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00:00:31.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:33.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:35.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:38.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:41.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:43.000 He's an incredible guy.

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00:01:29.000 It's great to have everybody here.

00:01:31.000 By the way, I have two of my favorite people on today, just so you guys know.

00:01:34.000 I like both of these guys.

00:01:35.000 I think both of them were very, very important in the 2024 election that took place.

00:01:43.000 There was plenty of moments with Chris being all over the place with his commentary, whether it was at the DNC calling everybody out, whether it's calling out the candidates, whether it's calling out, whether it's being fair, having a moment with J.D. Vance and Trump calls in, whether it's the phone call after the assassination attempt.

00:02:00.000 I think Chris was a mensch in the 2024 election that took place. 0.83

00:02:05.000 It was great watching you, the work you did with News Nation.

00:02:08.000 Phenomenal, phenomenal work you guys did out there.

00:02:10.000 I applaud you and the group.

00:02:11.000 And then on Charlie Kirk, I have a list.

00:02:14.000 And we are trying to put this list together.

00:02:17.000 And I need your help to see where you would put this guy.

00:02:20.000 Because one thing about Charlie, you guys got an opportunity.

00:02:22.000 I'm going to reveal something he loves.

00:02:24.000 I've never met anybody in my life that loves compliments more than Charlie.

00:02:28.000 Charlie may be number one in compliments.

00:02:30.000 So if you're watching this, go on Twitter.

00:02:32.000 Give Charlie a compliment.

00:02:33.000 Say, Charlie, we love you.

00:02:34.000 You're amazing.

00:02:35.000 You're this, you're that.

00:02:36.000 But I made a list.

00:02:37.000 And here's what the list was.

00:02:39.000 The top 10 influencers in Trump getting elected in 2024.

00:02:43.000 Okay?

00:02:44.000 I have Musk as one.

00:02:45.000 And then from there, I don't have a ranking.

00:02:48.000 The only one that I have as one, I think it's Musk.

00:02:50.000 Musk coming out and doing what he did.

00:02:51.000 Everybody else.

00:02:53.000 I have Tucker, played a very important role with the Alliance.

00:02:56.000 I have Dana behind closed doors, doing what he did to a rally.

00:03:00.000 I have Rogan.

00:03:02.000 What he did the last week was monumental for him to get the independent voters.

00:03:06.000 I have Tulsi.

00:03:07.000 I have Bobby.

00:03:09.000 I have Vivek.

00:03:10.000 I have J.D. Vance in a big way.

00:03:12.000 J.D. played a very important role because I was a doubter myself at first.

00:03:15.000 I'm like, you have many different options.

00:03:17.000 Why him?

00:03:18.000 And then he won everybody over, including myself.

00:03:21.000 I'm just being open about it.

00:03:23.000 I can't believe how talented and capable he is.

00:03:27.000 Laura Trump.

00:03:28.000 I got Barron.

00:03:29.000 And I got Charlie McIntyre.

00:03:31.000 And Charlie Kirk, to me, I have it in top ten, but I have you in my top five.

00:03:37.000 But I think, folks, over the next decade, two, three, four, five decades to come, I think Charlie's going to be one of the most top three, sometimes one or two, most formidable voices in politics for decades to come.

00:03:53.000 And by the way, criticize me for it.

00:03:56.000 Say stuff.

00:03:56.000 But stick around.

00:03:57.000 You'll see what this guy's going to be doing.

00:03:59.000 I'm watching his TikTok account when he's going out there sitting with kids and challenging them and bringing other people and you're having those conversations.

00:04:06.000 And then the debates, the conversations you're having with people that want to challenge you, going to the youth.

00:04:12.000 People don't want to do that.

00:04:13.000 People are waiting for them to come to him.

00:04:15.000 Charlie's going to them.

00:04:16.000 Incredible job.

00:04:17.000 You've done the last 12 months.

00:04:18.000 I gave you a compliment last week, and I gave it on the podcast with Laura as well.

00:04:21.000 It's great to have both of you guys on the podcast today.

00:04:24.000 Thank you, PBD. Nice to meet you.

00:04:25.000 You too, man.

00:04:25.000 It's the first time you guys are meeting, right?

00:04:27.000 So I just want you to know, guys, before camera, we're acting right now.

00:04:30.000 They were fighting, they were cursing each other, right?

00:04:32.000 It was the first time I heard Charlie drop the F-bomb to Chris.

00:04:35.000 I'm like, Chris, Charlie, hold back a little bit, bro.

00:04:37.000 Like, don't bring out the gangster in you.

00:04:39.000 But no, I'm actually being sarcastic.

00:04:41.000 But we're going to have a civil conversation and a debate here today.

00:04:43.000 While we're going through it, I have a lot of issues that I want to cover.

00:04:47.000 Five things you need to know about Suzy Wiles, political. 1.00

00:04:49.000 I want to know more.

00:04:50.000 You guys can educate me.

00:04:51.000 Who is she? 0.99

00:04:51.000 What has she done? 0.99

00:04:52.000 I know the Summerall father, all this stuff.

00:04:54.000 All the appointees, all the names that's coming out, right?

00:04:57.000 You know, you got Lee Zeldin, Marco Rubio, Lisa Stefanik, Mike Walsh, all these names that are coming out.

00:05:05.000 You know, Stephen Miller, I think, was even announced last night, if I'm not mistaken.

00:05:09.000 On the policy side, not the cabinet side.

00:05:10.000 On the policy side.

00:05:12.000 And I want to hear all those things as we go through it.

00:05:14.000 Powell.

00:05:15.000 Can Trump fire Powell?

00:05:17.000 Powell said, I'm not stepping out no matter what happens.

00:05:19.000 That's another discussion.

00:05:20.000 And the Fed must talk about that.

00:05:22.000 FEMA, what happened over there with FEMA? You know, the conversations that FEMA's got to report directly to the president, not to some other institution or another.

00:05:30.000 We'll talk about that as well.

00:05:32.000 Pentagon officials discussing how to respond if Trump issues controversial orders.

00:05:36.000 A host, one of the pundits on CNN responded to it.

00:05:39.000 I want to play that clip for you.

00:05:40.000 Young voters.

00:05:41.000 I'm going to talk about Barron.

00:05:43.000 I want to talk about the CNN guests clashing in a heated debate over transphobia, which was very weird to me.

00:05:49.000 We'll talk about that.

00:05:50.000 Mark Cuban apparently deleted some of his pro-Kamala Harris tweets.

00:05:55.000 You did a phenomenal show that one night with him, with Dana White, with all those guys.

00:05:58.000 So I want your thoughts on that.

00:06:00.000 Bitcoin, the results, what's happened since Trump got elected.

00:06:03.000 Oil industry, Harris' campaign, some numbers came out about how much they paid Beyonce, how much they paid all these guys.

00:06:10.000 If that's true, that, I mean, again, I want to get your thoughts on that.

00:06:13.000 Rogan saying Harris' campaign wanted topic restrictions for interview issues.

00:06:18.000 And then a few other things that Elon apparently knew way before it was done.

00:06:22.000 And then China issues warning to Trump.

00:06:23.000 Anyways, these are all the things that I got.

00:06:25.000 But listen, I wanted to make sure we take a moment to recognize somebody.

00:06:31.000 I think this is very important because even though Kamala lost, we wanted to take a moment and create some merch on her behalf because I know it matters to her.

00:06:40.000 Rob, if you can, because, listen, right now it's what?

00:06:42.000 What is today?

00:06:43.000 Right now it's November.

00:06:44.000 Can you give me the date, Rob?

00:06:45.000 It's the 12th today, right?

00:06:47.000 Yeah.

00:06:48.000 Thanksgiving's around the corner.

00:06:50.000 Christmas is around the corner.

00:06:51.000 There was a moment that Kamala was uncomfortable saying Merry Christmas.

00:06:54.000 She wanted her to say Happy Holidays.

00:06:55.000 Rob, can you play this clip?

00:06:56.000 Go ahead and play this clip for the audience.

00:06:58.000 Go ahead.

00:06:58.000 And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry Christmas and wish each other Merry Christmas, these children are not going to have a Merry Christmas.

00:07:08.000 How dare we speak Merry Christmas?

00:07:11.000 How dare we?

00:07:12.000 Okay, you can pause it right there.

00:07:14.000 So guess what?

00:07:15.000 I want to say Merry Christmas this Christmas.

00:07:17.000 Very simple.

00:07:18.000 And if you are confident enough to say it as well, we had a very deep discussion.

00:07:24.000 Because not everybody that works here is Christian.

00:07:26.000 We say, listen guys, we want to create merch that's very bold, that says Merry Christmas with maybe some scripture in it.

00:07:33.000 Let's see if we have an audience for it.

00:07:34.000 Pat, I don't know if it's a good idea and all this other stuff.

00:07:36.000 That's what I stand for.

00:07:37.000 You want it?

00:07:37.000 Great.

00:07:38.000 You don't want it?

00:07:38.000 I totally get it.

00:07:39.000 But if you're watching this, And you want to get a Merry Christmas hat, you go to Starbucks and you got the sun.

00:07:44.000 I just want to see the reaction.

00:07:45.000 You smile.

00:07:46.000 You go to work, you got a Merry Christmas hat.

00:07:48.000 You got to take that hat off, right?

00:07:50.000 Hey, you want another hat here?

00:07:51.000 You want some of the ugly sweaters that we have here, Rob?

00:07:53.000 Can you show some of the stuff that we got here?

00:07:55.000 You want to get some of the stuff for your kids, shirts, future looks bright.

00:07:59.000 Merry Christmas gear is officially here.

00:08:02.000 And if you're bold enough to do it and order it, and again, you place any orders of these, we're going to put some future Looks Bright ornaments in the order for you.

00:08:12.000 Limited edition custom that we have for the first hundred that placed the order.

00:08:15.000 If you're bold enough and you're comfortable going out there telling people Merry Christmas and you're a valutainer that believes the future Looks Bright, Go place an order.

00:08:25.000 And let's make some people uncomfortable or comfortable this Christmas with saying Merry Christmas.

00:08:30.000 Having said that, let's get right into it.

00:08:32.000 Charlie.

00:08:32.000 And by the way, we can go to VT Merch to place the order.

00:08:34.000 I'm coming to you first.

00:08:36.000 It's the night.

00:08:38.000 Everyone's doing the live.

00:08:40.000 You call in.

00:08:41.000 I say, Chris, where you at?

00:08:42.000 I think it's over.

00:08:44.000 Rasmussen, Mitchell calls in.

00:08:46.000 I think it's over, right?

00:08:47.000 The moment that you knew it was over, there's a clip of you, right?

00:08:53.000 And if you want to play this clip, Rob, on what happened here.

00:08:57.000 I see this clip.

00:08:58.000 I loved it because it's so organic and you don't want to do it, but it's just happening and your team caught it.

00:09:04.000 Rob, can you play this clip of Charlie reacting to the results?

00:09:08.000 Fox News decides Donald Trump is president of the United States.

00:09:13.000 We've got our republic back, folks.

00:09:18.000 Let's go!

00:09:20.000 There it is.

00:09:25.000 Everybody should remember this moment.

00:09:27.000 Look, I'm going to echo Charlie from earlier.

00:09:30.000 Remember where you were when this happened.

00:09:32.000 Remember where you were when you realized that the Uniparty and all these, you know, just the establishment, you said it's time to actually participate.

