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00:01:41.000Andy Biggs, the next governor of the great state of Arizona, State 48, has brought in Sina Kerr, the next lieutenant governor, the first lieutenant governor.
00:01:52.000Andy Biggs, why don't you introduce your guest?
00:02:48.000This is the first time that we've had a lieutenant governor.
00:02:52.000What changed and what is the goal in Arizona?
00:02:56.000So a constitutional amendment came in by the voters three years ago or so and they said, We don't want to just have a Secretary of State anymore.
00:03:07.000We want to have a Lieutenant Governor, too.
00:03:09.000And the Lieutenant Governor will run with me like a Vice President runs with a President.
00:03:42.000You can just sort of, you could simultaneously appoint her to, I guess, I don't know what the cabinet agencies are at the state level, but that would make sense.
00:03:50.000Yeah, like head of department of administration or ag or, you know, just whatever.
00:04:52.000And then my mother, when my mom and dad got married, you know, she immigrated from Mexico and became a naturalized citizen.
00:05:01.000She was incredibly proud to be a U.S. citizen.
00:05:05.000And so, you know, they taught me to love our country, to step up for her, you put your life on the line for her, and to appreciate the opportunities that we have here in America.
00:05:19.000And so, anyway, you know, Went through grade school, high school.
00:05:25.000I met my future husband Bill, and we were in student government together.
00:05:29.000And, you know, I didn't know at the time he was a third generation dairy farmer.
00:05:42.000We started our dairy business and, you know, grew it from there, then grew our family.
00:05:47.000We have one son and three daughters, and they have blessed us with 12 grandchildren.
00:05:53.000And during that time, you know, I was involved with.
00:05:57.000Ag industry leadership, being involved in United Dairymen of Arizona Farm Bureau.
00:06:04.000And that's where I learned to really study and know the policy that affects us every single day on our farms and became passionate about that.
00:06:15.000Passionate about electing leaders that really understood what we needed to keep us in business, keep food on our table, keep our freedom to farm, and food security across the nation.
00:06:30.000Just he was very excited about this pick.
00:06:31.000And he was pointing out you have like a lot of expertise with managing water resources, as any agriculturalist does in Arizona.
00:06:38.000And that matters a lot because there was news over the weekend.
00:06:41.000If you're in Arizona, you're kind of, it's maybe entered your head a few times.
00:06:45.000This is not a place that naturally has a lot of water, yet we usually are able to obtain it when we desire it, but we can't take that for granted.
00:06:53.000And there was big news this weekend where we are like losing some water to the state.
00:06:59.000That's related to mismanagement from our current governor, correct?
00:07:03.000Yeah, in my opinion, she waited too long to engage.
00:07:34.000I'm an optimist guy about trying to work this thing out some more.
00:07:38.000But with the current governor, she's not really taking the steps, in my opinion, to actually resolve what you do now between now and October because the Bureau of Reclamation would like to put this into play October 1st.
00:07:53.000Now, that would require us to make a reduction off the river itself, but most of that's going to go to the Central Arizona Project.
00:08:02.000So, without getting into the details too much, there are things that can be done now.
00:08:07.000I'm working at the federal level trying to do it.
00:08:11.000We need this governor to step in, and I don't think she's capable of doing it.
00:08:16.000This is what I mean when I say she is dangerously incompetent because this will impact the state.
00:08:23.000But I think both Sean and I have some plans to put in place with infrastructure, et cetera, and policy when we are governing the state.
00:08:34.000Yeah, I mean, that's the my, you know, my mother works in this field and she says that, you know, the Colorado River is a huge, huge issue.
00:08:43.000What is behind this and what are the real world stakes for Arizona's farmers, for the business community, for home building, population growth, if we ultimately get our water share from the Colorado River cut this dramatically?
00:08:57.000Yeah, so I'll comment on that, Andrew.
00:09:02.000So, you know, we have to look at our past because it clearly dictates, excuse me, where we are today.
00:09:10.000So, Arizona has been a leader in water management, not only.
00:09:14.000Across the nation, but around the world, we have water leaders come to see how in the world we are so productive and effective in our water management and the products we produce, you know, in the ag industry.
00:09:29.000And so, in our early days, even before statehood, it was our farmers and our ranchers that had the wisdom and the foresight to map out how we can best utilize our water resources.
