The Charlie Kirk Show - November 20, 2024


The Toughest "Prove Me Wrong" Ever?

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late-stage abortions discrimination in America dead body racism rape and incest abortions
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Charlie Kirk
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Barack Obama Thomas Sewell Mike Lindell Selective Search Poppy Trump Turning Point USA Edmund Burke Mantis Girl Murder Down
Democrats Disregard The Law In Pennsylvania Charlie and Vivek's "Prove Me Wrong" Team-Up at UPitt

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In this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, host Audrey and host Audrey discuss the controversial topic of when life begins for a pregnant woman. Audrey and Charlie discuss their personal views on the matter and give their thoughts on the late-stage abortion debate. If a mother's life is at risk, should she be allowed to keep her baby or should it be delivered via cesarean section? Is it better to keep the baby in the mother or should she try to deliver the baby at a later stage of pregnancy? What is the best type of birth control for pregnant women? Is there a difference between a birth control pill and a C-section birth? Does it matter if the baby is still alive at that point in pregnancy or if it's stillborn? Should the mother live or should the baby be delivered at the later stages of pregnancy, or is there another birth control option? Are there any exceptions to the law regarding late-term abortions? Do you agree with Audrey and Audrey's views on this topic? Or do you disagree with them? Listen in to find out what they think! Charlie and Audrey discuss their thoughts and opinions on the topic. Learn how you can protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments, a company that specializes in gold and other precious metals. That's where I buy all of my gold! Go to noblegoldinvestments.co/TheCharlieKirkShow.co and get 20% off your first order of a piece of gold and I'll send you all of your brokerage account! to receive 20% of your first month of the month! FREE PRICING HERE! Learn more about Noble Gold Investing with me on the show! I'll be giving you access to all the best deals on the best gold and precious metals you can get anywhere else in the world! Thank you, I'm giving you a discount code: TheCharlie Kirk Show! Charlie Kirk and all of the gold I can get you a chance to receive 5% off of the show, plus an extra $5,000 at The Charlie Kirk is giving you $5 or $10 or $20 or $50, and you get $50 or $25 or $55 or $75,000 in the show gets you an ad discount when you sign up to receive $25,000 gets you a VIP discount, and I can receive $75 or $100,000 is a maximum of $150,000 and I get a VIP offer!

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody enjoy this episode become a member members.charliekirk.com that is members.charliekirk.com email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com and become a member to support this program buckle up everybody here we go Charlie what you've done is incredible here maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk Charlie Kirk's running the White House folks I want to thank Charlie.
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00:01:12.000 Hello, my name is Audrey.
00:01:13.000 I'm a UNLV student, and I just wanted to ask...
00:01:17.000 It's a good book.
00:01:17.000 Oh, yeah, I love it.
00:01:19.000 I wanted to ask what your personal beliefs on when life begins for a pregnant woman.
00:01:28.000 Yeah, conception.
00:01:30.000 Why?
00:01:31.000 Because that is when your DNA was formed and your entire journey as a human being started.
00:01:36.000 Okay, well, so what about people who believe differently than you?
00:01:40.000 Why should my right to choose be dependent on your viewpoint?
00:01:45.000 Well, I guess the other question is, do you think that there is right science and wrong science?
00:01:49.000 Yeah.
00:01:49.000 Okay, so science will prove me correct.
00:01:51.000 For example...
00:01:52.000 Science does not prove you correct.
00:01:53.000 Okay, let me build it out.
00:01:55.000 How tall you are, your eye color, your weight disparity, your tastes, your likes, your dislikes were all put into place at that moment of conception.
00:02:05.000 I do not believe that that is true.
00:02:06.000 No, it actually is true.
00:02:07.000 So it's called DNA. It's called deoxyribonucleic acid.
00:02:10.000 So, for example...
00:02:13.000 How tall you are right now or how tall you could be absent medical intervention, your eye color, your skin color, your hair color was all decided at that moment.
00:02:21.000 So basically, the blueprint for your life came into being at that moment.
00:02:25.000 Therefore, it is your life.
00:02:26.000 It is the beginning of your life.
00:02:28.000 And what distinguishes you from your mother is that you have two separate forms of DNA. So I believe you should be able to do what you want with your body, and I believe that everybody should be able to not be interfered with in their body.
00:02:39.000 Therefore, if it's not your DNA, it's not your choice.
00:02:42.000 Okay, let's move on from that.
00:02:46.000 That's not because I'm wrong, it's because I don't have time.
00:02:51.000 Now...
00:02:55.000 Now, Charlie, I have a question.
00:02:58.000 When it comes to late-stage abortions, like really, really late-stage, how are your stances on that?
00:03:05.000 Obviously, I believe it should be illegal, yeah.
00:03:07.000 What about if it will literally kill the mother? 0.85
00:03:10.000 Yeah, so that's a separate medical procedure, not an abortion. 0.98
00:03:12.000 No, it is the same medical procedure.
00:03:14.000 No, it's actually called a septajectomy.
00:03:16.000 It kills women. 1.00
00:03:17.000 According to Planned Parenthood's own website, up until recently, it was a distinct and separate medical procedure, not called an abortion.
00:03:24.000 That's Planned Parenthood's own website for 30 years.
00:03:26.000 And so, yes, if a mother's life is at risk, that is a separate medical procedure.
00:03:30.000 For example, amniotic sector.
00:03:32.000 So then you're okay with it at that point.
00:03:34.000 So then why is that different?
00:03:37.000 But let's be very clear.
00:03:38.000 In late-stage abortion, you would both agree we should probably try a cesarean section before a termination.
00:03:43.000 What is your opinion on cesarean sections?
00:03:45.000 I'm a C-section baby.
00:03:46.000 I think it's perfectly acceptable.
00:03:48.000 Both my kids are.
00:03:48.000 So let me ask a question.
