The Charlie Kirk Show - "Bitcoin Jesus" Vs. The Biden Admin

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00:01:36.000 Very interesting guest here.

00:01:38.000 Joining us now is Tracy Thurman and also Roger Veer, who will not be talking, which is very interesting.

00:01:44.000 Tracy and Roger are with us.

00:01:46.000 This is all in the context of President Trump appointing friend of the show and friend of mine, really great American David Sachs as AI and crypto czar.

00:01:53.000 For those that don't know Roger, you can check out his website at freerogernow.com.

00:01:59.000 That's freerogernow.com.

00:02:01.000 I'm sorry,.org.

00:02:02.000 freerogernow.org.

00:02:03.000 Andrew, can you help introduce this before we throw it to Tracy and Roger?

00:02:06.000 Yeah, so Roger Ver, and they'll have a chance to tell their whole story, is one of the pioneers of the crypto space.

00:02:14.000 One of the earliest investors in Bitcoin, then came out with Bitcoin Cash.

00:02:20.000 Really a pioneer in a space that is going to define the future in a lot of ways.

00:02:24.000 And so I think he's a national treasure.

00:02:28.000 There's some controversy, obviously, surrounding his backstory.

00:02:31.000 But a lot of people feel Roger's getting unfairly targeted.

00:02:35.000 He's under investigation.

00:02:37.000 They're trying to extradite him from Spain, I believe.

00:02:39.000 He can clarify me if I'm wrong, or Tracy can.

00:02:44.000 But essentially, the IRS has been on him.

00:02:47.000 He's got a long history of saying, you know, please pay all my taxes.

00:02:51.000 Lawyers and accountants had to flee the country.

00:02:54.000 And so it's a cautionary tale about when our government gets really aggressive, the IRS specifically.

00:03:01.000 And so I'm excited to get into the deal.

00:03:04.000 Let's see if they can win me over to advocate him for a pardon.

00:03:07.000 There we go.

00:03:08.000 All right.

00:03:08.000 With all that buildup, we have Tracy Thurman and Roger Veard.

00:03:11.000 Welcome, Tracy.

00:03:12.000 Walk us through all of this here, and thanks for taking the time.

00:03:15.000 Charlie and Andrew, it's such a pleasure to join you guys.

00:03:17.000 Yes, I'm here with Roger, my friend, who is facing 109 years in prison for attempting to pay his taxes properly.

00:03:26.000 As you can see, he cannot speak today.

00:03:30.000 Anything he says can and will be used against him.

00:03:33.000 And it's just simply too big a risk that the IRS will use anything that comes out of his mouth.

00:03:38.000 The DOJ will use anything that comes out of his mouth against him.

00:03:40.000 So I'm here today and I want to tell you, I want to answer your questions in the way that I believe Roger would answer them if he could speak freely today.

00:03:48.000 Okay, well then walk us through the history here.

00:03:50.000 So yeah, sorry, I know that you guys are overseas.

00:03:52.000 Who is Roger?

00:03:53.000 What is he accused of?

00:03:54.000 And is there political bias against him because of his, let's just say his passion for cryptocurrency?

00:04:02.000 Yes, there's absolutely a bias against Roger.

00:04:04.000 This really goes back 24 years when Roger faced charges after he criticized the IRS and the ATF. He criticized the ATF for what they had done in Waco, Texas, and the ATF became...

00:04:19.000 with targeting him personally.

00:04:21.000 And so they played the game of, you know, "Find me the man, I'll show you the crime." And he faced charges for selling fireworks on eBay, a thing which hundreds of people were doing.

00:04:31.000 Cabela's catalog was selling them.

00:04:33.000 And yet they chose to go after one man and one man only at that time for selling these.

00:04:38.000 And that was Roger.

00:04:40.000 So he actually served time in federal prison for that, again, at a time when nobody else selling these was being bothered at all.

00:04:46.000 And then, so when he got out of prison, it was clear to him that he was a target of the U.S. government.

