The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - August 25, 2026


Liberals are cutting critical agricultural research


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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your
00:00:07.740 host, Jamie Schmael, member of Parliament for Halliburton-Cawortha Lakes, with new content for
00:00:11.660 you every single Tuesday, 1.30 p.m. Eastern Time, even throughout the summer. Don't forget to like,
00:00:16.700 comment, subscribe, and share this program. On today's show, we are talking about the state
00:00:21.460 of agriculture in Canada. In fact, we're going to deep dive into the Liberals' anti-science cuts
00:00:28.300 that they're undertaking in the agriculture sector.
00:00:31.140 To talk about this and so much more,
00:00:33.080 we bring on Jeremy Patser,
00:00:34.600 the Member of Parliament from Saskatchewan.
00:00:36.320 The riding is Swift Current, Grasslands Kindersley.
00:00:39.500 Thanks for coming on the show.
00:00:40.640 Yeah, thanks for having me, Jamie.
00:00:41.620 Really appreciate it.
00:00:42.420 Especially this issue, right?
00:00:44.160 We go to the grocery stores.
00:00:46.760 Canadians can definitely notice the sticker change here.
00:00:50.400 They're getting in shock here.
00:00:51.560 The price of agriculture is going up.
00:00:54.420 We need to, I think, have a whole new approach on this.
00:00:58.100 I think that's granted based on the fact that we're opposing pretty much everything the government's doing.
00:01:03.040 But now the government is saying, well, we're going to shut down a bunch of research centers that look into how we can grow food in certain conditions and a whole bunch of other things.
00:01:15.520 Yeah, it's just a completely backwards approach to it.
00:01:18.180 And you touched on that and I'll mention, you know, we've got the Indian Head Station being closed down, the Scott Research Station in my riding being shut down.
00:01:24.940 There's cuts at the Swift Current Re-Station, which is my hometown, where I live.
00:01:28.600 And other stations across the country are being impacted by this as well.
00:01:31.980 And the way that they're set up, there's different soil types, different soil zones there.
00:01:36.260 Even just within Saskatchewan, there's many different soil types, and that's why they're spread out across the province.
00:01:40.520 So that way we can learn how certain crops, certain varieties are going to react, so that way you can grow the crops that are needed to be able to feed the world.
00:01:47.600 Yeah, so it's unbelievable that the government has decided on the research sector
00:01:53.640 when they say we need to ensure that our farmers are getting maximum potential,
00:01:59.320 which I think most of them are.
00:02:01.240 Clearly, you don't want to waste one more bit of fertilizer or anything like that.
00:02:06.240 You want to do the best, most efficient job we can,
00:02:08.820 and we need to make sure that they're profitable at the same time.
00:02:11.260 But the government has said, well, the research arm,
00:02:13.880 we're just going to slowly phase some of that out.
00:02:16.380 And I think a lot of farmers do rely on the information that is taken from the projects here.
00:02:21.980 Yeah, absolutely.
00:02:22.640 The proof of concept for what's kind of called the zero-till or low-till farming practice that is used widely across the prairies and starting to be used in other regions of the world, that was started in Saskatchewan.
00:02:34.680 And it was Saskatchewan farmers were the first ones to take it up.
00:02:38.880 But it was the research stations in Saskatchewan that were the proof of concept for it.
00:02:43.620 So that's valuable research that was done.
00:02:46.380 And it has made a huge impact on farmers in Canada and are starting to be around the world.
00:02:51.240 It's been 30, 40 years of practice already in Saskatchewan.
00:02:55.640 And again, we've seen the benefits of that for a very long time now.
00:02:58.980 And the rest of the world is now just slowly starting to catch on.
00:03:01.540 So that's just one of many great innovations that have happened at these research stations.
00:03:06.100 A few of our colleagues were out in the East Coast, drawing attention to the closure of a facility out there.
00:03:12.100 So let's queue up cut one.
00:03:13.200 We'll see our agriculture critic, John Barlow.
00:03:16.500 We have Carol Enstey from Newfoundland and Labrador and Dave Epp from Ontario.
00:03:20.540 Play cut one.
00:03:21.220 We're at Nappet Experimental Farm in Cumberland, Nova Scotia.
00:03:24.920 And over the last few days, we've been talking to farmers and producers from right across Atlantic Canada.
00:03:29.740 And they've been telling us how devastating the closure of this facility will be to food production and farming right across Atlantic Canada.
