 Alaa Pandit over at Hot Air gets this exactly right.

00:26:46.000 He says, I think Trump honestly believes Democrats are going to fund the border wall in December as part of a grand bargain to raise the debt ceiling and avert a shutdown.

00:26:53.000 He didn't want a shutdown with them over that right now because the country's focused on storm damage and won't stand for a needless crisis of Uncle Sam's own making.

00:27:00.000 But he does want a showdown with them eventually, sooner rather than later.

00:27:03.000 That's the best explanation I can manage for why he preferred a short-term solution to the long-term one.

00:27:07.000 Unless, of course, he and his new friend Chuck managed to blow up the debt ceiling altogether before then, that also wouldn't be conducive to draining the swamp, but it would make fiscal standoffs much harder for conservatives like Sass to engineer.

00:27:17.000 So in other words, he's saying maybe the best salute, maybe the best rationale for Trump doing this is that he just didn't want to fight like this moment because of Hurricane Harvey, but he had the upper hand in this fight because if Democrats hold up funding for Hurricane Harvey,

00:27:31.000 Then Republicans win.

00:27:33.000 We know this because Democrats actually did this over Hurricane Sandy, and Republicans lost.

00:27:37.000 Whichever party says, we're going to hold up the debt ceiling because we don't like what you're doing with hurricane funding, pays the price.

00:27:43.000 They pay the political price.

00:27:44.000 That actually happened back during Hurricane Sandy, if you recall.

00:27:48.000 It actually helped Barack Obama when Republicans pushed for fiscal restraint in the face of Hurricane Harvey.

00:27:55.000 But Republicans are in control right now.

00:27:56.000 It's just bad policy all the way through, and a lot of it is coming from Trump's animus and ire for the Republicans right now.

00:28:02.000 How do I know that?

00:28:03.000 Because Trump basically tweeted that out this morning.

00:28:05.000 This morning, Trump tweeted out, Republicans, sorry.

00:28:08.000 He seriously tweeted this out.

00:28:10.000 Republicans, sorry.

00:28:11.000 But I've been hearing about repeal and replace for seven years.

00:28:13.000 Didn't happen.

00:28:14.000 Even worse, the Senate filibuster rule will never allow the Republicans to pass even great legislation.

00:28:18.000 Eight Dems control.

00:28:19.000 We'll rarely get 60 versus 51 votes.

00:28:22.000 It's a Repub death wish. 1.00

00:28:23.000 Republicans must start the tax reform tax cut legislation ASAP.

00:28:27.000 Don't wait until the end of September.

00:28:28.000 Need it now more than ever.

00:28:29.000 Hurry! 0.99

00:28:31.000 OK, well, I understand that you're saying now they have to hurry, but the problem is that they're going to have to hash this out.

00:28:36.000 Legislation takes time.

00:28:37.000 It doesn't magically appear in front of you.

00:28:40.000 And this idea that Trump has this weird idea of the presidency that was promoted by some people who I like, like Grover Norquist, that McConnell and Ryan were just going to put legislation on his desk.

00:28:50.000 That's not how this is gonna work.

00:28:51.000 That's not how this is gonna work, okay?

00:28:53.000 The president has to take an active role in shaping how this works, because here's the truth.

00:28:57.000 Trump isn't punishing Republicans.

00:28:58.000 It's not that Republicans universally want tax reform, and now Trump is urging them forward.

00:29:03.000 Republicans don't universally want tax reform.

00:29:05.000 That's the whole point.

00:29:06.000 There are a bunch of Republicans who are happy to vote with Democrats on this stuff, and Trump, by doing this, is actually granting them cover.

00:29:13.000 If you don't get anything done now, Trump is basically gonna say, well, you know, the Republicans just couldn't get it done.

00:29:20.000 And unless you're conservative, in which case you get bashed by your own base for not supporting Trump.

00:29:23.000 Let's say you're Lindsey Graham.

00:29:24.000 And let's say you don't support the tax reform package that's put on the table.

00:29:29.000 And Trump says, listen, I gave you guys a chance and you didn't do it, now I'm working with the Democrats.

00:29:32.000 You think that really makes people like Susan Collins upset?

00:29:36.000 You think she's sitting around going, oh no, now I'm gonna have to vote with the Democrats? 0.54

00:29:39.000 Of course not!

00:29:40.000 The whole critique of Republicans is that they were too willing to work with Democrats, threatening Republicans by saying, listen, if you guys won't work together, I'm gonna go work with the Democrats.

00:29:49.000 That doesn't work at all.

00:29:51.000 That doesn't work at all.

00:29:53.000 I mean, that's legitimately like saying, listen, arsonist who wants to burn down my house, if you try to burn down my house, I'm telling you right now, if you try to burn down my house and you don't succeed, I'm gonna set it on fire myself.

00:30:05.000 What?

00:30:06.000 That doesn't, no, no, that's not how any of this works.

00:30:09.000 The fact that this is being driven by personal ire does not make it good.

00:30:12.000 Mick Mulvaney, who is Trump's head of Office of Management and Budget, he basically came out and said that this is all because Trump is mad at Ryan and McConnell.

