The Charlie Kirk Show - December 11, 2024


"A Complete Landmine For Anti-White, Anti-Male Hatred" — A Full Analysis of the Daniel Penny Case


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Heather McDonald and Ari Fleischer join me to talk about the Pennsylvania election recount, and to discuss the almost stolen election in Pennsylvania. We discuss what happened in Bucks County, Pennsylvania and why it is so important to hold accountable those responsible.

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00:01:27.000 We almost saw a stolen election.
00:01:31.000 That's right.
00:01:31.000 Almost saw a stolen election in Pennsylvania.
00:01:34.000 And we have to really be honest about what was happening there and never let it happen again.
00:01:42.000 It's an extraordinary piece in the Wall Street Journal.
00:01:45.000 To have it published in the Wall Street Journal is almost even more extraordinary because it seems that this topic has been very verboten on traditional news sources.
00:01:53.000 But it's the courage of the author and the clarity because he's right.
00:01:57.000 It's Ari Fleischer, who has been on this program many times.
00:01:59.000 Ari, welcome to the program.
00:02:01.000 Your piece is Pennsylvania almost saw a stolen election.
00:02:04.000 That's a big statement.
00:02:05.000 In fact, that statement could make you label the conspiracy theorist, have your home rated, kicked off social media, and debanked Ari.
00:02:11.000 What's going on in Pennsylvania that warranted such a description?
00:02:15.000 Well, I had an inside view to this one, Charlie.
00:02:17.000 I worked for Dave McCormick's campaign, and what I saw in the recount was the National Democrats flooded into Pennsylvania, led by a big election attorney who had flipped other races, and they were trying to save Bob Casey from losing.
00:02:30.000 And the way they do it is what I got to see.
00:02:32.000 What their technique is, and this is a warning to every other state out there, is if they can find sympathetic county commissioners, sympathetic judges, they will convert votes that by definition by state law are illegal.
00:02:48.000 Into legal votes, and they only try to do it in overwhelmingly Democratic counties.
00:02:53.000 And so what they try to do in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, for example, was count votes that were undated or not signed, both of which are barred by state law from being counted as illegitimate vote.
00:03:05.000 They're illegal votes.
00:03:07.000 They found a county commissioner to, in effect, nullify state law and say, we're going to count these votes.
00:03:15.000 And it took the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, where McCormick sued, to stop that from happening.
00:03:20.000 The lesson, Charlie, is every candidate has to have an operation in every county that knows the law, has smart lawyers, are on their toes, and are instantly prepared to pounce because the Democrats will try to convert illegal to legal.
00:03:33.000 And in overwhelmingly Democratic counties, they have a shot at doing it.
00:03:37.000 Yeah, I mean, just so who's going to be holding them accountable, right?
00:03:40.000 I mean, just we're getting the tape here.
00:03:42.000 Do we have it loaded?
00:03:44.000 Let's play cut 51. This is one of the most extraordinary and just provocative pieces of tape.
00:03:50.000 Play cut 51. We reject all three categories of these ballots.
00:03:55.000 Your motion is to reject or dismiss the challenges in this category in front of you?
00:04:01.000 Correct.
00:04:01.000 Yep.
00:04:02.000 I'm not going to second that, mostly because I think we all know that precedent by a court doesn't matter anymore in this country, and people violate laws anytime they want.
00:04:12.000 So for me, if I violate this law, it's because I want a court to pay attention to it.
00:04:18.000 Ari, so she's saying that people break laws all the time. 0.98
00:04:21.000 I will therefore openly break a law.
00:04:23.000 I mean, she should go to federal prison. 1.00
00:04:26.000 Am I ahead of myself here?
00:04:30.000 Well, she should probably go to state prison. 1.00
00:04:32.000 Yeah, this is the modern-day nullification crisis.
00:04:35.000 This is a matter where a state commissioner – and by the way, she prevailed.
00:04:38.000 It was a two-to-one vote to count votes that by state law are illegal votes.