00:09:42.000And so, they did a very fantastic job laying that foundation.
00:09:49.000We have saved millions of acre feet of water.
00:09:52.000And just, it's incredible the geographic makeup, the geology of Arizona, that we have these incredible basins that can store a lot of water.
00:10:01.000So we have to look at that and know that we need to manage those resources effectively.
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00:11:25.000So, Sina, you were just working, or maybe you're perhaps still doing it with USDA, which we love Brook.
00:11:31.000We love what they're doing there for farmers.
00:11:33.000Explain why that's so important to a state like Arizona.
00:11:36.000A lot of people think it's just a wasteland desert.
00:11:48.000So, I did resign from my position, loved it, absolutely was deeply honored to.
00:11:56.000Have been appointed by the president, working under Secretary Rollins.
00:12:02.000Talk about just a next level administration who cares deeply.
00:12:09.000When they say, when the president says he wants to put farmers and ranchers first, he's not kidding.
00:12:14.000And then to have Secretary Rollins deploy that message in very tangible ways.
00:12:20.000She listens, as we've had, she's attended roundtables with farmers and ranchers across the nation.
00:12:27.000The one she held here, and she's held a couple now here in Arizona.
00:12:30.000To see her just so intently listening, taking notes, she wants their numbers.
00:12:35.000She's affecting change every single time she's meeting.
00:12:39.000Then, in my former position, I got to deal with her cabinet members, everyone who's serving with her, and her administrator, the undersecretary, so much of the staff.
00:13:22.000As I promoted and implemented the administration and the secretary's policies and priorities for Farm Service Agency, it was just a real blessing to go out across the state, tell our farmers and ranchers listen,
00:13:37.000the administration is really listening, they care deeply.
00:13:41.000About what you need, what's working for you, what's not working.
00:13:45.000The secretary, very engaged, very hands on.
00:13:48.000It was an incredible blessing to serve the administration in that way and then to serve our farmers and ranchers.
00:13:57.000Congressman, future governor Andy Biggs, so this is actually the first time we've had you on since your massive landslide victory in the primary.
00:16:19.000What happens in the state if Katie Hobbs stays in office versus what happens if you win?
00:16:26.000Well, just take a look at what she's vetoed.
00:16:28.000She's vetoed more than 70 election integrity bills while at the same time opening up the border to the South.
00:16:35.000Kind of a weird coincidence, I think, Andrew, you might think, but that's one thing.
00:16:41.000We've also gone from being one of the most affordable states in the country when she came in to now we're in the bottom five for least affordable states.
00:17:06.000We are the leader in the overdose rate, and that's because of Her policies.
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00:18:59.000Well, this all goes back to last week's Thursday discussion on thought crime.
00:19:05.000And we were discussing a viral clip of Shark Tank's Kevin O'Leary where he was gushing at length about a Rolex watch he was incredibly excited about.
00:19:19.000And then that turned into a discussion basically.
00:19:22.000Is our billionaires going on podcasts and talking about their favorite watches and really, really glowing, almost like worshipful terms?
00:19:31.000Is that going to put capitalism in danger?
00:19:36.000And it caused, it felt like an almost throwaway line to me at the time.
00:19:40.000But Jack, who was on the show with us, he stated that he, I believe, what was it, Andrew, that he doesn't believe in capitalism and he believes in nationalist populism instead.
00:19:55.000And so let's play the clip and we'll go from there because it did cause a bit of a stir online.
00:20:00.000And we wanted to make sure that we talked about it because I actually think it's a really, really important topic more broadly to make sure that we as conservatives understand what we mean when we say capitalism.
00:20:33.000Now, I've talked to Jack about this, and I think that he would probably state it differently and be more clear if he had an opportunity to do it.
00:20:42.000We are capitalists, we're very much pro capitalism.
00:20:45.000Charlie would often say that capitalism is the most proven, moral, and effective economic system ever, and it's lifted billions of people out of poverty.
00:20:54.000The alternative, obviously, is going to be socialism or Marxism, which leads at best to stagnation and malaise, but at worst to authoritarianism, poverty, misery.
00:21:22.000And that's a very important thing to keep in mind.
00:21:24.000And as Blake pointed out, Jack was reacting to a Kevin O'Leary clip in which he, I guess, claims that he was begging on his knees for this Rolex, this very rare Rolex worth $1.8 million.
