The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - September 22, 2026


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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprint. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your
00:00:07.800 host, Jamie Schmael, Member of Parliament for Halliburton Cawortha Lakes, with new content for
00:00:11.960 you every single Tuesday, 1.30 p.m. Eastern Time. Don't forget to like, comment, subscribe,
00:00:16.820 and share this program. You can tell your friends too. Download it on platforms like CastBox,
00:00:21.400 iTunes, Google Play, and Spotify. You name it, it is out there. On today's show, we are talking
00:00:26.840 about parliament being back in session after the summer recess the prime minister goes to europe
00:00:32.200 to address the parliament there and airport privatization coming to canada to talk about
00:00:37.960 this and so much more we bring on john brassard the member of parliament for barry south innisfil
00:00:43.880 also the chair of the ethics committee here in parliament welcome jamie good to be back uh just
00:00:49.000 wondering since the last time i was on here have you passed joe rogan yet we're getting there you're
00:00:53.640 You're getting there.
00:00:54.220 Okay, well, that's good.
00:00:54.840 Well, maybe we can pass him today.
00:00:56.740 That's why I brought you on.
00:00:57.860 Right on.
00:00:58.480 I figure with John Brassardi, we're just going to go way past him and Howard Stern probably combined.
00:01:05.440 I think we got it.
00:01:06.300 Good.
00:01:06.460 How's your summer been?
00:01:07.220 It went by way too fast.
00:01:08.520 Way too fast as well.
00:01:09.620 Unfortunately, a lot was happening this past few days.
00:01:13.540 Parliament back in session yesterday.
00:01:15.540 We got the summer dust kicked off of us and question period resumed.
00:01:20.420 And give us your quick take on what it felt being back in Parliament and kind of the vibe you got from the government benches.
00:01:29.240 I really got a sense that there's still some significant challenges that the country's facing right now.
00:01:34.760 Obviously, with the tariff situation, the impact that that's having on affordability, not just for consumers, but also businesses as well.
00:01:43.100 I thought our position today, looking out for the little guy, is an important one because I, like you, spent the summer talking to individuals who are facing the affordability, the housing insecurity, food insecurity crisis, as well as businesses that are struggling with the day-to-day issue of tariffs, right?
00:02:02.540 A lot of capital on the sideline right now.
00:02:05.300 People aren't investing.
00:02:07.160 They're concerned.
00:02:09.200 Anytime you've got uncertainty and doubt, that creates basically a gridlock for business.
00:02:14.740 And so that's what we're facing right now.
00:02:17.100 And it's a challenge.
00:02:18.260 There's no question about it.
00:02:19.200 I met with probably 75 or more businesses, either spoke to them on the phone,
00:02:25.060 and each one of them were significantly concerned about the terrorist situation
00:02:28.120 and the impact that that was going to have on their businesses.
00:02:30.380 And it's a funny thing about business owners.
00:02:32.220 They don't just care about their businesses, they care about their employees as well.
00:02:35.380 So that doubt and uncertainty is really causing chaos within the business community,
00:02:40.300 and it's cascading itself throughout the broader economy, either cost of living increases
00:02:44.940 or just a lot of anxiety for Canadians right now because of what's going on.
00:02:51.420 We had the Prime Minister addressing the European Parliament,
00:02:54.080 touting a new kind of relationship with the European Union.
00:02:58.200 details we're still waiting for. And we're hoping the government at some point decides to address
00:03:04.340 our parliament here in Canada and let not only parliamentarians, but Canadians know exactly
00:03:09.860 what they have up their sleeve in terms of the direction they want the country to go in. Because
00:03:16.120 you have the world's largest, most powerful economy just to our south, but there's an ocean
00:03:21.260 and separating us from the European market.
00:03:25.100 And I think we can do both,
00:03:26.600 but to do this dance that the government seems to be doing,
00:03:32.040 I think people need a bit more details, to your point,
00:03:35.380 to kind of calm the waters a bit,
00:03:37.440 because a lot of people are struggling,
00:03:39.180 and unfortunately, it's not getting any better.
00:03:41.800 Well, if you want any idea, if anybody wants any idea
00:03:44.760 of the extent and scope of just what our trading relationship
00:03:47.940 means to the United States,
00:03:49.440 go stand on the bridge on Highway 25 in Milton and watch all the trucks that are going down to
00:03:54.420 the United States and those that are coming back from the United States into Canada. You can't just
00:03:58.620 flip a switch on trade. 3% of our trade goes to Europe, 85% goes to the United States. Europe has
00:04:05.200 got a greater regulatory and legislative burden in place. It's much tougher to do business in Europe
00:04:11.380 than it is in the United States, notwithstanding the situation with Donald Trump right now.
