The Charlie Kirk Show - October 21, 2026


A Ukraine Peace October Surprise? + How DOGE Saved You $600 Billion

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00:01:18.000 Welcome, everybody.
00:01:19.000 It is October 21st, 2026.
00:01:22.000 I'm on location.
00:01:24.000 Blake is back today.
00:01:26.000 Thank you for all those emails saying how much you missed him and his keen insights.
00:01:30.000 Blake, you were on assignment yesterday.
00:01:32.000 Why don't we just start there really quickly and give everybody just a little taste of the Event we were doing yesterday because that was really important.
00:01:40.000 Oh, for sure.
00:01:41.000 It was kind of, we would do these periodic summits with influencers, streamers, people who are, you know, will be doing our pick up the mic events.
00:01:52.000 And it's actually a lot of it as a chance to just talk out the big issues facing the country.
00:01:57.000 So we were talking about 2028 what's the situation going to be by then?
00:02:02.000 What will the big issues be?
00:02:03.000 What could we potentially use as rhetoric for that?
00:02:06.000 And on a few different issues.
00:02:07.000 So we talked about, uh, We talked about foreign policy.
00:02:10.000 We talked about the economy.
00:02:12.000 We talked about the war with Iran.
00:02:14.000 A lot of different stuff.
00:02:15.000 And I don't want to divulge because it's secret what each individual person says.
00:02:19.000 But it's just a good opportunity to check each other in a friendly environment and probe stuff so that we can be ahead of the curve before it flares up in the coming years.
00:02:31.000 Yeah, it's great.
00:02:31.000 I mean, listen, one of the things that we do over on the Turning Point side that is just unlike anybody else is we equip.
00:02:40.000 Young people, influencers, people with a platform, people with growing platforms, and that are aspiring to get into the space.
00:02:47.000 We equip them with the tools they need to be as effective as possible.
00:02:51.000 So it's a really important thing, especially in the aftermath of losing Charlie, who was just such a big voice, who had such a huge platform with this show, but across social media and all those things.
00:03:00.000 So there are so many people rising up that want to be a part of helping and contributing and fixing this country, preparing for the future.
00:03:09.000 So it's a really important thing that we're doing.
00:03:11.000 Really proud of the team.
00:03:11.000 Proud of you, Blake, for being a part of it and helping be one of the people that helps pour into these young people.
00:03:17.000 So it's fantastic stuff.
00:03:19.000 But we have lots of news to get to today, Blake.
00:03:21.000 And one of the big things that is happening right now, this morning, woke up to it, and it really does appear that it has significant traction, is the prospect of peace.
00:03:32.000 Why I feel like this is very interesting in Ukraine and Russia, to be specific.
00:03:37.000 Why I think this is interesting, Blake, is that we just did this 20 promises from.
00:03:41.000 The Trump campaign in 2020, and we gave Trump a no.
00:03:44.000 We said he did not achieve peace in Russia and Ukraine.
00:03:47.000 There's not peace in the Middle East.
00:03:49.000 But this could be a huge boon both to Russia and Ukraine and to our midterm prospects, frankly, if we could actually establish the framework for peace in Ukraine.
00:04:02.000 Now, this happened this morning.
00:04:03.000 We know that Steve Witkov, special envoy to the president, is in Russia right now meeting with President Vladimir Putin.
00:04:10.000 And there was a huge development with Stephen Hubbard, who was a Michigan teacher that was arrested in eastern Ukraine in April of 2022.
00:04:20.000 He has been released.
00:04:21.000 He was slapped with a bogus mercenary charge and sentenced to seven years.
00:04:25.000 He has been released.
00:04:26.000 There's no prisoner swap.
00:04:28.000 We didn't have to give up a bunch of terrorists to do it.
00:04:30.000 President Trump got this done in the midst of a bunch of criticism about this diesel deal and sanctions on Russia and these types of things.
00:04:39.000 So he got this done.
00:04:41.000 People didn't realize it behind the scenes.
00:04:42.000 Had he slapped Russia with additional sanctions, for example, this probably would have fallen apart and Stephen Hubbard would still be arrested.
00:04:50.000 So that's a huge deal.
00:04:51.000 Meanwhile, Vladimir Zelensky from Ukraine was on Fox News this morning speaking with Brian Kilmeade, and a bombshell dropped.
00:05:00.000 It's going everywhere.
00:05:01.000 Sat9.
00:05:03.000 Would you accept a peace deal that freezes everything the way it is right now, where you still keep 75% or more of your country, regardless of how it started?
00:05:14.000 Would you accept where it is right now?
00:05:19.000 Yes.
00:05:20.000 Right now, we have to freeze, and I think this is a real way to end this war.
00:05:27.000 So, Blake, why don't you help explain how significant that is to hear those words out of Zelensky's own mouth?
00:05:35.000 Because President Trump has criticized him, saying he doesn't want peace.
00:05:38.000 But to hear him say this at this juncture is a huge development.
00:05:42.000 Yeah, so first, we'll see if it fully pans out, because obviously he could always blame translation issues or unclear English.
00:05:49.000 But if it is what it looks like, for years, we've been trying to get Russia and Ukraine together on peace.
00:05:55.000 And one of the key points is just what would the final peace line look like?
00:06:00.000 Ukraine, for a long time, they really wanted to get the Crimea back.
00:06:03.000 They really wanted to get those eastern provinces and the Donbass back.
00:06:07.000 And Russia, meanwhile, has been claiming even more land than they currently possess.
00:06:10.000 They actually had kind of bogus referendums and they annexed four oblasts, that's like provinces, and they claimed the whole territory of them.
00:06:18.000 And several of them, they only have a portion of those.
00:06:21.000 So if we can get them to come together and agree, actually, the current line, the ceasefire line, that can be our actual peace line.
00:06:29.000 That would be both sides backing off from their extreme positions to reach peace.
00:06:33.000 And there's precedent for that working.
00:06:35.000 If you want an example, if you look at North and South Korea, that line that divides those countries, that wasn't negotiated.
00:06:42.000 That's just where the ceasefire was when the Korean War ended after both sides were exhausted.
00:06:47.000 And so if we get a similar deal here, I think it would be great for, frankly, great for Russia and great for Ukraine, because what both of them need is for this war to stop.
00:06:56.000 Yeah.
00:06:57.000 And so just to give you the play by play, how we got here.
00:07:00.000 So, Steve Witkoff.
00:07:01.000 Just this morning, again, I'm just repeating myself, met with President Vladimir Putin in St. Petersburg, Russia for roughly three hours.
00:07:09.000 This is following Steve Witkoff meeting with Zelensky in Oslo and with Norwegian and Finnish leaders at the European NATO and other European and NATO representatives.
00:07:20.000 So, President Putin has, in principle, now we'll put giant air quotes around that, agreed to resume trilateral talks in the beginning of November.
00:07:31.000 And they might be doing this in Abu Dhabi.
00:07:33.000 We're going to see.
00:07:34.000 So, this is a really, really good sign.
00:07:36.000 They're calling it meaningful progress with Ukraine bringing in new ideas.
00:07:40.000 So, they want to talk about long term security guarantees for Ukraine, a post war economic prosperity plan, as they're calling it, and a broader European security architecture.
00:07:50.000 So, okay, these things become problematic.
00:07:53.000 But to Blake's point, he used a very important word when both sides get exhausted, when both sides get exhausted, and perhaps this is what we finally come to in this long drawn out conflict that is killing thousands of Europeans, of Ukrainians, and Russians.
00:08:11.000 Every month, it is a bloody, bloody struggle that the whole world would be incentivized to help end.
00:08:18.000 And not only because of diesel prices, not only because of deaths, but because of the fact that this could, Blake, if there are positive signs, and I'm going to be selfish here and think as a domestic actor here, this could inject positive momentum, an additional positive momentum into the midterms.
00:08:36.000 And I'm sorry, that's just what I believe in.
00:08:39.000 I am self focused here because I care about our country.
00:08:43.000 I want domestic prosperity.
00:08:45.000 I want domestic election wins.
00:08:47.000 And if this can help contribute to that, and we can look at it and say, President Trump got it done, that will only bolster our case heading into the midterms.
00:08:55.000 And frankly, I think that's incredibly important, not only for us, but for the world.
00:08:59.000 Yeah, 100%.
00:09:00.000 And I just think about Charlie.
00:09:02.000 One of the things that set him apart was that he was fighting against this war from the start.
00:09:07.000 He thought it was dumb that it broke out, he thought it was avoidable.
00:09:10.000 He was always trying to drive it towards peace.
00:09:14.000 And it's gone on, I think, way longer than anyone expected.
00:09:16.000 When it broke out, people thought this will be over in a few weeks.
00:09:20.000 And we've seen those guests who predicted it'd be over in six months over and over again.
00:09:24.000 It would be great for it to finally end after four and a half years, as long as World War I, and about as destructive.
00:09:30.000 Well, I agree.
00:09:31.000 Charlie was dead set against this war.
00:09:33.000 He hated it.
00:09:34.000 And we hate it.
00:09:36.000 And we hate watching Christians get, you know, murdered and killed and maimed in that region of the world.
00:09:42.000 So let's pray for peace, everybody.
00:09:46.000 All right.
00:09:47.000 So as we pray for peace in Ukraine, we also have to look at the elections that are happening right here at home.
00:09:55.000 And that's what we're going to spend the rest of the hour doing.
00:09:56.000 We've got a jam packed show.
00:09:58.000 We're going to go over this Amy Acton mother ad from the Ramaswamy campaign and talk about the ethics of it because it's cost quite disturbed.
00:10:07.000 We're also going to focus on we got a new drop out of Maricopa County.
00:10:10.000 We're going to have Matthew Martinez from Turning Point Action join us, as well as Rich Barris going around the horn looking at all the latest polling in the early drops.
00:10:19.000 But let's get into this Amy Acton ad, okay?
00:10:21.000 I don't want to actually play it because I think, you know, there's a lot going on here, but I will read to you what it says, all right?