00:30:20.000 Do you know whether the president is genuinely annoyed at Republicans in Niagara, at the leadership?

00:30:26.000 And that's why he's reaching across the aisle, because he's fed up with them.

00:30:29.000 I just read into what he did with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi on this dead thing as a sign.

00:30:33.000 I'm sick of you guys.

00:30:35.000 I'll answer half your question, which is, is he annoyed with Republican leadership?

00:30:38.000 Yeah, I think he probably is.

00:30:41.000 And believe me, as a Republican, so am I. As a citizen, I am too.

00:30:44.000 I was promised that they would have repealed and replaced Obamacare by now.

00:30:48.000 I'm a voter.

00:30:49.000 I have a member of Congress.

00:30:50.000 I have a senator.

00:30:51.000 I've not only made those promises to people for the last seven years when I was running for office,

00:30:56.000 People made them to me.

00:30:58.000 And I was disappointed and somewhat annoyed that we've not followed through on that promise.

00:31:01.000 I don't think that's an unnatural reaction at all.

00:31:02.000 And to the extent that the President was annoyed by that, I think he's simply reflecting the opinion of many of the people in the country.

00:31:08.000 I agree, we're all annoyed by it.

00:31:09.000 I've been ripping on Ryan McConnell all year long.

00:31:12.000 I mean, of course we're all annoyed by it, but the solution to being annoyed by it is not to go over to the other side.

00:31:16.000 I mean, that was the entire logic of Trump vs. Hillary.

00:31:19.000 Literally the entire logic of Trump vs. Hillary was, we have to stop the Democratic agenda.

00:31:24.000 It's not stopping the Democratic agenda to vote with Pelosi and Schumer.

00:31:27.000 Okay, that's just madness, what we're talking about right now.

00:31:30.000 And, by the way, if you think that this is all just a slap at Paul Ryan and he's really upset and Mitch McConnell, they're sitting around crying into their beer because Trump is working with Pelosi and Schumer, recognize something.

00:31:38.000 Republicans just passed Trump's deal with Pelosi and Schumer with majorities in both houses.

00:31:44.000 Okay, here's Paul Ryan. 0.89

00:31:45.000 Literally yesterday, two days ago, Paul Ryan said that any attempt to connect Hurricane Harvey funding with the debt ceiling was ridiculous, irresponsible, terrible. 0.92

00:31:53.000 Trump flips, and boom, look at Paul Ryan now. 0.52

00:31:57.000 We're getting hit with two hurricanes.

00:31:59.000 We're still dealing with Harvey in Texas, Louisiana.

00:32:01.000 We're just now getting hit with Irma, and he wanted to make this a bipartisan moment.

00:32:06.000 He wanted to make this a bipartisan moment where we weren't fighting each other up in Washington about hurricane aid.

00:32:11.000 He just wanted to get it done, get it out of the way, so that aid is flowing to the states that need it right now, so that we can go and then focus on things like tax reform.

00:32:20.000 So it's perfectly reasonable and rational why he's doing what he's doing.

00:32:23.000 Okay, one second.

00:32:24.000 This is the worst idea ever.

00:32:25.000 Trump does it, and all of a sudden he's fine with it.

00:32:26.000 Does that look like Ryan is very disappointed and upset?

00:32:29.000 Or does it look like he's kind of willing to work with Democrats, which was the whole rip on him a year ago.

00:32:34.000 The whole reason Trump was elected is because it was conservatives, right, not even conservatives, Republicans like Ryan and McConnell, these rhinos constantly working with Democrats.

00:32:43.000 And then Trump goes and works with Democrats in revenge?

00:32:46.000 How's that revenge?

00:32:47.000 How's that not giving them exactly what they want?

00:32:49.000 It's even worse than that.

00:32:51.000 Trump on executive amnesty.

00:32:53.000 So Trump, let's just do a quick flashback here.

00:32:56.000 Let's remember what happened over the past five years.

00:32:58.000 Here's 2012.

00:32:59.000 Here's Jeb Bush in 2012 talking about how he supports the so-called Dream Act.

00:33:04.000 This was an act to legalize all of the dreamers.

00:33:07.000 If the law says clearly that you have a case-by-case right to review cases, and you blanket, say, 800,000 people comply, that is way beyond the purview of executive power.

00:33:23.000 So I don't support that.

00:33:24.000 I think to use the power of the presidency effectively, you don't have to use it for cynical reasons.

00:33:30.000 You don't have to use it beyond what your power, what the Constitution allows.

00:33:34.000 But having a solution to the fact that we have all these young people, many of whom are making great contributions, don't have a connection to their parents' former country, yeah, of course I'm for it.

00:33:48.000 Okay, so that is him taking Trump's exact position today.

00:33:51.000 Right?

00:33:51.000 How dare Barack Obama do the DACA?

00:33:55.000 But if the legislature wants to pass some sort of solution, that'd be great.

00:33:58.000 Right?

00:33:58.000 And remember, in 2016, it wasn't like Trump was shy about this.

00:34:02.000 In 2016, he kept punching Jeb Bush through a wall every five minutes over exactly this position.

