The Charlie Kirk Show - September 29, 2026


Beyond the Midterms: Getting the Ultimate Win

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00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.
00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.
00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.
00:00:19.000 But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.
00:00:24.000 College is a scam, everybody.
00:00:26.000 You've got to stop sending your kids to college.
00:00:27.000 You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.
00:00:31.000 Go start a Turning Point USA college chapter.
00:00:33.000 Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter.
00:00:35.000 Go find out how your church can get involved.
00:00:37.000 Sign up and become an activist.
00:00:39.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.
00:00:41.000 Most important decision I ever made in my life.
00:00:43.000 And I encourage you to do the same.
00:00:45.000 Here I am.
00:00:46.000 Lord, use me.
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00:00:49.000 Here we go.
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00:01:17.000 All right.
00:01:18.000 Welcome, everybody.
00:01:19.000 September 29, 2026.
00:01:22.000 I am still in our nation's capital, but Blake is holding it down at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.
00:01:28.000 How are we doing, Blake?
00:01:29.000 I'm doing great.
00:01:29.000 Not only do I have your mic flag, I have my mic flag.
00:01:33.000 I have two mic flags.
00:01:34.000 You have none.
00:01:35.000 You don't even have a blank mic flag on that microphone.
00:01:37.000 I'm not going to quibble this morning.
00:01:39.000 I'm not in the mood, Blake.
00:01:40.000 But I heard it's raining in Phoenix.
00:01:43.000 It is.
00:01:44.000 I told you it rains all the time here.
00:01:46.000 It rained a bunch yesterday.
00:01:48.000 I actually got soaked.
00:01:49.000 We were out walking to the nearby Starbucks, got completely drenched.
00:01:53.000 It rained the day before.
00:01:54.000 I think Starbucks are in there.
00:01:55.000 I think it's going to rain today.
00:01:57.000 Wow.
00:01:57.000 Anyways, I'm missing the rain in Phoenix, which seems to be my usual routine, which is why I don't believe it rains like Blake thinks it does in Phoenix.
00:02:07.000 Listen, I want to start the show off with a little order of business.
00:02:11.000 Blake and I sort of debated whether we should even go into it at all, but we got flooded with emails from you guys, so we know that it's on your mind.
00:02:20.000 And then, listen, the story went mega viral yesterday on social media.
00:02:23.000 I was aware of it, I was watching it play out.
00:02:26.000 I haven't really dove into it too much, but of course, I'm talking about some of the allegations that were made against Candace Owens.
00:02:33.000 Obviously, she's made many allegations against us, and therefore, a lot of you were, I think, enjoying the story as it unfolded.
00:02:43.000 And I just want to say a couple things.
00:02:45.000 I appreciate the emails.
00:02:47.000 Thank you guys for thinking of us.
00:02:48.000 Thank you for supporting us.
00:02:51.000 In general terms, I don't love the salacious aspect of politics where if you have disagreements with somebody, you dumpster dive and you try and scandalize all of their past.
00:03:02.000 And I don't like that, okay?
00:03:04.000 I think this should be a conversation about ideas, about the future of the country, about values.
00:03:09.000 But in this instance, I will say I understand and I relate to a lot of your emails because of the manner in which.
00:03:16.000 Said person has attacked us, has attacked the organization, has attacked Erica.
00:03:21.000 Ultimately, even when it's funny, the purpose of this show and the purpose of this organization is to save America, not to make jokes about carpets.
00:03:30.000 Though it's very tempting.
00:03:32.000 And we know all of you have very strong opinions on it.
00:03:35.000 Obviously.
00:03:37.000 Listen, I want to say, listen, in this one instance, I understand why you guys are responding the way you are.
00:03:42.000 I understand why the internet is responding the way it is.
00:03:45.000 I don't love it.
00:03:46.000 I don't have to love it.
00:03:47.000 I don't even love it in this instance, if I'm just being completely honest.
00:03:49.000 I kind of do.
00:03:50.000 I kind of do.
00:03:51.000 But, and, but, you know, we do want it to be about the ideas.
00:03:56.000 And listen, I understand why you guys are reacting to it.
00:03:59.000 That's all I'm going to say.
00:04:00.000 That's all I'm going to say.
00:04:02.000 I understand why you guys are sending us so many emails.
00:04:05.000 Okay, I just wanted to address the elephant in the room because some people on the internet are not.
00:04:10.000 Someone is definitely not.
00:04:12.000 Yeah.
00:04:13.000 So let's get into it.
00:04:14.000 And by the way, I will say, you know, I can't, I don't know any of the veracity of some of the claims.
00:04:21.000 Some people seem to find it very compelling.
00:04:23.000 I'm not even going to go into it because we try and honor the way Charlie would do things as much as possible on this show.
00:04:31.000 And the way Charlie would do it is he would rise above it.
00:04:33.000 And he would stay focused on winning.
00:04:35.000 We have midterms coming up.
00:04:37.000 And here's one big data point that I want everybody to fully, fully understand.
00:04:45.000 We are at about 15,000 naturalizations a month.
00:04:49.000 This level has dropped like a rock, Blake.
00:04:52.000 And we're going to get into the whole college thing in just a second.
00:04:54.000 But this number has dropped like a rock.
00:04:56.000 We are actually at, so in August, 15,349 naturalizations were approved and 4,213 were denied.
00:05:06.000 That is a 21.5% denial rate.
00:05:09.000 Here's what's crazy.
00:05:10.000 This is literally lower immigration than pre-heart seller.
00:05:15.000 So when it comes to naturalizations every month, and you see it just drop like a rock.
00:05:20.000 And I remember that Secretary Mullen took some fire for basically saying a million were naturalized, but he was actually, that was part of the Biden backlog, and they'd already been approved, and they had to kind of get through that.
00:05:31.000 This is the new normal under a Trump administration. 0.87
00:05:35.000 So, all you black pillars, all you accelerationists, all you let's go third party, You horseshoe people. 0.96
00:05:42.000 You've got no answer for that. 0.99
00:05:45.000 You've got zero answer for that.
00:05:47.000 Blake, in living memory, we have never seen net migration out of the country, which we currently have.
00:05:52.000 We've never seen this many actual interior enforcement deportations.
00:05:56.000 We've never seen naturalizations that low.
00:05:59.000 And this is what matters the most because a lot of people who they only ever engage with the world as sound bites and podcast episodes would freak out because sometimes Secretary Mullen would say something that they interpret as too pro immigrant.
00:06:14.000 And that's frankly something, honestly, it might be a strategy to distract and lull people who freak out about these things.
00:06:21.000 That is why, and we've always heard the opposite.
00:06:24.000 We've heard incredibly based takes from someone who then goes and does the same policies that we've had for decades that have been wrecking the country.
00:06:33.000 That is why you have to pay attention to the facts on the ground.
00:06:37.000 And what are the facts that we've seen play out over the course of 2026?
00:06:41.000 It's every month getting record new numbers of arrests. 0.51
00:06:45.000 Record new numbers of deportations, hundreds of flights sending people back to their home countries or to third countries that have agreed to take these illegal immigrants.
00:06:54.000 And then we're seeing lower new arrivals for every type of visa student visa, work visa, H 1B.
00:07:01.000 We're seeing fewer people getting naturalized.
00:07:04.000 Everywhere across the board, Trump is delivering on his promises to fix our nation's immigration system.
00:07:12.000 The thing that he came down the escalator promising to do.
00:07:15.000 Back in 2016, we're finally getting it.
00:07:18.000 It is going to have a transformative effect on this country, quite literally, because for decades we were transforming this country through the opposite.
00:07:28.000 That was the left's plan to just continue this unabated until you had a third world crap hole that only elects Democrats.
00:07:36.000 President Trump has stopped that cold, and it's a huge win. 0.57
00:07:40.000 And there's other wins that are going on in the background, as we've been discussing, Andrew.
00:07:44.000 Well, and listen, this is the issue.
00:07:47.000 I completely agree.
00:07:48.000 And then, you know, I. Posted about this on social media, and the same old usual suspects go, Yeah, this is just a drop in the bucket.
00:07:55.000 Well, it's like, okay, fine.
00:07:57.000 Do you want to keep adding gallons and gallons to the bucket, or do you want to start dealing with the problem and scraping back these hard fought wins that we're doing right now?
00:08:07.000 What do you want?
00:08:07.000 Do you want progress, or do you just want more regression?
00:08:10.000 Do you want a doom and gloom, or do you actually want to get the problem solved?
00:08:14.000 Nothing says.
00:08:15.000 So, anyways, go ahead.
00:08:16.000 Nothing says that someone is addicted to losing and wants to lose than facing something like record border security, record deportations that are, in the case of deportations, escalating month over month, and they just whine, it's not an ith.
00:08:31.000 It's a drop in the bucket.
00:08:32.000 It's nothing.
00:08:33.000 When the situation is better than it has ever been and getting better, and you can't recognize that win, you can't celebrate that win, you can't go, This is incredible, more, more, more.
00:08:45.000 Someone who's going to have a negative reaction to that is someone who wants to lose.
00:08:49.000 And you should recognize that when someone does something like that.
00:08:53.000 Well, and listen, if the stakes weren't already extraordinarily clear for you out there in the audience, please consider that right now there is a migrant caravan.
00:09:02.000 Gathering steam coming up through Guatemala, up through Mexico, because they think that the polling is going to prove accurate.
00:09:10.000 They think that Democrats are going to win the midterms in some landslide fashion.
00:09:13.000 They think that they're going to impeach President Trump, that they're going to be able to get back into this country.
00:09:18.000 That's what's happening right now.
00:09:20.000 The enemy is at our doorstep.
00:09:22.000 And yes, some of them, I assume, are nice people, but they are trying to invade the country.
00:09:27.000 They have no right to do so.
00:09:28.000 That is criminal.
00:09:29.000 It must be repelled.
00:09:31.000 Here you go. 0.95
00:09:32.000 Here's Secretary Mullen on this caravan. 0.93
00:09:33.000 Sop five.
00:09:34.000 I've been talking with the Mexican government.
00:09:37.000 We actually have been watching this caravan for quite some time.
00:09:40.000 They're also participating and helping to start break this caravan up.
00:09:45.000 We made this very clear.
00:09:47.000 We will flex with DOW, we'll flex with assets we have in DHS, we'll put the Coast Guard down there.
00:09:55.000 And we don't, not to mention, remember, we are building walls every single day.
00:09:59.000 There's zero, zero possibility you're going to get in here like the Biden administration and claim asylum with those magic words.