00:03:49.000 If a baby was risking the mom's life, why shouldn't we try to deliver the baby and not terminate it? 0.96
00:03:54.000 There's no reason why you shouldn't deliver the baby. 0.89
00:03:56.000 Okay, so we agree.
00:03:57.000 So the point is that instead of aborting it, try to make it live and do a C-section.
00:04:00.000 Like you said, you're a C-section baby.
00:04:02.000 I'm glad you lived.
00:04:02.000 I'm glad you weren't aborted.
00:04:05.000 You know, a lot of people say the, like, what if you were aborted, and it's just like...
00:04:08.000 I didn't say that.
00:04:09.000 I said, I'm glad you weren't.
00:04:10.000 I know you didn't say that, but I'm just saying a lot of people do say that.
00:04:13.000 And personally, I would rather my mom have the ability to choose if she has a baby that is wanted over forcing to have a baby. 1.00
00:04:21.000 Define wanted.
00:04:22.000 Wanting a baby is wanting a baby. 0.90
00:04:25.000 If I... That's not a definition.
00:04:26.000 That's repeating the phrase.
00:04:31.000 Anyways, so...
00:04:32.000 No, no, no, no, because it's important.
00:04:33.000 Define wanted.
00:04:34.000 So, wanting something is...
00:04:36.000 So, for example, I'm not wanted on many college campuses.
00:04:39.000 Do I have a right to show up there?
00:04:40.000 Oh.
00:04:41.000 Wow.
00:04:42.000 Okay.
00:04:43.000 So that's where we're going with this.
00:04:44.000 No, no, no.
00:04:45.000 Define wanted. 0.95
00:04:46.000 You're obviously not dumb. 0.85
00:04:47.000 You're reading the Iliad. 0.94
00:04:48.000 Tell me what has wanted me.
00:04:50.000 You want something, and you go out of your way to get it, right?
00:04:55.000 Okay, again, that's not a definition, but the point is that why should want...
00:04:57.000 The definition of wanted is a very hard thing to define in this way.
00:05:01.000 Exactly.
00:05:02.000 So this is the essence of it.
00:05:04.000 Why should want be correlated with moral worth?
00:05:06.000 If someone is not wanted, should they be allowed to be murdered?
00:05:10.000 It's not murder.
00:05:11.000 And that's why we disagree, okay?
00:05:13.000 If it's a human being, shouldn't a human being?
00:05:15.000 It's not a human being.
00:05:16.000 It's a clump of cells.
00:05:17.000 Well, okay.
00:05:18.000 Hold on.
00:05:19.000 Hold on, guys.
00:05:20.000 Hold on.
00:05:22.000 So, I'm a clump of cells, and you are a clump of cells.
00:05:26.000 It is a clump of cells with no brain, with no heart, no nothing.
00:05:30.000 That's not correct.
00:05:31.000 Yes, it is true.
00:05:32.000 At 8 weeks, a heartbeat develops.
00:05:35.000 At 10 weeks, brain waves are detected.
00:05:37.000 DNA well before that.
00:05:38.000 And they can feel pain up to 15 weeks.
00:05:40.000 However, I just want to be clear.
00:05:41.000 What species is the fetus?
00:05:47.000 It can be a human fetus, yeah.
00:05:48.000 Okay, wait.
00:05:49.000 If it's a human fetus, then doesn't it get human rights?
00:05:51.000 It's not a human yet.
00:05:53.000 But you said it's a human.
00:05:54.000 It's a human fetus.
00:05:55.000 That is a different thing.
00:05:56.000 At what point does it magically become a human?
00:05:58.000 When it can survive outside of the womb.
00:06:00.000 Got it.
00:06:01.000 So viability.
00:06:02.000 So a baby born in NICU that requires assistance from a dialysis machine or breathing machine, is that a human being?
00:06:07.000 Sure, yeah.
00:06:08.000 But I thought you said it can't survive on its own outside of the womb.
00:06:10.000 That is a different thing.
00:06:12.000 No, it's not.
00:06:13.000 The point is that...
00:06:13.000 Hey, hey, hey, hey.
00:06:14.000 What I said was...
00:06:16.000 Final question.
00:06:17.000 Final question.
00:06:18.000 If a mom finds out she's having a Down syndrome baby, should she be allowed to terminate it? 1.00
00:06:25.000 Yes.
00:06:26.000 You see, we have disagreement.
00:06:27.000 I think Down Syndrome kids are a gift from the Lord and some of the most happy, joyful kids that should not be cast aside and terminated just because you get a blood test that you don't like.
00:06:37.000 Thank you very much for your question.
00:06:38.000 We obviously don't agree.
00:06:39.000 I am Poppy.
00:06:40.000 I am the creator of Mantis Girl.
00:06:42.000 I'm an ex-sex worker.
00:06:44.000 Sheer pronouns.
00:06:46.000 Anyways, I think that there's a really big issue when it comes to keeping Are kids safe?
00:06:55.000 There's a lot of predators on the Internet, and I don't think we as a society are doing enough to keep our kids safe.
00:07:03.000 So what do you think about that?
00:07:07.000 I agree.
00:07:09.000 So do you think that there's any things that we should implement in order to keep our kids safe?
00:07:15.000 Because I don't think there's enough.
00:07:17.000 Well, I guess one question I would have for you is, do you think that graphic transgender curriculum should be taught to kids?
00:07:26.000 Graphic transgender curriculum.
00:07:29.000 I think there's a...
00:07:31.000 A big importance of teaching sexual education, just so we could teach our kids what to stay away from on the internet. 0.87
00:07:37.000 Because we are allowing our kids onto very dangerous websites, and they don't know what to stay away from.
00:07:44.000 So yes, I mean, I think we can agree on that, but he's great.
00:07:47.000 So, do you have another question?
00:07:49.000 I think that the system for trans people to get hormonal therapy is pretty messed up because there's a lot of people who lie their way through therapy and then they end up regretting it in the future.
