The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie and Vivek's "Prove Me Wrong" Team-Up at UPitt

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:01.000 My conversations at University of Pittsburgh with Vivek Ramaswamy during the campaign.

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00:00:22.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:20.000 Hi, my name is Erin.

00:01:22.000 I'm a really big fan and I'm really excited to see both of you.

00:01:26.000 I'm a little stressed because I feel like I could ask about, you know, gun violence.

00:01:30.000 I could ask about anti-Semitism on campus.

00:01:32.000 But I feel like with an opportunity like this, I would really appreciate some personal advice.

00:01:38.000 I'm here at the University of Pittsburgh as a social work major and I'm really passionate about it.

00:01:43.000 However, I have found That I'm leaning a little bit more Republican and I feel like I come at a standstill with that.

00:01:50.000 And I really just want to get your advice moving forward for myself.

00:01:55.000 There's some obvious things I think you can think that would conflict, obviously.

00:02:01.000 I guess that's kind of my question.

00:02:03.000 What advice do you have for me as a Republican aspiring social worker?

00:02:07.000 What would conflict?

00:02:10.000 I don't know how to say it properly.

00:02:13.000 I think I can help.

00:02:14.000 The social work industry is very much about a perspective generally of that people in poverty are there permanently and not trying to break people out of poverty into the middle class or higher levels.

00:02:26.000 Right.

00:02:27.000 And that's why the Democrat Party and social work are very intertwined.

00:02:29.000 Right, exactly.

00:02:30.000 They view poverty not as a series of choices, but as a As a station in life that is immovable, largely.

00:02:39.000 Is that fair to say?

00:02:40.000 That is fair to say.

00:02:40.000 That's why my personal focus is on the children in underprivileged communities.

00:02:45.000 Because I personally feel like they don't choose to be put in that position.

00:02:49.000 But I'm having a little bit of a difficult time empathizing with the older generation of underprivileged.

00:02:57.000 And not in every community, but...

00:03:00.000 I don't know how to not sound bad.

00:03:04.000 I know you are great at not sounding bad when you say stuff, but I don't want to say something that'll get me in trouble.

00:03:10.000 Here's one way to look at it, and Charlotte, that was helpful, actually.

00:03:13.000 The Great Society from Lyndon Johnson.

00:03:16.000 It was a series of policies that were designed to help underprivileged communities.

00:03:20.000 They hurt the very people they were supposed to help.

00:03:23.000 How?

00:03:24.000 Well, the reality is it created dependence on government.

00:03:26.000 So you have a lot of single mothers, for example, that are paid more money not to have a man in the house than to have a man in the house because of the way the math of these aid programs work.

00:03:35.000 What do you mean?

00:03:36.000 Well, often the way the math of the aid is calculated is if you have an earning husband in the household, that actually causes you to disqualify for forms of federal aid that were designed to help you.

00:03:45.000 But actually, the best way to get kids in your own household ahead is in a two-parent household because if you're raised in a two-parent household, you're less likely to end up in jail, less likely to end up in poverty, more likely to graduate from high school.

00:03:57.000 So one of the ways that, if you're asking for advice, I would say for the people around you, even who might lean left, you can recognize their intentions come from a good place.

00:04:05.000 Absolutely.

00:04:05.000 But the policies of their leaders have actually betrayed the very people they were supposed to help.

00:04:11.000 And you can let them know, because I believe this is genuinely true.

00:04:14.000 Not just the Republican Party, but our conservative movement.

00:04:16.000 We care about lifting people up from poverty.

00:04:19.000 We just care about actually doing it rather than talking about it.

00:04:22.000 That's what I would say.

00:04:22.000 The other thing I'll say is that we as conservatives believe that if you're in poverty, it's largely because of values, not because of lack of stuff.

00:04:31.000 Like what values?

00:04:32.000 Not saving money.

00:04:34.000 Spending all of your money and your paycheck as you get it, for example.

00:04:37.000 Abandoning your spouse after impregnating them. 0.59

00:04:41.000 Not spending all of your money on alcohol and drugs and instead opening a 401k.

00:04:46.000 So values are the number one predictor of entering the middle class.

00:04:52.000 And there's a great book called Life at the Bottom.

00:04:54.000 You should read it.

00:04:56.000 By Theodore Dalrymple, who's a social worker in the United Kingdom, it's called Life at the Bottom, where he got into social work because he wanted to help people, and he realized it was not a lack of stuff.

00:05:06.000 It wasn't lack of housing, lack of food stamps.

00:05:08.000 It was that their value system was one that kept them poor.

00:05:14.000 So yeah, really quick, then I want to get to the next question.

00:05:15.000 I'm just struggling because in all of my social work classes right now, they're talking about all of those things.

00:05:20.000 They're wrong.

00:05:21.000 So what do I do?

00:05:22.000 I'm trying to learn about what I want to do.

00:05:25.000 I think you need to stay in social work because you're called to do it.

00:05:28.000 But there's an amazing amount of literature from Thomas Sowell to Shelby Steele to Theodore Dalrymple that get down to actual root causes of poverty, which is not lack of stuff, but is worldview.

00:05:39.000 And I think that'd be super helpful.

00:05:40.000 Thank you so much.

00:05:41.000 God bless you.

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00:05:43.000 All right.

