The Charlie Kirk Show - January 28, 2026


Antifa: Lessons From Seattle


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Jason Rance is a Seattle survivor and long-time resident of the city. He has been involved in communist front groups for a long time and has been on the Seattle Police Department's Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Team (JTBP) for over 20 years. He is also a regular member of the Seattle Red Dot community.

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000 Hour two is underway.
00:01:12.000 We are joined by Jason Rance, a Seattle survivor, longtime Seattle resident, and he's got a website, SeattleRed.com.
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00:01:23.000 Jason, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:25.000 It's good to see you.
00:01:26.000 Good to see you.
00:01:27.000 Thanks for having me.
00:01:28.000 You know, we were on a show last night together with Katie Pavlich and NewsNation arguing about the virtues of Sanctuary Cities.
00:01:36.000 And we had the, what is that guy's name?
00:01:38.000 Chris Hahn, the aggressive progressive.
00:01:41.000 And we were, I couldn't hear you half the time because he kept interrupting us.
00:01:45.000 So I was like, Jason, we have to have you back on the show.
00:01:48.000 So explain to us what is going on in Seattle, then relate it to Minnesota.
00:01:53.000 You have been around these communist front groups longer than just about anybody in the country.
00:01:57.000 You see it up close and personal in the Pacific Northwest.
00:02:00.000 How big is this movement?
00:02:02.000 How militarized are they?
00:02:04.000 How organized are they?
00:02:06.000 Explain it for our audience, please.
00:02:07.000 Jason Rance.
00:02:09.000 So it is very organized, but it's not nearly as large as it once was.
00:02:13.000 And I was thinking about it this morning for a column I'm doing.
00:02:16.000 I mean, go back to Black Lives Matter in 2020, and this was right at the start, really, of the pandemic before a lot of people came to their senses and they were terrified to go outside because we were told not to.
00:02:28.000 And yet there were millions of people nationwide who actually did, in fact, take to the streets.
00:02:32.000 And that was all based on a lie.
00:02:34.000 Cut to what's been going on for the last few months, the organizing has arguably gotten even more favorable press coverage.
00:02:42.000 There's still a lot of misinformation and just flat out lies happening.
00:02:46.000 And yet we're not seeing the same number of people out on the ground.
00:02:49.000 It's the same folks over and over and over again who are showing up.
00:02:52.000 And sure, it's grown a little bit.
00:02:53.000 There's no doubt about that.
00:02:55.000 And not everyone who shows up to these protests are sort of that professional activist class.
00:03:00.000 But the same level of organizing, the same level of strategy is at play.
00:03:06.000 And it's this progressive protest industrial complex where you've got a bunch of folks, in this case, either activists within the community who are part of the organization, or it's Democrat lawmakers, far-left lawmakers, who are encouraging you in this case to interfere with ICE operations.
00:03:22.000 Go out there, get in their faces, put your bodies on the line.
00:03:25.000 That's a quote from some of these lawmakers and activists. 0.96
00:03:29.000 And they end up creating a situation in which someone likes Alex Preddy ends up getting killed.
00:03:34.000 Then they use that death to create more outrage that then just creates that vicious circle to get more people to then go out and interfere with ICE and put their bodies on the line and then lead to this next confrontation that ends up taking someone's life.
00:03:52.000 And it just makes folks a whole bunch of money.
00:03:55.000 It gets people more follows on social media and it gets them more favorable press coverage.
00:04:00.000 And we see this happening over and over and over again.
00:04:03.000 It's not going to stop, but it's certainly not growing at the same level that the BLM movement grew.
00:04:09.000 And that's obviously a good thing because it means at least some of the American voters, the average person who's looking at this, are saying, okay, we want sensible immigration reform.
00:04:21.000 We want some semblance of immigration law being enforced.
00:04:25.000 And they're not falling for the far left position that underlines everything that they're doing here.
00:04:30.000 They are against, on the radical left, all enforcement of immigration laws.
00:04:34.000 That is a radical position that is not shared by the vast majority of this country.
00:04:38.000 And I think that explains why we're not seeing this movement grow at the same level as we saw during the BLM movement.
00:04:48.000 So, Jason, you've seen this unfold over a pretty long period of time in Seattle.
00:04:53.000 They've had Antifa type stuff for ages.
00:04:56.000 They had the explosion of homelessness there.
00:04:59.000 It felt like Seattle was in really severe crisis about five years ago.
00:05:03.000 I remember Seattle is dying and all of that.
00:05:05.000 And it seems to me, obviously, it's still a blue city.
00:05:08.000 Obviously, it still has a lot of problems, but it does seem to have pulled back from the autonomous zone level crisis they were in.
00:05:16.000 Are there any lessons from that for how the whole country might regard this national Antifa as they what how do people kind of how do you defeat this process that they enact on us to use their kind of weaponized weakness against the system?
00:05:31.000 Well, it's interesting because had we had this conversation a few months ago, my answer would have been a little bit more clear as it's going to be, because unfortunately the voters just took a giant step backwards or took a mile backwards because after all that nonsense with the autonomous zone, the voters put in place someone who is at least perceived to be a little bit more moderate.
