The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - September 01, 2026


Leaving with a legacy


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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to a very special episode of the Blueprint, Canada's Conservative
00:00:14.140 Podcast. I'm your host, Jamie Schmael, Member of Parliament for Halliburton-Cawartha Lakes,
00:00:18.400 with new content for you every single Tuesday, even throughout the summer. So don't forget to
00:00:23.000 Like, comment, subscribe and share this program, especially because it gives me no pleasure to say this is also the last episode of the Brockprint to talk about this and so much more.
00:00:37.720 We have Larry Brock, the Member of Parliament for Brantford Brant South, no stranger to the show.
00:00:44.820 Thank you for coming on.
00:00:45.920 And always thank you for inviting me, Jamie.
00:00:48.820 I've always take great pleasure of attending on your podcast, sharing my thoughts and my ideas.
00:00:55.060 This is a bittersweet moment. I'll remember my first podcast with you.
00:00:59.780 I'll remember my final podcast with you.
00:01:01.860 That's right. This all started, for those who don't know, Larry Brock a little while ago
00:01:07.060 announced that he will be stepping down as Member of Parliament for Brantford Brant South
00:01:12.100 in about a month or so, a little less than a month.
00:01:14.100 It came to a shock as many, because you have developed such an amazing following.
00:01:20.820 And in just a few moments, we're going to get to the best of the Brockinator, the best of Larry Brock.
00:01:26.500 We have some clips coming up, so stick around for that.
00:01:30.580 But yeah, you came on the show and you just got appointed, I think, to the Justice Portfolio?
00:01:37.860 No, no, it was before that.
00:01:40.500 In fact, it was myself and Glenn Motz, you wanted to get just a bit of a review and a catch-up
00:01:47.940 on the work we were doing on the Emergencies Act Joint Committee.
00:01:52.180 Your memory is way better than mine.
00:01:53.540 Yeah, and you just wanted an update on what we thought about the various issues that were
00:01:59.380 circulating and, you know, summarizing some of the evidence that we had heard and the overall
00:02:04.660 position that we were taking on the committee. So that's how it started. And from there,
00:02:09.700 then we were just branding more justice-related issues. And of course, when I did get the
00:02:16.500 honour of a lifetime to become the Shadow Minister for Justice and the Attorney General some two
00:02:21.860 and a half years ago, I spent a number of occasions on your show talking about a lot of issues that
00:02:27.700 are near and dear to Canadians right now. And quite frankly, that still exists to this day.
00:02:33.540 So hopefully we'll have a chance to talk about, in my view, how C14 and C16 are still failing Canadians.
00:02:42.180 Alright, so I'm gonna ask you, we're gonna play the best of, we're gonna ask you kind of what's next,
00:02:47.300 what kind of drove you to make this decision, because it was difficult, let's not kid ourselves.
00:02:53.140 But first, let's keep on that path you're talking about now.
00:02:56.740 This summer, if anyone's following Larry's social media, you probably saw Larry at events
00:03:04.020 all around the country, still pushing that message that the Liberals are weak on crime,
00:03:11.620 their justice reforms just aren't doing what they say they hope to accomplish.
00:03:17.380 Correct. I made a promise to Pierre when I had these difficult conversations with him,
00:03:21.620 when I announced that I was retiring, I said, this does not mean I am going to be a sitting duck,
00:03:28.400 a lame duck, not doing anything. I will continue to tout our conservative message on being tough
00:03:35.240 on crime, our law and order agenda, and to highlight the significant weaknesses and shortfalls
00:03:41.300 of the marquee pieces of crime legislation, criminal legislation that the liberals keep
00:03:48.280 bragging about the C-14 and the C-16.
00:03:52.040 All right, we have a couple of graphics here just showing, you know,
00:03:56.780 indoor play zone that children are located in, getting gunshots.
00:04:03.500 And we've shown videos.
00:04:05.000 You know, you've been on the show so many times, as you mentioned,
00:04:07.940 all very special, but we've had the shootings where someone was firing
00:04:12.960 a handgun outside a home on video for all to see.
00:04:16.720 And this has not stopped at all.
00:04:20.260 There's been zero abatement since those two bills were passed.
00:04:26.460 Mark Carney promised, promised Canadians, once he got elected leader, leading up to the 25 campaign,
00:04:34.800 during the 25 campaign, the throne speech that we heard from King Charles,
00:04:39.440 and of course, all of the announcements in the House of Commons leading up to the fall of 2025,
00:04:45.720 when they finally introduced their first piece of so-called criminal legislation, C9, the controversial C9.
00:04:54.220 Then we had to wait several months later for C14 and then C16.
00:04:58.100 And since its passage, we've heard from Mark Carney, we've heard from Sean Fraser, the Justice Minister,
00:05:03.780 that these are game changers.
00:05:05.660 This is exactly what Canadians had asked them to do.