00:05:43.000 Disagreements most welcome.

00:05:44.000 Yes.

00:05:45.000 Okay.

00:05:45.000 Hi.

00:05:46.000 My name's Oliver.

00:05:47.000 I've been thinking about like what I was going to ask.

00:05:49.000 I couldn't think of like a really good question.

00:05:53.000 I don't agree with kind of most of everything that either you stand for, but I've only really seen you on TikTok, so I don't actually know most of like what your deal is.

00:06:01.000 So I'll give you my 10 truths.

00:06:05.000 It's the backbone of a book I've written.

00:06:06.000 It's the backbone of my presidential campaign.

00:06:08.000 I can tell you 10 things that I believe are true and you tell me where you disagree.

00:06:11.000 God is real.

00:06:13.000 There are two genders, by which I mean there are two sexes.

00:06:16.000 The climate change agenda is a hoax because fossil fuels are a requirement for human prosperity.

00:06:22.000 Reverse racism is racism.

00:06:24.000 An open border is not a border.

00:06:27.000 Parents should determine the education of their children.

00:06:31.000 The nuclear family is not a bad word. 1.00

00:06:33.000 It is the greatest form of governance known to mankind.

00:06:36.000 Capitalism is the best system we have to lift us up from poverty.

00:06:40.000 There's three branches of government in the United States, not four.

00:06:43.000 The people we elect to run the government should run the government, not unelected bureaucrats.

00:06:48.000 And the US Constitution is the single greatest guarantor of freedom in human history.

00:06:54.000 That's what I believe.

00:06:56.000 Now tell me where you disagree.

00:06:57.000 A lot of buzzwords.

00:06:59.000 Okay.

00:07:00.000 Tell me where you disagree.

00:07:01.000 I mean, you know, the God thing, that's up to whatever, you know, interpretation of, like, what you believe and what you believe is right in life.

00:07:10.000 I don't think that's, like, something you should really debate.

00:07:13.000 Also, wasn't that, like, a thing where you, like, separate church and state from the government?

00:07:21.000 So, I'm telling you what I believe is true.

00:07:24.000 The beauty of this country is that you're free to exercise your religion, whatever that is, including even those who are atheists are free to be atheists in the country.

00:07:32.000 But it is a hard historical fact.

00:07:34.000 That our founding fathers believed that we are one nation under God, that there is one true God, and he puts us here for a purpose.

00:07:41.000 And I think part of what we've lost in our country is a belief in a higher power.

00:07:46.000 Part of the reason I think that our generation, mine too, we're so lost, is that we have a whole the size of God in our heart, and when God doesn't fill it, something else does instead.

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00:08:59.000 So if you ask, let me ask you a question.

00:09:04.000 If more people in this country believed in God and believed that God was looking out for them, do you think we would be more unified or do you think we would be more divided?

00:09:12.000 I don't think it's a question.

00:09:12.000 I think we'd be more unified as a country.

00:09:13.000 I don't think it's a question of God.

00:09:15.000 I think it's just a question of morality.

00:09:17.000 I think the whole point of religion is to instill good morals and how to live your life.

00:09:23.000 And I think we can spend here all day debating whether God is real, heaven is real, but at the end of the day, you're going to live your life every day doing The same mundane things, you're probably not going to see a quote-unquote miracle.

00:09:38.000 Well, hold on.

00:09:39.000 We saw one in Butler, Pennsylvania, didn't we?

00:09:41.000 You don't think that there was something supernatural there?

00:09:44.000 I think he got lucky.

00:09:46.000 So that's interesting.

00:09:46.000 We just have a different worldview.

00:09:48.000 When I see a bullet three centimeters from going into someone's brain on national TV that would have maybe sparked a civil war, I think that maybe God's behind that.

00:09:57.000 You think it's luck.

00:09:57.000 That's okay.

00:10:00.000 Yeah.

00:10:00.000 I'm not laughing at you, I just say.

00:10:02.000 No, no, I just, you know, nervous laughs, nervous laughs, nervous laughs.

00:10:06.000 I'll say one thing because you asked about politics.

00:10:08.000 Let me just be clear about this.

00:10:09.000 In this country, you are free to live here and not believe in God without the government coming after you.

00:10:14.000 But the irony of what's happening is the government's actually coming after you for practicing your religion or believing in God.

00:10:20.000 Look under the COVID-19 pandemic.

00:10:21.000 They specifically went after churches, even when they didn't go after liquor stores at the exact same time.

00:10:27.000 I personally believe that, you know what, you're free to, as I said earlier, you're free to marry who you want if you want, but that doesn't mean that you should be forced to officiate somebody's wedding if your religion says you don't believe in that either.

00:10:37.000 So I'm in favor of religious liberty in this country.

00:10:40.000 So what does that do with politics?

00:10:41.000 You should be free to worship.

00:10:43.000 Today in this country, sadly, especially if you're a Christian.

00:10:46.000 I say this as somebody who's Hindu.

00:10:47.000 If you're a Christian in this country, you are in a disfavored condition today. 0.58

00:10:51.000 And I think the reality is we need a government that gets out of the way of stopping people from practice their religion.

00:10:56.000 Thank you, my man.

00:10:56.000 I appreciate it.

00:10:57.000 Thank you.