00:04:43.000 They voted to count them in Bucks County, two to one.
00:04:45.000 She nullified the state law. 1.00
00:04:48.000 And what did the Democratic governor of the state of Pennsylvania do?
00:04:51.000 He sat there silently as his laws were being nullified in this county.
00:04:55.000 He waited till the state Supreme Court ruled to show any courage and to say anything.
00:05:00.000 And that's just the one county in which a commissioner was brazen enough to say it.
00:05:04.000 In many other counties throughout Pennsylvania, it was going on without them bragging about it.
00:05:10.000 The Democrats tried, unsuccessfully I have to say, but they tried to overturn state law by going to the courts to get favorable rulings.
00:05:19.000 And that's the vulnerability of our system.
00:05:21.000 All it takes is a friendly judge or a friendly commissioner to agree that state law no longer matters.
00:05:28.000 The rules that everybody agreed to play by no longer matters.
00:05:31.000 And therefore, we're going to count votes in Democratic counties.
00:05:34.000 And it wasn't just Bucks County.
00:05:36.000 It was several counties.
00:05:38.000 Now, if McCormick's lead, Charlie, had been 1,000 votes or 2,000 votes, I guarantee you that recount would still be going on today.
00:05:45.000 We had a big enough cushion to fight it, resist it, and not let them find enough friendly judges or friendly commissioners to flip the balance.
00:05:55.000 But that's the real lesson.
00:05:57.000 In a close race, all it takes is a few friendly judges or commissioners.
00:06:02.000 And that's the formula.
00:06:04.000 That's what Republicans in every state have to be on the lookout for.
00:06:06.000 They have to blow the whistle.
00:06:07.000 What we did in McCormick's race was every time we found any Democratic attempt to overturn the law through a court, We blew the whistle.
00:06:16.000 We shined a light.
00:06:17.000 We let everybody know that this is illegal.
00:06:20.000 They're trying to call it legal.
00:06:21.000 They're looking for a friendly judge to make it so.
00:06:24.000 Now, they didn't find the friendly judges, not enough of them in Pennsylvania to prevail, and our margin was too big.
00:06:29.000 But that's what they did to Norm Coleman when they flipped the race when Senator Norm Coleman won in Minnesota and rewarded that race instead to Al Franken.
00:06:37.000 The Democrat, that's how they go around the country and close races and turn illegal votes into legal votes. 0.94
00:06:46.000 I mean, so just I want to recap and then I have a very specific question on how we solve it.
00:06:51.000 Just the margin was so disturbingly vanishing, Ari, because it seemed as if you guys were floating around like a 39 to 40,000 vote cushion, if I remember correctly.
00:07:03.000 And then next thing you know, it goes down to like 18,000 votes, which I think was right near the final margin.
00:07:08.000 Yeah.
00:07:08.000 How did that happen?
00:07:09.000 Where did these votes come from?
00:07:11.000 Charlie, a lot of that was legitimate.
00:07:13.000 That's called provisional ballots and the provisional ballots in Pennsylvania historically do break in favor of the Democrats.
00:07:20.000 Provisional ballots are legal ballots.
00:07:22.000 Now, there are provisional ballots that should not be counted and many of them were not counted because we made sure they weren't counted.
00:07:29.000 What the Democrats were trying to do was have provisional ballots All of them, whether they don't have a secrecy envelope, whether they weren't signed, they weren't dated, all which state law says they must be, they wanted to count those two.
00:07:44.000 And so it was legitimate for our lead to shrink because the provisional ballots just do tend to favor Democrats.
00:07:53.000 But the Democrats wanted to count every single provisional ballot, and we stopped them.
00:07:58.000 There were illegal provisionals, provisionals that should not count.
00:08:01.000 And if those had counted, That's where they would have tried to flip the election.
00:08:06.000 So it's a little complicated, but that's where it came down to.
00:08:10.000 So let's kind of move forward on how to solve it.
00:08:13.000 So you guys had a great campaign on the Dave McCormick side, well-funded, sophisticated.