00:09:42.000 And look what you guys have done.

00:09:44.000 And if anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes, it's Charlie.

00:09:49.000 I think we all agree.

00:09:50.000 No one has worked harder than Charlie for this.

00:09:55.000 Charlie, we gotta hear some words here from you, Charlie.

00:09:58.000 You put all this together, my man.

00:09:59.000 Let's hear it.

00:10:00.000 I am just humbled by God.

00:10:03.000 It's all God.

00:10:05.000 It's all God.

00:10:06.000 God alone.

00:10:09.000 Charlie, what's going through your mind?

00:10:12.000 Yeah, well, from January 2021 to that moment, we dedicated our entire life to get Donald Trump back to the White House.

00:10:21.000 I want people to remember the context of that.

00:10:23.000 That was after January 6th.

00:10:24.000 Donald Trump was basically in political exile, and we dug out of what would be the greatest political hole in modern American history.

00:10:34.000 And especially this last year and a half, everything was just coming through me from not just how hard the president worked, but how hard we worked.

00:10:40.000 I mean, we traveled the country nonstop, didn't see my family, did events in every corner.

00:10:44.000 The president was facing 700 years in federal prison.

00:10:47.000 They tried to take his business empire away from him.

00:10:49.000 And then, of course, he got shot and nearly shot again at the golf course.

00:10:52.000 And there was this kind of feeling of like, is this possible?

00:10:56.000 Are we going to do this?

00:10:58.000 And, you know, going into election night, we're almost built in with kind of this paranoia that there's no way this is actually going to materialize.

00:11:06.000 And I believe it was a God thing.

00:11:08.000 I believe that.

00:11:09.000 It's God shining His grace on this great country and is just overwhelmed in that moment.

00:11:16.000 It still really hasn't set in, to be honest.

00:11:18.000 Charlie, to the average person that's watching this, we know some of the stories that have come out from the moment it was announced that he's won.

00:11:25.000 What events have taken place the last few days?

00:11:27.000 I'm talking Qatar, Hamas. 1.00

00:11:28.000 What events have taken place just in the first week?

00:11:31.000 Well, it's incredible.

00:11:32.000 And by the way, I've been at Mar-a-Lago helping with some of the transition stuff too, which I'm sure we'll get into.

00:11:36.000 But I mean, just number one, a caravan has already broke itself up coming to – on the U.S. southern border.

00:11:41.000 Qatar has told Hamas you're no longer welcome in the – as kind of a vacation spot for terrorist hotbeds. 0.83

00:11:49.000 The European Union has announced that they are now going to buy LNG, liquefied natural gas, from America, not from Russia any longer.

00:11:56.000 We're also seeing an attempt at least of conversation to end the Russian-Ukrainian war.

00:12:02.000 We've seen Bitcoin hit an all-time high at $87,000.

00:12:06.000 The market has a huge surge, largely just based on the confidence.

00:12:09.000 I think it's also hit an all-time high.

00:12:11.000 Largely based on Trump's victory.

00:12:13.000 And this is all just not...

00:12:15.000 These things are signals.

00:12:16.000 They're effects based on signals of the president basically saying, I'm coming back and we're going to fix this thing.

00:12:24.000 And we're not going to allow business as usual to continue.

00:12:27.000 So, Cuomo, for you, I mean, we've been talking for, you know, a year, two years regularly.

00:12:32.000 Hey, what do you think about this?

00:12:33.000 What do you think about that?

00:12:35.000 Going in, at what point were you like, this is over.

00:12:38.000 This guy's going to be winning.

00:12:39.000 Well, look, we had the benefit of Decision Desk HQ. That is a very formidable tool.

00:12:48.000 The differentiator in the media was not the basis of information for making the call.

00:12:54.000 I think it was about preference for some.

00:12:57.000 Nobody's in a rush to call an election, Pat, because there's very little upside to being first.

00:13:01.000 For instance, in the clip, Charlie's listening, or the group is listening, and they say Fox News.

00:13:05.000 We called it first.

00:13:06.000 But he's listening to Fox, so when Fox says it, that's what...

00:13:09.000 There's not a real big upside to being first.

00:13:12.000 What's relevant to me, you just don't want to be wrong, okay?

00:13:15.000 That's why, guys, when the momentum was hitting you during your event, which is amazing, by the way, and I love that it came off as successfully as it did.

00:13:22.000 It was a really important thing.

00:13:23.000 We need more of those.

00:13:26.000 They said, slow down.

00:13:27.000 But you're like, but how much of the vote is still out?

00:13:30.000 Slow down.

00:13:30.000 There's no reason for us to be wrong.

00:13:32.000 So that's usually the guiding.

00:13:34.000 That said, I believe outlets waited to call the race because they didn't want Trump to win.

00:13:40.000 And News Nation didn't have a preference.

00:13:42.000 So we just wanted it to be right.

00:13:45.000 And I did.

00:13:46.000 Have a special interest in it being over.

00:13:49.000 I think a fair appraisal is I wasn't worried about what would happen if Trump won in terms of how the Democrats would react.

00:13:57.000 I was worried about how Trump would react.

00:14:00.000 I was worried that there were a lot of people who said, but the polls were so close.

00:14:04.000 And I'm sure that there's a chance that he would have said something provocative.

00:14:09.000 And then who knows where we would have gone.

00:14:10.000 Did you expect it to be the landslide victory?

00:14:13.000 No.

00:14:14.000 And I love that now everybody's explaining why it happened, how it happened.

00:14:17.000 It's so easy after the fact.

00:14:20.000 Look, the polls weren't wildly off.

00:14:24.000 He just won by a small margin in a lot of areas, and she underperformed.

00:14:30.000 The reason Trump won was because the Democrats, you know, other than the themes and all the stuff that we can talk about, the ideas behind the motivation, The Democrats underperformed.

00:14:39.000 Now, they'll argue with me.

00:14:41.000 No, we didn't, because Trump may have won, but we won this Senate race and we won all this.

00:14:45.000 Well, look, you lost the Senate, you lost the House, you lost the White House.

00:14:49.000 That's underperforming, okay?

00:14:51.000 Any way you want to look at it.

00:14:52.000 So I didn't know.

00:14:53.000 I had said for months I believed it was Trump's race to lose.

00:14:58.000 And I worded it that way on purpose because it was a grievance election.

00:15:03.000 It's about how people felt about their pocketbooks and overlays of how they felt about cultural norms.

00:15:12.000 So in that environment, it's harder for an incumbent.

00:15:15.000 And she was a compromised incumbent. 0.99

00:15:18.000 Now, I said it was his to lose, not Trump's going to win.

00:15:21.000 Not because I was sitting on the fence.

00:15:23.000 Because Trump is such a polarizing figure that he could have overwhelmed the momentum of the movement behind him.

00:15:30.000 But he didn't.

00:15:31.000 And he won.

00:15:32.000 So I wasn't surprised.

00:15:34.000 I mean, for you, as a big Trump supporter yourself, were you happy with the results?

00:15:38.000 I was happy that there was a definitive, quick result.

00:15:43.000 I am not a fan.

00:15:44.000 Would we be surprised?

00:15:46.000 Yeah.

00:15:47.000 If we knew who you voted for, would we be surprised if we could see who you voted for?

00:15:51.000 I probably shouldn't tell you, but I can tell you who I voted for.

00:15:54.000 You want to know?

00:15:55.000 Yeah.

00:15:55.000 I voted for my brother.

00:15:56.000 I wrote him in.

00:15:58.000 Are you joking?

00:15:59.000 No.

00:16:00.000 100%.

00:16:00.000 I'll show you the picture.

00:16:01.000 Here.

00:16:01.000 We'll verify it in real time.

00:16:03.000 Are you joking?

00:16:03.000 No.

00:16:04.000 No.

00:16:06.000 No, I'm not joking.

00:16:07.000 He didn't win, by the way.

00:16:10.000 Did you really vote for him?

00:16:11.000 I'll show you.

00:16:12.000 I'll show you why.

00:16:13.000 Well, you know who your brother voted for.

00:16:14.000 He showed it as well.

00:16:16.000 Get out of here.

00:16:17.000 Can I show this?

00:16:19.000 Huh?

00:16:19.000 Can I show it?

00:16:20.000 No, because I think it might have been illegal that I took a picture.

00:16:21.000 So let's just pretend it happened.

00:16:23.000 It never happened.

00:16:23.000 I'm looking at his family picture.

00:16:25.000 Beautiful dog.

00:16:25.000 Your daughters look great, by the way, in that picture.

00:16:27.000 But look, I was...

00:16:28.000 Really?

00:16:28.000 What I was happy about was that it ended and that it was definitive.

00:16:32.000 But why don't you vote for Kamala? 0.71

00:16:33.000 Why don't you vote for Kamala? 0.99

00:16:34.000 Listen, I believe...

00:16:35.000 Your brother voted for Kamala.

00:16:37.000 He's a Democrat, so he does what he does.

00:16:39.000 My feeling is this.

00:16:42.000 America can do better than these two candidates.

00:16:44.000 Does he know you voted for him?

00:16:46.000 Yeah.

00:16:46.000 You told him?

00:16:47.000 Yeah.

00:16:47.000 What did he say to you?

00:16:48.000 You wasted your vote?

00:16:49.000 Did he say something like that or no?

00:16:51.000 No.

00:16:51.000 He just, you know, was like, yeah.

00:16:54.000 That's what he says about most things.

00:16:55.000 Was it kind of New York who cares?

00:16:55.000 Like it doesn't matter?

00:16:56.000 Was it kind of like that or?

00:16:59.000 No.

00:16:59.000 He just was like, you know, he had other things he wanted to talk about.

00:17:03.000 But look, the point for me is I'm not a Trump fan, okay?

00:17:08.000 And I'm not a Democrat.

00:17:10.000 I think this country can do better.

00:17:12.000 I think that the movement behind Trump is very real.

00:17:15.000 It's been disrespected.

00:17:17.000 And I think that's problematic for America.

00:17:19.000 I just think we can do better.

00:17:21.000 I don't fault Charlie for campaigning and believing in Trump.

00:17:25.000 I don't.

00:17:25.000 I think it's very healthy for the democracy.

00:17:28.000 I don't have problems with people who see him as a problem and wanted somebody else.

00:17:33.000 I get it.

00:17:34.000 I get it.

00:17:35.000 To me, I just believe the choices are beneath the standard of American leadership.

00:17:40.000 I think we have way better people to pick from.

00:17:42.000 Let me ask a question for Charlie, for you.

00:17:45.000 You've been in this sport for a while, the sport of politics.

00:17:48.000 And it is a sport, let's face it.

00:17:49.000 It's very competitive.

00:17:51.000 And sometimes the way it competes, it's not a touchdown.

00:17:54.000 It's events, right?

00:17:55.000 Sure.

00:17:55.000 How have you, for somebody that's been in this space, viewed...

00:17:59.000 The evolution, he may not say this, but from the viewer's side, from Cuomo 10 years ago, 8 years ago, 6 years ago, 4 years ago, 2 years ago today.

00:18:08.000 Well, I think it's awesome.

00:18:09.000 I mean, I don't really care what Chris Cuomo's politics are.

00:18:13.000 I think that it takes...

00:18:15.000 Someone who loves truth to go to the DNC and remind the viewers that all those boxes up there are bought by corporate titans.

00:18:21.000 I thought that was really good.