00:03:37.180 And this is important not just to farmers and producers in Nova Scotia, but also in all regions of Atlantic Canada, including Newfoundland, Labrador, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island.
00:03:48.820 The station has been here for 137 years for a reason, for its soil, for its climate.
00:03:56.120 This cannot be duplicated anywhere else.
00:03:59.140 Call your Member of Parliament.
00:04:01.120 Make your voice known.
00:04:02.720 So that research facility in Nova Scotia, 137 years of existence. It survived a whole lot of things, except this Liberal government.
00:04:12.600 Yeah, which is just crazy. They talked in the video very well about what it's doing, what it means for that particular region.
00:04:19.500 Can't be duplicated elsewhere, and that's why the specific locations of these sites are so important.
00:04:24.620 When you're able to do agriculture, when you have a smaller land base like they have out in Atlantic Canada, it just shows the real value that is happening there.
00:04:32.720 And to the farmers and producers out there and the ranchers who have been doing a tremendous job,
00:04:36.800 this is a direct shot at them when you see a station like that one in Nappan affected by this.
00:04:41.680 So let's cue up cut two.
00:04:43.820 We have Andrew Scheer talking about a facility in your home province.
00:04:47.600 You mentioned it earlier.
00:04:49.000 Play cut two.
00:04:49.860 Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
00:04:51.000 And I have yet again another petition from residents in and around the Indian Head area in southern Saskatchewan
00:04:57.880 who are urging the government to reverse its terrible decision to shut down the Indian Head Agricultural Research Farm.
00:05:05.220 This farm has over 100 years worth of data from soil conditions to moisture levels to all kinds of factors that affect the growing season.
00:05:17.040 And this centre has produced untold hundreds of millions of dollars of economic benefit, not just to the agricultural sector in Saskatchewan, but all across Canada with the valuable research that it has produced and the innovations that it has led to.
00:05:31.800 And the Liberals don't seem to care. Aren't they anti-science? It seems pretty clear to me.
00:05:36.880 Absolutely. Anti-science, once again. And that's, again, another one of these great research stations strategically located.
00:05:42.700 It's no mistake that they have a research station at Indian Head, just where it's located,
00:05:47.860 the soil type, how much rain it gets, how much sunshine it happens there.
00:05:51.460 It's strategically located so that way they can get a consistent result there with the
00:05:56.120 science and with the research that they are trying to do.
00:05:58.620 And that's one of the ones that the Liberals put on the chopping block, which is completely
00:06:01.800 shameful.
00:06:02.880 And it seems that even the farmers are doing amazing work, who doing their jobs and bless
00:06:10.440 them for everything they're doing.
00:06:11.800 but they've gone through a lot of challenges in the last few years right rules and regulations
00:06:17.900 being piled on processing capacity being stretched in certain parts of the the country Ontario
00:06:24.180 especially we've seen price fluctuations weather issues like they've gone through a lot and and
00:06:30.500 and the government really isn't doing anything to say hey you know what why don't we look at some
00:06:35.620 duplicate regulations and rules that that make it expensive or how about we take off uh the the the
00:06:41.480 carbon tax for you to give you some relief on your fuel to maybe lower the cost of doing business,
00:06:46.260 or maybe your inputs, right? Your fertilizer has gone through the roof. Maybe there's a few things
00:06:51.040 we can do here to help you out and maybe help you earn a living, but they haven't done really
00:06:55.600 anything. They've done absolutely nothing. That's exactly right. And there is lots of regulations
00:07:00.720 that they could have chose to remove, like the industrial carbon tax being one. Our colleague
00:07:04.740 from Alberta, David Bexley, has a great private members bill that's going to be designed to try
00:07:08.460 to make it easier to get new product into Canada. And with input costs at such a sky-high price as
00:07:16.340 they are now, they've never been higher. And in Saskatchewan, for example, some parts of my
00:07:20.200 area that I represent, we've had drought for pushing 10 years in some areas. It's been a
00:07:25.340 tough goal of it, but yet we're still growing crops and producing food for the world. And that
00:07:29.880 just shows the resilience that's come from being able to have reliable data and research that has
00:07:35.060 happened at these research stations, and that's gone into being able to produce drought-resistant
00:07:39.120 varieties that have been able to be a difference maker for farmers. We've seen over the years
00:07:44.780 younger farmers coming onto the trade, absolutely, but we've seen a lot of kind of older, seasoned
00:07:53.800 farmers, as you like to say it. Most of them don't ever retire. They still putter around, and they
00:07:58.740 still have a few cattle, or they grow crops here and there, but they seem to always be involved,
00:08:03.400 But especially in my area, there's been a number of farms that have not seen the younger generation come on.
