The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - September 29, 2026


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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprint. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your
00:00:07.760 host, Jamie Schmail, Member of Parliament for Halliburton-Cawortha Lakes, with new content for
00:00:11.740 you every single Tuesday, 1.30 p.m. Eastern Time. Don't forget to like, comment, subscribe, and share
00:00:16.660 this program, because on today's show, we are talking about Canada's new relationship with the
00:00:21.540 European Union, among other things. And to do that, we bring on Shuv Majumdar, the Member of
00:00:26.900 for Calgary Heritage, and the critic for Canada-U.S. relations.
00:00:30.980 Thanks for coming on.
00:00:31.740 Thanks for having me.
00:00:33.000 You've done so many national media interviews,
00:00:34.800 so I really appreciate the fact that you're coming in to the studio here.
00:00:38.100 You have more eyeballs than they do.
00:00:40.720 They're subsidized and you get nothing.
00:00:42.620 Yeah, that's right.
00:00:44.200 Shoestring budget here is what we're using.
00:00:45.860 This is scrappy.
00:00:46.880 It has passion.
00:00:48.760 I appreciate you saying that.
00:00:50.260 Let's see if you feel the same way by the time this ends.
00:00:52.600 I'm sure I will.
00:00:53.160 All right. The relationship between Canada and U.S. is still on ice right now. The government
00:01:00.300 has signaled an intention to move closer to the European Union. Just maybe give us your
00:01:06.900 thoughts on this, and then we have a few clips to talk about as well.
00:01:10.780 Well, the whole thing is startling. The idea that Canada somehow dispense with its geography
00:01:15.680 of North America and identify as European is not something that I think has a lot of strength in it.
00:01:20.660 We also have a longstanding relationship with Europe through both military and economic partnerships.
00:01:28.180 We were part of shaping the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO.
00:01:31.620 That was the foundation of the transatlantic alliance after the Second World War.
00:01:35.380 It has been a prosperous alliance.
00:01:37.320 Obviously, it needed some adjustments after the end of the Cold War, but it has been one of the most effective military alliances in the world.
00:01:44.760 The second is our economic relationship with Europe, which is through the trade agreement, CETA.
00:01:50.660 of which 10 European nations have yet to still ratify internally.
00:01:54.920 If there was ever a priority to ensure Canadian market access to Europe,
00:01:58.520 it would be to ensure that CETA is fully ascribed and that once those corridors of tradeway have been built,
00:02:05.020 that we put things on that corridor to Europe.
00:02:08.700 The issue has been for Canada is our own productivity.
00:02:12.080 We have not repealed the anti-development legislation.
00:02:14.860 We have not done the pro-investment things that we need to in this country to unlock
00:02:18.880 trillions of dollars of commodity strength. Because we haven't been able to produce,
00:02:23.280 we can't ship. And until we fix our domestic regulatory tax and approvals processes,
00:02:30.560 then these agreements are nice on paper, but not animated with the things that Canadian can put on
00:02:34.840 it. So I don't understand why we need to add, in addition to the military and economic partnership,
00:02:39.340 a political relationship with the European Union.
00:02:42.340 I don't understand why the prime minister believes that somehow denying a relationship
00:02:48.220 and fulfilling a partnership with the United States, as we should focus on,
00:02:51.640 should be replaced by becoming the European Union's 28th state or first associate member
00:02:56.540 or whatever terminology that describes a political partnership.
00:03:00.480 All the industries he described, critical minerals, AI, energy, etc.,
00:03:05.040 are things that are included in the present economic relationship.
00:03:07.540 We just need to get that to market.
00:03:08.760 So for me, there's many things that are problematic with this, not to mention that the European Union itself has a lot of turmoil internally.
00:03:17.800 They have high standards for being part of the monetary union and the political relationship.
00:03:22.380 It comes at a cost to nations' sovereignty, their immigration, their regulatory environments.