00:21:40.000Out front here, I don't have a problem with a system that allows somebody like Kevin O'Leary to do that.
00:21:46.000I do not have any issue with him being successful.
00:21:51.000We love capitalism because it is freedom ultimately.
00:21:54.000Capitalism is not a system that man really invented at all.
00:21:57.000It's a system that just emerges when people are free to exchange goods and services and when there's a financial system behind it to exchange dollars, currency for those goods and services.
00:22:08.000And we celebrate success, but we also shouldn't worship material.
00:22:22.000And I think this is a nuanced approach that has come into the conversation essentially since 2015, more and more so with the rise of President Trump and populist, more populist conservatism.
00:22:36.000And that is that conservatives should not measure the success of our nation on GDP alone.
00:22:42.000This was a common Way that conservatives would say, hey, look at the GDP's going up.
00:22:47.000Well, that's all well and good, but your industrial base and your manufacturing core has been hollowed out and shipped off to China.
00:22:54.000So instead of good paying jobs, you get a lot of cheap plastic junk from China that's just going to end up in the garbage can, right?
00:23:19.000If you just let big business get exactly what they want when it comes to immigration, you would have a flood of cheap labor coming in and that would harm the country.
00:23:28.000Conservatives have rejected this model for capitalism.
00:23:32.000We say, no, we don't want unfettered mass migration just because you can get cheap labor out of it.
00:23:38.000That is not in the best interest of the country.
00:23:41.000So there are limits and we need to have an ongoing conversation about just what those limits are.
00:23:48.000Going back to what Jack said, people flipped out about him saying he's not a capitalist.
00:23:52.000But I think the more important line he said is we shouldn't center our country on capital.
00:23:57.000And you'll sometimes run into that where people will angrily point out that the U.S. should not just be an economic zone, a free trade zone.
00:24:07.000It exists, it is an actual country with people.
00:24:11.000And when you're an actual country with people, that carries additional values besides merely the increase of wealth for people by any means necessary.
00:24:21.000And as you said, yeah, we're also Christian as well.
00:24:23.000So Charlie was a big fan of capitalism.
00:24:26.000He was a big defender of it, certainly against alternatives like socialism, Marxism, communism.
00:24:32.000But he also, what was his chief value?
00:24:35.000His chief value, and also I should mention socialism sucks, one of the earliest lines that Turning Point uses.
00:24:41.000But his big goal in life was religious revival.
00:24:45.000He wanted to have a revival of American faith, he wanted to have a revival of American identity.
00:24:51.000And those are things that come before capitalism.
00:24:54.000You would want to have those as your bedrock.
00:24:56.000And then on top of that, you implement a free market capitalist system because that is by far the best way to ensure.
00:25:07.000And pointing it out with Jack, since people got mad at Jack over that line, Jack wrote the book Inhumans, which is basically a best selling book about how communism and Marxism are completely rotten and have killed millions upon tens of millions of people in the past century.
00:25:24.000So the idea that he's becoming a shill for Marxism, which some people have alleged, I think that's bonkers, to be frank.
00:25:32.000Although he can say more on that in his own right, too.
00:25:35.000But I think that's the key thing to emphasize.
00:26:06.000And when you have socialism, you have an equally shared amount of misery and suffering.
00:26:12.000I think that's channeling a line from Churchill, who Charlie greatly admired.
00:26:15.000And it's completely true that we have a system that is unequal.
00:26:19.000We have to make sure that inequality doesn't spiral out of control.
00:26:22.000That's what the discussion was about last week.
00:26:25.000Is too much in your face inequality going to cause people to have an angry reaction?
00:26:31.000And then they're going to impose socialism on us and ruin it for everybody.
00:26:36.000That is why we warn everyone about Mamdani.
00:26:38.000That is why we warn everyone about democratic socialism.
00:26:41.000That people who are taking advantage of populist anger.
00:26:45.000Are going to destroy the American experiment and impoverish all of us.
00:26:49.000Because make no mistake, America has become the country that the entire planet wants to move to because of capitalism, because we have a free market system that has made this country so wealthy and so successful.
00:27:01.000So we just need to emphasize those points, Andrew.
00:27:04.000Like, obviously, we remain a very pro free market organization, but we're not the Cato Institute here.