00:34:10.000 I don't often agree with Marco, and I don't often agree with Ted, but I can in this case.

00:34:16.000 The weakest person on this stage by far on illegal immigration is Jeb Bush.

00:34:22.000 They come out of an act of love, whether you like it or not.

00:34:27.000 He is so weak on illegal immigration, it's laughable, and everybody knows it.

00:34:32.000 So, you know, this is the standard operating procedure to disparage me.

00:34:37.000 That's fine.

00:34:38.000 I don't really care.

00:34:38.000 Spend a little more money on the commercials.

00:34:40.000 Okay, and that was what Trump did the entire campaign.

00:34:42.000 That's why people liked it.

00:34:43.000 Because Jeb was weak!

00:34:44.000 There was a pansy! 1.00

00:34:45.000 And there was Trump! 0.83

00:34:46.000 Beating him down! 0.65

00:34:47.000 Like Donkey Kong! 0.99

00:34:48.000 I mean, just ripping him apart!

00:34:50.000 And now, here's Nancy Pelosi talking yesterday about President Trump, the guy who savaged Jeb Bush.

00:34:57.000 Here is Nancy Pelosi.

00:35:00.000 We made it very clear in the course of the conversation that the priority was to pass the DREAM Act, that we wanted to do it.

00:35:12.000 Obviously, it has to be bipartisan.

00:35:13.000 The president said he supports that, he would sign it.

00:35:18.000 But we have to get it passed.

00:35:20.000 Okay, so look how magical that is.

00:35:23.000 In the space of five years, Trump went from, Jeb Bush is the weakest, in the space of a year, he went from Jeb Bush is the weakest on immigration to embracing Jeb Bush's exact position on the Dreamers.

00:35:32.000 Like, word for word, the exact position.

00:35:34.000 Hey, is that a slap in the face to the establishment, guys?

00:35:37.000 Like, I understand that we've now redefined anti-establishment to just mean whatever we want it to mean.

00:35:42.000 I understand we've redefined RINO to mean whatever we want it to mean.

00:35:45.000 But these things used to have meanings, right?

00:35:46.000 Anti-establishment used to mean you opposed policies like Jeb Bush, and you didn't want to stand with the Democrats.

00:35:51.000 Now, anti-establishment means that you want to stand against the Democrats because Trump.

00:35:56.000 Okay, so if Trump declared himself a Democrat tomorrow, there would be a contingent of Republicans who would simply say, well, you know, you're a real rhino if you don't go with Trump.

00:36:03.000 Because Trump's the ultimate Republican. 0.63

00:36:05.000 So if Trump becomes a Democrat, you should become a Democrat too, or you're a rhino. 0.70

00:36:09.000 Okay, then.

00:36:10.000 That's weird how that all happened in five seconds.

00:36:13.000 Okay, well then.

00:36:14.000 Well, I want to get to things I like and things I hate.

00:36:17.000 And listen, I hope that Trump pulls back from this.

00:36:19.000 I hope that Trump stops with this flirtation with the Democrats.

00:36:22.000 I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.

00:36:24.000 He's enjoying this too much.

00:36:25.000 He's enjoying throwing everyone into chaos.

00:36:27.000 He's enjoying taking off, supposedly, Ryan and McConnell.

00:36:30.000 He's enjoying the love of the press.

00:36:32.000 Please, Mr. President, these are not the policies that got you elected.

00:36:35.000 These are not the people who got you elected.

00:36:37.000 Pelosi and Schumer will impeach you the first chance they get.

00:36:40.000 For the love of Mike, please, for goodness sake, put a head back on your shoulders and recognize you may hate Ryan, you may hate McConnell.

00:36:47.000 We're all disappointed in them.

00:36:49.000 But this notion that you are going to sit around making deals with the Democrats because you must in order to tick off members of your own party is just a waste.

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00:38:19.000 Okay, time for some things I like, and then some things I hate, and the mailbag.

00:38:22.000 So things I like, before I get to an entertainment thing I like, I first want to point out that Berkeley has now released the tickets.

00:38:31.000 It's too late, they sold out in 45 minutes.

00:38:33.000 In legitimately 45 minutes, they sold out 1,000 tickets.

00:38:35.000 They cut off the other 1,000 tickets because that's what Berkeley does, because they're afraid Antifa is going to come in and grab chairs and fling them over the railings and murder people, basically.

00:38:44.000 But Berkeley should obviously release the other 1,000 tickets.

00:38:47.000 We have at least 3,000 people who want the tickets.

00:38:50.000 At least 3,000.

00:38:51.000 Probably more at this point.

00:38:52.000 Probably 4,000 or 5,000 people want the tickets, and Berkeley has restricted the venue because they can't protect it.

00:38:57.000 But they're taking security measures that are absolutely amazing.

00:39:00.000 I mean, the security measures that they're taking because of Antifa are extraordinary.

00:39:04.000 They're actually locking down six separate buildings, apparently.

00:39:08.000 Six buildings, outside the one I'm speaking in.