00:10:32.000 So it's a roughly 60 second ad featuring Donna Arthur.
00:10:37.000 And you could play the ad, I guess, with B roll, but I'll describe it here.
00:10:42.000 Donna Arthur, who identifies herself as Amy Acton's mother.
00:10:46.000 Now, Amy Acton, of course, is the Democrat candidate for governor in the state of Ohio.
00:10:50.000 She says she loves her daughter, but Amy has a serious problem.
00:10:53.000 Calls her a liar and states she lies about her past.
00:10:57.000 She says she grew up living in a tent.
00:10:58.000 None of that is true.
00:10:59.000 She lied her entire life.
00:11:01.000 She accuses her own daughter of lying about her opponent and urges Ohioans not to elect her.
00:11:06.000 Don't let her become your governor.
00:11:07.000 If you think she's going to make your life better, you're fooling yourself.
00:11:10.000 She needs help and she can't help you if she needs help.
00:11:13.000 So the ad circulates widely on X.
00:11:17.000 I saw it everywhere.
00:11:19.000 I didn't engage with it because candidly bringing.
00:11:22.000 Into a campaign ad just struck me initially as being something that I needed to pay special attention to, be a little more careful with.
00:11:31.000 But then we find out this other part of the story, Blake, that apparently, you know, the mom, while she denies it, that Amy Acton was sexually assaulted.
00:11:44.000 Her brother has stood by her charges here.
00:11:47.000 And the stepfather, Cletith Arthur, who she alleges abused her between the ages of roughly 9 and 12, he was arrested, charged with rape involving a child under 13, and later died in 2004.
00:12:00.000 And Amy Acton's mom stayed with this man up until his death.
00:12:05.000 So now, Vivek Ramaswamy has said that this did come from his campaign and they are pouring $4 million behind it.
00:12:14.000 So I think this is a lot of ethical questions here.
00:12:18.000 It raises a lot of is this a huge backfire?
00:12:21.000 Is this a huge backlash?
00:12:23.000 Blake, I'm going to start with your take and then I'll give you mine.
00:12:25.000 What do you make of this?
00:12:26.000 I mean, as far as the issue, honestly, like the ethical issue, I don't know that it's that so much as much that the ad exists.
00:12:33.000 If, let's just grant, If it was true that Amy Acton told really fabulous stories about her past, about being like homeless, living in a tent, like overcoming a lot of abuse, if that was false, that would be something that is worth pointing out and arguing about if it was true.
00:12:52.000 Because just in the same way that it was a news story with that professor at Cambridge who was making a lot of stuff up, or the way, what's his name in Maine, he was telling all these fabulous stories and also trying to cover up bad stuff he'd done.
00:13:06.000 If it was true, I think that would be a worthy.
00:13:08.000 Story for an opponent to point out, even if it was the mom getting involved.
00:13:13.000 Unfortunately, the problem here is it seems that her stepfather literally was criminally charged with a lot of this abusive behavior, and so it's difficult, certainly now, to make the case that it was all false.
00:13:28.000 I'm worried that maybe the campaign just overreached, they thought they had something perfect and they didn't dive perfectly into old newspapers.
00:13:36.000 I agree, it is disconcerting how much they love to bring family in, but because The allegations in this case would at least be something pretty serious.
00:13:45.000 I'm a little more sympathetic.
00:13:46.000 What really bothers me is when they've done, like, the left has done this all the time, where they'll just drag out a family member to just say, Oh, Stephen Miller is evil.
00:13:55.000 Oh, here's Mary Trump to say that Donald Trump is just a piece of crap.
00:13:59.000 And that actually bothers me a lot more because it is just sowing discord within families for purely political reasons.
00:14:07.000 So, weirdly, I would be more bothered by it if it was a more mild attack, actually.
00:14:13.000 Interesting.
00:14:13.000 Vivek Ramaswamy is standing by it.
00:14:15.000 He's defending the ad.
00:14:16.000 Sat 10.
00:14:18.000 It is an ad from our campaign.
00:14:26.000 And the thing that I want to say is that I would love for this race and this election to be about the substantive issues that impact Ohioans.
00:14:37.000 And unfortunately, Amy Acton has been hiding from those issues.
00:14:42.000 She won't debate me.
00:14:43.000 She doesn't allow cameras at her events.
00:14:45.000 And I think her record of continuously, certainly during this campaign, I would say spreading some defamatory, disparaging lies about me and my family, that does deserve to be scrutinized.
00:14:58.000 All right, so Vivek's sort of doubling down, saying, hey, she's lying about me.
00:15:03.000 We think this is an important ad.
00:15:05.000 And they are pouring $4 million behind it.
00:15:07.000 Now, I've heard a little bit behind the scenes that there were people that actually did suggest to the Ramaswamy campaign not to air this ad.
00:15:16.000 And they chose to do so anyways.
00:15:18.000 Here's where I'm a little bit split, Blake.
00:15:21.000 I actually do think Amy Acton is a crazy person.
00:15:24.000 There are reports of her during COVID because she was working as sort of the public health.
00:15:31.000 I don't know what their title is in Ohio, but she was in an official position appointed by DeWine.
00:15:36.000 And when everything was going down and things were getting tough, she was curled up into a ball on the floor, apparently.
00:15:42.000 And this is like verbatim.
00:15:44.000 These are reports that you'll hear that she was actually curled up into a ball, didn't show up, basically bailed on the job because things got tricky during COVID for a lot of states.
00:15:54.000 I don't think that this person is fit to serve.
00:15:56.000 I don't think that this person is mentally stable, actually.
00:16:00.000 I do think there are elements of truth here.
00:16:03.000 But when you have a court that convicted the person that she said abused her as a child, you've got to err on that side, in my opinion.
00:16:12.000 I think this is political malfeasance to let this ad go forward because he was convicted.
00:16:17.000 He was, you know, the brother is standing by her allegations and the statements she's made about their childhood.
00:16:25.000 And who would know better than the brother?
00:16:27.000 So I think.
00:16:28.000 Regardless of the fact that there might be elements of truth in this ad, and that hearing it from her biological mother that she's apparently estranged from, that the last time she claims, Amy Acton claims that she saw her mother was in court many, many years ago, and that they've been estranged ever since.
00:16:45.000 So you've kind of got to err on the side of, hey, the courts still matter.
00:16:48.000 The verdict still matters.
00:16:49.000 This guy went away for child sexual assault and rape.
00:16:54.000 I mean, those are serious charges and serious convictions in this case.
00:16:59.000 And so.
00:17:00.000 While I am conflicted because I actually do believe there is some elements of truth here, you've got to find another way to express it because this ends up being egg on your face.
00:17:10.000 It's caused a bunch of controversy.
00:17:12.000 It's driving up sympathy for somebody that I think is unfit for office, somebody I think is actually mentally unstable.
00:17:18.000 And so I think it's kind of a self owned, unfortunately.
00:17:21.000 I still would much rather have Vivek Ramaswamy be governor of Ohio.
00:17:28.000 But this was a huge risk.
00:17:30.000 And I think it's ultimately going to backfire.
00:17:32.000 Yeah, I mean, it's like the old line about when Napoleon did some.
00:17:37.000 I won't dive into the history, but one of his advisors said it was worse than immoral.
00:17:42.000 It was a mistake.
00:17:43.000 And really, we're in politics.
00:17:46.000 Your goal is to win.
00:17:47.000 And I don't know that this took us closer to winning.
00:17:49.000 And that's unfortunate, because as you say, Amy Acton is nuts.
00:17:52.000 We know she's nuts for things that are public record today.
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00:19:24.000 We've got actually two guests on right here at the top Matthew Martinez.
00:19:28.000 He's in studio, strategic director at Turning Point Action.
00:19:31.000 We have a massive new Maricopa County ballot drop.
00:19:35.000 Earlies are in.
00:19:36.000 We have a new report.
00:19:36.000 And then, of course, we have Rich Barris, who needs no introduction to this audience, the people's pundit, big data poll, and author of Burn It Down What the polls say young Americans really want.
00:19:46.000 All right, Rich.
00:19:48.000 I know you got a lot to say.
00:19:49.000 We got this whole Wedgwood thing.
00:19:51.000 I know you're just primed and ready.
00:19:53.000 But, Matthew, major, major new drop.
00:19:56.000 Tell us what we know now out of this new drop that just came out from Maricopa.
00:20:00.000 Well, good morning.
00:20:01.000 And thank you very much for having me on the podcast.
00:20:04.000 It's an honor to be here.
00:20:05.000 And just minutes ago, Maricopa just released a new drop of data.
00:20:11.000 And I just tweeted this out.
00:20:13.000 Good stuff.
00:20:15.000 Republicans won this drop here in Maricopa County.
00:20:19.000 Here in Arizona.
00:20:20.000 Boom.
00:20:21.000 So Republicans made up 38.9% of this drop.
00:20:25.000 Democrats had 37.3%.
00:20:28.000 Others include independents, Green Party, everybody else, other than Republican and Democrat, made 23.8%, with a total of 76,000 ballots in this morning drop.
00:20:42.000 Republicans had a 1.6% vote advantage.
00:20:45.000 This is great stuff.
00:20:47.000 This is twice in a row now.
00:20:49.000 So yesterday, we had a Maricopa drop, and we won that.
00:20:52.000 So, this is the second one, and we're expecting this trend to continue within Maricopa.
00:20:58.000 And so, how does that trend work out in terms of, let's compare it to 24 or 22, like what we're looking for in terms of, like, we want to win, of course, but everyone's comparing it to prior elections as well.
00:21:10.000 Yeah, looking at the trend right now, it's relatively the same number.
00:21:16.000 So, looking at 2022.
00:21:19.000 Okay.
00:21:19.000 So, 2024 had a higher turnout number on day, I think today's day 16.
00:21:27.000 Or 13, excuse me, 13 days ago on today's day 15.
00:21:31.000 We're a little bit behind from 2022, but it's right there.
00:21:36.000 Pretty much linear.