00:27:10.000We are not capitalism above all else and to the exclusion of all else.
00:27:28.000Our capital markets are the envy of the world for good reason.
00:27:31.000They create so much opportunity from financing new business startups and the like.
00:27:36.000But we also became a little too over reliant on financial instruments.
00:27:41.000Many, many people on Wall Street got obscenely rich by basically inventing pieces of paper that could swap derivatives a different way, right?
00:27:49.000And what Charlie loved was people like Elon Musk that actually used the financial markets to their benefit to build real things of actual value and innovation, right?
00:28:51.000But we absolutely, to Blake's point, need to be very cognizant of the fact that great wealth inequality and a hollowing out of our manufacturing core is going to radicalize our politics.
00:29:23.000So, explain the difference and why there is a confusion out there.
00:29:28.000Well, I think there's a confusion, right?
00:29:30.000Because the system, there's a difference between the system of capitalism and the perception of capitalism that exists in the popular mind.
00:29:37.000And people view the system of capitalism that we have today, which is very, very much not, you know, this pure capitalism or laissez faire capitalism, which has never existed.
00:29:50.000We have a system where, you know, it has produced a K shaped economy, where you've got, as you were saying, guys were saying very expertly, I think, in the past segment, that people, and actually we said on Thought Crime, of course,
00:30:06.000people love to clip things out of context.
00:30:08.000That's what we were talking about, and Blake, you remember because you were there.
00:30:14.000And we were talking about how, in the K shaped economy since 2008, there's been a certain segment of the population that has done incredibly well.
00:30:22.000And there's another segment of the population below median income line that's basically living in recession conditions since 2008.
00:30:33.000And that's created this instability, or we talked about the Gini coefficient.
00:30:38.000In there, and I was specifically saying, and as we wrote about in On Humans, the secret history of communist revolutions and how to crush them, a New York Times bestseller, that the communists, like Mandami, who I confronted to his face in the Oval Office, just want the instability.
00:30:54.000They want to use that to rise up and tear down everything.
00:31:38.000But when Elon bought X, he didn't do that just out of pure market necessity or market interest.
00:31:43.000He did it out of Public interest because he knew that it would be better for the nation that we have freedom of speech in the digital sphere, which is something that, had we not had that, we would have lost 2024.
00:31:55.000We all know we would have if we hadn't unleashed that, which produced this sort of anti censorship effect.
00:32:02.000So, but what you're not claiming is that you are pro socialism, pro Marxism.
00:32:07.000Just for the sake of clarity, I would love to find anyone, I would challenge anyone out there to have found anyone.
00:32:18.000On the right, or even in politics, who is more anti communist than the guy who literally invented Franco Friday?
00:32:39.000He believed that it was the most proven, moral, and effective economic system that has ever been used anywhere in the world and that it's essentially an outgrowth of human nature, that we naturally want to trade goods and services.
00:32:52.000Your clarification here is that you want it to work for the good of American families, the good of American.
00:32:59.000The American people, communities, and that there are certain limitations, regulations that do make sense.
00:33:04.000You mentioned immigration, which is one that I referenced in the previous segment.
00:33:09.000We would love to have unfettered mass migration for cheap labor.
00:33:12.000And by the way, I've gone to something we've rejected right now.
00:33:16.000I gave a speech at CPAC two years ago where I laid all this out.
00:33:20.000I said, this is the biggest difference between sort of the old right and the new right, and that we have more of an emphasis on immigration and trade, specifically those two issues.
00:33:31.000And you can't separate the old right, which wanted open borders, free markets, which included the free flow of peoples, because they were saying that people are like a world market.
00:33:42.000And we said, yeah, we don't agree with that.
00:33:43.000And then, of course, when we talk about trade, that brings up the question of China, that brings up the question of so many things that we've done, which obviously President Trump has confronted and something that I've been talking about for 20 years now, going back to when I lived in China and worked for the Shanghai Chamber of Commerce,
00:33:59.000American Chamber of Commerce, and saw how incredibly imbalanced that was.
00:34:03.000And, of course, saw that there were people who were.
00:34:06.000You know, the Kevin O'Leary's of the world were getting fabulously wealthy off of this by exploiting the Lao Beijing of China and then also screwing over the middle Americans, of which JD Vance is, of course, a member.