00:39:10.000 Okay, in a campus-wide email on Thursday, this is according to James Barrett over at Daily Wire, Berkeley's Executive Vice Chancellor and Provost, Paul Alivisatos, detailed the steps the university is taking in order to keep things on campus from devolving into chaos, because I am arriving.

00:39:26.000 Apparently, they are locking down a bunch of buildings.

00:39:28.000 They're shutting down multiple buildings and parking lots to create a closed perimeter around Zellerbach Hall, where I am speaking.

00:39:34.000 I mean, this is scary stuff, folks.

00:39:36.000 They're creating a secure perimeter by shutting down buildings, providing alternative options for faculty, staff, and students so they can try to engage in their regular academic activities without fear of violence erupting.

00:39:45.000 So if there's still classes going on around that time, they're trying to find them alternative classrooms with police guards, basically, so that Antifa doesn't attack normal students.

00:39:54.000 Imposing special restrictions on tickets and IDs.

00:39:56.000 You have to show up.

00:39:57.000 They're only selling them one at a time.

00:39:58.000 You can't buy a block of tickets.

00:39:59.000 So everybody has to show up and personally show an ID in order to pick up the ticket, which is an insane process.

00:40:04.000 And they're offering support and counseling services for faculty, staff, and students because I might hurt your feelings.

00:40:09.000 So, obviously, the real threat here is not the people who might throw chairs into the audience.

00:40:13.000 It's me.

00:40:14.000 Because, wah-wah, I might hurt your feelings.

00:40:17.000 Oh, you need some counseling.

00:40:18.000 Antifa, by the way, has released its own poster.

00:40:21.000 They don't call themselves Antifa.

00:40:22.000 They call themselves Refuse Fascism.

00:40:24.000 But, I am a fascist, apparently. 0.99

00:40:26.000 You know, despite the fact that I have spent my entire career being anti-fascist, and ripping the alt-right, and suggesting the alt-right are garbage people with garbage beliefs, and fighting fascism my entire career. 0.99

00:40:36.000 No, I am the real fascist. 0.99

00:40:38.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:40:39.000 Also, worth noting, the Berkeley Student Senate wanted to pass a resolution condemning Berkeley subsidizing my event next week, but it failed by a vote of 15-5.

00:40:49.000 That vote failed by a vote of 15-5 because there were a bunch of student senators who were upset that the resolution was too broad.

00:40:57.000 He wanted to create two bills, one condemning the subsidization of my event, and the other condemning hate speech in general.

00:41:04.000 Then that's because they didn't want to lump me in with other people who were engaged in hate speech.

00:41:07.000 So, good on some of the Berkeley students who recognize that not all speech is exactly the same, although the hate speech notion itself is sort of ridiculous because it's absolutely changeable under any circumstances.

00:41:19.000 Okay, so, the event at Berkeley is going to go forward.

00:41:22.000 If you're upset that you can't get a ticket,

00:41:24.000 Feel free to call in and register your disapproval politely.

00:41:27.000 Politely.

00:41:27.000 Always be polite.

00:41:28.000 We're the good guys here.

00:41:29.000 Okay, so be polite.

00:41:30.000 And I will see you at Berkeley and I will give you more updates next week.

00:41:33.000 I mean, this is dangerous stuff, locking down full buildings.

00:41:35.000 Craziness.

00:41:36.000 Wow. 0.56

00:41:37.000 But I'm the fascist, by the way.

00:41:39.000 My speech is called, Fighting Campus Thuggery. 0.91

00:41:42.000 And the Antifa poster says, I'm the real thug.

00:41:44.000 Okay, they're not locking down the top level because of me. 1.00

00:41:47.000 I'm not the one tossing chairs, you morons. 0.99

00:41:50.000 Okay, time for another thing that I like. 0.99

00:41:52.000 So, there's a series that I've just started watching.

00:41:55.000 I cannot vouch for the entire series.

00:41:57.000 I can vouch for like the first three episodes, which I've seen so far.

00:41:59.000 Hopefully it holds up.

00:42:00.000 It has like 94% on Rotten Tomatoes.

00:42:02.000 There is some random nudity for no reason, because it was made in Europe, and that's just what Europeans do. 0.99

00:42:07.000 But here is, it's available on Amazon.

00:42:09.000 The show is called Fortitude.

00:42:16.000 We live on the one place on Earth where we're guaranteed a quiet life.

00:42:24.000 Where lovers of the wilderness, lovers of the Northern Lights, or just lovers, can witness the wildest things they'll ever see from the safest place on Earth.

00:42:46.000 So naturally, it doesn't end up being the safest place on Earth.

00:42:48.000 You might have gotten that from, like, the fact that it's a show.

00:42:51.000 If it was just the safest place on Earth, that'd be the most boring show ever.

00:42:53.000 But it's... I'm interested to see where it's going.

00:42:56.000 It's got sort of a slightly supernatural element to it.

00:42:59.000 I wouldn't say too much.

00:43:00.000 It feels sort of like a mixture between The Stand and...

00:43:05.000 And wherever they film Batman Begins when Batman is training.

00:43:09.000 That's basically the mashup.

00:43:11.000 But I can vouch for the first four episodes and they're good.

