The Charlie Kirk Show - A Foreign Policy Expert's Take on Israel-Palestine with Dr. Sebastian Gorka

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00:00:17.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:19.000 I had the incredible honor of having a one-on-one conversation with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.

00:00:26.000 If you are confused about the state of our foreign policy, you're not alone.

00:00:31.000 Everybody's confused.

00:00:33.000 We don't know how the conflict started, where it's going, and why the heck are the Democrats so angry at Israel?

00:00:39.000 Dr. Gorka has the clarity, the vision, the experience, and he gives it to all of you.

00:00:44.000 We also talk about the GOP.

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00:00:48.000 What's going on with voter integrity? 1.00

00:00:49.000 You're not going to want to miss this chock full conversation with the one and only Spash Gorka.

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00:01:29.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:32.000 This is Andrew Colvett, affectionately known around these parts as producer Andrew.

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00:01:48.000 So in his stead, here I am, but more importantly, we have the one and only Dr. Sebastian Gorka from American First Salem Zone joining us.

00:01:57.000 We're so honored to have you, Dr. Gorka.

00:01:59.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:01.000 Producer Andrew, greetings.

00:02:03.000 It's an honor to be with you.

00:02:05.000 Well, we couldn't be more excited to have you.

00:02:07.000 There's a lot that we need to make sense of in the world today.

00:02:10.000 And I know our audience is going to be very excited to hear from you specifically.

00:02:14.000 We touched on this yesterday.

00:02:16.000 I just want to jump right in here.

00:02:19.000 We had Michael Knowles.

00:02:21.000 We were talking about the Israel conflict that is all over the news.

00:02:25.000 Everything, I mean, I'm looking at my monitor.

00:02:27.000 Fox News is leading with it basically non-stop right now.

00:02:30.000 Newsmax the same.

00:02:33.000 You are an expert on international affairs, foreign affairs.

00:02:37.000 You've got a lot of background in that.

00:02:38.000 I'm excited to talk to you about it specifically because I think a lot of people are confused.

00:02:43.000 It's such an opaque origin story.

00:02:47.000 I mean, this is a story that goes back to Zionism in the 1800s and the early 1900s.

00:02:53.000 And, you know, there's this conflict over the land.

00:02:56.000 Who owns the land?

00:02:56.000 Where does it come from?

00:02:58.000 Where should we start?

00:03:00.000 How do people need to start thinking about this Israel conflict?

00:03:03.000 Why is it happening now?

00:03:04.000 Make some sense of it.

00:03:05.000 Make some sense of it.

00:03:06.000 Well, let's start with a tweet my friend Arsene Ostrovsky just posted.

00:03:13.000 And it's a picture of him with his little baby on his shoulder hiding in a bomb shelter in Israel.

00:03:22.000 And he simply says here, 3 a.m. in Tel Aviv, hashtag Israel under attack from Hamas, and I'm shielding my baby in the bomb shelter.

00:03:35.000 That's the reality.

00:03:36.000 Now we can delve into the minutiae of Sheikh Jarrah, this region of East Jerusalem where there's been violence in the past few days because of Ramadan and between the local Arab residents and the Jews who live there.

00:03:56.000 But that's really irrelevant.

00:03:58.000 You don't want to get lost in the minutiae.

00:03:59.000 That territory since 1967, including Gaza and West Bank, that was captured by Israel.

00:04:06.000 This is a nation that rebirthed itself after the Holocaust, after Shoah in 1948.

00:04:13.000 And they said, This is our ancestral homeland.

00:04:16.000 To be clear here, Islam, Islam started 600 years after Christianity.

00:04:23.000 Judaism is a little bit older than even Christianity. 0.62

00:04:27.000 So the idea that these are Palestinian territories or Arab territories or Muslim territories is utter propaganda.

00:04:35.000 It is fallacious.

00:04:36.000 This is the home of the Jewish and Israeli people. 1.00

00:04:41.000 After six million of them were murdered during World War II, they reestablished Israel.

00:04:47.000 We supported them.