00:08:05.000 Can we agree and have common ground maybe that minors should not be able to receive those drugs?
00:08:12.000 Don't speak for Poppy.
00:08:14.000 I disagree.
00:08:18.000 I think...
00:08:19.000 Don't boo Poppy. 1.00
00:08:21.000 I think therapy should be more open.
00:08:24.000 Because people are encouraged to lie, both from the transgender community and from the healthcare system. 0.99
00:08:31.000 And it's destroying kids.
00:08:33.000 The therapy, though, that involves drugs or surgery should be reserved to adults.
00:08:37.000 I think hormonal blockers should be legal no matter what.
00:08:43.000 Hormonal therapy, I think it's much more debatable.
00:08:49.000 My position is that we should not give children something when they might be in a phase that could be irreversibly damaging to them.
00:08:58.000 If a kid is in a certain phase, especially a young lady, because 75% of all trans youth that receive hormonal therapy are young women, that we should probably say, hey, this is more of a brain issue than a body issue, and let's try to do counseling, let's try to do cognitive behavioral therapy, not try to say that we're going to butcher you irreversibly. 0.94
00:09:18.000 Therapy needs to be much more accessible.
00:09:20.000 It is terrible.
00:09:21.000 We agree.
00:09:22.000 Okay, thank you, Poppy.
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00:10:31.000 So first I'd like to kind of talk about what you just did, about the $750 thing.
00:10:36.000 That was funded through the federal government in the Senate, which Trump has controlled.
00:10:43.000 So I don't really see how we can equate that to the war in Ukraine, although I do agree that absolutely the war in Ukraine needs to stop.
00:10:51.000 We're sending too many resources there.
00:10:53.000 However, I don't believe that's fair to say.
00:10:56.000 However, my original question was, our country is so fraught with oppression, racism, and sexism.
00:11:06.000 And what I want to ask you is, if the entire campaign is about making America great again, when are we going back to?
00:11:18.000 1985 would be nice.
00:11:21.000 1985.
00:11:21.000 So, let's talk about wealth gaps.
00:11:25.000 White men make more money than women, more money than black men and black women. 0.82
00:11:30.000 Why is that?
00:11:31.000 Because there is a systemic racial wealth gap in education.
00:11:35.000 Let me finish, please.
00:11:36.000 I know your arguments before you give them, but sure, go ahead.
00:11:38.000 I'll put my mic down, you talk.
00:11:40.000 Thank you.
00:11:41.000 So there's disparities in education.
00:11:44.000 There's disparities in income.
00:11:47.000 There's disparities in how people were raised.
00:11:49.000 And those are because of systems that Americans have put into place through policy.
00:11:53.000 And that I think we need to be focusing on the future of America rather than going back in time where oppression was even more rampant than it is today.
00:12:01.000 We still have a lot to fix, but I just don't see how we can go back and say that it was a perfect America when obviously it wasn't.
00:12:11.000 No one says it's perfect, but let me ask you a question.
00:12:13.000 So, we have a disparity.
00:12:15.000 Yes, sir.
00:12:16.000 Is there any other explanation other than racism that might explain disparities?
00:12:21.000 I think there's a lot of systemic trials that affect people every day.
00:12:27.000 I think it's systemic, yes.
00:12:29.000 So, okay, since it's systemic, can you point to one law that favors a white person but hurts a black person?
00:12:36.000 That's the thing, though, right?
00:12:38.000 Is that it shouldn't be in the law.
00:12:40.000 It's not in our law, but it happens every day.
00:12:43.000 But then where is it?
00:12:45.000 Look around!
00:12:46.000 No, no, no, hold on.
00:12:47.000 No, you're talking about a disparity.
00:12:48.000 Show me a law or a system that is...
00:12:51.000 Show me a specific thing.
00:12:53.000 But I'm giving you examples of how...
00:12:55.000 Yes, I am, because that disparity is...
00:12:57.000 You know that there's other reasons that you have disparities other than racism.
00:13:01.000 Okay, well, can you explain those disparities to me?
00:13:03.000 For example, whether or not you have a father around you.
00:13:05.000 Yes.
00:13:05.000 And actually, we can look at that from a racial perspective.
00:13:09.000 Totally.
00:13:10.000 So let's try to figure it out.
00:13:11.000 Why is it that in 1965, 25% of black youth were raised by a single mom.
00:13:17.000 Now it's 70%.
00:13:18.000 What changed?
00:13:19.000 So, I mean, I think...
00:13:21.000 What?
00:13:23.000 Well, I mean, yeah, but what changed?
00:13:24.000 Like, what law made that happen?
00:13:27.000 I think people being more aware of racism and stuff.
00:13:32.000 Like, I think...
00:13:35.000 No, no, the fatherless rate went down, meaning only one out of four blacks in America right now have a dad around.
00:13:43.000 Why is that?
00:13:45.000 There are studies about African-American marriage and how the family institution is different than the average white American family.
00:13:56.000 We prioritize as the...
00:13:59.000 White American, we prioritize a nuclear family. 0.61
00:14:03.000 A family with a husband, a wife, kids, and a dog.
00:14:07.000 And that ideal family has been perpetrated throughout really centuries that those people are white. 0.81
00:14:14.000 And those people, that's the picture of what an ideal American family is.
00:14:18.000 Do you think we should have more black dads around? 1.00
00:14:20.000 I think that's an unfair question.
00:14:22.000 I don't think that's a fair question.
00:14:24.000 Because what you're saying is you're saying there's a difference between Of course there is.
00:14:30.000 There's a difference between, and by the way, you know who agrees with me?
00:14:32.000 Barack Obama.
00:14:33.000 Well, that's cool.
00:14:35.000 I'm not, I actually, I was a Trump supporter during the Obama campaign.
00:14:39.000 That's great, but that doesn't make any sense, because Trump wasn't running for president during the Obama campaign.