00:05:51.000 Now, I didn't view our last mayor as moderate, but he was booted out of office for a socialist, an open socialist who has already instituted a bunch of plans that's sending us back in the wrong direction.
00:06:03.000 So I don't know if Seattle voters learned their lesson.
00:06:06.000 Now, if you look back and you're just kind of dweeby like me, and you look at the general, I don't know, algorithm of voters here is the Seattle base of radicals, they push us very, very, very far to the left.
00:06:20.000 Then the voters say, okay, let's dial it back a notch.
00:06:23.000 Then you see some results, but then they go and say, okay, well, now that we saw some course correction, let's go back in the crazy direction.
00:06:30.000 And so that's where we're at right now.
00:06:32.000 We're headed back in that crazy direction.
00:06:34.000 And, you know, this whole idea of the protesters and how organized they are.
00:06:37.000 Like yesterday, there was yet another march in downtown Seattle, you know, ruining all the traffic again.
00:06:44.000 And they were doing this because they wanted to speak in solidarity with what's going on in Minneapolis.
00:06:49.000 Again, it's the same people who show up every single time who are engaged in this and they're allowed to do whatever it is they want to do because they're doing it for some quote unquote righteous position.
00:07:01.000 And that's how it's going to unfold.
00:07:03.000 I imagine there's going to be another one today and another one tomorrow.
00:07:06.000 And it's going to be the same people showing up.
00:07:08.000 So I don't know if we've actually truly learned a lesson because we never seem to learn our lesson for more than four years at a time.
00:07:14.000 And you're talking, Katie Wilson, she's a real peach, by the way. 1.00
00:07:14.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:07:17.000 And you guys are going to have a massive problem with Somali fraud rings as well in the state of Washington.
00:07:22.000 They are rampant there.
00:07:23.000 Jonathan Cho, who's with TPSA Frontlines, has been doing investigations on that.
00:07:29.000 This is an emerging story that you guys are going to have to confront.
00:07:32.000 I'm worried that if we don't squash this right now, Jason, with a massive show of force, which seems like we're going in the opposite direction, we're going to have an even tougher problem in cities like Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Chicago come the spring and summer months when the weather's better.
00:07:48.000 So are you worried about seeing that as well?
00:07:50.000 I mean, because you could let this stuff peter out and then it flares up again, Peter out flares up again, or you could squash it definitively.
00:07:56.000 And I don't like seeing guys like Bovino be left out on, you know, to take you know, take the wrap for everybody here.
00:08:03.000 I want to see us squash this.
00:08:05.000 Yeah, he should not take the wrap.
00:08:07.000 However, I do think it's reasonable to say, or a criticism is that I don't think he handled this over the weekend particularly well.
00:08:13.000 And I think the president is trying to clean that all up.
00:08:15.000 The president has been really good about putting competent people in positions of power and just sort of letting them take the lead.
00:08:22.000 And he'll come in when he needs to, and he obviously needed to.
00:08:25.000 Immediately calling Alex Predi a domestic terrorist was an unwise decision.
00:08:32.000 It was not going to play in the context of even the video that we had at the time to just merely jump to that that quickly, knowing that the left-wing media is never, ever, ever going to be sympathetic to any messaging coming from ICE or coming from CBP or from this administration just seemed like an unforced error.
00:08:50.000 I think the president is making the right move and putting Tomahoman in charge for now.
00:08:54.000 I don't think Bolvino, again, to your point, he shouldn't be just thrown under the bus for any of this.
00:08:58.000 Neither should be, neither should we do that to Christy.
00:09:01.000 No.
00:09:01.000 However, I don't think that they handled the messaging well in this case.
00:09:05.000 And it seemed to be put out there in a way that I completely understand, right?
00:09:10.000 Wanting to immediately back your staff, whether again, it's Border Patrol, ICE, or any law enforcement, makes sense because the context has been: no matter what it is they do, they're going to be thrown under the bus by left-wing media.
00:09:24.000 They're going to be relentlessly attacked.
00:09:26.000 And so the natural instinct is to protect them, but the way you protect them does matter.
00:09:32.000 And the initial messaging went a little bit too far.
00:09:38.000 They did it without the evidence on their side.
00:09:41.000 And look, there were conservatives who called out some of the messaging around one's right to bear arms and have a concealed carry.
00:09:48.000 You know, it's obviously not illegal in Minnesota to have concealed carry while going into a protest.
00:09:55.000 It doesn't mean that what he did was wise.
00:09:57.000 It very clearly wasn't.
00:09:58.000 And had they focused on that, I think they would have won that messaging or at least had a little bit more of an upper hand.
00:10:05.000 No, and I agree with you.
00:10:05.000 I think the Renee Good case is a clear-cut self-defense case, right?
00:10:10.000 The Preddy case is a little bit different.
00:10:12.000 If you were omniscient, omnipotent, you would probably looking back say you didn't have to fire, all right?
00:10:19.000 And the messaging after, I would agree, was not helpful based on the video evidence that we had.
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00:11:44.000 All right.
00:11:45.000 So we got to talk about some of the lib freak out, Jason.
00:11:49.000 You live in a very liberal city, Seattle.