00:21:40.000 Yeah.
00:21:40.000 And just to put this in perspective, by the way, everybody, I actually think we're ahead of 2022.
00:21:45.000 I want to check the math there, Matthew.
00:21:47.000 But just to put this in perspective, we didn't win an early drop until the Friday before the election in 2022.
00:21:53.000 So, Rich, you've been loud and proud out there talking about.
00:21:57.000 The early vote infrastructure that's been set up in states like Nevada and Arizona.
00:22:01.000 Turning Point Action is proudly, you know, embracing that movement, embracing that mantle.
00:22:07.000 When you see numbers like this compared to other things you're seeing, you're seeing the effects of the door knocking, of the ballot chase.
00:22:15.000 Yeah, this is why I stress this as much as I do.
00:22:18.000 And you just said something I was just going to say, which is that, yeah, I know it may look like it's pretty similar, but it's very difficult.
00:22:25.000 And I always caution people every year try not to overanalyze everything, but they're, Of course, are some important things to note.
00:22:31.000 You didn't win an early drop.
00:22:33.000 You're two days ahead.
00:22:34.000 So, it compared to 2022.
00:22:37.000 So, primary vote is predictive.
00:22:39.000 I would expect this trend to continue where Republicans get the early vote period, and not just Arizona, but a lot of other places as well, basically everywhere else.
00:22:47.000 The early vote should and probably will get more red as time goes on.
00:22:52.000 Liberals tend to front load a lot in almost all states, except for Nevada.
00:22:56.000 There's some weird, like every state has its own culture, guys.
00:22:59.000 All right.
00:23:00.000 And every state has a different baseline.
00:23:03.000 Democrats this year even changing their vote method behavior, which is learned behavior.
00:23:08.000 Parties teach voters how they want them to vote.
00:23:11.000 This in Arizona.
00:23:13.000 I even see it in Texas, by the way, which prioritized in person early vote and voting early.
00:23:17.000 In states where it has infrastructure, the investment went in, the word got out, you can see a big difference.
00:23:24.000 And by the way, we saw it in the primaries as well.
00:23:27.000 Yes, Democrats in Texas edged out, but they were still a decent turnout there.
00:23:32.000 In Arizona, you guys were a bright spot where we looked and we said, wow, okay, primary voting looks good.
00:23:37.000 It's bad.
00:23:38.000 Sorry.
00:23:38.000 Yeah.
00:23:39.000 And that's because we're putting the work in.
00:23:41.000 We're putting the work in, Rich.
00:23:42.000 Yeah.
00:23:43.000 So actually, just to correct something here.
00:23:45.000 Yes.
00:23:46.000 And we're working hard in Nevada.
00:23:48.000 So we're actually, just to fact check this, it's R1.8 versus 2022.
00:23:54.000 So we are ahead almost two points at this same stage as we were in 2022, almost two points ahead of where we were.
00:24:01.000 Now, and that was kind of true even before you won the drop, by the way.
00:24:05.000 You know, it's been trending like that, which is good because you expect it to get redder as time goes on.
00:24:10.000 Yeah.
00:24:12.000 All right, Matthew, I know you're busy.
00:24:13.000 So Matthew's one of our number crunchers over there.
00:24:15.000 He's building the models.
00:24:16.000 You see that.
00:24:17.000 That heat map from Maricopa.
00:24:19.000 That's what Matthew's spending his days and nights doing right now, burning the midnight oil.
00:24:23.000 We're proud of him.
00:24:24.000 So I know you got to head back, Matthew, but really quick, you know, what's the action plan?
00:24:29.000 Where do we want to drive people?
00:24:31.000 Commit 100.
00:24:32.000 The floor is yours, my friend.
00:24:33.000 Correct.
00:24:34.000 Commit 100.
00:24:35.000 If you're in Arizona, Nevada, New Hampshire, or anywhere in the country, we will be happy to have your help in those three states.
00:24:44.000 The battle, the path to the White House goes through those three states.
00:24:49.000 And in order to make sure that we have a Republican in the White House in 2028, we need to win those three states.
00:24:56.000 So, Commit 100 is where you could go.
00:24:59.000 Commit100.com.
00:25:01.000 Sign up there.
00:25:02.000 Help us save those three states.
00:25:04.000 But also, the numbers are showing this low propensity Republican voters are voting exponentially.
00:25:10.000 And that's because of these programs that we have in these three states our Chase the Vote program, Commit 100, volunteers who are calling in Republicans left and right and ensuring that they get their ballots in.
00:25:21.000 So, if you still have your ballot at home, Get it in as soon as possible.
00:25:26.000 Is that the ballot that I see that you have kept at home?
00:25:29.000 I'm going to be voting today.
00:25:30.000 So I brought my ballot.
00:25:31.000 I'm going to go drop it off today.
00:25:33.000 That is how easy it is.
00:25:34.000 I filled it out.
00:25:36.000 Make sure you sign the affidavit on the ballot, drop it off.
00:25:39.000 And then we'll see this ballot in the coming days in the numbers.
00:25:44.000 Amen.
00:25:44.000 Thank you for joining us, Matthew.
00:25:46.000 Great work, my friend.
00:25:47.000 And we'll keep in close touch as these days progress.
00:25:51.000 Throw up 151 here.
00:25:52.000 What he's talking about support Charlie's mission, take a vacation to help save America.
00:25:56.000 And chase 100 ballots, tpaction.comslash 100.
00:26:00.000 Scan that QR code.
00:26:01.000 We'll put you in a hotel.
00:26:03.000 We'll get you all set up.
00:26:04.000 We'll give you the app, and then you get 100 names of low propensity voters.
00:26:08.000 Rich, here's something interesting I want to get your take on.
00:26:12.000 As it stands right now, and these are preliminary numbers, we got to turn out, turn out, turn out.
00:26:16.000 But as it stands right now, Rich, we are winning in zero out of four, one out of four, two out of four, three out of four voters.
00:26:26.000 We're winning the low props right now.
00:26:29.000 I was just going to stress what he just brought up, which is that it's not just the infrastructure, and you can see it in just straight up returned ballots.
00:26:35.000 The only other state is Florida, where they're doing a better job getting out low prop voters.
00:26:42.000 Arizona, New Hampshire, where these vote chasing operations are, you can very clearly see a difference, guys.
00:26:50.000 It is very important to get the low props in during the early vote period and cannot wait until the last minute.
00:26:56.000 That's the best strategy, bank your low props early.
00:27:01.000 So, you can divert the rest of your resources when we get to election day to people who are very easy to turn out and we know are high propensity.
00:27:08.000 So, you can see it all over them.
00:27:09.000 Nevada, New Hampshire, Arizona, and Florida are bright spots compared to where, honestly, Democrats are destroying Republicans in Ohio, Georgia, North Carolina, et cetera, when it comes to those low prop voters.
00:27:22.000 I mean, it's a very clear difference.
00:27:25.000 What about Texas?
00:27:27.000 Yeah, what about Texas?
00:27:28.000 We don't really have enough yet for me to draw a lot of conclusions in Texas.
00:27:31.000 I saw everybody made a big deal about Travis.
00:27:35.000 Yes, Democrats are doing very good.
00:27:37.000 Let's give it till the end of the week before we can say who's getting their low props out more.
00:27:41.000 I like.
00:27:41.000 What I see for Republicans right now in Texas.
00:27:43.000 And we know that there is a, it's just a very heavy Arlene.
00:27:48.000 I am not telling people to sleep on this race.
00:27:49.000 It's dead even in our polling.
00:27:51.000 But if Republicans get out enough of their vote, they'll eke this thing out.
00:27:56.000 So don't sleep on it.
00:27:57.000 And remember, in Arizona, Kerry Lake had anywhere between like a four to 18 point lead in the polls going into 2022.
00:28:06.000 Because of how it was simple about turnout, we all know kind of the wacky stuff that happened that day.
00:28:10.000 I got subpoenaed to testify about it because I conducted an exit poll that day.
00:28:15.000 And there were election day voters who couldn't get to the polls.
00:28:17.000 You can beat the polls.
00:28:19.000 All right.
00:28:20.000 Andy Biggs is not in the position that Hobbs was against Lake.
00:28:24.000 She's not.
00:28:25.000 Or he's not.
00:28:26.000 Yeah.
00:28:26.000 Amen.
00:28:27.000 Amen.
00:28:27.000 All right.
00:28:29.000 So, listen, I don't know if this, I want to get into this Wedgwood.
00:28:32.000 I think it's a bombshell.
00:28:33.000 And I think there's so much to get into.
00:28:35.000 I know Blake has a ton to get into.
00:28:38.000 So, why don't you explain what happened?
00:28:42.000 And then we'll get some analysis from Rich on the other end.
00:28:44.000 It's exactly what's crazy.
00:28:46.000 This is the second time it's happened in this cycle.
00:28:49.000 A pollster people caught somewhat suspicious looking data from Wedgwood, and we don't know if this is them trying to get ahead of it or if they are revealing what they were always doing.
00:28:58.000 But this Wedgwood pollster, I do, a group that was about one point more Democratic than the consensus of polls overall.
00:29:05.000 So they are a Democrat leaning pollster.
00:29:07.000 They come out and they issue this letter where they say, Yeah, our polls are fake.
00:29:11.000 We need to reform the polling system because you all keep falling for them.
00:29:15.000 And it's you know, causing it was in Nate Silver's estimates that so many people look for, he's had to shift.
00:29:21.000 His outcome in like Michigan, for example, by more than half a point just by taking out this pollster.
00:29:28.000 And so, literally, a major pollster that's pro left is fake, and they admitted that it's fake.
00:29:33.000 And we now have two of them.
00:29:35.000 How many of these fake pollsters are there?
00:29:37.000 I can 100% confirm that that was an attempt to get ahead of him, get ahead of the news.
00:29:42.000 He was busted.
00:29:43.000 He had no intention of pretending that he was a social experiment.
00:29:46.000 He was faking polls, and he was also trading on fake polls, which is a whole other level to this story.