00:14:43.000 Well, I supported Obama after, or I supported Trump after Obama.
00:14:47.000 Okay, great.
00:14:48.000 So let me just be clear, though, just that according to Brookings Institution, which is a super left-wing Organization says that if you have a father around, you're less likely to go to jail, less likely to commit crimes, more likely to have raising wages.
00:15:01.000 And it's self-evidently true.
00:15:03.000 When you're raised by both a mom and a dad, you get the blend of masculine and feminine.
00:15:06.000 You get the blend of discipline and love.
00:15:08.000 No, but that's what I'm saying.
00:15:09.000 That's the nuclear family. 0.82
00:15:10.000 No, you're right.
00:15:11.000 It's the best standard for living.
00:15:14.000 But is it?
00:15:15.000 Yes.
00:15:15.000 Show me a better one.
00:15:16.000 But I'm telling you...
00:15:18.000 No, no, show me.
00:15:18.000 Burden of proof on you.
00:15:19.000 Show me a better way to raise people.
00:15:21.000 I'm just saying that there are other ways, like, a parent...
00:15:25.000 What ways work better?
00:15:26.000 Be specific.
00:15:28.000 Okay.
00:15:28.000 Well, if we're going to do this, let me get back to my original question, which you have yet to answer.
00:15:32.000 No, no, no, no.
00:15:33.000 What?
00:15:33.000 No, but it's true.
00:15:34.000 You have not yet to answer it.
00:15:36.000 Because it all comes back to dads.
00:15:37.000 Okay.
00:15:38.000 No, it does.
00:15:39.000 Let me ask you a question.
00:15:40.000 Do you think that systemic racism or dads not being around, which one's a bigger issue in America?
00:15:45.000 Systemic racism.
00:15:47.000 Absolutely.
00:15:48.000 I think systemic racism has more of a violent...
00:15:53.000 Can I? No, but be specific.
00:15:56.000 How do I know when I see systemic racism?
00:15:58.000 How do I get rid of it?
00:15:59.000 I already told you.
00:16:00.000 No, but what law is systemically racist?
00:16:01.000 Is there one?
00:16:03.000 Not that I can think of off the top of my head.
00:16:05.000 But I thought it's in our systems.
00:16:06.000 There must be a law.
00:16:07.000 I want to get rid of it.
00:16:08.000 Our systems are only legal systems, though.
00:16:10.000 Our systems are healthcare.
00:16:11.000 Our systems are the family.
00:16:13.000 Those are institutions.
00:16:14.000 Hold on.
00:16:14.000 Is it legal to discriminate against someone based on their race in America?
00:16:18.000 It's not legal, but it happens all the time.
00:16:20.000 No, it doesn't.
00:16:21.000 Yes, it does.
00:16:21.000 Oh, you're right.
00:16:21.000 White people get discriminated against every day.
00:16:23.000 You're totally right.
00:16:24.000 Oh, no, that's not what I said.
00:16:26.000 That's not what I said.
00:16:27.000 No, you said people get discriminated against their skin color, and there is active discrimination against white people in this country far more than black Americans.
00:16:33.000 What? 0.94
00:16:34.000 That is a crazy statement.
00:16:36.000 Wait, hold on.
00:16:37.000 That is a crazy statement.
00:16:38.000 Let me give you an example. 0.97
00:16:39.000 To go into college, if you're a black American, your test scores are 30% lower and you get in there. 0.95
00:16:44.000 If you want a job in corporate America, you have a seat at the table. 0.89
00:16:47.000 How much are you being paid if you're in a corporate table versus black? 0.93
00:16:51.000 No, you're not.
00:16:52.000 Actually, black Americans are on par if they studied the same thing in the same job environment.
00:16:56.000 That is not true.
00:16:57.000 That is literally not true.
00:16:58.000 Here's the essence of it.
00:16:59.000 I think it's so interesting.
00:17:00.000 You see a disparity, so you see a gap, and you scream racism.
00:17:05.000 No, that's not what I'm doing.
00:17:07.000 Yes, you have, actually.
00:17:08.000 No, but look, look.
00:17:10.000 I'm trying to examine what the disparities are.
00:17:15.000 Causes and effects, right?
00:17:15.000 Yes, exactly.
00:17:16.000 So let me finish.
00:17:16.000 So we take a Thomas Sowell view.
00:17:18.000 You know Thomas Sowell, right?
00:17:20.000 Yes.
00:17:21.000 Who is Thomas Sowell?
00:17:22.000 I don't know.
00:17:24.000 Go ahead.
00:17:25.000 Well, hold on.
00:17:25.000 How could you even...
00:17:27.000 Go ahead with your point.
00:17:28.000 But, okay, it's a great book called Discrimination and Disparities, where he argues that it is an immature view to act, wow, there's a disparity, it must be racism.
00:17:36.000 There are hundreds of other contributing factors.
00:17:38.000 Let me give you an example.
00:17:39.000 You ever heard of firstborn privilege?
00:17:41.000 Yes, I have.
00:17:42.000 So firstborn privilege is that if you are the firstborn kid, you're more likely to have a higher income, more likely to gain wealth, less likely to go to prison just because you got more attention from your family.
00:17:50.000 How about this?
00:17:51.000 How about coastal and river privilege?
00:17:53.000 You ever heard of this one?
00:17:53.000 I've never heard of that.
00:17:54.000 If you are close to a body of water, it's more likely that your city is rich because you're a port of entry, you have more tourists.
00:17:59.000 So people born in Miami or Philadelphia are actually richer than people in Topeka, Kansas, just because they're inland.
00:18:05.000 What I'm getting at is there are hundreds of other explanations.
00:18:08.000 Absolutely.
00:18:09.000 More than just systemic racism.
00:18:11.000 Oh, I absolutely agree.
00:18:12.000 And the biggest of which is when you have kids that are being raised without dads, you're setting them up on a course for permanent failure.