00:11:51.000 I don't know why you're still up in Seattle, by the way, but God bless you for braving up there.
00:11:56.000 I went to University of Washington.
00:11:58.000 I appreciate Seattle.
00:11:59.000 Very beautiful city.
00:12:00.000 Very crazy city. 0.99
00:12:02.000 So these people are crazy. 1.00
00:12:05.000 They are dangerous people. 1.00
00:12:06.000 These are provocateurs, right? 0.50
00:12:08.000 They are agitators.
00:12:09.000 They are communists often.
00:12:10.000 302.
00:12:11.000 This is an Atifa member.
00:12:12.000 Get your reaction on the other side.
00:12:14.000 Show up, ready to go.
00:12:17.000 Okay, not talking about peaceful protests anymore.
00:12:20.000 We're not talking about having polite conversations anymore.
00:12:24.000 Sorry, but welcome to America 2026, where Second Amendment is the only thing that's going to keep you protected from literal Nazi gunmen that are killing innocent people in the street with impunity.
00:12:38.000 This is not a joke.
00:12:40.000 There's nothing fun to chant about it.
00:12:43.000 Get your guns and stop these people.
00:12:48.000 That's probably your neighbor, Jason.
00:12:52.000 What are we supposed to do with this?
00:12:54.000 This is radical stuff.
00:12:55.000 What we're supposed to do with it is call it out and ensure that this kind of messaging isn't normalized.
00:13:01.000 And that's been the reality, I think, for the last several years is that kind of messaging was completely normalized, where you've got these sad people, lonely people, dangerous people who have convinced themselves that they're actual heroes, that they're freedom fighters.
00:13:15.000 And if not for their violence and activism, we would be headed towards a fascist country.
00:13:22.000 They believe we're already in that space.
00:13:26.000 And that's the sad part.
00:13:27.000 And that's why so many people, yourself included, myself included, we've talked about this for the last several years of when you've got radical leftists who are in positions of power, who are out there as recently as yesterday and over the weekend talking about how, you know, they're fighting Nazis, the Gestapo, they're fighting Adolf Hitler incarnate.
00:13:48.000 We know that that's incredibly dangerous.
00:13:50.000 It's not just hyperbole.
00:13:51.000 And they know it's not just hyperbole and that it's inspiring their base to commit these kinds of violent acts or at least threaten them.
00:13:59.000 And, you know, the attention has to be on unnormalizing and stigmatizing, again, this kind of language.
00:14:06.000 The reality is there's always going to be crazy people out there and people get inspired by all sorts of things.
00:14:12.000 The question is whether or not the messaging inspiring some of these people are delivered in good faith or not.
00:14:16.000 And when you've got Ann Frank references by Tim Walsh, that's not delivered in good faith.
00:14:21.000 When you've got Gavin Newsom out there, it's not delivered in good faith.
00:14:24.000 It's intended to create this kind of violence and at least at a bare minimum, this kind of violent rhetoric.
00:14:30.000 And they believe that they benefit from it because they keep getting rewarded by left-wing press for these kinds of statements.
00:14:37.000 And, you know, the good news is, you know, that individual that you just played, his Venmo was taken down.
00:14:42.000 I believe his Instagram has been taken down.
00:14:44.000 He now says he's on the run trying to now flip this into him being some kind of victim.
00:14:49.000 He's not the victim.
00:14:49.000 He is the bad guy in the story.
00:14:51.000 That's right.
00:14:52.000 Speaking of bad guys and not normalizing bad behavior, you are in Seattle, so I have to ask you about the Super Bowl.
00:14:58.000 Bad Bunny will dress to impress at the Super Bowl, but won't wear a dress.
00:15:03.000 So this is new.
00:15:04.000 This is breaking.
00:15:05.000 Breaking no dress.
00:15:06.000 Breaking no dress, Jason.
00:15:10.000 This is cowardice.
00:15:11.000 He's just backing down.
00:15:12.000 In fact, he blinked.
00:15:14.000 He blinked.
00:15:16.000 So give us your perspective.
00:15:18.000 He should be wearing a dress or he shouldn't be performing.
00:15:21.000 If you're going to go all in, you might as well just go, I want it all in Spanish and I want it in a dress. 0.94
00:15:25.000 Yeah.
00:15:25.000 And so Bad Bunny, he did not include U.S. concert tours for fear in his tour.
00:15:31.000 So he didn't clear U.S., include U.S. tour stops in his tour because of fear of ICE raids.
00:15:38.000 And, you know, now we're hearing Super Bowl 2026, ICE agents to conduct enforcement as Trump boycotts the game.
00:15:45.000 There's a lot of layers here to this Super Bowl.
00:15:48.000 Are a Seattle resident?
00:15:49.000 Give us your POV on this Super Bowl and the much, much discussed halftime show.
00:15:55.000 Yeah, I will say this season has felt a little bit different that we've kind of gotten away from a lot of the wokeness. 1.00
00:16:01.000 There's no doubt it's become less woke as a league.
00:16:05.000 I enjoy watching hometown teams in whether it's a Super Bowl or a World Series, fingers crossed next year. 0.93
00:16:12.000 So I'm not going to boycott something that I might actually enjoy because of a bunch of lunatics.