00:18:22.000 And look, I think that I don't know Chris very well, but it seems as if Chris has an act to actually do what journalists used to do, increasingly so.

00:18:31.000 And I mean, you had this great video that someone sent me where you explained why Trump people were voting for Trump and they wanted to hire somebody for a dirty job.

00:18:40.000 I'm paraphrasing, but I thought that was really smart.

00:18:43.000 And, look, I don't expect everyone in media to go vote for Donald Trump.

00:18:46.000 I actually think it's awesome that he didn't vote for Kamala Harris, which is super refreshing because that's like the automatic entry point, right?

00:18:53.000 Yeah.

00:18:54.000 But, look, I don't want to get into Chris Cuomo's career.

00:18:57.000 There are some things during COVID I certainly didn't love, but that is what it is.

00:19:01.000 However...

00:19:02.000 Chris, I think it's great that you came out and you talked about the vaccine that it didn't necessarily deliver on its promises.

00:19:06.000 I thought that was terrific.

00:19:08.000 Well, it absolutely didn't.

00:19:10.000 But thank you for doing that because so many people would hold back on that because they're afraid of being called all these terrible names.

00:19:15.000 Yeah, look, I get it.

00:19:16.000 And I do believe there are some risks.

00:19:19.000 One of the reasons I'm a big fan of Pat, I just love you as a guy.

00:19:23.000 And to me, that's kind of the end of the analysis because everything else just doesn't matter as much.

00:19:29.000 When you see someone, and Pat talks about this a lot, I haven't seen you with your wife.

00:19:32.000 I haven't seen you with your kids.

00:19:33.000 I haven't seen you with your people.

00:19:34.000 But once I get a feel for you there, everything else is kind of secondary.

00:19:40.000 It's like, well, it can be as weird as Jets Patriots.

00:19:45.000 He grew up in a place where they were Jets fans, so he just likes to lose.

00:19:49.000 Everything becomes secondary.

00:19:51.000 And what...

00:19:53.000 My concern is, for what we're doing, is I don't believe there's any evolution in self any more than just natural.

00:19:59.000 Now, I'm the ghost of Christmas future for you.

00:20:02.000 You're in your early 30s.

00:20:04.000 I'm in my early 50s.

00:20:05.000 This is what happens to you.

00:20:08.000 You just keep evolving and changing.

00:20:10.000 My concern is that we've become so sensitive.

00:20:13.000 To the criticism and the gotchas, it's become such a commodity that what I love about what he's doing at Valuetainment is that there are a number of people who will tune in, Charlie Kirk, Chris Cuomo, thinking that, like, I'm going to try to lift you over my head at some point, you know?

00:20:28.000 And I get that that's a commodity, but I also think it's really toxic to us because every time they do a poll of real people, we know what they say.

00:20:37.000 Seven out of ten of them say they share common interests.

00:20:41.000 Where's that?

00:20:42.000 You don't make money off that on social media.

00:20:45.000 But that's what we need to get back to.

00:20:47.000 There are people blowing me up right now.

00:20:50.000 I guarantee it.

00:20:51.000 My phone's probably getting hot.

00:20:53.000 You normalize Charlie Kirk.

00:20:55.000 You normalize Pat.

00:20:56.000 Well, first of all, who's to say that they're not the normal ones and they're normalizing me, right?

00:21:01.000 And what is wrong with sitting with people and talking about where you agree, where you disagree, and why?

00:21:09.000 By the way, this is the part...

00:21:11.000 I don't know the folks at NewsNation.

00:21:13.000 You always speak very highly of it.

00:21:14.000 Camera on or off.

00:21:15.000 The fact that you're talking vaccine, that is also part that he can do it while you're representing a NewsNation, so kudos to them, where maybe you couldn't do it being at a different outlet.

00:21:26.000 Now, you may defend him now and say, yeah, I could still do that, CNN, etc., etc.

00:21:30.000 I don't know if during that time they would have let that, you know...

00:21:33.000 NewsNation is different, okay?

00:21:35.000 The guys who own it are much more transparent.

00:21:38.000 It's a public company.

00:21:38.000 It's Daystar, right?

00:21:39.000 And Nexstar.

00:21:40.000 Oh, that's right.

00:21:41.000 And they are much more transparent in terms of how they feel about things, but they do give me more leeway with the brand.

00:21:51.000 See, the difference is, it's not that, and you know, you don't have to agree, but I was there.

00:21:56.000 And it wasn't that CNN, it's like you had a meeting like this, they told me what to say.

00:22:00.000 That's not what it was.

00:22:01.000 But the brand was bigger than you.

00:22:02.000 It was more an email.

00:22:03.000 Yeah, it was in the corner.

00:22:06.000 It was, the brand was bigger than you.

00:22:09.000 So you had to respect the fact that you can't come on and say, hey, you know, I had a good time talking to Charlie Kirk.

00:22:15.000 We don't agree about some stuff.

00:22:17.000 I don't know why he says some things.

00:22:18.000 He doesn't know what.

00:22:18.000 And, you know, that's what it was.

00:22:20.000 It's got cute kids.

00:22:21.000 That would have been like, you know, you got to be careful because now you're speaking for all of CNN.

00:22:26.000 But let me, look, I will tell you, I think the day, the show that you did with News Nation, with Dana, Cuban, all those guys, I think that was successful.

00:22:33.000 It was great.

00:22:35.000 That was the model.

00:22:36.000 I love that model.

00:22:38.000 I wanted you involved in that.

00:22:40.000 I'm a big booster of yours because I believe... 0.99

00:22:43.000 That, and, you know, it's not about what your political aspirations are and the stupid rule that, you know, you can't be president because you didn't live here. 0.96

00:22:50.000 I mean, if there was one thing that I could change, you know, it might not matter to people, but it does to me. 0.99

00:22:55.000 In a nation of immigrants, you know, you can't be one and be president. 1.00

00:22:58.000 It's kind of weird.

00:22:59.000 But, but...

00:23:01.000 You have an organic following because of what you've achieved in your life.

00:23:05.000 Then you have another level to your following because of what people resonate with in you as a person.

00:23:11.000 Then comes your politics.

00:23:13.000 That is what we need more of.

00:23:15.000 I respect that this guy did it.

00:23:17.000 Oh, I kind of vibe with him, with how he is.

00:23:20.000 Oh, and yeah, I think those ideas make sense.

00:23:22.000 That's what we got to get back to.

00:23:24.000 Now it's inverted.

00:23:25.000 It's inverted.

00:23:26.000 Yeah, but the market is speaking.

00:23:28.000 The market...

00:23:29.000 Rob, can you pull up Kirk's TikTok account?

00:23:33.000 If you just pull up Kirk's TikTok account...

00:23:35.000 Do you dance a lot on the TikTok?

00:23:36.000 Very rarely.

00:23:37.000 If you pull up his TikTok...

00:23:38.000 I just want to show this real quick.

00:23:40.000 The TikTok story is crazy.

00:23:41.000 And I want you to talk about this.

00:23:42.000 Rob, just do me a favor.

00:23:43.000 Let's go through some of the clips, okay?

00:23:46.000 All right, so 10 million...

00:23:47.000 If you go to popular, it's the best way to...

00:23:48.000 Because this is all recent elections.

00:23:50.000 Go to the right.

00:23:50.000 Go all the way to the right.

00:23:51.000 Okay, so check this out.

00:23:53.000 Look at this here.

00:23:54.000 Zoom in a little bit, Rob, if you could...

00:23:55.000 49.

00:23:56.000 50 million.

00:23:57.000 Let's be honest.

00:23:57.000 40.

00:23:58.000 37.

00:23:59.000 Keep going.

00:24:01.000 13A. 22.6.

00:24:03.000 23.

00:24:03.000 Keep going, Rob.

00:24:04.000 This is just in the last minute.

00:24:05.000 22.

00:24:06.000 21.7.

00:24:07.000 23.6.

00:24:08.000 20.

00:24:09.000 16.4.

00:24:10.000 Go a little lower.

00:24:11.000 9.2.

00:24:11.000 8.5.

00:24:12.000 14.3.

00:24:13.000 60 million views on a daily basis.

00:24:17.000 Okay?

00:24:17.000 While you're going through this.

00:24:19.000 Now, Charlie, there's Instagram.

00:24:22.000 That's a different audience.

00:24:24.000 There's YouTube.

00:24:25.000 Different audience.

00:24:26.000 You got radio.

00:24:27.000 Yep.

00:24:28.000 Syndicated.

00:24:28.000 Different audience.

00:24:29.000 You got Rumble.

00:24:31.000 Different audience.

00:24:31.000 X. Different audience.

00:24:32.000 TikTok.

00:24:33.000 When you're in the streets or you go places and people say, I watch your stuff on radio.

00:24:39.000 I watch your stuff.

00:24:40.000 I listen to your stuff.

00:24:40.000 I watch you on YouTube.

00:24:41.000 I watch you on Instagram.

00:24:42.000 How often do you hear TikTok?

00:24:44.000 TikTok is 80% of them.

00:24:46.000 Unbelievable.

00:24:47.000 You know, I hang out in the streets a lot.

00:24:50.000 Let me say a couple of things on TikTok.

00:24:52.000 I'm blown away by this.

00:24:54.000 And look, we do a lot on social.

00:24:55.000 We do a lot on podcasting.

00:24:56.000 And praise God, the podcast is doing really well.

00:24:59.000 By the way, he's being modest.

00:25:01.000 It's a top five podcast on Apple and Spotify right now while we're speaking.

00:25:05.000 Right now, if you look at him, he's top five Apple and top five Spotify.

00:25:08.000 Please continue.

00:25:09.000 Thank you.

00:25:10.000 So we've been trying to get on TikTok for a while, and TikTok had a censorship regime that was very sensitive to topics that we would discuss on campus.

00:25:19.000 And we kind of just said, forget it.

00:25:21.000 Well, it's interesting, and I have a whole theory that October 7th was the event that led to the end of the Democrat Party, and I could lead it through four or five different examples.

00:25:30.000 And I think Chris would actually agree with this, because it's just an objective analysis, not a partisan one.

00:25:35.000 And the buried lead of the October 7th was that it got TikTok banned.

00:25:41.000 And remember, the TikTok ban stalled based on just China concerns.

00:25:44.000 But TikTok was the hub of a lot of the anti-Israel sentiment that was brewing with Gen Z. And then all of a sudden the TikTok ban got resurfaced.

00:25:55.000 Mitt Romney said at a security conference, we are banning TikTok because it is sowing anti-Israel sentiment in the United States.

00:26:03.000 So TikTok gets banned.

00:26:04.000 And our team, we had this idea, like, hey, TikTok is in a place where they don't want to get banned with an incoming administration.

00:26:11.000 Let's send out a tweet saying, hey, guys, let's do one more chance.

00:26:15.000 If you treat us fairly, we'll become TikTok's, like, biggest right-wing fan, right?

00:26:21.000 And I will talk...

00:26:22.000 They reached out and they were great.

00:26:24.000 They said, here are our rules.

00:26:25.000 We will transparently enforce them.

00:26:28.000 Again, they're very, very sensitive.

00:26:30.000 If you talk about trans stuff, it's like incredibly, right? 1.00

00:26:33.000 Even if you do it diplomatically.

00:26:35.000 And we said, great.

00:26:36.000 So again, this is all transparent.

00:26:37.000 It's all public.

00:26:38.000 There's no like backroom deal.