00:18:20.000 And I agree, like, there's a whole array of issues, but I do think racism is an issue that we need to address and shouldn't be covered up by other issues.
00:18:30.000 Give me an example of racism in America that is macro, not micro.
00:18:36.000 I mean, you're going over the same endless circle.
00:18:41.000 Give me a macro example of racism that affects all people. 0.99
00:18:45.000 Not just one person being a jerk to another. 0.97
00:18:48.000 Give me a macro example of racism. 0.99
00:18:50.000 The gender wealth gap.
00:18:53.000 That's a disparity.
00:18:55.000 That's not racism.
00:18:55.000 Racism is an action, not a result.
00:18:57.000 You've got to show me an action.
00:19:00.000 Redline, it doesn't exist anymore.
00:19:02.000 Show me an action.
00:19:02.000 Yes, it does!
00:19:03.000 No, it doesn't.
00:19:03.000 It's illegal under 500 different banking laws.
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00:20:10.000 Show me an example right now of a racist law, a racist custom.
00:20:15.000 No, show me anything.
00:20:16.000 Macro.
00:20:16.000 Okay, so I graduated from Greenville, North Carolina.
00:20:23.000 The Brown v. 0.85
00:20:25.000 Board of Education banned segregation.
00:20:28.000 My school did not complete the fully integrated status until like 2016.
00:20:36.000 So the dragging feet of our systems, like, that's an example of it, because that keeps perpetuating these problems that, sure, don't only have to do with racism, but racism is a part.
00:20:51.000 No, okay, so I got macro.
00:20:53.000 You even said brown beef education got rid of segregation.
00:20:55.000 Yes, but what I'm saying is that the actual, like, processes of getting rid of segregation took a long time, and that is systemic.
00:21:06.000 Both black communities and white communities resisted integration in certain neighborhoods.
00:21:10.000 Is that correct, right?
00:21:11.000 So it's not just the white person.
00:21:12.000 A lot of black communities are like, whoa, we don't want to go to those schools. 1.00
00:21:14.000 But why would they not want to?
00:21:17.000 Okay, so actually, let's find some common ground.
00:21:18.000 I think that this is interesting.
00:21:20.000 Do you think that on over 130 college campuses, there are things called black-only dormitories?
00:21:25.000 Do you think that that is a good thing or a bad thing?
00:21:28.000 I think it's hard because I think it's important for people to have...
00:21:33.000 Let me please finish.
00:21:34.000 I feel like...
00:21:35.000 You just said segregation was wrong.
00:21:36.000 No, it is, but that's not segregation.
00:21:39.000 Black-only... 0.96
00:21:40.000 Can I finish my thought?
00:21:44.000 Can I finish my thought, please?
00:21:52.000 Guys, half of you are in white only sororities. 0.74
00:21:55.000 Let's...
00:21:55.000 Okay, no, but hold on.
00:21:56.000 So, let's...
00:21:57.000 Let's...
00:21:58.000 Let's...
00:21:59.000 Okay.
00:22:02.000 Please finish your thought.
00:22:04.000 I'm just waiting.
00:22:06.000 Okay, so my thought is I think it's important for people who face oppression to have communities like them.
00:22:14.000 I'm not saying that white people shouldn't be allowed in there or black people shouldn't be allowed.
00:22:18.000 That's not what I'm saying.
00:22:19.000 That's not what I said.
00:22:20.000 That's not what I ever said.
00:22:21.000 I said that people who face oppression every single day sometimes need the community of people who are also oppressed.
00:22:30.000 That's all I'm saying.
00:22:32.000 Got it.
00:22:32.000 So what law is oppressing black people?
00:22:34.000 You've asked this 400 times.
00:22:36.000 Because your whole argument is built on a mythology.
00:22:42.000 It's not a mythology, though.
00:22:43.000 Look at every day.
00:22:45.000 No, no, no.
00:22:45.000 Let me be more specific.
00:22:46.000 What is oppressing black people?
00:22:48.000 Education, family.
00:22:50.000 Because, think about the graduation rates. 0.83
00:22:53.000 Graduation rates are lower for black people. 0.54
00:22:55.000 Because they don't have dads around. 0.90
00:22:57.000 You see, you cannot...
00:22:59.000 I think that in itself is ignoring a bigger issue.
00:23:01.000 You're focusing on effects.
00:23:02.000 I'm focusing on causes, and your argument is built on causes, and then you go to effects.
00:23:07.000 So causes is racism as an action.
00:23:09.000 So you have to give me examples of causes, not just go to effects.
00:23:13.000 Yes.
00:23:13.000 Because there's other explanations for effects.
00:23:16.000 So, for example, if you were to say, Charlie, it's illegal for a black person to go to a gas station.
00:23:20.000 In the 1950s, your argument would have been correct. 1.00
00:23:22.000 So you have to give me causes.
00:23:24.000 You just can't go to effects and change the argument.
00:23:26.000 Okay.
00:23:27.000 Does that make sense?
00:23:28.000 Yeah. 0.93
00:23:28.000 So tell me one thing that is oppressing a black person as an effect. 0.93
00:23:32.000 I think that...
00:23:34.000 As a cause, I'm sorry.
00:23:35.000 As a cause.
00:23:36.000 I really, I still think, like, education.
00:23:39.000 Like, that is a system.
00:23:40.000 How so?
00:23:40.000 So, are black individuals given scholarships at this school?
00:23:44.000 Yes, absolutely.
00:23:45.000 But look...
00:23:45.000 Yeah, more than white people.
00:23:47.000 But look at graduation rates.
00:23:48.000 But look at graduation rates.
00:23:50.000 So why is it that graduation rates are lower for black individuals?
00:23:54.000 Because dads aren't around putting pressure on the same school.
00:23:56.000 And, unfortunately, because affirmative action, unfortunately, more and more black individuals are going to colleges that they're not qualified for.