00:16:17.000 I don't particularly care about the halftime show.
00:16:20.000 I didn't really know who Bad Bunny was when he became all controversial.
00:16:24.000 I kind of heard of him, but not really followed anything.
00:16:27.000 I will do what I normally do during the halftime, which is just not watch.
00:16:31.000 I focus on the game.
00:16:32.000 And, you know, to the extent that anyone enjoys the Super Bowl, watch the Super Bowl.
00:16:36.000 That's what you enjoy.
00:16:37.000 Well, do not allow woke sculpts. 0.98
00:16:39.000 I have to interject here, Jason.
00:16:42.000 We do have an all-American halftime show that we would gladly welcome you to watch.
00:16:48.000 It'll be all over X, all over YouTube, all over Rumble.
00:16:53.000 So, yep, there it is.
00:16:54.000 The All-American halftime show.
00:16:56.000 We do not say the other word in that sentence for fear of legal reprisal, but 2825 All-American halftime show.
00:17:04.000 We're going to have more details on that next week.
00:17:08.000 So please do stay tuned.
00:17:10.000 But yeah, I mean, I think this is a really interesting touch point, actually, just as a culture, because, you know, we have a guy that seems to not really like America performing at the biggest stage that we have.
00:17:21.000 And that's a really unfortunate reality.
00:17:24.000 Go ahead, Jason.
00:17:25.000 It is.
00:17:25.000 I just don't want to cede that kind of power to these people to take away something that other people enjoy.
00:17:33.000 It's the same thing.
00:17:34.000 You know, I don't go out of my way to support people who don't support this country, but I also don't allow them to ruin something for me.
00:17:41.000 And the Super Bowl is not about the halftime show.
00:17:45.000 And to your point, there's some counter programming that's way better to consume for 15, 20 minutes.
00:17:52.000 And that's what people should do.
00:17:53.000 But I'm not going to say I'm going to boycott an entire league or a championship game because of some people on the radical left demanding it.
00:18:03.000 If we seed over football or baseball or any sports to the left, then we're going to run out of things to enjoy.
00:18:10.000 Seattle Red, check it out.
00:18:12.000 Jason Rance, thank you so much.
00:18:14.000 Thanks, guys.
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00:19:30.000 And you were just live an hour ago, so everybody should check that out.
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00:19:37.000 Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show, Alex.
00:19:39.000 Good to see you.
00:19:40.000 We got the most popular slot.
00:19:41.000 All of us do, because we all want to walk in Rush's shoes and then Dennis's shoes and then Charlie's shoes.
00:19:46.000 So everyone wants to be on at Noon Eastern.
00:19:48.000 But you guys have been sounding amazing.
00:19:50.000 I've been listening.
00:19:51.000 You guys are doing a terrific job.
00:19:52.000 And I'm really proud of both you guys.
00:19:54.000 So keep up the great work, please.
00:19:56.000 Thank you.
00:19:57.000 Our humble offering, our meager offering here.
00:19:59.000 But listen, we got to keep the mission moving forward.
00:20:01.000 And I know that's what Charlie would want us to do.
00:20:03.000 And you sometimes record out of Dennis' studio in Los Angeles, right?
00:20:08.000 Yeah, that's where I'm at right now.
00:20:09.000 I'm in the chair that was once occupied by our good friend Dennis Prager, who is with us and is brilliant as ever, but did suffer a catastrophic paralysis in an accident just over a year ago.
00:20:19.000 And so luckily he's creating a lot of great content still.
00:20:22.000 And I think we'll only create more.
00:20:23.000 But I don't know if he'll be using this studio anymore.
00:20:26.000 And that's where I'm broadcasting live every day at noon for an hour, but it's on Tape Delay podcast feed.
00:20:31.000 So by all means, there's plenty of time to catch both shows.
00:20:35.000 That's right.
00:20:35.000 Get it tape delayed on a, I have to do that because we have to rep our own.
00:20:39.000 Of course, absolutely.
00:20:40.000 I understand.
00:20:40.000 And I had the honor of joining you.
00:20:42.000 I believe that's coming out in a few days.
00:20:44.000 So that was great.
00:20:45.000 Yes, in a couple of days, we'll probably have Thursday or Friday drop.
00:20:48.000 Andrew and I spent about an hour together.
00:20:49.000 I got to tell you, both of us got misty a couple of times.
00:20:51.000 We go back a long ways, and people who are listening to the show know that I went back a very long way with Charlie, back when he was still a high schooler, sending me a tip at Breitbart News, which we requested that he write up himself.
00:21:04.000 The thing was lightning in a bottle.
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00:21:15.000 Yeah, I mean, it's really true.
00:21:16.000 And actually, you're kind of getting to where my first question was going to start.
00:21:20.000 And that is, we don't probably have President Trump without Breitbart News.
00:21:24.000 We don't have President Trump without Andrew Breitbart.
00:21:27.000 I mean, you could go back even further.
00:21:29.000 You are an expert at analyzing the current political moment.
00:21:34.000 There is a lot of back and forth about all of the illegals going home, worst first, this debate, how to message, how to the tactics.