00:05:09.040 I keep going on to these town halls.
00:05:10.840 I've been on so many town halls, I've lost track right across this country.
00:05:14.760 and I keep preaching the same message.
00:05:17.340 This message is twofold.
00:05:19.240 The number one responsibility for a federal government is to keep us safe.
00:05:24.040 In my view, for the last 11 years, this liberal government has been derelict in that responsibility.
00:05:30.300 And secondly, when it comes to criminal justice, when it comes to community safety and victim safety,
00:05:37.840 it's not a partisan issue.
00:05:39.240 It should never be a partisan issue.
00:05:42.180 But you have seen, Jamie, you've been a parliamentarian for a number of years.
00:05:45.920 I've been a parliamentarian for five years.
00:05:48.660 It very much is a partisan issue.
00:05:51.720 Because if it wasn't a partisan issue, all of our common sense conservative amendments
00:05:57.520 to improve C9, 14, and 16 would have received unanimous support.
00:06:04.740 It wasn't, look, we are better in terms of administering justice.
00:06:08.360 It was, look how we are going to improve the tools that the Canadian police agencies have
00:06:16.440 across this country to better deal with the apprehension of offenders and keeping them
00:06:22.420 behind closed doors, but strengthening our sentencing measures and sending finally the
00:06:28.900 appropriate message that this Liberal government has been delivering for the last 11 years.
00:06:34.760 The message that actually crime does pay in this country.
00:06:39.140 We want to reverse that message.
00:06:40.920 We want to send a deterrent message that there are going to be significant consequences
00:06:45.980 when you engage in this reckless, dangerous, violent behavior.
00:06:50.880 And all of our amendments that were rejected by the Liberal members of the Justice Committee
00:06:56.580 were designed to do exactly that.
00:06:58.900 Even looking back in time, I go back even to the 90s, right?
00:07:04.060 There was always the charge, if you will, or the discussion of how tough the Liberals really were on crime, right?
00:07:13.260 There was always that discussion, maybe you should do more.
00:07:16.820 But for the most part, until Justin Trudeau showed up, we all kind of agreed that people who use a firearm to commit a crime should go to jail.
00:07:25.520 Yes.
00:07:25.800 They shouldn't get house arrest.
00:07:26.900 Yes.
00:07:27.180 People, scumbags like Paul Bernardo should be kept in maximum security and be rotting
00:07:35.000 away till the end of time.
00:07:36.720 If a notorious serial killer like Paul Bernardo is not in a maximum security prison, then why
00:07:44.940 do we have maximum security prisons to begin with?
00:07:47.460 Yeah, it doesn't get any worse than him.
00:07:48.740 It truly doesn't.
00:07:49.740 Yeah.
00:07:50.740 And so we all kind of agreed that was the case, right?
00:07:52.900 conservatives, I think NDPs, but we all agreed. That's what we need to do. Then Justin Trudeau
00:07:59.140 shows up and slowly starts to erode what our criminal justice system provided for 150 plus
00:08:06.500 years. And now we're at the point where you commit a crime, you're out on the street. There's no
00:08:11.940 consequences. Hardcore criminals are getting brought down to medium, to minimum. To your
00:08:18.100 point, what is the point of jail if they're not being kept there? It's prioritizing the comfort,
00:08:25.420 the freedom, and the security of the accused person at the expense of community and Canadian
00:08:32.340 safety. And it seems to be- There's no balance. There's absolutely zero balance in our justice
00:08:37.760 system. When I was a Crown prior to my election, prior to 2015, when I was in the trenches,
00:08:44.020 working in bail court, working in plea court, working in trial courts.
00:08:49.260 There was an equal emphasis on the protection of charter rights,
00:08:54.440 ensuring that there was a fair trial for the accused,
00:08:57.720 but also meaningful consequences,
00:09:00.480 and also highlighting the protection of the community and the victim.
00:09:04.300 There was a balance.
00:09:05.800 That balance was completely disrupted,
00:09:09.000 and we have an unequal system right now
00:09:12.540 where criminals receive the most, victims' community safety receive the less.
00:09:17.600 And it's unbelievable. There's another one, right?
00:09:21.740 This is... I can't even just fathom what is happening here.
00:09:27.280 So we have an accused child molester out on bail and doing the same thing he was arrested for in the first place.
00:09:33.100 Sean Fraser promised that this was going to end,
00:09:36.540 that those dangerous, repeat violent offenders were going to be housed,
00:09:41.880 were going to be basically detained in custody,
00:09:45.000 prevented from victimizing the community again through C-14.
00:09:49.080 And this is what several examples I have seen since the passage of C-14
00:09:54.200 that is showing the complete opposite.
00:09:56.540 Nothing has changed, Jamie, just as I predicted,
00:09:59.900 because the principle of restraint is alive and well,
00:10:04.120 which mandates to all judges and JPs who hear bail applications,
00:10:08.060 you must release the accused at the earliest opportunity on the least restrictive conditions.