00:08:18.000 But not everyone running for office has that kind of infrastructure, Ari.
00:08:22.000 Does not have that kind of team, that kind of tenacity.
00:08:25.000 And Dave deserves a lot of credit for his willingness to fight and scrap and hustle.
00:08:30.000 So let's just...
00:08:31.000 What can be done broadly or in other campaigns to prevent this kind of nonsense?
00:08:37.000 Because Pennsylvania is not the worst offender in the country.
00:08:39.000 I mean, California, I think, is still counting ballots.
00:08:41.000 I mean that.
00:08:41.000 It's unbelievable.
00:08:43.000 How can this be applied to other races?
00:08:46.000 Citizens have the power, actually.
00:08:48.000 What Donald Trump did by blowing the whistle in 2020, when Whether people agree or don't agree, it was stolen or not stolen.
00:08:55.000 He put the issue front and center for people to be alarmed and on their toes.
00:08:58.000 And so what happens is citizens now, if they see something going on at a polling place, they take a video of it.
00:09:04.000 They let everybody know it goes viral.
00:09:07.000 Our lawyers see it.
00:09:08.000 It lights up the sky.
00:09:10.000 And therefore, we can dig in and say, is this a legitimate complaint that somebody posted on social media?
00:09:16.000 Or is it they didn't understand the law and it actually is okay?
00:09:19.000 We pursued all of that.
00:09:21.000 Thanks to citizens posting about it.
00:09:23.000 So that's where the first level of vigilance comes from.
00:09:26.000 The second level of vigilance, again, I credit Donald Trump for this.
00:09:30.000 It's because of him he put Michael Watley at the Republican National Committee as the chairman, and the National Republican Senatorial Committee took it seriously too and gave us a lot of resources during the recount to fight this tooth and nail.
00:09:42.000 They brought in a ton of lawyers, smart lawyers who knew the law, who were ready to fight to help us to prevail and knock down the Democrat lawyers.
00:09:50.000 So the Republican infrastructure rose to the occasion and fought like Tooth and nail.
00:09:57.000 And also citizens.
00:09:59.000 I mean, I really emphasize that when I say the power of a citizen who sees something wrong on election day takes a video, if a bus pulls up and they see a bunch of people get off the bus who are escorted to the front of the line, you know, we want to know about that.
00:10:13.000 It could be legitimate, but we're going to make darn sure it's legitimate.
00:10:16.000 So a lot happened where people learned the lessons of 2020 that helped put us in a stronger position in 2024 to fight it.
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00:11:19.000 So Ari Fleischer has been on the side of the podium that Caroline Levitt would be on.
00:11:27.000 I have two questions here, Ari.
00:11:29.000 We have five minutes to get through them.
00:11:30.000 Number one, what is your advice to Caroline Levitt?
00:11:32.000 She's capable, she's talented, but she's young. 0.69
00:11:35.000 So what do you wish you would have known?
00:11:40.000 Going into that job.
00:11:43.000 She's in a totally different era than I was when I was in that job.
00:11:46.000 When I was in that job, America still relied on the mainstream media for better or worse to tell them what was happening.
00:11:52.000 That era's over, Charlie, as you know.
00:11:55.000 I wrote an op-ed in The Hill a couple weeks ago where I advocated that the 49 seats in the briefing room no longer go to the New York Times, CBS, ABC, NBC, The Washington Post, the mainstream media.
00:12:09.000 The front rows should move to the back rows, or they shouldn't get a seat at all. 0.96
00:12:13.000 And the front rows should now be alternative sources.
00:12:18.000 It should be conservative media.
00:12:19.000 It should be podcasts.
00:12:20.000 It should be talk radio.
00:12:22.000 It should be respectable social media influencers.
00:12:27.000 That's how Americans get their news these days.
00:12:29.000 People no longer get their news from the mainstream media.
00:12:33.000 And that room is a throwback to the 1980s, and so I urge them to modernize the room, put it in tune with how people consume news today.
00:12:41.000 What does that look like?