00:04:49.000 This tiny little island of democracy, of representative government that is multi-ethnic, that has all types of individuals in the Knesset, all shades of skin color, all ethnicity, all socioeconomic background.

00:05:05.000 That is our closest friend in the Middle East.

00:05:08.000 And they are under constant, constant attack.

00:05:11.000 And let's be clear here.

00:05:12.000 Don't take my word for it.

00:05:13.000 Don't take Dr. G's word for it.

00:05:15.000 Go online.

00:05:17.000 Look at the footage just in my Twitter feed today, just the photographs of the rockets landing on Jewish schools in Jerusalem.

00:05:26.000 I just have to say a prayer that God bless the Iron Dome.

00:05:30.000 The footage of these rockets being intercepted by the Raphael Iron Dome system is absolutely incredible.

00:05:36.000 But look, it boils down to one question or one representation of what's going on. 1.00

00:05:42.000 We have one side that will destroy, destroy the Jews. 0.92

00:05:47.000 We have the other that wants peace. 0.99

00:05:50.000 It is simply that simple. 0.83

00:05:53.000 If the Arabs, if the Palestinians laid down their arms, there would be peace. 0.96

00:06:00.000 If Israel laid down their arms, there would be another Holocaust. 0.95

00:06:05.000 That's all your listeners need to know. 1.00

00:06:08.000 I completely agree.

00:06:09.000 But Dr. G, I want to talk about this, the muddying of the waters that's happening.

00:06:15.000 And, you know, Charlie's in his 20s.

00:06:18.000 I'm in my early 30s.

00:06:20.000 This is a debate that it felt like it crystallized, you know, in older generations, in past presidencies.

00:06:28.000 And to Joe Biden's small credit, I'll give him small credit.

00:06:35.000 He's trying to create a new sort of wave of the Democrat Party.

00:06:39.000 He wants to be the new progressive leader.

00:06:41.000 He wants to be FDR.

00:06:42.000 He's turning out to be more like Jimmy Carter. 0.66

00:06:44.000 But he is at least somewhat paying some lip service to Israel in this.

00:06:48.000 And now I've got critiques.

00:06:50.000 Gen Saki's basically chastising them.

00:06:52.000 I know all the details, but it's a far cry from what's happening with Rashida Tlaib, who was spotted in DC, by the way, with a sign.

00:07:00.000 It's somebody who's with her.

00:07:02.000 It says, Israel is the same as Nazi Germany.

00:07:04.000 And this was at an anti-Israel protest in D.C.

00:07:08.000 And Rashida Tlaib was the guest speaker.

00:07:10.000 So at least there's a little bit of stability at the very top.

00:07:15.000 Again, I have my critiques.

00:07:16.000 We can critique it.

00:07:17.000 But as you get younger and younger and younger, this debate is getting muddied even on the right.

00:07:22.000 You know, I saw a tweet.

00:07:24.000 It was a question from a friend of ours of the show, Eliza Schaefer from The Blaze, asking a very honest question.

00:07:29.000 He said, I always hear everybody say that Israel is our greatest ally, but why?

00:07:36.000 You know, he's like, we spend a lot of money helping them with their defense.

00:07:39.000 What do we get in return?

00:07:41.000 So what I'm seeing is that even amongst younger conservatives, this debate is getting more confusing for them.

00:07:48.000 I mean, how do we make sense of that and how do we reverse it?

00:07:53.000 Well, first things first, I have to push back on your depiction of Biden.

00:07:58.000 Biden has no stance.

00:08:00.000 Biden is a shell. 0.53

00:08:01.000 He's a cipher. 1.00

00:08:03.000 He's a senile old man who can't even read the teleprompter.

00:08:06.000 The idea that he represents some kind of reasonable balance against the anti-Semitic members of the squad like Rashida Talib or AOC, who even supported proudly and to this day supports the anti-Semitic BDS movement.

00:08:22.000 If you're perceiving that, Andrew, I think that's just a temporary.

00:08:28.000 He may be trying to posit that, but he'll genuflect.

00:08:32.000 He'll bow down to the extremists given any pressure.

00:08:35.000 So with regards to.

00:08:37.000 I agree with you on that.