00:10:14.660 We asked for that complete removal.
00:10:17.480 In fact, all of our policies leading up to the 25 campaign and beyond, we will do exactly that.
00:10:24.100 We will repeal the principle of restraint that was codified in Bill C-75 in 2019.
00:10:30.200 Yeah, absolutely.
00:10:30.840 And we even talked about it in previous shows, when the Liberals again changed how the law was to be implemented.
00:10:41.380 Drug dealers getting arrested, out on bail or house arrest.
00:10:46.840 So what better place to sell more drugs is your house?
00:10:49.860 Well, let's face it, where do you think they sell drugs to begin with?
00:10:53.720 Well, exactly. So they're playing video games selling drugs.
00:10:55.420 Do they pick up the local real estate agent and say, look, I want a brick-and-mortar facility on Main Street so I can sell drugs?
00:11:02.780 Come on.
00:11:03.700 This is what I was explaining to the government of the day, what I was explaining to the Justice Minister.
00:11:10.380 Why on earth would you send a message that crime does pay, particularly drug trafficking, by the removal of all mandatory minimum penalties?
00:11:19.860 And then allowing, as you say, conditional sentences to be normalized.
00:11:24.400 OK?
00:11:25.400 So to allow that offender to go back to his parents' house, his parents' basement, his
00:11:30.120 front porch, his front yard, his backyard, and to continue to sell drugs, they made it
00:11:35.400 too easy.
00:11:36.400 And my fear is, as I look, just even outside in Ottawa, right, or even in any community
00:11:43.720 you kind of drive by, Vancouver, I don't know if it's been too long, it just becomes normal.
00:11:49.840 Yes.
00:11:50.840 the problem, that's my fear, that Canadians just have accepted this. They forgot what it was like
00:11:55.880 in 2015 and prior. This is the new normal and they're just, maybe you were a teenager or even
00:12:04.680 in your 11, 12 and now you're coming of age and this is just normal for you. They don't remember
00:12:11.480 how clean and safe the streets were prior to. No, and that's what we're going to do when we get
00:12:15.480 get elected. When we get elected under the leadership of the next great Prime Minister,
00:12:21.240 Pierre Polyev, and our amazing team, including yourself.
00:12:25.560 Well, I can't wait for that to happen because there's a lot of work and a lot of mess to
00:12:29.540 clean up on behalf. So you were amazing coming on this show at the beginning. We're going to get
00:12:35.560 in the best of. All right, we'll try not to get... this is going to be tough talking about this.
00:12:41.920 You know, you came on early on, as you said, to talk about the Emergencies Act, right?
00:12:45.200 That was something you prosecuted with others.
00:12:47.440 And there's a whole atmosphere out there that kept pushing because they knew they were right.
00:12:51.840 And turns out we were right all along, right?
00:12:55.440 And where have we heard that phrase?
00:12:57.200 Conservatives were right all along.
00:13:00.880 From the carbon tax to all kinds of measures that we were preaching about,
00:13:05.760 literally since I was elected in 2021, we were right all along.
00:13:10.480 The inflation crisis that was going to happen.
00:13:12.640 You pump all this new currency.
00:13:14.960 The housing crisis.
00:13:16.020 The housing crisis.
00:13:17.320 The economy.
00:13:18.560 Hey, wouldn't it be great to build pipelines now?
00:13:21.100 Yeah.
00:13:22.000 So to prepare and wean ourselves off the states if something could happen.
00:13:25.260 We always believed that there was a business case to export our LNG.
00:13:29.540 So did a bunch of world leaders.
00:13:31.420 Except the liberal government, of course.
00:13:32.920 Except the liberal government.
00:13:33.560 Right?
00:13:33.660 And it's amazing.
00:13:34.620 They create the problem and perpetuate that they are, I guess perpetuate,
00:13:38.920 but they claim to be the people that can solve this problem.
00:13:43.220 They're the ones that created this.
00:13:44.500 Created the problem in the first place.
00:13:45.160 Had we had a pipeline to the East Coast, to the West Coast,
00:13:48.300 we would have been in so much better shape now.
00:13:51.900 And we need more Canadians to wake up to that reality.
00:13:56.780 So all of your listeners out there, please do us a favor.
00:14:02.260 Do our party a favor.
00:14:03.860 Please, share this podcast, share this message with all your friends, neighbours, acquaintances.
00:14:11.560 We need to spread the message that the only hope that this country has to get it right to get us back on track,
00:14:18.160 particularly on the justice field, is to elect a Conservative government led by Pierre Polyev.
00:14:24.500 That is the answer. That is the solution.
00:14:27.020 I could not agree with you more.
00:14:28.380 All right, we have your, sorry Larry, we have your resignation letter that we're going to throw up here.
00:14:32.820 Bittersweet, my friend.