00:04:52.000 The ATF, by the way, in a meeting with his attorneys and with the prosecutor went as far as to say, When the prosecutor was saying, you know, maybe we should just give him a fine, just tell him to go get a license to sell these things, said, but you didn't hear what he said about us.

00:05:06.000 So this was clearly a case motivated by...

00:05:13.000 Hatred for what he had said about them.

00:05:15.000 So the minute that Roger could leave this country, he did.

00:05:18.000 And in 2006, he moved to Japan.

00:05:21.000 And as soon as he could, he gave up his U.S. citizenship and got citizenship in St. Kitts and Nevis because he needed somewhere else to belong and did not feel safe being an American any longer, which as an American is horrible to me, right?

00:05:33.000 We should be proud of our country.

00:05:35.000 We should keep our best and our brightest.

00:05:37.000 We shouldn't be chasing them out.

00:05:39.000 And so at that time, he had to, when he renounced her U.S. citizenship, there's something called the exit tax, which is this unconstitutional tax that you have to pay upon leaving if you're worth over $2 million.

00:05:52.000 And Roger did his utmost to fully comply with that.

00:05:55.000 There's a motion to dismiss that you can find on freerogernow.org, which lays it all out and shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did everything he possibly could to comply.

00:06:04.000 And yet the U.S. government has been going scorched earth against him since that time, attempting to take him down.

00:06:10.000 And why are they doing that?

00:06:12.000 Well, Roger's been one of the biggest critics of the U.S. government's, you know, many of their programs.

00:06:17.000 He has been funding the anti-war movement.

00:06:19.000 He's been funding the anti-lockdown movement.

00:06:21.000 He's been funding the medical freedom movement.

00:06:23.000 He's been funding the anti-censorship movement.

00:06:26.000 And he's been one of the biggest voices behind crypto, behind decentralized finance, behind permissionless peer-to-peer exchange of value.

00:06:34.000 And that is a threat to the deep state.

00:06:37.000 And that's why they're after Roger.

00:06:38.000 You know, this is a pattern.

00:06:40.000 We saw a similar type of lawfare against Ross Ulbricht, who definitely did some things wrong, but does not believe, you know, deserve two life sentences for that, for a similar type of cryptocurrency-related pioneering.

00:06:55.000 Tracy, can you explain that a little bit more, that people that get into cryptography, that get into some of these alternative ways of disrupting The antiquated currency model and in new technology seem to be recipients very forcefully from the federal government and the traditional banking system.

00:07:14.000 There is no greater threat to the traditional banking system than permissionless, peer-to-peer, decentralized exchange between individuals.

00:07:22.000 There's simply no greater threat.

00:07:23.000 And so if you are a person who supports that, if you're a person who pioneers that, if you are one of the people who enables that, you have a target on your back.

00:07:31.000 There's absolutely no question.

00:07:33.000 And few people did that more than Roger did.

00:07:36.000 He was the earliest investor in the cryptocurrency space, the earliest investor in Bitcoin, promoted it at a level that nobody else did.

00:07:45.000 Early on, he'd go into a coffee shop and get coffee and then offer to pay in Bitcoin.

00:07:51.000 Or he would just walk up to people on the street and say, hey, let me help you set up a Bitcoin wallet.

00:07:55.000 Let me tell you how Bitcoin works.

00:07:57.000 Let me help you with this.

00:07:58.000 And of course, the people who accepted that from him have done very well for themselves.

00:08:01.000 If you started taking, you know, if you got $10 worth of We're good to go.

00:08:21.000 Outside of the control of the coming CBDC system.

00:08:23.000 And in a world where people are being debanked, where people are being deprogrammed, where people are being censored, the most powerful thing we have is permissionless finance.

00:08:32.000 It's Bitcoin.

00:08:33.000 It's Bitcoin Cash.

00:08:34.000 It's all of these cryptocurrencies.

00:08:36.000 And so anybody who has promoted these and has promoted them to the world is a massive threat.

00:08:41.000 Andrew, you have a follow-up here.

00:08:42.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I'm just looking at this, Tracy, and seeing the way that the world has shifted.

00:08:47.000 I mean, obviously, I remember back to President Trump speaking at the Libertarian Conference.

