The Charlie Kirk Show - America Lovers And America Haters: Charlie and Vivek at Georgia State University

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00:01:21.000 Hi, I'm Savannah, and I have a question about dual citizenship.

00:01:26.000 What is y'all's opinion on dual citizenship that's also known as dual nationality?

00:01:32.000 I'm against it.

00:01:33.000 Okay.

00:01:35.000 Yeah, I actually never thought that deeply about it, but yeah, I probably, if you're an American citizen, I think you should have to renounce the citizenship of another country. 0.95

00:01:43.000 Okay.

00:01:44.000 May I ask why you guys are against it?

00:01:47.000 Yeah, so citizenship is about your duty.

00:01:49.000 To whom do you actually pledge your allegiance?

00:01:52.000 And in theory, two nations can always have their interests conflict with one another.

00:01:55.000 And the question is, to which nation do you actually owe that sole allegiance?

00:01:59.000 So I think dual citizenship, to even say I'm against it, is even misses the mark. 0.73

00:02:04.000 It's actually an oxymoron because you can't possibly have conflicting loyalties when push comes to shove and two nations' interests conflict with one another.

00:02:13.000 You should be clear with yourself and with your country to whom your ultimate allegiance actually belongs.

00:02:18.000 And that's why I also favor lawmakers have to disclose if they have dual citizenship.

00:02:22.000 I think they should actually be willing and able to tell the public if they pledge allegiance to two countries.

00:02:27.000 Thank you very much.

00:02:27.000 Thank you.

00:02:29.000 Hello.

00:02:30.000 Y'all doing alright today?

00:02:31.000 Go ahead.

00:02:32.000 Good.

00:02:32.000 I'd like to challenge y'all mainly on like a moral landscape versus like a political landscape because I've not done my homework in the political realm.

00:02:42.000 So I'd like to challenge you on like your views on abortion and homosexuality.

00:02:46.000 Specifically Charlie because I've consumed some...

00:02:50.000 Way more of Charlie's clips.

00:02:54.000 I watched a clip of you.

00:02:56.000 I'd like to just confirm your viewpoint real quick.

00:02:59.000 I answer this at every tour stop.

00:03:01.000 Yes, I do not believe.

00:03:02.000 Personally, my family would not allow an abortion under any case unless the life of the mother. 0.79

00:03:07.000 That's correct.

00:03:07.000 Okay, so unless the life of the mother?

00:03:09.000 Unless the life of the mother, of which it would actually not be considered an abortion.

00:03:13.000 It's a medical procedure called a septujectomy, but that's, yes, abortion is the intentional taking of a fetus or a human life. 0.61

00:03:19.000 Our family would never do that personally, correct?

00:03:21.000 Okay, and you were brought up a scenario where a young girl, 10, 15-year-old girl was raped, and you were asked, should she give an abortion, or is it More moral to not give or give this abortion.

00:03:41.000 He said the baby will be aborted.

00:03:43.000 I said the baby will be delivered in the video.

00:03:46.000 Yeah, the baby will be delivered.

00:03:47.000 My bad.

00:03:48.000 And I think that's quite harsh to expect someone of this age and this life experience to have to do this. 0.81

00:03:57.000 Someone in this audience was conceived in rape.

00:03:59.000 Can you tell me who? 0.67

00:04:00.000 No.

00:04:01.000 So I have two ultrasounds.

00:04:03.000 One baby was conceived in rape.

00:04:04.000 One baby was conceived by a loving family.

00:04:06.000 Which one is which?

00:04:08.000 You cannot tell.

00:04:09.000 Yeah.

00:04:10.000 So therefore, universal human equality spans to all people regardless of the method of your conception, correct?

00:04:15.000 Sure.

00:04:16.000 So that is my position.

00:04:18.000 That is not exactly what I'm trying to tackle here.

00:04:21.000 I want you to look more at the person...

00:04:24.000 Having to give life to this baby and push it out of their body and go through a pregnancy. 0.75

00:04:31.000 Let's ask another moral question then.

00:04:33.000 Is it ever okay to do something evil after an evil act?

00:04:35.000 I want you to focus on my question real quick first.

00:04:37.000 No, I've answered it.

00:04:38.000 No, you've not answered it.

00:04:39.000 Well, I said the baby will be delivered.

00:04:41.000 Because, for example, murdering a baby is not the right thing after an evil.

00:04:46.000 That's the moral position I have.

00:04:47.000 Sure, and a general statement, I would agree.

00:04:50.000 As a general statement, yes.

00:04:52.000 So for example, under abortion, do you carve out a new morality?

00:04:55.000 Is there a different kind of morality that we apply only to abortion?

00:04:59.000 Well, it really is a case-by-case thing for me.

00:05:04.000 Really?

00:05:04.000 So that's case-by-case?

00:05:06.000 I mean, where in life do we do case-by-case?

00:05:08.000 Don't we have universal human morality, such as you shall not murder, people deserve human rights, I mean, sure, but...

00:05:16.000 Why should abortion be any different?

00:05:19.000 Because this...

00:05:20.000 So I believe the fetus or embryo or however you want to call it or whatever stage it's in, I believe it should not have the exact same rights as...

00:05:29.000 Got it.

00:05:30.000 So what species is it?

00:05:31.000 It is a human.

00:05:32.000 So then if it's a human species, doesn't it then get human rights?

00:05:36.000 Not necessarily.

00:05:37.000 Why?

00:05:38.000 Because there's a...

00:05:40.000 At what point does it get human rights?

00:05:44.000 I believe it gets human rights upon birth.

00:05:48.000 Wow, upon birth?