00:26:39.000 And so we started posting my old college discussions there because I've been doing this for 12 years where we just have open dialogues and we started to get 5 million views a day, 6 million views a day and 10 million views a day.

00:26:50.000 And so over the summer, I said, well, what if this election season I do like 25 campus stops and we kind of create these open air discussions and they might go viral, especially on TikTok, that could influence a lot of people to view the election the way obviously I want them to view it.

00:27:07.000 And yeah, look, on TikTok alone, it was a billion views in 90 days.

00:27:11.000 It's like 60 to 80 million views a day.

00:27:13.000 And that sounds like a number, but all of a sudden, here's what was amazing.

00:27:17.000 It was the most effective way I ever reached the working class in my career.

00:27:22.000 The muscular class.

00:27:24.000 Janitors, waiters, waitresses, Uber drivers, police officers, firefighters.

00:27:30.000 Even more so than YouTube and Instagram, for whatever reason, something about TikTok really reaches people that Donald Trump was trying to win 10 or 15% more of.

00:27:42.000 And final thought I'll make on this.

00:27:44.000 It's the most diverse audience that I would...

00:27:48.000 I'm talking about Black, Hispanic, Asian, young, and I'll just tell one story.

00:27:53.000 I was in Vegas about to speak, and...

00:27:57.000 you know, waiters and waitresses coming up asking for pictures, all Hispanic, all Asian American Pacific Islander that saw me on TikTok.

00:28:04.000 And they're like, thank you.

00:28:06.000 You connected dots, I think.

00:28:07.000 And it is a form of entertainment we do on TikTok because it's ideas that are kind of colliding.

00:28:12.000 And so praise God.

00:28:14.000 If you would have told me a year ago that we'd have one of the largest TikToks out there in conservative media in all politics, I would have said no way.

00:28:22.000 And we could go whatever direction you want, Pat, but I believe without the horror and the tragedy on October 7th and the events that came subsequent, I don't know if we would have had the success on TikTok that we did.

00:28:34.000 There's a story that came out.

00:28:36.000 Oh, there it is.

00:28:37.000 It's a Wall Street Journal story a few days ago.

00:28:40.000 Young voters helped fuel Trump's win.

00:28:44.000 This was kind of interesting because one day I get a call from Vanity Fair and they're asking me about what do you think about the fact that Barron Trump is getting all these podcast bros for his father to get on and what do you think about that strategy and all this?

00:28:57.000 I said, you're talking...

00:29:01.000 zone.

00:29:01.000 I'll read this to you.

00:29:02.000 Young voters helped fuel Trump's win.

00:29:05.000 Trump's win included a 14-point lead among men under 30, a drastic 30-point shift from 2020 when Biden had a 15-point lead.

00:29:15.000 For women under 30, Harris led by 18 points, a drop from 32 points in 2020.

00:29:20.000 Nationally, 16% of voters were under 30, up from 13%, so three plus in 2020, with Harris's support among them shrinking to just six points over Trump, 52 to 46.

00:29:34.000 Economic issues dominated young voters' concerns with 39% of young women and 42% of young men prioritizing jobs and the economy.

00:29:42.000 Trump's campaign reached young voters through college events.

00:29:46.000 TikTok, they're talking about you right here, and popular podcasts.

00:29:50.000 Following advice from his son, Barron, who recommended appearance on platforms such as Aiden Raz, drawn hundreds of thousands of views.

00:29:57.000 No, Now, Aiden, sure, Gamer, all this stuff.

00:30:00.000 But a lot of this, if I was to hear someone, for example, Celebrity gets on.

00:30:06.000 Oh, wow, he was on Aiden.

00:30:07.000 Great.

00:30:08.000 Oh, my God, he was on Logan Paul and Mike Mallon.

00:30:10.000 Great.

00:30:11.000 Sure.

00:30:11.000 Influence?

00:30:12.000 Yeah.

00:30:12.000 I can't believe Logan had him on.

00:30:15.000 I get it.

00:30:16.000 Jake actually broke down a 32 minute video to explain why he's voting.

00:30:22.000 I think that translates.

00:30:24.000 get young voters to say, that's right.

00:30:28.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:30:30.000 What are you talking about?

00:30:31.000 This doesn't make any sense.

00:30:33.000 Chris, again, the sport of politics, how big you're in this space, you've been in it your entire life.

00:30:40.000 Your father's a two-term governor, your brother's a governor.

00:30:42.000 So it's not like you, how big of a deal was this for young voters to flip like this and be inspired to come out and vote for Trump?

00:30:51.000 So one of the rules in politics is do everything.

00:30:55.000 Do everything.

00:30:56.000 Be in yes mode.

00:30:57.000 Go everywhere you can.

00:30:58.000 Talk to anyone you can.

00:31:00.000 That has become less and less popular as people seek their silo, right?

00:31:06.000 Now, again, this is also evidence of underperformance.

00:31:09.000 I'll start with saying bro-vote, to me, I don't think is coming from a good place, by the way.

00:31:15.000 We've got to talk about that.

00:31:17.000 Defining it as bro-vote, I see...

00:31:20.000 What does that mean?

00:31:21.000 What does bro-vote mean?

00:31:22.000 To me, I see it as a way of diminishing what resonates with young men.

00:31:29.000 And I think it's a continuation of a very overt, intentional strategy of bringing down young men.

00:31:40.000 I don't get that.

00:31:41.000 Blaming them.

00:31:41.000 Bro is, to me, it's...

00:31:43.000 Oh, you think it's a pejorative?

00:31:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:45.000 I think it's a pejorative.

00:31:46.000 And I'm okay with it.

00:31:48.000 I don't see who's called bros.

00:31:51.000 I get called that.

00:31:53.000 I'm 54 years old.

00:31:55.000 I see.

00:31:56.000 So you think when people label that, they're trying to use it as a...

00:31:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:32:00.000 Because it's never one of them.

00:32:02.000 I got it.

00:32:03.000 So when you say these bro podcasts, he's going on.

00:32:06.000 Almost like, why would you waste your time getting on this podcast?

00:32:09.000 I got it.

00:32:10.000 And it's a disrespect.

00:32:11.000 It's an extension of how people in the media, not to speak for a whole group, obviously.

00:32:15.000 But you never hear anything good about Joe Rogan except his reach.

00:32:19.000 Now, do I see Rogan as any kind of functional equivalent to either of you guys?

00:32:24.000 No, because you're thought leaders.

00:32:26.000 I may not agree with your thoughts.

00:32:28.000 I may not want to echo your thoughts, but you're thought leaders.

00:32:34.000 Joe has an amazing platform that you've got to give him credit for having where he has guys like you on it.

00:32:38.000 That's the appeal.

00:32:40.000 His audience is not independents.

00:32:42.000 His audience breaks right, and that's fine.

00:32:44.000 That's fine.

00:32:46.000 But to be a pejorative and say these bros, like somehow it's bad to have young men wanting to vote for you, I think is a mistake.

00:32:53.000 Trump did what you're supposed to do.

00:32:55.000 He went everywhere.

00:32:57.000 So should have Harris.

00:32:58.000 Was Rogan going to be the same situation for her as for him?

00:33:02.000 No.

00:33:03.000 But that's the way it is.

00:33:04.000 You know, when Donald Trump at some point decides to come on News Nation and sit down, it's not going to be like he's sitting down with Newsmax or Fox News.

00:33:12.000 But you take it.

00:33:14.000 The audience gets where you are.

00:33:15.000 He'll love it, though.

00:33:16.000 That's the thing.

00:33:17.000 He likes to be challenged if it's done from a good place in good faith.

00:33:21.000 Sometimes.

00:33:21.000 Was he invited?

00:33:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:23.000 No, as long as it's not cheap.

00:33:25.000 I invite him all the time.

00:33:26.000 If it's not cheap shots, though, he likes it.

00:33:28.000 I agree, although he likes to deliver a cheap shot, by the way.

00:33:32.000 Fair enough.

00:33:32.000 But I think you'd do a good job if you came from a perspective of you want to make sure the American people have clarity on what he believes.

00:33:39.000 Right.

00:33:39.000 My point is, look, I think he needs to sit down.

00:33:42.000 Here's my feeling about it, okay?

00:33:44.000 Let's move on.

00:33:46.000 The Democrats have to process.

00:33:47.000 The Republicans had to process in the midterms.

00:33:49.000 Process.

00:33:50.000 Figure it out.

00:33:50.000 Figure out what you want.

00:33:51.000 Don't get overwhelmed with blaming things as some kind of battle of agendas, which is what the left is doing.

00:33:58.000 But that's their problem.

00:33:59.000 We have to be focused forward.

00:34:01.000 Trump should be talking about what he's going to do all the time.

00:34:05.000 Can I stay on this topic?

00:34:06.000 I want to stay on this topic.

00:34:07.000 Sure.

00:34:07.000 And I want to get your expertise on this topic.

00:34:09.000 So the reason why I'm talking young voters, and we're staying here with the young voters topic, is I watch, you know...

00:34:19.000 Super Bowl, like right now, it pisses me off that Cincinnati Bengals are 3-5.

00:34:24.000 And they've lost most of their games by less than a touchdown, whatever.

00:34:27.000 35-34. 0.99

00:34:29.000 Tom tells me their cornerbacks suck, and I'm like... 0.97

00:34:33.000 Okay, he's a number one quarterback right now in yardage. 0.99

00:34:36.000 Touchdown to interception.

00:34:37.000 I think he's number one or number two in that.

00:34:39.000 But they're three and five, and the way they're playing right now, they're not going to do anything major.

00:34:43.000 Now in the NFL, you could still make it to the playoffs, and you could still be formidable later on.

00:34:46.000 It's all about momentum.

00:34:47.000 But one could watch a game, and it could say, well, the differentiator in 2024 is XYZ. It's the running game.

00:34:54.000 It's this.

00:34:54.000 NBA, Cleveland Cavs are off to a 12-0 record.

00:34:57.000 It doesn't matter when it comes down to the playoffs.

00:34:59.000 In politics right now, a lot of events happened last 12 months.

00:35:04.000 I remember a year and a half ago, I'm bringing guests here, and we're having different conversations, and a lot of people were still DeSantis.

00:35:11.000 They were even uncomfortable to be pro-Trump.

00:35:15.000 I would go to events, and guys were kind of like, whoa, you've got to be comfortable.

00:35:21.000 Don't be too pro-Trump because you're even losing the conservative vote.

00:35:24.000 This was about a year and a half, two years ago that was happening.

00:35:26.000 So you had to kind of be like, ah, relax a little bit when you're being 2-2-2.

00:35:31.000 Yeah, in primary mode.

00:35:32.000 Bring it down a little bit, right?

00:35:34.000 But then in the last 12 months, specifically, if this is a sport, in the last 12 months, to both of you guys, what would you say were the defining moments where it flipped?

00:35:44.000 And by the way, I'd like to see one from both of you guys, but also reasons.

00:35:49.000 For example, Bobby's walkout.

00:35:53.000 Okay.

00:35:53.000 We hosted that event.

00:35:54.000 I remember that.

00:35:56.000 In Phoenix.

00:35:57.000 I remember.

00:35:57.000 Was it an Amphist or was it a...

00:35:59.000 No, but come on.

00:35:59.000 If you see those kind of pyrotechnics, you know who's doing it.

00:36:02.000 Your AV is insane.

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:05.000 That's not just a come ex nihilo.

00:36:07.000 That's...