00:43:14.000 Okay, time for a thing that I hate and then we'll do the mail- You know what?

00:43:17.000 Let's skip the thing I hate and let's spend more time on mailbag today.

00:43:19.000 Because I hate so many things.

00:43:21.000 Like, what's the point?

00:43:22.000 Okay, so let's just go straight to the mailbag.

00:43:24.000 And we'll take your questions live as well.

00:43:25.000 Stephen says, what made you choose the violin?

00:43:27.000 So, when you're five years old, which is when I started playing, you don't actually have the capacity to choose anything.

00:43:31.000 So it was my parents who chose the violin for me.

00:43:33.000 The reason was because, just sort of by random coincidence, I had a blankie, and the blankie had letters on it, and it had pictures for each letter.

00:43:40.000 And in one corner was a V for violin, and I was constantly kind of sucking on the corner of the blankie when I was like three.

00:43:48.000 That had the V for violin.

00:43:50.000 And so they said, okay, violin it is.

00:43:53.000 And I ended up being good at it.

00:43:54.000 I think I'm going to get my kids started on instruments soon.

00:43:57.000 The oldest one is three and a half, and I think that next year when she's four, I'm going to get her started on an instrument.

00:44:01.000 She says she wants to play cello, interestingly.

00:44:04.000 She's a very sophisticated three and a half year old.

00:44:06.000 Like really, when we are in the car, I say, what do you want to listen to?

00:44:09.000 And she'll say the Firebird, like by Stravinsky.

00:44:12.000 She really says this.

00:44:13.000 Like the music that she likes.

00:44:14.000 She also likes Beethoven's 6th.

00:44:15.000 She likes a lot of the music from Fantasia.

00:44:18.000 And also she likes In the Hall of the Mountain King by Grieg.

00:44:20.000 These are some of her favorites.

00:44:21.000 Okay, Jonathan says, Dear Ben, I'm wondering what your opinion is on the drinking age.

00:44:25.000 Some people argue if you're able to go to war and vote, you should also be able to drink.

00:44:28.000 Do you agree with this?

00:44:29.000 Yes, I agree with this. 0.99

00:44:30.000 If you're old enough to make a decision about voting, you're old enough to make a decision about drinking, and also don't make stupid decisions generally.

00:44:36.000 But yeah, if we're gonna set the voting age at 18, or you can serve in the military at 18, or get a job at 18, yes, you should be able to drink if you see fit.

00:44:43.000 Devon says, thank you for all the great content.

00:44:45.000 I'm a store manager for a large company.

00:44:47.000 My company loves to hire 18 to 22 year olds for high pressure sales jobs.

00:44:51.000 I'm having trouble getting them motivated to do the work necessary to be successful.

00:44:54.000 Any suggestions on managing immature young people?

00:44:57.000 Well, I mean, I think the only advice that I would give is the hard advice, which is do the job or you're fired, basically.

00:45:04.000 Like, learn the consequences of life.

00:45:06.000 This is a hard job, it's an exciting job, you can make a lot of money, but you need to do the work or I'm gonna can you.

00:45:11.000 Right?

00:45:12.000 Kids need consequences. 0.98

00:45:13.000 This is the funny thing about parenting now, is that, as a parent, I know, because you love your children so much, and this is true of young people, you love your children so much,

00:45:22.000 That you think that the worst thing you can do to them is set boundaries and rules.

00:45:26.000 Kids like boundaries and rules.

00:45:28.000 They want to know that the world is safe, and they want to know that there's a set of rules that if they follow, everything's going to be okay.

00:45:34.000 This is also true for people who are 18 to 22.

00:45:36.000 It's true for all people, that they want to know what the rules are.

00:45:39.000 They want to know the rules of the game.

00:45:41.000 You know, I've worked with young people at this company for a long time.

00:45:44.000 I'm still a relatively young person.

00:45:46.000 And I was a syndicated columnist when I was 17, so I was very successful when I was very young.

00:45:50.000 But, when I work with young people at the company, basically, they know.

00:45:55.000 You have a responsibility.

00:45:56.000 Your responsibility is to produce acts.

00:45:57.000 I'm not going to micromanage you.

00:45:59.000 Right?

00:46:00.000 If I hired the right person, I don't have to micromanage you.

00:46:02.000 Actually, people at the company know this.

00:46:03.000 I prefer not to interact in terms of managing your job.

00:46:06.000 Your job is your job.

00:46:07.000 I'm going to tell you what I need you to do, and you're going to do it.

00:46:09.000 And if you don't do it, you're going to get fired.

00:46:11.000 And it's that simple.

00:46:12.000 And it has nothing to do with like or dislike.

00:46:14.000 You have a job to do.

00:46:15.000 And the better you do your job, the more I'll like the job you do.

00:46:17.000 I think that you set that standard very early on.

00:46:19.000 I think that young people understand that, and they respect that.

00:46:22.000 I think it's the same thing with teachers.

00:46:23.000 Teachers who want to be friends with their students, it's a total fail.

00:46:26.000 But teachers who say, listen, you work hard, you'll get an A. You don't work hard, you'll get an F. I think students appreciate that.