00:14:33.660 Bittersweet.
00:14:34.660 Totally bittersweet.
00:14:36.660 September 18th, I'm sure people are wrong.
00:14:39.420 I labored for 36 hours in wordsmithing that statement.
00:14:46.040 That's how tough it was to write.
00:14:47.780 Yeah, I can imagine.
00:14:49.420 Yeah.
00:14:50.420 Yeah, I can imagine.
00:14:51.540 And so September 18th, that means you will not be taking your seat in Parliament when...
00:14:55.540 I will not be taking my seat when we return on the 21st.
00:14:59.440 In fact, coincidentally, the 21st, I report back to my old office.
00:15:04.100 The office that I left in, I think it was April of 2021, when I took my leave of absence, to start knocking on doors.
00:15:13.740 Long before the writ was dropped.
00:15:15.660 It wasn't dropped until August, but I was already knocking on doors.
00:15:19.420 Yeah, and you've done a remarkable job.
00:15:21.600 Well, listen, I said to myself, I had to step away.
00:15:25.840 Maybe I haven't shared this story with you.
00:15:27.620 I was frustrated as a crown attorney, frustrated that I knew bad liberal policy, bad liberal legislation was making things so much easier, so much nicer for criminals at the expense of community safety.
00:15:42.200 I saw the frustration on the faces of all my justice participants.
00:15:46.260 I saw the frustration with judges who had to follow what the Liberal government was touting,
00:15:51.020 particularly when it comes to the principle of restraint in bail court,
00:15:54.000 when it came to some sentencing measures that did not provide, in my view, the necessary deterrence.
00:16:01.460 And I just said to myself, if I can't be a voice of change from within,
00:16:06.060 because I was, let's face it, I was pretty well muted as a public servant for the Ontario government.
00:16:12.200 If I can't change from within, be an agent of change on the outside, become a legislator.
00:16:19.540 Because that would be my perfect opportunity to be unmuted, to vocalize and to criticize
00:16:26.580 everything that is going wrong and to offer solutions and hopefully work collaboratively.
00:16:31.980 How many times have we heard that phrase?
00:16:33.720 Mark Carney wants to work collaboratively with opposition members.
00:16:37.480 I can't remember the last time Mark Carney approached me or Sean Fraser approached me
00:16:42.200 and wanted to work collaboratively when it came to my solutions for good amendments, right?
00:16:47.720 It's all talk.
00:16:48.680 It's all announcement.
00:16:49.600 No follow through.
00:16:50.960 But I wanted this opportunity and I really latched on.
00:16:54.740 I welcomed the opportunity to become a strong voice within our party.
00:17:00.460 I believe I had been a strong voice, a strong proponent for change.
00:17:05.300 It's given me opportunities of advocacy that I never thought, I never dreamed of.
00:17:11.200 I would have the opportunity of speaking to thousands of individuals from across this country,
00:17:16.780 being able to pick up the phone and speaking to police chiefs right across the country,
00:17:21.920 having a cell number for the commissioner of the RCMP, being on a first-name basis with someone like that,
00:17:29.800 communicating with provincial and territorial attorney generals.
00:17:33.180 It really has been the job of a lifetime.
00:17:37.580 And I will cherish this experience for all of my remaining days.
00:17:42.140 It's truly been an honour of a lifetime.
00:17:43.820 Well, you built up an amazing following, I've got to tell you.
00:17:47.340 Because it was the hard work that you talked about, you just mentioned.
00:17:49.740 It was that hard work, that grind that you kept doing day to day.
00:17:53.740 But it wasn't, you know, your work in the house, your questions, your speeches really were great.
00:17:59.740 But I think where you really gained a massive following was your work in committee,
00:18:04.780 the committee clips. I think that was where you exposed a whole bunch, and we have a few clips.
00:18:09.180 And I kind of have an idea where you're going with these clips, but I want to just offer this
00:18:13.900 as a perspective to our viewers. You can take the prosecutor out of the courtroom,
00:18:21.580 but you can't take him out of the politician. I have a certain style and I've demanded from day one,
00:18:28.780 transparency, accountability. I ask a relevant question, I want an answer.
00:18:35.420 And you know what? You'll see that coming through in these clips. And I remember saying,
00:18:40.540 when you first came on the show and you were newly elected and I was kind of getting to know you,
00:18:45.580 I said that stare that you gave people in committee was, I called it the Dave Stewart,
00:18:51.820 because I remember Dave Stewart, he was pitching for the Blue Jays at the time, he was in Oakland
00:18:55.580 and a bunch of other teams.
00:18:56.580 Yes, I remember Dave Stewart.
00:18:57.580 That stare, the way he stared down the batter,
00:18:59.580 it was almost like you were intimidated
00:19:00.580 just as you got in the batter's box, right?
00:19:02.580 You just looked up and you saw that, oh my goodness.