00:36:07.000 Well, you...

00:36:09.000 Come on, Pat.

00:36:10.000 You know that's a turning point.

00:36:11.000 You realize we've been in the business of doing events for a while, and I would expect nothing less from a guy like you.

00:36:16.000 I've been at your event.

00:36:16.000 I see you in the back.

00:36:17.000 The guy works like 24-7 at his event, running the whole show.

00:36:19.000 He's phenomenal.

00:36:20.000 But Bobby coming out.

00:36:22.000 That alliance.

00:36:23.000 Tulsi.

00:36:24.000 Musk coming out.

00:36:27.000 Musk's 2.1 billion impression on X. Rogan's podcast.

00:36:33.000 Assassination attempt.

00:36:35.000 The younger voter going out there getting the TikTok folks. 0.76

00:36:39.000 If you were to say a few of the events in 2024 that led to Trump making the greatest comeback of all time, what would you say that was?

00:36:47.000 I have to pick a couple.

00:36:48.000 The first of which was Elon Musk's purchasing of Twitter.

00:36:52.000 And I believe that for many reasons because it allowed for...

00:36:55.000 You put that as one?

00:36:57.000 Yes.

00:36:58.000 I think I agree.

00:36:59.000 I think I agree.

00:37:00.000 I do.

00:37:01.000 And the reason being is that you saw a national popular vote tilt a certain way, which is indicative that the entire country is consuming information differently.

00:37:09.000 Right.

00:37:09.000 This was not just a regional tilt.

00:37:11.000 It's not just that Trump ran a better campaign in Pennsylvania, which he did.

00:37:15.000 It's not just that we chased more votes in Arizona, which we did.

00:37:17.000 It's that the whole country is consuming information that makes them view things differently.

00:37:22.000 Now you could say, oh, because it's inflation, all that.

00:37:24.000 Sort of.

00:37:25.000 But national public polling shows that there was this moment where the country started to care more about immigration.

00:37:30.000 The country started to care more about what's happening in Ukraine.

00:37:33.000 Public attitudes were changing, and I believe that is because we had a platform that finally allowed freedom of speech, because all the other ones were clamping down on it.

00:37:42.000 So I think that's number one.

00:37:44.000 And then number two, I think it would be the indictments of Donald Trump, starting which, when the Rubicon was crossed, when Alvin Bragg indicted Donald Trump in New York for this ridiculous, just concocted pile of garbage that no one could explain, and Donald Trump was then viewed correctly as a martyr by his supporters and a sympathetic figure to the people who couldn't afford groceries.

00:38:10.000 And for a regular person, the equation, the formula is built.

00:38:14.000 I can't afford stuff that I used to, and the guy I've been told to hate is now facing prison time.

00:38:21.000 That doesn't make sense to me.

00:38:23.000 And so then what happened is that regular, everyday people would go turn on the networks and say, okay, help me understand this, MSNBC. A lot of people would give the benefit of the doubt.

00:38:33.000 They said, okay.

00:38:34.000 And they heard nothing but... 0.98

00:38:36.000 He's a Nazi. 0.98

00:38:37.000 He's a threat to democracy. 1.00

00:38:38.000 And he must be locked up.

00:38:40.000 And regular people didn't buy that.

00:38:41.000 And then where did they go?

00:38:43.000 PBDX. To Twitter.

00:38:44.000 And they saw a different story.

00:38:46.000 And so I could keep on going.

00:38:47.000 And then finally, what day did Elon Musk endorse Donald Trump?

00:38:52.000 July 13th.

00:38:53.000 The day that Donald Trump got shot in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:38:56.000 And I believe the hand of God was on Donald Trump.

00:38:58.000 I really do.

00:38:58.000 I believe that it was one millimeter that saved his life.

00:39:02.000 But then Elon Musk going all in.

00:39:04.000 You know this.

00:39:07.000 I read Elon's book, the Walter Isaacson one.

00:39:09.000 It's unbelievable.

00:39:10.000 He's like a laser beam.

00:39:12.000 When Tesla's not hitting its objectives, he sleeps on the floor of the Gigafactory until it's done.

00:39:18.000 If the rockets aren't getting up on time, he dedicates his whole life.

00:39:22.000 If he wants Donald Trump to go to the White House, what did he do?

00:39:24.000 He lived in Pennsylvania for 45 days straight and dedicated his fortune, his time, his energy like a laser beam.

00:39:31.000 Nothing else mattered.

00:39:32.000 And when you had that kind of focus from obviously the highest capacity person on the planet, coupled with Donald Trump, you're talking about a force multiplier the likes of which that literally, in my opinion, saved civilization.

00:39:47.000 Chris, what would you say?

00:39:48.000 I like the phrase force multiplier.

00:39:51.000 That's absolutely what social media is.

00:39:54.000 I agree with your analysis about people using social media as much as any media now.

00:40:02.000 Now, there's a problem with that because social media is not as reliable on a lot of levels.

00:40:12.000 Independent media depends on the outlet, what the vetting is, what the structure is.

00:40:17.000 But yes, that was a big factor.

00:40:20.000 The social media component of the dialogue is It's very important.

00:40:25.000 Chris Wallace leaving CNN to go start a podcast and like people saying, oh, this is a watershed moment.

00:40:32.000 Well, no, it is.

00:40:32.000 It depends what he does with his podcast.

00:40:34.000 But he's probably not going to do very well.

00:40:35.000 But I'm saying, right, because it could fade into because what it has done very well Well, fringe and dissenting voices have done very well in that space.

00:40:43.000 Fringe don't as a pejorative.

00:40:45.000 Not as a pejorative.

00:40:46.000 People on the outside of the spectrum of thought.

00:40:48.000 Correct.

00:40:49.000 Non-main party people.

00:40:51.000 Yes.

00:40:51.000 Okay.

00:40:52.000 So what do I think?

00:40:53.000 If I had to pick it, and I get why you mitigate it because it's more than this, but if I have to pick a pivot point...

00:41:00.000 It was the inflation narrative.

00:41:02.000 Because what happened was the left got caught in a space of trying to convince you that you weren't paying more for things and that that wasn't really a problem.

00:41:12.000 And that's a very tricky space.

00:41:15.000 I would have a famous conservative come on every week named Bill O'Reilly.

00:41:18.000 And his analysis would begin and end with the gas pump in the grocery store.

00:41:23.000 And I'd say, yeah, but what about this?

00:41:26.000 Gas is higher than it was Groceries are higher.

00:41:31.000 Rent, mortgage higher.

00:41:33.000 There's your nut.

00:41:34.000 That's your nut.

00:41:35.000 And we haven't even included healthcare costs yet, which also went up.

00:41:39.000 So when all of those things are worse now...

00:41:44.000 And they're telling you that the guy where they were better is the problem.

00:41:48.000 It doesn't compute.

00:41:50.000 That's what I thought was a big pivot point.

00:41:52.000 And, of course, there are a hundred other things that went into it.

00:41:55.000 Jordan Peterson's right.

00:41:56.000 There's never a single-factor explanation for a complex situation.

00:42:00.000 But we can pinpoint causes set in motion, for sure.

00:42:03.000 They couldn't get away from that reality.

00:42:05.000 Let me ask this question.

00:42:06.000 Rob, can you pull up the one clip on CNN where this guy is explaining men competing in women's sports?

00:42:12.000 For me, I think one of the things, this was prompted based on what you guys are saying right now.

00:42:19.000 One of the things is how terrible the argument of the left was for the last four, specifically four years. 0.72

00:42:26.000 It's been bad for eight years, but four years was a little bit ridiculous.

00:42:29.000 So I'm watching this thing here.

00:42:31.000 I'm like, okay, CNN, you know, they're having a conversation about...

00:42:36.000 Who to blame?

00:42:37.000 And this guy is making a very, very logical...

00:42:41.000 Logical.

00:42:42.000 Last night, I'm at training with my son in the soccer.

00:42:45.000 It's 9 o'clock.

00:42:47.000 I'm there with the two trainers.

00:42:48.000 One guy comes up, who's an agent.

00:42:50.000 He's here from London.

00:42:51.000 And another guy, who's a guy that played for Miami and Inter-Miami, and he's not somewhere else.

00:42:55.000 We're standing there talking.

00:42:56.000 Guy comes up to me.

00:42:57.000 He's on the tennis field.

00:42:58.000 He says...

00:42:59.000 I know this voice.

00:43:01.000 I said, yeah.

00:43:02.000 He said, you're Patrick.

00:43:04.000 I said, I am.

00:43:05.000 He says, you know, I watch you all the time.

00:43:07.000 I said, that's great.

00:43:08.000 He says, we know I don't agree with you.

00:43:09.000 I said, really?

00:43:10.000 Yeah.

00:43:10.000 I said, tell me who you voted for.

00:43:11.000 He said, I voted for Kamala.

00:43:13.000 I said, really?

00:43:14.000 Tell me why you voted for Kamala.

00:43:15.000 He says, well, I just think Trump, you know, he's just like, he's got the TDS. I'm like, okay, fine.

00:43:19.000 But when it came to family, he's talking to me with his three-year-old son on his shoulder.

00:43:25.000 And in this argument right here, you lose that guy.

00:43:29.000 Where that guy sits there and says, I don't agree with this guy.

00:43:31.000 Rob, can you go in and play this clip?

00:43:33.000 Families out there who don't believe boys should play girls sports. 0.76

00:43:38.000 They're not boys.

00:43:39.000 I'm not going to listen to transphobia at this table.

00:43:41.000 I am not going to listen to you call a trans girl a boy.

00:43:45.000 Are you going to allow me to finish my explanation?

00:43:46.000 When you use a word that's a slur, I'm going to interrupt.

00:43:49.000 That's not how it is.

00:43:50.000 They're not boys.

00:43:52.000 Watch what she says to him.

00:43:54.000 I'm not going to sit there and listen to that.

00:43:57.000 Look, this is a really heated issue, right?

00:44:01.000 And, Shawn Michael, I know you.

00:44:02.000 I know that you understand that people have different views on this.

00:44:06.000 So what?

00:44:06.000 I think out of respect for Jay, let's try to talk about this in a way that is respectful.

00:44:12.000 Let me rephrase this since I'm being targeted here.

00:44:18.000 Of course you are.

00:44:19.000 I'm specifically saying that I know that you are not intending to be transphobic.

00:44:24.000 It's called common sense.

00:44:25.000 But I want you to, I want you to, I want you to, I want you to give you an opportunity to, to reflect.

00:44:32.000 That's not, that's not regular people, that's not regular people.

00:44:36.000 There's no consensus that these are actually boys.

00:44:38.000 This whole thing about trans girls is a canard. 1.00

00:44:41.000 Have you seen this?

00:44:41.000 We're talking about a tiny, tiny sliver of the population.

00:44:44.000 That may be the case, but my point in terms of its effectiveness...

00:44:48.000 Hold on, just get to your point.

00:44:50.000 My point in terms of its effectiveness...

00:44:52.000 Regular people with children look at these things and they say, you know what?

00:44:56.000 This is a bit too far.

00:44:57.000 I do not agree with this.

00:44:58.000 I don't like this.

00:44:59.000 I think Democrats are going way too much to the left on social issues.

00:45:03.000 As exhibited by the interjection from Jay Michelson.

00:45:06.000 A lot of people believe that.

00:45:06.000 A lot of families believe that.

00:45:07.000 You may disagree with that reality, but that's why Republicans kept running those ads over.