00:29:52.000 The saddest part, and I don't see the clock, but the saddest part is he only got busted because of a personal gripe that went back and forth, not because the tipper, who I know it is, thought they were going to do the right thing.
00:30:03.000 That's the worst part about it.
00:30:04.000 This industry needs a total overhaul, which I would love to talk about.
00:30:07.000 But look, Mr. Guru Nate Silver waited that poll more than the New York Times poll because Nate thinks he's smarter than everybody else.
00:30:14.000 Humiliated again.
00:30:17.000 Oh, my goodness.
00:30:18.000 We're out.
00:30:19.000 Rich Barris on the other side of this break.
00:30:20.000 Thank you, Matthew Martinez.
00:30:21.000 Turning point action.
00:30:22.000 Keep up the good work, my friend.
00:30:26.000 Rich Barris, author of Burn It Down.
00:30:29.000 Everybody should check out a copy.
00:30:30.000 I know that book has done gangbusters, Rich.
00:30:33.000 And I think we're going to be confronting some of the realities that you tried to expose in that book in this midterms, hopefully not too painfully.
00:30:40.000 Hopefully.
00:30:40.000 Not too badly.
00:30:41.000 Let's go around the horn.
00:30:43.000 What's that?
00:30:45.000 I said, hopefully not too painfully.
00:30:47.000 Let's make it a reasonable compromise.
00:30:50.000 Hey, listen, I'm looking at Russia, Ukraine.
00:30:53.000 Man, if we can get a peace deal there, I think that's going to be another boon.
00:30:56.000 I think that.
00:30:57.000 Listen, I'm not dooming on this election.
00:31:00.000 It's all about turnout.
00:31:02.000 It's a base turnout election.
00:31:03.000 I think Trump's rallies are having an impact.
00:31:06.000 But let's go around the horn here really quick.
00:31:08.000 Okay, and let's just do rapid fire, Rich, because we've got a lot of states to get to.
00:31:11.000 Ohio.
00:31:12.000 All right, we've got a Senate race.
00:31:13.000 We've got a gubernatorial.
00:31:14.000 The Amy Acton ad is blowing up over there in Ohio.
00:31:19.000 What are you seeing there?
00:31:20.000 What are your chances that we hold the governor's mansion?
00:31:24.000 Maybe we get that Senate seat.
00:31:26.000 We're going to go back in Ohio.
00:31:28.000 That's one of eight states we're going to go back into on Friday.
00:31:31.000 Sherrod Brown is an extremely strong.
00:31:34.000 Candidate for the state of Ohio for U.S. Senate.
00:31:36.000 He's done it before.
00:31:36.000 He knows how to do it.
00:31:38.000 He's run a very good campaign, just being totally realistic here.
00:31:41.000 That being said, again, guess what?
00:31:43.000 There are a lot more Republicans in Ohio than there used to be, right?
00:31:47.000 Even when Sherrod Brown ran against Moreno in 24.
00:31:53.000 But you got to get him out.
00:31:54.000 I mean, that's really that simple.
00:31:55.000 Vivek, we had him up the last time.
00:31:58.000 We'll see again.
00:31:59.000 I've heard it's reversed now, which is why I'm glad we're going back in.
00:32:03.000 I've heard it's, you know, that it looks like Eusted is closing strong.
00:32:06.000 Vivek, I trust my own numbers.
00:32:08.000 More than I trust anybody else's.
00:32:10.000 But it's well within the sampling era, guys, from the Midwest.
00:32:13.000 This is really important for everybody to understand.
00:32:16.000 Polling errors aren't just universal.
00:32:18.000 They've been really bad in once upon a time, Florida, even though they still were in 24 for Donald Trump.
00:32:24.000 I was the only one to add them up a little over 13 points.
00:32:28.000 But the Midwest, really bad.
00:32:29.000 We were the only ones who advanced up by seven.
00:32:31.000 I mean, you remember, guys, the polls at Marist, USA Today, they were tied.
00:32:36.000 I remember.
00:32:36.000 They were tied.
00:32:38.000 Would you give Husted the A better chance than Vivek at this point in time.
00:32:41.000 I know you haven't gone back in, but just based on what you're seeing, I think I would.
00:32:46.000 Yeah.
00:32:47.000 What about Florida?
00:32:48.000 You were in Florida.
00:32:49.000 How's Byron looking?
00:32:50.000 Yeah.
00:32:51.000 I like what I see for turnout.
00:32:53.000 I like what I see for turnout in Florida.
00:32:55.000 Is it, you know, presidential level?
00:32:57.000 No, but I think Byron Donalds is going to be okay.
00:32:59.000 Don't sleep on it, please, for the love of God, don't sleep on it.
00:33:02.000 But I think it is very difficult to first of all turn out, turn out, turn out.
00:33:06.000 And I am getting, you know, people send me stuff from all over the country, Andrew.
00:33:10.000 The cell phone footage I'm getting, I like what I see.
00:33:13.000 Ignorance.
00:33:13.000 Yeah, and I'm just seeing a 1.5 hour wait in noonday, Texas.
00:33:18.000 The post says, Talrico kicked the hornet's nest in the Bible Belt.
00:33:21.000 So I hope that that holds in Texas.
00:33:23.000 Get out, get out, get out.
00:33:24.000 Turn out, turn out, turn out.
00:33:26.000 Let's go to Michelle Tafoya and let's also hit Michigan.
00:33:30.000 How are we shaping up?
00:33:31.000 You know, Flanagan, Wall Street Journal had a story that Flanagan was basically lying about her resume, lying about her education background.
00:33:39.000 So, you know, that's another little story in Tafoya's corner here.
00:33:43.000 How are you feeling about that race?
00:33:44.000 Is it going to surprise us?
00:33:46.000 Look, we had it up.
00:33:47.000 We had a Tofoya was down by only two.
00:33:50.000 I was a little bit concerned about the undecideds.
00:33:52.000 They were very Twin City, very left.
00:33:54.000 But again, there's something going on over there.
00:33:56.000 Flanagan's just a terrible candidate.
00:33:57.000 You know, again, swings are not universal and candidate quality matters.
00:34:01.000 Tofoya's a good candidate for the state of Minnesota.
00:34:04.000 Flanagan is not.
00:34:05.000 So if there is a shocker, it's going to be either Minnesota or the one you just brought up, which in a normal year, I would just kind of, it's not like he's favored.
00:34:16.000 So I don't want to give anybody a false impression.
00:34:18.000 But there definitely is a path for Mike Rogers in Michigan.
00:34:20.000 There is.
00:34:21.000 I mean, you have, by the way, I don't think I saw it this morning.
00:34:24.000 MSNBC was having a meltdown over the decisions Abdul Syed has made.
00:34:29.000 He's out in the Upper Peninsula.
00:34:31.000 And I know what he's trying to do.
00:34:32.000 He's trying to reassemble like a Bernie Sanders like coalition.
00:34:37.000 His idea is that you can't only leave when you're facing MAGA and angry MAGA.
00:34:42.000 You can't just do what Harris and Hillary did, which is leave it up to the blue areas in southeastern Michigan and elsewhere in Ann Arbor and in Detroit.
00:34:50.000 You have to go and pull some of Trump's working class base away.
00:34:53.000 That's mad about the cost of living.
00:34:55.000 I get what he's trying to do, but boy, you got a problem in Detroit.
00:34:58.000 And I can see it.
00:34:59.000 And I can even see, I mean, Mike Rogers tightened that race.
00:35:02.000 He's not up.
00:35:03.000 Absolutely.
00:35:04.000 Brother, Rogers is doing significantly better with Jewish voters, and that's not a small feat.
00:35:11.000 If there's a marginal drop off, yes.
00:35:14.000 And if there's a marginal drop off with black voters, who, by the way, because he was on the ballot with Donald Trump in 2024, there are many young black men who voted for Mike Rogers more than they would a regular Republican already because Trump was on the ballot and they went out to vote for Trump.
00:35:32.000 He didn't do as well as Trump did, but what I'm saying is there are already voters who have said, eh.
00:35:37.000 I voted for this guy before, you know, so it's like it is psychological.
00:35:42.000 So I look, I still think, yeah, absolutely.
00:35:44.000 It's muscle memory, brother.
00:35:45.000 Exactly.
00:35:46.000 I still think it's Michigan.
00:35:47.000 It's hard in a midterm, but if we were going to do it, it would be this year.
00:35:52.000 Rich, it does feel to me like each race, obviously, politics is much more national than it was 20 years ago or certainly 50 years ago.
00:36:01.000 But it does feel a lot of these races are suddenly taking on a very particular character to them, and that could end up bailing us out in states that would tilt blue.
00:36:12.000 It feels very funny that simultaneously in red states, it feels like we're seeing some candidates like Vivek in Ohio make these mistakes where it feels like almost like there's a curse on them or bad things keep happening.
00:36:23.000 But then the left is having it happen in their own states, that in Minnesota, in Michigan, in their blue tilted states, their campaigns feel a little cursed and they keep stepping in it over and over again.
00:36:34.000 It's funny you say that, Blake, because a lot of people have been comparing this election to 06, but for different reasons than what I'm about to say.
00:36:40.000 And I put up a table first and I thought, okay, maybe people didn't get it because it didn't seem like they did.
00:36:45.000 So, I put up an interactive map showing the Democratic swing in 06.
00:36:49.000 Democrats won the generic ballot by a little under eight, it was 7.9.
00:36:54.000 They outperformed among the 33 Senate states by about four points.
00:36:59.000 Yet, if you go around the map, the swing was weird.
00:37:02.000 And what accounted for that?
00:37:03.000 Candidate quality, right?
00:37:06.000 The unique characteristics of that race.
00:37:08.000 I feel like we may have hit a peak of what you just said before, where it's like people, I understand we're in a partisan environment.
00:37:16.000 What happened to us in 25?
00:37:17.000 We got clobbered.
00:37:18.000 Because it was nationalized everywhere down to tax collector.