00:19:04.580 You did the same thing.
00:19:06.580 You just kind of stare at people.
00:19:08.580 I'm going to get to the bottom of this story, right?
00:19:12.580 People say, why aren't you smiling enough?
00:19:15.580 And I do smile.
00:19:16.580 You're the friendliest guy I know.
00:19:18.580 I like to think I am a friendly guy,
00:19:20.580 but when I'm in this role, I'm in the zone.
00:19:24.580 the zone, okay? And just like I was as a prosecutor and will be again as a
00:19:28.960 prosecutor, you don't want a smiling, happy-go-lucky prosecutor. You got a job
00:19:34.000 to do, right? Your job is not to secure a conviction, that's the job of, that's not
00:19:39.400 the job of a Crown prosecutor, it's to ensure a fair trial that all the
00:19:44.740 evidence that you have received from police services is properly and legally
00:19:49.780 presented. And you did that quite well. Alright, we're gonna cue up the best of.
00:19:53.500 We got it down to, I think, three.
00:19:55.180 There's so many.
00:19:55.880 There's so many.
00:19:56.720 Okay, this one, this is cut one.
00:19:58.860 I believe this is the two Randys, okay?
00:20:01.680 The two Randys.
00:20:02.500 This is one of, one Randys, a business partner.
00:20:07.080 Yep.
00:20:07.460 And there's, this all started when it turned out Randy Boissoneau, the former minister
00:20:14.360 and member of parliament for Edmonton Centre, seemed to be doing business while he was a
00:20:20.220 member and a minister and wasn't declaring it. So there were some questions, right? But we were
00:20:26.240 trying to figure out who this other Randy is. So the other Randy. And quite frankly, as a cabinet
00:20:30.820 minister, you're absolutely, there's a prohibition on you having a managerial or administrative role
00:20:39.240 in any corporate entity. Exactly. And this was the scandal. This was the scandal. Now, for those
00:20:44.780 listening and watching, cut. The last one is amazing. You got to stick with this. All right.
00:20:49.880 Play, cut, one. The only one that's lying right now is you. And I'm trying to understand why you
00:20:57.460 insist on continuing to lie to protect Minister Boissoneau, other than some perhaps financial
00:21:04.760 arrangement between the two of you. That $500,000 that you pocketed, you had no intention of
00:21:12.600 delivering the goods you gave back what ten thousand dollars of that you've never paid it
00:21:18.320 back have you that five hundred thousand dollars so you're you're mistaken when you pay it back
00:21:24.240 you're mistaken when you say it's not a yes or no answer okay i'll move on how much of that five
00:21:29.720 hundred thousand went to randy bossano zero zero yes so the auto correct whose name were you trying
00:21:37.380 to say that either your apple device or your samsung device was changing to randy who are
00:21:44.140 you trying to say that was a partner you were referring to an individual that worked in our
00:21:50.560 office no sir no you referenced a partner okay you've identified already you only had one partner
00:21:57.840 in your lifetime with ghi that is bossano who were you trying to say who was the other partner
00:22:06.440 named Randy. Quickly, Mr. Anderson, if you can. It was not Randy Boissoneau. The other Randy
00:22:11.880 mystery. So to put some meat on that particular thing, that $500,000. So this Anderson and
00:22:19.620 Boissoneau, before he got re-elected in, I believe, 21, because he was elected in 15, he lost in 19.
00:22:28.640 So he started a personal protection equipment company with Anderson.
00:22:34.400 That $500,000 was a down payment from a customer in California.
00:22:42.780 That Anderson was putting pressure on this customer to pay the money.
00:22:47.080 Give me my deposit.
00:22:48.400 They transferred $500,000 to Anderson.
00:22:52.940 And Anderson and Boissoneau didn't pay it back.
00:22:56.600 As you heard, they were paid back $10,000, so they were sued.
00:23:01.220 So there's still a cloud of suspicion around Boissoneau's involvement.
00:23:08.080 Probably no small surprise that he chose not to run for re-election in 2025.
00:23:14.400 I don't know if he had a choice.
00:23:15.620 Given the heat, or probably had no choice, right?
00:23:18.040 But yeah, that was quite the scandal at the time.
00:23:21.360 Where is Randy?
00:23:22.660 Who is Randy?
00:23:23.420 Who is Randy?
00:23:24.340 The two Randys.
00:23:25.080 It was amazing. You know, I'm shocked we don't have any clips of you and Christy Freeland,
00:23:30.200 the finance minister. I wish you had that. I know, they were so good.
00:23:33.720 That's what started it, was my exchange with Freeland during that Emergencies Act
00:23:38.060 committee hearing. Do you care to reflect on that answer or something? And she, of course,
00:23:43.780 did what she does best and never answers. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, you're right. That kind of
00:23:48.640 elevated. Just also the absurdity of what the Liberals were trying to sell to Canadians too.