00:10:08.000 And that, there, my friends, is the whole kit and caboodle.
00:10:11.000 That is the whole ball game.
00:10:13.000 If you let these scoundrels, if you let the Democrat Party regain power in this country, they will let those people in.
00:10:19.000 They will be your neighbors. 0.83
00:10:20.000 You will see them at the DMV.
00:10:22.000 You will see them at the ER.
00:10:24.000 You will see them in your children's schools.
00:10:27.000 No more.
00:10:28.000 Vote Republican, for goodness sakes.
00:10:30.000 It's that simple.
00:10:32.000 A little breaking news here Jack Smith is getting grilled before Congress.
00:10:36.000 We're actually going to have Senator Eric Schmidt on in just about.
00:10:40.000 13 minutes, so I'm going to ask him about this.
00:10:42.000 But according to Julie Kelly on X, Jack Smith just admitted to Ted Cruz, Senator Ted Cruz, that he subpoenaed records of ad buys on Fox News made by conservative organizations such as TPUSA.
00:10:56.000 Smith claims the subpoenas were related to false statements they were investigating.
00:11:01.000 Okay.
00:11:02.000 Turns out Jack Smith was all up in Turning Point's grill.
00:11:06.000 And, like, what on earth?
00:11:11.000 What on earth did we, why would that qualify for an investigation?
00:11:14.000 It's shocking stuff, but we'll ask Senator Eric Schmidt about that in just a second.
00:11:19.000 So that's breaking news, breaking right here.
00:11:22.000 I want to pivot our attention until then, Blake, to this story that is getting a total freak out coverage response from the left.
00:11:35.000 And that is that Trump has moved to cut off student loans for a lot of different degrees.
00:11:41.000 Under the new rule, if your degree doesn't make enough money, you will not be able to get a student loan.
00:11:45.000 We have told you, Charlie has told you, college is a scam, but especially certain degrees are a scam.
00:11:51.000 Blake, I know you love this idea.
00:11:53.000 I'm going to let you riff on it.
00:11:54.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:11:54.000 And so this went, they've announced this a while ago.
00:11:58.000 I think the actual rules were rolling out in July, but it went mega viral a couple days ago.
00:12:03.000 26 million views for a New Republic post about it on X, a bunch of other spinoffs.
00:12:09.000 And what it basically is, they frame it this way Trump is banning students from majoring in degrees that don't make enough money from taking out college loans.
00:12:17.000 Degrees for social work, art, religious studies, teaching aids, and music will be hit the hardest.
00:12:22.000 They present it as though the Trump administration.
00:12:26.000 As they say, banning students from majoring.
00:12:28.000 Like they have this thing like, no one's allowed to major in music anymore.
00:12:32.000 No one's allowed to study religion anymore.
00:12:34.000 No, no.
00:12:34.000 Here is what is going on.
00:12:36.000 The default for ages has been that the federal government will let people take out huge amounts, basically infinite amounts of student loans to study anything they want.
00:12:47.000 And as we know, this has entrapped and hurt millions of Americans because they've taken out money for degrees that it turns out don't translate to a higher paying job.
00:12:58.000 Who wins in this?
00:13:00.000 The schools are winning in this.
00:13:01.000 They win because they get all of the money and they have no accountability for making sure that the person they were educating actually has a career at the end of this. 0.84
00:13:11.000 They get rich, the student gets screwed.
00:13:14.000 And so the Trump administration says, wait a minute, why are we funneling taxpayer money to pay loans that often won't be repaid and that will make the recipient worse off?
00:13:24.000 That is a bad use of money.
00:13:25.000 And so they say, we're going to find programs, not even degrees, just programs at specific schools.
00:13:32.000 Where they say consistently, the people who study this, the person studying social work at this university, is not getting a job where they do any better than a person who never got a degree at all.
00:13:44.000 And they're going to say, well, in that case, we're not going to have loans go to that.
00:13:48.000 We're only going to have loans go to something where there is some sort of value add from that degree.
00:13:53.000 And this is something Charlie harped on over and over again that so many college programs were a scam.
00:14:00.000 And the Trump administration is saying, we still have student loans.
00:14:04.000 But it's only going to go to things that are not obviously a scam.
00:14:08.000 This is something to protect young Americans.
00:14:11.000 And it says everything that the left is freaking out about this.
00:14:14.000 And here's why they're freaking out about it they are freaking out because their clients, the people they care about, are universities.
00:14:22.000 These universities, they've gotten rich for decades off of the student loan scam.
00:14:26.000 They hike tuition a ton every year.
00:14:28.000 They pay for more programs, more administrators, more salaries.
00:14:32.000 A big thing that they pay for is.
00:14:34.000 Do nothing jobs for young left wing activists so they can park them somewhere and have their real job of left wing activism.
00:14:41.000 That has all been funded by the endless student loan spigot.
00:14:45.000 And the Trump administration is finally saying, actually, wait, we don't need to pay for this.
00:14:50.000 We don't need to have taxpayer money go to enrich schools and impoverish students.
00:14:55.000 I completely agree.
00:14:56.000 Get this stat, Blake.
00:14:57.000 By borrower count, more than 9.3 million recipients of federal loans are in default out of 40.5 million with outstanding federal student loans.
00:15:06.000 So almost one fourth.
00:15:09.000 23% of borrowers have at least one loan in default.
00:15:13.000 So basically, what the federal government is doing is saying, hey, certain degrees are a bad bet.
00:15:18.000 It's a bad business deal.
00:15:19.000 We wouldn't give a loan to a company if we didn't think it could turn a profit.
00:15:23.000 In the same way, we're not going to give a loan to certain degrees if they don't have earning potential in the future.
00:15:29.000 And to your point, Blake, these are future activists.
00:15:32.000 What we are doing is we are enriching the academy, which turns out activists, which is headed and taught by and staffed by.
00:15:41.000 Far left professors ideologically opposed to American values.
00:15:45.000 So the taxpayer has been subsidizing the degradation of the nation state.
00:15:49.000 Exactly.
00:15:50.000 And it typically comes in the sense of these, in terms of these liberal arts degrees that hold very little value to the country.
00:15:58.000 Now, here's one last thing I'll say.
00:16:00.000 We have talked about the French Revolution, we have talked about other revolutions throughout history, and they are led by these low elites people with college degrees that are downwardly mobile, that are angsty and ticked off, and they're just smart enough to cause a bunch of problems.
00:16:15.000 That's who we are telling right now.
00:16:18.000 The federal government is saying, we're not going to subsidize your crappy degrees that pay off nothing for the taxpayer. 0.53
00:16:23.000 That's as simple as that. 0.87
00:16:24.000 Go ahead, Blake.
00:16:25.000 Precisely, precisely.
00:16:26.000 And, you know, I want to get, because we said Charlie literally wrote an entire book about this.
00:16:30.000 He talked about it endlessly.
00:16:31.000 I want to get one of those ready to go.
00:16:33.000 This is just one of many clips, Charlie pointing out the way the college scam works.
00:16:37.000 Let's do clip 17.
00:16:39.000 Just to be clear, the vast majority of people going to college should not go.
00:16:42.000 Just one number off the top is that 40% of kids that enroll in college drop out, they don't graduate at all.
00:16:48.000 And the vast majority of kids are studying things that humanities, sociology, or gender studies.
00:16:53.000 There is, of course, a role for some people to go to college.
00:16:56.000 That requires some technical proficiency.
00:16:58.000 But what happened, Brian, is that the entire value proposition was turned on its head.
00:17:04.000 Whether it be the $200,000 plus of cost that it occurs for over four years, the bad ideas, the woke ideology, we're really playing with some very dangerous elements here.
00:17:15.000 And so I encourage young people to think twice before going to college, and not everyone needs to go to college to succeed in America.
00:17:21.000 Amen, amen.
00:17:23.000 Not everyone needs to go.
00:17:24.000 And this will actually, in the long run, This will make college better because we'll actually encourage the schools themselves to have programs that are useful.
00:17:34.000 Or if they are not going to be as lucrative, then they'll at least be cheaper.
00:17:39.000 If you're going to study something just for your edification, you need a professor and a blackboard and a reading list, and you can read those books online these days.
00:17:47.000 You don't need to be spending $75,000 a year to study it, which some of these schools charge.
00:17:53.000 I am massively in favor of this.
00:17:55.000 We need to break this cartel that.
00:17:57.000 Unthinkingly funnels federal dollars to universities that hate America and that are exploiting America's young people.
00:18:05.000 This is a win for young people.
00:18:07.000 It is the federal government coming in and saying, We are protecting you from a scam that is preying on you.
00:18:14.000 Yeah, I mean, my only critique is that it doesn't go far enough, Blake.
00:18:17.000 I want this to go even deeper.
00:18:18.000 I think there are whole disciplines, entire disciplines that should be added to this list.
00:18:24.000 No federal student loans.
00:18:25.000 And that is ultimately going to be a reforming function.
00:18:28.000 That will force the academies to be better, to be more ideologically balanced, to have degrees that actually offer skills.
00:18:35.000 So we are pro this, but go farther, okay?
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00:20:09.000 Senator Eric Schmidt joins us.
00:20:10.000 Senator, we're getting into OPT, we're getting into a bunch of things, but you just grilled Jack Smith.
00:20:18.000 On the Hill, tell us about it.
00:20:20.000 What was the point of it?
00:20:21.000 And then we've got some clips I want to go over with you.
00:20:23.000 Well, I think that Jack Smith is the epitome of what the weaponization of government really is all about.
00:20:29.000 You know, I mean, this guy was appointed special counsel a couple of days after President Trump announced he was running again.
00:20:35.000 His job was to get Trump.
00:20:37.000 Then you had these other cases in Atlanta and New York.
00:20:40.000 The number three guy at DOJ goes to New York.
00:20:42.000 There's this coordination that happens.
00:20:44.000 I mean, it really is something we've never seen in this country before.
00:20:47.000 And so he was finally before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
00:20:49.000 We asked him a bunch of questions.
00:20:50.000 He ignored the advice of, That even the department Biden's Department of Justice, uh, public integrity unit by filing things so close to the election, this was all about making sure President Trump never got to the White House again.
00:21:03.000 So, perhaps the biggest case he ever lost, and he's lost a lot of them, is the one the American people got to weigh in on in November of 2024 and sent President Trump back to office.
00:21:12.000 Man, that's a great point, mic drop moment for me right there.
00:21:16.000 Um, so there's this clip that I just saw in the last segment, Senator, and it is for me, it's shocking, right?