00:10:58.000 I've never heard of this or either one of you before I saw this like whole group thing.

00:11:03.000 So I wanted to ask the two of you how you feel about, do you think that women should take on traditional gender roles in society or in their homes?

00:11:14.000 Yeah, I mean, generally yes, but you're free to choose as you wish.

00:11:17.000 But I think that most women are sold a lie to pursue a career and not form a family, and I think that comes at great cost.

00:11:24.000 And I think we should elevate the nuclear family first and foremost. 0.56

00:11:29.000 If you want to pursue a career, you have the agency to do that.

00:11:32.000 You have the liberty to do that.

00:11:34.000 But almost every young lady in this audience would agree that there is a push for young ladies to delay family formation. 1.00

00:11:41.000 At the expense sometimes of having a career.

00:11:46.000 There's nothing wrong with having a career.

00:11:48.000 At Turning Point USA, we have more women than men that work for us. 1.00

00:11:51.000 Our events department, which is the best events in the country, right, Vivek?

00:11:54.000 Amen.

00:11:54.000 Is all women.

00:11:56.000 A career is a great thing, but I can tell you as a father of two young babies and Vivek of two young kids, my career is nothing compared to the depth and the meaning and the purpose that I derive from being a father to two young kids.

00:12:11.000 Okay.

00:12:13.000 Julia, I'll tell you also, I have a pretty unique vantage point on this.

00:12:16.000 So I'm married to Apoorva.

00:12:18.000 She is one of the top throat surgeons in the country.

00:12:21.000 Oh, wow.

00:12:22.000 She fixes swallowing disorders. 1.00

00:12:23.000 She kills it at Ohio State University. 1.00

00:12:25.000 And she is IO. You know, I can't help it. 0.99

00:12:28.000 We're trying to win Pennsylvania.

00:12:30.000 No, I know, I know, but we believe in honesty and authenticity.

00:12:32.000 Congrats.

00:12:33.000 I love strong women. 1.00

00:12:34.000 And the reality is, I don't see, and she doesn't see a trade-off between her ability to be an excellent mother to our two sons, which she is.

00:12:42.000 I think I'm speaking for her when I say that she believes she is stronger at what she does in saving lives because it gives her more meaning in being a mother as well.

00:12:51.000 I say this as somebody who ran for U.S. president last year.

00:12:53.000 If I felt like that would compromise my role as a father, I wouldn't do it or any of the other companies I've built.

00:12:59.000 But one of the things I've found is it makes me stronger as a father and Apoorva stronger as a mother because we actually care for those kids.

00:13:06.000 And so does that mean we should somehow move to a society where people are having fewer children and delaying family formation?

00:13:11.000 No, that's not being a strong woman.

00:13:13.000 I think being a strong woman and a strong man alike is acknowledging we can pursue our own dreams but recognize that it all starts with a strong household, and we're proud of that.

00:13:21.000 Okay.

00:13:22.000 I agree that it's good to have strong households.

00:13:26.000 It's good to have strong nuclear families.

00:13:28.000 You want to have close connections.

00:13:29.000 It promotes emotional sustainability.

00:13:33.000 But I think I disagree where young women... 1.00

00:13:38.000 I do agree with you that young women are being pushed to pursue their career rather than maybe starting a family young.

00:13:45.000 But the population is always growing.

00:13:48.000 And I think...

00:13:49.000 Is it?

00:13:51.000 Yes.

00:13:52.000 Well, actually, our birth rate is collapsing.

00:13:54.000 We're below replacement levels in the West.

00:13:56.000 I mean, but the population of the world is just always going up and up and up.

00:14:00.000 That's not actually true.

00:14:02.000 It's driven by other continents, driven by places like Africa. 0.98

00:14:05.000 But in the United States of America right now, what you call the replacement rate, so the number of births net of deaths, We're at 1.6, 1.68.

00:14:13.000 We're below replacement rate.

00:14:15.000 Equivalence is two.

00:14:17.000 Two means you have as many births as you have for deaths.

00:14:20.000 We're well below that rate.

00:14:21.000 So our population is actually declining in this country.

00:14:24.000 And if you want to ask me, people talk about the threat of climate change to the future of humanity in the West.

00:14:29.000 I think the depopulation of the West is a far greater threat to our future than the climate ever will be because we're not having enough people to sustain elderly growing populations, and that's a major problem.

00:14:40.000 So one of the greatest things I think we could do for our country over the next hundred years is actually form more families and bring more children into this world.

00:14:47.000 It's probably the best thing that somebody could do for their country outside of politics.

00:14:51.000 I respectfully disagree.

00:14:52.000 I think that our infrastructure, there's so many people in cities that our infrastructure is starting to lack where we can actually support people anymore.

00:15:00.000 And I think the government is starting to be able to not support people as well because there's just so many people.

00:15:07.000 And I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that the population is declining.

00:15:11.000 So what do you think happens?

00:15:12.000 We'll finish with a quick question and let you answer.

00:15:15.000 So you said infrastructure is declining.

00:15:16.000 We're not able to support our population.

00:15:18.000 What do you think happens 20 years from now where we have a bunch of people in their 80s, far more than we've ever had, with far fewer working age people in their 20s, 30s, or 40s?

00:15:29.000 Do you think that problem of the infrastructure to support our country is going to be worse or better against that backdrop?