00:37:22.000 It just feels to me like that's maybe not the case in some of these states now.
00:37:28.000 So I shared that map to show look, Brown, when he beat Mike DeWine, he pivoted that state by 16 points.
00:37:35.000 That was huge.
00:37:36.000 But when Claire McCaskill won, again, somebody who just had a special election, by the way, not that, you know, a couple years before, it was a very small pivot.
00:37:45.000 So what accounted for that?
00:37:46.000 Candidate quality.
00:37:47.000 So, I mean, you might see this again.
00:37:50.000 Yeah.
00:37:52.000 Okay.
00:37:52.000 Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, South Carolina.
00:37:55.000 Are you worried we might see any surprises in the negative column in any of those three states?
00:38:00.000 15 seconds.
00:38:02.000 I am.
00:38:03.000 Less so Nebraska than Kansas, but I am worried about Darlene in South Carolina.
00:38:08.000 There's a huge chunk of voters who don't want to vote for Graham, and it's just last name.
00:38:12.000 I'm sorry.
00:38:12.000 It's real.
00:38:13.000 And by the way, Wilson's crushing it.
00:38:15.000 Crushing it.
00:38:16.000 So it's real.
00:38:18.000 Rich Barris, big data poll, the people's pundit, and author of Burn It Down, get a Book, get a copy, support his work.
00:38:25.000 Thank you, my friend.
00:38:26.000 We'll talk to you soon.
00:38:27.000 All the best, guys.
00:38:28.000 Keep it up.
00:38:29.000 Go vote.
00:38:32.000 I talk about jobs and industries on this show all the time, but I didn't expect to find an entire skills trade community on TikTok.
00:38:40.000 Plumbers, electrician, builders, and contractors sharing the work they do every day.
00:38:44.000 And it went way beyond tips and tricks.
00:38:47.000 People were sharing their craft, connecting with local contractors, and talking about how they were building their businesses and growing their teams.
00:38:53.000 It opened my eyes.
00:38:55.000 To how people in the trades are using TikTok to share their skills, make connections, and find new opportunities.
00:38:59.000 I remember thinking, this is exactly what we need more of people sharing what they know and creating opportunities for others.
00:39:06.000 And I never expected to find a community like this.
00:39:08.000 That's the thing about TikTok.
00:39:10.000 You start with something you know, and suddenly you're finding a whole new side of it that surprises you and leaves you wanting to know more.
00:39:16.000 Your next discovery is waiting for you on TikTok.
00:39:19.000 Learn more at TikTok.comslash discover more.
00:39:24.000 We've got so much to get to still.
00:39:27.000 It's just one of those news days.
00:39:28.000 Got Ilhan Omar updates.
00:39:30.000 We've got.
00:39:31.000 Larry Krasner in Philadelphia.
00:39:33.000 We got a fraud bounty system now, an incentive to report fraud.
00:39:39.000 If you are a citizen journalist, please take advantage of that.
00:39:43.000 But one of the, I think, underappreciated aspects of Trump 2.0 at this point was what happened at Doge.
00:39:51.000 You know, I was a big fan of Doge.
00:39:53.000 Charlie was a huge fan of Doge.
00:39:55.000 And we have an expert to talk about.
00:39:57.000 Hey, maybe it was even more successful than you realize.
00:40:00.000 His name is Judge Glock.
00:40:01.000 He's director of research at Manhattan Institute.
00:40:05.000 And he's also contributor editor at the City Journal.
00:40:07.000 Judge Glock, the coolest named guest we've ever had on the show.
00:40:11.000 Please, welcome.
00:40:13.000 Thanks so much for having me on.
00:40:15.000 Well, excellent.
00:40:16.000 So, you have been doing research looking into the actual ongoing impacts of what happened at Doge.
00:40:23.000 So, why don't you give our audience a reminder of what Doge actually was, what it did, and what it accomplished?
00:40:30.000 Yeah, so it's tough to remember now, but Doge started out, of course, as an inside joke about.
00:40:36.000 Dogecoin, a Musk favored cryptocurrency.
00:40:39.000 Actually, I think it was just a random Twitter follower of Elon who suggested the name.
00:40:44.000 And they took it up and it moved into an executive order.
00:40:47.000 And for about six months, it became the number one story in Washington, the most important part of the earliest part of Trump's presidency, and a real effort to cut the size of government, cut the regulatory burden, and reduce spending.
00:41:01.000 Now, as I try to go into a bit in the piece you referenced, it could never achieve the kind of most grandiose goals of Elon Musk, who described Trillions of dollars in savings and getting rid of the budget deficit and all that.
00:41:14.000 That was always improbable.
00:41:16.000 But Musk is known for making large, grandiose statements.
00:41:20.000 And even if not achieving them, still achieving some amount of significant success.
00:41:24.000 And I tried to show in the piece, he did that, most importantly, by cutting the civil service workforce.
00:41:30.000 And like, what was the scale of those cuts overall?
00:41:34.000 I see some of the numbers here.
00:41:36.000 You estimated we might end up saving like $600 billion over a decade just on payroll from the cuts they made.
00:41:43.000 And I feel like you're not.
00:41:44.000 Seeing that number thrown out, it's always presented like Doge just didn't achieve much, but it's actually a very real long term thing.
00:41:52.000 Yeah.
00:41:52.000 And so, one, there is the usual play in the media was to say, look, Doge said it was going to achieve these trillions in cuts and only achieved X billion or whatever it is.
00:42:03.000 And one, I think most Americans looking at those numbers say, well, any amount is pretty good.
00:42:10.000 Even if it didn't achieve what Elon had hoped for, it's kind of peak of power.
00:42:16.000 But what I was showing is the biggest cuts were to the civil service.
00:42:19.000 So, in a year and a half, the federal government shed about 270,000 workers.
00:42:24.000 So, that's about 12% of the whole workforce.
00:42:26.000 This was the fastest drop in the workforce since World War II.
00:42:31.000 And yeah, a lot of people claim hey, look, you know, most of government is Social Security and Medicare and all of that.
00:42:37.000 And this isn't a big deal.
00:42:38.000 The civil service workers are only a few hundred billion dollars a year, only 5% of the budget.
00:42:44.000 And to my mind, I say, wait a second.
00:42:47.000 A few hundred billion dollars a year is still a lot of money outside Washington, D.C., and you start adding those cuts over years and a decade, and exactly you get hundreds and billions in savings, which should have been bigger news than it was.
00:42:59.000 Yeah, and like I've got these examples here Veterans Affairs shrank 27,000.
00:43:03.000 The civilian side of the Department of War, 85,000 fewer civilians, which if you can cut that back, that's more money you can spend on people who fire guns, who drop bombs, who fight wars, which is not, you know, the civilian side of things.
00:43:16.000 But the other thing I really want to highlight and that you drive home is that so many people predicted total disaster due to these cuts, that they were going to permanently break the federal government.
00:43:27.000 And so you mentioned that, okay, we cut back the National Weather Service, but they were still able to handle.
00:43:33.000 Natural disasters that occurred, that they were predicting, oh, all of these big federal database efforts that are collecting data for the country, they're all going to start falling apart.
00:43:43.000 And I think you have this number, it was about 40 of our data sets broke down out of over half a million of these, apparently.
00:43:51.000 Or USAID, that they cut staff by 90%, but the amount of money being spent on the direct health aid that they said would be catastrophically lost, that actually is about where it's been historically.
00:44:05.000 It's just they cut back on staff.
00:44:06.000 In fact, let's dive into that one specifically because this is the big attack on Doge that they cut back USAID, and as a result, millions of people died somewhere.
00:44:17.000 Can you respond to that one?
00:44:18.000 Yeah, so the USAID claims and arguments was kind of the centerpiece of the case against Doge.
00:44:24.000 And I'll fully admit up front, a lot of this stuff is impossible to know.
00:44:27.000 We can't know exactly what changed after some of the Doge cuts went into effect.
00:44:33.000 We actually don't even know what the spending in the last year has really been on health.
00:44:38.000 What I try to show is what you mentioned is that the actual health spending that was appropriated by Congress was pretty stable to what it was historically.
00:44:46.000 You know, up, frankly, from the early 2000s.
00:44:48.000 It's a classic story of Washington anything that's not a huge increase must be a drastic cut.
00:44:54.000 But actually, we have these relatively strong levels of spending continuing.
00:44:59.000 Now, yeah, most of the cuts, though, when people talk about 90% of USAID being devastated, they are talking about that civilian workforce.
00:45:09.000 Which is where the Doge cuts actually really kind of pinch for much of the federal government.
00:45:14.000 And that doesn't mean millions of people are going to die if you don't have a big USAID workforce.
00:45:19.000 That's not what determines it.
00:45:21.000 Just like to your point about the Department of War, those 80,000 cuts to the Department of War didn't mean the Trump administration cut military spending.
00:45:28.000 In fact, quite the opposite.
00:45:29.000 It obviously increased military spending.
00:45:31.000 But what it was trying to do is show, hey, we can get more without the same bureaucracy.
00:45:36.000 And that was similar to the case for USAID.
00:45:38.000 And partially to your point about the National Weather Service and everything else, You know, you've had every journalist in DC and elsewhere desperately looking for these cases of how terrible the cuts have been for the country.
00:45:50.000 And as I try to go through case by case, they just really haven't found them yet.
00:45:54.000 Maybe they're out there.
00:45:56.000 I went into the article and I found this specific one.
00:45:58.000 I love this.
00:45:59.000 So it was 38 days that got discontinued.
00:46:01.000 And one of the ones we're not getting anymore is the annual count of mink pelts produced in the United States.
00:46:07.000 We lost that one.
00:46:09.000 We also lost an interactive map projecting how much climate change might cost each individual U.S. county.
00:46:16.000 I kind of suspect they might have gotten rid of that one regardless of Doge.
00:46:20.000 But yeah, so much good stuff in this.
00:46:23.000 And I just think it's maybe to offer some structure to this, how much have we gotten used to just bloating the federal government overall?
00:46:33.000 Like, why?