00:23:54.580 It was a national emergency, right?
00:23:58.060 That there was crimes going on and, you know, all heck was breaking loose.
00:24:04.100 Meanwhile, there were bouncy castles, there were musical concerts, there were free community barbecues.
00:24:13.340 You know, it was the complete opposite of what the Liberals were trying to sell.
00:24:16.580 Yeah, and it was foreign funded.
00:24:18.180 That was a bunch of BS.
00:24:20.160 Like, it just went on and on and on.
00:24:21.880 And Christia, of course, Christia Freeland, the finance minister at the time, was just caught up in that.
00:24:27.340 OK, number two, we have McKinsey.
00:24:30.540 All right, McKinsey is a consulting firm that works all across the globe, but it's kind of done in the shadows.
00:24:37.360 You know what I mean?
00:24:37.840 Like many consulting groups have their names proudly on buildings and, you know, logos that you can recognize and ways you can find them.
00:24:47.760 McKinsey is kind of this one that works in the shadows, but has their tentacles everywhere.
00:24:53.280 Kind of sounds familiar to what's existing in Canada right now. Not really McKinsey, but
00:24:59.120 I think the company's called Brookfield. Something like that.
00:25:01.280 Something like that. That has his tentacles all over the country.
00:25:04.960 Yeah, but move their head office to New York.
00:25:07.360 Yes, yes. All right, let's queue up cut two. This is the Brockinator
00:25:12.160 Going against sole source contracting dealing with McKinsey, play cut two.
00:25:18.440 Favouring one particular company, allowing them to egregiously break the procurement rules
00:25:25.900 in non-compliance of numerous statutes, numerous regulations, numerous policies.
00:25:34.200 And in fact, the PSPC themselves published a document calling
00:25:38.400 doing business with the government of canada where they highlight openness transparency and
00:25:43.860 accountability and all those circumstances do you not see a low threshold case of making out
00:25:51.800 that the government of canada through the pspc and other departments are defrauding a taxpayer
00:25:58.540 by favoring mckinsey over other legitimate vendors but an argument not be made sir
00:26:06.560 And that I have to ask to be a yes or no, because we're out of time.
00:26:12.020 Could an argument be made?
00:26:13.760 Yes.
00:26:14.300 Did we see it?
00:26:15.340 No.
00:26:17.880 So that was its own little scandal going on.
00:26:20.720 Of course.
00:26:21.700 It is one of so many.
00:26:23.000 There were so many.
00:26:23.800 It was actually hard to narrow down to three.
00:26:25.500 That really for me was the year, particularly the summer of 2024,
00:26:32.000 where I was chasing scandal after scandal.
00:26:35.080 At one point, I was on five different committees.
00:26:37.840 Yes, you were.
00:26:38.280 In addition to my home committee of the Ethics Committee.
00:26:41.140 And in fact, that summer, I pretty much came to Ottawa every single week because we had summer meetings.
00:26:46.360 You did.
00:26:46.740 I loved it.
00:26:47.660 I absolutely loved it.
00:26:48.640 Liberals hated it, used every opportunity to shut us down.
00:26:51.840 But we wanted to keep that conversation alive.
00:26:54.860 And because it was a minority parliament, we could have those.
00:26:57.060 Continue to prosecute them.
00:26:58.140 Yeah, continue to prosecute.
00:26:59.020 Yeah, we never let our foot off the gas.
00:27:00.680 Absolutely not.
00:27:01.360 Yeah, it was one after the other, and it was just steamrolling at that point.
00:27:05.240 Everything was coming.
00:27:07.620 It's kind of amazing.
00:27:08.920 Canadians gave them another chance.
00:27:09.640 But for many, many people and many fans and many of my colleagues, including yourself, Jamie,
00:27:14.580 the next clip is probably one of the best intervention that I've ever had
00:27:22.380 because it really wasn't scripted.
00:27:24.380 It was very organic, and that's really the key, the key to an effective cross-examination.
00:27:30.760 even in the legal setting or in a parliamentary committee setting, is to listen, to listen very carefully to what a witness says,
00:27:40.320 because quite often that gives you the best recourse to land that just deadly blow just to catch them off guard.
00:27:49.280 And this highlights it very, very well.
00:27:51.060 It really does. And just to the point of the work you're doing, I remember when all of this, including the next clip,
00:27:58.180 was happening and it was live and it was fresh and everyone's minds.
00:28:02.000 I remember going to events and people saying, who's Randy?
00:28:05.000 Which Randy is it?
00:28:06.080 But the next one.
00:28:07.160 Yes.
00:28:07.660 The next one.
00:28:08.440 So, you know, my area is just outside of Toronto.
00:28:11.960 It's called Cottage Country.
00:28:12.940 Cottage Country, yes.
00:28:13.920 So there was a lot of, you're going to see right now,
00:28:16.420 why it has become Chalet Country.