00:05:50.000 So even when it's 35 weeks, has a heartbeat, its own DNA, brain waves, can feel pain, touch, it can hear you, that baby doesn't get human rights?

00:05:59.000 Of course it deserves most rights, but when you are...

00:06:02.000 Like which ones?

00:06:03.000 Most rights?

00:06:04.000 Yeah, so if you were to, like for me, if my daughter, you know, was raped, I would 100% expect an option to not have this baby be born.

00:06:16.000 No, that's fine. 0.56

00:06:16.000 We just disagree. 0.56

00:06:17.000 You would be okay with murdering a baby. 0.97

00:06:19.000 I would not. 0.98

00:06:20.000 Why?

00:06:20.000 I think murder is a bit of a harsh...

00:06:22.000 So let me ask.

00:06:23.000 You said you're case by case.

00:06:24.000 Let me give you a case to react to.

00:06:27.000 Pregnant woman walking down the street. 0.72

00:06:29.000 She's assaulted.

00:06:30.000 The unborn child dies as a consequence. 0.76

00:06:33.000 Should that criminal be held liable for that death or not?

00:06:38.000 Yes.

00:06:39.000 Okay, so therefore we agree that that was actually a moral wrong and a crime that was committed, which means we have common ground, right?

00:06:44.000 And by the way, you're not alone in that.

00:06:46.000 Nearly every pro-choice person I've met in this country says the same thing, that if the woman is assaulted, she's pregnant, the unborn child dies as a consequence.

00:06:55.000 In that context, I haven't met a single person who says we don't treat that as actually a death that that criminal is responsible for.

00:07:01.000 So that says we actually all share that same instinct in common.

00:07:04.000 Let me just shift.

00:07:05.000 We're on a diverse campus, as Charlie mentioned.

00:07:06.000 We're here in the city of Atlanta.

00:07:08.000 Let me just talk about Planned Parenthood for a second because there's an agenda here.

00:07:11.000 It's not about these one-off fringe theoretical cases.

00:07:14.000 Planned Parenthood was built on a racist agenda to actually stop the birth of one race of people. 0.97

00:07:20.000 That is the black race of people. 0.99

00:07:22.000 And I know this may be controversial to say, but when you look at the number of deaths in this country, lynching ain't got nothing, actually, on the abortions that have occurred in this country targeted against one racial community.

00:07:34.000 And so when I hear Kamala Harris walking around talking about reproductive rights, I can't stand it anymore because they're effectively having an agenda preventing the reproduction of one class of Americans. 1.00

00:07:45.000 And I think especially sitting where we are today, we've got to recognize that racist agenda for what it is, too.

00:07:50.000 So thank you, man.

00:07:51.000 I appreciate the question.

00:07:52.000 Just push back a little bit.

00:07:54.000 Stay out of the political realm.

00:07:56.000 Who said who?

00:07:56.000 Who said what?

00:07:59.000 Last word.

00:08:00.000 Last word, and then we've got to give other people a turn, all right?

00:08:02.000 All right.

00:08:03.000 So, besides the cultural landscape of my generation, so personally, I think my generation has started to abuse the abortion, the option of abortion, and that has led to our society, our culture...

00:08:22.000 Hello, my name is Ethan.

00:08:24.000 I have a question for both of you, and then I have a question for Charlie specifically.

00:08:28.000 So the first question is, would you two, or just Turning Point USA as a company as a whole, would you guys be willing to make a course based on how to do political research?

00:08:39.000 Because for me, I'm absolutely clueless when it comes to it.

00:08:43.000 I think I miss a lot of nuance and opposing sides when I do it.

00:08:46.000 So would you guys be willing to sell a course like that?

00:08:50.000 Yeah, I think it's a great idea.

00:08:51.000 It's great.

00:08:51.000 I love that.

00:08:52.000 All right.

00:08:53.000 And then I have a question for Charlie specifically, because I'm a Christian and I enjoy debating with people.

00:09:01.000 And I know in the Bible it says not to cast your pearls upon the swine.

00:09:05.000 And so my question is, how do I find like a happy medium between not casting my pearls, but at the same time trying to desperately save a fellow American?

00:09:14.000 Yeah, that's a great question.

00:09:16.000 I can tell you what I do, which is I try to tell the truth in all circumstances, regardless of the backlash.

00:09:22.000 The scriptures say repeatedly that we are called to be disciples of all nations, not just converts of all nations, and to be salt and light.

00:09:30.000 When you are salt and light, that means you try to change the environment that you come in contact with.

00:09:34.000 So you constantly need to ask the question, are you changing the environment that you come in contact with to be more godly, more Christ-like, and elevating towards the divine, or are you becoming more worldly?

00:09:43.000 And again, we're all sinners.

00:09:45.000 We all fall short of the glory of God.

00:09:46.000 We all need Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

00:09:48.000 All of us.

00:09:49.000 And Christ is King.

00:09:51.000 That's right.

00:09:52.000 And with that belief, though, we must understand, how did Jesus and the early church practice their ministry?

00:09:58.000 So I've only seen really one instance, because this is a new question that I've been kind of debating with.

00:10:05.000 But the only instance that I've seen is how he would deal with the Pharisees.

00:10:08.000 Since he knew that the Pharisees wouldn't listen, he would actually make an example of them.

00:10:13.000 Other people that would be willing to listen would get the lesson that the Pharisees weren't.

00:10:18.000 But at the same time, I think it would be nearly impossible to accomplish that in a one-on-one scenario unless it was to be recorded.

00:10:27.000 I have to think more deeply about that.

00:10:28.000 I don't know.

00:10:29.000 What I do know, though, is that Christ was simultaneously absolutely love and absolutely truth.