00:12:42.000 That looks like you allow the front rows to be filled with conservative media, the Daily Examiner, the Daily Wire, somebody from your show, Charlie, somebody from Joe Rogan's show, a producer.
00:12:53.000 It looks like the way people get their news.
00:12:56.000 And plus, The media are activists.
00:12:59.000 They take sides.
00:13:00.000 Nobody should pretend anymore that CBS, NBC, the New York Times are neutral.
00:13:04.000 They're not.
00:13:05.000 They're anti-Trump.
00:13:06.000 Trump should get people in the front rows who ask him legitimate, good, earnest, hard questions.
00:13:12.000 But not everything is a game of destruction where they just want to take the president down.
00:13:17.000 The American people would be better served with a more modernized media room, and so will Donald Trump.
00:13:22.000 Well, you kind of took it out of my mouth, the question out of my mouth, which was like, is it crazy?
00:13:30.000 Does it have to still be this like ossified thing in that same room?
00:13:33.000 Can they find a bigger room like where it's more modern and it's more, I don't know, like podcast-y?
00:13:40.000 Do you know what I mean, Ari?
00:13:41.000 Where it's a little less like this.
00:13:44.000 Let's be honest.
00:13:44.000 When a Republican is in office, it's like a Moscow show trial.
00:13:48.000 Right?
00:13:49.000 When it's a Democrat, it's just like a, I don't know, it's like a rotary meeting or something.
00:13:53.000 I don't know.
00:13:54.000 It's just boring.
00:13:55.000 You know?
00:13:56.000 Is there a way to aesthetically modernize it?
00:14:00.000 Do you recommend that?
00:14:02.000 Because new media is multidimensional and the media is laughing like, oh, Joe Rogan's in the front row.
00:14:09.000 He gets more views than all of you guys.
00:14:11.000 All of you.
00:14:12.000 Ari, your thoughts?
00:14:14.000 I think you can stay with the 49 seats in that briefing room, just put better More neutral or more fair reporters in those seats, fair to Donald Trump.
00:14:24.000 I do think you could find another place in the White House that would allow what you're talking about, an audio, a video component, and physically there's just not that much space, certainly not in the West Wing.
00:14:35.000 You'd have to gut the briefing room to do it there, and that's not going to be in the cards.
00:14:40.000 You could find another room to do what you're talking about, but the briefing room is more important.
00:14:45.000 Who sits in those 49 seats?
00:14:47.000 Who asks the questions?
00:14:49.000 How come none of the reporters previously thought it was even remotely possible that the coronavirus originated in a Chinese lab?
00:14:57.000 Wouldn't we all as a country be better off if there were people sitting in those seats who thought that's a legitimate line of inquiry?
00:15:03.000 And they ask those type of questions.
00:15:06.000 The whole media before it was out to get Trump, when it came to collusion, when it came to the Steele dossier, they've proved incapable of being fair or neutral.
00:15:16.000 And They're losing viewers and readers.
00:15:18.000 That's not where the action is.
00:15:20.000 The action is with the new media.
00:15:22.000 It's with people like you, Charlie, and it's people like we've just been talking about.
00:15:26.000 And that's who should occupy certainly the front rows of those 49 seats, and I could make the case for all 49 seats.
00:15:34.000 Ari, I love it.
00:15:35.000 You are a great man.
00:15:36.000 Really appreciate it.
00:15:36.000 Thank you so much.
00:15:37.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:15:38.000 Always great to be on with you.
00:15:40.000 Thank you.
00:15:40.000 I want to think about that.
00:15:41.000 It really is a brave new era, not enough for the record.
00:15:43.000 I'm not going to push to be in the front row of the White House press briefing room asking a question.
00:15:49.000 But if they ask me, I will certainly accept.
00:15:51.000 Just for the record.
00:15:52.000 Just so everyone is clear.
00:15:54.000 The record has been set.
00:15:56.000 That is not something I'm asking for.
00:15:58.000 But if I'm invited, I will certainly participate.