00:21:42.000 You got Homan going up there, Bovino's out.
00:21:45.000 Make sense of it for us, Alex.
00:21:46.000 Make sense of this political moment and what the admin needs to do.
00:21:50.000 Yeah, I think Trump's actually been kind of spot on on this, which is great.
00:21:53.000 And he has a lot of proxies, but his instincts are kind of the best.
00:21:58.000 And I think that if any of you watched the Zapruder film, which I'm sure everyone has and broken it down, I don't know if it was a good shoot or not.
00:22:04.000 There's smart people in my life who say it was.
00:22:06.000 There's some smart people in my life who say it wasn't.
00:22:09.000 And that's not really the point here.
00:22:11.000 The point here is to clarify that the goal is to try to tone down the interplay that's taking place between the institutional, well-funded, organized left agitators and activists.
00:22:22.000 They're not protesters.
00:22:24.000 There's no protest going on.
00:22:25.000 And you don't show up at a law enforcement operation armed with multiple magazines.
00:22:31.000 If you're just protesting, you're doing this because you're trying to cause problems.
00:22:35.000 And that's exactly what happened.
00:22:36.000 And getting back on that messaging, but still understanding that we don't really know if this was a legal shooting or a just shooting.
00:22:42.000 And we got to let all that work out.
00:22:44.000 And what we got to do is move on as fast as we can to things we want to talk about, which is deportations, which is wildly popular with Americans, and cracking down on illegal immigrant and immigrant fraud that's happening in this country.
00:22:55.000 We just got to pivot back there as fast as humanly possible.
00:22:58.000 I trust Donald Trump to do that.
00:22:59.000 And I'll tell you who else I trust, Tom Homan.
00:23:01.000 It's not just that Bovino's getting moved off and Noam's getting moved off.
00:23:04.000 That's a very small part of it.
00:23:06.000 It's Tom Homan is the man.
00:23:07.000 He was put on earth for these exact moments and putting him in charge is exactly the right move.
00:23:12.000 Completely agree.
00:23:13.000 I believe that Tom Homan is the perfect man for the job.
00:23:16.000 And Blake, you made this point earlier.
00:23:18.000 Messaging discipline, there's nobody better than experience.
00:23:21.000 And it's a fine thing to navigate because they are in that position where you do need to change what the narrative is around it, but you can't retreat.
00:23:30.000 You can't concede.
00:23:31.000 You can't say they won.
00:23:32.000 You certainly can't make it look like they won.
00:23:35.000 And I think it's actually paying dividends that we have multiple sort of famous immigration hawks within DHS such that you can swap out personnel without making it look like a total teardown.
00:23:48.000 Yeah, well, this is interesting.
00:23:49.000 I'm getting some breaking news here.
00:23:51.000 Pima County, Arizona shooting incident occurred this morning near milepost 15 on Aravaca Road.
00:23:59.000 Border Patrol officers are on the scene.
00:24:01.000 We saw some new activity out of Arizona yesterday, actually.
00:24:06.000 You could throw this B-roll up, 334.
00:24:08.000 ICE has been on the scene here in Phoenix, Arizona, Maricopa County.
00:24:14.000 And you're seeing the semblance that I think the beginning pieces of what we've seen in Minneapolis, where they're organized.
00:24:21.000 There's obviously some group chats.
00:24:23.000 They're monitoring these unmarked vehicles, these DHS cars, and they're attacking them.
00:24:28.000 They're going after them to harass.
00:24:29.000 And these young women apparently took up a selfie with some ICE officers, apparently in support, and they instantly got harassed and chased by activists.
00:24:39.000 So this is my whole point with this, this, what we're seeing in Minneapolis.
00:24:44.000 We cannot be perceived to be weak.
00:24:47.000 Now, if Trump can strike a deal, I'm with you.
00:24:49.000 I trust Trump's instincts here.
00:24:50.000 I think the pivot can be fine.
00:24:52.000 I think some of the messaging was mishandled.
00:24:54.000 I agree if these, you know, if they were omnipotent in this interaction with Predi, they probably wouldn't have done what they did. 0.90
00:25:01.000 They probably wouldn't have taken the shot.
00:25:02.000 But you're completely right.
00:25:04.000 It's beside the point.
00:25:05.000 This gentleman should not have been impeding ICE officers.
00:25:08.000 And by the way, again, we made the point earlier.
00:25:10.000 This was not a protest.
00:25:11.000 This was him trying to impede law enforcement.
00:25:13.000 The protests happened after the shooting.
00:25:15.000 Okay.
00:25:15.000 So he was obviously up to no good.
00:25:17.000 And apparently there's some other video that's coming out right now, Alex, that shows that he had an interaction with ICE about a week before.
00:25:24.000 He's claiming that he was tackled by ICE officers or whatever.
00:25:27.000 I don't care.
00:25:28.000 Get the heck out of the way.
00:25:29.000 Let law enforcement do their job.
00:25:30.000 And for the love of God, the Trump administration cannot look weak on this.
00:25:35.000 And I don't think that's going to happen here, but they cannot look weak.
00:25:38.000 Are you guys afraid of being shot right now?
00:25:39.000 Are you afraid ICE is going to shoot you?