00:10:36.000 And in the current status, we only present Christ as absolutely love, not truth.

00:10:41.000 And if we dive deeper into the scriptures, we realize that if you really love somebody, you love to correct them.

00:10:46.000 See, in the modern day church, we think of church as affirmation, when in reality it should be correction.

00:10:52.000 And so in our life, this is where it could come across as people think you're judgy, or yet you're trying to cast them into a negative light.

00:10:59.000 We must have enough love to love somebody that if they're currently in a place of permanent behavioral sin, not one-off sin, but lifestyle behavioral sin.

00:11:07.000 For example, if your best friend is an adulterer and drinking out to 3 a.m.

00:11:11.000 every night, Do you love that person enough to tell them they have to get their act together?

00:11:15.000 Or do you just say, hey, I love you so much.

00:11:17.000 Keep on doing what you're doing, right?

00:11:19.000 So that would be my advice to you is to have that balance between love and truth.

00:11:22.000 We can't forget the truth side of the coin.

00:11:24.000 Thank you so much.

00:11:25.000 Sorry, one more question.

00:11:26.000 Okay.

00:11:27.000 So it is my birthday today.

00:11:29.000 Happy birthday.

00:11:29.000 What's your name?

00:11:30.000 Ethan.

00:11:31.000 Ethan?

00:11:32.000 Yes.

00:11:32.000 Ethan, happy birthday.

00:11:33.000 I was wondering if I could get a picture after the event's finished.

00:11:35.000 Absolutely.

00:11:36.000 Bring Ethan around right now.

00:11:37.000 I'll get Ethan a birthday picture, all right?

00:11:39.000 Bring Ethan around.

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00:12:44.000 What's up?

00:12:45.000 My name's Gavin, and I actually turned 18 today, too.

00:12:49.000 I'm a first-time voter.

00:12:50.000 Woo! 0.99

00:12:50.000 Happy birthday, man! 0.99

00:12:52.000 Alright, it's really your birthday?

00:12:53.000 Yeah, I'm in high school.

00:12:54.000 I'm going to have to see some identification or something.

00:12:55.000 I'm in high school.

00:12:56.000 I can show you.

00:12:56.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:12:56.000 We'll come and get you a picture.

00:12:57.000 If you're a birthday, I'll get you a picture.

00:12:58.000 That's the rule.

00:12:59.000 I'm missing class right now, actually.

00:13:02.000 So, I want to talk about why I'm so conservative and about immigration, because I think the dynamic's kind of been...

00:13:10.000 Alter it a little bit.

00:13:11.000 So my father, he grew up in Macau, China.

00:13:15.000 He moved here when he was 17 with his sister and his aunt because his parents wanted him to have better opportunities because America is the best country in the world.

00:13:24.000 And when he got here, the day he stepped in America, he began working on his process to become a citizen.

00:13:32.000 And they, reminder, they couldn't even speak English.

00:13:37.000 They didn't have, they lived in an apartment.

00:13:39.000 But he was so strong that that's the only way.

00:13:41.000 And that is the right way.

00:13:43.000 And that it should be the only way always.

00:13:45.000 And now that there's the dynamic that the system excludes immigrants, the system's unfair.

00:13:50.000 We should allow as many to come in as possible, really like was unfair to him.

00:13:56.000 And he would talk about when people say like, I hate America.

00:14:02.000 I hate living here.

00:14:03.000 He was the biggest patriot I knew, and he would always argue, like, move, live somewhere else, because he actually lived in a communist country and says this is the best country in the world and stands by it.

00:14:15.000 And so...

00:14:17.000 Now I'm pursuing politics in honor of him because he passed away about a year and a half ago.

00:14:23.000 And if he saw the direction the country was going in right now, he'd be disgusted because he found it so unfair.

00:14:32.000 Correct me if I'm wrong, there's like 10,000 to 15,000 immigrants coming in a day.

00:14:36.000 When he had to do it the fair way, he had to do it the hard way, but it's the only right way.

00:14:41.000 So I just wanted to talk about that.

00:14:43.000 Happy birthday, man.

00:14:44.000 Your dad sounds like a hero.

00:14:46.000 I'll give you three simple principles for immigration.

00:14:49.000 Think about this like your body.

00:14:52.000 Think about your nation like a body.

00:14:53.000 No migration without consent.

00:14:55.000 Consent should only be granted to migrants who benefit America, people like your father. 1.00

00:15:00.000 And by the way, if you enter without consent, you must be removed.

00:15:04.000 It's that simple.

00:15:04.000 Now, here's something we don't talk about often enough.

00:15:07.000 The real root cause of the immigration crisis is the welfare state in America. 0.92

00:15:11.000 So if you say to people that if you're going to enter this country and you're going to make contributions, and I believe you have to be able to speak English, and I think you should be able to pledge allegiance to this country, if you check all of those boxes, but also you cannot get any form of government assistance, welfare, Medicaid, any type of government aid for the next 10 years after you're here, 70 percent any type of government aid for the next 10 years after you're here, 70 percent of our immigration And so the problem is we've got this nanny state in America, and then we open the doors to anybody who wants to come in or lie about their basis for coming in.

00:15:39.000 That's how you get to the crisis we have today versus people like your dad who are going to say, you know what, I'm going to work hard.

00:15:43.000 I'm going to be self-sufficient, raise a son, a young man, and a son who's as engaged as you are right now.

00:15:48.000 Happy birthday to you on the age of 18. I think that that's the kind of thing that's a good story that's been bastardized into this mass illegal exodus from these other countries that we've seen.

00:15:57.000 So thank you, man.

00:15:58.000 Yes, sir.