00:46:32.000 Nick says, There's a bit of a personal question, but I'll just get right to it.

00:46:35.000 Last year, my dad cheated on my mom.

00:46:37.000 My mom caught him and said he was going to end.

00:46:39.000 It never did.

00:46:39.000 My parents are currently getting divorced, and he has become more open about dating this woman he had the affair with.

00:46:44.000 Nothing has changed with the way he treated me.

00:46:45.000 He still treats me great, and we have a good relationship.

00:46:48.000 However, I'm finding it hard to still respect the man.

00:46:50.000 I love him, but this has definitely put a strain on our relationship.

00:46:52.000 What should I do?

00:46:53.000 Should I just accept him with his faults or treat him with respect but never truly forgive him?

00:46:56.000 Thanks.

00:46:57.000 Well, I'm not sure that he asked you for forgiveness.

00:46:59.000 And obviously, forgiveness would also require repentance.

00:47:01.000 In Judaism, there's a difference between forgiveness and repentance.

00:47:04.000 If you are asking for my forgiveness, you have to stop doing what you are doing.

00:47:10.000 If you're punching me in the face, and in the middle you say, I'm really sorry, and then you punch me in the face again,

00:47:15.000 I can't forgive you, okay?

00:47:16.000 The whole point of you repenting is that you stop doing what you're doing.

00:47:19.000 Now in this particular case, it sounds like your parents are currently getting divorced and it's not getting put back together.

00:47:24.000 I think that your best move is probably just to accept that your dad is a deeply flawed human being.

00:47:29.000 I don't think it's inappropriate for you to be angry at your father or feel anger with him.

00:47:33.000 Your feelings are totally justified, I think.

00:47:35.000 But if you want to live a happier life, I think that you're going to have to just accept that your dad is a flawed person.

00:47:40.000 That the relationship between your parents is really between them.

00:47:44.000 I think your mom will probably understand this as well and I Listen if God forbid that happened with my parents I would certainly have trust issues with my father for the rest of his life for certain so I can't blame you for having those trust issues but I think that reliving this over and over is not going to be a Productive experience if you want to have a relationship with him if you don't want to have a relationship with him then that's a choice you can make as well and that

00:48:07.000 Also, I don't think it's a completely unreasonable choice.

00:48:09.000 So, tribalism in Judaism is supposed to be about the ideas of Judaism. 0.61

00:48:12.000 So, religious tribalism is about the ideas.

00:48:23.000 Okay, ethnic tribalism is about nothing having to do with ideas.

00:48:26.000 It's about outward manifestations, right?

00:48:29.000 It's about race or sex or stuff that's not supposed to make a difference, right?

00:48:33.000 There is a real philosophical and political difference between Judaism and other religions, just like there is between Christianity and other religions or Islam and other religions.

00:48:41.000 These are distinctions that make a difference in how you lead your life.

00:48:44.000 So, there can be ideological tribalism.

00:48:46.000 That's not really tribalism, that's ideology.

00:48:48.000 Now, what's weird about Judaism is that Judaism does have an ethnic component, but you can convert into Judaism, right?

00:48:53.000 It's not purely ethnic.

00:48:55.000 If you decide that you want to become a Jew, you can convert and become a Jew. 0.95

00:48:58.000 If Judaism were purely ethnic, then the suggestion would be that you can't become a Jew no matter what, and that if you, and that, and therefore, we only accept people of a particular bloodline.

00:49:08.000 That's not correct.

00:49:09.000 If you want to convert, we will accept your conversion.

00:49:12.000 We also don't believe, by the way, that if you're not Jewish that you can't get into heaven or be a good person or anything.

00:49:16.000 It's one of the weird things about Judaism as opposed to other religions. 0.99

00:49:19.000 We are not exclusive in our access to God or heaven.

00:49:23.000 So that's worth noting.

00:49:26.000 As well.

00:49:28.000 People ask me all the time, from a Jewish perspective, and I'm not going to give the halakhic, the Jewish perspective, I'm going to give my own perspective.

00:49:33.000 Now, there's a lot about ethnic Judaism and Judaism, this idea that you have allegiance to people who are ethnically Jewish.

00:49:39.000 Okay, I don't really feel strong allegiance to people who are quote-unquote ethnically Jewish, just because they were born and have a last name that ends in Gold or Steen.

00:49:46.000 Like, that doesn't seem to, like, Noam Chomsky, if I had a choice between saving Mathis and Noam Chomsky, that is the easiest choice in the world.

00:49:55.000 Neither.

00:49:55.000 No, the easiest choice in the world would be Mathis, obviously.

00:49:58.000 Noam Chomsky's a garbage human being. 0.99

00:50:00.000 I'm not a big fan of the idea that ethnicity defines your goodness or badness. 0.99

00:50:05.000 The ethnic Judaism just has to do with who is considered a Jew initially in Judaism and who can be part of the Jewish people.

00:50:13.000 But again, you can convert in.

00:50:16.000 My question is, in the eyes of God, how is killing during war different than murder?

00:50:19.000 And what about collateral damage when so-called innocents lose their lives?