00:04:16.120 But you can't just flip a switch, Jamie, and expect that you're going to diversify your trade into Europe.
00:04:21.100 There are many, many businesses in this country, as I spoke about earlier,
00:04:24.900 whose business models are based on the fact that they trade with the United States open and free trade, tariff-free trade.
00:04:32.200 And they become increasingly important in what we're doing to not just make sure that that tariff-free barrier for trade is there,
00:04:41.800 but also to make sure that we're trying to, in any way we can, to work on this situation with the United States.
00:04:49.400 Look, what this situation has done is it's opened us up.
00:04:53.220 It's opened a wound, not just because of the threats of the American president,
00:04:58.100 but it's also opened a wound that has been self-inflicted on us
00:05:03.080 because of a legislative and regulatory regime in our country that has held us back
00:05:07.640 and created barriers in terms of our natural resource extraction and supply around the world,
00:05:14.480 interprovincial trade barriers, all of those still exist right now.
00:05:18.160 I mean, when you look at the resource sector, 69 and 48 are still in existence.
00:05:22.600 You know, that should speak volumes to people, just where the government's mindset is
00:05:26.600 when it comes to using our natural resources to feed the world with clean Canadian energy.
00:05:32.640 We have many, many problems that still exist in this country that we have to solve,
00:05:36.960 not the least of which, as I said, is the interprovincial trade barriers that are still in
00:05:41.040 place in September of 2026 that the Prime Minister told us would be gone in July of 2025.
00:05:47.820 Over Justin Trudeau's term, we saw about a trillion dollars of investment leave Canada. Now,
00:05:53.240 the government says it's trying to win some of that back. It'll be an uphill climb, I think,
00:05:58.380 based on, as you mentioned, not to mention our regulatory environment, right? There's a lot of
00:06:03.320 things unfortunately at play here. But the government has launched its new and improved
00:06:08.560 Maple Fund. So we have $50 billion here for a Maple Fund. Can you give us the quick elevator
00:06:15.520 pitch? What is the Maple Fund? Well, the Maple Fund is an announcement that was made by the
00:06:20.440 Prime Minister during the recent investment summit. It's a combination of investment from
00:06:26.060 the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board. And surprise, surprise, Brookfield Asset Management,
00:06:33.920 the two are coming together to put $25 billion in over a period of five years to,
00:06:39.160 I'll use the Prime Minister's words, to catalyze investment into this country in infrastructure.
00:06:46.620 And it's within a five-year timeframe. There's been some criticism towards it,
00:06:53.980 obviously as it relates to Brookfield's involvement and the Prime Minister's conflict of interest.
00:07:00.360 But there's been some like the Canadian Chamber of Commerce who's come out in favour of it,
00:07:05.260 that it will spur on investment in this country. So, you know, the devil is in the details,
00:07:12.420 always is, right? And so we're keeping an eye on things. And I think every Canadian should be
00:07:16.960 keeping an eye on this for sure. But unfortunately, some of the work that you're doing,
00:07:21.240 I guess fortunately for the opposition and transparency in Parliament, but unfortunately for the government, there are a lot of questions still out there, as you just said, but also the perceived conflict of interest with the Prime Minister and Brookfield, because everything seems to be tailored with government policy towards Brookfield's goals.
00:07:44.920 It may be coincidence, maybe, but there seems to be a lot going on behind the scenes. 1.00
00:07:50.180 And that transparency and accountability, and you're right, is becoming increasingly more difficult because of the transactional majority that the Prime Minister has picked up now with the floor crossers. 1.00
00:08:01.140 By seizing control of Parliament and seizing control of the committees, particularly the oversight committees like ethics, government operations, and public accounts, it becomes increasingly difficult to hold the government to account, right? 0.99
00:08:13.840 So if we want to do a study, for example, on the condo bailout, I recall the committee back in July, and the Liberals immediately shut the committee down by adjourning the meeting, right?
00:08:24.260 So we didn't even get to deal with the motion that was before us to launch an investigation into the $3.5 billion condo bailout to Liberal donors and investors as well.
00:08:34.900 So that's becoming increasingly more difficult.
00:08:37.800 The principle at play here was really started in 2020 when Mark Carney became the economic advisor to Justin Trudeau.
00:08:46.140 It was a non-paid volunteer position.
00:08:50.320 So that didn't subject to him as a designated public officeholder, didn't subject him to any of the conflict of interest regime that exists.
00:08:58.360 So he basically had free will to do anything he wanted within that prime minister's office while Justin Trudeau was playing prime minister.