00:15:34.000 You know, Japan is suffering from that same issue.

00:15:37.000 And I think that hopefully that the scientific innovation of supporting elderly people will get better.

00:15:46.000 And that maybe you're right, that the infrastructure problem won't be as bad as having other people, as having elderly people. 0.80

00:15:58.000 And that's what we favor.

00:15:59.000 Thank you for being respectful.

00:16:00.000 Thank you very much.

00:16:01.000 Have a great day.

00:16:01.000 You too.

00:16:02.000 Thank you.

00:16:03.000 Yes, disagreements.

00:16:04.000 I wanted to say, if you disagree, feel free to work your way to the front of the line.

00:16:08.000 That's why we're here.

00:16:09.000 We love the agreements, but that's why Vivek and I do rallies.

00:16:12.000 That's not why we're here today.

00:16:13.000 Okay?

00:16:13.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:16:14.000 Hello, nice to meet you.

00:16:16.000 My name's Kaylee.

00:16:18.000 I have a question about why you care so much about abortion as a man.

00:16:24.000 I can see why women care a lot about abortion, but as men, it doesn't really impact you unless your wife chose to have an abortion.

00:16:34.000 But women, like, outside of your wife or, like, your sister or immediate family choosing to have an abortion doesn't really affect you much. 0.60

00:16:41.000 So I'm just curious to, like, why that's such a big concern and why things like the homicide rate in Baltimore City isn't, like, more of a big concern and why, like, the homicide rates around the country aren't a bigger concern.

00:16:55.000 Okay, so I'll tell you why.

00:16:58.000 And I'm sure we can both agree we care when kids are killed.

00:17:01.000 So that's why I care.

00:17:03.000 Because kids are being killed.

00:17:05.000 Okay, but it's not really a kid.

00:17:08.000 Like, if you're getting an early...

00:17:10.000 Oh, interesting.

00:17:10.000 Well, it's not really a kid, is what you're going to say?

00:17:13.000 I was...

00:17:13.000 I'm going to clarify.

00:17:15.000 It's not...

00:17:16.000 In the first trimester, I would not consider that a child.

00:17:22.000 What is it, then?

00:17:23.000 What species?

00:17:23.000 Is it a hippopotamus, an elephant, a giraffe?

00:17:26.000 What species is it?

00:17:28.000 It's just a clump of cells.

00:17:30.000 No, no, no.

00:17:30.000 What species is it?

00:17:32.000 It's human.

00:17:32.000 Right.

00:17:33.000 So if it's a human, then shouldn't humans be protected?

00:17:37.000 Then why aren't we protecting the people in Baltimore City who are being killed on the daily?

00:17:42.000 That's a red herring.

00:17:43.000 I think we should actually protect people in Baltimore.

00:17:46.000 You're asking a question why I care about abortion, because I care about unjust suffering.

00:17:50.000 Okay.

00:17:51.000 But I'm asking you, as someone who is more pro-abortion, or at least okay with it, you have to tell me what is that thing in the womb.

00:18:00.000 Okay, I'll agree with you just for the sake of agreeing.

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00:19:19.000 But why are we, why is like America so, is much more focused on abortion rather than like the people who are already like adults or young kids getting into gangs?

00:19:30.000 Why do they not?

00:19:31.000 I feel like that's not as much of a concern, whereas abortion is like this mainstream media thing, whereas stuff like that's not that big of a concern.

00:19:38.000 So I want to address that and then we'll finish with a question I have for you on the abortion question.

00:19:43.000 So I think that we're not focused enough on law and order in our cities.

00:19:46.000 I think that actually, I think I speak for Charlie and myself both, when I believe that police officers need to be equipped to do their jobs rather than to be hamstrung.

00:19:54.000 We have waves of rampant crime from Pittsburgh, Columbus, Ohio, where I come from, all the way to places like Baltimore that you mentioned.

00:20:01.000 So I think it's wrong that in the name of protecting black communities, more black lives are lost in those inner cities when we clear the jails and defund the police.

00:20:10.000 So if you share with us the view that we need to focus more on providing resources and latitude for police officers to make sure especially our cities are safer, we're on the same page and we're in the agree camp.

00:20:20.000 But you came up because we got you the front line because you're in the disagree camp and I just want to finish by asking you a question on abortion.

00:20:26.000 Let me tie the two topics together.

00:20:28.000 You talked about crime and murders on the streets of Baltimore and then you talked about abortion.

00:20:33.000 This is not a gotcha.

00:20:34.000 I just want you to see what you think about this.

00:20:37.000 Say someone's walking down the street of Baltimore.

00:20:39.000 Pregnant woman. 0.99

00:20:40.000 She's assaulted.

00:20:41.000 This is based on a real case.

00:20:42.000 She's assaulted.

00:20:44.000 The unborn child dies as a result.

00:20:48.000 She's distraught.

00:20:49.000 Her husband is distraught.

00:20:51.000 Do you think that that criminal deserves liability for that death or not?

00:20:56.000 Are you talking about the case in Friends Park?

00:20:58.000 I'm talking about just in this.

00:21:00.000 I made it Baltimore, so you brought up Baltimore.

00:21:02.000 Pregnant woman's walking down the street. 0.98

00:21:03.000 She's assaulted by a violent criminal.