00:24:03.000 Because the criteria is lowered for them.
00:24:06.000 And so then you get lower graduation rates.
00:24:08.000 That's not racism.
00:24:09.000 It's a broken system.
00:24:10.000 I think this is a slippery slope.
00:24:13.000 No, it's not.
00:24:14.000 No, because this is so important because you came up and you said systemic racism and oppression.
00:24:18.000 I need examples of causes of those things.
00:24:21.000 The causes of those things are so deeply ingrained.
00:24:25.000 But how do I know it when I see it?
00:24:28.000 How do I know racism?
00:24:30.000 When your wife, not necessarily your wife, but when someone you know kind of hides their purse when there's a black person there. 0.89
00:24:37.000 There are those tiny little... 0.94
00:24:39.000 Or you lock the door.
00:24:41.000 All your moms do it. 1.00
00:24:42.000 Like, be so for real.
00:24:44.000 But I feel like people do do it.
00:24:47.000 But...
00:24:48.000 She's calling you guys all racist is what she's doing. 0.96
00:24:50.000 No, I'm not.
00:24:52.000 It's actually kind of funny that I'm 18 years old and you're whatever.
00:24:55.000 But I... But I... I'm going to try to let you off mercifully.
00:25:02.000 It is very basic to say racism, all this.
00:25:06.000 But I have hard pressed you.
00:25:07.000 So in life you have effects.
00:25:09.000 So for example, let me give you a...
00:25:11.000 If all of a sudden I saw a dead body and you're like, dead body racism.
00:25:15.000 No, no, no.
00:25:15.000 You have to show me...
00:25:17.000 How the cause led to that.
00:25:18.000 It could be dead body racism.
00:25:20.000 It could be KKK lynching somebody.
00:25:22.000 However, you need to go back to the cause.
00:25:24.000 So you say, hey, disparity of wealth, disparity of this and all that.
00:25:27.000 Those are all effects.
00:25:28.000 So what I need is I need individualized and metered causes that can determinatively say that those effects are caused by racism.
00:25:36.000 Because when not, you're dealing with incredibly complex systems.
00:25:40.000 You're dealing with hundreds of millions of people that are communicating millions of times a day with lots of different input factors.
00:25:47.000 And racism is just an easy cop-out that is impossible to prove.
00:25:51.000 Does that make sense?
00:25:52.000 Because you can't give me a single example.
00:25:55.000 But there are examples.
00:25:57.000 Then give me one.
00:25:58.000 I've given you so many throughout this entire thing.
00:26:01.000 Okay, we're not going to...
00:26:03.000 You've given me effects, not causes.
00:26:05.000 Okay, we're clearly not going to come to a agreement.
00:26:08.000 But I appreciate you talking to me.
00:26:10.000 Let me ask you just one last question.
00:26:13.000 So, kind of back to the black dormitory thing.
00:26:15.000 Do we agree that no human being should be discriminated against based on their race?
00:26:19.000 Absolutely.
00:26:20.000 So we should repeal affirmative action and say that we're only going to hire people based on merit, not on race?
00:26:25.000 Yes.
00:26:26.000 Great, we can appeal affirmative action.
00:26:27.000 I think that's an awesome step forward.
00:26:29.000 I just want to start this out.
00:26:30.000 I am unaffiliated, but I am a Christian who believes in the right to an abortion.
00:26:35.000 And a lot of the things that you were talking about with her, I really had a lot of answers for that.
00:26:40.000 So, the reason I actually wrote this down on a notebook, of course, I was prepared.
00:26:45.000 So, the reason why I believe the right to an abortion, why, just anyone, if you feel that's what you need to do, then you should do it, because Matthew 7, 1 says, do not judge or you too will be judged.
00:26:57.000 Although Jesus does tell us to tell people, do not sin, it's not our place to judge them, you know?
00:27:02.000 And then another thing that I wanted to bring up, this is crazy, but also the time, I just really wanna know why you feel that abortion should be illegal.
00:27:13.000 Do you think murder should be illegal?
00:27:17.000 Murder is illegal.
00:27:19.000 So you think it should be?
00:27:20.000 Do you think it should be illegal?
00:27:22.000 I just feel like there's a big difference between a living, breathing human and then a fetus that is inside of another human's body.
00:27:29.000 Fair enough, what is the difference?
00:27:31.000 The difference is a fetus is inside of the body.
00:27:34.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:27:35.000 It can't live on its own.
00:27:36.000 Got it.
00:27:39.000 Let's go through a couple questions there.
00:27:43.000 Why does somebody's location determine their moral worth?
00:27:47.000 It doesn't, but it's simply about the fact that if you feel like that's what you need to do with your body, then that's what you do.
00:27:53.000 Hold on a second.
00:27:55.000 If it's not your DNA, how is it your body?
00:28:00.000 It is your DNA. No, it's not.
00:28:02.000 It's a part of you.
00:28:03.000 It's growing in you.
00:28:03.000 It's connected to you by an umbilical cord.
00:28:05.000 It is a part of you.
00:28:06.000 One second.
00:28:07.000 It's attached.
00:28:07.000 A part.
00:28:08.000 It's attached.
00:28:09.000 Hold on a second.
00:28:10.000 It's attached, not a part.
00:28:12.000 Same thing.
00:28:12.000 No, it's actually not.
00:28:13.000 A part, by definition, means it remains permanent.
00:28:17.000 Oh, okay.
00:28:17.000 Right?
00:28:18.000 Oh, okay.
00:28:18.000 So an attachment is something that is temporary.
00:28:21.000 And so you are not your mom's DNA. You're not your dad's DNA. You are new deoxyribonucleic acid.
00:28:27.000 So shouldn't we say that if it's not your DNA, it's not your choice?
00:28:33.000 I mean, you could say that, but I mean, really, this is...
00:28:36.000 I just don't understand how you can use religion to back up your point of...