00:25:41.000 No, why not?
00:25:42.000 Because first of all, you're not a legal alien evading arrest, and you're not a white leftist, well-funded protester who's not really a protester, really an activist who's armed, who's showing up to agitate.
00:25:53.000 The problem is, is that when people like Tim Walz and people like Jacob Fry actually has acknowledged at least that there's Somali fraud going on, he's at least said for whatever reason that, yeah, there is some bad stuff happening here to his credit.
00:26:07.000 But you saw what happens on CNN.
00:26:09.000 You see what happens with Tim Wall said there is no basis for ICE being here.
00:26:13.000 Of course there's a basis.
00:26:14.000 We've all seen the videos.
00:26:15.000 We all know what's happening with aliens in that part of the country. 1.00
00:26:18.000 They're stealing taxpayer money.
00:26:20.000 But here's the point here.
00:26:21.000 The most important thing here is that for all of us to understand is that we cannot be perceived as weak because our eye on the ball needs to be that we are going to make America more affordable.
00:26:29.000 We're going to make it safer.
00:26:30.000 And they hate that.
00:26:31.000 And that's really what they're protesting against.
00:26:33.000 It's not even a protest.
00:26:35.000 What they're doing is they're trying to deliberately stop the enforcement of our laws because they know a lawless society is better for them politically.
00:26:40.000 And we've got to be able to explain that to people in an efficient and effective way.
00:26:45.000 And we've got to cut through the noise, which I think we can do, especially when they're running so far to the extreme where they're calling Stephen Miller.
00:26:53.000 Rick Wilson from the Lincoln Project was saying Stephen Miller needs to be hung.
00:26:56.000 He seriously needs to be hung in public. 0.94
00:26:59.000 You had that crazy guy with the pink P-word hat on on CNN yesterday who was talking about how they're going to put people in ovens. 0.98
00:27:06.000 That level of extremity, we need to use that to our advantage to point out that these people are truly radical and they have no sense of common sense.
00:27:13.000 Yeah, I mean, I completely agree.
00:27:15.000 And you've got my favorite guy here, Jimmy Kimmel, giving them air support because that's what he always do.
00:27:20.000 This is from about a week ago, but it plays 339.
00:27:24.000 They're trying out a new slogan. 0.99
00:27:26.000 Donald J. Trump is going to kill you. 0.99
00:27:29.000 He isn't just killing people overseas. 0.99
00:27:31.000 An ICE agent today shot and killed an unarmed 37-year-old woman during an ICE operation in Minneapolis.
00:27:38.000 They're there under the guise of protecting us.
00:27:40.000 I'm on the team.
00:27:50.000 And now you've got Stephen Colbert screaming from the top of his lungs.
00:27:56.000 You guys have this up on Breitbart.
00:27:58.000 Colbert screams, F-ICE. 1.00
00:28:00.000 Kimmel is crying, and Jon Stewart rants about guns after latest federal agent involved shooting.
00:28:06.000 So the air support's coming in.
00:28:08.000 They think they're going to win the hearts and minds here.
00:28:10.000 And I just want everybody to be very clear that this is a tactic.
00:28:12.000 They harass.
00:28:14.000 They get martyrs.
00:28:15.000 So they get some casualties, then they play victim.
00:28:18.000 The martyring part is really essential because I don't know what was in Alex Predi's heart, but I know that if he was trying to commit suicide by ICE, he would have not behaved any differently.
00:28:29.000 That's exactly how he behaved is in a way that was designed so that he would get killed and then he would become a martyr.
00:28:35.000 Now, I don't know.
00:28:36.000 I have no idea if that's what his intention was, but I know that that is a playbook now that can be followed.
00:28:42.000 And now ICE has to be extra careful.
00:28:44.000 And they have an important job to do.
00:28:45.000 They're trying to enforce our immigrations and custom laws.
00:28:48.000 That's all they're there to do.
00:28:49.000 They're not there to do anything else.
00:28:50.000 They probably don't even want to be there.
00:28:52.000 They'd probably rather be at home.
00:28:53.000 But they're there deployed to try to enforce what's clearly immigration violations that's taking place in the area.
00:28:59.000 And so their lives can be made difficult when these media cycles play out the way they have, because what's happened now is this is penetrated in the broader culture.
00:29:08.000 People are not following shows like this or content like ours, people who are just casual observers of the news.
00:29:13.000 And they hear, wow, I shot a guy.
00:29:15.000 They're cold-blooded.
00:29:16.000 And they don't hear the context.
00:29:18.000 They don't hear any sort of corrections that take place.
00:29:20.000 And that is something where we need to be very conscious.
00:29:22.000 And I think President Trump is, to be honest with you.
00:29:25.000 Yeah, I mean, Blake, I'd love your thoughts on this because, you know, you have been advocating for less, I guess, boisterous, performative tweeting from DHS.
00:29:37.000 What you want here is what the base wants is they want proof that it's working.
00:29:42.000 And for a lot of people, like the boisterous stuff, the performative stuff, it's kind of a way of showing like, hey, we're serious about this.
00:29:50.000 We have credibility on this.
00:29:51.000 But I think the base would also just accept the clear, obvious signs that what you're doing is working.