00:03:28.120 And I have to think that if somehow Canada has afforded all these elite access opportunities that are outside of CETA,
00:03:34.460 many European Union nations will say, well, what are we in it for? Because we had to do a lot to
00:03:40.100 get the same stuff. So I think this is actually a lot of posturing. I think it's a lot of
00:03:46.620 stuff that's designed for the press. I think it denies mom, dad, and uncle and aunts and people
00:03:53.020 across this country real solutions on how they're going to pay their bills, on how they're going to
00:03:58.680 pay for their groceries, on how they're going to make it through to the end of the year. I think
00:04:02.800 our country deserves a lot better than some performance on a global stage and actual results
00:04:06.920 in the lives of people. All right, let's queue up cut one. We have the Prime Minister at the
00:04:10.620 European Parliament in Strasbourg, France. Play cut one. Yesterday, President von der Leyen
00:04:16.780 spoke of moving beyond CETA to an alliance for the future, opening the door to Canada
00:04:23.800 to become the European Union's first associate member. Canada welcomes this ambition.
00:04:31.560 So how does a company hearing this based in Canada with ties to the United States, with trade routes, all of that, then say, OK, how the heck am I going to market my product now in Europe and I got an ocean to cross before I can ship anything?
00:04:47.180 It's not a very practical thing.
00:04:48.740 I mean, 70% of our trade is with the United States for a reason.
00:04:52.120 Trade diversification is good, Jamie, whether it's to Europe or to Asia.
00:04:55.400 These are things that we absolutely should be pursuing.
00:04:57.720 But absent resolving a deal with North America, which today is costing two and a half million Canadian families directly certainty in their lives and uncertainty in their jobs, as well as hundreds of thousands of people across our ridings, across our communities, who literally this year in the next months are going to be laid off or their businesses are going to move to the United States, not focusing on the United States relationship, not driving it or not having a plan for how we come to a
00:05:27.700 permanent deal with the United States for North America, for Canada, while flirting with this
00:05:32.560 idea of Europe that is so far away, as you point out, and very difficult to accomplish. If you
00:05:39.300 want to get energy to Europe, we have to build the pipelines to be able to get energy. If you
00:05:42.420 want to get critical minerals to Europe, you need to unlock the regulatory burdens to get those
00:05:47.640 critical minerals out of the ground, partner with First Nations and into the markets that they
00:05:51.280 deserve. If you're going to partner with technology in Europe, whether it's satellites or other
00:05:56.520 other opportunities. Well, we need to produce the critical minerals and the advanced industrial base
00:06:02.060 that actually builds those things to get them to market. So there's a lot of domestic decisions
00:06:05.980 that need to be made. Kind of sounds like our arguments for the past 10 years. I know it sounds
00:06:10.380 repetitive and it's sad to feel that way, but here's the lost decade that Canadians now have
00:06:15.940 to confront. And whether it's a liberal government pretending that it could be a conservative one,
00:06:20.560 but not fulfilling the actual steps it needs to, or a conservative one ready to do the job today.
00:06:25.900 It's a tragic thing.
00:06:27.680 I mean, we are in a moment where we have to move with massive speed.
00:06:32.580 My big complaint is that in the last year and a half,
00:06:35.740 the Prime Minister's had all the opportunities to take our invitations to pass big laws
00:06:39.760 and has done none of it.
00:06:41.620 I can't explain why he is not active with the urgency
00:06:44.240 or with the spirit of engaging the whole country, including the opposition,
00:06:47.940 but it is coming at a material cost in the lives of every Canadian.
00:06:51.580 Unfortunately, I say this with no joy,
00:06:54.900 I guess data from developed nations just come out, so the OECD, the global forecasting for most of the world, developed world, leading economies are forecasted to go up.
00:07:09.820 Lots of development.
00:07:10.840 Unfortunately, Canada's isn't going as fast as I'm sure, to your point just a second ago, that many in our communities would like to see because their jobs and their livelihoods are on the line.
00:07:20.980 Here's the thing.
00:07:21.820 the federal government, liberals, will go out and say, well, it's because of tariffs and foreign
00:07:27.520 wars. But every other country on that OECD list are dealing with similar pressures.