00:21:05.000 The unborn child dies as a result of that assault.

00:21:09.000 Do you think that that criminal should be liable for that death or not?

00:21:14.000 I think he should definitely be liable for the assault, but in my opinion, it depends on how far along she was in her pregnancy.

00:21:20.000 If that baby has a heartbeat, then therefore it is a living...

00:21:25.000 And that baby has a heartbeat at six weeks.

00:21:26.000 So let's say it's past six, let's say it's seven weeks, that baby has a heartbeat.

00:21:29.000 Then you agree with me.

00:21:30.000 So we actually tend to agree a lot more than we first thought when you came up and asked that question that that is a life.

00:21:37.000 And then a criminal who takes that life in the case of a violent assault in Baltimore deserves liability for that death.

00:21:42.000 We're not going to agree on everything, but at least I think we have a similar starting point than we did about five minutes ago.

00:21:47.000 So thank you.

00:21:47.000 Thank you so much.

00:21:48.000 I appreciate it.

00:21:48.000 Thank you.

00:21:49.000 I think you can tell who I am voting for, but we talked about the Butler rally earlier.

00:21:54.000 And I want to ask you your thoughts, because as a strong Catholic, I struggle with what the Republican Party, we as the Republican Party, have been pushing the agenda that it was a miracle of God.

00:22:04.000 Because as a Catholic, I do struggle to wrap my head around saying that God chose Trump over a man who was killed in front of his family.

00:22:12.000 And I want to ask you your thoughts on that, because I struggle as a Catholic to believe that to be a miracle of God.

00:22:17.000 And to struggle with God is literally what Israel means, which is to wrestle with God.

00:22:21.000 Two things can be mutually true, which is that God saved the life of Donald Trump, and we don't know why he didn't save the life of the firefighter.

00:22:30.000 And look, the scriptures say time and time again that God will choose life and death.

00:22:36.000 He is the author of both life and death.

00:22:39.000 And I don't have a good answer for you, other than maybe that there was...

00:22:45.000 There's a plan for Donald Trump beyond that rally in Pennsylvania, and what would have ensued if Trump would have had his brain bones out on TV would have been pretty bad.

00:22:53.000 Thank you, and thank you guys for all you do.

00:22:55.000 And I think in the same way, I think God has a plan for you too, man.

00:22:59.000 So keep being open with that struggle, and I think hopefully it will lead you to truth.

00:23:03.000 I will say, I was one of your biggest supporters in your campaign, man.

00:23:06.000 I was hoping you could go all the way.

00:23:07.000 Thank you guys for everything you do.

00:23:09.000 Thank you.

00:23:10.000 Hi.

00:23:11.000 So, as a fellow right-wing person, I actually am just wondering how you feel about Social Security going bankrupt by the early 2030s because, Charlie, if I remember correctly, you don't believe in retirement because it's not biblical?

00:23:29.000 Yeah, for me personally, but I understand other people might want to retire.

00:23:32.000 But yeah, Moses didn't retire, so...

00:23:34.000 Okay, so...

00:23:34.000 I'm half kidding, but yeah.

00:23:36.000 I am a fan of Social Security, but yeah.

00:23:38.000 Okay, how do you feel about it going bankrupt by the early 2030s?

00:23:41.000 This is a good answer for Vivek.

00:23:42.000 He knows the numbers better than I do.

00:23:44.000 So I don't feel great about it, is the answer.

00:23:46.000 And I think that even as it relates to the replacement rate of birth rates in the United States, that's only going to make that problem a lot worse.

00:23:54.000 Here's my view on how we can fix it.

00:23:56.000 So I come from the business world.

00:23:57.000 I got my first job out of college at an investment firm.

00:24:00.000 I went in and started a number of companies after that.

00:24:02.000 So I kind of approached this with a business mindset.

00:24:05.000 If you go back to 2003, if everybody in Social Security, if you just invested that the same way that I invested the paltry amount of money I got in my first job out of college, which is in a diversified basket of stocks and bonds and other commodities, We would have a Social Security surplus today such that the average person collecting $80,000 a month would be actually collecting several hundred thousand dollars per month today.

00:24:33.000 So $8,000 a month would be $80,000 a month and several hundred thousand dollars per year.

00:24:38.000 So that's a mistake we made in the past.

00:24:40.000 We can fix that mistake for the future.

00:24:43.000 And right now, the federal laws stop us from doing it.

00:24:46.000 So the short answer is, next step, get Donald Trump in office, drill frack, burn coal, grow the economy.

00:24:53.000 Here's how we get out of the hole.

00:24:54.000 Get the natural resources out from under our ground and sell it.

00:24:58.000 Buy down the national debt, fill the gap of the social security gap.

00:25:02.000 Then when you have a surplus, allow people to actually invest it.

00:25:05.000 We're never going to have this problem again.

00:25:06.000 That's the answer to the question.

00:25:08.000 Okay, and Charlie, what do you mean you're only half kidding about, you know, you said retirement isn't biblical?

00:25:14.000 Well, I think that if you're able-bodied, you shouldn't retire.

00:25:17.000 I think that you should always be doing something.

00:25:19.000 The idea to retire is that you're checking out a society, whether you're mentoring, you're volunteering, helping out at the church, helping out in the community.