00:08:52.000 One of the biggest applause lines that he got was when he said, we're going to set up A Bitcoin reserve at the federal government.

00:09:01.000 He was going to create a hub here in the United States to become a hub of innovation, pioneering when it came to blockchain and crypto.

00:09:10.000 And so it feels almost like, you know, You were caught in a moment of time when this technology was so new and it was this emergent threat, and they thought that they could stomp out one of the innovators behind that.

00:09:24.000 But it has grown so tremendously in the years that have followed.

00:09:29.000 Are you guys watching this from abroad and seeing the changing climate?

00:09:33.000 And you have to be feeling somewhat optimistic about the future is shaping up.

00:09:39.000 It's beautiful to see the way that crypto is being embraced by more and more people.

00:09:45.000 And honestly, I think that's due in large part to the lawfare that so many people in the incoming administration have personally faced.

00:09:52.000 Look at what Donald Trump has faced himself.

00:09:56.000 Look at the evaluation of Mar-a-Lago case.

00:09:58.000 Look at the New York cases.

00:09:59.000 Look at the DC cases.

00:10:01.000 All of them are just outrageous, clear targeting of a man that the deep state does not like.

00:10:07.000 And anyone who has been through that, we know Melania was debanked after the election in 2020. She revealed that she and possibly even Barron were denied bank accounts at that time, and their bank accounts were closed.

00:10:22.000 And so people in this administration have a sensitivity to this and an awareness of this issue that has never been present in the executive branch before.

00:10:31.000 And that's very exciting for those of us who are fighting this tyranny, because we feel like maybe for the very first time we have people in a decision making role who will understand and appreciate this problem.

00:10:44.000 And maybe we truly hope we'll step up and not just pardon Ross on day one, but pardon Roger as well, or possibly the incoming DOJ will recognize what an atrocious case this is and dismiss the charges entirely.

00:10:58.000 We'll see you next time.

00:10:59.000 Bye. you Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:12:01.000 It is freerogernow.org.

00:12:04.000 Both work, actually.

00:12:05.000 Oh, good.

00:12:06.000 Fair enough.

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00:12:08.000 I don't know.

00:12:08.000 I'm sorry.

00:12:10.000 freerogernow.org.

00:12:12.000 So, Tracy, I want to ask here, so the president could unilaterally pardon Roger or get these cases to be reassigned?

00:12:22.000 And again, just remind our audience, what exactly is the accusation here that he didn't pay his taxes?

00:12:28.000 It sounds bizarre.

00:12:30.000 Yeah, the accusation is tax evasion, and as soon as you start to look into it, you realize it's utterly ludicrous.

00:12:37.000 He's accused of not paying enough on the exit taxes in 2014, and then he's accused of not paying enough in 2017. In 2017, it's bizarre, right?

00:12:47.000 Because by that point, he wasn't a U.S. citizen.

00:12:50.000 So why on earth would he need to have paid those taxes?

00:12:53.000 And in 2014, it gets a little complicated, but to break it down really quickly...

00:12:59.000 When you exit the country and you give up your citizenship, you have to do something called a constructive hypothetical sale, which is that you pretend you sell everything you own in one day, the day before you leave.

00:13:12.000 And the reality was that Roger owned such a huge percentage of the Bitcoins in the world at that time that if he had tried to sell them, the trading volume was, I think, $10 million.

00:13:20.000 And so anything you sold over $10 million was utterly worthless.

00:13:24.000 And so if the government's rule is, if you sold everything in one day, how much would it be worth?

00:13:30.000 The answer is, anything over the global market cap for that asset is worth nothing.

00:13:36.000 If everybody in the entire U.S. decided to sell their house tomorrow, would you get Zillow value?

00:13:41.000 I think all of us know the answer to that question.

00:13:43.000 So they essentially want Zillow value for everybody's home if everybody sold on the same day.

00:13:48.000 That's what they're asking for out of Roger.

00:13:50.000 So it makes no sense.

00:13:52.000 But what it came down to is that Roger consulted the best tax accountants, the best lawyers in the entire country, hired the best possible team, and he told them, look, I know the IRS doesn't like me.