00:21:23.000 Because it feels like It's almost like you're coming after Charlie again, all over again.
00:21:29.000 Senator Cruz was asking if he subpoenaed Turning Point, which apparently he did.
00:21:34.000 Some of the records related to Turning Point.
00:21:37.000 SOT 24 here.
00:21:39.000 Did your team subpoena records concerning the Republican National Committee?
00:21:46.000 We subpoenaed a number of records.
00:21:48.000 That's a yes or no question.
00:21:52.000 I do not have, I just want to be clear with you, Senator, I do not have a recollection of every subpoena.
00:21:57.000 We did subpoena.
00:21:58.000 Numerous records.
00:21:59.000 Did your team subpoena the RNC?
00:22:01.000 I would have to look at those records, but we did.
00:22:03.000 You're testifying you don't remember?
00:22:04.000 Yes, no, or I don't remember.
00:22:06.000 There's your three options.
00:22:08.000 It is very possible.
00:22:09.000 I do not have a collection of records.
00:22:10.000 Okay, did your team subpoena Turning Point USA?
00:22:15.000 Again, I would have to look at the records.
00:22:16.000 You have any idea who you subpoenaed?
00:22:18.000 Can you name it?
00:22:19.000 All right, let me help you.
00:22:22.000 Did your team subpoena the Conservative Partnership Institute?
00:22:26.000 That I do remember, yes.
00:22:27.000 Okay, good.
00:22:28.000 We found one.
00:22:29.000 Jeez Louise.
00:22:30.000 So, Senator Schmidt, if you subpoenaed, you've been an attorney, you've been an attorney general.
00:22:36.000 If you subpoenaed the DNC, do you think that you would be able to remember when questioned?
00:22:40.000 If you subpoenaed Act Blue, do you think you would remember?
00:22:43.000 Yeah.
00:22:44.000 This was not like some case from 10 years ago of some petty robbery in a small town somewhere.
00:22:51.000 This was perhaps the biggest case ever brought in the history of our country because it was meant to, again, go after the President of the United States and not just him, actually.
00:23:01.000 I think what he wanted was this enormous show trial.
00:23:03.000 To bring in people whose only crime was that they were Republicans.
00:23:07.000 Turning Point was part of that.
00:23:08.000 I was actually the chairman of the Republican Attorneys General Association at the time.
00:23:13.000 They subpoenaed Raga.
00:23:15.000 I mean, this was a net that was cast far and wide just to sort of scoop up whoever they could for, again, their only crime being Republicans or conservatives.
00:23:25.000 Jack Smith, I guess, just to get into the psychology a little bit, he thought he was going to ride in and be a hero.
00:23:32.000 But the truth is, this guy was the ultimate villain.
00:23:35.000 You know, he was the ultimate villain.
00:23:36.000 Show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
00:23:38.000 That's what his job was.
00:23:39.000 Thankfully, you know, he got tossed out of court on the presidential immunity case.
00:23:44.000 That case stalled and the election happened, and President Trump won in a landslide.
00:23:48.000 All right. 0.98
00:23:49.000 Well, Jack Smith is a total dirtbag. 0.95
00:23:51.000 And you caught him out on this NBA game, too, by the way, in Atlanta.
00:23:56.000 I want to make sure we get to everything we were supposed to get to here, Senator, but it was a great moment.
00:24:01.000 So good for you on that.
00:24:02.000 Okay.
00:24:02.000 Last night, the Protect College Sports Act of 2026 passed.
00:24:08.000 Now, we're big sports fans around here.
00:24:09.000 Danny's always moaning and groaning about Ohio State getting beat by Texas and other things.
00:24:15.000 The Cubs, the Bears, all the things.
00:24:18.000 So, we talk about it a lot here.
00:24:19.000 So, what is in this bill?
00:24:20.000 It passed 77 to 22, a rare moment of some bipartisan cooperation here.
00:24:25.000 Why is this important?
00:24:26.000 Why is it top of the list for you right now?
00:24:28.000 Yeah, look, I think college sports are a uniquely American thing.
00:24:32.000 You know, it really doesn't exist anywhere in the world where you have these traditions, whether it's at Mizzou games or Florida games or Ohio State games.
00:24:39.000 Those are things that are passed down for generation to generation.
00:24:42.000 And really, college sports is at this inflection point right now where There are no rules.
00:24:46.000 I mean, 27 year olds can compete against 17 year olds.
00:24:50.000 People are going pro and they're coming back.
00:24:52.000 You have unlimited transfers.
00:24:53.000 And so, really, what it's meant to do is to provide some structure.
00:24:57.000 You got five years of eligibility.
00:24:59.000 You can't go pro and come back.
00:25:01.000 You get a one time free transfer.
00:25:03.000 It does a lot to protect student athletes so they can't lose their scholarships because of an injury and all those sorts of things.
00:25:08.000 And so, I just viewed this as somebody who played a lot of sports growing up, including in college, and then just been a fan.
00:25:14.000 Like the people that I talk to, like regular people, Like, they actually care about this stuff.
00:25:18.000 It's more cultural than it is political.
00:25:20.000 So, I was happy to help lead the fight to bring some sanity here.
00:25:24.000 We got to get it passed in the House.
00:25:25.000 The president is very supportive of this.
00:25:27.000 As you know, he's like a legit sports fan.
00:25:30.000 Like, he's not some phony sports ball guy.
00:25:32.000 Like, he actually loves sports.
00:25:34.000 He loves college sports.
00:25:35.000 I talked to him last night.
00:25:36.000 He was thrilled with the vote count, and we just got to get it through the House now.
00:25:39.000 Yeah.
00:25:40.000 Well, and by the way, you are a sports fan, but you are a practitioner of sports as well.
00:25:45.000 You played the game.
00:25:47.000 Don't forget.
00:25:49.000 The diving catch, your face looks good, by the way, but that diving catch at the Congressional Baseball game, that was one for the ages.
00:25:55.000 That was one for the ages.
00:25:56.000 You know what?
00:25:57.000 I don't know.
00:25:57.000 I do.
00:25:58.000 Hold it down for the GOP.
00:25:59.000 Yeah, I never expected to be on SportsCenter, but it happened.
00:26:03.000 So I'm pretty happy about that.
00:26:06.000 Yes.
00:26:07.000 All right, let's get into this fraudulent OPT program.
00:26:11.000 You made it so it's a big win.
00:26:14.000 ICE has just announced a jaw dropping fraud bust saying 10,000 foreign students are involved in federal government's OPT, optional practical training. 0.84
00:26:22.000 This is when you get a degree.
00:26:24.000 In theory, this is what it's supposed to be.
00:26:26.000 And then you get a job related to your major, right? 0.99
00:26:30.000 I think it's a total crap, by the way. 1.00
00:26:31.000 Like, sorry, we shouldn't be importing all of these foreigners to take spots away from Americans just to give more money to these institutions. 1.00
00:26:40.000 And then they take spots from Americans, okay? 0.99
00:26:42.000 So, two things here.
00:26:43.000 But you have been fighting on the OPT front.
00:26:46.000 So, educate our audience.
00:26:47.000 Why should they care about OPT, these like diploma mills, all this stuff?
00:26:53.000 Talk about it.
00:26:54.000 Yeah.
00:26:54.000 So, we talk a lot about illegal immigration, right?
00:26:57.000 And we should, because it's been a disaster 15 to 20 million people in four years.
00:27:02.000 But the president has successfully closed the border.
00:27:04.000 That's good.
00:27:05.000 Deportation should continue, right?
00:27:07.000 Like at a big scale.
00:27:09.000 But we don't talk enough, I don't think, you do, I do, about legal immigration and the challenges and the fraud and the sort of raw deal that Americans get because of our legal immigration system.
00:27:19.000 Just a couple of examples. 0.51
00:27:20.000 We talk a lot about H 1B programs, these are literally taking jobs away.
00:27:25.000 From hardworking Americans who can do the work.
00:27:27.000 It's not because we don't have people.
00:27:29.000 When Microsoft lays off thousands of people, they're just bringing in foreign workers because they're cheaper and more compliant. 0.75
00:27:35.000 The American worker who does the same job has to train his or her replacement. 0.85
00:27:39.000 That's the total indignity for their severance pay. 0.69
00:27:41.000 So that's H 1B.
00:27:42.000 That's a problem.
00:27:43.000 OPT is basically become a visa mill for universities because they get these students to come into the country.
00:27:50.000 They pay full freight.
00:27:52.000 Employers then don't have to pay taxes if somebody graduates with a STEM degree for two years, they don't have to pay the employer tax.
00:27:58.000 Think about that.
00:27:59.000 So we're actually subsidizing American companies to not hire American workers, but hire foreign workers who can do the same job after they graduate. 0.77
00:28:08.000 It's ridiculous.
00:28:09.000 It's why some of the highest rates of unemployment for young people coming out of college are for engineering degrees because.
00:28:15.000 The OPT system exists.
00:28:19.000 It's fraught with all kinds of problems.
00:28:20.000 We've been trying to point that out.
00:28:21.000 This, so that's like if it's done the correct way under the law.
00:28:25.000 This is a massive scam that was uncovered where people probably aren't even working in the places and the companies that are getting the tax break because they're supposed to be hiring, I guess, phantom OPT folks.
00:28:35.000 So there's a lot of fraud out there, but the program in and of itself has been a total joke.
00:28:41.000 It displaces American workers just like the H 1B program, and by the way, also displaces American students. 0.91
00:28:47.000 Because those are spots at universities that aren't going to Americans but are going to foreigners because they pay full freight. 0.81
00:28:53.000 Universities like that.
00:28:54.000 We got to end this thing.
00:28:55.000 Yeah, it is a scam.
00:28:57.000 You know, I checked around on this story, Senator, and you mentioned in your tweet thread that the Trump administration might assess like a $100,000 fee, similar to it with the H 1B, if you want to do one of these things.
00:29:10.000 But I've checked around, and there's some people that believe that you could just get rid of this by presidential executive order or empowering the DHS to just remove this because it's not an order by Congress.
00:29:21.000 Yes.
00:29:21.000 Is that something that you guys are exploring right now?
00:29:23.000 Yes, yes.
00:29:25.000 H 1B is statutory.
00:29:26.000 This was created by DHS, and we're urging DHS to just get rid of it.
00:29:33.000 And we've been kind of on this and focused on even when Secretary Noam was in office and now with Secretary Mullen.