00:15:59.000 Thank you.

00:15:59.000 We'll get a picture, too.

00:16:00.000 Thanks, man.

00:16:00.000 Yeah, so I kind of disagree.

00:16:03.000 So I'm a registered libertarian.

00:16:06.000 And again, I'm kind of concerned about the tariffs.

00:16:09.000 Being an Austrian-trained economist, my thinking on the situation is why not let China expand its credit and just fall into a debt trap spiral and, you know, reap the rewards of, you know, cheap goods from China and then...

00:16:24.000 Eventually they collapse.

00:16:25.000 So here's a real answer to that question.

00:16:27.000 So as a libertarian, have you ever read Hayek?

00:16:29.000 Yeah.

00:16:29.000 You read The Road to Serfdom?

00:16:30.000 Yep.

00:16:31.000 Good.

00:16:31.000 So in The Road to Serfdom, Hayek actually makes it clear that he's misunderstood today in the modern libertarian memory of it versus the real thing.

00:16:37.000 He says a nation cannot depend, for example, on an adversary for its own military.

00:16:42.000 Let me ask you just a question.

00:16:43.000 Do you know which nation is the biggest supplier of the U.S. military today?

00:16:47.000 You could probably guess it.

00:16:48.000 It's China. 0.90

00:16:49.000 It's China. 0.90

00:16:50.000 So it makes absolutely no sense, for example, for the United States to depend on China as the number one supplier of our air force, our military, including our army and our navy.

00:17:00.000 It just doesn't make any sense.

00:17:01.000 Forty percent of the semiconductors made for the U.S. Department of Defense come from China.

00:17:05.000 So even a principled libertarian like one of the OGs, like Friedrich von Hayek, would tell you that doesn't make any sense, yet that's where we are today. 0.94

00:17:11.000 Here's something also Austrian school economists would tell you is if somebody else is applying a big tariff or an unfair trading advantage to the United States, us saying that we have to play on a level playing field, that's not actually a violation of free market principles.

00:17:24.000 It's a recognition that the market was not free in the first place.

00:17:27.000 So those would be the two things I would leave you with.

00:17:29.000 And if you look at Donald Trump's actual record in his first four years, that's actually the way he led.

00:17:33.000 So that's where the actions speak louder than words.

00:17:35.000 Can I ask you a question?

00:17:36.000 Yeah, you can.

00:17:37.000 If there was a policy that made markets more free but hurt your country, would you support it?

00:17:45.000 What do you mean by hurt the country?

00:17:47.000 For example, during the 1970s and 80s, we decided to shut down a lot of factories and send those jobs to China because it made markets more free and we could get goods cheaper, but it obviously hurt the country.

00:18:01.000 So if there was a choice where it made markets freer and it did not hurt the country, would you support it?

00:18:10.000 No, because I think in the long run it actually helps the country and I think Reagan's administration kind of shows that.

00:18:15.000 See, I just approached it a little bit differently because we got three different views here.

00:18:18.000 One is I don't actually think that it made markets more free.

00:18:21.000 I think the idea of tipping those jobs to China when the government is actually subsidizing those industries was not actually the free market in the first place.

00:18:27.000 It was some made-up mercantilist myth that the CCP took advantage of laughing at a bunch of people who were at the old generations of conservatives from the 1980s who said that was free market capitalism.

00:18:36.000 When in fact that it wasn't.

00:18:38.000 I used to be an Austrian guy. 0.99

00:18:40.000 It's all a bunch of rubbish, right?

00:18:42.000 Because it's never worked, and it never will work. 0.91

00:18:45.000 It's all abstraction staring into the sky.

00:18:47.000 And let me tell you, when you go drive through Ohio and Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and you see the deindustrialization of this country, and we were told that it was a good thing, it just hasn't been.

00:18:57.000 And so, again, I went to all the Von Mises stuff.

00:19:00.000 I went to all the Hayek stuff.

00:19:02.000 The literature is very compelling, and there is some truth in the monetary policy of Austrian economics.

00:19:07.000 That is the strongest component, where they argue business cycles need to be organic, not artificial, and that the money supply component of Austrian economics is great.

00:19:16.000 However, when we get to trade, there needs to be a non-abstraction, more reality-focused way of looking at how we do trade, and we're just not going to necessarily agree on that.

00:19:27.000 Here's my opinion, is that The ultimate principle should be, is it good for the country, not is it good for the ideology?

00:19:34.000 And we've been having policy that's good for ideology, not for the country.

00:19:38.000 Yeah, so a question I have more for Vivek.

00:19:41.000 So I guess one tariff that definitely affects Americans that Trump's sort of having to come back around to is the electric car tariff.

00:19:50.000 So I agree entirely with the national defense argument.

00:19:53.000 That's part of the reason why Biden was Angola, to help secure critical resources from the DRC.

00:19:59.000 So I give credit to both candidates for doing that.

00:20:02.000 But electric cars, right?

00:20:05.000 Trump's now saying that you get 25K deduction.

00:20:08.000 So here's the deeper issue.

00:20:10.000 So why should taxpayers have to eat that cost instead of Chinese people subsidizing it overseas? 0.95

00:20:16.000 So you get to the real problem when you start using the word subsidizing.

00:20:19.000 Here's the real problem with electric cars is that taxpayers have been eating the cost since the advent of electric cars in the United States because taxpayers are paying for some guy in California to buy an electric vehicle at the expense of a guy who wants to buy a gas-powered car in Georgia or in the state of Ohio.

00:20:32.000 So that's the root cause in the first place.