00:14:04.000 I know I'm going to be audited.

00:14:05.000 I know they will attempt to come after me.

00:14:07.000 I need you to do this perfectly.

00:14:09.000 I need there to be no mistakes.

00:14:10.000 I need every T cross. 1.00

00:14:12.000 I need every I dotted.

00:14:13.000 And that's all in the emails that he sent to the accountant.

00:14:17.000 So we know that he wanted perfect compliance.

00:14:20.000 And how do we know that?

00:14:21.000 We know that because in 2017, they raided his attorney's office.

00:14:25.000 Armed federal agents raided his attorneys, interrogated his attorneys, seized reams of documents from his attorneys and attempted to use them against Roger.

00:14:35.000 And this should terrify every American because they're attempting to destroy attorney-client privilege using this case.

00:14:42.000 If what you say to your attorney is no longer private, what chance do you have?

00:14:47.000 What chance do I have?

00:14:49.000 So this case should be horrifying to every American because it's about destroying your attorney-client privilege and it's about destroying your right to rely on your accountant, your right to rely on your attorney when it comes to the U.S. tax code that 70,000 pages of which none of us can possibly memorize.

00:15:06.000 And so if they do this to Roger, they're coming for the rest of us next.

00:15:11.000 It's terrifying.

00:15:12.000 But yes, the president can unilaterally decide to pardon Roger.

00:15:18.000 The incoming DOJ could decide to drop the charges.

00:15:22.000 And we fervently hope that one of those two things will happen because this lawfare needs to end.

00:15:28.000 The incoming government needs to say, we've been the victims of lawfare.

00:15:32.000 We need to look at everyone else who's been a victim of lawfare.

00:15:34.000 And this needs to stop.

00:15:35.000 Otherwise, our country has no chance.

00:15:37.000 We as Americans have no shot unless this stops, and it stops now.

00:15:42.000 I totally agree.

00:15:43.000 And you have convinced me, so you could add me to whatever list you want.

00:15:46.000 We're going to send out a tweet trying to say that we want to see President Trump get rid of the lawfare here, as he was once victim of one.

00:15:55.000 So a pardon, lifting of charges, whatever it takes, it's time for a clean slate and to free Roger.

00:16:00.000 Well, and to that point, Charlie, I mean, Roger, I know you can't talk right now because what you say could be used against you.

00:16:06.000 He's got a great poker face.

00:16:07.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:16:08.000 I applaud you for showing up, nonetheless.

00:16:11.000 And I would just say, as a country that is now poised to become the center of the crypto universe, you know, we're gonna need a lot of things.

00:16:19.000 We're gonna need more energy.

00:16:20.000 We're gonna need more power.

00:16:21.000 We're gonna need more data centers.

00:16:22.000 We're gonna need more innovators.

00:16:24.000 And we want to be a hub that invites and welcomes and celebrates our pioneers and our innovators instead of harassing them and driving them away.

00:16:33.000 And to the extent that Charlie and I and the show could be a platform and a voice for that, I think we're happy to do it.

00:16:39.000 So very convincing.

00:16:41.000 Tracy, thank you.

00:16:42.000 You won me over.

00:16:43.000 And for whatever that's worth, we'll be pushing any way we can.

00:16:46.000 Thank you guys so much.

00:16:47.000 Hope to meet you as a free citizen, Roger.

00:16:49.000 Thank you.

00:16:50.000 We can't wait till Roger can come back on.

00:16:52.000 And trust me, the minute he can talk, he would love to come back on and talk with you guys again.

00:16:57.000 So again, everyone, please sign the open letter at freerogernow.org requesting a pardon from the incoming president.

00:17:03.000 And Charlie, Andrew, thank you so much for supporting this.

00:17:06.000 You have no idea what it means to us.

00:17:08.000 We are 100% behind it.

00:17:10.000 You won us over.

00:17:10.000 Thank you.

00:17:13.000 Joining us now is one of our favorite guests, Ryan James Gerduski.

00:17:17.000 Ryan, welcome back to the program.