00:25:26.000 If you're 80 years old and you still have your faculties, I think that you being involved in your community, you have a moral obligation to do so.

00:25:34.000 And I think this idea of just checking out and playing golf all day long is fine, but I actually...

00:25:38.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait.

00:25:39.000 I, you know, I will say I probably am voting for Trump, but, I mean, what does that say about him?

00:25:46.000 I mean, obviously he was president, but...

00:25:49.000 I mean, yeah, he...

00:25:50.000 He's going for a pretty hard job.

00:25:51.000 Yeah.

00:25:52.000 I guess so, but I mean...

00:25:54.000 Here's one thing I'll just say on this because it's a fact.

00:25:56.000 So I haven't talked a lot about this company.

00:25:57.000 I started a company called Chapter.

00:25:59.000 The reason I started the company is it was about the third chapter of life.

00:26:02.000 You got the student chapter.

00:26:04.000 You got the work chapter.

00:26:05.000 We've done nothing for that third chapter of retirement.

00:26:07.000 And one of the things you find is that people have worked hard their entire life.

00:26:11.000 When they retire, you know what happens?

00:26:12.000 They get depressed.

00:26:13.000 They get really depressed and their health goes down.

00:26:16.000 And so instead, I think we just got to think about these chapters of life.

00:26:19.000 There's more than three chapters in your life.

00:26:20.000 There's every chapter you're doing something different.

00:26:23.000 And I think that that's actually going to make for a happier society, not just because people have a moral obligation to it.

00:26:27.000 I think they do.

00:26:28.000 But when you follow your moral obligation, you're also more fulfilled yourself.

00:26:32.000 But you got a long career.

00:26:33.000 You're not retiring anytime soon.

00:26:35.000 So I think once you get to the same place, hopefully you'll figure out the same thing.

00:26:38.000 Thank you. 0.94

00:26:39.000 You recently made a comment about how if your 10-year-old daughter were to be raped and impregnated, you would force her to carry the baby to term.

00:26:47.000 I'm wondering, do you still agree with that?

00:26:49.000 Well, I mean, that's quite a graphic way to say it.

00:26:52.000 First of all...

00:26:52.000 It's a graphic topic.

00:26:54.000 Yeah, it is. 1.00

00:26:54.000 First of all, shame on the woman who is trying to wish that my daughter be raped. 1.00

00:26:59.000 We can agree that that is... 0.98

00:27:00.000 I don't think she ever did that, Charlie.

00:27:02.000 Well, she actually said in the dialogue, I hope your daughter leaves you because of your views. 0.98

00:27:08.000 Yeah, that has nothing to do with whether or not she wants your daughter to be raped or not. 1.00

00:27:11.000 She's saying that she thinks you are dangerous to your daughter.

00:27:13.000 Okay, let me be very clear though.

00:27:15.000 Do you think that an unborn baby is a human life?

00:27:19.000 Yes.

00:27:19.000 Okay, so if I have two ultrasounds right now, one of a baby conceived in rape, one conceived in a consensual relationship, which one is which?

00:27:27.000 Whether or not you can tell if an ultrasound is a human baby is irrelevant to the fact of whether that life has value.

00:27:33.000 Most people would not define the life of an unborn fetus.

00:27:37.000 First of all, plan B. You've mentioned before that you don't think that's necessarily as bad.

00:27:41.000 It's not an abortifacient.

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00:28:46.000 When does life begin?

00:28:49.000 It begins at conception, but plan B does not necessarily terminate a fertilized egg.

00:28:54.000 Not necessarily, but if you were to shoot someone and it doesn't necessarily kill them, is it still murder, at least an attempt of murder?

00:29:00.000 Well, hold on.

00:29:00.000 First of all, if I were to shoot my gun up in the air and it very well might hit somebody, it is murder.

00:29:06.000 Plan B is like shooting your gun up in the air.

00:29:08.000 Is it?

00:29:09.000 Well, it is, because it's not an abortifacient, because what it does is it prevents the woman's release of progesterone, which very well might prevent the fertilization of an egg.

00:29:16.000 Those are two different things.

00:29:18.000 Where an abortion pill actually destroys a fertilized egg.

00:29:20.000 Now, you keep on interrupting me, but I want to be very morally clear on this, okay?

00:29:23.000 That the question was about the hypothetical rape of my daughter, potentially, yes.

00:29:28.000 To be consistent, if someone in my life were to be carrying a baby, I would not be okay with murdering the baby. 0.96

00:29:35.000 Would you?

00:29:36.000 I don't think it would be murder.

00:29:38.000 Why?

00:29:39.000 Because I think that murder is when you are taking away...

00:29:42.000 I think that the value of human life is its consciousness.

00:29:45.000 So I think that the point where the fetus gains value is at 20 to 26 weeks...

00:29:50.000 But that's a separate issue.

00:29:51.000 Oh, that's interesting.

00:29:52.000 So if she was 20 years old and not raped, it's still okay.

00:29:56.000 What are you talking about?

00:29:57.000 Well, because you brought up the rape topic...

00:30:00.000 For what reason?

00:30:01.000 To try to overly emotionalize it?

00:30:03.000 No, I just felt like a lot of people wanted that addressed because it upset a lot of people.

00:30:07.000 Why would it upset people to say that you shouldn't murder after an evil?

