The Ben Shapiro Show - October 13, 2026


Why Expensive Software Is About to Be Free

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00:00:00.000 Meanwhile, Anthropic just keeps doomongering.
00:00:02.000 It's like all they do these days.
00:00:03.000 And you got to wonder at a certain point if there is some ulterior motive.
00:00:06.000 Because again, we're building the apocalypse.
00:00:10.000 So we got to keep building it.
00:00:11.000 But also it's the apocalypse.
00:00:12.000 It's a really, really bad PR pitch.
00:00:15.000 So I got to think that the people who are quote unquote building the apocalypse don't actually think they're building the apocalypse.
00:00:19.000 What they're actually looking for is government regulation.
00:00:21.000 And every single day they are bringing out some new narrative as to why the government must step in and restrict everybody, mainly so their competitors can't rise on them.
00:00:31.000 Again, maybe they're looking at their profit models and they're getting a little scared because they spent so much money on tech development and data centers and all the rest of it.
00:00:38.000 I don't know what it is, but the new scare of the day is that Anthropic says in a new warning that small AI models may be months away from being capable enough to self replicate on devices like smart ovens and off brand Android TV boxes.
00:00:51.000 So they're looking at whether AI models could find vulnerable devices, copy themselves onto those devices, and continue spreading without human help.
00:00:58.000 So they say that there would be difficulty in shutting that down because there's no centralized.
00:01:02.000 Point to shut it off once it's basically replicated like a virus across your oven, then end of the world.
00:01:07.000 I'm wondering which apps we are talking about.
00:01:12.000 What are these things that we are worried about precisely?
00:01:15.000 That Anthropic is going to self replicate on my oven?
00:01:18.000 What's it going to do with my oven?
00:01:21.000 Is it going to just like turn on my oven and annoy me?
00:01:24.000 What will it do to my oven?
00:01:25.000 That's so terrible.
00:01:26.000 And if it does that to my oven, shouldn't Anthropic be held responsible?
00:01:28.000 Because guys, it's your problem.
00:01:30.000 You're the ones who created Anthropic.
00:01:39.000 Well, I mean, you could just do that without telling us about all your problems, guys.
00:01:53.000 It's not going to restrict your liability, by the way.
00:01:56.000 If you, um, I swear, if Anthropic infects my alarm clock, There will be hell to pay.
00:02:05.000 It all feels as though you're manipulating.
00:02:06.000 That's what it feels like.
00:02:07.000 It is very obvious that AI is going to make cheaper and more affordable just enormous numbers of things for everyday consumers.
00:02:13.000 So, give you an example.
00:02:15.000 There is the ability, according to some people online like Pirate Nation, AI is now being used to recreate entire swaths of software, including Adobe software.
00:02:27.000 So, now a developer has released seven free open source apps as what they call clean room alternatives to Adobe's main tools.
00:02:33.000 So, instead of you having to actually buy Photoshop, They created something called photo craft that does the same thing vector craft is illustrator film craft is premiere pro light craft is lightroom.
00:02:44.000 So they're bringing the cost down to zero because these are all open sources and it'll be fascinating to see what people do with this.
00:02:49.000 So to the consumer, the cost of doing business is going to drop radically because if you had to buy subscriptions to all of the Adobe products, then you would be in serious trouble, but AI is going to make that incredibly cheap.
00:03:02.000 So the means of production are being more widely distributed because the price is now coming wildly down.
00:03:07.000 Chamoth over on the all in podcast.
00:03:09.000 He points out that the value of IP is going to basically drop to zero in software.
00:03:16.000 Why is this important?
00:03:18.000 I think that IP and software was effectively rendered worthless two days ago.
00:03:23.000 Yes.
00:03:24.000 Because if you think about it, when everything is headless, so when Elon makes his services headless, Benioff made Salesforce headless a few months earlier.
00:03:33.000 When all of these things are headless and you can wrap them in agent tools and you can connect them via MCP to other experiences, The value of IP does no longer exist in software.