00:17:18.000 Lots to discuss here.

00:17:19.000 We're going to cover a bunch of topics and kind of go all over the place.

00:17:22.000 First, Ryan, your opinion on the current status of Hegseth and what is going on right now with Donald Trump's cabinet appointees.

00:17:30.000 You know, I think that Pete is probably the only one who's on the cusp.

00:17:35.000 I think that the pressure campaign against Joni Ernst may be effective.

00:17:41.000 But he is the one that I think is probably the most problematic.

00:17:44.000 Maybe Cash Patel is going to have a little bit of a tough time.

00:17:46.000 RFK Jr. has to answer for a lot of questions.

00:17:49.000 For everything that RFK Jr. has said that makes a lot of sense, he has said some things that are very, very strange.

00:17:54.000 I think the rest of them, honestly, though, are pretty good.

00:17:57.000 And aside from Pete, the other ones are...

00:18:00.000 More likely than not.

00:18:01.000 So what do you have to make about some of the Senate Republicans that are fighting Hegseth, despite being from very deep red states?

00:18:12.000 You know, listen, I think that a point of a Senate confirmation is to ask tough questions.

00:18:18.000 I think it's very important to do that.

00:18:21.000 Had Republicans not asked tough questions, Harriet Meyer would have been on the Supreme Court. 1.00

00:18:25.000 So it's not a bad thing to ask him tough questions and to sit there and have your own conscience of your vote.

00:18:31.000 But the point of a cabinet secretary is not that they are confirming, you know, their own cabinet secretary to believe their ideas and their policies.

00:18:38.000 It's to say, are you qualified for the job?

00:18:41.000 And then it's Donald Trump's decision, just like it was Obama's, just like it was Joe Biden's, just like it was, you know, George W. Bush's.

00:18:47.000 So the litmus test shouldn't be, does this person have my shared ideology?

00:18:52.000 It's can this person do the job?

00:18:54.000 Which is a very, very important, you know, question.

00:18:57.000 And, you know, it raises some concerns over some other nominees.

00:19:01.000 But I don't think that that's what they're questioning Pete over.

00:19:06.000 I don't think the question over Pete is whether or not he can do the job.

00:19:09.000 I think a lot of it is a lot of questions into his personal life that have really nothing to do with the position.

00:19:17.000 And the blackmail and the smear campaign is really to embarrass him more than to ask if he's qualified.

00:19:25.000 So Ryan, shifting gears here, you have a very interesting news story.

00:19:29.000 Andrew, why don't you tee it up here?

00:19:30.000 Yeah, I mean, we were talking about that as we were prepping for this, and you just actually on your Nationals Populous newsletter, it's your Substack.

00:19:38.000 Everybody check it out at natpop.substack.com.

00:19:42.000 You have a new piece out here, and I found it extraordinarily fascinating.

00:19:46.000 You actually have been diving into birth rates, and you mentioned that there was a little bit of an upturn, a little bit of a mini baby boom in the last year.

00:19:56.000 What did you find there, Ryan?

00:19:59.000 Right, so the CDC posts monthly updates on CDC Wonder, and that's the Centers for Disease Control, obviously.

00:20:05.000 And the birth rate of the United States went up slightly this year by half of a percentage, which is a decent amount for a single year.

00:20:12.000 But it didn't come from Americans.

00:20:14.000 It came from people, mothers who were not born in America. 0.96

00:20:18.000 One in four people, one in four births in 2024 were by women who were not from America.

00:20:24.000 Particularly a large increase in Came from people on the NCHV parole program that Joe Biden did.

00:20:36.000 So it's people from Nicaragua, Haiti, Cuba, and Venezuela.

00:20:41.000 Venezuelans specifically have a 55% higher birth rate than they were last year.

00:20:47.000 Part of that is because there's more of them, but part of it is because they're on this two-year program that Joe Biden made up on his own that does not give them refugee status.

00:20:55.000 It just allows them to apply for asylum while they're here, and then they have to go home if they fail to get it.