00:09:05.820 And what he did was set up the principle of public risk for private return, aligning public policy with Brookfield's strategy.
00:09:14.740 And what we're seeing now with this Maple Fund is, and again, the CPPIB is an arm's length organization, right?
00:09:21.800 They're meant to act independent of government, and generally they do.
00:09:25.840 But this alignment of public pension with Brookfield, and again, public risk, private return, having Brookfield involved with public policy aligning with Brookfield's strategy, it calls into question just how involved the Prime Minister may have been in these deliberations.
00:09:49.820 I will tell you that he's appointed six members of the CPP Investment Board since he became Prime Minister in March of 2025.
00:09:58.320 So, you know, again, it goes back to some of the work that we did at the Ethics Committee.
00:10:02.640 And we studied the Conflict of Interest Act and we did an in-depth study on the Prime Minister's conflicts of interest.
00:10:09.160 And at the end of it, the principal recommendation that came from our committee is that the Prime Minister divest himself of all, all of his assets related to Brookfield and others so that that perception of conflict of interest wouldn't be there.
00:10:26.620 right? Because the only way I feel, and I still feel this today, even since that report was
00:10:32.760 published, the only way that Canadians can feel confident that the Prime Minister is making
00:10:37.500 decisions, not in his interest, but in the interest of Canadians, is if he divests himself
00:10:43.440 of all of those assets. He right now has 574 stocks in the United States. Three of them are
00:10:49.720 in Canada. Over 90% of his portfolio is invested in the United States. And so it begs the question,
00:10:55.720 and who's he acting for?
00:10:56.780 Is he acting for himself,
00:10:57.920 or is he acting for the interests of the country?
00:11:00.260 The other thing that we learned
00:11:01.440 in that conflict of interest study,
00:11:02.840 which is critical in our recommendation for him to divest,
00:11:06.840 is that he will make millions of dollars.
00:11:09.040 I know it's in a blind trust,
00:11:10.600 I know it's being managed,
00:11:12.600 but he knows precisely what's in that.
00:11:14.460 And so every public policy decisions that's made,
00:11:18.240 including this strategic partnership of $50 billion
00:11:22.620 between the CPPIB and Brookfield,
00:11:24.680 he stands to make millions of dollars
00:11:27.080 within the Brookfield Global Transition Fund One,
00:11:29.740 which he set up, and he's gonna do that
00:11:31.760 through deferred stock options, stock units,
00:11:34.540 and carried interest.
00:11:35.680 And you know how I know he's gonna make millions?
00:11:37.680 Because the COO of Brookfield appeared before the committee
00:11:41.340 and was asked point blank, how much is he gonna make?
00:11:45.020 He has the potential to make millions of this.
00:11:48.040 So the only answer to all of this, to ensure public trust,
00:11:52.000 to ensure that Canadians have trust,
00:11:54.000 that the decisions that are being made and the risks that are being taken
00:11:57.220 are not in the Prime Minister's interest or Brookfield's interest,
00:12:04.040 but they're in the interest of Canadians, is to divest his holdings.
00:12:07.400 And that's what we call for.
00:12:08.540 All right, let's cue up cut one.
00:12:10.140 We are seeing the Prime Minister here.
00:12:12.740 He's in India.
00:12:14.220 He was just meeting with the Indian Prime Minister.
00:12:16.160 I'm not sure this clip makes too much sense.
00:12:19.560 His response, I think we'll talk about in a bit.
00:12:22.900 But it just goes to show the direction the government is doing with their control of the Canada Pension Investment Board and where they're kind of directing taxpayer, because you're forced to pay into it, pass taxpayers' money in their retirement.
00:12:39.020 Blake, up one.
00:12:39.600 Over the longer horizon, the Prime Minister mentioned a moment ago the $100 billion of investments already in India by our pension funds.
00:12:49.660 Those pension funds have $2 trillion in capital.
00:12:53.800 There are already some of the largest foreign investors here, potential for significant growth,
00:12:59.520 particularly given the scale of the infrastructure build in this country.
00:13:04.780 So I think, you know, we've got to look at the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board.
00:13:09.160 You know, it's true that they've invested billions around the world.
00:13:12.140 They expect a rate of return.
00:13:13.500 Obviously, you know, Canadian pensioners expect a rate of return when they make those investments.
00:13:18.120 So there's nothing unusual about that.
00:13:20.140 What is unusual is this newfound connection now with Brookfield.
00:13:25.880 Brookfield, how they make money, as I mentioned earlier, through the Brookfield Global Transition Fund 1,
00:13:31.400 they make money by increasing the value of that fund through the investments that are made through it.