00:29:55.000 In fact, the freakouts of the left are often all the proof you need that this is happening.
00:30:00.000 So you don't necessarily need a big car, like a meme of someone like sobbing as they're like taken away in a helicopter or whatever.
00:30:08.000 As long as the left is freaking out and it's very clear that this is all happening, that you're getting the job done.
00:30:14.000 That's what the base will be satisfied with.
00:30:15.000 It's just like with the border.
00:30:16.000 You don't need infinity memes that the border is closed.
00:30:19.000 The border is closed.
00:30:20.000 Everyone knows it.
00:30:21.000 And that's the victory.
00:30:22.000 Yeah, it's interesting.
00:30:23.000 I hate this article from the Wall Street Journal, but it says this is backfiring against Republicans.
00:30:28.000 Waltz is happy.
00:30:29.000 And they call the calm strategy the own the libs strategy for DHS.
00:30:35.000 Maybe they have a point there.
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00:31:37.000 We are joined by Alex Marlowe.
00:31:39.000 I'm just getting details on some breaking news here that Alex Predi who was shot in Minneapolis and died this past weekend, had an earlier incident.
00:31:49.000 He stopped his car after observing ICE agents chasing what he described as a family on foot, began shouting, blowing his whistle.
00:31:56.000 And then he later told the same sources that five agents tackled him and one leaned on his back, appearing to break his rib.
00:32:04.000 This is according to sources.
00:32:05.000 So a week before he was ultimately killed, he was out there cosplaying as a vigilante here.
00:32:12.000 So broke rib in confrontation with federal agents a week before death, sources say.
00:32:16.000 So that's an interesting wrinkle.
00:32:18.000 He was apparently known to law enforcement in Minneapolis.
00:32:22.000 So fascinating detail.
00:32:24.000 I don't know what to necessarily make of that, but obviously this was a person that was devoting his life and his time to confronting law enforcement, to stopping ICE.
00:32:34.000 The definition of an anti-ICE organizer.
00:32:37.000 So there's that.
00:32:38.000 I want to take our attention in a slightly different direction, Alex.
00:32:42.000 This is Jennifer Welch, who's now made a name for herself as being basically the most vile person that you see on social media. 1.00
00:32:50.000 She's attacking white evangelical Christianity in this clip. 1.00
00:32:53.000 We'll play it, Alex, and get your take on the other side.
00:32:56.000 333. 0.99
00:32:58.000 Evangelical Christianity is a cancer. 1.00
00:33:01.000 These are the worst of our country. 1.00
00:33:04.000 They use their religion in two ways as a weapon and as a shield.
00:33:08.000 They weaponize it whenever they want to and say, we're on the moral high ground. 0.99
00:33:13.000 You're a lesbian. 1.00
00:33:13.000 You deserve to die. 1.00
00:33:15.000 You're a lesbian. 1.00
00:33:16.000 The cops shouldn't have revived you. 1.00
00:33:18.000 Oh, your parents are Mexicans and they brought you over here. 1.00
00:33:22.000 Yeah, you should go to jail and eat worm food. 0.99
00:33:25.000 And then when you call them out on it, oh my God, they're after the Christians. 1.00
00:33:31.000 How dare they?
00:33:32.000 How dare they?
00:33:34.000 We're so oppressed. 0.97
00:33:35.000 White Christians are so oppressed in this country.
00:33:37.000 And it should come as no surprise to anyone that of this cult that I'm talking about, white evangelicals, I think over 80% went and voted triple Trumped.
00:33:48.000 This person is basically, it's if you read about like the Rwanda genocide, there's a thing called Hutu Radio.
00:33:55.000 So it was the Hutus and Tutsis. 0.99
00:33:57.000 And Hutu Radio is basically just this radio station that broadcasts constant anti-Tutsi propaganda that, you know, called them cockroaches, things like that.
00:34:06.000 And this woman just feels like that for, well, white evangelical Christian America. 0.94
00:34:14.000 Like a lot of that is just insane lies. 0.95
00:34:17.000 And she does it non-stop all the time. 0.99
00:34:20.000 Like she's kind of, she's the final boss of awfuls, as it were. 0.96
00:34:25.000 Very, very dark woman. 0.99
00:34:28.000 And, oh, man, we're probably going to be stuck with her a long time. 1.00
00:34:31.000 But she's a lunatic, like a very, a very hateful lunatic. 1.00
00:34:35.000 And like, you, you can just tell like this woman, this woman would be like having that incredibly sinister grin of hers as she funnels you into a gas chamber or whatever. 1.00
00:34:46.000 She's good at the otherizing language.
00:34:47.000 Alex, your reaction.
00:34:49.000 Yeah, I love the content.
00:34:50.000 I mean, it is pure evil.
00:34:52.000 It's just also false.
00:34:54.000 I mean, Christians tend to be way more charitable.
00:34:57.000 They spend way more time volunteering.
00:34:59.000 I mean, I can't tell you how all the horrible stuff said about Christians is some of them, I think, do badly, but they at least mean well.
00:35:07.000 And a lot of them, as a percentage, spend a lot more of their time doing productive things for our society.