00:16:01.000 And the honest truth, and I mean this not every day, but as like a guest or whatever.
00:16:07.000 The honest truth, though, is that me, Blake, Andrew, whatever, whoever ends up, if that were to happen, would ask far better, more substantive questions for the American people than CNN or MSNBC. Even if there are my friends, even if it's Caroline Levitt or whatever, it would actually be an interesting question that the people want answered.
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00:17:45.000 Joining us now is Heather McDonald, author of the book When Race Trumps Merit.
00:17:51.000 Heather, welcome back to the program. 0.81
00:17:53.000 We have the bombshell news yesterday of Daniel Penny being acquitted.
00:18:00.000 Remarkably so.
00:18:01.000 I just want to ask a reaction, Heather.
00:18:03.000 Were you shocked by this?
00:18:04.000 Were you surprised by this?
00:18:05.000 Well, I was surprised because if only because the...
00:18:09.000 The deadlocked jury on the reckless homicide charge meant that there was at least one juror who wanted to convict, as well as one juror at least who wanted to acquit.
00:18:22.000 And so if they throw out the most serious charge, you'd think that that one juror who was willing to convict on reckless homicide with a 12-year prison sentence Would be even more willing to convict on the lesser charge of criminally negligent homicide, and yet you got a unanimous acquittal verdict.
00:18:41.000 So just from the mechanics, I was surprised as far as the larger picture of which way did I think this would go.
00:18:49.000 As you know, Charlie, I'm a pessimist by nature, and so I'm...
00:18:54.000 I believe too much that people are way too susceptible to the race hustle.
00:18:58.000 I live in an extremely left-wing city, so I was not at all confident that justice would be done here.
00:19:07.000 It's not really done.
00:19:09.000 Nothing can give a penny back the year that he spent in hell.
00:19:14.000 I'm sure he's going to be a pariah in certain circles for the rest of his life.
00:19:20.000 But I was absolutely delighted.
00:19:22.000 You know, I'm completely against rioting.
00:19:25.000 I'm completely against the destruction of property.
00:19:27.000 But had there been a guilty verdict here, I think there would have been massive, some sort of civil disobedience that would have been called for.
00:19:36.000 Yeah, so much to go here.
00:19:37.000 This is a hypothetical, but I think it's actually a useful one, Heather.
00:19:40.000 If this would have been a trial that occurred in early 2021 or late 2020, what do you think the verdict would have been?
00:19:49.000 Otherwise, same fact pattern, same everything.
00:19:51.000 Do you think we would have gotten the same conclusion?
00:19:55.000 Good point.
00:19:56.000 The mass psychosis after the George Floyd Rice riots was so great.
00:20:03.000 You had every single mainstream institution without any justification beating its chest saying, woe is me, I'm so racist.
00:20:10.000 I will atone for my own racial sins by massive anti-white male preferences.
00:20:17.000 I'm going to hire people based not on their So yes, this would have been even more of a witch hunt, but it does seem, given the last election, that there has been, finally, there's some people that are pushing back against the race hustle, because that's what this was.
00:20:35.000 They went after Penny because he was a straight white male.
00:20:38.000 Even worse than that, he was a former Marine.
00:20:41.000 He's the embodiment of everything that women's studies majors absolutely loathe. 1.00
00:20:46.000 And if he'd been black, There's very little chance that this would have gone as far as it had. 0.99
00:20:54.000 So, this is a tougher question, but...
00:20:59.000 Is this the beginning of the end or the end of the BLM race hustle?
00:21:03.000 I'm going to play some of the tape here in a second, but they seem to have this playbook that has gone on, which is we are going to threaten riots and burning your homes and your businesses.
00:21:14.000 Give us what we want, including ridiculously over-the-top convictions, especially of white, straight Christian men. 0.84
00:21:24.000 Is this racket coming to an end?
00:21:28.000 The hypocrisy is so extreme at this point that it damn well better.
00:21:34.000 No person should ever be vulnerable to the race hustle again.