00:08:38.000 I do have dramatic differences of opinion with the way he's handling this.

00:08:44.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:08:45.000 What I'm saying is that even his own party, the left wing, is mad at him right now because he's not going full fledge on the on in defense of the ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians.

00:08:56.000 But on the record, on the record, his Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken, just gave $234 million to the Palestinian Authority, which is two weeks ago.

00:09:08.000 And what happens?

00:09:09.000 Rockets are launched yesterday.

00:09:12.000 So that's his Secretary of State.

00:09:15.000 Well, and these rockets are coming from Iran, right?

00:09:19.000 And so we can take a lot further and their posture towards Iran is disastrous. 0.55

00:09:23.000 Right.

00:09:23.000 We can talk about Iran and the JCPOA in another segment.

00:09:27.000 But look, you're absolutely right. 0.99

00:09:30.000 This is incredibly, you use the phrase muddied. 0.83

00:09:34.000 It's muddied on purpose, you know, on the left and right. 0.95

00:09:38.000 And people who ring into my show, who challenge me on my love for Israel, I don't want to have anything to do with them.

00:09:45.000 You know, the young Pat Buchananides who think that Israel is the problem.

00:09:50.000 Israel's only a problem if you believe in representative government and you believe in freedom and liberty.

00:09:58.000 If you want to side with terrorists, I mean, I tweeted it out today, very simply. 0.93

00:10:02.000 I stand with Israel and I want all the terrorists to be crushed under hellfire. 0.97

00:10:09.000 It's that simple, okay? 0.98

00:10:10.000 And the idea that somehow Israel is the problem. 0.98

00:10:13.000 Israel is a tiny, tiny country of a couple of million people surrounded by a sea of dozens of Arab and Muslim states. 0.91

00:10:23.000 And Israel's the problem? 0.99

00:10:24.000 Come on, guys.

00:10:26.000 Israel, we have a culture, not just amongst the Arab fundamentalists, but in the Palestinian territories of Gaza, of the West Bank.

00:10:34.000 I've been there. 0.97

00:10:35.000 I've been to Israel at least a dozen times teaching a culture of death.

00:10:39.000 Israelis don't teach a culture of death.

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00:11:39.000 Now, Dr. Gorka, they've already lobbed over a thousand rockets at Israel. 0.55

00:11:45.000 These are rockets likely that come from Iran. 0.73

00:11:49.000 We're talking about unfreezing billions of dollars of money so that Iran can continue to fund terrorism throughout the Middle East.

00:11:58.000 But this is, I think, you know, you and I are having a conversation about the changing view of Israel and why it's so important that the conservatives stand by Israel in the region because Israel is a culture of life. 0.64

00:12:11.000 Hamas and the terrorists, designated terrorists are culture of death.

00:12:15.000 But I don't know that that message is getting through.

00:12:18.000 And what can we do to educate people?

00:12:21.000 What do they need to know?

00:12:22.000 What's the linchpin that they need to know about how this is?

00:12:25.000 This is not ethnic cleansing, right, Dr. Gorko?

00:12:27.000 It's not, right?

00:12:29.000 This is not apartheid.

00:12:30.000 This is not, you know, Israel is not the Nazis.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, and no, Israel are not the Nazis.

00:12:35.000 The Nazis tried to exterminate all the Jews on the planet.

00:12:38.000 So it's just, what bizarro world are we living in where we're seeing Rashida Tlaib, who, by the way, said that as an American congresswoman, she's proud of her Palestinian identity.

00:12:51.000 You kind of think, what?

00:12:52.000 Hang on a second.

00:12:53.000 There's a problem here.

00:12:55.000 You know, it's Ilhan Omar, who another member of the squad says that Israel is all about the Benjamins and that it's an evil nation that has hypnotized the West.

00:13:05.000 Well, let's just stop for a second, guys.

00:13:07.000 You don't have to read the book I wrote about this issue, you know, Defeating Jihad, which walks you through everything you need to know about these groups.