00:28:40.000 I haven't used it once.
00:28:41.000 She brought up religion.
00:28:42.000 I'm happy to use a non-religious line of questioning. 0.95
00:28:44.000 We all agree murder is wrong.
00:28:46.000 Okay.
00:28:46.000 We all agree that it's a human homo sapien...
00:28:49.000 Do you agree that the death penalty is wrong?
00:28:51.000 Well, no, I'm actually in support of the death penalty because people do something that justifies that.
00:28:56.000 But that's a separate issue because the baby in utero did not go...
00:29:00.000 So what about the people who could possibly be proved innocent who have been awaiting their death sentence?
00:29:04.000 Fair enough.
00:29:05.000 That's a good argument.
00:29:06.000 But it's separate, right?
00:29:08.000 So there's been about 31 exonerations of post-tumulus people that have been exonerating the death penalty.
00:29:14.000 We're talking about a baby that did nothing wrong except exist.
00:29:17.000 Okay.
00:29:18.000 In utero.
00:29:18.000 And there's about 1.5 million of them that just get discarded every year.
00:29:21.000 So we agree murder is wrong.
00:29:23.000 We agree it's a homo sapien, meaning it's a human being.
00:29:26.000 Therefore, murder is the forcible termination of a homo sapien.
00:29:30.000 Therefore, shouldn't abortion be wrong? 0.99
00:29:31.000 And illegal.
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00:30:37.000 I still feel like it really, like, okay, for example.
00:30:40.000 But prove to me why.
00:30:41.000 You use an ABC logical equation, right?
00:30:44.000 So tell me under what standard, therefore, therefore.
00:30:46.000 Very simple, right?
00:30:47.000 You're in college.
00:30:48.000 You guys do this all the time, right?
00:30:49.000 I hope so.
00:30:50.000 So use an ABC, right?
00:30:52.000 Aristotelian logic, whatever you want to use.
00:30:54.000 Use an ABC sequence for me.
00:30:55.000 My reasoning?
00:30:56.000 Why I believe that abortion should be legal is because of instances like rape and incest, but I already know that your belief on that because you've already stated that if your daughter were to be raped at 10 years old, you would make her give birth to the baby. 0.79
00:31:07.000 Well, the baby would be delivered, and let me tell you why.
00:31:09.000 But first of all, let me try to find common ground.
00:31:12.000 If I say we will make rape and incest abortions legal and get rid of all the other abortions, would you agree with that? 0.98
00:31:19.000 Can you repeat that?
00:31:19.000 I'm so sorry.
00:31:20.000 If I say that we will allow abortions to continue for rape and incest life of the mother, but all other abortions should be illegal, which is 99.4% of the time, can we make those 99% of abortions illegal?
00:31:32.000 Yeah.
00:31:33.000 See, I don't believe that abortion should be used as a form of birth control.
00:31:36.000 So 99% of the time it is.
00:31:37.000 That's all that we're debating in the country right now.
00:31:39.000 So Charlie Kirk's position is a very fringe minority.
00:31:42.000 People are talking about still exceptions.
00:31:44.000 So we should get rid of 99% of abortions.
00:31:45.000 Yes, but at the same time...
00:31:47.000 So you're actually not that pro-choice, actually.
00:31:49.000 But I am because I feel like there's no way to kind of divide the basis of what abortion is being used as birth control and what abortion is being used.
00:31:58.000 Oh, it's totally easy, actually.
00:31:59.000 I mean, so you could tell through a DNA test if it's an incest baby.
00:32:03.000 You could tell if it's rape because they have to file a police report.
00:32:06.000 And you could tell life of the mother based on an OBGYN analysis.
00:32:10.000 Okay, so then if it's that easy, then why have we not done that?
00:32:13.000 Oh, because the American people don't support it.
00:32:15.000 Because abortion is popularly supported as a form of birth control.
00:32:18.000 That's why.
00:32:19.000 So your position is actually a very rational one, and I respect you for it.
00:32:23.000 99% of all abortions are done just because people want the baby gone.
00:32:28.000 99%.
00:32:28.000 That's not Charlie Kirk's numbers.
00:32:30.000 That's the Guttmacher Institute, which was funded by Planned Parenthood.
00:32:33.000 Okay.
00:32:34.000 So do you feel as though people who are victims of rape and incest, do you think that they should be able to get an abortion?
00:32:41.000 So just so we can agree on the 99%, then I'm going to try to win you over on the other percent.
00:32:44.000 Okay.
00:32:45.000 Got it.
00:32:45.000 So we're good on the 99?
00:32:47.000 Get rid of those abortions? 1.00
00:32:47.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:32:48.000 Okay, cool. 0.91
00:32:49.000 Somebody in this audience was conceived in rape.
00:32:51.000 Can you tell me who? 0.59
00:32:54.000 No.
00:32:55.000 No.
00:32:56.000 Why?
00:32:56.000 I thought that they're less human.
00:32:59.000 I never, those words never came out of my mouth. 0.99
00:33:00.000 No, I know, but the insinuation of allowing rape for abortion is that they're not as human, therefore they should be murdered. 0.93
00:33:05.000 No, that's not, it's more about the mental toll that it would take on the mother to have that baby.
00:33:10.000 Oh, I totally acknowledge the mental toll, but shouldn't the human being conceived in rape still get human rights?
00:33:16.000 Yes, but it should be more up to the mother who has to carry the baby and who has to push it. 1.00
00:33:19.000 Well, hold on, let's play that out.
00:33:20.000 So, even though the mom has to push it, do you still have a right to terminate somebody?
00:33:25.000 Can you take away human rights if your life's going to get difficult to somebody else?
00:33:29.000 If somebody else is making your life difficult, can you take away their human rights?
00:33:33.000 No, but at the same time, that's where the question comes in, that it should be up between the patient and the doctor.
00:33:39.000 But why?