00:21:39.000 All these people who are crying these crocodile tears, this lacrimose, performative, sorrow, beating of the chest over Jordan Neely, every single one is the most extraordinary hypocrite.
00:21:54.000 They have never protested The dozens of blacks who were killed every day by other blacks in these barbaric drive-by shootings. 0.79
00:22:02.000 They've not protested the children whose lives have been taken.
00:22:07.000 Ten days after the Daniel Penny Jordan Neely incident on the New York subway, there was a 16-year-old girl in the Bronx who was shot in the head by three assailants while she was sitting in an SUV in a park.
00:22:21.000 She was on life support at the funeral for Jordan Neely when Sharpton was doing his race hustle bit about white vigilantes killing black males and how vulnerable we are.
00:22:35.000 Nobody mentioned Claudia Quanty, the 16-year-old girl who died three days after the funeral.
00:22:41.000 They've never spoken out against black victims.
00:22:44.000 Black Lives Matter don't make a damn bit of difference to these people.
00:22:49.000 All they care about is trying to take white people down. 0.97
00:22:52.000 If they cared about black lives, and we've also supposed to hear about, well, why didn't you, why didn't Daniel Penny go help this poor Jordan Neely?
00:23:00.000 He was just crying out for help as he's, you know, screaming at people allegedly that he's going to kill them.
00:23:06.000 Have they ever done so?
00:23:07.000 Never.
00:23:08.000 I can guarantee you, Charlie, that none of these people who are demeaning Daniel Penny for being a hero, for putting his own life in danger because mentally ill chemical abusers, as Jordan Neely was, psychotics, schizophrenics who were drug abusing are very violent.
00:23:26.000 They're killing people across New York City.
00:23:29.000 None of them have gone up to somebody in that situation and put their own lives at risk, either to help others or to help the mentally ill chemical abuser.
00:23:39.000 So this is all, it's completely fake.
00:23:42.000 It's completely fake.
00:23:44.000 And we should just walk away and say, get your own house in order.
00:23:49.000 We are not responsible at this point for those black-on-black drive-by shootings that are mowing down dozens of innocent black toddlers.
00:23:58.000 That was a wonderful summary.
00:24:00.000 And to put kind of an emphasis on that, as George Orwell would say about Marxism, it was much more about hating rich people than helping poor people.
00:24:09.000 Race Marxism is much more about hating white people than helping black people.
00:24:14.000 Let's play Cut 21, please.
00:24:16.000 We need some black vigilantes. 1.00
00:24:19.000 That's right.
00:24:20.000 People want to jump up and choke us and kill us for being loud?
00:24:28.000 How about we do the same when they attempt to oppress us?
00:24:33.000 Right.
00:24:34.000 I'm tired.
00:24:35.000 Tired.
00:24:36.000 That's amazing.
00:24:38.000 Listen, you want vigilantes?
00:24:40.000 You know who's oppressing whom?
00:24:42.000 Blacks or oppressing whites. 0.94
00:24:44.000 Sorry, it's a fax.
00:24:46.000 Blacks commit about 75% of all Interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites and blacks. 0.98
00:24:53.000 A black person is 35 times more likely to commit an act of violence against a white than a white is against a black.
00:25:01.000 And yet whites are so anti-racist at this point.
00:25:03.000 They're so much the opposite of white supremacists that they turn the other cheek.
00:25:07.000 They turn their eyes away.
00:25:09.000 They don't complain about this.
00:25:11.000 The idea that whites are a threat to blacks is completely ludicrous.
00:25:16.000 And yet it is the it is the conceit that we've been hearing from our Democratic presidents for the last 16, 20 years, whatever the range is from Barack Obama, from from Joe Biden.
00:25:27.000 That is a lie.
00:25:28.000 It's a poisonous lie.
00:25:30.000 And it works hand in hand with this type of ghetto hatred that continues to tear this country apart. 1.00
00:25:38.000 And again, we should just all walk away and say you've got to get your own house in order because white people, white people were the problem. 0.96
00:25:46.000 I mean, nobody can can deny that this country was white supremacists.