00:13:17.000 But what is the culture? 0.68

00:13:19.000 What are the values of the people who are fighting the Israelis? 0.80

00:13:22.000 So let's say, let's just ignore what Israel is for a second. 0.59

00:13:26.000 Maybe you think they're the bad guys. 0.75

00:13:28.000 What is the culture of those who are now lobbying those Katusha rockets onto Israeli schools? 1.00

00:13:35.000 It's a culture of Muslim fundamentalism. 1.00

00:13:40.000 It is worship of the jihadi suicide bomber. 0.98

00:13:44.000 The Palestinian authority pays the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. 1.00

00:13:52.000 It is a culture of extremism, where if you are an infidel, meaning a Christian or a Jew or an apostate Muslim, you must be killed. 0.99

00:14:03.000 And it is fundamentally a culture of theocratic dictatorship. 0.98

00:14:09.000 We Christians believe in religion, but we understand when Jesus said, render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

00:14:16.000 There is the state and there is religion. 0.90

00:14:18.000 There is no distinction in the Muslim world between the two.

00:14:23.000 The Quran, I've read it.

00:14:24.000 You need to read it. 0.99

00:14:25.000 There is the idea that you can separate politics from religion is un-Islamic to true believers. 0.95

00:14:33.000 So if you don't like Israel, guess what? 0.97

00:14:36.000 You are, by dint of that decision, siding with Muslim theocratic fundamentalists who worship suicide bombers. 0.94

00:14:46.000 I don't think that's very American. 0.95

00:14:46.000 I don't know. 0.95

00:14:50.000 Well, Dr. Gorga, I think you are absolutely right.

00:14:54.000 Of course, we see eye to eye on this, but you forgot an important one.

00:14:57.000 You forgot Rashida Talib saying that she gets warm feelings when she thinks about 9-11.

00:15:02.000 You know, it's like, no, or was it the Holocaust?

00:15:05.000 No, no, it was the Holocaust. 0.79

00:15:05.000 Either or. 0.79

00:15:07.000 And then it was Ilkhan Omer saying that in 9-11, some people did something.

00:15:07.000 No, no.

00:15:15.000 Not 3,000 Americans killed in 102 minutes.

00:15:18.000 No, no, no.

00:15:19.000 Some people did something.

00:15:21.000 That, I mean, this is the broader.

00:15:23.000 If you're not interested in foreign policy, and very few Americans are, that's okay.

00:15:27.000 The broader, the more important issue is the Democrat Party has been taken over by the radicals.

00:15:34.000 This is the reality.

00:15:36.000 A few generations ago, JFK, JFK, okay, Democrat president, would not be allowed into the Democrat Party today.

00:15:45.000 Scoob Jackson would not be.

00:15:47.000 If you are pro-life, if you're strong on national security, if you don't hate America, you can't be a Democrat today.

00:15:54.000 And that's where it all begins.

00:15:55.000 You have to hate America to be a Democrat.

00:15:58.000 I strongly believe that if there was a pro-American socialist, if Liz Warren actually got behind very pro-American ideas, she would take over the country.

00:16:13.000 If we had a pro-American sort of left of center, probably far left, let's be honest, populist leader in this country, perhaps like Elizabeth Warren, perhaps somebody else, that message I believe would resonate like none other right now.

00:16:29.000 Just given where the country is at, I fear that that would be a devastating blow.

00:16:35.000 So I'm actually sort of relieved that that person hasn't emerged.

00:16:37.000 What's your thought?

00:16:39.000 So I dearly hope, I presume it isn't the case, but I dearly hope there are no Democrat strategists listening to Charlie's show right now.

00:16:49.000 Just yeah, media matter.

00:16:50.000 Hey, are you there?

00:16:52.000 Hey, Zach, get typing because you might like this bit.

00:16:56.000 So if it is not an overstatement to say that in 2016, it wasn't true in the last election because that was just the machine Democrats getting in bed with the radicals.

00:17:15.000 But when it was really Bernie ascending before Hillary stole it from him in 2016, what we witnessed in America, and you can see this elsewhere in other parts of the world, left and right don't really make any sense anymore.

00:17:33.000 The old taxonomy of politics is starting to break down.