00:50:22.000 FYI, totally obsessed with you, not in a Glenn Close fatal attraction type of way, but really close, lol.

00:50:27.000 Well, that would explain the dead rabbit, but as far as how is killing during war different than murder?

00:50:32.000 Killing during war is different than murder because presumably the people on the other side are trying to kill you, so it's more self-defense.

00:50:37.000 This is why there's all sorts, reams of religious literature and moral literature about what justifies war.

00:50:43.000 Is preemptive war justified if you're protecting your own life?

00:50:46.000 The idea of a purely aggressive war is sort of foreign to moral concepts.

00:50:49.000 The idea of, I'm just gonna go to war because I want your resources?

00:50:52.000 Most moral people don't believe that's a thing.

00:50:55.000 But, if you are fighting an army that's determined to conquer you, invade your rights, kill you, change your way of life, then that changes the math somewhat.

00:51:03.000 As far as collateral damage,

00:51:06.000 This is a serious problem that moral people also have to consider, which is, if I have to fight that army, how guilty are the innocents who are associated with that army?

00:51:16.000 So this actually has a lot of moral complexity to it.

00:51:18.000 So going back to the time of Napoleon, before Napoleon, actually these were very easy questions, because there were civilians and then there were people who were military.

00:51:25.000 And the military people were basically lords who would ride around in their armor and hit each other.

00:51:29.000 And then they'd have armies that they hired to hit each other, and they'd go out to the middle of a field and fight each other.

00:51:34.000 That made things a lot clearer.

00:51:35.000 Napoleon was the first world leader who actually integrated civilian with military.

00:51:39.000 So he said, all Frenchmen are now soldiers, right?

00:51:41.000 If you are a Frenchman and you have a farm, your farm is now a stock place for goods for the military.

00:51:47.000 There is no distinction anymore between civilian and military.

00:51:49.000 This move has really changed the nature of warfare in large scale.

00:51:54.000 So has democracy, because the argument is made that if you voted for Hitler, then you're part of Hitler's army, sort of.

00:51:59.000 You know, it's an argument, but the chief rule for moral folks is you try to avoid collateral damage as much as possible.

00:52:07.000 That's why the Geneva Conventions exist.

00:52:09.000 It's to try to avoid collateral damage. 0.99

00:52:11.000 It's also why it's so incredibly stupid when people say that terrorists ought to have rights under the Geneva Convention. 0.98

00:52:16.000 The whole point of a terrorist is that a terrorist hides in a civilian area not wearing a military uniform. 0.99

00:52:22.000 The whole point of the Geneva Conventions is to try to make your enemy wear a military uniform so you know who it's okay to kill.

00:52:28.000 If they hide as a civilian and they hide in a civilian area, you don't know who it's okay to kill, and then you end up killing a bunch of innocent people.

00:52:34.000 That's the whole point.

00:52:35.000 It's why you shouldn't give the same right to people who dress up like civilians and then act as terrorists as people who are in military uniform, right?

00:52:42.000 This is why there's an in-uniform, out-of-uniform distinction in international law.

00:52:47.000 Joseph says,

00:52:48.000 What does cruel and unusual punishment mean within the context of the Bill of Rights?

00:52:52.000 Everyone I see mention it uses a subjective interpretation, but I feel as if that's not what the founders intended.

00:52:57.000 Thanks.

00:52:57.000 Well, so I believe in the Clarence Thomas, Justice Scalia originalism view of cruel and unusual punishment, so you'd have to go back and look at what was considered cruel and unusual at the time.

00:53:08.000 There's this very, very weird notion on the left that cruel and unusual punishment includes the death penalty.

00:53:13.000 Clearly it does not include the death penalty.

00:53:15.000 There's an actual penalty prescribed in the Constitution for treason, and it is death.

00:53:19.000 So the same people who wrote the cruel and unusual punishment ban would not have also prescribed death if they thought it was a cruel and unusual punishment.

00:53:26.000 What they're probably talking about is forms of torture that were used pretty commonly at the time in monarchies, and you can look up the forms of torture that were used largely at the time and considered cruel and unusual, but you have to go back to the time and measure it by those standards.

00:53:40.000 Seth says,

00:53:51.000 There are asylum seekers.

00:53:53.000 These are people who presumably, legally speaking anyway, these are people who presumably are coming from a place where they are in danger, and we try to grant them asylum to protect them from the country that they are fleeing.

00:54:04.000 There are refugees, who are people of any sort who are just fleeing from a dangerous country. 1.00

00:54:08.000 They're not specific targets.

00:54:09.000 Asylum seekers usually are specific targets. 0.99

00:54:11.000 Refugees are just people fleeing from a bad situation. 1.00

00:54:14.000 And migrants are people who are coming for work. 0.98

00:54:17.000 A lot of the people who are coming to Europe right now, a huge percentage of them are male and they're young and they're setting up, so the argument is that a lot of them are coming over and setting up sort of a financially secure situation before bringing the rest of their family in.

00:54:29.000 But this also does create some questions about whether these are actual refugees or they're more economic migrants.