00:25:50.000 But now there's not a single institution in the country, Charlie, that is not giving massive privileges to blacks and is hiring blacks way ahead of their qualifications. 0.99
00:26:00.000 It's the same with every academic institution.
00:26:03.000 If you want to go to law school or medical school, you better hope you're black because that'll give you a huge boost into that institution. 1.00
00:26:10.000 It'll give you a huge boost into the medical profession, disregarding your lack of qualifications.
00:26:16.000 So this thing has got to end, and I just don't know how much longer white people are going to allow themselves to be guilt-tripped away from doing the right thing, which is treating everybody equally.
00:26:27.000 On the basis of their qualifications and their character.
00:26:30.000 The undisputed mythology of modernity is that whites are oppressing blacks.
00:26:38.000 It turns out that's not true.
00:26:39.000 It's actually the opposite that is true.
00:26:41.000 Let's continue.
00:26:42.000 Playcut 36. Because to be real, they didn't even try.
00:26:45.000 Once the lesser charge was removed, they came back an hour later and said it was deadlocked.
00:26:51.000 Less than an hour and 20 minutes later, they said not guilty.
00:26:55.000 These wonderful white people, I hope they celebrate their Christmas while the Neely family is praying and asking God for comfort.
00:27:03.000 God damn them and God damn America. 0.96
00:27:07.000 What has the Neely family done for Jordan Neely?
00:27:10.000 What has that woman done for Jordan Neely? 1.00
00:27:12.000 Nothing.
00:27:14.000 This thing is just preposterous.
00:27:17.000 We all felt after the election that maybe racial reconciliation and at least the Hispanics are kind of moving towards Republicans and people were hoping for blacks. 0.98
00:27:27.000 This has been a very depressing moment.
00:27:30.000 I saw the racialization from the start, and to my absolute disgust, you had the prosecution in this case also playing the race card and accentuating that Penny was white, which has nothing to do with the incident.
00:27:46.000 But it's been worse afterwards.
00:27:48.000 This is really, really poisonous stuff that's being said here.
00:27:54.000 And again, all these people are just play-acting.
00:27:57.000 They have not done anything to help the mentally ill chemical abusers. 0.66
00:28:02.000 And the government also has its hands are very dirty in this case.
00:28:06.000 For them to have the gall to charge Penny with reckless homicide, with being reckless towards the possibility that his effort to restrain Neely, to protect his fellow passengers, carried a risk of death.
00:28:22.000 The government in New York State and New York City is not reckless with regards to the risk of death from these mentally ill, violent chemical... 0.97
00:28:34.000 It is certain that more people will die by allowing these people to remain on the streets and they do nothing about it.
00:28:42.000 They are the ones who are responsible for Jordan Neely's death, and they're also responsible for the three people who were stabbed to death by a mentally ill vagrant on November 18th in the city, because it is a certainty that these people will act out violently.
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00:30:03.000 Heather MacDonald is the best.
00:30:05.000 I just love having her on.
00:30:06.000 Her books are terrific.
00:30:07.000 I've read several of them, including The Diversity Delusion.
00:30:11.000 She was way ahead of the curve on Diversity Delusion back in 2018. Heather, you could argue that The Diversity Delusion was kind of the beginning warning slash critique of woke before that was in the main zeitgeist of forced hiring practices, admission standards, and how it brings down everybody.
00:30:31.000 Then you wrote When Race Trumps Merit a couple years ago.
00:30:35.000 I know that you are pessimistic by nature.
00:30:37.000 However, I'm going to try to force you into a posture of optimism here.
00:30:40.000 Are you seeing a societal rebuke of these practices and set of ideas?
00:30:46.000 Enough to give you a little bit of hope.
00:30:49.000 A little bit of hope.
00:30:50.000 Absolutely, Charlie, I am.
00:30:51.000 Good.
00:30:52.000 You have these corporations.
00:30:53.000 Sorry to cave so easily, we should have had a better fight.