00:17:37.000 And what we have are competing populisms.

00:17:40.000 You have the national populism that nations are good.

00:17:46.000 That's like Brexit.

00:17:48.000 That's like Bibi Netanyahu, like Modi in India, where nations should be strong, strong nations, that our democracies are good for the world.

00:17:57.000 And then you have the populism of the socialists, that we need more globalism, more multilateralism.

00:18:04.000 We have to look at the world through material lenses, through class lenses like Bernie.

00:18:10.000 But the weakness that has is that the socialism of the Bernie Sanders and even the Warrens of today, and especially the AOCs and the squad, is anti-American.

00:18:24.000 Anything that is a problem in the world, whether it's climate, whether it's war, whatever it is, is of course because America is guilty.

00:18:32.000 If there were a candidate who came along who said, hey, I love America, but I want more equality and equity, that would be really dangerous.

00:18:43.000 Yeah, that would be really dangerous for conservatives.

00:18:45.000 So I believe my old boss, Donald Trump, is going to run in 2024.

00:18:49.000 I think given the last 117 days in America, I mean, there's a little gas station outside my house.

00:18:55.000 I have never, in 12 years, I've never seen a line outside the gas station.

00:18:58.000 This morning, there was a line.

00:19:00.000 So if what has happened in the last 117 days since Sleepy Creepy took over persists, the Democrats are going to get shellacked.

00:19:11.000 They may try and steal the election again, but they will be shellacked in the House and the Senate.

00:19:17.000 And I think Donald Trump could potentially wall straight back into the White House.

00:19:21.000 So God willing, they're not listening to this because we don't need a Democrat who likes America to be the head of the party.

00:19:27.000 Well, you know, this is what's interesting is that, you know, and I don't actually think we're at risk of this.

00:19:33.000 I want to give you an example of why I think this.

00:19:35.000 Bernie Sanders in 2005 was, he backed an amendment to dismantle the diversity visa lottery and basically eliminate 50,000 green cards.

00:19:45.000 Supported stricter immigration limits.

00:19:50.000 The other thing is you go far enough back, you get Caesar Chavez was going around California beating up illegal immigrants. 0.93

00:19:58.000 I mean, these guys were thugs.

00:20:00.000 People don't like to talk about that anymore. 0.94

00:20:01.000 The left, you know, he's the patron saint of Hispanic Americans.

00:20:05.000 It's not, that's a completely false narrative, as they've done with so much of their ahistorical propaganda.

00:20:14.000 But here's the thing: now the party has completely bullied somebody like Bernie Sanders into accepting this open borders nonsense.

00:20:22.000 I want to read you a quote from Milton Friedman here.

00:20:25.000 He says, it's obvious you can't have free immigration and a welfare state, he warned.

00:20:30.000 So this is the fundamental problem with their entire ideology, their plank right now, that they're saying, hey, open borders.

00:20:37.000 We've got nearly 200,000 abductions at the southern border right now.

00:20:41.000 We've got a plummeting American population.

00:20:45.000 I think our replacement is about 2.1 per mother, 2.1 children per female.

00:20:51.000 We're, I think, around 1.6.

00:20:53.000 So we're not replacing ourselves anymore.

00:20:55.000 So their answer is going to be, let's import the next generation of Americans because diversity is our strength, Dr. Gorka.

00:21:01.000 And, you know, I find this actually kind of an interesting conversation with somebody like yourself because you are an immigrant to America.

00:21:07.000 You have made our country stronger.

00:21:09.000 So it's not that that can't be true, just not like this.

00:21:14.000 Let's not forget that the speech Hillary Clinton gave to a group of bankers before she became the presidential nominee for the Democrat Party, which was leaked.

00:21:24.000 In it, she stated her dream, quote, is to have a borderless hemisphere.

00:21:29.000 That means no border from Canada all the way to the bottom of Latin America.

00:21:34.000 If you have a borderless hemisphere, guess what happens?

00:21:37.000 America ceases to exist.

00:21:39.000 But this isn't some kind of rhetorical flourish behind closed doors to a bunch of people who are paying you half a million dollars to give a 20-minute speech.