00:45:11.000 And watch what he says.

00:45:13.000 Because they saw the metrics suggested that they were working.

00:45:15.000 And lying in those ads over and over again.

00:45:17.000 About what?

00:45:17.000 And using rhetoric like you just used, saying this is boys playing girls sports.

00:45:21.000 It is.

00:45:22.000 So, Charlie, you've not seen it, so raw reaction.

00:45:27.000 Go ahead.

00:45:28.000 I mean, but rarely are you able to then see the contention and the point proved in one clip.

00:45:33.000 So, sure, Michael is saying, you know, one of the reasons why Democrats are failing is because boys are in women's sports. 0.82

00:45:38.000 And the guy then says, no, no, no, you have to stop doing that.

00:45:41.000 He was doing real-time speech police.

00:45:45.000 Real-time thought interruption of a very valid point, by the way, that sure Michael is making.

00:45:50.000 And yes, let's just be very legitimate here.

00:45:52.000 There are men in female sports.

00:45:54.000 Just ask Riley Gaines.

00:45:55.000 It is happening every single day.

00:45:56.000 It's happening at the biggest possible level.

00:45:58.000 It's happening even at the Olympics.

00:46:00.000 It's happening all across the board.

00:46:02.000 And it is something that Donald Trump's most effective political advertisement in this cycle, and Susie Wiles deserves such credit for this and her entire team because they trust their instinct.

00:46:11.000 It was a two-sequence ad.

00:46:13.000 They did A and B.

00:46:15.000 The first one is where they showed Kamala Harris sitting down with a trans activist in California where she was bragging that illegals got taxpayer-funded gender reassignment surgery.

00:46:24.000 I mean just like such – and bragging about it.

00:46:26.000 Then they ran another ad of Charlemagne from The Breakfast Club reacting to that and basically saying Kamala Harris is for they, them.

00:46:35.000 Donald Trump is for you.

00:46:36.000 And they went all in on that ad.

00:46:38.000 Now what is it about that ad?

00:46:40.000 Of all the stuff – I saw that on the Yankees game.

00:46:43.000 I saw it on the playoffs game.

00:46:44.000 It was everywhere.

00:46:44.000 Hold on a second.

00:46:45.000 I got to disagree a little bit with Bill O'Reilly here, based on what you said.

00:46:48.000 It wasn't just groceries and gas, because the Trump campaign spent $75 million on a non-grocery and gas, because that ad struck down to a chord that was Kamala Harris's weakness. 1.00

00:46:59.000 She is this radical ideologue from California who will pander to foreigners, not Americans, with the most wild abstract left-wing ideas, and then incorporated in that, oh, by the way, she's also for they-them, so anyone who's dealing with that kind of HR policing in the corporate life, it's kind of a little trigger. 0.85

00:47:20.000 Yeah.

00:47:22.000 That Kamala supports men and female sports.

00:47:24.000 I mean, it hit all the points in 30 seconds.

00:47:26.000 And what did you just say, PBD?

00:47:28.000 Where did they place that at?

00:47:29.000 The brilliance of the Trump campaign.

00:47:30.000 They only ran it on NFL football and the World Series and male-dominated media. 1.00

00:47:36.000 They didn't run that on Lifetime.

00:47:38.000 And that's why Donald Trump did historically well with young male voters.

00:47:42.000 Yeah, look, this is a complex situation.

00:47:48.000 It resonates easily.

00:47:50.000 Having a black guy say it, Charlemagne the God was a force multiplier in that regard as well.

00:47:59.000 But, look, the Democrats lost because they underperformed, all right?

00:48:03.000 That is a really important thing to remember, because what does that tell you?

00:48:07.000 It tells you they didn't get their people out.

00:48:09.000 When you look at where Trump grew, he grew, obviously, with people who didn't vote for him before.

00:48:15.000 So something changed in this election that made people stay home, and some of them who did go out went out for him.

00:48:22.000 I think the economics are a big part of that.

00:48:25.000 Of course.

00:48:25.000 I'm just saying that's an example.

00:48:27.000 It's not the complete picture.

00:48:28.000 Here's my problem with this issue, and I welcome this. 0.77

00:48:32.000 I say all the time, You're not going to get a lot of parents to vote for you when you say it's okay that a guy my size is playing girls volleyball in high school.

00:48:42.000 They don't like the idea.

00:48:43.000 Okay.

00:48:44.000 Does it happen a lot?

00:48:46.000 No.

00:48:47.000 Does it happen?

00:48:47.000 Yes, obviously.

00:48:48.000 We're talking about it.

00:48:49.000 I am worried, though, that there is an offset on the issue, which is what happens most with the LGBTQ plus community. 0.62

00:48:58.000 You forgot IA. IA. I have a problem with that. 0.95

00:49:01.000 I get yelled at for this all the time.

00:49:02.000 And two-spirit.

00:49:03.000 Whatever it is, okay?

00:49:04.000 I'm okay with all of it.

00:49:05.000 You gotta get the whole thing.

00:49:06.000 I know, because I get yelled at when I don't, but I'm not missing it on purpose, okay?

00:49:10.000 My point is this.

00:49:11.000 What happens to them most...

00:49:12.000 It's so totalitarian.

00:49:13.000 It is, because if you miss the acronym, you're a hater.

00:49:16.000 That's right, and that's a mistake.

00:49:17.000 But two things can be true at once.

00:49:20.000 What happens to that community most is that they're discriminated against.

00:49:24.000 And I'm worried about the gay kid, the trans kid that is living in a real profound state of fear and people are hurting them.

00:49:34.000 That happens a lot.

00:49:36.000 Now, is the correction...

00:49:38.000 What are we talking about, Chris?

00:49:39.000 Listen, people target those people, and they get bullied, they get beat up.

00:49:43.000 People target Christians, too. 0.90

00:49:44.000 People get bullied because they're fat and overweight, or they talk funny. 0.95

00:49:47.000 True, but they war with these kids.

00:49:49.000 And I'm just worried about what you do to them.

00:49:52.000 I agree with the argument.

00:49:54.000 Males in female sport... 1.00

00:49:56.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:49:58.000 But in this context, Chris, it's only trans.

00:50:02.000 He's not talking about gay or lesbian.

00:50:04.000 I know.

00:50:04.000 This two-minute video, the guy is saying, when you start putting men competing in women's sports, the guy comes out, Jay, correct him, saying you can't have transphobia.

00:50:16.000 Don't call him boys.

00:50:17.000 Yeah, don't call him boys.

00:50:17.000 He's just trans girls.

00:50:18.000 And then, to top it off, the host defends this argument.

00:50:26.000 And then tells him to pump the brakes.

00:50:30.000 Yeah.

00:50:30.000 And he's like, so to me, what happens here is the following.

00:50:33.000 What percentage of CNN viewership is going to be Democrat?

00:50:36.000 Let's say 80%, 70%, whatever the number is.

00:50:39.000 Yeah, it's going to be in the 40s, but it's okay.

00:50:41.000 It's going to be a plurality.

00:50:43.000 It's not a majority.

00:50:44.000 I think it's going to be more liberals than Republicans that watch.

00:50:46.000 Yes.

00:50:47.000 Well, a lot of people watch it at the airport.

00:50:49.000 They calculate it that way.

00:50:50.000 So take that out.

00:50:51.000 There's still people, by the way.

00:50:52.000 But watch this.

00:50:53.000 I'm actually talking.

00:50:54.000 It brings up the average.

00:50:55.000 But meaning the audience that goes to CNN is that audience, right?

00:50:58.000 You know what happens?

00:50:59.000 How many of the guys that are sitting there saying, bro, I've been voting Democrat my entire life.

00:51:03.000 What the?

00:51:04.000 I don't agree with this.

00:51:05.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:51:06.000 Imagine a moment where you're sitting there.

00:51:08.000 You and your wife are in the kitchen.

00:51:11.000 Honey, food's ready.

00:51:12.000 Okay, babe.

00:51:14.000 And you're sitting there and go, so how was your day today?

00:51:15.000 And then you hear this guy.

00:51:18.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:51:18.000 And you're watching like...

00:51:20.000 I get it.

00:51:20.000 I've never heard anybody make a different case.

00:51:23.000 I've never heard anybody say to me why it's okay that you would have a male be competing against females. 0.60

00:51:30.000 I totally get it.

00:51:31.000 If they continue this way, though, Chris, if they continue this way...

00:51:36.000 The argument, the argument when you're presenting and the method of you trying to gain the voters, when you do things like that, you lose in a major way, which, by the way, this is the commercial Charlie was talking about.

00:51:48.000 Rob, if you want to play the clip.

00:51:49.000 Yeah, just to be clear, they went all in on this ad.

00:51:52.000 75 million bucks.

00:51:53.000 And I have a thought afterwards.

00:51:54.000 Go ahead, Rob.

00:51:55.000 Taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners.

00:51:58.000 Surgery.

00:51:59.000 For prisoners.

00:52:01.000 For prisoners.

00:52:01.000 Every transgender.

00:52:04.000 Inmate in the prison system would have access.

00:52:06.000 I don't want my taxpayer dollars going to that.

00:52:09.000 Kamala supports transgender sex changes in jail with our money. 1.00

00:52:12.000 Kamala even supports letting biological men compete against our girls in their sports. 0.99

00:52:18.000 Kamala is for they, them. 1.00

00:52:20.000 President Trump is for you.

00:52:22.000 I'm Donald J. Trump and I approve this message.

00:52:24.000 Can I say something though?

00:52:26.000 There has been this consensus by some that the culture war should be away from politics and the culture war loses elections.

00:52:34.000 This this advertisement, as studied now by three different firms as the most effective ad is is against that theory, which is that the culture war actually gave Donald Trump the ad edge.

00:52:47.000 Now, Chris, I'll also say that ad probably was also why some black young black men stayed at home.

00:52:53.000 Maybe. 0.63

00:52:54.000 Right.

00:52:54.000 Because the Trump campaign deserves credit for at least saying communicating to the audience.

00:52:59.000 Look, Kamala is not worthy of your vote. 0.99

00:53:02.000 And it really dampened down enthusiasm.

00:53:04.000 How many young black men in Detroit were excited to go vote for Kamala if they feel as if she wants to go put men in female sports? 1.00

00:53:12.000 You see what I'm saying?

00:53:12.000 I totally get it.

00:53:13.000 And that is a rule of politics.

00:53:15.000 I believe culture wars have always been part of politics.

00:53:18.000 And so the idea that it's separate and apart, I don't agree that it ever was, but it certainly isn't now.

00:53:24.000 But can it be effective?

00:53:24.000 I think it can be.

00:53:25.000 100%.

00:53:26.000 I mean, look, he doesn't win without it.

00:53:29.000 I mean, in this race, the economics mattered as well.

00:53:33.000 In 2016, he was a purely cultural proposition, and it worked.

00:53:37.000 So empirically, we're on the same side with this.

00:53:41.000 Look, here's my concern.

00:53:43.000 Here's why I don't like this, okay?

00:53:45.000 I'll put it that way.

00:53:46.000 I totally agree with the premise, okay?

00:53:48.000 And I think that the manifestations of it that they were putting out there are even more effective Then the sports one, that everybody gets access to a sex change in prison, that even illegal migrants get access. 0.65

00:54:00.000 That bothers your sense of rightness, okay?

00:54:03.000 Of justice.