00:13:35.820 There's 2,000 different entities that are in it.
00:13:38.460 We don't know them all, but we have an idea that there are pension funds in there as well as other investors as well.
00:13:45.940 So they make money on that, plus they also make money front end on the management of the funds.
00:13:51.380 So anything to do with construction, operation, looking into certain structures that are in place,
00:13:59.920 they also make money off management fees as well.
00:14:02.340 And they front end those, by the way.
00:14:04.420 So that's money up front.
00:14:05.600 So again, when I go back to this principle of public risk for private return,
00:14:10.200 it's easy to put up public money for risk.
00:14:13.300 But on the back end of that, there are companies that are making significant gains
00:14:18.580 while all of the risk is being put on the back of taxpayers, right?
00:14:23.500 Now, I'm not suggesting for a second because, you know,
00:14:26.560 the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board, as I said, they've made those investments.
00:14:31.060 I'm not suggesting for a second that that risk is there
00:14:34.860 because we don't know in principle how this is going to play itself out.
00:14:38.780 But I can tell you that in all of the deliberations and all of the things that we've heard at the Ethics Committee, this principle of putting up public capital, public money for private risk could very much be in play here.
00:14:54.960 And again, a caveat to that is the Pension Board has had tremendous success around the world with the rate of return on investors.
00:15:02.080 But, you know, the devil is always in the details in these things.
00:15:05.400 And, you know, the one thing that is common throughout is that Brookfield's name pops up all the time.
00:15:11.140 All right. Airport privatization. We've heard that a few times.
00:15:13.880 And I think that that's something we'd like a bit more information on.
00:15:18.120 I think, relatively speaking, I think conservatives support ensuring our airports are as competitive as possible
00:15:25.920 and consumers are getting the best price and the best possible service that is available to be offered.
00:15:32.460 Problem is, I'm not sure, based on the details we have already, that the government sees the same way.
00:15:40.540 Let's cue up cut two, play cut two.
00:15:43.120 I'm announcing today that we will seek private investment through long-term concessions to operate Canada's four largest airports.
00:15:52.060 Following best practice in other countries, the government of Canada will retain ownership of the underlying land and assets, but we will unlock their true value.
00:16:02.080 by bringing in new capital and expertise to their operations and their growth.
00:16:08.080 We will reinvest the tens of billions of dollars of capital that we raise
00:16:13.240 into infrastructure that Canada needs for the next generation.
00:16:18.580 That will mean investing in regional airports,
00:16:22.580 providing better and more affordable regional and remote air connections.
00:16:27.700 It will mean a better passenger experience.
00:16:30.840 It will mean investing in new local transportation infrastructure to make commutes easier and faster for all Canadians.
00:16:39.780 Generally, I think there could be some support there.
00:16:42.480 Did you notice at the bottom on the ticker that it read the Prime Minister hopes to retrieve a trillion dollars in investment through his summit that he held not too long ago?
00:16:53.920 RBC said a trillion dollars in investment left Canada during the Liberal reign.
00:16:58.500 So it's basically just coming back to level now.
00:17:00.840 It kind of reminds me of, you know, the movie Goldmember when Dr. Evil puts his finger to his mouth and says,
00:17:08.900 a kabillion, kajillion, kadrillion, kadrillion dollars, right?
00:17:11.560 Because he's holding Goldmember up, or not Goldmember, but Austin Powers up for ransom or something.
00:17:16.960 So we don't know what the true numbers are.
00:17:19.500 We don't know what this investment is going to look like.
00:17:22.380 you know, the reality is that the government already owns the lands and the assets that
00:17:28.180 airports operate on. They're operated by greater airport authorities, right? For example, at Pearson,
00:17:35.400 it's the GTAA. And so these are nonprofit organizations that do a very good job at
00:17:42.180 operating the airports, ensuring the safety of passengers and leasing out, you know, the
00:17:47.260 concessions that are in there, very similar to what the prime minister is talking about.
00:17:51.080 There is no question that there is an infrastructure deficit in this country as it relates to aviation and airports as well.
00:18:00.000 I just, over the summer, I had a chance to visit the Victoria Airport and met with some very smart people at the Victoria Airport Authority.
00:18:08.600 And they talked about their specific infrastructure deficit.
00:18:12.140 But there is broader concern about some of these concession agreements and how they're going to play themselves out.
00:18:18.100 what's the regulatory framework going to look like.
00:18:21.620 Canada's already one of the most regulated industries when it comes to aviation,
00:18:27.520 concerned about cost as well.
00:18:29.900 What's it going to mean for passenger experience?