00:08:09.260 And I think a lot of the issues is not only do you have to be a jack of all trades to be able to fix and know the soil and weather and all this stuff, everything.
00:08:19.260 But you also, you know, don't want to work two, three, four jobs to make ends meet, right?
00:08:25.040 Agriculture has to be able to provide a living for those doing it.
00:08:29.000 I think that's an easy thing I think we all agree on or should anyway.
00:08:32.700 way yeah absolutely and this is where the research is being able to give the farmers the tools that
00:08:38.580 they need so that way it's a lot easier for them to know and understand that okay this variety is
00:08:43.460 going to work here this variety is going to work there or maybe this one's not going to work here
00:08:46.880 because the research and the science has already been done on it so that way they know they have
00:08:51.220 that confidence that when they're going to try to grow a crop that work has already been done and
00:08:55.060 they know what they're going to get out of it and how it's going to work for them and that that's so
00:08:58.840 important especially for the next generation coming in or trying to get into farming uh that's
00:09:04.060 the last thing that they got to be worrying about is you know are the crops i'm going to try to grow
00:09:08.000 are they actually going to work right you know farming is already the biggest gamble that you
00:09:11.960 can make on a given year you're putting into the hands of mother nature to see how that's going to
00:09:16.500 work out if you're going to get the rain and the sunshine at the right time that you need
00:09:19.720 and so the last thing you need to need to be worried about is is the crop variety that i'm
00:09:23.840 going to be trying to grow is it going to work or is it not going to work and uh you know shutting
00:09:27.940 these centers down is just a terrible decision by this Liberal government. In my neck of the woods
00:09:32.460 in Ontario, we have the Alto high-speed rail project that brings a high-speed trader, maybe,
00:09:38.440 who knows, from Quebec City all the way to Toronto. But it rips through farmland all the way through,
00:09:45.140 and it cuts some farm properties in half, right, with no ability to get the other side. This has a
00:09:51.480 has a very big potential, very real potential of disrupting the lives of farmers and potentially
00:09:58.340 shutting down a lot of operations because of it. Yeah, that's going to be a massive detriment to
00:10:04.340 the farmers in your area for sure. And it's a public safety issue as well too. When you're
00:10:07.880 trying to move the big machinery that people use on farms, right? Whether visibility might be
00:10:13.840 limited when you're trying to get out onto the highway or when you're trying to cross that train
00:10:17.180 track, you're slowing traffic down, it creates traffic issues. And yeah, this just seems like
00:10:21.600 another boondoggle for the government coming its way with this new proposed Alto line. This is
00:10:25.900 going to be, and you're taking valuable farmland out of production, right? You got to look at that
00:10:31.020 as well too. This is some of the most valuable farmland we have in Canada. What you can produce
00:10:34.720 off of that is quite substantive and they're just going to take it out for what? To send people down
00:10:39.020 the train line when there's already options for people to get through those corridors. So yeah.
00:10:44.460 Yeah, exactly. Especially when we're talking about the price of groceries, right? One way to lower the price, not only have competition within the grocery field itself, we have a couple, you know, what, three big, big owners having their tentacles in every other store we have.
00:11:01.540 We could lower the price of the inputs.
00:11:03.320 You mentioned the industrial carbon tax.
00:11:05.160 We could offer more processing capacity.
00:11:07.860 We could allow the farmers to do what they do best.
00:11:10.080 But there just seem to be everywhere they look, they're hampered by rules, regulations, red tape,
00:11:14.960 that they spend a lot of time just going through paperwork and actually doing what it is we need while we grow our population.
00:11:23.940 Yeah. And how are we going to grow the next batch of food that is needed, right?
00:11:28.280 there's a chance to grow more food, I think, in this country, right? I look at in Saskatchewan,
00:11:33.220 for example, we got this great resource, the Lake Diefenbaker Dam. It's there, it was built to be
00:11:39.820 used for irrigation, and it's not being utilized at all. We have double the irrigating capacity of
00:11:45.100 Alberta, and yet they far outproduce us because they're utilizing it, and we're not. But with
00:11:50.500 this approach from the Liberal government, it's going to be harder and harder and harder to be
00:11:53.640 able to get that next company started or to get that next product scalable and into the market.