00:46:35.000 Like, are they really actually the best thing?
00:46:38.000 Could they make even more cuts than they already have?
00:46:41.000 Well, I think they certainly could.
00:46:42.000 We still have about a 2 million person federal workforce.
00:46:45.000 And, you know, it's, Huge enough that I think most people, even that are supporters of that size of the workforce, couldn't explain what a lot of it does.
00:46:54.000 Now, you have to be careful.
00:46:55.000 Like I try to point out in the piece too, if you look about that 2 million, 1.4 million works for either Department of War, Veterans Affairs, or Department of Homeland Security.
00:47:05.000 So the large majority work for departments that Republicans tend to support on the whole.
00:47:10.000 Now, that doesn't mean you can't cut those in the civil service workforce in them.
00:47:14.000 Again, I think the Trump administration and Doge showed you can do that.
00:47:17.000 But is there a lot of fat in the government to cut?
00:47:20.000 Yes.
00:47:20.000 And we just got too used to constantly growing the size of it over the past 30 years that everyone assumed nothing could be done.
00:47:26.000 And yet, Here we are, 270,000 people smaller, and government seems to be operating pretty much like it did before.
00:47:34.000 Isn't that funny?
00:47:35.000 It's like Elon when he took over X all over again.
00:47:37.000 He's just like lost 80% of the employees.
00:47:40.000 Things march forward.
00:47:42.000 Judge Glock, that's his name.
00:47:44.000 It is the coolest name.
00:47:45.000 Danny in the chat was telling us, Judge, that if you were a college football player, you'd be making millions on NIL just for the jersey sales alone.
00:47:56.000 And I think there's a lot of people that would love to have Glock on the back of their.
00:47:59.000 Jersey.
00:47:59.000 I'm going to be frank.
00:48:01.000 You've gotten at least one extra podcast appearance because of that excellent name, because that one totally kept your name.
00:48:08.000 We should have that Judge Glock guy on because that name's amazing.
00:48:12.000 Thank my mom for giving it to me.
00:48:13.000 Smart woman.
00:48:15.000 It's a good name.
00:48:15.000 It's a good name.
00:48:17.000 Let's talk about why Doge ended.
00:48:20.000 I don't think a lot of our audience understands, or did it end?
00:48:24.000 I mean, there's still this Doge spirit in there.
00:48:27.000 There might even be people that are still from the original Doge team.
00:48:31.000 I mean, I sort of.
00:48:32.000 Foggy on the details, Judge.
00:48:33.000 So, what is the current state of it?
00:48:35.000 And is this fraud task force kind of the natural outgrowth of what started under Doge?
00:48:41.000 So, yeah, I mean, Doge is interesting on a bunch of levels because even though it was called a department, it actually, of course, wasn't a department.
00:48:48.000 It was something that was created by executive order and they actually didn't really have a clear line item for it.
00:48:54.000 It was a bunch of people that moved into different agencies and kind of got Doge stamped on their name because they were associated with Elon or his top official, Steve Davis.
00:49:04.000 And, you know, it.
00:49:05.000 If you look at Doge at its peak, the people who are actually working for Doge, you're really only talking about, you know, 100, 120 people.
00:49:13.000 So, which is quite astounding.
00:49:15.000 You had one of the biggest stories in Washington, absolutely huge changes in government being carried out by, you know, around 100 people in this 2.3 million person workforce.
00:49:24.000 So, that's a big deal.
00:49:25.000 And obviously, what brought it to its end was the falling out between Elon and Trump, which was temporary.
00:49:33.000 I just saw Trump award a National Science Award medal.
00:49:38.000 To Elon, and they were obviously in very fine form together, and they were very much enjoying each other's company.
00:49:44.000 But in mid 2025, it really hit a breaking point.
00:49:48.000 Elon, at one point, had tweeted about Trump being in the Epstein files.
00:49:51.000 That's how ugly it had gotten.
00:49:53.000 Yes.
00:49:54.000 I remember.
00:49:56.000 That's right.
00:49:56.000 That's right.
00:49:57.000 How could we forget, Judge?
00:49:59.000 I know.
00:50:00.000 It's so many stories in the past year and a half, it's hard to remember all of them.
00:50:04.000 But for a while, that was a pretty wild story.
00:50:07.000 So, yeah, so the falling out between Elon, Elon and the Doge team had.
00:50:12.000 Really, let's say, pissed off a lot of people in the rest of the government.
00:50:15.000 They had pushed very far and very fast to cut things, including in agencies that got Trump's ear and were a little upset about the scale of the cuts.
00:50:25.000 Now, I've talked to people since who've admitted that, hey, I thought they went too far and too fast, but in retrospect, that was probably the only way to get it done.
00:50:35.000 And you can kind of see the results.
00:50:37.000 The proof is in the pudding of what they accomplished.
00:50:39.000 And it did continue to exist as this digital reform effort in what's called the General Services Administration.
00:50:46.000 I think that's really smart and I think it's accurate because that was some of the things I was hearing.
00:50:52.000 I was hearing some of the even cabinet secretaries were upset because these Doge people would come into their departments and just start slashing things.
00:50:59.000 And they're like, hey, am I the boss here or not?
00:51:01.000 And so it caused a lot of little tension within the administration because Elon Musk, if you know his history and anything, he's willing to go in and break glass.
00:51:10.000 He's willing to go in and disrupt the status quo.
00:51:13.000 So when we look at some of the stuff that we're seeing now with SNAP benefits, they're doing these big purges of the databases, the Social Security Administration, you're getting a big purge of these Social Security numbers that illegals had, or there were duplicates.
00:51:28.000 In this anti fraud task force, are these seeds that were planted under Doge and they've just sort of taken new form?
00:51:34.000 Is it fair to say, in another sense, Doge has continued on?
00:51:38.000 It's just sort of morphed.
00:51:41.000 I think that's accurate.
00:51:42.000 So, again, when Doge was such a small entity and when it really didn't even have its own power base, it was effectively an arm of the White House.
00:51:50.000 It had power because people knew Elon had Trump's ear and they knew they had support inside the White House itself.
00:51:56.000 And so people had to listen to them, even if they weren't formally on an org chart.
00:52:00.000 Saying you should listen to them.
00:52:02.000 And so that ethos did carry out in the rest of the government, and anti fraud became a prominent part of the Trump agenda.
00:52:10.000 It obviously was a big part of the SNAP cuts and the Medicaid cuts in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act.
00:52:17.000 It's become a huge part of Vice President JD Vance's work, and it's been a part of all of the different agencies in government now, partially because of what Doge did, and partially just because people got upset about the scale of fraud that came out of COVID.
00:52:32.000 They rightfully saw the hundreds of billions of dollars lost in fraud, and nobody was doing anything about it in the Biden administration.
00:52:39.000 So I think just time came around and people started to take this seriously in a way they weren't three or four years ago, or frankly, even before the pandemic.
00:52:47.000 All right.
00:52:47.000 So, Judge Blake tells me you are also really, really versed on housing, which seems like a departure of what we're talking about, but it's really not in a sense because we got these great Charlie tweets.
00:53:00.000 He says, We need to quickly deport 20 million illegals and build 10 million new homes.
00:53:04.000 You know, again, he says, if we don't improve the economic condition of young Americans, Mamdani and the destructive ideas he espouses will continue to spread.
00:53:11.000 We need a moonshot, Manhattan Project style 10 million new homes in three years, 20 million deportations and self deportations, reform and reduce legal immigration.
00:53:21.000 When it comes to housing, this is kind of where Charlie's head was at.
00:53:25.000 Is that where your head is at with housing?
00:53:27.000 What are you thinking about?
00:53:28.000 Because it's such a huge issue to our young people at Turning Point, across the country, that are worried they're not going to be able to afford the American dream.
00:53:36.000 What are you looking at in this space specifically?
00:53:38.000 So, yeah, on the immigration issue, there's been a huge amount of debate, and I get a lot of pushback for simply pointing out that you add around 7 million plus people as we did during the peak of the Biden year's immigration surge.
00:53:53.000 That's going to increase housing prices in the short term.
00:53:55.000 Housing does not suddenly get built when there's a huge surge of immigrants.
00:53:59.000 If you push them out, you're going to see proportionate reductions in housing prices.
00:54:03.000 Now, that's not the main reason for increased housing prices, but was it a factor in the run up during the Biden years?
00:54:09.000 Absolutely.
00:54:10.000 Now, on the building side of it, That is still the number one issue.
00:54:16.000 I used to be an econ professor, and I used to joke to my students that if I ever wake you up in the middle of a class and you didn't know what the question was, just say supply and demand, and that's probably the right answer to whatever I was asking.
00:54:27.000 That's the case here.
00:54:29.000 The demand went high, partially because of the immigration, partially because of the work from home tendencies during the pandemic, and the supply didn't increase.
00:54:37.000 We need to build more, but the government has gotten too much in the way of building, both the federal, state, and local level, and we're not doing enough of it.
00:54:45.000 Now, there's been a lot of effort to push at the federal level to open up more housing.
00:54:50.000 But frankly, what this has to do is happen at the state and local level.
00:54:53.000 And it often has to be a kind of trench warfare, piece by piece, house by house.
00:54:59.000 Maybe that's urban warfare, I guess, more than trench warfare, until you actually get this stuff built.
00:55:03.000 And luckily, we're seeing places like Texas and Florida doing it, but places like California and New York aren't.
00:55:09.000 Yeah, I think that's really smart.
00:55:11.000 Blake, good guest, Judge Glock from the City Journal and Manhattan Institute.
00:55:18.000 Yeah, check that out.
00:55:18.000 That's the same place Rufo's at.
00:55:20.000 They do so much good work.
00:55:21.000 You guys should read City Journal, support them, and go to them for ideas.
00:55:26.000 The administration should go to them for ideas.
00:55:28.000 They do sometimes.
00:55:29.000 Judge Glock, thank you for your time today.
00:55:31.000 Yeah, good.
00:55:32.000 Thank you so much, Project.