00:07:33.280 Every other country came to ground on a relationship with the United States,
00:07:38.480 a relationship on new terms that have held. Now, these tariffs that the President Trump
00:07:42.860 is imposing upon Canadians are completely unjustified, and we should fight them tooth
00:07:46.960 the nail and get the best possible deal for the country. What I have heard from representatives,
00:07:52.720 including from the European Union ambassador to Canada, is that the new terms that are negotiated
00:07:57.120 by Washington are actually held, too. Of course, we should be thinking through what happens if
00:08:02.000 Washington decides to change the terms of the deal again. This is a tragic point in the relationship
00:08:07.540 that Canadians now have to accommodate in how we do a deal. The reason I say all this is because
00:08:12.820 Every other country in the world has come to live in the reality we now must live in.
00:08:17.760 Every other country in the world has made decisions to unlock their economic potential to varying degrees and are making steps forward.
00:08:25.460 Our country remains an outlier, not just because of our proximity to the United States, but because our government is incapable of making the decisions to get out of the way.
00:08:34.500 And as long as that happens, as long as another day in Parliament passes without passing transformational legislation, the prospects for our people today, the prospects for the next generation are growing increasingly bleak.
00:08:48.980 One of the questions most people, I think, are asking themselves,
00:08:51.960 what does this new relationship with the European Union mean?
00:08:55.480 What does it have to do with immigration?
00:08:58.760 Does it work? Is it products?
00:09:01.000 Well, let's hear the Prime Minister try to explain it.
00:09:03.180 Play, cut, two.
00:09:04.600 Let's get into things like labour mobility, the ability to live and work,
00:09:08.080 visa-free in each other's jurisdictions.
00:09:10.040 You could see enhanced labour mobility, elements of enhanced labour mobility.
00:09:14.060 Obviously, the four freedoms in Europe are tied together.
00:09:16.700 So there's limits to that.
00:09:18.180 but you can see enhanced that.
00:09:19.620 Certainly enhanced educational opportunities,
00:09:22.440 enhanced research cooperation.
00:09:24.120 There is a huge host of areas where we can work together.
00:09:27.060 It's an exciting time.
00:09:27.880 Look, it's not going to be solved this week in Strasbourg,
00:09:30.940 just to be clear.
00:09:32.520 It's the start of a process,
00:09:34.280 but it's a start of a high ambition process.
00:09:36.800 Obviously, an older clip before he made the speech
00:09:39.880 in the first clip we just showed you a few moments ago,
00:09:43.200 but still there are some questions.
00:09:45.480 But to your point right off the top
00:09:47.480 is we already have a trade agreement with the European Union.
00:09:49.860 There's a number of countries that have not ratified it,
00:09:52.760 including some pretty big major economies in the European Union
00:09:55.860 have not signed on to this.
00:09:57.660 So there is so much more work to do in that field.
00:10:02.440 But again, we have the world's largest and most powerful economy right next door.
00:10:07.600 We do.
00:10:08.060 It's one of those things where you also worry about what it means for school levels in Canada,
00:10:13.880 like how many Canadian kids are not going to be able to go to the schools that they need to.
00:10:17.480 Any adjustments on labor mobility might have implications on our own immigration,
00:10:21.180 which is, as you know, a liberal mess that requires deep and difficult decisions to fix.
00:10:28.220 Eurovision is a music competition that comes out of Europe.
00:10:31.860 The prime minister proudly announced Canada's participation on Eurovision on Canada Day,
00:10:36.640 which I think the better announcement on Canada Day would have been a deal for North America and COSMA.
00:10:42.780 You know, sometimes I don't mean to be cute about it,
00:10:45.420 but sometimes he comes across as a real Europhile,
00:10:48.080 Eurocrat, technocrat, prime minister.
00:10:49.900 I mean, he's got three, he's got three citizenships, right?
00:10:52.440 So, you know, I want to do the Game of Thrones introduction.
00:10:55.280 I'm like, the prime minister comes from the England
00:10:58.340 and what is it?
00:11:00.080 Is he Irish?
00:11:01.400 England and Ireland and the prime minister of Canada
00:11:03.340 and the future prime minister of Europe.
00:11:04.620 Like, this is not his job.