00:29:40.000 This is just thing. 0.97
00:29:41.000 I just, you know, if we're trying to empower young people, right, like if people want to feel like they have more opportunity in this country, they can be part of an ownership society where they own things and they want to be able to get a job, we should not be putting foreigners at the front of the line. 0.98
00:29:55.000 Who don't have any special skill above an American worker, or they don't, they're not a better student. 0.95
00:30:00.000 It's just we've created a system where it's more lucrative to do that.
00:30:03.000 And that's wrong.
00:30:04.000 So if you want to be America first, let's put Americans first. 0.72
00:30:07.000 Yeah.
00:30:08.000 Well, and I put this out there this morning, and we talked about it on the show. 0.98
00:30:13.000 If there's one, I mean, listen, you can doom and gloom about Iran all you want.
00:30:16.000 You can doom and gloom about whatever your pet issue is.
00:30:19.000 But for immigration alone, you've got to vote conservative up and down the ticket.
00:30:23.000 The wind is stacking up.
00:30:25.000 I got to get this clip in here for you, Senator Schmidt.
00:30:28.000 You did a great job.
00:30:30.000 So, gotta give you some flowers here, sir.
00:30:34.000 Sot 25.
00:30:35.000 Were you in Atlanta?
00:30:38.000 I do not believe so.
00:30:39.000 Okay, did you ever go to Atlanta during your time as special counsel?
00:30:47.000 I really don't think so.
00:30:48.000 It's possible I flew through the Atlanta airport.
00:30:52.000 I definitely did not go to a Hawks game.
00:30:54.000 I'm sure that.
00:30:55.000 Did you ever meet Nathan Wade or Fannie Willis in your time as special counsel?
00:31:00.000 No.
00:31:01.000 What would you say if I had a series of text messages from your team that said you were in Atlanta at a Warrior Hawks game on February 3rd, 2024, the day after Willis and Wade announced their affair?
00:31:18.000 I don't think you know that we have this stuff.
00:31:20.000 I think you've already perjured yourself.
00:31:24.000 Dang.
00:31:27.000 So you had text messages from his team confirming that he was going to a Hawks game, and he sat there acting dumbfounded and completely clueless.
00:31:35.000 It was the only NBA or NCAA men's game going on at that time in Atlanta.
00:31:39.000 He claimed later that he was at another game.
00:31:42.000 I don't, you know, here's the thing my job is to ask the questions.
00:31:45.000 He's already, and if that's what his answer is, then that's what his answer is.
00:31:50.000 But he also said that he also took the advice of the public integrity unit, and he didn't because he was filing briefs within the 60 day window.
00:31:59.000 We were not supposed to do it before 11.
00:32:01.000 Jack Smith has lied under oath time and time again.
00:32:03.000 And so, you know, the purpose of today is just to get him to answer a bunch of questions and see if he ensnares himself in more lies because he's done that before.
00:32:12.000 Do you think there's the appetite to pursue any actual accountability here?
00:32:17.000 Man, here's the thing.
00:32:18.000 Here's what I say about this I just don't know how.
00:32:23.000 You know, if people who did all this, who conspired, you know, even from the very beginning with Clapper and Comey and Brennan on the whole Russiagate stuff, I mean, you've got to think about this, Andrew.
00:32:36.000 From the very beginning, they hated Trump for what he stood for.
00:32:39.000 They spied on him during his campaign.
00:32:42.000 And then they knew that was all nonsense.
00:32:44.000 The whole dossier, Steele dossier, was all nonsense.
00:32:47.000 But even when he became president, they turned it into this Russian asset thing and they wouldn't let it go.
00:32:51.000 Then they impeached him a couple of times.
00:32:53.000 And then, you know, they.
00:32:55.000 Refused to release the Hunter Biden laptop stuff and they denied that that was true, even though it was true.
00:33:00.000 And then, you know, Trump's coming back and they want to stop him.
00:33:03.000 So Jack Smith gets appointed and Fannie Willis gets appointed and Alvin Bragg moves forward with his prosecution.
00:33:08.000 They did everything.
00:33:10.000 I don't view, like, there's a difference between weaponization, which is what they did, and accountability, which is I think people ought to be held accountable for this kind of stuff.
00:33:19.000 And so Jack Smith was tip of the spear, man.
00:33:21.000 His career, he was known in prosecutor circles as somebody who had been super aggressive and wrong all the time.
00:33:28.000 He had cases where he overcharged things and the courts sort of threw him out.
00:33:34.000 And that's exactly why Merrick Garland and Joe Biden wanted him for this because they didn't care.
00:33:38.000 They just wanted to sideline Trump.
00:33:40.000 And so he's the worst of the worst in all this. 0.91
00:33:43.000 And I just, the lies pile up.
00:33:45.000 He claims he wasn't getting contents of messages when it came out that he actually was.
00:33:50.000 It wasn't just toll records.
00:33:51.000 So the list goes on and on.
00:33:53.000 And I think it was important from being in front of that committee.
00:33:56.000 And then we'll see what people do with that information.
00:33:59.000 But I think that we ought to be aggressive here.
00:34:02.000 I just can't believe that no one is going to be held accountable for the stuff that they did.
00:34:07.000 Yeah, I mean, Senator, you said that this was potentially the biggest case that was ever pursued in the history of the country.
00:34:12.000 I don't think that that is hyperbole.
00:34:14.000 I think that when you have something of this size and scope, this level of import to the body politic, that you have to pursue accountability when so many potential crimes have been uncovered by your questioning today, whether that's Perjury, or just the way that the case was pursued by Jack Smith, you have to send a message.
00:34:37.000 We can't let this happen again.
00:34:39.000 We simply can't let this happen again.
00:34:40.000 I agree with you.
00:34:40.000 And I know that you, as an attorney, understand that.
00:34:42.000 Yeah, and if you zoom out, what they were really trying to do, they used January 6th as a justification for everything, everything under the sun.
00:34:51.000 Correct.
00:34:52.000 And if you boil it down, what they were trying to do was take out the political opponent, disenfranchise half of America who wanted to vote for this guy.
00:35:03.000 And also ruin the lives, ruin the lives of anybody who was quote unquote MAGA.
00:35:10.000 That's what they wanted to do.
00:35:11.000 They wanted to make it so toxic that they thought the brand and the ideology was so wrong that they were willing to go to these links and use our legal system to go after people.
00:35:21.000 And we just can't have that in this country.
00:35:23.000 You know what I mean?
00:35:24.000 And this is the United States of America. 0.90
00:35:26.000 This isn't show me the man, I'll show you the crime, Soviet style justice. 0.70
00:35:29.000 This is America. 0.76
00:35:31.000 But these people thought they were wearing the white hats, and they were not.
00:35:35.000 Not at all.
00:35:35.000 Well, Senator, if they get power back, I mean, after the midterms, we're going to see a series of investigations.
00:35:44.000 We're going to see an additional opportunity for them to abuse the investigatory power of these committees and these subpoenas.
00:35:52.000 There has to be a strong message sent right now.
00:35:54.000 And I guess that's where we should end this conversation.
00:35:56.000 We've got two and a half minutes left here, sir.
00:35:58.000 We're heading into the midterms.
00:36:00.000 And there's a lot of doomerism out there.
00:36:03.000 There's a lot of things that people are, the headwinds, right? 0.66
00:36:06.000 And you are from Red State America. 0.96
00:36:08.000 And that's where we're seeing some of the worst polling, is actually from the redder states, so the red states.
00:36:14.000 What's your message, right?
00:36:15.000 People in Missouri, but people of Kansas, Iowa, Ohio that are similarly based with agricultural workers, the price of diesel is killing everybody, function of the Ukraine Russia war mostly.
00:36:26.000 It's not even Iran in that sense.
00:36:28.000 What is your message to everybody as we're 36 days, we're 35 days out from polls?
00:36:34.000 Yeah, the elections in our republic are about a choice.
00:36:37.000 You've got a choice about an administration that has gone after waste and fraud and abuse, closed the border, deporting people who shouldn't be here.
00:36:46.000 You know, wages are outpacing inflation now.
00:36:49.000 Now, there's more work to do, but we don't have 9% inflation like we had under Joe Biden.
00:36:54.000 And so, do we want to go back?
00:36:55.000 Do we want to go back to a wide open border? 0.80
00:36:56.000 Do we want to go back to this DEI and CRT nonsense where our country's divided by race and these struggle sessions?
00:37:03.000 Do we want to go back to a place where the Democrats care more about, well, they still do, illegal immigrants more than they do about American citizens?
00:37:10.000 In this America Last agenda, I think that we've got more work to do, but the Democrats' solution to these problems are much worse.
00:37:18.000 I mean, you think gas prices are bad now.
00:37:20.000 Check out the Green New Deal.
00:37:22.000 Check out they want to get rid of the internal combustion engine.
00:37:25.000 They want you to pay higher gas prices.
00:37:27.000 So it's not temporary with them, it's real.
00:37:29.000 So I think we've got a choice.
00:37:31.000 We've got an opportunity to keep going to work for the American people.
00:37:34.000 And what we should always do is be fighters, never be afraid of the fight, get another opportunity, and take the fight again to the Democrats to protect American workers out there and bring back industry to this country.
00:37:45.000 Well said.
00:37:46.000 Senator Eric Schmidt, the great Eric Schmidt, diving catches and all.
00:37:51.000 Holding Jack Smith accountable right in front of Congress.
00:37:54.000 Hopefully, he got him to perjure himself, and so we'll see where that goes.
00:37:58.000 God bless you, sir.
00:37:59.000 Thank you for fighting for this country.
00:38:01.000 You are one of the fighters, and we appreciate everything you do.
00:38:04.000 Thank you, sir.
00:38:04.000 Thanks, my friend.
00:38:05.000 Thanks for all you do.
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00:38:57.000 We have the great Steve Dace here.
00:39:00.000 We have, I mean, we have some great guests today.
00:39:02.000 Eric Schmidt, Steve Dace.
00:39:05.000 Steve Dace is joining us.
00:39:06.000 You know, Steve, I said he's an Iowa guy, and Danny gets in my ear going, No, he's from Michigan.
00:39:11.000 He's a Michigan guy.
00:39:12.000 I was like, No, no, no, no.
00:39:13.000 He lives in Iowa, but he roots for Michigan.
00:39:17.000 And by the way, sorry about the weekend.
00:39:19.000 We were just talking about saving college sports, but Michigan's having a tough row to hoe right now, Steve. 0.95
00:39:26.000 So I apologize. 0.79
00:39:27.000 How are we doing, Steve?