00:34:18.000And really, I think that these forces are the forces that brought the MAGA movement to the fore in the first place.
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00:35:56.000We have to draw your eyes and your attention to the wonderful state of Wisconsin.
00:36:04.000And there is a race up there that we haven't spent a whole lot of time talking about.
00:36:07.000But the star of this part of the hour, this part of the show, is going to be a woman named Francesca Hong.
00:36:15.000She is a radical Looney Tunes lefty who is likely going to be the Democrat nominee for governor.
00:36:23.000And we use the word Democrat loosely here, Blake, because she's legitimately as far left as they come.
00:36:30.000She is a Zoran Momdani lookalike, and her last name's Hong, and she's going up against Tom Tiffany, who's a great guy who is running as the Republican nominee for governor.
00:36:41.000And we just got to play some of these clips, Blake, because the more you see, the more you hate her.
00:36:54.000You championed in the legislature trans inclusive legislation.
00:36:59.000Even as public opinion has shifted, big majorities now support bans on trans females and women's sports and medical interventions for minors.
00:37:06.000So what are you going to tell Tom Tiffany when he calls you a radical trans activist?
00:37:12.000What's radical is that we still have a $725 minimum wage.
00:37:26.000But the thing is, she actually has just such a history of radical ideas.
00:37:30.000This is the classic play where now she's the front runner for governor in no small part because all of her potential rivals are getting taken out.
00:37:39.000There was a more, I hesitate to say moderate, it's still a Democrat, but a more moderate front runner who had a scandal with her financial reporting.
00:38:01.000She has this long history of endorsing abolish the police.
00:38:05.000She has a long history of endorsing anti white resentment.
00:38:08.000And now she's trying to drag it back and say, oh, this is just about economics.
00:38:12.000Her economics are still loopy as well, but it at least is not as obviously deranged to ordinary voters as all of the abolish the police stuff that's going on.
00:38:23.000And I want to highlight a few of those things.
00:38:25.000It's like she has a tweet from 2020 where.
00:38:28.000Kid, why are you eating dad's chicken bones?
00:38:49.000You got to like it to run for governor.
00:38:51.000And she says, I had to leave mostly just because I was on the verge of an anxiety attack.
00:38:57.000Too many old white people who didn't think we spoke English, which I don't know if there's any evidence of that.
00:39:03.000I think she probably just invented that in her head.
00:39:05.000And on top of that, she's given interviews where she's talked about having a bipolar mental breakdown where she was cutting herself late in high school.
00:39:14.000And now she's going to run to run an entire state.
00:39:17.000Mental health can be a real problem, and you should get help if you have problems.
00:39:47.000I've done a lot of research on Wisconsin.
00:39:49.000This is one of the breeding grounds for left wing activist violence in the country, Madison in particular, but it really is a hub for a lot of the most radical elements of the American left.
00:39:58.000It's a purple state in general, and I think there's a ton of salt of the earth people there, but in some of these, They have huge university systems that are incubators for far left people.
00:40:07.000I want to go through some of her stuff.
00:40:09.000Blake did a great job, and I'm going to even add to more of it.
00:40:12.000She's not just for defunding police, she wants to abolish the police.
00:40:39.000She's called to abolish the Senate, the U.S. Senate, which means she doesn't even like states, which is ironic that she wants to run a state.
00:40:54.000And I think we should not gloss over Blake's point about mental disease.
00:40:57.000I looked up to see if she has any diagnosable mental conditions, and there's none available, but she certainly seems like someone where you would think, I don't know if this woman's right in the head.
00:41:47.000If you have mental health issues, then this is the opposite of privilege.
00:41:50.000Remember, Asian women are the most educated demographic in the country.
00:41:53.000So she comes from a privileged demographic, and she's probably thinking about that when she's leaning into other stuff that does not, that makes her seem like more of a victim.
00:43:41.000Talrico is saying more and more insane stuff.
00:43:45.000It is difficult to look at the Democrat national candidacy map and see anybody that you would want to actually invite into your family home.
00:43:53.000Like, that is the benchmark for me when I'm talking about do I like these people?
00:45:24.000He is buddies with Hassan Piker, who thought the USA deserved 9 11.
00:45:29.000He does all sorts of different pandering, but I'll tell you, don't underestimate Saeed because he's got some real political skills.