00:30:10.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:30:11.000 We don't believe it's murder.

00:30:12.000 Right.

00:30:12.000 It's the thing.

00:30:13.000 Okay, so but what species is the unborn baby?

00:30:15.000 It is homo sapien.

00:30:16.000 Got it.

00:30:16.000 So, at what point is it alive?

00:30:19.000 It is a live at conception.

00:30:20.000 However, we don't...

00:30:21.000 Excuse me.

00:30:22.000 You mentioned interrupting earlier.

00:30:23.000 Don't interrupt me.

00:30:24.000 Well, hold on.

00:30:25.000 Actually, this is my deal, not yours.

00:30:27.000 No, no, no.

00:30:27.000 Okay, so excuse me.

00:30:28.000 Life is not what's valuable.

00:30:30.000 If a lanternfly flew down right now, you would just swat it.

00:30:32.000 It's okay.

00:30:32.000 Life...

00:30:33.000 Well, you said a fly flew down?

00:30:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:36.000 Because we are not placing value...

00:30:37.000 Human beings are not flies.

00:30:39.000 Why are they not flies?

00:30:40.000 What's the difference between this life?

00:30:42.000 Is it the fact that there's a heartbeat or is it the fact that humans have the ability to reason?

00:30:46.000 Humans have consciousness.

00:30:46.000 That's where we place the value.

00:30:48.000 So when do brainwaves start?

00:30:49.000 Brainwaves?

00:30:50.000 They start at, I don't know, what, six weeks?

00:30:52.000 Yeah, six weeks.

00:30:53.000 Okay, so then is abortion okay before six weeks?

00:30:55.000 No, it's not.

00:30:55.000 So then why do you talk about brainwaves?

00:30:57.000 Well, actually, I don't.

00:30:58.000 You do.

00:30:58.000 Because let me tell you why.

00:31:00.000 If an unborn baby at conception left uninterrupted to develop, what happens?

00:31:05.000 A seed is not a tree.

00:31:07.000 Well, no, it's already fertilized, though, and it's growing into a tree.

00:31:10.000 And so an abortion is the interruption of that tree growing.

00:31:12.000 So therefore, you are forcibly intervening the development of a life.

00:31:16.000 If left uninterrupted and nourished, that human life becomes you and becomes me.

00:31:21.000 And therefore...

00:31:22.000 Becomes!

00:31:23.000 So you're...

00:31:23.000 No, it grows into...

00:31:24.000 You're saying it grows into a life, that?

00:31:26.000 No, no, I didn't say a life.

00:31:28.000 No, no, I said it becomes a fully developed...

00:31:30.000 Fully developed, okay.

00:31:31.000 It's in the process of development.

00:31:33.000 No different than my six-month-old right now does not have the ability to speak yet.

00:31:38.000 Just because my six-month-old doesn't have the ability to speak yet doesn't mean it's okay to kill my six-month-old, correct?

00:31:45.000 Charlie, of course I would never say that.

00:31:47.000 No, I know, but what I'm saying is there's so many fault lines in the pro-abortion argument.

00:31:51.000 And again, to be consistent, is it okay to pull the plug of anybody in a hospital that does not have detectable brainwaves?

00:31:59.000 I think that oftentimes when somebody is not showing any detectable brainwaves, you would make a decision with your family on whether or not you pull that plug.

00:32:08.000 You're not going to leave this person forever.

00:32:09.000 Let me ask him the one question.

00:32:10.000 Hey, Vivek, I want to ask you, before you start, do you agree with what he said about his daughter?

00:32:14.000 I'm going to ask...

00:32:15.000 What Charlie says about his daughter reflects the values of his family, and I think it takes great conviction for Charlie to have adopted the stance that— Do you have that same conviction?

00:32:22.000 Answer the question.

00:32:24.000 What'd you do it?

00:32:24.000 Here's my conviction is— He won't answer the question, guys.

00:32:27.000 I'll answer the question.

00:32:28.000 So I'm pro-life as an absolutist.

00:32:32.000 I also believe that the federal government should not be legislating a ban, so that's where I land on policy.

00:32:37.000 I have a question for you, though, because you have been thoughtful.

00:32:39.000 You're a little bit— A little bit heated, but you have some thoughtful views.

00:32:43.000 So I want you to answer this question directly.

00:32:45.000 I asked it to a woman earlier.

00:32:46.000 I'm going to ask it to you.

00:32:47.000 Real case.

00:32:48.000 Pregnant woman walking down the street. 0.72

00:32:50.000 She's assaulted violently.

00:32:52.000 The unborn child dies as a result.

00:32:54.000 Is it your belief that that criminal walks free for that death?

00:32:59.000 Because that's what I'm hearing.

00:33:00.000 You believe that that criminal does not deserve liability for that death.

00:33:03.000 Do you agree with that or not?

00:33:05.000 I would disagree.

00:33:06.000 I don't think that the criminal should walk free, no.

00:33:07.000 Why?

00:33:08.000 Because he actually took a valid life that was worthy of human dignity and respect.

00:33:12.000 Okay, first of all, I think this is a diversion.

00:33:14.000 It's a true case. 0.70

00:33:15.000 We're not debating policy.

00:33:16.000 We're debating morality right now.

00:33:18.000 No, but morality and policy are actually intertwined.