00:21:03.000 Well, if you fail to get it, as most of them probably will, because they're probably not legitimate asylees, what better way to stay in the country than have an anchor baby? 1.00

00:21:11.000 And really, birthright citizenship, as Donald Trump is becoming president and people saw This election could go either which way.

00:21:18.000 A number of women either came across the border, illegal aliens came across the border pregnant in their ninth month, or they got pregnant while they were here for the purpose of delaying any possibility of deportation or making it much harder to separate families or use whatever case that was.

00:21:33.000 So really, the baby boom was a big part of the baby boom came from our anchor baby system and our birthright citizenship, which the Supreme Court, by the way, has never ruled that illegal aliens have the right to birthright citizenship.

00:21:48.000 That's been the way we've worked it.

00:21:50.000 That's the way we've been carrying it out.

00:21:52.000 But the Supreme Court has never actually ruled that illegal aliens have that right.

00:21:55.000 I want to emphasize that.

00:21:57.000 That is so baked into the consciousness of what we think is...

00:22:03.000 We think our law, but it's actually not.

00:22:05.000 How did it originate?

00:22:06.000 And is it time to bring that up for a declarative Supreme Court decision?

00:22:11.000 Would we win?

00:22:12.000 I'm not even sure we'd win with this court, Ryan, because people so believe that it's the 14th Amendment, right?

00:22:17.000 14th Amendment.

00:22:19.000 By the way, the 14th Amendment has some wonderful parts of it.

00:22:22.000 It also has stuff about like debt ceiling.

00:22:24.000 It is the most expansive.

00:22:26.000 No, it does.

00:22:27.000 It has like six or seven clauses that are not just about the abolition of slavery.

00:22:32.000 Ryan and I actually were talking about this when we were discussing this segment, how literally the 14th Amendment is used.

00:22:39.000 The catch-all.

00:22:40.000 It's a catch-all.

00:22:41.000 And it's used for a myriad of societal ills, for bad judgments up and down the aisle.

00:22:47.000 And this one, I think, Ryan, maybe you know the history better than I do, but basically it was like an 1890s case or something.

00:22:54.000 1899, I think, yeah.

00:22:55.000 Yeah.

00:22:56.000 It was for an Asian man who had a...

00:23:00.000 He had status to be in this country.

00:23:01.000 It was like a work status of some sort, like a work permit of some sort.

00:23:04.000 And he had a child who was here, and his child was an American citizen because he was legally allowed to be here.

00:23:11.000 And that was why they sat there and said, if you're legally allowed to be here and your child is here, then your child is a citizen.

00:23:17.000 It was never ruled for illegal immigrants.

00:23:20.000 I think it was Justice Black who wrote something in an indentation in the 1960s or 70s, and Coulter constantly writes about this, the 1960s or 70s, that created the idea that it belonged to everybody.

00:23:32.000 But the Supreme Court has never ruled on it.

00:23:35.000 If this court did it, you know, I don't know.

00:23:38.000 Roberts has been fairly good in immigration.

00:23:40.000 The two that have not been wonderful are Gorsuch and Barrett.

00:23:43.000 So, I don't know.

00:23:45.000 I really, really don't know.

00:23:46.000 But it does seem to be decided upon by the courts because it has been a major factor In birth tourism, people using our country's law to sit there, come here, and be granted welfare status, because they're their child, and make it impossible to deport them.

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00:24:57.000 Ryan, again, you might know this better than I, but here's the actual language.

00:25:03.000 This is from the 14th Amendment.

00:25:05.000 It says, All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, meaning they're subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

00:25:19.000 Now, this language has been parsed apart, I mean, a lot over the years.

00:25:25.000 And I mean, if we go back to the original, the debates within the Senate when the 14th Amendment was getting codified, what does that tell us?

00:25:35.000 I mean, were senators literally saying like, hey, if you just drop a baby off on this side of the border, then obviously it's an American?

00:25:40.000 Or was subject to the jurisdiction thereof meaning something different?

00:25:45.000 No, of course they didn't think about illegal immigrants in, you know, 1866. This was not even, like, part of the conversation.