00:54:04.000 Of justice, of fairness under law.

00:54:07.000 To me, those are more powerful than the guys my size playing high school, or that guy was like twice my size, that was in the commercial, playing with girls.

00:54:16.000 Why?

00:54:17.000 Because that doesn't happen that much.

00:54:19.000 The other two will.

00:54:20.000 But hold on to the truth.

00:54:20.000 Chris, it happens more than you think, but even if it only happens a little, it's an affront to our sense of justice as well.

00:54:25.000 I get it.

00:54:26.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:54:27.000 And it is a tactic used by some, not you.

00:54:30.000 Oh, it's not happening that much, but hold on.

00:54:32.000 When an injustice occurs at the highest, for example, the NCAA Swimming Championship.

00:54:37.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:54:38.000 It doesn't take many.

00:54:39.000 Or at the Olympics.

00:54:40.000 Or right now, the story that was cooking before the election, the San Jose State volleyball team, all these teams are forfeiting.

00:54:47.000 I mean, that is at the highest levels of the NCAA. And so, yeah, I mean, look, we don't know to the exact rapidity that it is happening, but even if it happens once at an NCAA championship level.

00:54:58.000 I get it.

00:54:59.000 Now, where I had more of a problem with this is the immigrant crime issue, because to me, like on this one I get because it's a value play. 1.00

00:55:07.000 On the immigrant crime thing, I was like, hey, you don't have to make boogeymen out of them.

00:55:11.000 People are already very wary of them.

00:55:14.000 Our crime problem in this country is not immigrant motivated, illegal immigrant motivated. 1.00

00:55:19.000 I don't think you have to exaggerate things.

00:55:21.000 The truth is often enough.

00:55:23.000 The southern border is a nightmare.

00:55:25.000 The Democrats allowed it to stay that way and actually exacerbated the problem.

00:55:28.000 That's enough.

00:55:29.000 My complaint with Trump was you don't have to demonize the people who are coming over here.

00:55:34.000 The truth is enough for you.

00:55:35.000 But would you acknowledge that them coming over, they committed a crime?

00:55:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:39.000 So then they're criminals.

00:55:40.000 I know, but that's juicing the statistic. 0.97

00:55:44.000 He's talking about raping, murdering, those crimes.

00:55:47.000 We can get to that, but there is something to be said that if I just show up in your living room, It's absolutely wrong.

00:55:53.000 Unless somebody is chasing you across the border with a gun, your life is in jeopardy.

00:55:58.000 Otherwise, it's a crime.

00:55:59.000 You know that's not happening, right?

00:56:00.000 It's a crime.

00:56:01.000 It's almost always economic, and it is always a crime to enter illegally.

00:56:06.000 No question about it.

00:56:07.000 What you do about it is what we should be talking about.

00:56:09.000 Not here, but I mean, you know, we should be talking about what do you do, how are you going to do it, And getting it done.

00:56:37.000 And so those stories aren't misrepresentations.

00:56:40.000 They're real things that happened.

00:56:42.000 And again, what is the vibe, because Kamala's talking about vibes a lot, that Trump played into, is that you guys are not doing well.

00:56:49.000 And for whatever reason, we're allowing all these people in an unregulated fashion.

00:56:53.000 And again, what does it get back to?

00:56:55.000 This was Trump's brilliance.

00:56:56.000 That ad, the immigration question, it's an affront to our instinctive, God-built, programmed lives. 0.89

00:57:05.000 Attunement of justice, of right or wrong.

00:57:07.000 People say, that's not right.

00:57:11.000 Where it's hard for people to disagree with the position, you're in a very good space.

00:57:16.000 And immigration, it's been on poll preferences before, but it's never been like a main thing, the way it has the last couple of cycles.

00:57:27.000 And I think that that has been a huge differentiator that has been beneficial to the right slash Trump, which is...

00:57:35.000 Really, that far-left explanation of open borders, you know, it's very hard to find a Democrat who's in power who's in favor of an open border.

00:57:44.000 But the perception that, well, Trump had this set of rules.

00:57:50.000 You came in, and you got rid of all of them because they were his, and you did nothing to replace it to deal with the problem, and it all got worse on your watch.

00:57:58.000 It's really hard with anybody to disagree with that.

00:58:02.000 It's demonstrably true.

00:58:04.000 And then the issue, because it's politics and it was made into a powerful narrative, became really important to everybody.

00:58:12.000 And everybody, and Governor...

00:58:15.000 What state?

00:58:16.000 Texas Governor Abbott.

00:58:18.000 You've got to put him on your list.

00:58:20.000 And I should have thought of him.

00:58:22.000 Him sending illegal migrants to other states was a genius political move. 1.00

00:58:29.000 You can talk about the humanity of it.

00:58:30.000 But...

00:58:32.000 Because now it made these other populations.

00:58:34.000 Look at New York City.

00:58:35.000 We never talked about that before.

00:58:36.000 For the record, it wasn't just because of Abbott.

00:58:38.000 Joe Biden and the DHS also, they do flights out from the ports of entry, right?

00:58:43.000 So it wasn't just red state governors.

00:58:45.000 Right, but he did it with an intentionality.

00:58:48.000 There was some political theatrics to it.

00:58:51.000 However, the policy of the Department of Homeland Security is that you go to a port of entry and we will give you a flight to 30 cities that you're choosing.

00:59:00.000 Right.

00:59:00.000 And so it did nationalize the immigration question.

00:59:02.000 Yeah, and I agree with both.

00:59:05.000 And look, catch and release is another one of those things that it is hard to be in favor of as a principle.

00:59:15.000 So wait, you're going to catch somebody doing something wrong, and you're going to let them go and hope they come back and probably get kicked out of the country.

00:59:23.000 So can I ask you a question, Chris?

00:59:24.000 Why do you think the Democrats...

00:59:29.000 the last four years if it does it if it's so insane why do you think that is several reasons okay uh one because solving that problem is not as useful to them until now as weaponizing the problem and i believe that about both sides that it allowed democrats to say boy do you people hate people you are anti-american you don't even love immigrants anymore 0.99

00:59:55.000 you toxic whiteys and it allowed the right to say you people are crazy You do not use your brain. 0.97

01:00:04.000 There is nothing good about what's pouring over the border. 0.99

01:00:06.000 And I really believe that's a big motivator and why neither side, you know, Obama had both houses, didn't, you know, did health care, didn't do this.

01:00:14.000 Nobody has, when they've had the chance, has tried to do this except late in the game this last cycle, which everybody saw through.

01:00:20.000 Second reason, they do have a left flank issue. 0.89

01:00:23.000 They do have a left flank issue that is hypersympathetic To the suffrage of those people and believe that you should just be welcoming all in.

01:00:35.000 That's what this country is.

01:00:36.000 That's what it is.

01:00:37.000 It's best.

01:00:37.000 The main reason, though, was in politics, what they call paralysis by analysis.

01:00:45.000 So the numbers start going bad.

01:00:47.000 They know in Biden administration it's because they relaxed those home country agreements and the other executive orders.

01:00:54.000 Now the problem is theirs. 0.50

01:00:56.000 So what you do in politics nine times out of ten is ignore it and focus on something else instead of owning and fixing because owning gets you owned.

01:01:06.000 I mean, but if you know that 10,000 people a day are coming into your country and you ignore it, how is that not treason?

01:01:13.000 It's not treason.

01:01:14.000 I mean, just like, let's look at it analytically, nonpolitically.

01:01:16.000 You allow 10,000 people to come in and you just ignore it.

01:01:19.000 How are you not fulfilling your obligation to the country?

01:01:22.000 Well, you could argue that it is mis or even malfeasance.

01:01:27.000 Treason, no.

01:01:28.000 Treason is a defined crime where you're giving comfort to an enemy.

01:01:31.000 You're assuming that all of these people are therefore enemies, which they are.

01:01:34.000 Well, the cartels are enemies.

01:01:34.000 Well, but they're not all cartel people.

01:01:36.000 But enough are to...

01:01:37.000 Not to be treason, but look, it's definitely political malpractice.

01:01:42.000 It was definitely wrong, and the cartels, I think, are a great emphasizeser of that point, and fentanyl, which got very little attention.

01:01:51.000 But again, I don't want to dwell too much on the treason thing.

01:01:53.000 I'm not grilling you.

01:01:54.000 I'm just trying to understand, because you talk to Democrats a lot, and you know many of them.

01:01:57.000 And I'm okay being grilled, bud.

01:01:58.000 I have my own speculation, of which is nothing but that, how you can say that you're governing a country, and you're spending all this money on Ukraine, and all this stuff on abstractions, and you just are kind of, at best, indifferent to your own nation being overrun.

01:02:16.000 You know what I would say to that?

01:02:17.000 Here's what I would add to that, Chris.

01:02:21.000 You know, Charlie earlier said, hey, what's the number one reason what he thinks is buying Twitter?

01:02:25.000 I'm like, you know what?

01:02:25.000 I agree.

01:02:26.000 And my reason for saying yes is because if Twitter was still owned by Dorsey, ran by the old guy, I don't remember his name, the CEO, A lot of people wouldn't be back on, and the first domino of getting Trump back on social was Twitter when he let Alex Jones back on, when he let Andrew Tate back on, when he let Trump back on, and Trump wouldn't tweet because he was still on truth, and Facebook follows, Instagram follows, everybody else follows, right?

01:02:57.000 If that doesn't happen, we don't hear the counterarguments to everything, and we can be gaslit into believing that nothing's really going on with the border.

01:03:06.000 That opens it up where someone like me, I run a big insurance agency, and what my day looked like is every day people would bring me things and say, watch what he did.

01:03:18.000 That's not compliant.

01:03:20.000 And eventually the bigger the insurance company becomes, you're all becoming a compliance officer.

01:03:24.000 Trust me, it's not fun, but you're constantly trying to see who's in the right and who's in the wrong.

01:03:28.000 And all I do throughout the day is your two arguments.

01:03:30.000 Well, here's what they did, and they should have given us the insurance policy.

01:03:33.000 Really?

01:03:34.000 Yeah.

01:03:34.000 What else?

01:03:35.000 Anything else you want to tell me before I go ask him questions?

01:03:37.000 These are the two facts you need to know.

01:03:39.000 Perfect.

01:03:39.000 Hey, what happened here?

01:03:41.000 Da-da-da-da-da. 0.90

01:03:41.000 He didn't tell me that. 0.90

01:03:42.000 Yeah, what else?

01:03:43.000 Da-da-da-da. 0.81

01:03:43.000 Can you show me proof? 0.81

01:03:44.000 Yeah, here's the email.

01:03:44.000 Can you show me the text?

01:03:45.000 Got it.

01:03:46.000 Hey, you didn't tell me about it.

01:03:48.000 Well, yeah, but it's not fair.

01:03:49.000 He always, you like him more than I said.

01:03:50.000 No, no.

01:03:51.000 Now you're getting emotional.

01:03:52.000 He has a better argument than you do.

01:03:54.000 Take all the emotion aside.

01:03:57.000 Leaving the border open, you're the border czar, and then later on you want to run and you're not.

01:04:03.000 Hey, kids competing, boys competing.

01:04:06.000 There's so much of this that the person that's not involved in politics, that I don't need to have 45 years in politics or 60 years to say, no, common sense, this doesn't make sense.

01:04:15.000 No, common sense, this doesn't make sense.

01:04:16.000 You have to be right because of what we just saw in the returns.