00:20:34.000 So I would say that – see, here's the thing, and this is where I actually really agree with the bang of Charlie's statement, which is we've never really had the libertarian utopia because we were never operating according to capitalist principles in the first place.

00:20:48.000 So we've had – I mean the state subsidies in the first place – and Donald Trump's in favor of this, by the way.

00:20:53.000 He says – and I agree with this too.

00:20:55.000 I mean I'm a friend of Elon Musk.

00:20:56.000 I like the fact that he's got Tesla, and that's great.

00:20:58.000 We just shouldn't have the taxpayers paying for other EVs.

00:21:00.000 And the beauty of this is actually if we got rid of the EV subsidies – a lot of people don't know this – Tesla would actually be better off because a lot of the other Ford and GM and inefficient makers are the ones relying on government largesse in the first place.

00:21:12.000 And so in some ways we're in the worst of all worlds actually.

00:21:15.000 We're neither following Hayek or Mises, nor are we actually doing what's best for American workers or manufacturers.

00:21:21.000 And actually pick either of those options, it's going to be better than the state of affairs that exists today.

00:21:25.000 And I think Donald Trump, he's a pragmatist.

00:21:27.000 He gets it.

00:21:27.000 And so that's why to libertarians out there, you could look at a textbook and say that Donald Trump's not going to be your ideal candidate.

00:21:34.000 But if you look at who actually, over the course of four years in office, better follow those principles, no doubt about it, it's not even the libertarian candidate for U.S. president this time.

00:21:42.000 It's Donald Trump.

00:21:43.000 Thank you so much.

00:21:44.000 We got into other questions.

00:21:44.000 Thank you.

00:21:45.000 The main question is, like, it's for Charlie.

00:21:47.000 Like, why do you feel like the Civil Rights Act was a mistake?

00:21:50.000 So parts of it were really good.

00:21:52.000 Parts of it were not so good.

00:21:54.000 So, for example, the way the Civil Rights Act was constituted is that now it is being applied in ways that it was never intended.

00:22:01.000 For example, the Civil Rights Act is coming in to allow men in female locker rooms. 1.00

00:22:06.000 I don't know if you know that or not.

00:22:07.000 And so the Civil Rights Act has now been used as this major overarching standard that is not just about ending bitter racial segregation, which I'm against and you're against, right?

00:22:18.000 No person should ever be discriminated based on the color of their skin.

00:22:20.000 What the Civil Rights Act has done, passed through multiple decades, is the law of unintended consequences, that it's created this leviathan within the Department of Justice.

00:22:29.000 For example, let me give you just another example.

00:22:30.000 I have like 100 of these.

00:22:31.000 In the state of North Carolina, they wanted to say that you need voter ID in order to vote.

00:22:36.000 I don't know where you come down on that issue.

00:22:37.000 I think that requiring identification of vote is so normal, so simple, it is skin color. 0.93

00:22:43.000 It's colorblind, right?

00:22:45.000 Merrick Garland from the Department of Justice came in and sued and says you should not be able to ask for voter ID because of the Civil Rights Act.

00:22:52.000 Because it disproportionately hurts black Americans.

00:22:55.000 So what would happen is the Civil Rights Act, it did not target discrimination.

00:22:59.000 It targeted disparities.

00:23:01.000 And disparities is different than discrimination.

00:23:03.000 Does that make sense?

00:23:04.000 So individualized discrimination, we've always been against.

00:23:07.000 But what happens if you have one group that does better than another group?

00:23:11.000 There are other explanations for that other than racism.

00:23:14.000 Unfortunately, the Civil Rights Act, what it does is it goes back and says everything can be ascribed back to racism as our original sin.

00:23:20.000 Now, let me just go one final point, is that the fanfare that the Civil Rights Act is met with, it's almost like the new Constitution.

00:23:27.000 We talk about the Civil Rights Act more than the Constitution.

00:23:30.000 It is cited more than the Constitution.

00:23:33.000 We almost had a new American founding in the 1960s with the Civil Rights Act, which, again, I want to be very clear, and I've always been...

00:23:40.000 No human being should ever be discriminated against because of the color of their skin.

00:23:44.000 That is always something we've agreed with.

00:23:46.000 it.

00:23:47.000 But the Civil Rights Act has become almost the super constitution of the land.

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00:24:54.000 Let me say a couple words because this is actually something that's near and dear to my heart.

00:24:57.000 The civil rights sector is part of a broader project that LBJ had called The Great Society.

00:25:01.000 And one of the things – I'm a pragmatist.

00:25:03.000 I'm a businessman by background.

00:25:04.000 I look at the results.

00:25:06.000 So let me share a couple of hard facts with you, which is that it turns out that you're much more likely to end up in prison.

00:25:12.000 You're much more likely to end up in poverty.

00:25:14.000 You're much more likely not to graduate from high school if you grow up in a single-parent household versus a dual-parent household.

00:25:20.000 Today, you're talking about upwards of 60% of black kids born into single-parent households rather than dual-parent.

00:25:27.000 What number do you think that was in the 1950s before the Great Society?

00:25:30.000 Probably like 40. It was even less, 20%.

00:25:34.000 Damn. 1.00

00:25:34.000 20% back then. 1.00

00:25:36.000 So then we look at what the results have been of this entire agenda.

00:25:39.000 Put the Civil Rights Act, put the LBJ Great Society. 0.92

00:25:43.000 Black Americans are worse off today, even economically in terms of mobility, than they were back then in the name of laws that were passed to supposedly advance black interests. 0.99

00:25:53.000 So the results haven't worked out so well. 0.58

00:25:54.000 I want to just bring it back to this election.

00:25:56.000 All right, and I'm going to ask you questions.