00:45:34.000When he goes on the stump, he's very likable and he sticks with this message we're getting money out of politics, we're doing Medicare for all.
00:45:40.000These things pull very well, and he's very good at staying on message.
00:45:43.000So I think he's going to win by a lot tomorrow in the primary, and he'll be a formidable general candidate.
00:45:48.000But he has so many holes in his game because he's a socialist who also wants an open border, which is impossible.
00:45:55.000And he's a socialist who made over 700K last year and has a bunch of international real estate holdings, which is really tough because he should theoretically be donating all that money to socialist causes, right?
00:46:06.000Why does he need hundreds of thousands of extra dollars plus a bunch of real estate income every year?
00:46:11.000It is something I don't know why the socialists are tolerant of this, but they will be because they've tolerated much worse Bernie Sanders' three houses.
00:46:17.000Tala Rico this weekend, it was someone said to him in a QA.
00:46:23.000That Carmelo Anthony's death was a tragedy, or the Carmelo Anthony situation was a tragedy.
00:47:20.000This is a thing I've seen over and over on the right for years where they run a crazy person and we think that's made our lives easier when what we've First of all, we need to think is this putting our country in grave danger because all of these people, as messed up as they are,
00:47:34.000even if they're having these psychotic breakdowns like Ms. Hong is, once they're in office, they will be very good at one thing, which is executing on their actual political agenda.
00:47:46.000And we need to make sure everyone is fully aware of what that agenda is that prison abolition, radical increase in leniency on criminals, that's a very real thing that they'll roll out.
00:47:57.000Abolishing ICE, they're going to go all out on that.
00:48:00.000A lot of them have found ways to make a free Palestine an issue, even in state politics.
00:48:05.000So you're going to see them pursuing third world foreign policies as state level officials.
00:48:11.000All of this is on the table with the left and it's only getting stronger.
00:48:16.000This is an opportunity for us to warn moderates and say, look, you need to get on board.
00:48:20.000You need to make sure that we hang on, or very radical stuff will be unleashed, or it will get absolutely out of control.
00:48:27.000Yeah, I don't disagree with you, Blake, at all.
00:48:29.000I believe that they have a massive opportunity to win in this cycle specifically, but there has to be an acknowledgement from our side that when wealth inequality becomes so extreme, and I blame COVID for that, I blame.
00:48:42.000Printing money more than anything, by the way, because it sparks inflation, which helps the economic incumbents that own assets, that own real estate, that own stocks and bonds.
00:48:52.000Those people benefit really a tremendous amount during those types of cycles, and the working class gets hosed.
00:48:59.000So, this becomes a really big problem that can radicalize our politics, and you're seeing those chickens come home to roost in the rise of DSA.
00:49:06.000So, our messaging has to acknowledge some of those issues, and it has to say, we're fighting for nationalist populist policies that are going to onshore manufacturing, onshore wealth creation.
00:49:17.000Here at home, and we need to be real about that.
00:49:19.000But we love capitalism, but we have to acknowledge that there are people that are being left behind right now, and there are reasons for that.
00:49:28.000Alex, final minute to you on that topic specifically.
00:49:31.000What do we need to do from a messaging standpoint?
00:49:34.000Yeah, perfect place to end the discussion because every minute we're not talking about making life more affordable for Americans is a minute that's wasted.
00:49:43.000And I see a lot of wisdom in a lot of the stuff that President Trump is taking on right now, and I see a lot of lack of wisdom.
00:50:03.000They think they're going to win with a lot of identity stuff.
00:50:05.000But whoever can effectively talk about how to make life more affordable, whether it be health care or housing, for us, the messaging is we're sealing down the border.
00:50:20.000And if we're talking about other stuff, we're wasting time.
00:50:22.000And that's why Saeed, to his credit, he doesn't really talk about this stuff as much as he talks about getting money out of politics and Medicare for all, which would make life cheaper for certain people.
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00:52:33.000Paint the big picture for us, and then I'm going to play some of these clips that prove the thesis of your argument.
00:52:38.000Yeah, well, we've found quite a bit, to say the least.
00:52:41.000And I'll start putting it this way there is a.
00:52:44.000I would describe it as a massive decentralized network that is highly organized all the way from India to Brampton and other areas of Canada that are actually facilitating what you would call mass illegal immigration into the United States of almost individually and specifically Indian illegal immigrants through the North border.