00:21:47.000 The current secretary of DHS has said this.

00:21:50.000 I mean, just last week, Alejandro Mayorkas, who's been a radical illegal immigrant proponent before he became a cabinet member in the Biden administration, said that borders should no longer divide us.

00:22:03.000 Well, hang on a second.

00:22:05.000 Then what is the point of a border?

00:22:10.000 What's the point of America?

00:22:11.000 What's the point of our constitution?

00:22:13.000 There is no America left.

00:22:14.000 And, you know, the question is: is there a rational Democrat out there?

00:22:19.000 And right now, I don't see it.

00:22:22.000 Let's go back.

00:22:22.000 I like to hearken back to, you know, I'm a legal immigrant, but let's talk to Americans of your father's generation, your grandfather's generation.

00:22:30.000 JFK, for all his foibles, his affairs, and everything else, was a hardcore patriot.

00:22:36.000 Not only did he serve this nation in uniform, man alive, he went up with Khrushchev toe to toe and he was prepared to blockade Cuba to stop the Soviets putting nuclear missiles 100 miles off the coast of America.

00:22:50.000 And could you imagine a Democrat going toe-to-toe with anyone in terms of not acquiescing to the Kremlin? 0.55

00:22:58.000 I mean, look, can we just one thing in the news?

00:23:01.000 This oil shortage that I'm witnessing outside my house at the gas station, that's 17 states in America.

00:23:08.000 There's no way a private Russian hacking enterprise did that.

00:23:12.000 They did that with the acquiescence of the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin.

00:23:17.000 Why?

00:23:17.000 Because guess what?

00:23:18.000 Donald Trump isn't president.

00:23:21.000 That's how dangerous things have become. 1.00

00:23:23.000 Palestinians are shelling Israelis. 0.93

00:23:25.000 Russia has circled Ukraine.

00:23:29.000 17 states are now having gasoline shortages.

00:23:32.000 And Andrew, we are 117 days into this administration.

00:23:37.000 Right.

00:23:38.000 Yeah, it took us, it took us 100 days to go from energy independence to gas shortages on the eastern seaboard and the highest gas price since 2008 when you adjust for inflation.

00:23:49.000 And it's only going up.

00:23:50.000 It's only going up.

00:23:51.000 And, you know, this is what really irks me, Dr. Gorka, is that the Biden administration has the gall to say when asked about this, you know, this hacking of our grid here, basically our infrastructure, that it's, quote, a private sector decision.

00:24:08.000 You know, talking about how they're, you know, they're handling the gas infrastructure situation.

00:24:15.000 They, I have never, and I don't think this is getting covered because the, you know, the mainstream news media is completely absent here.

00:24:21.000 I mean, somehow Biden is still getting 60%, you know, and that's, I think, honestly, I think it's more than 60% favorable news coverage.

00:24:29.000 They're saying he's getting 60% favorable news coverage.

00:24:32.000 So it's just crickets out there, right?

00:24:34.000 Meanwhile, they are gaslighting the American public.

00:24:36.000 They are rewriting history.

00:24:40.000 We say, oh, it's a crisis at the southern border.

00:24:42.000 It's not a crisis challenge.

00:24:43.000 And we're dealing with it.

00:24:44.000 It's under control.

00:24:45.000 The border's closed.

00:24:46.000 Well, the border's wide open and everybody knows it.

00:24:49.000 All the bad guys know the truth.

00:24:51.000 And the American left is silent in that.

00:24:54.000 So I have a new TV show on Newsmax.

00:24:57.000 It's called the Gorka Reality Check.

00:24:59.000 It's every Sunday night.

00:25:00.000 You guys should check it out.

00:25:01.000 Much needed.

00:25:02.000 And I decided: well, if the mainstream, I'm not a journalist, guys.

00:25:06.000 I'm former deputy to the president who has a radio show.

00:25:09.000 But if the mainstream media isn't going to cover this non-crisis, well, guess what?

00:25:13.000 I'm going to spend a thousand bucks on a camera and some plane tickets.