00:11:05.980 His job is to serve our communities,
00:11:08.080 to lower prices on Canadians, to defend our borders, 0.95
00:11:10.360 to control our immigration and to unleash our resources
00:11:13.160 so we can supercharge our economy for the next half century. 0.88
00:11:15.980 This stuff is nice, but it's not producing the kind of priorities
00:11:19.260 that I know Pierre Polly would for our conservative government,
00:11:21.960 that our country demands in our movement,
00:11:24.420 and that certainly people who are hurting a lot in every single day today
00:11:27.520 need to see their government make as decisions.
00:11:30.440 Yeah, and it's quite amazing when you look at all the time he's spent over there
00:11:34.880 rather than in our House of Commons trying to answer questions.
00:11:37.520 I would argue, we should do the math on this,
00:11:39.080 But I think he has spent more time in Europe, and perhaps even China,
00:11:43.500 than he has in advocating for a Canadian relationship in the United States.
00:11:46.220 Yeah, oh, definitely.
00:11:47.740 And he's probably spent more time in summits internationally
00:11:50.120 than he has in the House of Commons, to your point.
00:11:52.520 Oh, I'm pretty sure that's better.
00:11:53.660 There's no doubt about that.
00:11:54.580 There's no doubt about that.
00:11:56.300 I think we get them once a week if we're lucky in the House.
00:12:00.080 What a privilege it is.
00:12:00.820 What a privilege it is.
00:12:02.040 All right, so you spoke a few minutes ago about transforming the economy,
00:12:05.620 getting projects approved as quickly as possible.
00:12:08.120 The Liberals have come out with a bill at C39.
00:12:11.080 It's got kind of three major points to it.
00:12:13.480 I think two we have some agreement on.
00:12:17.140 There's one point that we don't.
00:12:18.700 But listen to the jobs minister.
00:12:20.860 Okay, just cue this up here.
00:12:22.880 All right, cue up cut three. 0.98
00:12:24.540 The jobs minister, Patty Haju, for 10 years, she championed the Trudeau agenda.
00:12:31.560 She championed every piece of job-killing legislation, investment-driving regulations that were put in place all the time, constantly.
00:12:43.060 Now she's playing a different tune.
00:12:44.720 Play, cut, three.
00:12:46.160 The method of operation, you are flooding the zone with a really dense bill across a wide array of issues.
00:12:52.480 It's very Trumpian.
00:12:54.220 Should we, as Canadians, expect that this is how this government will operate?
00:12:58.660 But it's certainly not Trumpian.
00:12:59.680 So I would just say what we're doing is we're responding to a crisis.
00:13:04.340 We're doing exactly what Canadians have asked us to,
00:13:07.080 which is to stand up for them, to stand up for their families,
00:13:09.980 to stand up for their jobs.
00:13:11.340 We're fighting every single day to save jobs, to grow jobs,
00:13:15.040 and to make sure that we can actually build big things in this country
00:13:18.220 and get our goods to market, in many cases new markets.
00:13:21.400 So these are the ways that we're doing this together with Canadians.
00:13:24.620 So she had no concerns when job growth was shrinking under Justin Trudeau and she was a key minister in that cabinet.
00:13:32.040 No concerns. But listen to her language there. Crisis, right?
00:13:35.420 She used that during COVID and so did Justin Trudeau.
00:13:37.600 There's a crisis. So we need to print all this money and spend all this money.
00:13:41.140 And now they're talking about another crisis.
00:13:42.560 So the government can keep taking control and pushing things through, right?
00:13:46.180 There's always a crisis when the government needs to, you know, pass their agenda.
00:13:51.140 What are we going to slow down here?
00:13:52.660 At the risk of immaturity, what should I say?
00:13:54.240 do as I say, not as Heidi, like that, that Patti Hadou. I mean, COVID trauma memories notwithstanding,
00:14:02.260 these liberals have always used international emergencies to control the debate. They create,
00:14:09.600 sometimes appropriately, a big picture about a massive risk to our people and our country.