00:53:04.000And these are Indian smuggling gangs as well that are facilitating this.
00:53:07.000So you usually have the fixer in India, and they basically connect you with human smugglers in Canada that have abused Canada's largely broken immigration and visa system.
00:53:18.000And then they then Essentially, just pour over our border because there is non existent RCMP or CBP responses.
00:53:25.000And those acronyms are the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
00:53:32.000Yeah, so you have the Royal Mounted Canadian Police, and that's essentially what we would describe as our border patrol here in the United States.
00:53:40.000And then you have CBP, which is basically immigration customs.
00:54:25.000Yeah, we actually had just met with a human smuggler in person that we were connected with through a fixer that we had been speaking to for a few days.
00:54:55.000We basically were just dragging them along, saying, Oh, I need to convince my wife.
00:55:00.000You know, she's scared, trying to pull as many details out as possible.
00:55:03.000And once we had enough details and had actually met with him face to face, got his face on camera, seen how large this one specific network was, you had over three different cars show up.
00:55:13.000An actual taxi showed up to deliver us to the Northern Board where we'd walk across.
00:55:18.000And that was us actually calling him and trying to confront him.
00:55:21.000And he actually did give us a comment, surprisingly enough.
00:55:56.000So you get these coyotes and they're walking you across this desert landscape.
00:55:59.000It's difficult, you can die in a variety of ways.
00:56:02.000And we've been so used to Canada being this developed country with a sane system.
00:56:08.000So, we don't have as many protections along that border.
00:56:11.000We haven't seen as many people illegally come over this.
00:56:14.000And I just want to play this clip because it drives home how wide open it actually is and how word is getting out about that, where it just takes a few minutes to cross the border up there.
00:56:45.000Like you walk for 10 to 15 minutes, then within five minutes, there will be a car come to pick you up.
00:56:53.000So that's all it is to my understanding.
00:56:55.000You walk through the woods for 10 to 15 minutes, and there's a car on some backcountry road, pick it up, and presumably there are maybe hundreds, thousands of people who've done that.
00:57:05.000And you can describe this how you were basically offered some new job that you could show up, no paperwork, imagining you were one of these foreigners.
00:57:13.000And I think it was in Chicago, like you just walk across.
00:57:16.00015 minutes, five minutes, a car picks you up, bam, you have an illegal job in America.
00:57:23.000And that, you know, the H 1B debate has been kind of widely brought up among the right in the recent years because it's just been, it's not used for what it is actually supposed to be used for anymore.
00:57:35.000And this kind of renders the H 1B idea, you know, kind of useless at this point because that's obviously a system that's being abused in mass right now.
00:57:44.000But it proves that you don't even need an H 1B to either live or work in America at this point.
00:58:04.000I mean, I'm in multiple of these group chats.
00:58:06.000And I get, I'd say, just in one group chat a day out of the dozen that I'm in, are 10 to 15 successful crossing videos and stories that are happening.
00:58:15.000So this is happening a lot more than people think.
00:58:18.000And then they are being funneled into places like Chicago, Newark.
00:58:23.000The demographic change we've seen in New Jersey isn't a happy coincidence.
00:58:28.000These are people illegally coming across.
00:58:30.000They may have people on H 1Bs already in these cities, or they have an understanding that, hey, I came from an area like Brampton, which is a massive Indian enclave in Canada.
00:58:40.000I want to be around the same people that are also from India in the United States.
00:58:45.000So they funnel into a place like New Jersey and even all the way down to Texas.
00:58:49.000So they're going to these places and they're connected with even deeper networks.
00:58:53.000That are in America, operating in America as well.
00:58:56.000So it's an entire pipeline all the way from India to Canada and into the United States.
00:59:03.000So, Kian, you were part of this reporting as well.
00:59:26.000This has happened for the last 15, 20 years.
00:59:29.000Obviously, it's gotten worse through the peak years of, I'd say, the last six, and then it kind of quieted down now.
00:59:35.000But the story really manifested is because I've been trying to get my US visa and I've been having a hell of a time, which might make your viewers happy.
00:59:46.000But because I've had so much time, such a hard time, when I tell my friends or family what's going on, I've had multiple people say, just get an Indian to bring you across.
00:59:57.000And that's how widely known and open and just nonchalant that conversation is here.