00:39:28.000 Hey, listen, I mean, I've in the last few years watched my team win natties in football and men's basketball. 0.61
00:39:33.000 I'm pretty good.
00:39:34.000 Has your team won any titles, Andrew?
00:39:37.000 Listen, we made it.
00:39:38.000 To the national championship, and we lost to Alabama, which is not a.
00:39:43.000 So, no?
00:39:43.000 So, no.
00:39:46.000 So, you were close.
00:39:47.000 That would be enough.
00:39:48.000 We were close.
00:39:49.000 We were close.
00:39:50.000 One of the great ironies of my life, Steve, is that Charlie was a great, huge Ducks fan.
00:39:56.000 And if you know anything about Washington Husky football, the Ducks, we don't use a D in front of that, in front of the name, if you're a Washington fan.
00:40:05.000 So, it's a lower down on the letter list if you're grading.
00:40:09.000 Anyways, so we just had to kind of come to grips with it.
00:40:12.000 After losing Charlie, I've had to be begrudgingly become like kind of a quasi Ducks fan, and you know, Lanning's a great coach, so it is what it is.
00:40:20.000 Steve, you made a lot of news, and I will tell you because I'm in our nation's capital today.
00:40:26.000 Blake's holding it down at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.
00:40:29.000 But I, so I'm sitting at a meeting yesterday, and we're talking about midterms like, how do we feel about it?
00:40:35.000 Are we bullish?
00:40:36.000 Are we not?
00:40:36.000 And, and you know, I actually said I was feeling quite negative about it, and we had Mark Halpern on the show, you know, he said, Blake will remember this well.
00:40:46.000 It was like 15 point.
00:40:48.000 If you're in a Trump plus 15 district, you better do some polling to make sure you're still on top.
00:40:54.000 And I started feeling better about it.
00:40:55.000 But I'm sitting at this meeting and somebody brings up your name and says, So you're not going full Steve Dace right now.
00:41:03.000 So, Steve, I want to be constructive.
00:41:06.000 I want to be constructive.
00:41:08.000 But where do you feel like we're at right now?
00:41:11.000 And we're going to get philosophical, we're going to get cultural in this conversation with Steve.
00:41:15.000 We have the whole hour.
00:41:16.000 But let's talk midterms.
00:41:17.000 Where's your headspace at right now?
00:41:19.000 So let me just say from the outset that if I had received that information like two weeks before the election, I'm probably not going to share it because the reason I do everything is to win.
00:41:33.000 So if I'm sharing it six weeks out from the election, it's because I still think there's a chance to do something about it.
00:41:37.000 But I just don't think you ever win by not acknowledging reality.
00:41:42.000 I think you have to acknowledge reality in order to win.
00:41:46.000 And I think that sometimes in our business, that maybe what audiences want to hear. Is not necessarily what they need to hear.
00:41:55.000 That would be, and it might get you an immediate win in terms of some immediate clicks and feedback and engagement, but long term won't lead to the ultimate win.
00:42:04.000 And to me, I want us to get the ultimate win here.
00:42:07.000 And so I think there's a chance to still change the trajectory we're on.
00:42:11.000 The trajectory we're on is not good.
00:42:13.000 And I don't follow really a lot of modern polls anymore, guys.
00:42:16.000 I used to follow them zealously.
00:42:18.000 I used to have files on pollsters and who was good and who was not.
00:42:23.000 And Seltzer and pretty much the last couple of polling cycles broke me of that.
00:42:28.000 But I do know this when people can't afford fuel, you tend to lose if you're in power.
00:42:33.000 And when they can, you tend to win.
00:42:34.000 The most reliable poll that's ever held up over the last 50 years has been the price of fuel when we are voting.
00:42:40.000 And right now, it's just too darn high.
00:42:42.000 And it's causing everything else to be too darn high.
00:42:45.000 And it's killing us from a strategy standpoint because we could realistically pivot to every other long term economic indicator and say, We inherited this mess from the people that you put us in place of, and we're working on it.
00:42:59.000 And look at the things like the 140,000 new jobs that were just added, right?
00:43:02.000 We've severely curtailed both legal and illegal immigration in the country.
00:43:06.000 Back to those 140,000 jobs, more jobs are going to native born Americans than we've seen in the last few years. 0.95
00:43:12.000 There are some very good long term metrics there.
00:43:15.000 But when the touchstone for how people feel a lot of things are not good, you don't get to that second level of conversation, especially when, frankly, again, just being honest, it's the kind of war that people voted for us thinking they weren't going to get that is actually causing the issue.
00:43:32.000 So we're accepting a level of blame here by our own decisions.
00:43:37.000 Maybe the president and what he said to Lori Ingram over the weekend is right.
00:43:40.000 Maybe losing a midterm, maybe victory in Iran, whatever that would look like.
00:43:44.000 And I honestly don't know.
00:43:45.000 Maybe you guys do, but maybe that's worth losing these midterms because of how it would reshape a strategically vital part of the world.
00:43:52.000 He might even be right about that.
00:43:54.000 But to me, even having these conversations are how you lose.
00:43:57.000 I think there is a path to win here, and we can get into that.
00:44:01.000 But it's going to have to be similar to what the Democrats did in 2022, which is to go very negative.
00:44:07.000 Our biggest strength is.
00:44:09.000 Let me give you an analogy.
00:44:10.000 Too many guys focus on their weaknesses.
00:44:12.000 All right.
00:44:12.000 So let's say you're a dude who's shredded but balding.
00:44:15.000 Don't show up at the first date with a bad comb over and a toupee. 0.97
00:44:18.000 Instead, wear the tightest freaking clothes you have so she sees the guns. 0.96
00:44:22.000 All right. 0.98
00:44:22.000 Accentuate your strengths. 0.98
00:44:24.000 Okay. 0.99
00:44:25.000 The fuel thing, trying to argue around that is a loser. 0.99
00:44:28.000 And just even having the argument is a loser. 0.92
00:44:31.000 The biggest strength we have is who we're running against.
00:44:34.000 And that moment in 2022 when Biden came out in front of the red curtain, we all mocked it at the time, I did too, and said, that just goes to show they're out of talking points and they were.
00:44:42.000 But it also demonstrated that they had a base problem and it rallied their base and it got them to kind of a draw.
00:44:48.000 And the biggest number one issue we have right now is we have coalition depression, right?
00:44:53.000 And we're not all agreed on Iran and we're not all agreed on this or that.
00:44:56.000 What we all do agree on, though, is who we're up against.
00:44:59.000 And I think running a hard negative on who we're against, what they will do if they gain power, to me, that is the path Democrats use to drive down normie turnout, drive up their base turnout in 2022 and get a draw in a tough environment.
00:45:13.000 That's the exact game plan that I think we ought to pursue.
00:45:17.000 And I think lying about or to each other about where we truly are, I don't think that gets us to a win.
00:45:23.000 I think that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy in another direction.
00:45:25.000 Yeah, I think about it.
00:45:27.000 We've had those discussions about how a lot of really transformative wins that seemed far more than we could have hoped for that the border is totally fixed, that we actually are getting record levels of deportation.
00:45:41.000 The number of foreign born people in America is going down.
00:45:43.000 They're tremendous wins, and the people who Supposedly, we're getting those wins on behalf of are not expressing the gratitude they ought to.
00:45:52.000 But I think you might be right, Steve.
00:45:54.000 The way you bring that back to the fore is you point out all these Democrats who are running around to their own base and saying, We need to get back in power so we can have amnesty for all of these people, so that we can fly back in the people we deported.
00:46:08.000 That is something they will do.
00:46:10.000 They will pay money to fly someone who was deported, who wasn't illegal, back into this country, and then they will give them a government settlement of millions of dollars for the harm they suffered.
00:46:20.000 That is something.
00:46:21.000 Categorically, the left will do, and they're going to unleash absolute, they'll bring back mayhem in your streets.
00:46:29.000 We need to get the message through that the Democrats have never reckoned with their radical base.
00:46:34.000 They have not pushed them out, they have not forced them to change their tone.
00:46:37.000 They're merely out of power right now.
00:46:39.000 Correct.
00:46:40.000 I mean, everything you said is correct.
00:46:42.000 I mean, the Democrats are literally like they're running on we are a party for foreigners.
00:46:46.000 They're literally just running on this.
00:46:48.000 They're literally just running on that. 0.89
00:46:49.000 The only reason we have a chance in this environment in Michigan is they nominated an open Islamist for the U.S. Senate. 0.94
00:46:55.000 To me, that is the core argument, which is we know what they will do. 1.00
00:47:01.000 We cannot afford for them to do it.
00:47:03.000 And I would make that case.
00:47:05.000 I'd hammer that case more and more down the stretch here than trying to tell people that this is worth the trade when they don't, the Iran war is worth the trade off when they don't know what the trade off is, or pointing out that long term economic indicators are good on several fronts when in the short term, most Americans are only living paycheck to paycheck these days.
00:47:25.000 And I look at my own home state of Iowa and why I think in particular this is vital because this is the state.
00:47:31.000 I mean, the president's been the most popular politician in my home state for a decade.
00:47:35.000 He took over 30 Iowa counties that voted for Obama twice.
00:47:38.000 They have now turned around and voted for Trump thrice in my home state of Iowa.
00:47:42.000 And so when the tariffs began and our farmers' exports were getting tariffed back in retaliation, they were still in.
00:47:49.000 They understood the mission.
00:47:50.000 They understood the president was trying to make a long term paradigm shift economically that the country needed.
00:47:55.000 They believed in their guy.
00:47:56.000 He shares our values and everything else.
00:47:58.000 Well, now what's happened on the back end, though, is now they're paying these exorbitant diesel costs as well.
00:48:03.000 And they don't understand the mission in Iran.
00:48:05.000 They don't understand what we're doing it for.
00:48:06.000 They don't understand.
00:48:07.000 What a win would look like.
00:48:09.000 And so now they kind of feel like they're the most loyal voters he has, but they're getting squeezed on both ends.
00:48:13.000 Let's remind them of why they love the president in the first place.
00:48:17.000 And it's the cultural differences he represents compared to the Democrats that they have rejected, who still hold on to those very anti American cultural ideals. 0.64
00:48:28.000 If we hadn't done Iran, you would be cruising to midterm victory. 0.55
00:48:32.000 225 years. 0.97
00:48:32.000 Yeah, I mean, you'd be cruising. 0.97
00:48:34.000 You don't know that.
00:48:35.000 Any regrets?
00:48:36.000 No.
00:48:36.000 Supposing.