00:25:57.000 This is not like it's a grilling, but more because you have no reason to know the answers to these.

00:26:01.000 But we're close to politics, so I'm going to ask you these questions, all right?

00:26:04.000 So what do you think?

00:26:05.000 If you take the first three years of Donald Trump versus the first three years of Joe Biden, where we have data for it, were more blacks unemployed under Joe Biden, or were they unemployed under Donald Trump?

00:26:15.000 No, I think they were unemployed under Joe Biden.

00:26:17.000 That's correct.

00:26:17.000 So it's about 70,000 more black Americans were unemployed under Joe Biden.

00:26:20.000 Now look at the ones who are actually employed.

00:26:23.000 Of the black Americans who were employed, did they make more money under Donald Trump or more money under Joe Biden?

00:26:28.000 I wasn't working, so I wouldn't even know.

00:26:30.000 Fair enough.

00:26:31.000 It's about $1,500 more per year that black Americans earned under Donald Trump versus Joe Biden.

00:26:37.000 You want to talk about the number of black Americans who own the home they actually live in?

00:26:41.000 700,000 more own the home they lived in under Donald Trump's years versus Joe Biden.

00:26:46.000 So I end up judging on the basis of results.

00:26:49.000 And this started since LBJ. This was a bribe.

00:26:52.000 I think this was a bribe to black Americans, which earned 95% to 97% loyalty of black Americans to Democrats. 0.61

00:26:59.000 That is the single most loyal group to any political party in the history of our country.

00:27:04.000 97% of black Americans tend to vote for Democrats.

00:27:08.000 Without that, the Democratic Party is toast.

00:27:10.000 You have been part of the most loyal group to the Democratic Party.

00:27:14.000 The question is, what have you gotten in return for that loyalty?

00:27:18.000 I feel that.

00:27:19.000 And the answer is not very much, actually.

00:27:21.000 And I think Donald Trump, when you judge based on the results, has actually given you at least results, even if it's a little bit different than the rhetoric along the way.

00:27:28.000 And I do come down on the same side of Charlie with respect to the Great Society is that that, I think, in the name of helping black Americans was disastrous. 0.68

00:27:36.000 And I think what we would be better doing for all Americans is go back to the first constitution rather than the second one that we reinvented.

00:27:42.000 So my question to Charlie, if you had the opportunity, you would get rid of the Civil Rights Act?

00:27:49.000 No, I think you should have a one-page bill that says that racial discrimination based on race is illegal and will not be tolerated in the United States of America.

00:27:56.000 I would simplify it.

00:27:57.000 I would not have all...

00:27:58.000 So what happened is that the Civil Rights Act has nine different titles in it, and you have this Leviathan that was created, and something that most black Americans don't support is men and female sports. 0.58

00:28:11.000 Would you agree?

00:28:12.000 Wait, say that again?

00:28:13.000 Men playing in female sports. 0.63

00:28:15.000 Oh, hell no.

00:28:15.000 Yeah, I know.

00:28:16.000 No, no, for sure, right?

00:28:18.000 Believe it or not, the Civil Rights Act is now being used to keep men playing in women's sports.

00:28:23.000 So the Civil Rights Act was used to help black America originally. 0.56

00:28:28.000 Totally get that.

00:28:29.000 But now the way it was written is that any claim of identification...

00:28:33.000 So someone says, I'm a woman.

00:28:35.000 Therefore, I can compete in your volleyball team.

00:28:37.000 They come in with a civil rights claim.

00:28:39.000 And so what we're saying is, no, no, no.

00:28:41.000 It should be specified to racial, not gender, all that other stuff.

00:28:45.000 And there were all these other provisions as well.

00:28:47.000 All right.

00:28:47.000 And my, like, last question.

00:28:49.000 Do you think, like, if Trump come back into office, you think, like, Young Thug is getting free or, like, any of these people in jail?

00:28:55.000 Y'all know Young Thug?

00:28:56.000 Who's getting free?

00:28:57.000 Young Thug.

00:28:58.000 Is Young Thug getting free if Trump come back into office?

00:29:00.000 Would you vote for him if he promised a pardon?

00:29:03.000 Oh yeah, hell yeah.

00:29:04.000 If Young Thug was coming back, we need new music and stuff, so I feel like, yeah.

00:29:08.000 We'll pass that along.

00:29:09.000 Alright, I feel like.

00:29:10.000 Appreciate that.

00:29:11.000 What's your name again?

00:29:12.000 Gerald Gerald.

00:29:12.000 Nice to meet you, man.

00:29:13.000 Thank you.

00:29:14.000 Super good question.

00:29:14.000 Thank you.

00:29:15.000 Hello.

00:29:16.000 My name is Akilah.

00:29:18.000 I'm 18. I turned 18 in March, but I'm from Chicago, so I'm doing mail-in voting.

00:29:22.000 Oh, you are too.

00:29:23.000 That's cool.

00:29:24.000 Anyways, so basically in 2014, Venezuela went into a seven-year recession.

00:29:28.000 I'm just trying to give context for a situation for people that don't know, but like because of the president, Nicolas Maduro, basically it was like a government-controlled election.

00:29:36.000 So with that, like 8 million Venezuelans have left the country since 2014, and they have landed themselves in some of the major cities in the U.S., like Chicago, like Denver, like New York.

00:29:47.000 So with that, there has been an increase in crime, because I'm from Chicago, so I know that there's a problem with homelessness in 2023 when the Biden administration extended legal status to the immigrants if they had a work visa.

00:30:05.000 I'm just wondering, what further steps do you think America should take in policing the Venezuelan refugee crisis?

00:30:13.000 What can we do to help the Venezuelans in the source?