00:30:57.000 But, you know, the reaction to the penny verdict and the reaction to the assassination of the healthcare CEO... That makes me more pessimistic again.
00:31:09.000 But nevertheless, clearly we've had corporations that have said, okay, we went through the charade of pretending that we're racist organizations and we're going to increase our percentage of blacks in a completely unrealistic way given the academic skills gap.
00:31:26.000 And many of them now have thrown that aside.
00:31:30.000 So that's a very good sign.
00:31:33.000 And the election, obviously, was also a very good sign.
00:31:36.000 I didn't see that one coming.
00:31:37.000 My pessimist nature means that I've lost four steak bet dinners on the outcome, which I'm very happy to pay up because I always believe in...
00:31:45.000 Being pleasantly surprised rather than disappointed.
00:31:48.000 You optimists get so much disappointment.
00:31:51.000 But I think maybe, maybe there's people that say we're not going to take this any longer.
00:31:59.000 The red state governors have been doing great things of just saying, wait a minute, we're just not going to pay for these completely parasitic, unnecessary efforts. 0.87
00:32:10.000 Hostile bureaucracies on college campuses.
00:32:13.000 And the federal government, assuming Trump isn't assassinated, I have enough of a pessimist that I worry about that.
00:32:23.000 But J.D. Vance would take over.
00:32:26.000 Unlike Harris, there's somebody who's actually ready to take over the presidency.
00:32:30.000 But anyway, we shouldn't be talking about these dark matters.
00:32:33.000 But he's now got the anti- White male ideology in his sights, whether it's going to be Jay Bhattacharya removing all the race and gender preferences from scientific research grants, Stephen Miller, who's going to go after the regulations that are hostile to white males.
00:32:56.000 So it's possible that, especially if we had 12 years in the White House, we would get at least this insanity out of government.
00:33:06.000 So that's only two minutes remaining here, Heather.
00:33:09.000 Just can you even be more specific?
00:33:10.000 Office of Civil Rights Now, staffed by Harmeet Dillon.
00:33:13.000 We have Stephen Miller.
00:33:14.000 We have a whole all-star team of very technical, capable people.
00:33:17.000 Russ, vote of where you think we can really fight this race, diversity, DEI, Leviathan that has been strangling the country. 1.00
00:33:26.000 What can we do?
00:33:27.000 Take out any mention of race and sex in anything having to do with government, unless it is saying you must treat everybody equally.
00:33:37.000 But if it talks about equity, if it says we are going to give scientific grants to black people or gay people or, God forbid, females, just because we think that being female is an accomplishment or being gay is an accomplishment, get rid of those regulations and go to Congress and say, get rid of those regulations and go to Congress and say, get rid of disparate Disparate impact is a completely poisonous idea that is the end of civilization.
00:34:03.000 Disparate impact says that if you have a standard of behavior that says you will be law-abiding and that has a disparate impact on black criminals, you get rid of the standard rather than saying, how about you obey the law?
00:34:16.000 If you have a standard that says doctors have to be qualified to practice medicine, if that has a disparate impact on minority applicants, you get rid of the standard because it has disparate impact.
00:34:26.000 We've got to get rid of that concept.
00:34:28.000 I had not heard about Harmeet Dillon.
00:34:30.000 That's breaking news on this show, Charlie.
00:34:33.000 That's fantastic.
00:34:35.000 So, you know, they can do a lot.
00:34:38.000 The Code of Federal Registration is just a complete landmine for anti-white male hatred.
00:34:44.000 Let's bring civilization back.
00:34:46.000 Let's be proud of what Western civilization gave the world, which is prosperity, fairness, equality, and the ability to realize your own potential.
00:34:56.000 Heather, thank you.
00:34:57.000 We have an all-star team of people that are going to use the power given to the executive branch to fight back against this.
00:35:03.000 It's an exciting time to be alive.
00:35:04.000 Heather, thank you so much.
00:35:05.000 Come back anytime.
00:35:07.000 Wonderful work.
00:35:07.000 Thank you.
00:35:08.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:09.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.