00:18:33.360 How is it going to increase the costs, you know, not just within the airport itself,
00:18:37.440 but whether that plays itself into airfare as well.
00:18:42.160 You know, making sure, of course, airports make predominantly most of their money,
00:18:45.940 a lot of their money off of landing fees.
00:18:48.100 you know, if you've got private investment coming in, how is that going to impact? They're looking
00:18:55.040 for a rate of return. So how is that going to, you know, affect their profits? And if they're
00:19:00.660 not getting that rate of return, or if the government is guaranteeing them a rate of return
00:19:04.640 even worse, then again, the risk falls back onto the taxpayer, right? So there's a lot of devil in
00:19:11.940 the details with this as well. But overall, I think there's a lot of risk involved with
00:19:20.740 privatizing the airports. The other aspect of this too is we're looking at four airports right now.
00:19:26.620 What is it going to mean to regional airports and regional carriers if this private money is coming
00:19:32.980 in and maybe the focus is going to be on those four airports solely? We just don't know any of
00:19:40.140 details of this and the government's been kind of coy about it as well they haven't been announcing
00:19:44.460 too many details so uh even the uh the transportation minister uh you know mused about it yesterday and
00:19:51.420 saying that it's not going to increase cost to passengers well how do we know unless we actually
00:19:56.620 see the deal and some of these concession agreements jamie like you know and there are
00:20:00.620 models around the world that have worked well uh there are you know especially in the middle east
00:20:05.580 in where private equity is invested in airports, passenger experience has been great. But some
00:20:10.540 of these concession agreements can come in folders that are this thick, right? So again,
00:20:15.580 when you've got a high regulatory regime, as we do in Canada, how is that going to impact
00:20:21.020 the concessions that are made to these private equity investors that are investing in Canada's
00:20:25.820 airport and expecting a rate of return? What will that rate of return be expected to be?
00:20:31.820 Because usually when competition is front and center, you get a better product, service, and price.
00:20:37.560 The issue at the airport, there's one airport, right?
00:20:40.320 There's four airports that the government's talking about,
00:20:42.340 but there isn't that competition to ensure that the customer experience is the best one.
00:20:46.840 So we'll see if that actually leads to anything.
00:20:49.420 So I guess the jury's still out.
00:20:51.640 John, we've gone way over time, but as you know, yeah, I know it went so fast.
00:20:55.740 I can stay longer.
00:20:56.320 I know you can, but you can because the guests always get the last word and you get to close it out.
00:21:00.680 I think, you know, people need to pay attention on the connection, again, between the Prime Minister, Brookfield, and some of these other public investment opportunities that exist.
00:21:16.600 You know, this BGTF-1, this is the elephant in the room when it comes to the Prime Minister because, as I said earlier, he stands to make millions of dollars from it.
00:21:25.300 So every investment, every decision that's been made has to be looked through the lens of what it means to the prime minister and his personal financial portfolio.
00:21:35.340 So is he making decisions? And look, look, I mean, none of us are naive, Jamie, to think that he's not aware, like he's aware of the decisions that are being made.
00:21:45.820 He's the prime minister of the country, right? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, prime minister, this deal.
00:21:49.540 like don't be don't be people should not be naive to think that but we have to
00:21:53.040 look at it through a lens of you know how is this benefiting the Prime Minister
00:21:57.100 and the connection to Brookfield and other things and I will say this too
00:22:01.480 that you know we asked we asked specifically as a committee that he
00:22:06.040 divest his and I know that there's significant consequences to that but if
00:22:11.020 you truly want to act in the best interest of the kind of a country and
00:22:14.300 not have this cloud of hanging over your head
00:22:19.740 that you're not making decisions
00:22:21.440 in the best interest of the country,
00:22:22.940 that you're making decisions
00:22:24.060 in the best interest of yourself,
00:22:25.980 he needs to divest of that
00:22:27.280 because we're gonna continue.
00:22:28.360 And they've become even more emboldened over the summer.
00:22:30.740 Since they've had their majority,
00:22:32.160 they're throwing it out there now.
00:22:34.400 Like this is happening, this is happening,
00:22:36.740 the airports, they're not holding anything back
00:22:39.680 at this point and it causes a reasonable person to think,
00:22:44.260 Is he doing this for himself, or is he doing this for the country?
00:22:47.800 Well, when we get more details, hopefully we will know more.
00:22:50.620 We are watching every day.
00:22:53.080 John Broussard, Member of Parliament for Barrie South Innisfil, also the Chair of the Ethics Committee.
00:22:57.880 Thank you so much for your time.
00:22:59.460 That's a lot of information, but I guarantee you did not get that in the mainstream media.
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