00:30:16.000 Because also in August of 2017, I know that Trump proposed a military option, and he kind of nodded to the 1989 US invasion of Panama, where they deposed the leader.

00:30:29.000 I'm sorry, I'm trying to make this short.

00:30:31.000 But I also want to preface, I'm voting for Kamala Harris, but I'm not here to make politically charged statements.

00:30:38.000 So yeah, just like, what do you think, regardless of who's president after the election, what do you think should be done about the crisis?

00:30:43.000 Well, just, I want to just, I'm not here to pin, but I would have you reconsider your choice for Kamala Harris if you care about the Venezuelans in these cities.

00:30:51.000 Because she'll just, you'll have another 20 million people come into these cities. 1.00

00:30:54.000 And you know it's tearing Chicago apart.

00:30:56.000 I mean, yeah, because in 2023 or something like that, about 300, over 300,000 Venezuelan refugees came to the U.S. border.

00:31:05.000 It'll be 3 million if she's elected, just so you're clear, okay?

00:31:09.000 Sure.

00:31:10.000 So what will Donald Trump do?

00:31:11.000 Very simple.

00:31:11.000 On day one, if you have committed a crime, including a DUI, you're deported back to your country of origin.

00:31:16.000 Period.

00:31:17.000 That if you commit a crime on American soil, we're not going to house you, we're not going to feed you, we're not going to put you in prison.

00:31:21.000 You get back on a flight and you go back there.

00:31:23.000 Number two, if you are part of a gang, like Trendale Raga, which is taking over apartment complex in Chicago or Aurora, Colorado, get back on a plane and you go back.

00:31:32.000 Then from there, you have to have a plan of a deportation effort with Immigration Customs Enforcement and Department of Homeland Security.

00:31:38.000 But Vivek can take this.

00:31:39.000 All of that is all applicable only if you secure the border or else you just keep on trying to get the basement to stop flooding without actually trying to plug the leak.

00:31:48.000 So I've been to the south side of Chicago.

00:31:49.000 I've seen exactly what you describe as well.

00:31:52.000 I'm just curious, knowing what you do, because you were pretty well informed in that question.

00:31:56.000 I actually think a lot of this is intentional in countries like Venezuela.

00:31:59.000 They're smart.

00:32:00.000 They're not sending us their best and brightest.

00:32:01.000 They're sending us the people who are criminals over there that become criminals over here.

00:32:05.000 And they're laughing at us at every step of the way.

00:32:07.000 And we're giving them foreign aid, by the way.

00:32:10.000 One other thing I would do, and I think Donald Trump's on the same page here, is cut off foreign aid to these countries unless and until they've stopped exporting these illegals to our own country as well. 0.98

00:32:18.000 But my question for you is, knowing as much as you do about this border crisis and seeing how much it's worsened in the last three years, why on earth are you voting for Kamala Harris who's actually been part of the administration that gave us this crisis in the first place?

00:32:31.000 Okay, well, you know, like I said, I'm not really here to make politically charged statements.

00:32:35.000 That's fair enough.

00:32:35.000 No, no, no, I get it.

00:32:36.000 I'm just saying because, like, I'm going to be honest, I'm not too well-versed on, like, actual policies that aren't regarding that specifically because I kind of had to write a research paper on it.

00:32:46.000 Have you voted yet?

00:32:47.000 No, I'm a mail-in voter.

00:32:48.000 Okay, so can you just, we got time, we got time.

00:32:50.000 So all I would say is you see somebody who is so well-versed in this issue because you're actually far ahead of Republican and Democrat politicians on this issue.

00:32:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:00.000 You know way more than U.S. senators on this.

00:33:01.000 Oh, like many U.S. senators.

00:33:04.000 So just take a look in the same way you have at that issue.

00:33:08.000 Take a look at energy policy.

00:33:10.000 Is the U.S. better off when we drill more or when we drill less?

00:33:13.000 Okay.

00:33:13.000 When we look at how prices gone up over the last four years, we've had the biggest spike in prices that we've had probably in your lifetime as wages have stayed flat and Donald Trump, it was reverse.

00:33:23.000 Just consider that there's a different way.

00:33:26.000 It doesn't have to stay this way.

00:33:28.000 You're 18. How old are you?

00:33:29.000 Yes.

00:33:29.000 Fresh.

00:33:30.000 So you're 18. In some ways, all you've grown up into, right?

00:33:34.000 Consider the possibility there's a better way.

00:33:36.000 Okay, there's a better alternative.

00:33:38.000 And before you cast that ballot, look at the crisis for the Venezuelans here and of this country for that influx of illegals. 1.00

00:33:44.000 That's happening in every other domain from violent crime to our economy to now what will happen on the global stage on the brink of World War III. There's still time to consider a different possibility.

00:33:54.000 Don't do what somebody else told you, not me, not Charlie, not MSNBC, not anybody else.

00:33:59.000 Just think about it yourself and make an independent choice.

00:34:01.000 And I have a feeling you might be open to changing your mind.

00:34:04.000 Honestly, I'm going to be honest, I'm not open to changing my mind.

00:34:07.000 That's just because I've seen, like, I support immigration.

00:34:11.000 I don't support when criminals are doing bad things in the country.

00:34:15.000 But I also don't support it When you take what this small group did and you try to say that the entire group is doing it.

00:34:23.000 And I do agree that there should...

00:34:24.000 My roommate's over there.

00:34:26.000 But I do agree that there should be, like, asylum checks or something like that to ensure the criminals don't get into the country. 0.99

00:34:33.000 But I'm voting against Donald Trump because my friends, I have friends that have parents that are illegal immigrants.