00:54:34.000 Are these people who are using the refugee situation as a lever in order to get into Europe?

00:54:39.000 Or are these people who are actually fleeing?

00:54:40.000 If they were just fleeing, you know,

00:54:41.000 Just getting out wholesale, you would expect more women and children. 1.00

00:54:43.000 So, I think that supply and demand is... Here's... So, let's put it this way.

00:54:46.000 Let's say that you're a grocery store.

00:54:48.000 You have 100 bottles of water in your grocery store.

00:54:49.000 And there are 400 people who want the bottles of water.

00:55:07.000 How exactly are you going to decide which hundred people get the bottles of water?

00:55:10.000 Is it wrong for you to say the people who can afford the bottles of water ought to get the bottles of water?

00:55:14.000 Should you go to first come first serve and not raise your prices?

00:55:17.000 Well maybe you might think that out of charity you're going to do that but here is the problem if you are a company that is shipping the water bottles down to that area and now it's more dangerous to ship the bottles down to that area because there's a hurricane how are you going to incentivize that company to get those bottles down into that area?

00:55:31.000 Now during a natural disaster there's a feeling that everyone should unite and basically put profit aside but

00:55:36.000 It is just naturally more expensive.

00:55:38.000 You have to pay somebody more to drive through a hurricane to get the water bottles to the store.

00:55:42.000 That means the price increases.

00:55:44.000 So, whenever there's a natural disaster, it creates more scarcity.

00:55:47.000 More scarcity means you have to go through more in order to get the product there.

00:55:50.000 That means the prices are going to increase.

00:55:51.000 I do not think it is immoral for prices to increase during a natural disaster.

00:55:55.000 I do think it is charitable to try and prevent the prices from increasing.

00:55:59.000 Okay, so it's both, right?

00:56:00.000 I don't think it's immoral for prices to increase.

00:56:01.000 I don't think you're screwing anyone.

00:56:03.000 I don't think that's the goal.

00:56:04.000 I think that's a recognition of economic reality, and I think it also incentivizes people who are not charitable to bring more goods in to a bad area.

00:56:12.000 I think it's charitable if you can do it, to lower prices voluntarily.

00:56:16.000 Adam says, Would you rather have dinner with Barack Obama or Donald Trump?

00:56:19.000 Which one could you see yourself having a better conversation with?

00:56:24.000 That sounds like a horror of a dinner choice.

00:56:26.000 I mean, that's like F. Mary Kill with Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnell, and Noam Chomsky.

00:56:32.000 I mean, that's just awful.

00:56:34.000 So, you know, would I rather have dinner with Barack Obama or Donald Trump?

00:56:37.000 Let's put it this way.

00:56:38.000 I think I could have a conversation about literature and movies with Barack Obama.

00:56:41.000 I'm not sure I could with Donald Trump.

00:56:42.000 Yeah, I think that Donald Trump and I, like, it seems to me that all of his conversations, like, it would just be awful anyway.

00:56:49.000 Barack would just sit there talking about how great he is, and then Trump would sit there talking about how great he is, and I'd be so bored, but I get the feeling that conversation with Obama would just be, on an intellectual level, a little more stimulating than conversation with Trump.

00:57:01.000 But that's not because I agree with Obama.

00:57:03.000 I think they're both, I think Obama's a horror show.

00:57:05.000 I think I agree with Trump on more things, but I actually enjoy sometimes talking with people with whom I disagree.

00:57:11.000 Anyway, okay, Evan says, what TV shows do you let your kids watch?

00:57:14.000 So I don't actually let my kids watch TV shows.

00:57:16.000 I let my kids watch old movies.

00:57:18.000 So I don't let, the young one is still under the age of two, he doesn't watch TV.

00:57:21.000 The one who is three and a half, she is, old Disney movies? 0.56

00:57:25.000 So she's seen a lot of the old Disney movies, like Bambi.

00:57:27.000 She watches Fantasia a lot right now.

00:57:28.000 She's in that stage.

00:57:29.000 And she watches a lot of old musicals.

00:57:31.000 So she knows Singing in the Rain.

00:57:33.000 She knows Summer Stock.

00:57:34.000 She knows her favorite is Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.

00:57:36.000 She loves Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. 1.00

00:57:37.000 This is how my parents brought me up.

00:57:39.000 We used to go to a store out here called Eddie Brandt's Saturday Matinee, which is sort of the great video store in Los Angeles.

00:57:45.000 And they used to rent old episodes of Dick Van Dyke and the Waltons and old movies.

00:57:49.000 And so that's why I've seen so many old movies.

00:57:51.000 She's being brought up along the same lines.

00:57:53.000 So, I think that that is the order of preference.

00:58:12.000 Friends and family.

00:58:14.000 After that, private charities through religious communities.

00:58:17.000 And after that, the government.

00:58:18.000 The government should always be the lender of last resort, essentially.

00:58:21.000 Because the fact is that foster care and government care is very, very difficult.

00:58:29.000 And the adoption process is far too complex, thanks to government.

00:58:31.000 Okay, that brings us to the end of today's Mailbag.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - September 08, 2017

When Politics Becomes Religion | Ep. 379

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