01:00:03.000So, when I was like, we because we talk about this and we don't look at it from an American angle.
01:00:07.000So, when I brought this story to Taylor, I'm like, this is like, this is an American story.
01:00:15.000What shocked me the most is we have a student visa program where we brought in literally millions of Indians, which millions is a lot for Canada because our population is so low.
01:01:33.000Call us, go here, and you can, as we just learned, Get a car in five minutes, drive into the United States to a job.
01:01:42.000And I suspect that's happening all over the country.
01:01:45.000Yeah, and it can't be said enough that they're going to places like New York because we have bastions of lawlessness in our own country.
01:01:54.000So they create magnets and a place where these people can then go and get illegal employment because these are bastions of lawlessness, of illegal immigration.
01:02:04.000They fight ICE, they fight CBP, they fight the Trump administration.
01:02:08.000And I want to talk about the social media of it all as well and how blatant and brazen this is on social media.
01:02:14.000Yeah, that was us actually meeting with the human smuggler, as we kind of touched on earlier.
01:02:19.000This is the exact same thing and the same tactic that the cartels on the southern border use they would blatantly advertise on platforms like TikTok and Instagram with very specific keywords and basically to acquire Americans to smuggle illegal immigrants over.
01:02:36.000And this is the exact same thing they're doing.
01:02:38.000All you need to do, and I implore every viewer that's watching this to do it.
01:02:42.000Go on Instagram and type in Canada to USA safe.
01:02:47.000And you will almost immediately see, just keep scrolling, you'll see hundreds to thousands of blatant ads targeting these Indians on visa programs that have essentially just flooded Canada to cross the border illegally.
01:03:01.000And it's as simple as it shows a WhatsApp message.
01:03:06.000That's going to be the fixer, usually located in India.
01:03:09.000And within the exact same day, sometimes almost even immediately, They will connect you to an entire network of human smugglers operating in Canada.
01:03:18.000So, yeah, you say, you just search, yeah, you search US, Canada.
01:03:35.000I know you guys had one that was, it was $9,500 to pay the drivers because, of course, the guy who was smuggling, you said he was just doing this as a do gooder thing.
01:03:43.000But what was maybe the lowest price you saw?
01:04:14.000And that's what Taylor and I found out while we were investigating this is like they will, when the fixer fixes you with the other smugglers, that you can kind of barter with them.
01:04:25.000And it's not like a fixed price, you can negotiate down.
01:04:29.000But yes, this does happen in, it's called Surrey.
01:05:10.000It's so easy to, there's so many points and cross.
01:05:13.000Like there's not that many official crossings, but there is a ton of ways to get over literally just crossing over through a forest or you walk across a river or you walk across someone's beach, which we discovered.
01:05:26.000So it does happen all over the country.
01:05:28.000Not so much Ontario because of the Great Lakes and the only way to get across is through official crossings, but it happens through the entire country.
01:06:29.000I just think about how vast that border is.
01:06:31.000And the fact that there are 50,000 missing Indian students out of Canada, they're probably got some job at some bodega in New York City right now.
01:06:41.000Did you track any of these people that have made it to the United States?
01:06:44.000Do we know anything about some of these people that have used this smuggling service?
01:06:50.000Well, I'd say the large majority of them are usually ending up either in Vermont or New York.
01:06:55.000Those are the two major crossing points that we were investigating.
01:06:58.000I mean, we were offered a job, a full time job in housing in either Milwaukee or Chicago.
01:07:03.000And then you see, literally yesterday it came out.
01:07:05.000I don't know if you guys were aware of it, but it was this massive video of this huge Palestinian.
01:07:12.000A caravan basically backing up a highway for hours at a time, and they're waving foreign flags, basically asking for their own independent state in Punjab in India.
01:07:42.000Washington is facing a really big issue with that.
01:07:46.000And on top of that, Washington is also facing a lot of fentanyl tracking from these similar and adjacent groups as well.
01:07:52.000So it doesn't just end with human smuggling en masse.
01:07:55.000It also extends to bringing poison into our country through the northern border now that the southern border has been a little more secure.
01:08:03.000Ken, final thoughts to you as the resident Canadian.
01:08:09.000You said this has been going on for years.
01:08:46.000Then you would be compliant, and then they would lose track of you until they have to come try to find you again to make you're compliant again.