00:14:16.700 But what is not appropriate is when they say that they are the only purveyors of one idea and one
00:14:23.120 opinion, and every other idea is either seditious or traitorous. You'll recall that this prime
00:14:28.080 minister, at the height of COVID protests in Canada, described protesters as seditious in
00:14:34.280 writing in the Globe and Mail. The Supreme Court has now ruled how obviously wrong-minded all of
00:14:40.580 that was. How many lives have been destroyed because of that is unknown, and certainly something
00:14:45.760 our country still has to atone for. But what has resulted in is a generation of broken trust.
00:14:50.260 We now have people across this country who don't trust politicians, which is, I mean, probably fair minded generally, but they don't trust the press.
00:14:57.740 They don't trust the health authorities. They don't trust the courts. They don't trust the news.
00:15:02.340 They don't trust the academy. They don't trust the universities. They don't trust anything.
00:15:06.700 And rebuilding that trust will be a generational project for genuine leaders.
00:15:10.740 And the more that these types of ministers exploit international crisis to gaslight Canadians and diminish the debate in our country,
00:15:18.460 the more they diminish the foundations of what our whole democracy was built upon.
00:15:23.320 We're a century and a half-year-old democracy centered in parliament
00:15:26.120 through wars and depressions and hard times.
00:15:28.680 We have endured and succeeded and thrived because we are a parliament.
00:15:32.600 And that parliament provides a rich array of perspectives from across this country
00:15:36.360 so that the government can make better decisions.
00:15:39.340 For us, it's an act of loyalty not to criticize the government for criticism's sake,
00:15:43.800 especially in crisis, but to offer an opportunity to think of a different idea
00:15:48.020 to make the best decision for the people of this country.
00:15:51.580 And so, you know, as I watch the prime minister
00:15:54.720 and his same cabinet from Trudeau-era COVID control freaks.
00:16:00.700 Yeah, even in that camera shot, they were all.
00:16:02.940 Even if all of them were there.
00:16:03.580 McKinnon, LeBlanc, they were all.
00:16:05.360 And it shows you kind of that they may not have a sense of true north.
00:16:08.720 They don't have a sense of principle
00:16:09.620 because they'll argue exactly the opposite of what they'd argued for a decade
00:16:12.740 just for the sake of staying in power.
00:16:15.700 Maybe it's politics, maybe it's fun for them,
00:16:17.640 But you and I both have constituents and people back home who need us to deliver for them.
00:16:22.620 And for them, that's not a game.
00:16:24.700 And so, you know, I always watch politicians who use emergencies to take control with a great deal of suspicion.
00:16:31.560 And I think a lot of all of our viewers should.
00:16:33.680 And there will always be an emergency if the government can get away with it.
00:16:37.180 And the media will always be a crisis.
00:16:38.580 And the press will help create that sense of, oh, my gosh, there's an anxiety and there's an emergency.
00:16:42.540 How dare you criticize?
00:16:43.600 It's like, no, the press, we should we should have an opportunity to criticize.
00:16:46.700 That's the entire idea of a constructive official opposition.
00:16:50.180 Well, it'd be nice if the media spent more time criticizing the government instead of the opposition, which I find just amazing.
00:16:56.160 How about they do the same?
00:16:57.580 However much they come after us, how about we get them to do at least the same?
00:17:01.520 Yeah, maybe we'll have to raise the bar to the same.
00:17:03.620 Let's just go to the same level of scrutiny.
00:17:05.740 It's unbelievable.
00:17:06.980 Shuv, we're pretty much out of time, but again, thank you so much for coming.
00:17:09.900 I feel like you lowered your standards to come on with me, but I really appreciate it.
00:17:14.880 As you know, the guests get the last word.
00:17:16.600 It's hard to build on what you just said, but the floor is yours.
00:17:19.160 No, I'm good, Jamie.
00:17:20.000 Thank you for trucking along.
00:17:21.100 This is the highest standard.
00:17:22.220 This is the highest level of press and media that we have in this country.
00:17:24.920 We need to do way more of it.
00:17:25.860 Thank you, Jamie.
00:17:26.480 All right.
00:17:26.840 Shubha Jumbar, Member of Parliament for Calgary Heritage,
00:17:29.480 critic for Canada-U.S. relations.
00:17:31.060 Thank you so much for your time.
00:17:32.020 Thank you for yours.
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