00:48:38.000 We were cruising, and all of a sudden, Iran has a nuclear weapon. 0.99
00:48:41.000 They would use it. 0.98
00:48:42.000 They're crazy.
00:48:43.000 Send us your questions, by the way, right now with Steve Dace.
00:48:45.000 What do you want to know from the great mind of Steve Dace?
00:48:48.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
00:48:50.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
00:48:52.000 All right, so Steve, we just saw that clip about President Trump and Laura Ingram talking about Iran.
00:48:57.000 You had brought it up before where she says, Hey, without Iran, we'd be cruising. 0.70
00:49:01.000 And it's hard to not think that way, candidly. 0.93
00:49:04.000 It does sort of feel like where things really got squirrely. 0.79
00:49:07.000 Yes, we had the Epstein stuff. 0.55
00:49:08.000 Yes, we had the Ford O strike. 0.86
00:49:10.000 But as soon as we went in on round two with Iran, it was almost like a psychic break with the base because, you know, no new wars.
00:49:17.000 President Trump got us into no new wars.
00:49:19.000 And here we are in this sort of quagmire situation in Iran gas prices, diesel prices.
00:49:24.000 I do want to say one thing diesel prices is also related to the Ukraine Russia conflict, okay?
00:49:30.000 So that's something we don't have nearly as much control over.
00:49:34.000 But you are in ground zero.
00:49:35.000 Iowa is literally ground zero.
00:49:37.000 It's also impacting Kansas, Ohio.
00:49:41.000 That diesel prices are too much. 0.99
00:49:43.000 But let's talk about Iran.
00:49:45.000 Is there a way to thread this needle with the base, or do you just pivot and don't talk about it at all?
00:49:49.000 Right now, I wouldn't talk about it at all.
00:49:51.000 I think for, you know, the two groups that won us this last election that Trump had the greatest growth with were Hispanic men and young men.
00:49:59.000 In all time, best finish with Hispanic men, and then the best finish with young men, maybe going back, certainly at least until since 2000, maybe even going back to the 1980s by some surveys you look at.
00:50:10.000 So that was generational as well.
00:50:13.000 And, and, I think that to them, to them, and I'm Gen X.
00:50:17.000 And so I remember when George Herbert Walker Bush said no new taxes and then did a tax increase. 0.93
00:50:22.000 This is like this to the Gen Z men, all right? 1.00
00:50:26.000 That we weren't going to do any more stupid wars. 1.00
00:50:28.000 And then, in their view, we're doing one. 0.99
00:50:30.000 So I wouldn't talk about it at all.
00:50:32.000 I wouldn't bring it up at all.
00:50:34.000 I keep having guests on my show and trying to find anybody, maybe you guys know somebody in our circles, who thinks that they would sacrifice these midterms given what Democrats will do and are capable of and already proven and demonstrated. 0.89
00:50:45.000 You do that for some long term victory in Iran. 0.62
00:50:48.000 I can't find anybody that says yes to that because nobody I know knows what that looks like.
00:50:52.000 I mean, so we topple the regime, but what takes place?
00:50:55.000 And I think the president, to his credit, in a way, is guilty of his own success here.
00:51:00.000 I go back to texting with Charlie in June of 25, the night of Operation Midnight Hammer, and he was concerned about this, you know, causing a spillover war.
00:51:08.000 And so, what we proved with the devastating precision, the president and his team, and Secretary Hegseth and everyone else there at the Pentagon proved that we could, if any centrifuges get above ground, we could go over there and mow the lawn in the dead of night, right?
00:51:23.000 And take out those weeds and move on with the rest of our lives and not have some kind of prolonged engagement.
00:51:28.000 And so, I think our people are also kind of confused as to why.
00:51:31.000 We already proved we can devastate their capabilities when and if we have demonstrations that they're acting on it.
00:51:37.000 So, why did it require all of this?
00:51:39.000 And that has not really been answered.
00:51:41.000 And there may, frankly, not be good answers right now that might not be good politically to give.
00:51:46.000 For example, let's say Iran had greatly increased.
00:51:49.000 We got into this conflict with them and we found out they had greatly increased their drone and missile capacity way beyond what our intel had indicated. 0.64
00:51:56.000 Remember, they had tested a medium range missile early on that had gotten further than anything that our public understanding of their capabilities.
00:52:03.000 Dictated that they had.
00:52:04.000 So maybe we got into this and found out that they were way more of a threat to the broader region than even we thought. 0.83
00:52:10.000 And this explains why the Israelis and the Sunni Arab countries are aligned with each other against Iran. 0.86
00:52:15.000 Well, that would make a lot of sense, except to people, a lot of the same people would think, so we're going to prioritize fighting a foreign war over fighting the war at home again.
00:52:23.000 And so even if that's true and a valid reason, it's a talking point that doesn't help you.
00:52:27.000 To me, the talking point that helps you is the cultural contrast between who the Democrats are and they're not even trying to hide it and what we represent and what the president has represented in the past.
00:52:38.000 I think that's the correct move.
00:52:39.000 I think we just can't talk.
00:52:42.000 There's just the way it broke out, Andrew.
00:52:44.000 You and I remember talking to us about it.
00:52:47.000 I just think there was a little bit of arrogance that they thought the Venezuela thing went great.
00:52:52.000 This would go great.
00:52:54.000 Everything's worked out.
00:52:55.000 The president has historically been lucky.
00:52:57.000 And so they didn't make that crucial step of selling an extremely skeptical public on the conflict.
00:53:03.000 And once they got in, it's been difficult to get out.
00:53:06.000 I think our best bet at this point is, as you say, Steve.
00:53:10.000 Focus on incredibly radical, nation damaging things that the left will do and try to minimize the degree that the war, the conflict is consuming people's thoughts.
00:53:22.000 And you do that by trying to get gas prices down.
00:53:24.000 You try to get trade routes flowing as well as possible so people aren't thinking, oh, there's something that in my life is being affected by this thing I didn't vote for.
00:53:34.000 But it's going to be tough no matter what.
00:53:36.000 Yeah, I mean, I think right now, if Washington were serious about solving this.
00:53:42.000 Problem in the short term, at least, they need to rally the troops, get everybody back in Washington, pass a moratorium on the national federal gas tax, which would lower gas prices by about 50 to 60 cents a gallon.
00:53:54.000 That would be huge. 1.00
00:53:55.000 Give us six months while you sort out Iran right now. 0.64
00:53:59.000 Listen, Blake and I privately, we took some flack for this because we didn't tuck tail immediately and turn our backs on President Trump.
00:54:07.000 We don't believe that's what Charlie would have done.
00:54:09.000 He's not here to defend himself, whatever.
00:54:12.000 We were left reacting and responding to the news.
00:54:15.000 But we didn't turn on President Trump. 0.88
00:54:17.000 But privately, we were lobbying for Iran not to happen. 0.94
00:54:20.000 We were worried about all the same things Charlie was worried about that this spilling over into sectarian violence, refugee crisis, that it would be a quagmire, it would be drawn out. 0.94
00:54:29.000 So we're calling on Washington get your butts back in gear, pass a moratorium. 0.94
00:54:33.000 If you're serious about winning the midterms, pass a moratorium on the gas tax. 0.92
00:54:37.000 Do it right now.
00:54:38.000 Get back to D.C. Tell people that you hear them, tell people that you understand that they're going through pain at the pump and that they can't afford their daily groceries.
00:54:46.000 That's what you need to be doing.
00:54:48.000 The fact that we're not serious about that is discouraging, candidly.
00:54:52.000 I mean, I don't care what vacations you got, I don't care what lobbying you got, I don't care what campaigning you got.
00:54:56.000 The best campaign measure you could do right now is to do that.
00:55:01.000 Let's see if anybody will respond to the call.
00:55:06.000 Answer the call.
00:55:07.000 It probably won't. 0.59
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00:56:24.000 Many of these cities saw an oversupply of new housing, multifamily housing, after and since the pandemic, but deportations.
00:56:33.000 Are a common factor in all of these markets where rent prices are dropping.
00:56:39.000 And since 2025, there have been more than 600,000 deportations and nearly 2 million self deportations.
00:56:46.000 So, how could something of that magnitude not have an impact?
00:56:51.000 Deportations, it's a huge, huge answer to many of the problems we're facing as a country.
00:56:56.000 And we're finally, for the first time in my lifetime, we're seeing actual progress when it comes to cleaning up that mess.
00:57:04.000 And I'm grateful to the administration.
00:57:06.000 Obviously, we want more.
00:57:08.000 But it's something.
00:57:08.000 All right.
00:57:09.000 Steve, I want to get into the cultural topics that you want to talk about.
00:57:14.000 And I want to talk about the immigration topic because I think that is one of the things we should be running on.
00:57:19.000 But first, we promised the audience that we're going to have a chance to ask you some questions, chime in on this conversation.
00:57:25.000 Blake, what are the emails saying?
00:57:27.000 Well, first of all, we have Lee who's emailed several times.
00:57:29.000 And he says that the University of Michigan national championship is suspicious.
00:57:34.000 He says something about the sign stealer guy.
00:57:37.000 I actually have no idea what that's about.
00:57:39.000 But apparently, people believe.
00:57:41.000 That title is disputed.
00:57:43.000 It is not legit.
00:57:44.000 Can you answer?
00:57:45.000 Can you defend yourself, Steve?
00:57:48.000 He wasn't accused of stealing signs.
00:57:51.000 He was accused of doing in person scouting because stealing signs is actually not against any NCAA rules.
00:57:56.000 So let's at least get the allegation correct.
00:57:59.000 But then we went on and won all the biggest games of the year after he was let go from the program and wasn't on the team.
00:58:05.000 So if that makes you feel better at night, cool.
00:58:08.000 I'm still going to enjoy all of my merch paraphernalia.
00:58:12.000 They're like the Joe Biden of college football.
00:58:14.000 Anyways, keep going.
00:58:16.000 Another one asks, Christy just asks, what would be the best way of laying out, you think, in an ad, in a pitch, that message of the talking point about whether you want to call it communism, radical socialism, wokeism?
00:58:30.000 What's the best presentation to make that case that, yeah, even if you don't want to say this out loud, but even if you're mad about things, you have to realize a very hostile anti American ideology is coming back the second Democrats have the ability to impose it?
00:58:46.000 Well, that question in particular.
00:58:49.000 That's exactly what I wanted to address when we come back because the inverse is also true.
00:58:53.000 If we're struggling to find people on our side who are like, hey, would you trade these midterms if it meant a long term victory in Iran?