00:55:33.000 It was great fun.
00:55:34.000 Absolutely.
00:55:35.000 Thank you for that great, great research and those pieces over at City Journal.
00:55:38.000 Check them out.
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00:56:41.000 All right, without further ado, we have Chad Mizell.
00:56:44.000 He's the former chief of staff at the Department of Justice, the DOJ, and former general counsel for the Department of Homeland Security.
00:56:51.000 So, Chad, welcome to the show.
00:56:53.000 I don't think.
00:56:55.000 We could have anybody more perfect for the Ilhan Omar discussion than you.
00:56:59.000 You've got background as general counsel at DHS, and you were the chief of staff at the Department of Justice.
00:57:05.000 So, this is something that our audience is really interested in.
00:57:09.000 And I obviously understand that Ilhan Omar is not a favorite of the MAGA base, of the conservative crowd.
00:57:15.000 But we had Secretary Mullen on the show on Friday, and he said, Hey, this is not political.
00:57:20.000 This is not political at all.
00:57:22.000 This was not going to be pursued if it was going to be perceived as political.
00:57:26.000 Now we're hearing that they have her DNA, that they're looking into multiple different avenues from immigration fraud to maybe some of these issues with the finances.
00:57:38.000 We're hearing from James Comer in the House that they were sending barrels of wine that were empty.
00:57:44.000 I mean, tell us what you know and what you're perceiving from the signs you're seeing publicly released, what the DOJ, what the DHS, HSI are looking at specifically with Ilhan Omar.
00:57:56.000 There's a lot of scrutiny here.
00:57:57.000 That is clear.
00:57:58.000 She has been one of the most scrutinized members of Congress ever since she joined.
00:58:03.000 Even whenever she was running in the local elections in Minnesota, there were members, famously, the Powerline blog, which was publishing reports saying that she had married her brother, that she was engaged in immigration fraud, perhaps even she was engaged in bigamy.
00:58:16.000 Actually, even before this interview, I was reading reports dating back to 2018 accusing her of committing various crimes.
00:58:23.000 And so the notion that she is committing crimes or something is awry is not new.
00:58:28.000 Here's what is new.
00:58:30.000 Two federal grand juries investigating her.
00:58:33.000 The fact that a judge in Washington, D.C., a magistrate judge in Washington, D.C., a place not known to be particularly friendly to Donald Trump or MAGA politics, signed off on a search warrant of her D.C. residence.
00:58:45.000 Individuals went in there, they collected her passport, they collected her laptop, they collected her phone.
00:58:51.000 I mean, this shows a real, I would say, wave of law enforcement actions.
00:58:57.000 In addition, you have the U.S. attorney in D.C., Janine Pirro, also talking about issues with her financial disclosure.
00:59:04.000 And looking into that, what's going on there?
00:59:06.000 And so I would say, from the both immigration fraud angle, from a financial disclosure angle, Ileana Omar must be feeling the walls closing in on her.
00:59:16.000 Well, this is what's so interesting.
00:59:17.000 So, you know, she was not spotted for a while.
00:59:21.000 People were unclear, had she fled the country?
00:59:23.000 We were getting news reports saying that, you know, the feds were looking into it and they believed that she was still in the country.
00:59:30.000 But the fact that we were even talking about, could she have fled was an enormous.
00:59:35.000 Enormous storyline yesterday.
00:59:37.000 Now she has appeared, right?
00:59:40.000 So she is, she's gone on TikTok and sort of like a proof of life thing, proof of location.
00:59:45.000 We'll play the clip.
00:59:47.000 Sop 3.
00:59:48.000 Hi, everyone.
00:59:49.000 Ilhan here.
00:59:50.000 I just wanted to say thank you so much for the support to everyone who sent a note of support for everyone who sent $5, $10, $20.
01:00:02.000 That goes a long way as we fight Trump and His administration for trying to intimidate me and so many people right before the midterm elections.
01:00:17.000 We know that they're running scared.
01:00:18.000 We're not going to be intimidated.
01:00:20.000 We're not going to be silenced.
01:00:21.000 We're not going to be scared.
01:00:23.000 And please continue to support us.
01:00:25.000 It is going to be a very expensive and challenging time.
01:00:30.000 And so we appreciate whether you're able to send 5, 10, 20.
01:00:34.000 Thank you.
01:00:35.000 Which is very strange, actually, that she's soliciting donations, which you would presume would be.
01:00:41.000 I guess campaign donations.
01:00:42.000 So, is she going to finance her own legal fees through the campaign?
01:00:45.000 Is that legal?
01:00:46.000 Maybe you know the answer to that.
01:00:48.000 And I have one other question here, Chad.
01:00:51.000 How would the feds get her DNA?
01:00:53.000 Yeah, I would say it's not strange once you've lived in DC and you understand how DC works, because politicians will take every effort to put themselves in the spotlight and every effort to raise dollars.
01:01:05.000 I mean, it's a complete racket.
01:01:07.000 It really is a shame that that is where our democracy has turned to, is that.
01:01:11.000 If you were on the verge of an indictment, if you were being actively investigated, you were pleading to donors saying, Hey, give me more money, give me more money, give me more money.
01:01:19.000 So, am I surprised?
01:01:21.000 Not at all.
01:01:21.000 I mean, it's the same way that, you know, Dr. Fauci would go, and as soon as he left government and after convincing everybody, you know, numerous jurisdictions to take way too draconian efforts, then saying, Oh, hey, now I need to go raise money.
01:01:35.000 They might come after me.
01:01:36.000 Well, of course they're going to come after you.
01:01:38.000 If you broke the law, if you lied to the American people, of course the American people want accountability.
01:01:43.000 So, too, here.
01:01:45.000 The American people want accountability.
01:01:46.000 And so to use this as a fundraising effort, I'm not surprised by that, but it really just shows the disgusting state, I think, of our politics today.
01:01:55.000 Now, the DNA thing is interesting, right?
01:01:59.000 Where could it potentially lead?
01:02:01.000 If there's evidence that she married her brother, right?
01:02:04.000 If that marriage was a sham, that's why you've seen some reports saying that there's potentially an immigration conspiracy violation, or essentially that she conspired with her brother, perhaps among other people, in order to secure citizenship for somebody else.
01:02:19.000 Recall the timeline here.
01:02:20.000 She was said to have become a US citizen in 2000.
01:02:24.000 I don't believe some of the allegations relating to her brother and things like that ended up happening until several years later.
01:02:32.000 So it's not necessarily clear that it would impact her own citizenship, but it could give rise to a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy charge.
01:02:41.000 Yeah.
01:02:41.000 And just to be clear, would it be illegal for her to raise campaign dollars than to funnel that for personal criminal defense legal work?
01:02:51.000 You know, how the FEC works and labels campaign dollars is incredibly tricky.
01:02:56.000 So, and I'm not an expert in it, so I'd hesitate to say it would be illegal.
01:03:01.000 You know, it's a sort of complicated, fact specific test regarding whether specific dollars you are bringing in are related to campaign, is a legal effort, you know, related to a campaign.
01:03:11.000 You could argue, right, that certainly a legal effort, as for lawyers are sending letters to DOJ, leaking letters that they've sent to the DOJ, right?
01:03:19.000 It certainly has a feel for the campaign.
01:03:21.000 It certainly impacts the campaign, that's for sure.
01:03:23.000 But, you know, whether it actually is a campaign violation or not, it's tough for me to say.
01:03:28.000 I will say one thing, though, that is important.
01:03:30.000 People have talked about statute of limitations.
01:03:32.000 People have talked about is she going to go to jail?
01:03:35.000 Here's something that is unequivocal, and I think it picks up on something that Secretary Mullen said that this is not political.
01:03:42.000 It is a longstanding rule in U.S. immigration law that if you commit fraud in the process of becoming a U.S. citizen, or if you are dependent on somebody else, in this instance, her father, and he committed fraud in the process of becoming a U.S. citizen, and therefore your citizenship was fraudulently.
01:04:02.000 Obtained, there is a long standing process by which the Department of Justice will bring a civil suit against you in order to denaturalize you, revoke your U.S. citizenship, and then ultimately deport you.
01:04:16.000 And so I think that really needs to be highlighted here.
01:04:19.000 You know, regardless of what's going on in the investigation, and again, I'm seeing a lot, I'm hearing a lot, it's clear that there's a lot swirling here.
01:04:27.000 But the one thing to me that seems to be crystal clear is that if they can prove that she committed Fraud or that there was any fraud surrounding her becoming a U.S. citizen, her citizenship is eligible to be revoked.
01:04:42.000 And if it is revoked, then she will be deported from the United States.
01:04:46.000 Oh, that would be great.
01:04:47.000 It would just, it's such a.
01:04:49.000 Don't get us too excited here, Chad.
01:04:51.000 Don't get us too.
01:04:52.000 Go ahead, Blake.
01:04:52.000 So because it still just feels like a dream to me, it's such a long shot.
01:04:57.000 I haven't quite accepted that it could happen.
01:05:00.000 Do you think there's a good possibility we maybe get a medium outcome, which is it does seem there's just a lot of shady behavior?
01:05:07.000 In her own life.
01:05:08.000 Obviously, we've seen there's a lot of shadiness embedded within that wider community.
01:05:11.000 Do you think we could get a funny outcome where maybe we don't denaturalize Ilhan Omar, but we just end up with a bunch of process crimes along the way and she's just destroyed by that, the same way they got a lot of Trump people on process stuff with the Russia collusion hoax, for example?
01:05:27.000 Yeah, I think it's entirely possible.
01:05:29.000 I'll also say that I think it's entirely possible that she goes through this election, right?
01:05:34.000 She's going to continue pouring money into it.
01:05:36.000 She's going to continue to try to win if by chance she does win.
01:05:40.000 This election, I think she probably waits until the first week of January.
01:05:44.000 And if she really feels the pressure, if she really thinks that the walls are closing in on her, I wouldn't be surprised if she resigns from Congress in order to try to take the pressure off her, maybe sort of negotiate some sort of backroom deal to say, listen, I'm going to step away and resign.