00:03:45.000 It doesn't exist.
00:03:46.000 Okay, now, I think that that's a bit of an overstatement because I think that this is assuming, I think we're making sort of the Microsoft versus Apple mistake.
00:03:53.000 So, so back during the nineties, there's a big argument over Microsoft versus Apple because Microsoft basically designed its systems to be open source, meaning that you could actually use them as the basis for building other systems.
00:04:03.000 Apple made its products essentially closed box.
00:04:05.000 So you bought an iPhone or you bought an Apple computer and all of the programming was just on the Apple computer.
00:04:12.000 And because smart people had created both these things, they thought, okay, well, everyone's like us.
00:04:16.000 They're going to use the open source technology and then they're going to build their own versions of all of these programs.
00:04:16.000 They're smart.
00:04:20.000 And as it turns out, that's actually not how consumers work.
00:04:22.000 They tend to pick the cheapest and easiest thing.
00:04:25.000 And so what will actually happen is that, for example, In order to incentivize people to get knockoff of Adobe or new versions of Adobe that are basically cost to zero, what you will get is advertisers who basically end up paying the freight.
00:04:38.000 So the model will just change.
00:04:39.000 The value of IP won't drop to zero.
00:04:41.000 What will happen is that everything will become cheaper to the consumer and more plentiful.
00:04:45.000 Like you're not going to, most people who use AI are not going to create their own versions of Adobe programs.
00:04:51.000 There will be one guy who does and then who brings the price down radically and then finds other ways to monetize it.
00:04:56.000 That will be the most likely outcome of all of this.
00:04:59.000 Now, what does this mean?
00:05:01.000 In terms of AI more broadly, we'll get to more on this in a moment.
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00:06:05.000 Saya Nadella over at Microsoft talks about super, what's called super intelligence now is what Trump is calling super intelligence as opposed to artificial intelligence.
00:06:16.000 And here's what he says We can't attribute model behaviors and outputs to specific inputs of training data or configurations of model weights.
00:06:22.000 And yet we are deploying these complex agentic systems and models with access to our most sensitive data and giving them the ability to take mission critical actions on our behalf.
00:06:30.000 That's why it's time to step back and assess the trust architecture for this new era.
00:06:34.000 We simply can't outsource responsibility for what intelligence does on our behalf.
00:06:37.000 A model provider's assurances do not relieve us of that responsibility.
00:06:40.000 We can't treat superintelligence as a set of nested black boxes and simply accept or reject its recommendations, answers, and actions.
00:06:46.000 We have to build contained systems whose behavior we can observe, limits we can test, and actions we can always contain.
00:06:52.000 In other words, we need to separate the supply of intelligence from the authority over it.
00:06:56.000 So he says the most trustworthy superintelligence system will not be the one with the model we trust most.
00:07:01.000 It will be the one that enables us to trust the model the least, meaning that we should have controls over all of these things.
00:07:06.000 You should be able to toggle things on and off.
00:07:07.000 You should know the presets in advance.
00:07:10.000 That's right.
00:07:11.000 That is, in fact, right.
00:07:12.000 In the end, though, I think that Sight and Dell is going to run up against the reality, which is that people are too inattentive to actually do that.
00:07:20.000 They will eventually just throw everything into the machine and see what comes out.
00:07:25.000 Again, it's one of the problems with the tech bros.
00:07:27.000 One of the problems that you have, generally speaking, in human behavior is projecting your own mentality onto everybody else.
00:07:32.000 The tech bros tend to do this, they tend to think everybody thinks like me.
00:07:34.000 So they want a model that they can toggle on.
00:07:36.000 They keep complaining about safety.
00:07:38.000 Well, what if they could toggle it on and toggle it off?
00:07:40.000 The reality is most people don't want to spend time doing any of those things.
00:07:45.000 And so, whoever does create the most quote unquote trusted model will end up succeeding.
00:07:50.000 That is a reality.
00:07:50.000 So, I'm going to go closed box on some of this stuff as opposed to open source.
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