00:59:00.000 Because no one really knows what that looks like or can define it.
00:59:03.000 Well, the inverse is true as well, which is, hey, would you trade higher gas prices for your daughters not being chest bound and your sons not being castrated? 0.97
00:59:13.000 Would you trade higher gas prices for your country no longer being overrun by foreigners as another migrant caravan makes its way to the border? 0.92
00:59:21.000 See, the question can be asked both ways. 1.00
00:59:24.000 And I think we need to be asking that question the other way.
00:59:26.000 The moral calculus here does not, or even the political calculus, does not just work one way, guys.
00:59:31.000 It works in the other direction as well, which is why, even though I was on your show seven months ago expressing a great amount of pessimism and skepticism about doing this as we were thinking of launching it, it's also why I'm every bit sitting here seven months later as eager to turn on our vote and to win because there is another calculus at work here, not just Iran, which is the alternative. 0.97
00:59:53.000 We know what they will do to our children. 0.95
00:59:56.000 We know what they will do to our borders. 0.95
00:59:57.000 We know that they're the party of Lindsey Clancy. 0.71
01:00:00.000 And I'll close my answer with this.
01:00:02.000 About a year ago, I spoke to the Conservative Legislative Caucus of Minnesota.
01:00:05.000 Yes, such a thing exists, in fact.
01:00:07.000 And I spoke at the banquet.
01:00:09.000 It was the most demoralized room I've ever been in in my life.
01:00:13.000 And they were all like, listen, what Tim Walz and Democrats did when they won one election year, they got full power one time.
01:00:20.000 They made us California in one legislative session.
01:00:23.000 We're never going to recover from that as a state, right?
01:00:25.000 We just simply cannot afford that to happen nationwide.
01:00:28.000 Corn Belt states like Iowa and Kansas, you don't want a Minnesota, you're Iowa, where I live.
01:00:33.000 You don't want a Minnesota, you're Ohio, right?
01:00:35.000 I think that calculus needs to be presented in the opposite direction, too.
01:00:39.000 Very strong, very strong.
01:00:40.000 And this is a question, maybe above our pay grade, but someone did ask Do you have an idea of how you would end the Iran war?
01:00:46.000 How would you go about it?
01:00:48.000 What do you think would be an acceptable way to conclude that?
01:00:51.000 Well, everyone's going to hate my answers to that one.
01:00:53.000 We're in a difficult spot now.
01:00:55.000 The time to end it was the thing that the vice president was criticized for the ceasefire before the 4th of July, as if he just did that unilaterally, whether the commander in chief is sign off.
01:01:05.000 But that was the time, that was our off ramp right there.
01:01:08.000 That was the off ramp.
01:01:09.000 That was the off ramp to say, and by the way, another thing if we find one centrifuge above ground, it's going to be Operation Phillips Screwdriver, Operation Crescent Wrench.
01:01:17.000 We'll mow the lawn every week if we have to and send a warning and then come home and focus on home.
01:01:22.000 But we missed that window. 0.82
01:01:23.000 And so now we're, if we're going to be honest with each other, just walking away right now, it's not so much what Iran and the regime there will think because we've killed over 100 of their high command. 0.58
01:01:34.000 It's, does it say to China, we're weak, so take Taiwan?
01:01:37.000 Does it say to Putin, we're weak, so nuke Ukraine?
01:01:40.000 That's what we have to be concerned about now. 0.93
01:01:42.000 And so there is an argument, and I don't disagree with the president here, that allowing the Iranians to make it look like they waited us out, they're down to their third string quarterback, basically, because we killed everybody else. 0.87
01:01:52.000 So they're down to their third string quarterback, and they waited out the great Satan because we were concerned about the midterms. 0.85
01:01:58.000 That could make us look weaker in ways we don't even want to contemplate globally right now.
01:02:03.000 So to me, just take the issue off the table.
01:02:06.000 The Iranians ought to be told the worst thing that could happen to you is if we lose these midterms, because then Trump's going to be really pissed.
01:02:11.000 And then he really won't care, and he'll never face the electorate ever again, and he might just wipe you completely off the map.
01:02:16.000 That's actually the messaging I would use to them. 0.90
01:02:18.000 I would message this separately to the American people take Iran off of the burner as much as you can between now and the first Tuesday in November, and make the broader cultural calculus we cannot elect an Islamist to the United States Senate out of my former home state of Michigan. 0.92
01:02:36.000 We cannot do that. 0.86
01:02:37.000 We cannot elect a guy who's a caricature of a 1920s heretical Unitarian pastor.
01:02:42.000 As the senator from the great state of Texas, we cannot do that.
01:02:45.000 There is nothing, there is no justification for making that moral decision as a people.
01:02:50.000 And I think we need to focus on that messaging right now and then let the Iran thing take care of itself after the midterms at this point.
01:02:57.000 Blake, any more emails?
01:02:59.000 I think that gets the stretch of it.
01:03:00.000 We have a lot of commentary.
01:03:01.000 A lot of people agree.
01:03:02.000 They point out electing Democrats means Green New Deal, means green stuff, which means high gas prices permanently.
01:03:09.000 They are no friends of the internal combustion engine, of course.
01:03:13.000 And so a lot of them very much agree with that.
01:03:16.000 And we did get.
01:03:16.000 I agree.
01:03:18.000 We got one email that basically said we all just need to shut up that Trump has won.
01:03:22.000 Two elections or three, however you want to say it, and we should trust him and stop complaining.
01:03:26.000 So, we did get that email as well.
01:03:28.000 Well, I mean, let me answer that email right there.
01:03:30.000 I mean, I was just in a meeting yesterday looking at some polling, and you know, in the state of Ohio, I don't know what it's at in Iowa right now, Steve.
01:03:37.000 Maybe you got that offhand, but you know, Trump, according to some polls, is upside down 22 points in Ohio.
01:03:44.000 Upside down 22 points.
01:03:46.000 Now, by contrast, JD Vance is upside down one point in Ohio.
01:03:50.000 He's actually the most popular candidate of any political party.
01:03:54.000 In Ohio.
01:03:55.000 Sherrod Brown's upside down, maybe like two or three points.
01:03:59.000 Fame is true in Iowa, by the way.
01:04:00.000 Maybe you've got to divide things up.
01:04:03.000 Yeah.
01:04:04.000 So the point is, you've got to send out JD in some of these places, and maybe, you know, Trump's going to Alabama.
01:04:09.000 You know, he's still very popular down there.
01:04:10.000 We just got to be real and honest about our current moment, right?
01:04:13.000 But you talked about this point, Steve, and I think it's really important.
01:04:16.000 I want to hone in on it is driving up the negatives of the bad guys.
01:04:20.000 Because these guys are bad guys.
01:04:21.000 They're just, they're our political opponents, but they're actually like villains in a comic book.
01:04:26.000 It's that bad.
01:04:26.000 I want to play this clip from Abdul El Sayed, Sade.
01:04:30.000 I go on the show.
01:04:31.000 You know why?
01:04:31.000 A, I want to give people the image of watching him get his f whooped on his own show by a guy who prays like I do.
01:04:37.000 With all due respect, if they go low, we don't go high. 0.88
01:04:40.000 We take them to the mud and choke them out. 0.98
01:04:42.000 First kid who stepped to me, I was like, I am going to beat you mercilessly as a message to everybody else. 0.97
01:04:48.000 Like, that's going to be the last fight you've ever had. 0.99
01:04:50.000 We should bash the f out of Trump because he's a terrible human being who does awful things, who's exploited a lot of pain in a lot of people. 0.99
01:04:56.000 That's just a taste. 1.00
01:04:57.000 Here you go. 0.63
01:04:58.000 Here's another one of El Sayed, Sat 10.
01:05:01.000 Do you really want to have this conversation? 0.83
01:05:02.000 Are you circumcised?
01:05:04.000 Yeah, but I mean, that's a personal question.
01:05:07.000 Okay.
01:05:08.000 Doctor, you probably should want to move on.
01:05:10.000 You probably should want to move on.
01:05:11.000 I was buying Gatorade or something, and I bring it to the teller to pay for it.
01:05:17.000 And he says, Oh, you know, are you Muslim?
01:05:18.000 I said, Yeah.
01:05:19.000 He said, Well, your beard is too short.
01:05:21.000 I was like, Okay, you're going to judge me?
01:05:23.000 Okay, give me a second.
01:05:23.000 I forgot something.
01:05:24.000 So I walk back, I get a fifth of vodka, and I put it on the counter.
01:05:29.000 He's like, you can't buy that.
01:05:30.000 I was like, you're right.
01:05:31.000 And you can't sell it.
01:05:32.000 So I smashed it on the ground and walked out.
01:05:34.000 All right. 0.98
01:05:34.000 So this is, I call the three E's. 0.98
01:05:38.000 There's driving up the negatives here because what we're facing is existential.
01:05:42.000 I truly believe that, especially heading into 2028.
01:05:44.000 You got the 2030 census coming up.
01:05:46.000 I mean, this could be the whole shebang here.
01:05:50.000 Okay. 1.00
01:05:50.000 But it's the trannies, the commies, and the jihadis. 1.00
01:05:54.000 I might come off rough to some of you, but that's really what it is. 1.00
01:05:57.000 Steve Dace, your thoughts.
01:05:59.000 I mean, that'll preach.
01:06:01.000 As they say down south right there on the Southern Baptist pulpit, that'll preach right there.
01:06:05.000 That's exactly right.
01:06:06.000 I mean, this is existential.
01:06:08.000 The generational game is being decided right now over the course of the next four years.
01:06:14.000 And so we have to think like that.
01:06:17.000 We have to be prepared for the moment we're actually in, not the one we're prepared for or we prefer or we want, but the moment we're actually in. 0.99
01:06:26.000 And I mean, this guy, Al Said, represents a religion that circumcises girls. 0.99
01:06:31.000 And so, this is just as Charlie would say, it's just not compatible with Western civilization. 1.00
01:06:37.000 And that's the case that needs to be made.
01:06:39.000 The state of Michigan knows this.
01:06:42.000 That's why Mike Rogers even has a real chance there.
01:06:44.000 They know this, right?
01:06:46.000 So, all you need to do is close the sale with what they already know that has made that race competitive, singularly competitive.
01:06:53.000 Michigan has been singularly, pardon me, singularly competitive this entire cycle, despite the macro environment being against us.
01:07:01.000 Why?
01:07:02.000 Because they've been living with this as a state for the entirety of the Gretchen Whitmer era.