00:25:17.000 And I took my radio show producer and myself, and we went to the border with a camera.

00:25:23.000 And we got out of the sheriff's truck, his patrol car, within 30 feet of getting out of the truck.

00:25:30.000 We saw more evidence of human trafficking than I filmed it.

00:25:34.000 It was on the show last week.

00:25:36.000 Dozens and dozens of carpet shoes, over shoes that they put on their shoes to mask their tracks through the desert, jugs, marijuana-carrying equipment, camouflage gear.

00:25:49.000 This was in 30 feet of the truck, but there's no crisis.

00:25:53.000 And we have an administration who said we inherited a broken immigration system. 1.00

00:25:59.000 Andrew, they're right. 1.00

00:26:01.000 It was broken because it stopped illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:26:05.000 Now it now fixed them. 1.00

00:26:07.000 Yes, now it's fixed. 0.99

00:26:08.000 6,000 illegal immigrants a day. 0.74

00:26:12.000 That's what the Democrats want. 1.00

00:26:15.000 I love that.

00:26:16.000 So in their own mind, they're not lying.

00:26:18.000 They just haven't told you that they changed the goal, the aim.

00:26:22.000 They moved the goalpost.

00:26:24.000 That's incredible.

00:26:24.000 I mean, I love that take.

00:26:25.000 Federal law enforcement at the U.S.-Mexico border stopped 178,622 people trying to enter the country illegally.

00:26:35.000 Now, what scares me most about it, and I fear it's the least talked about thing, even on the right, we don't talk about this enough, is the gotaways. 0.88

00:26:42.000 We are stretching these border agents so thin, they're catching record numbers of illegals coming to the country. 0.71

00:26:50.000 They can't possibly keep up with everybody that's coming. 0.99

00:26:55.000 They're not allowed to.

00:26:56.000 So watch the footage.

00:26:58.000 We did an interview with Sheriff Lamb of Pinal County.

00:27:01.000 We did an interview with a local rancher who's scared for his life and his family's life.

00:27:06.000 This is what they told us.

00:27:07.000 So this is Pinal County, 60 miles from the border, massive county in Arizona.

00:27:11.000 He's got 200 deputies.

00:27:13.000 Only 25 are on duty at any one time for the whole county.

00:27:17.000 When they pull over a truck, literally, they've got Ford explorers with 24 illegals in them.

00:27:24.000 24. 0.57

00:27:26.000 When they pull them over, if nobody has a criminal record, if the guy who's ferrying 24 illegals across the border, if he doesn't have a criminal record, they have to let them go.

00:27:40.000 Because the feds, DHS, Majorcas, has told CBP, has told ICE, we're not picking, unless they arrest a mass murderer, we're not going to pick him up.

00:27:52.000 So what happens?

00:27:54.000 The sheriff who has to protect that county has to let them go, Andrew.

00:28:00.000 They've been advocating for defund ICE and abolish ICE, and they've essentially done it de facto.

00:28:05.000 And that's what's terrifying, and Americans don't know yet.

00:28:10.000 So have you ever browsed in incognito mode?

00:28:13.000 It's probably not as incognito as you think.

00:28:15.000 And why would it be?

00:28:16.000 Incognito mode, like the Chrome browser itself is a Google product, and Google has made its fortune by tracking your movements online.

00:28:22.000 There's even a $5 billion class action lawsuit against the company in California, where it's accused of secretly collecting user data.

00:28:28.000 Google's defense, incognito, does not mean invisible.

00:28:31.000 So how do you actually make yourself as invisible as possible online, ExpressVPN?

00:28:35.000 Turns out that even in incognito mode, your online activity still gets tracked.

00:28:39.000 And data brokers still get to buy and sell your data.

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00:29:02.000 Best of all, ExpressVPN is super easy to use, no matter what device you're on, phone, laptop, or smart TV.

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00:29:23.000 Reports, you know, mind you, take this with a grain of salt.

00:29:26.000 This is from CNN, but they're saying that all but Representative Ken Buck of Colorado left while Liz Cheney from the Republican side.

00:29:35.000 Are you happy this is happening?