00:33:40.000 By what standard is that okay?
00:33:41.000 For example, if a single mom has two kids, and all of a sudden she loses her job, and one of the kids is super annoying and has a learning disability, should she be able to murder that kid? 0.84
00:33:50.000 Because it's an inconvenience to her.
00:33:52.000 No.
00:33:52.000 No, of course not.
00:33:53.000 Not after.
00:33:53.000 But why is it that all of a sudden you get considered a human being after birth, but before birth you're not?
00:34:01.000 Because after birth, you're kind of living on your own.
00:34:04.000 You're not in the mother's body.
00:34:05.000 No, you're not.
00:34:05.000 Hold on.
00:34:06.000 I have a six-month-old.
00:34:07.000 My baby is not living on its own.
00:34:08.000 Not living on its own, but it can breathe on its own.
00:34:10.000 Hold on a second.
00:34:11.000 Over half a million babies every year are born in NICU, which is a prenatal assistance, breathing assistance, digestive assistance.
00:34:21.000 And so are they not human because they have any viability?
00:34:25.000 The point is that the standard doesn't apply, right?
00:34:27.000 Let me ask you one more hypothetical, and it's a good question.
00:34:30.000 Then I'll do a Christian one because you say you're a Christian on that.
00:34:33.000 I have two ultrasounds. 0.99
00:34:35.000 One ultrasound is a baby that was conceived in rape.
00:34:37.000 The other ultrasound is a baby conceived in a loving relationship.
00:34:40.000 Which one is which?
00:34:41.000 There's no difference, you're right.
00:34:45.000 There's no difference in the physical appearance of it, but the complete difference is the mental toll that it would take on the mother and the person who has to carry the baby for nine months.
00:34:52.000 Hold on, let's be clear.
00:34:53.000 There's a mental toll when you have an abortion too, so it's not as if it's a get out of jail card.
00:34:56.000 No, I completely understand that.
00:34:58.000 So it's a tough, difficult, horrible situation, but shouldn't we be that the worst outcome after an evil is to just murder the being?
00:35:08.000 Why punish the baby for the crime of some guy that raped the mother?
00:35:12.000 Why all of a sudden have two victims unnecessarily? 0.71
00:35:15.000 Well, okay, let's say the mother who was raped birthed the baby.
00:35:19.000 What if she hates the baby?
00:35:21.000 What if she just cannot care for the baby? 0.99
00:35:22.000 What if the baby comes out and she hates the baby because she got raped? 1.00
00:35:25.000 Well, there are two million families right now waiting to adopt children.
00:35:29.000 Okay.
00:35:30.000 So put it up for adoption.
00:35:31.000 There are two million loving families that can't find kids.
00:35:34.000 I just find that very interesting because the adoption process is actually very difficult in America.
00:35:38.000 It is difficult.
00:35:39.000 We can make it easier.
00:35:40.000 But again, the issue is that there is a demand of families that want the babies.
00:35:46.000 Okay, and my last question that you had started to answer, but you didn't answer what you said you were going to, was why, if your daughter were to be impregnated by rape, why would you force her to have the baby?
00:35:57.000 Well, first of all, because we don't murder in our family.
00:35:59.000 Okay.
00:36:00.000 Would you murder in your family?
00:36:01.000 No, but at the same time, I've done a little bit of research, and I just wanted to let you know that the chance of a 10-year-old surviving giving birth, her and her baby, is below 10%.
00:36:10.000 So in reality, if you want your child to have a baby at 10 years old...
00:36:14.000 You're interrupting.
00:36:14.000 You're not pro-birth.
00:36:16.000 I mean, you're not pro-life.
00:36:17.000 You're pro-birth.
00:36:18.000 Okay, again, to be very clear, I said if there was no issue with the mother's health.
00:36:24.000 And understand, this is an extreme, hyper-personal example that someone used.
00:36:29.000 And I'm happy to own it, but let's just be clear.
00:36:33.000 Why is that example getting people so fired up?
00:36:36.000 Because it's easy to say that you can murder a baby if it's small and that it's just a quote-unquote a clump of cells.
00:36:42.000 No, I think that one instance got people so fired up because the age of your daughter and just because of the likelihood that she would survive and the baby would survive.
00:36:50.000 No, my answer was that if there were no medical complications.
00:36:53.000 You don't even remember the full answer.
00:36:55.000 Why does the age matter?
00:36:56.000 Tell me why all of a sudden the age of the carrier matters.
00:36:59.000 Because that improves the infant mortality rate.
00:37:04.000 The older you are, the more likely you are to be able to carry a baby to term.
00:37:09.000 The younger you are, the higher the infant and mother mortality rate goes.
00:37:13.000 I said with no other medical issues, though.
00:37:16.000 I'm curious, though.
00:37:18.000 Because with age comes medical issues with birth.
00:37:21.000 I said with no other medical issues, though, so you have to understand the preface there. 0.86
00:37:24.000 I want to understand, though, maybe you can help me understand, why the women of America are so enthusiastic about the right to be able to kill preborn babies. 0.99
00:37:35.000 Help me understand.
00:37:36.000 I think it's more of just the ability to be able to do what you feel is necessary for your body.
00:37:42.000 I think that's right.
00:37:42.000 It's narcissism.
00:37:45.000 I think you're totally right.
00:37:46.000 It is weaponized medical narcissism.
00:37:49.000 I'm in charge of the world.
00:37:51.000 No, I'm in charge of my body.
00:37:53.000 Not in charge of the world, but of my body.
00:37:55.000 Makes sense.
00:37:56.000 So even though it's not your body and it's a different body in you, I'm the most important thing.
00:38:01.000 And that makes sense because you just connected the dots.
00:38:03.000 We have the most narcissistic female generation in history, and abortion is the culmination in that. 1.00
00:38:09.000 Thank you for connecting the dots.
00:38:11.000 Thank you.
00:38:12.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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