00:28:18.660 Absolutely.
00:28:19.480 All right.
00:28:19.940 Cue up, cut three.
00:28:21.220 Play, cut three.
00:28:22.540 What I can't understand is why you would deliberately lie to this committee
00:28:28.000 on a very innocent question
00:28:31.080 that was put to you by my colleague, Mr. Barrett,
00:28:35.040 when he asked you if you knew whether or not
00:28:37.660 Mr. Cameron MacDonald from the CBSA had a cottage.
00:28:41.820 And you said no.
00:28:44.520 Do you know
00:28:45.460 if Cameron MacDonald has a cottage?
00:28:52.320 I don't know if Cameron MacDonald has a cottage.
00:28:54.500 Do you know if he had one?
00:28:55.660 i do not know if he had a cottage do you want to reflect on that answer
00:29:01.900 yeah mr um mcdonald has never referred to it as a cottage it's a chalet it's not a cottage
00:29:09.940 full for that clarification mr firth
00:29:18.420 are you kidding me
00:29:23.140 Okay, that is probably the number one for sure.
00:29:30.900 Yes.
00:29:31.900 I think your reaction, hands up.
00:29:33.900 That's so me.
00:29:34.900 Yeah.
00:29:35.900 I was gobsmacked.
00:29:36.900 Absolutely gobsmacked.
00:29:37.900 I think everyone was.
00:29:38.900 You heard everyone laughing in the background.
00:29:39.900 That there was a difference in his mind between a cottage and a chalet.
00:29:43.900 Yes.
00:29:44.900 We're from chalet country, not cottage country.
00:29:45.900 Yeah, maybe given his European background, maybe where that's coming from, I don't know.
00:29:50.740 But that individual, Mr. Firth, had a really hard time defending his actions during that
00:29:59.740 particular scandal.
00:30:01.240 So much so that we actually forced him to answer in the House of Commons.
00:30:07.680 Well, tens of billions of dollars spent on an app.
00:30:09.980 He was called to the bar.
00:30:11.420 And he still continued to obfuscate and not respond to our legitimate questions.
00:30:17.500 Yes, he hit, in my view, the proverbial taxpayer lottery, receiving upwards to $19 million for doing nothing more than connecting the government of Canada with a third-party resource.
00:30:36.620 He was the middle person that connected the two together.
00:30:39.820 Never mind that the Government of Canada is flushed with public servants, qualified public
00:30:47.480 servants who could have made that connection on their own.
00:30:51.640 Little Google search.
00:30:52.640 Yeah, Google works.
00:30:53.640 Google search would have done it.
00:30:54.640 You can't go through a phone book anymore, but hey, they've got the tools.
00:30:59.060 Hell, my 16, 17-year-old girls can do that.
00:31:02.320 There's a million websites in the Government of Canada.
00:31:04.420 Precisely.
00:31:05.420 Everyone can do it, but we found this government of Canada, this liberal, this corrupt, unethical,
00:31:12.100 liberal government found a reason to enrich that individual and his partner to the tune
00:31:17.740 of $19 million for doing nothing but making a connection.
00:31:22.400 And a bunch of people did it over the weekend with pizza and a few cold ones, and they did
00:31:26.660 it for, what, $250,000 or less?
00:31:28.700 Right, right.
00:31:29.700 And according to the Auditor General, we think it's around $80 million, but she suspects
00:31:33.140 It's a lot more because of the shoddy, non-existent paperwork.
00:31:37.040 That's insane.
00:31:37.540 Just the disrespect for taxpayers' voice.
00:31:38.940 Absolutely.
00:31:39.540 It's unbelievable.
00:31:40.600 Larry, we went super long, but that's okay, because this is a special episode of the product.
00:31:45.600 I enjoyed it.
00:31:46.440 Yeah, I did too.
00:31:47.280 Yes.
00:31:47.640 It was so nice of you to agree to come on one more time.
00:31:51.200 As a thank you, we're going to let you keep your coffee mug.
00:31:53.820 Thank you.
00:31:54.440 I've only been asking for this for the last five years.
00:31:56.960 We're good people.
00:31:57.800 My own personal mug.
00:31:59.820 I will use this.
00:32:01.880 I will think of you.
00:32:03.140 I will think of my colleagues, I will think of our great leader every day when I'm using this in the Crown Office.
00:32:08.640 We're going to miss you, Larry. You did such a great job.
00:32:12.180 And you and I were seatmates for a bit of time, just towards the end.
00:32:16.380 We were right next to each other, right beside each other.
00:32:20.140 It's been a fantastic opportunity to get to know you, to watch you develop as a parliamentarian.
00:32:28.100 Yeah, you've just been a great inspiration, a great leader for us in caucus.
00:32:31.800 Because your knowledge of the law speaks for itself and the way you could foresee things happening, right?
00:32:39.380 Like a good coach does when you're looking at a playing field, right?