00:25:52.000 It was for the descendants of slaves, so that way they couldn't benign citizenship, and it made sense in the time. 0.98

00:25:58.000 It had nothing to do with it.

00:25:59.000 They weren't even thinking about immigrants.

00:26:01.000 It was literally just for slaves.

00:26:04.000 And it has just been, you know, this open-ended question, and we have lived with it, But it is time, I think, for the Supreme Court to at least rule upon it, because I don't think there's a way of getting an amendment change through the states at this point or through the federal government.

00:26:19.000 I think only the court could do it, and I think that we would probably have at least four votes off on the court.

00:26:26.000 And it would just be decided if one more joined them.

00:26:28.000 But it's very clearly not in the Constitution that anybody with a plane ticket could have their child be a subject of the United States, a citizen, and therefore make it very difficult to deport and have every benefit of the welfare system and the education and everything.

00:26:45.000 No, this is ridiculous.

00:26:47.000 No one thought this in 1866. There were no planes.

00:26:51.000 And now there is this whole entire thing.

00:26:54.000 There's a whole entire economy built around it.

00:26:56.000 But specifically when you have a president like Joe Biden, who so flagrantly ignored the letter of the law and protecting our borders and let so many millions upon millions of people in this country, larger than most states is the new population that came in.

00:27:11.000 They're all going to be trying to have children because they want to sit there and have an anchor to protect themselves, to be part of the United States.

00:27:18.000 It's ridiculous.

00:27:18.000 And it needs to be looked at at this point.

00:27:22.000 And it's obviously now one in four births are by mothers who were not born in this country.

00:27:27.000 That's huge.

00:27:29.000 Well, and Ryan, I mean, I don't know if you saw the news, Charlie, you saw it.

00:27:33.000 The number one baby boy name now in the UK is Mohammed.

00:27:39.000 Just happened this week.

00:27:40.000 I think it was already the case in like Ireland as of, you know, or Scotland, but now over the entire UK. Yeah, I think it was England had that a couple years ago.

00:27:49.000 But, I mean, they've had this story out almost every single year.

00:27:52.000 I think it's almost clickbait because they just changed the way the spellings are.

00:27:55.000 They combine all the spellings.

00:27:56.000 It's not that big of a story.

00:27:58.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:28:00.000 They re-qualify how they do it.

00:28:02.000 But nevertheless...

00:28:03.000 But an executive order would go directly to the Supreme Court if you want to get a decisive decision on it.

00:28:07.000 And again, there is no guarantee that...

00:28:11.000 We would win.

00:28:12.000 The side that we believe that birthright citizenship...

00:28:14.000 There's no guarantee.

00:28:16.000 It's just, it's so baked into what we think is constitutional.

00:28:20.000 And you're trying to tell me, Ryan, there hasn't been a Supreme Court decision on this in a hundred years?

00:28:26.000 Not on illegal immigration.

00:28:27.000 Nope.

00:28:28.000 There hasn't been.

00:28:29.000 They've never addressed it.

00:28:31.000 They've never talked about it.

00:28:32.000 There's no answer to it.

00:28:34.000 And it's a major thing.

00:28:35.000 What are we going to wait for?

00:28:37.000 A third of births being from non-citizens?

00:28:40.000 There is no greater country than the United States and the entire world.

00:28:43.000 Who wouldn't want to try to come here?

00:28:45.000 And if all you need is a plane ticket and nine months of being pregnant, you know, just wait around for 30 days. 1.00

00:28:51.000 And that's why places like in Los Angeles and Miami and in New York, that's what they're all doing.

00:28:56.000 In New York, at the Roosevelt Hotel, there was a ton of nine-month pregnant women getting in there knowing that Joe Biden was going to deport them and that they were going to have an avenue towards citizenship when their child sponsored them one day.

00:29:11.000 American people are being hoodwinked into this because there's been no action by the courts, and the courts need to sit there and say, no, an illegal immigrant's child is not a citizen by the 14th Amendment.

00:29:23.000 Andrew, you have some thoughts here.

00:29:24.000 Well, no, I mean, we were just talking about, you know, the Department of Education.

00:29:28.000 I believe you were talking about that with Chip Roy, the impoundment question.