00:29:37.000 Is it once and for all? 0.91

00:29:38.000 Ding dong the witch's jet. 1.00

00:29:39.000 They're dead. 1.00

00:29:40.000 Where are we at?

00:29:41.000 All right.

00:29:41.000 I'll give you the good and the bad news.

00:29:43.000 So the good news is that, you know, as I said today on Twitter, MAGA one rhinos zero.

00:29:52.000 This should have happened a long time ago.

00:29:54.000 She was the conference chair.

00:29:55.000 Now, the conference chair is one job to corral the GOP together on the Hill and to make sure they're all singing off the same sheet of music.

00:30:04.000 It's not to attack the former president or to attack supporters of the president who are also members of the House. 0.90

00:30:11.000 So this woman had a political death wish of some sort.

00:30:15.000 But she said today, and I'm quoting, I just got this off Twitter.

00:30:18.000 She said the following after she was kicked out of her position as the third highest Republican in the House.

00:30:23.000 I will do everything I can to ensure that the former president never again gets anywhere near the Oval Office.

00:30:32.000 I mean, she sounds like AOC.

00:30:35.000 And don't forget, this is the woman who was endorsed in the last week by Nancy Pelosi, the Washington Post, and OJ Simpson. 0.97

00:30:43.000 So this is the perfect exemplar of the Rhino class. 0.99

00:30:47.000 The good news is it's gone. 1.00

00:30:48.000 Bad news is it should have happened right after she voted against President Trump in the impeachment.

00:30:53.000 But here's the broader issue.

00:30:55.000 So right after the election, I met with the very top of the GOP, and I said to them the following thing.

00:31:02.000 If you don't want to be swept into the ash heap of history, in the next few months, you have to show publicly to the 74 million Americans who voted for Donald Trump, the most any president has ever received in American history, that you are serious on two issues.

00:31:19.000 Number one, big tech censorship.

00:31:22.000 And number two, voter integrity and election integrity.

00:31:27.000 I'm sorry, Andrew.

00:31:29.000 I mean, this is great news.

00:31:30.000 You know, Liz Cheney, sod off. 1.00

00:31:34.000 Go to hell. 0.99

00:31:35.000 But where's the GOP on these issues? 0.99

00:31:38.000 November was last year.

00:31:40.000 It was six months ago.

00:31:42.000 Where is the GOP on election integrity?

00:31:46.000 And where are they on big tech?

00:31:48.000 That's the big issue.

00:31:49.000 And all of, you know, listen, we get thousands of emails about this at the Charlie Kirk show.

00:31:53.000 And if you have questions, everybody, remember, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:56.000 Send in your questions.

00:31:59.000 I completely agree.

00:32:00.000 Everybody in the base is worried about election integrity.

00:32:04.000 If we do not fix election integrity, I completely agree with you.

00:32:06.000 We're going to have Georgia Senate runoff 2.0.

00:32:10.000 I completely agree. 0.81

00:32:11.000 They're still going to try and game the system.

00:32:13.000 The left is still going to try and gin up votes with drop boxes and mail-in balloting.

00:32:18.000 This is the new era.

00:32:19.000 This is the new normal that they're going to approach this with.

00:32:21.000 So I completely agree with you.

00:32:26.000 Hey, everybody.

00:32:26.000 Thank you for listening in.

00:32:28.000 I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.

00:32:30.000 He's a true patriot and very insightful in many different ways.

00:32:34.000 And he's given, listen, we all have to feel sorry for him.

00:32:37.000 He is in the belly of the beast located right there in DC.

00:32:39.000 So sad for him that he has to live there, but good for all of us for some of the insights that he can bring because of that.

00:32:46.000 Guys, if you want to support the show and what we're doing here in Charlie's absence, we would be honored.

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00:33:04.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:33:06.000 We'll see you tomorrow.

00:33:06.000 We've got Alex Marlow from Breitbart filling in in the chair.

00:33:10.000 We're excited to have him.

00:33:12.000 You're going to want to check that out.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 13, 2021

A Foreign Policy Expert's Take on Israel-Palestine with Dr. Sebastian Gorka

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