00:34:39.000 Personally, I'm African American, so I've been here my whole life, generations.

00:34:44.000 But don't you think that African Americans should be given priority over illegals? 0.98

00:34:49.000 I mean, I think that American citizens should be given priority over people that are committing crime in the country that aren't from here. 0.98

00:34:56.000 Let me ask you, did you have a vacation this summer in a luxury hotel paid for by taxpayers?

00:35:00.000 I'm very broke, so no.

00:35:01.000 Yeah, so just so you know, if you break into America, they'll put you up in a luxury hotel in midtown Manhattan.

00:35:06.000 Yeah, I actually, I did see a lot of that from my friends that are from Mexico.

00:35:10.000 Is your phone paid for by U.S. taxpayers?

00:35:12.000 Uh, no.

00:35:13.000 Wait, is it?

00:35:13.000 I don't know.

00:35:14.000 No, it's not.

00:35:14.000 Sorry, I don't know.

00:35:14.000 You're probably paying for it.

00:35:15.000 What I'm getting at is that black Americans are treated far worse than illegals in this country. 0.94

00:35:21.000 And we have violated our social contract to our own citizens. 0.53

00:35:25.000 And I just want you to think about that.

00:35:26.000 Okay.

00:35:26.000 Is that if you break into America, you get a flight to the city of your choosing, you get taxpayer-funded luxury hotels, you get a taxpayer-funded phone, taxpayer-funded food stamps, whereas many Americans are struggling to even make ends meet.

00:35:40.000 So, thank you so much for coming.

00:35:41.000 Hold on, sorry.

00:35:41.000 I do completely respect your viewpoint on that.

00:35:44.000 I'm just saying, once again, that we should keep in mind that it's not everyone.

00:35:48.000 Like, some of these people genuinely need aid.

00:35:51.000 And also, I just want to go back to what I was...

00:35:54.000 Sorry.

00:35:55.000 I was...

00:35:56.000 Trying to go back to what I was saying about what should we do in America, not more so regarding deportation, but for the crimes that are happening already.

00:36:05.000 Because there are crimes happening against Venezuelans.

00:36:07.000 Even in Chicago, there was a migrant that was killed in December of 2023 in Gage Park.

00:36:13.000 And then there are Chicagoans that are warning people to stay neutral, to stay out of the violence.

00:36:17.000 So I'm just wondering what you would think that we should do about that.

00:36:20.000 I have a question.

00:36:21.000 So what part of Chicago are you from?

00:36:23.000 Inglewood.

00:36:23.000 Yeah, that's rough.

00:36:24.000 Wow.

00:36:24.000 Okay, I'm from the suburbs of Chicago.

00:36:26.000 Thanks.

00:36:26.000 So not...

00:36:26.000 No, I mean...

00:36:27.000 From Naperville?

00:36:28.000 Yeah, no.

00:36:29.000 Wheeling, Arlington Heights area.

00:36:30.000 Northwest suburbs.

00:36:31.000 Slay?

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:31.000 Slay?

00:36:32.000 So what do you think the clearance rate for murder...

00:36:35.000 I don't expect you to clearances.

00:36:36.000 So let's say 10 people are murdered in Chicago.

00:36:40.000 Out of those 10, how many of those cases will be solved on average, do you think?

00:36:44.000 I don't know.

00:36:45.000 Do you know the answer?

00:36:45.000 Yeah.

00:36:45.000 And it's not a pop quiz.

00:36:47.000 No, okay.

00:36:47.000 It's half.

00:36:48.000 So half of all murders go unsolved in Chicago.

00:36:51.000 It's because we don't have enough police.

00:36:53.000 And so we need to hire a lot more police in Chicago, a lot more detectives.

00:36:56.000 And let them do their jobs.

00:36:57.000 And let them do their jobs.

00:36:58.000 Yes.

00:36:59.000 Also, yeah.

00:37:00.000 You know, keep in mind, the over-policing of black and brown areas is also a bit much. 1.00

00:37:04.000 It does.

00:37:05.000 Do you think there's over-policing in Englewood?

00:37:07.000 No.

00:37:07.000 Oh, no.

00:37:07.000 No, no, no, no.

00:37:08.000 I live there, so I know.

00:37:09.000 No, this is interesting.

00:37:10.000 No, no, hold on.

00:37:10.000 So show me one city in America that's over-policed.

00:37:13.000 You got me on that one, buddy.

00:37:14.000 Well, no, it's not a gotcha because, no, I just want to say it doesn't exist.

00:37:17.000 No, I don't care that much.

00:37:17.000 I'm not pinpointing you.

00:37:18.000 I hear this all the time, over-policing.

00:37:20.000 Show me anywhere in the United States of America that's over-policed. 0.51

00:37:22.000 I want to visit there and move and build a house.

00:37:25.000 It doesn't exist.

00:37:26.000 It's all BS. Slay.

00:37:28.000 I'm not trying to...

00:37:28.000 I'm saying, though, that it's like even an Englewood of your home, there's not enough police there.

00:37:32.000 You would agree, right?

00:37:33.000 Um, kinda, but...

00:37:35.000 Is it over-policed?

00:37:36.000 No, it's not over-policed.

00:37:37.000 I think it's regularly policed.

00:37:39.000 Okay, I'm just getting to the essence, though.

00:37:41.000 We have to stop the talking points and ask the question, is there even a place that's over-policed in America?

00:37:46.000 It doesn't exist.

00:37:46.000 Alright, thank you very much.

00:37:47.000 Thank you.

00:37:48.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:49.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:51.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 27, 2024

America Lovers And America Haters: Charlie and Vivek at Georgia State University

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