00:11:59.380 And we need to be able to grow more food and more valuable crops in Canada. And, you know,
00:12:04.900 these kind of moves, shutting research stations down, cutting funding, that's not going to help
00:12:08.960 out. I remember when the carbon tax was first brought in, and even though we fought tooth and
00:12:14.000 nail against it, and we're told the world's going to burn unless we have it, greenhouses in Ontario,
00:12:19.720 right? The Chatham-Kent area. Tons of greenhouses. You've already driven through there. Very boring
00:12:24.700 drive. Beautiful, but very boring. But they have greenhouses as far as the eye can see. They were
00:12:29.720 actually at risk of closing down because they couldn't make their bottom line with the carbon
00:12:35.960 tax. They had to be exempt from the carbon tax. But it just goes to show that the food production
00:12:41.600 is so important and we need to make it easier for them to grow and get their products to market
00:12:47.620 rather than harder and more costly.
00:12:50.760 And that just shows the anti-science approach
00:12:52.620 from the Liberals when it comes down to it.
00:12:54.320 Greenhouses, they actually use carbon dioxide
00:12:56.480 to get plants to grow quick.
00:12:58.140 It's rocket fuel for a young plant
00:13:00.260 when it's trying to grow, right?
00:13:01.800 And yeah, just the cost of production,
00:13:03.520 it drove it through the roof.
00:13:05.440 And you see, people saw it at the grocery store.
00:13:07.780 And that's why we fought so hard
00:13:08.960 against the consumer carbon tax
00:13:10.280 and why we're continuing to push hard
00:13:11.460 against the industrial carbon tax
00:13:12.880 and even the liberal fuel regulations
00:13:14.660 that are gonna be punitive to both the consumer
00:13:17.240 and the producer. And the transportation that gets the food from A to B. We can't forget about
00:13:22.260 that too. And the warehousing, and it just piles on one after the other. And people might say,
00:13:30.420 well, I don't see it. Well, it's there. It's baked into the price that you are paying at the end of
00:13:36.580 the day. And the Liberals did one thing. They got rid of the price of carbon tax at the pump,
00:13:43.900 which we all are thankful for, but on the back end, they hit you with another one,
00:13:48.080 the industrial carbon tax, and throw on the clean fuel standard on top of that.
00:13:52.160 Yeah, and your point earlier about being hidden from people, right?
00:13:55.480 To me, that's just immoral.
00:13:56.700 When you can't see the taxes that you're paying, they should be upfront with Canadians
00:14:00.560 so that way they know exactly what they're paying, where that cost is,
00:14:04.360 so that way Canadians have a chance to see for themselves and they can make that informed decision.
00:14:08.340 We're going to keep digging to make sure that we can expose that to Canadians,
00:14:11.500 but the government should just be upfront and honest with Canadians about that.
00:14:14.680 Yeah, that'd be nice, especially when we're talking about prices so high,
00:14:18.620 we need to get them down.
00:14:19.700 So let's lower taxes.
00:14:21.160 Let's make it easier to get the farmers into the market
00:14:23.640 and giving us that food that we all love to enjoy.
00:14:27.040 Absolutely.
00:14:27.620 All right, we're pretty much out of time.
00:14:28.940 But as you may or may not know, the guests get the last word.
00:14:31.460 So the floor is yours.
00:14:32.720 Yeah, well, thanks for having me on the show here.
00:14:34.780 It's always great to be able to talk about what's happening in Saskatchewan.
00:14:37.240 You know, where I am, it's called the Palliser Triangle
00:14:41.180 because it wasn't supposed to be fit for humans to live there and yet you look at what we've
00:14:44.940 done with that land with that space and we are literally the bread basket i say of canada and
00:14:49.820 the world we're growing food for people not just here in canada but across the globe it's remarkable
00:14:54.780 what we've been able to do there and uh you know i'm so blessed to be able to live in the land of
00:14:58.540 the living skies here here and thank you to our farmers absolutely they do a heck of a job and
00:15:03.900 conditions like you said like sometimes very challenging yeah but gotta love them uh jeremy
00:15:09.580 thank you very much for your time. Thanks for having me. Oh, always, anytime. Jeremy Patser,
00:15:14.020 Member of Parliament for Swift Current Grasslands, Kindersley. We appreciate your time as well. Don't
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