00:35:13.000 And I feel like as we've gotten more secular, we've certainly gotten less happy.
00:35:17.000 We have more crime.
00:35:18.000 We have less optimism.
00:35:19.000 So I think we should would all benefit from a more Christian revival approach to society.
00:35:25.000 That's my take.
00:35:26.000 Obviously, she disagrees, but I'm just very pro of her saying this stuff publicly because if people want to hold up this person who is so unappealing, is so unconvincing, is so angry and so petty as a champion of their values.
00:35:38.000 This makes me very positive.
00:35:40.000 This is the thing is that when you look at their slate of spokespeople right now, the tampoon Timmy Walls, I mean, these people are so unlikable.
00:35:49.000 They're so uncharismatic.
00:35:50.000 They're so full of baloney that I think that it is just a remarkable opportunity for the rest of us, especially happy warriors in the Christian faith in particular, to stand up and say, We're not going to tolerate any of this and we're going to beat it.
00:36:02.000 You know what struck me with that clip is she, you could you could insert LGBTQ, you could insert black America, you could insert any of their preferred victim groups, their marginalized groups, their special interest groups, and that would be 100% true of basically any leftist flavor of the week.
00:36:21.000 And she, so it just strikes me as this massive projection.
00:36:24.000 And to your point, Christians are the best of this country.
00:36:28.000 Yeah, we're not perfect.
00:36:29.000 Yeah, we make mistakes, but you try having an America without Christianity and it will fail. 1.00
00:36:34.000 The country that she's enjoying, the country that she's blessed to be in, whether she acknowledges it or not, is a blessing because it is good.
00:36:41.000 And why is it good?
00:36:42.000 It's because it's Christian roots.
00:36:44.000 This is something Charlie talked about so much, so much.
00:36:47.000 That is what makes America great, actually, is how great its people are. 0.97
00:36:51.000 To look at this at a literal point where she says that evangelical Christianity is a cancer and these are the worst people in the country. 0.89
00:36:59.000 Well, they're the worst because they're threatening to her because we tend to vote conservative. 0.97
00:37:04.000 And that's the main thing to understand is that we people of faith believe that God is above all else, God, family, and then maybe politics is third for us.
00:37:13.000 Maybe it's fourth behind career, stuff like that.
00:37:16.000 But for the left right now, it's politics above all else.
00:37:19.000 They believe that politics is their guiding principle and the ends justify the means in order for them to achieve political victory.
00:37:26.000 And just note that if there is a group of people who are God-fearing, who pay their taxes, who are not criminals, who do a lot of volunteer work, who give a lot to charity, they do not care if you don't support their guy politically.
00:37:40.000 If you support the opposite side, the Donald Trump side, then you are inherently bad and wrong.
00:37:45.000 And it's very important to understand that because there's not a lot of a place where we can agree.
00:37:50.000 There's a huge amount of daylight between the two positions in this country.
00:37:55.000 And that's relatively new where there's such a big gulf.
00:37:58.000 I totally agree.
00:37:59.000 We actually talked about this in our conversation, Alex, and this is the Charlie Kirk show.
00:38:03.000 So we're going to play a clip of Charlie talking about just this: 345.
00:38:07.000 John Adams seamlessly said the Constitution was only written for a moral, religious people.
00:38:11.000 It was wholly inadequate for the people of any other. 0.60
00:38:13.000 The body politic of America was so Christian and was so Protestant that our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in Christ our Lord.
00:38:21.000 One of the reasons we're living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government, and they're incompatible. 0.95
00:38:29.000 So you cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population. 1.00
00:38:33.000 I'll never forget watching that live.
00:38:34.000 Brilliant.
00:38:35.000 I looked at the team.
00:38:36.000 A longer clip that I'd love to play.
00:38:38.000 We just don't have enough time.
00:38:39.000 But I think you're right, Alex.
00:38:41.000 This is a threat to her, her way of life.
00:38:44.000 Christianity is a threat to her cult. 1.00
00:38:47.000 The left really is a cult. 0.86
00:38:48.000 It's an ideological cult.
00:38:50.000 And she knows that we're a threat, and we should become a bigger threat and organize even in greater measure.
00:38:56.000 Alex, final 30 seconds to you.
00:38:58.000 Yeah, I'm optimistic that with the message of Charlie, with what you guys are carrying forward, what I'm trying to do, and so many others like us, that this will just fuel people to get focused.
00:39:07.000 You play this clip to someone who's not a hardcore leftist and they say, this woman is completely insane. 1.00
00:39:12.000 I don't want anything to do with anything she's associated with.
00:39:15.000 So that's why I'm going to keep playing clips like this myself.
00:39:18.000 Amen.
00:39:19.000 Alex Marlowe, host of the Alex Marlowe Show, editor-in-chief of Bright Barton Breaking the Law, is also out.
00:39:25.000 Out, so check out that book.
00:39:26.000 Your breaking series is really important, Alex.
00:39:29.000 Charlie was a big believer in it.
00:39:30.000 Thank you for making the time, my friend.
00:39:31.000 We'll see you soon.
00:39:32.000 You guys stick with it.
00:39:33.000 You guys are doing a great job.