00:33:20.000 Deeply linked.

00:33:20.000 Because policy is a reflection of the morals you hold.

00:33:23.000 We have murder laws and rape laws, arson laws, and you can't steal because we have morals, right?

00:33:28.000 Okay.

00:33:28.000 So you get policies because you have a moral code.

00:33:32.000 Okay.

00:33:32.000 First of all, Vivek, I'd like to thank you for helping Charlie out here with that.

00:33:37.000 Let me just give you a piece of advice.

00:33:39.000 You didn't ask me advice.

00:33:40.000 I'm going to give you advice anyway, because I think we need more of this in the country.

00:33:42.000 There's so much of a thoughtful thread through much of what you said.

00:33:47.000 Thank you. 0.99

00:33:47.000 And we just ruin it by interspersing it with being a jerk along the way. 0.99

00:33:52.000 I've watched a lot of your videos, Charlie. 0.99

00:33:54.000 You have strong views.

00:33:55.000 Oh, so you know how most people talk to me.

00:33:57.000 We have strong views.

00:33:57.000 No, I know how you talk to people, especially like women, but we're not talking about that right now.

00:34:01.000 We're talking about abortion.

00:34:02.000 Keep the smart part, lose the mean part, and I think you're going to be good.

00:34:05.000 Thank you very much, man.

00:34:08.000 Oh, is that it?

00:34:08.000 Yeah, you're done.

00:34:09.000 Okay, thanks.

00:34:10.000 Sorry.

00:34:11.000 All right.

00:34:12.000 White dudes for Harris, everybody.

00:34:13.000 Lots of gusto and no wisdom.

00:34:15.000 I can't believe I have to follow that.

00:34:17.000 That's crazy.

00:34:18.000 What a joke.

00:34:19.000 Yeah.

00:34:20.000 So my question is, by increasing tariffs, do you think that's the best way to onshore jobs?

00:34:25.000 So I actually want to be really clear about Donald Trump's stance on this, because there's others in the Republican Party that go in another direction on this.

00:34:31.000 Donald Trump's stance is that if a country is applying tariffs to us at a higher rate than we are to them, then they don't get the free lunch anymore.

00:34:39.000 I agree, yeah.

00:34:40.000 So that actually creates an incentive for other countries to reduce tariffs on American manufacturers.

00:34:43.000 That's what people miss about the debate, and it's sad for me to kind of watch, because there are some Republicans who just believe tariffs need to exist to protect American manufacturers.

00:34:51.000 Yeah.

00:34:51.000 That's a myth of a debate because that's not the status quo.

00:34:54.000 The status quo is our so-called trading partners have higher tariffs on us than we have on them.

00:34:59.000 So that's actually been the position that Trump's at.

00:35:01.000 The number one area where I think it's important though, let's just get to brass tacks, we cannot depend on China for our own military or our own pharmaceutical supply chain or our own electronics industry.

00:35:13.000 So if we're dependent on an enemy or an adversary for our way of life, it doesn't make any sense if they're also supplying our military.

00:35:19.000 That's the number one thing we need to focus on.

00:35:21.000 That's going to require onshoring a lot to the United States.

00:35:23.000 That's the first best answer.

00:35:25.000 But a second best answer, if it means we're actually entering better trading relationships with others, that's cool.

00:35:29.000 But focus on mission number one, declaring economic independence from China.

00:35:33.000 That's what I favor, and Donald Trump's policies will help get us there.

00:35:36.000 What are your thoughts on companies from China moving to Mexico and Vietnam to get around some of the regulatory stuff that we put out there?

00:35:44.000 It's gaming, and China has been a master since the 1990s of gaming our system right back against us. 1.00

00:35:50.000 We've got to force them to play by the same set of rules, or else they don't get the benefits of trading with us.

00:35:54.000 That's the answer.

00:35:54.000 And I have a second question.

00:35:56.000 So you became a billionaire by basically buying drugs that companies kind of stopped the FDA trials for.

00:36:03.000 Are there any major...

00:36:07.000 Places that we could, like, I could take over to become, you know, a billionaire like you are.

00:36:12.000 Here's my advice.

00:36:13.000 If you want to actually make it the system of American capitalism, I love giving advice on this.

00:36:16.000 It's worked for me every time along the way.

00:36:19.000 If the pack is running one direction, you run in the other.

00:36:22.000 Oh, 100%.

00:36:22.000 But you've got to make sure you're actually right.

00:36:25.000 So if you ever have an impulse that you want to start a business because you feel like being an entrepreneur, here's my advice.

00:36:29.000 Don't.

00:36:30.000 Because you actually need to understand a detailed reason why nobody else is actually doing it.

00:36:35.000 In the farm industry, they all behave like a bunch of government bureaucrats that they're regulated by.

00:36:39.000 So they behave like lemmings. 0.55

00:36:41.000 And that created an opportunity to go the other direction.

00:36:43.000 But I studied the industry for seven years before I had the confidence to actually do it.

00:36:47.000 That's my advice to you.

00:36:48.000 Well, you might have some competition in the future.

00:36:50.000 All right, brother.

00:36:51.000 Bring it.

00:36:51.000 I like it.

00:36:52.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:53.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:55.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 21, 2024

Charlie and Vivek's "Prove Me Wrong" Team-Up at UPitt

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