01:05:58.000 And then you're in an instance where you have an open seat, the governor's appointing that seat, potentially triggering special election laws.
01:06:04.000 I'm not familiar with the specific laws governing Minnesota and how those things work, but could potentially trigger a special election.
01:06:12.000 And now we'd have a really important seat.
01:06:14.000 Up for grabs.
01:06:15.000 Yeah, I mean, it's very interesting, especially on the backdrop of what President Trump has just announced this fraud whistleblower incentive program.
01:06:24.000 I'm going to play the clip just to give the full rundown here.
01:06:27.000 SOT 7.
01:06:28.000 Today I'm thrilled to announce the fraud whistleblower incentive program.
01:06:34.000 Fraud whistleblower incentive program.
01:06:38.000 And mark those words.
01:06:41.000 Independent journalists and everybody and all Americans will now be able to go to the Fraud.gov and report cases of corruption and theft of taxpayer dollars in their communities, all via a new website.
01:06:55.000 Anybody that can prove that he turned somebody in, we are giving a commission to that person of 1%.
01:07:05.000 1% commission, that's huge.
01:07:07.000 And it's all related because, as Blake said, there's a lot of fraud in that Somali community up in Minnesota.
01:07:13.000 Nick Shirley was standing right next to the president in that announcement.
01:07:17.000 And Ilhan Omar, she's a big defender of her people.
01:07:21.000 Chad, this is going to be right up your alley.
01:07:23.000 So, out of LA, there was a major concession made.
01:07:27.000 Bill Asale was the one who broke this.
01:07:29.000 Bill Asale, of course, is the first assistant U.S. attorney for the Central District in California.
01:07:35.000 He says, Massive concession.
01:07:37.000 Los Angeles election officials just told a federal court they have no independent way to verify citizenship beyond what voters attest.
01:07:45.000 They simply take their word for it.
01:07:47.000 Under federal law, only citizens may vote in federal elections.
01:07:50.000 Yet California has not acted on the list of 20,000 suspected non citizens or agreed to set aside their ballots.
01:07:59.000 So, this is wild to the average American.
01:08:04.000 Now, Governor Gavin Newsom's press office account is going around saying, We follow federal law.
01:08:09.000 And I think this kind of gets at the crux of the issue why the Save America Act was so critical and why we pushed so hard for it.
01:08:16.000 Because two things can be true at once.
01:08:20.000 Going through this list of 20,000 suspected non citizens that have been provided to it, and they're not verifying anything.
01:08:26.000 They're saying we don't have the ability to do so.
01:08:28.000 LA saying we don't have the ability to do so.
01:08:31.000 What is true here?
01:08:32.000 What is federal law when it comes to non citizens voting and checking their registration?
01:08:38.000 And is it true that California is following federal law by allowing 20,000 people to go left unchecked, taking on the honor system?
01:08:46.000 There's so much going on in California.
01:08:48.000 There's so much rot there.
01:08:49.000 I'm going to do my best to unpack several layers of this.
01:08:52.000 The first thing that's really important to mention.
01:08:54.000 Is that it's not just talking about voter rolls.
01:08:56.000 We're talking about under California law who gets a mail in ballot.
01:09:01.000 California isn't just expecting every citizen to show up and vote in person like they do in Florida where I'm from, and you have to specially request a mail in ballot.
01:09:09.000 Everybody is automatically given a mail in ballot.
01:09:12.000 That's a huge problem if you have non citizens on your roll because you might have somebody who says, listen, I was applying for a driver's license, I checked a box, I accidentally registered to vote, I'm not a citizen, you know, mea culpa, and I didn't even show up to vote.
01:09:27.000 That's no longer true if a ballot is showing up at your address.
01:09:29.000 Whether you're filling it out, whether somebody else in your household is filling it out, it creates a serious problem.
01:09:35.000 So, what did DOJ do?
01:09:37.000 DOJ and the Department of Homeland Security went through the voter rolls, which they had access to.
01:09:41.000 They also went through the immigration database, which they also own and have access to.
01:09:45.000 And they compared names, addresses, date of births.
01:09:50.000 And they said, based on our overview of your voter rolls and our immigration database, we think these 20,000 human beings who you're about to send a ballot to, Who you in fact did send a ballot to in this particular case are not citizens and therefore not eligible to vote.
01:10:06.000 Please do not send them a ballot, or if it's too late, at least segregate these ballots until we figure out and get to the bottom of this.
01:10:13.000 California the entire time said, What are you talking about?
01:10:15.000 We follow the law, we follow the rules, we're doing everything we're supposed to do.
01:10:19.000 And now, this huge, huge, huge admission in court where they're saying, We actually have no clue whether these individuals are citizens or not.
01:10:28.000 I think you are actually opening out not only to probably like the biggest evidence of gross negligence that I've ever seen, but at some point, I wonder have they crossed the criminal line?
01:10:39.000 Whenever the Department of Justice is telling you, you are allowing non citizens to vote, you are sending non citizens a ballot.
01:10:47.000 And you refuse to take corrective actions to fix that problem.
01:10:51.000 At what point are you complicit?
01:10:53.000 At what point are you aiding and abetting somebody actually committing voter fraud?
01:10:58.000 So, do you think?
01:10:59.000 I mean, it would be amazing to see it.
01:11:03.000 We've been asking that forever.
01:11:05.000 I find myself, I almost go the other way in terms of I'm getting really worried.
01:11:09.000 It does seem like California, a big state, it's almost like they're just trying to get away with if they just say, we're going to not enforce any election laws at all.
01:11:18.000 And my mind is going a bit further.
01:11:21.000 What if California just basically just started pretending all of these illegals were citizens?
01:11:25.000 They started giving them every document they could.
01:11:28.000 Is there some chance where California could just massively foul up our entire system?
01:11:34.000 And basically, what if they laundered non citizens as citizens and basically did a California level amnesty and they just screwed it up for the whole country?
01:11:43.000 Would it be possible for them to get away with something like that if they attempted it?
01:11:46.000 Because it seems like they're trying.
01:11:48.000 I actually think we've seen instances of that happening elsewhere, not on the same scale, not at the same level.
01:11:53.000 But think about what broke in New Jersey.
01:11:55.000 I think it was a couple months ago where they said, oops, you know, via a glitch, we ended up registering thousands of non citizens, thousands of aliens to vote.
01:12:03.000 But don't worry, we only have evidence that a fraction of them actually voted in the election.
01:12:09.000 Some of these elections that you know come down to just a handful of votes.
01:12:12.000 But it's a bigger picture issue, right?
01:12:14.000 That is just the fraud you found.
01:12:16.000 That's not the fraud that has yet to be uncovered.
01:12:19.000 And when those same Democrat politicians are saying, don't come into our house, don't look under our bed, Don't look under this rock.
01:12:27.000 Everything is fine and dandy.
01:12:28.000 We've got it under control.
01:12:29.000 Leave us alone.
01:12:30.000 100%.
01:12:32.000 American people are asking the questions and they're saying, well, wait a second.
01:12:35.000 Something seems fishy here.
01:12:37.000 How come it takes you guys weeks and weeks and weeks to count votes?
01:12:41.000 How come the votes that come in at the end, the tail end of your counting period, always seem to give an edge to that one candidate who nobody thought was actually competitive in the race?
01:12:53.000 We saw this in LA.
01:12:54.000 How come these things continue to happen in a really, really fishy way?
01:12:59.000 And as soon as someone comes to take a look, you say, no, no, no, we've got everything under control.
01:13:04.000 So I do think it's an issue.
01:13:06.000 Listen, I think the states have been wise.
01:13:09.000 I'll pour to my home state of Florida, where I'm actually sitting right now.
01:13:14.000 I think that they've done a great job when it comes to redistricting.
01:13:16.000 I think it comes a great job when it comes to cleaning out corrupt officials who are often in Democrat cities, who I think have for too long turned a blind eye to what's going on in some of the corruption that we've seen in the voting.
01:13:31.000 But even if it's not corruption, Right?
01:13:33.000 Like we talk a lot about the criminal side, and certainly that was a big focus of mine, what I was doing at DOJ and Homeland Security.
01:13:40.000 But there's just also an incompetence level, right?
01:13:43.000 It is just sheer incompetence for LA, one of the largest, most populous counties in the entire United States, to say we actually have no way of knowing whether somebody who is coming up is a U.S. citizen or not.
01:13:58.000 That is just fundamentally not true.
01:13:59.000 The U.S. government is required under federal law, 8 U.S.C. 1373, they are required to share.
01:14:07.000 Immigration information with any state or local jurisdiction that asks for it.
01:14:12.000 So, all LA has to do is ask for it.
01:14:14.000 Are these people U.S. citizens, federal government?
01:14:16.000 You tell us yes or no.
01:14:18.000 And the federal government is required by law to provide an answer to that question.
01:14:23.000 So, they have perfect access to it.
01:14:25.000 They don't want the answer.
01:14:27.000 And that is what's most troubling to me.
01:14:29.000 That is damning what you just said.
01:14:31.000 So, they're playing dumb right now.
01:14:34.000 And they're refusing to do the basic steps that they could do to verify the citizenship of these voters, which is troubling.
01:14:41.000 I mean, You know, there's a whole part of this conversation I wanted to get to with you, Chad, about federal databases, right?
01:14:48.000 This is why President Trump signed the EO that the USPS was only going to deliver ballots to people that were, you know, on the federal voter database.
01:14:58.000 And the states, all these blue states, went and sued them.
01:15:00.000 There's something there that they do not want to reveal.
01:15:03.000 And by the way, all of this has implications for the census coming up in 2030.
01:15:07.000 So we have to get on this.
01:15:08.000 We have to stay on this beat.
01:15:10.000 Chad Mizell, thank you so much.
01:15:12.000 It was great analysis.
01:15:13.000 We appreciate you.
01:15:13.000 We'll talk to you soon.
01:15:14.000 Thank you guys.
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