01:07:06.000 There's nowhere you can go in the state that you don't smell the smell of degeneracy.
01:07:10.000 There's ISIS flags flying in Dearborn.
01:07:12.000 They know.
01:07:13.000 They've watched a gorgeous Midwestern state become California with winner under this iteration of the Democratic Party.
01:07:20.000 So they're open to be sold despite the macro environment against us.
01:07:23.000 Let's try to shape the rest of the environment similar to what it is in Michigan.
01:07:27.000 And we have the ammunition to do that. 0.93
01:07:29.000 Yeah, I mean, Michigan's an uphill climb, but I want everybody to remember that El Sayed is not polling well with blacks in Detroit. 0.58
01:07:38.000 Obviously, he's going to get that Muslim Dearborn vote. 1.00
01:07:40.000 I think that's a foregone conclusion. 0.99
01:07:42.000 But it is a real possibility that blacks in Detroit could go our way in major ways. 0.99
01:07:48.000 Steve, if you had one message, we got this email from a listener. 1.00
01:07:55.000 Phyllis says that if we lose both the House and the Senate, we should look in the mirror because of the influence of this show and of the platform.
01:08:04.000 Listen, I will always look in the mirror and own what I could do better and what we could improve upon.
01:08:10.000 But I kind of liken it to what we do at Chase the Vote.
01:08:13.000 And by the way, you should get involved.
01:08:15.000 We are solution oriented.
01:08:16.000 Go to tpaction.comslash 100.
01:08:18.000 Go chase some ballots.
01:08:20.000 Volunteer to chase some ballots.
01:08:21.000 We'll give you 100 names, and that is your to do for the entire election.
01:08:25.000 We get 1,000 of you to do that.
01:08:26.000 Can make a huge difference in Arizona, Nevada, New Hampshire.
01:08:30.000 And we are solution oriented.
01:08:32.000 And I do look in the mirror.
01:08:33.000 But we have to be honest about the fact that there is an Iran war that is largely unpopular.
01:08:39.000 Gas prices are unpopular.
01:08:41.000 It doesn't mean that it wouldn't have necessarily even been the right geopolitical decision to make, that maybe that was the right call.
01:08:47.000 And we'll look back and history will look back and say Trump made the right decision and it was worth it as a country to suffer through a short period of gas prices for long term geopolitical gains.
01:08:58.000 But what is your message right now?
01:09:00.000 To people, let's talk to young men.
01:09:02.000 Let's talk to Hispanic men.
01:09:04.000 What is the message right now, Steve Days?
01:09:07.000 I think the message is that the deportation agenda, the immigration agenda that you voted for, is being executed.
01:09:16.000 And it might get executed if Democrats win the midterms.
01:09:20.000 And that's the ground that we've made on every single other front, other than whatever we all think about this war, is all at risk.
01:09:28.000 But furthermore, it's possible that the next two years, the last two years of the Trump presidency, Become stillborn because all Democrats are doing is bogging the country down.
01:09:39.000 Impeachment of not just Trump, Hegsteth, Rubio, pick anybody in the RFK Jr., they're all getting impeached.
01:09:45.000 That much of what we voted for in 2024, the answer to I don't think we've made enough progress or I don't like where our focus is after 2024, is to not just essentially hand over the last two years of the Trump presidency to the Democratic Party. 0.96
01:09:58.000 That's dumb. 0.99
01:09:59.000 That's cutting off your nose despite your face. 1.00
01:10:01.000 That would be my message. 0.98
01:10:02.000 So let's take another.
01:10:05.000 Issue that's cropped up a lot.
01:10:06.000 We've talked about bad vibes, negativity.
01:10:09.000 A lot of that has come not just from the public, it's 100% been fueled by various podcasters who've come out and they love to say, You've been betrayed.
01:10:20.000 They love to say, This administration is finished.
01:10:23.000 It's achieved nothing. 0.99
01:10:25.000 It's controlled by Israel. 0.92
01:10:26.000 They have a lot of different lines they like to push. 0.85
01:10:30.000 What should our attitude on that be?
01:10:32.000 What should our messaging on that be towards the many different personalities who seem to Always be most energetic about embracing the negative, and they almost seem very willful about rejecting any positive news.
01:10:45.000 Well, I love the vice president's line, which is despair is a sin.
01:10:49.000 So, you know, you guys operate in this sphere.
01:10:52.000 I do on my show as well.
01:10:54.000 And that's the biblical worldview, you know, faith first sphere.
01:10:57.000 Despair is a sin.
01:10:58.000 So, anytime you hear a voice, what's the difference between despair and conviction?
01:11:03.000 Despair will challenge you to stay down.
01:11:06.000 You can't do better.
01:11:07.000 You can't improve.
01:11:08.000 You deserve it.
01:11:08.000 You earned it.
01:11:09.000 You fell for it.
01:11:11.000 You slipped on the banana peel.
01:11:12.000 Stay down.
01:11:13.000 Take the L. All right.
01:11:14.000 Conviction is you know better than that.
01:11:16.000 You can do better than that.
01:11:18.000 And so you are compelled to now want to do better than that.
01:11:21.000 What they're selling is despair.
01:11:23.000 There's no conviction there, there's nothing real there.
01:11:25.000 It's completely nihilistic.
01:11:27.000 Following those marching orders gets you nowhere except into further and more darkness.
01:11:31.000 The question is what's your alternative?
01:11:33.000 What are you going to do about something?
01:11:35.000 Faith without works is dead.
01:11:36.000 Why do you call me Lord if you do not do what I say?
01:11:39.000 Ultimately, it is what we do that defines us because we do what we believe out of the heart, the mouth speaks.
01:11:47.000 So, if you're listening to voices that take you further away from Christ, further away from doing the right thing, further into the darkness, turn those voices off.
01:11:55.000 If you're hearing a message that might convict you, that might challenge you, but it also encourages you to do better and inspires you to stand up all the more, those are the kinds of messages that you want to be making sure you're following.
01:12:07.000 I want to sort of end here.
01:12:09.000 We've got about three minutes left, Steve.
01:12:10.000 I want to end here on some positives.
01:12:13.000 I actually think that the most likely outcome here is that we lose the House, but we get about 50, 51 seats in the Senate.
01:12:20.000 All right.
01:12:20.000 That is not a doomsday scenario.
01:12:22.000 That's actually pretty darn good.
01:12:24.000 And I believe we got a real chance in Minnesota.
01:12:27.000 I think we got a real chance in Michigan, although I think it's an uphill climb in Michigan.
01:12:32.000 We got to hold the Midwestern states.
01:12:34.000 Iowa, for example, is a big deal, Steve.
01:12:36.000 We expect you to deliver for Iowa, my friend.
01:12:39.000 But, you know, Maine's looking solid.
01:12:41.000 I'm feeling bullish about Texas.
01:12:43.000 I think Ohio's a problem.
01:12:45.000 But here's the deal we have a real reason to believe that Republicans are getting undercounted.
01:12:52.000 In some of this polling, by as many as five to seven points, according to some estimates.
01:12:56.000 All right, five to seven points.
01:12:57.000 If you're undercounting Republicans, what's the last time, Steve, you, Mr. Poll Watcher, or at least you used to be, what's the last time we saw a poll oversample Republicans?
01:13:06.000 It doesn't happen.
01:13:07.000 Yeah, these are, all right.
01:13:07.000 It's like the community chess card in Monopoly, a bank error in your favor.
01:13:11.000 That never happens in polling for us.
01:13:12.000 No, never.
01:13:13.000 No, no, exactly.
01:13:14.000 Yeah, we never get bank errors in our favor.
01:13:16.000 We never get polling errors in our favor.
01:13:18.000 So I just want everybody to be suspicious of the polling.
01:13:22.000 I think economic anxieties for the larger.
01:13:26.000 Population are over exaggerated.
01:13:27.000 I think for young Americans, it's completely true. 0.97
01:13:30.000 I've talked to them, I know it's true.
01:13:32.000 But here's the truth about midterms it's a base turnout election.
01:13:36.000 We need to keep driving up the negatives of these crazy people on the left and what they're going to usher in if they are given power.
01:13:43.000 And we need to remind people that this is short term pain at the pump.
01:13:46.000 It will turn around.
01:13:47.000 The underlying economic foundations of this economy are great, they're phenomenal.
01:13:52.000 We're getting investments in restaurants and factories and manufacturing.
01:13:56.000 Native born workers, wages rising faster than inflation, DEI is getting dealt with. 1.00
01:14:01.000 We're dealing with OPT visas and these diploma mills. 1.00
01:14:06.000 A lot of great things. 1.00
01:14:07.000 Fraud's getting rolled back.
01:14:08.000 A lot of great things are happening here, okay?
01:14:10.000 So I think the truth with midterms is it's base turnout.
01:14:15.000 Young people don't vote as much. 0.99
01:14:16.000 I will vouch for the fact that young people are discouraged.
01:14:18.000 But the normies, I think that's over exaggerated.
01:14:21.000 David Marcus is on the ground in Minnesota and Michigan.
01:14:23.000 He's telling me straight up, he thinks it's over exaggerated.
01:14:27.000 So there is reason to be hopeful.
01:14:28.000 It's about who shows up.
01:14:30.000 Blake and then Steve, final words for the hour.
01:14:34.000 It's all about what Charlie loved that line about, you know, summertime patriots and winter soldiers.
01:14:40.000 That when you look around, it's difficult in so many ways, but it's so difficult because so many people embrace defeatism.
01:14:49.000 They love feeling down.
01:14:51.000 And when everyone loves to feel down, one of our great challenges is to be upbeat and cheerful.
01:14:57.000 And you saw in the opening of the show today, Andrew, there's so many things to be cheerful about.
01:15:02.000 We have a duty, among other things, to be happy, to be going out and bragging about the amazing things that we've done for this country because there are so many of those, and there will be so many more if we don't become a bunch of whiners.
01:15:16.000 I think it's just very simple. 0.57
01:15:18.000 The Democratic Party is a demonic construct.
01:15:21.000 You can't just sit here and let them win. 0.89
01:15:22.000 I think it's immoral, unbiblical, and un American. 0.97
01:15:25.000 Period. 1.00
01:15:25.000 End of sentence. 1.00
01:15:26.000 Amen.
01:15:27.000 Totally agree.
01:15:28.000 Democrats have disqualified themselves.
01:15:30.000 Their ideas will destroy this country.
01:15:32.000 We cannot let them within an inch of real power.
01:15:36.000 We have to do everything we can.
01:15:38.000 Thank you, Steve Dace.
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