00:32:42.600 Like you saw things and you knew things weren't right.
00:32:44.900 So many steps ahead.
00:32:45.940 Yeah, you were always...
00:32:47.580 And as your earlier clips demonstrated, okay, my projections are coming true.
00:32:53.280 Yeah.
00:32:53.760 This country is not getting safer.
00:32:56.620 It's basically status quo, if not getting worse.
00:33:00.040 Yes, unfortunately.
00:33:01.120 Unfortunately.
00:33:02.120 Yeah.
00:33:03.120 And we want the best for Canada.
00:33:04.120 That's why a good opposition keeps pushing, keeps questioning, keeps challenging the government
00:33:09.120 to do better.
00:33:10.120 Our constitutional obligation.
00:33:11.120 Absolutely.
00:33:12.120 And that's not a bad thing.
00:33:13.120 Jamie, it's been an absolute pleasure, my friend.
00:33:15.120 I will call you my friend, okay?
00:33:17.120 A lifetime friend.
00:33:18.120 This will not be the last time you see it.
00:33:20.120 I hope not.
00:33:21.120 Better not be.
00:33:22.120 But you know, the guests get the last word as we close it out.
00:33:24.120 See if you can get through this.
00:33:26.120 The floor is yours.
00:33:28.960 I'll repeat what I said earlier.
00:33:31.920 This has been the privilege and the honor of my lifetime
00:33:37.140 to get to know fine, distinguished representatives,
00:33:43.440 leaders of this country, such as yourself,
00:33:46.160 our amazing caucus, our amazing leader,
00:33:49.280 our conservative team,
00:33:51.380 the people working behind the scenes here
00:33:53.320 in our broadcast studio.
00:33:55.360 We just had an amazing, amazing group of people.
00:33:59.640 We are definitely a party ready to lead.
00:34:04.700 It's a bittersweet moment, Jamie.
00:34:07.100 And I can't come up with a good line to say goodbye.
00:34:12.360 I don't want to use the word goodbye because I never say never.
00:34:16.780 I'm pausing my journey as a parliamentarian.
00:34:21.440 I want to continue the fight to rebalance our criminal justice system from within.
00:34:28.760 I want to be a conduit of information back to you and to our leader and to the party
00:34:33.900 about where things need to be tweaked, reporting on the ineffectiveness of C9 and 14 and 16
00:34:42.380 and other pieces of criminal legislation I'm sure that the government will be introducing.
00:34:48.240 But I also want to say thank you to the people of Brantford, Brant South.
00:34:54.160 They have been an amazing, amazing group of individuals.
00:34:57.280 Again, an honor and privilege of a lifetime to be their leader, their voice in Ottawa.
00:35:03.620 I want to sincerely thank everyone who placed their trust in me.
00:35:08.840 But most importantly, Jamie, the number one priority in my life is my family.
00:35:13.780 My wife of 24 years, marriage, Angela, my daughters, my twin daughters, Jenny and Emma, have been anchors, have been my support, have been with me on this journey of self-development.
00:35:30.500 This was always a goal of mine to enter the political field.
00:35:34.940 The opportunity came and I certainly, I squeezed every last particle of juice from that proverbial orange.
00:35:44.620 And I will forever be grateful for that opportunity.
00:35:47.300 But they were my support.
00:35:48.700 I'm going back to that support.
00:35:51.020 And I just want to say thank you.
00:35:52.940 Thank you to Canadians.
00:35:53.800 Thank you.
00:35:54.560 Thank you for allowing me to be a leader when it came to criminal justice issues.
00:36:00.500 I will continue to be that leader, albeit in a more local, centralized function.
00:36:06.420 But I never say never.
00:36:08.120 I may come back again in a different format.
00:36:11.140 You never know Jamie.
00:36:12.540 But I do want to say thank you.
00:36:14.320 Thank you for our friendship.
00:36:15.760 Thank you for the opportunities you've given me.
00:36:18.220 It's been an honor.
00:36:19.240 Thank you, Larry.
00:36:20.020 Thank you for everything.
00:36:20.820 Such a leader you are.
00:36:21.780 And what a classy guy.
00:36:22.900 Thank you.
00:36:23.220 We're going to miss you a lot, Larry.
00:36:24.600 Thank you, sir.
00:36:25.040 Best of luck going back to the prosecution service.
00:36:27.780 I wouldn't want to be an accused person.
00:36:29.860 I'll never see you.
00:36:30.760 I'll never see you in my car home.
00:36:32.380 It's a fair try.
00:36:32.980 You better not.
00:36:34.360 If you do, go easy on me.
00:36:36.320 I've done something really bad or really stupid.
00:36:39.320 Larry Brock, thank you very much.
00:36:40.780 Larry Brock, Member of Parliament for Brantford, Brant South.
00:36:45.180 Thank you for your time as always.
00:36:46.860 Wish you best of luck.
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