00:29:32.000 But, you know, Ryan, you are, you have a, I think it's a 1776 project hack.

00:29:39.000 Yeah, you have done some amazing work there.

00:29:43.000 As we look to the horizon and what can be done about, you know, Charlie says college is a scam.

00:29:50.000 Maybe you fall somewhere there.

00:29:52.000 We also have local school boards, which you've been working really hard on.

00:29:55.000 Just size it up as a first question.

00:29:58.000 Isolate.

00:29:59.000 What are the biggest problems in American education and how do we address them?

00:30:02.000 The biggest problem is the teacher schools, the teachers' universities.

00:30:06.000 Universities where you learn to become a teacher.

00:30:08.000 So there's University of Chicago at Urbane.

00:30:12.000 This is just one example.

00:30:13.000 There is a professor known as Rochelle Gutierrez.

00:30:17.000 She's an award-winning math professor.

00:30:19.000 She teaches people how to teach math.

00:30:22.000 She, her entire curriculum on math is about the decolonization of math, how you strip whiteness from math. 0.86

00:30:30.000 And she's what, and she has had hundreds, if not thousands of people pass through her classes, learning how to be math teachers from her examples.

00:30:38.000 And they come, you know, if you think of the average person who want to be a teacher when they were, when you were younger, when you met them in grade school or high school, they were just probably, you know, a girl who wanted summers off and liked kids and yada, yada, yada.

00:30:50.000 And then they go through this radicalization program through these teachers' colleges.

00:30:55.000 I think one thing that could be done and that some places have started doing is I think there has to be a way to change the accreditation process around what it is to be a teacher.

00:31:05.000 I don't think you should have to go to the teaching colleges to supplement for being a teacher.

00:31:10.000 I think you could have classroom time or something else along with a comparative degree in order to become a teacher.

00:31:16.000 So that's one thing.

00:31:17.000 Curriculum is another thing.

00:31:18.000 We flipped the Miami-Dade School Board back two years ago.

00:31:21.000 They've started a program to change the way they do literature and English Language Arts, ELA, to be classics, to base it on the classics.

00:31:31.000 And when you have a classic-based curriculum in the public schools, which is possible, you no longer have the worry about teaching anti-racism language and literature because of that.

00:31:41.000 I would say the third and final thing I'll say is that the tech in school is problematic because while the textbooks are incredibly regulated, the apps that most teachers use are not regulated.

00:31:54.000 97% of all apps are given to schools for free with the sole purpose of then reselling children's data later on to other companies.

00:32:03.000 It is preposterous and there's a ton of woke language within the apps themselves and they're very unregulated.

00:32:10.000 As opposed to textbooks, which are very regulated.

00:32:13.000 There's so much here, Ryan.

00:32:14.000 We only have two minutes.

00:32:15.000 I'm going to ask a broad question, and we could pick this up at another time.

00:32:19.000 Do you believe that we are looking five years prior to now and now five years ahead, so a 10-year window, we're heading in the right direction of a classical-based educational revolution?

00:32:30.000 Yes, 100%.

00:32:31.000 Classic schools are popping up everywhere.

00:32:35.000 Public schools are reforming to adopt that.

00:32:37.000 And for the first time, Republican state legislatures are really genuinely caring about education because of what happened two years ago.

00:32:44.000 My PAC is launching a foundation called the 1776 Foundation.

00:32:48.000 We just started it.

00:32:49.000 Where we're going to work on having school boards meet with each other from different districts across the country to discuss what policy changes are happening in one place and how they can happen every place and broadening that communication which doesn't happen enough.

00:33:02.000 It's happening on the local level and it's happening now at the state level.

00:33:05.000 The federal government now that Trump's president or will be president, I think that the grant program and the way that money is doled out will be the very, very important thing because a lot of stuff happens the way that D.C. doles out money.

00:33:17.000 Ryan, thank you so much.

00:33:19.000 Really appreciate it.

00:33:19.000 We'll have you on again soon.

00:33:20.000 Thank you.

00:33:21.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:22.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 07, 2024

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