01:04:19.000 Right.

01:04:19.000 Well, it's not about I have to be right.

01:04:20.000 I think the American people who don't have time to follow politics, but they've lived a life long enough where they trust common sense, sit there and say, that's the party of common sense.

01:04:31.000 You don't make any sense.

01:04:33.000 I can't vote for you because you don't make any sense with the border, with the economy, with marriage, with the way you're okay with these guys competing.

01:04:42.000 To me, that's the part.

01:04:44.000 If the Democrats today don't make adjustments...

01:04:48.000 And they stay arrogant, thinking Obama can come and save them.

01:04:51.000 Obama no longer has the voice he used to have.

01:04:53.000 By the way, the report comes out, Rob, and if we're on this border thing, let's do this before we go to the next one.

01:05:01.000 They announced that Tom Holman...

01:05:04.000 Is officially the Director of Immigration in Law Enforcement, the border czar.

01:05:11.000 And when that was announced, I think about a year ago, a year and a half ago, we talked about, Rob, that if Trump gets elected, if you can go on Twitter, Rob, just play that clip from the podcast.

01:05:19.000 I said, if Trump gets elected...

01:05:22.000 This guy's going to be the border czar.

01:05:23.000 And if he does, this is the wrong guy.

01:05:25.000 They don't want this guy to be.

01:05:26.000 And go ahead and play this clip.

01:05:27.000 And then you'll see him going up against AOC and how he handles AOC. Go ahead, Rob.

01:05:32.000 If Trump wins, this guy is going to be back running the border.

01:05:37.000 And I want to remind you guys who this guy is when he sat down with AOC and AOC tried to grill him.

01:05:42.000 And watch what happened to AOC when she tried to grill a man who knows the law. 1.00

01:05:48.000 Watch this.

01:05:49.000 Go ahead.

01:05:50.000 Of the many that you recommended, you recommended family separation.

01:05:54.000 I recommended zero tolerance.

01:05:56.000 Which includes family separation.

01:05:58.000 The same as it is whenever U.S. citizen parent gets arrested with a child.

01:06:05.000 Bartender.

01:06:06.000 Zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that separated children from their parents.

01:06:11.000 If I get arrested for DUI and I have a young child in a car, I'm going to be separated.

01:06:15.000 When I was a police officer in New York and I arrested a father for domestic violence, I separated that father from his family.

01:06:20.000 Mr.

01:06:20.000 Holmes, with all due respect, legal asylees are not charged with any crime.

01:06:26.000 What?

01:06:28.000 When you're in the country illegally, it's a violation of the United States Code 1325.

01:06:32.000 Seeking asylum is legal. 0.99

01:06:34.000 If you want to seek asylum to go to the port of entry, do it the legal way.

01:06:37.000 You can pause it right there.

01:06:38.000 The Attorney General...

01:06:39.000 Nothing that can be said.

01:06:41.000 So the average person watches this and lets you say, by the way...

01:06:45.000 I know a lot of people are going to think this is weird.

01:06:47.000 I actually like AOC. I know it's going to sound weird.

01:06:50.000 I actually like AOC. I think AOC, every once in a while, she has a little bit of the anti-establishment in her. 1.00

01:06:56.000 She doesn't like the Pelosi.

01:06:57.000 She doesn't like the Schumers. 0.99

01:06:58.000 She's a socialist.

01:06:59.000 She's completely on the opposite side.

01:07:01.000 But she's also not the most establishment left person.

01:07:05.000 Sometimes she makes some decent arguments. 0.68

01:07:06.000 But you watch AOC, you're like, you know what?

01:07:08.000 She gives me the vibes that she wants to be the working people. 0.98

01:07:11.000 But she's also bought into a philosophy where she faces a guy like that with common sense who loves America.

01:07:16.000 Boom.

01:07:17.000 Stopped.

01:07:17.000 See, I think the American people right now are glad that guy is in.

01:07:21.000 And Charlie, maybe give us an update because you're working with some of the counsel on who's coming in on the team.

01:07:26.000 That's why I keep checking.

01:07:27.000 I'm not being rude.

01:07:28.000 It's literally happening in real time.

01:07:29.000 I totally get it.

01:07:29.000 Give us an update.

01:07:31.000 Give us an update on what's going on there.

01:07:32.000 First of all, I mean, I've never been more encouraged...

01:07:35.000 Ever.

01:07:36.000 I'm only involved in two transitions if you count this one.

01:07:38.000 There is this constant repetition at Mar-a-Lago right now about we need to fulfill the mandate.

01:07:44.000 And it doesn't matter anything else except what did the voters select and what is going to allow the president to fulfill the mandate that voters gave him.

01:07:53.000 I think his picks so far have been terrific.

01:07:55.000 I do encourage people, unless you see it on Donald Trump's Truth Social, it is not...

01:08:00.000 It is not verified, okay?

01:08:03.000 You're talking about who's going to be in the administration?

01:08:05.000 Correct.

01:08:05.000 Yeah, I mean, some people say, well, Rubio selected.

01:08:07.000 Well, it very well might be, but that's not verified yet, okay?

01:08:09.000 And people, there's a lot of Twitterati chatter right now, and you guys got to, if you don't see it on Donald Trump's Truth Social, there is an exhaustive process to get it on Trump's Truth Social, and then it's signed, sealed, and delivered, right?

01:08:21.000 It's an ironic situation, because usually that It's the last place I would go to know.

01:08:26.000 No, but right now I can just tell you that there's a whole process.

01:08:31.000 I think Eric Trump also said that last night on Hannity.

01:08:32.000 When Hannity asked him about Rubio and he says, look, if my father hasn't said it, it's not verified.

01:08:36.000 Which I also, please.

01:08:37.000 Are they worried about taking too many sitting lawmakers?

01:08:41.000 Well, that's my concern, which is public, is that, again, this is nothing private, is that...

01:08:46.000 We're going to have a two or three seat majority in the House.

01:08:49.000 So already out of the gate, we have Lillie Stefanik and Mike Walls, which very well could get us down to a one seat majority.

01:08:56.000 So yes, that is a concern.

01:08:58.000 Senate is not as much.

01:09:00.000 However, you do then trigger potential special elections.

01:09:02.000 And we know that with the tail of Jeff Sessions of Alabama, you could actually lose a Senate seat with a really amped up Democrat party.

01:09:10.000 I think that's a big concern.

01:09:13.000 Whether or not my concern gets internalized or gets heard is a separate issue.

01:09:19.000 But I think that if you have too many special elections, you allow a desperate Democrat party that obviously has a lot of money to get newfound momentum while you're trying to actually get your administration off the ground.

01:09:30.000 So that is definitely a concern of mine.

01:09:33.000 However, you have to build your cabinet.

01:09:35.000 That's your priority.

01:09:36.000 I think Elise Stefanik is terrific.

01:09:37.000 I think she'll do great.

01:09:38.000 But you don't want to build your cabinet and lose the majority.

01:09:41.000 Which conceivably it could happen.

01:09:42.000 Because then you can't do anything.

01:09:43.000 Yeah.

01:09:45.000 The difference is this, is that the Senate you can immediately replace with a governor appointment.

01:09:49.000 The House does not have such constitutional ability.

01:09:52.000 Right.

01:09:52.000 It's state by state with the Senate though, right?

01:09:54.000 The governors replace and then whether they give them the full term or a special election is state by state.

01:09:59.000 However, it is an immediate fill of a vacancy that is in the U.S. Constitution.

01:10:04.000 However, a House of Representatives member does not get a vacancy filled by a governor appointment.

01:10:09.000 So it remains vacant until a special election, which is a very important technical difference.

01:10:13.000 So, for example, if Marco Rubio does end up getting Secretary of State, not verified yet, everybody, Governor DeSantis the next morning can say X, Y, Z. So you don't lose the seat.

01:10:22.000 You don't lose the seat.

01:10:23.000 The House of Representatives, Elise Stefanik, Governor Hochul does not...

01:10:27.000 That's a very important distinction to know the difference between those two things.

01:10:31.000 Yeah, so Governor Hochul doesn't replace...

01:10:33.000 Yeah, because you're picking your people who are...

01:10:35.000 So you think of the right people, but you may be depleting the team that you need.

01:10:39.000 Correct.

01:10:39.000 You know, so it's an interesting thing.

01:10:41.000 And also, you know, your point about looking at it in truth, it's part of the blessing and curse of social media.

01:10:47.000 You know, your TikTok, when we were looking at it, you got 5 million followers, which is a really big number on TikTok.

01:10:53.000 But...

01:10:54.000 Your views are way, way beyond your followers.

01:10:59.000 That is the blessing and curse of social media, is that things get put out, and if they're good for you, great.

01:11:07.000 If they're bad for you, terrible, because it'll be seen a gazillion more times than even the people who are looking at you, which is something that can be weaponized.

01:11:16.000 And, you know, I don't know the answer to it.

01:11:19.000 I really don't.

01:11:19.000 It's easy to say, and the media loves to do this.

01:11:22.000 The media loves to hate on itself, which is something you realize when you've been in it for a while.

01:11:26.000 So they're enjoying very much now saying digital media, podcast.

01:11:29.000 That's where it is.

01:11:30.000 That's where it is.

01:11:31.000 Can I interject on that, though?

01:11:32.000 Go ahead.

01:11:32.000 And I want your thought, Chris.

01:11:33.000 So I have an opinion that the next wave, the American people will not reward a presidential candidate with their vote.

01:11:43.000 If they cannot sustain a three-hour uninterrupted podcast like Rogan or this one, I think that is the new standard.

01:11:49.000 I think the days that meet the press or sitting down with 60 minutes for a 15-minute interview, I think those days are being sunsetted.

01:11:57.000 And I think the new normal is that you have to earn my vote by sitting down with Joe Rogan for three hours, sitting down with PBD. Because here's what long-form podcasting does.

01:12:07.000 There's no breaks.

01:12:09.000 It could go any direction.

01:12:11.000 There's a million different ways, and therefore, very difficult to prepare for.

01:12:16.000 So you get a very, very accurate picture of who the individual actually is.

01:12:21.000 I think you are correct that the expectations of the electorate are changing.

01:12:28.000 I think that forum is unknown at this point.

01:12:33.000 Joe Rogan is certainly not Mike Wallace, okay?

01:12:37.000 Don't diminish Joe.

01:12:38.000 I think Joe Logan is way smarter than people get credit for.

01:12:40.000 I'm not saying he's not smart.

01:12:42.000 I'm saying, look, I watched every second of him with Trump.

01:12:46.000 I've watched 50 hours of Joe Rogan.

01:12:50.000 He calls it a conversation for a reason.

01:12:52.000 By the way, I'm a big fan of conversation.

01:12:54.000 I do a lot more of it now than I used to.

01:12:57.000 I used to just do testing sessions because I didn't have the time.

01:13:00.000 Fair enough.

01:13:01.000 So I had to zero in.

01:13:02.000 I'm not denigrating Joe Rogan.

01:13:04.000 His success speaks for itself.

01:13:05.000 What I'm saying is...

01:13:07.000 I don't see him as a legit vetter of people.

01:13:10.000 Can I say something on that?

01:13:12.000 I disagree, but I want people to go.

01:13:13.000 Yeah, let me say something on that.

01:13:14.000 So, you know, when I was coming up in the financial space, I had such a fear of asking myself, dude, I don't have a finance degree.

01:13:24.000 I'm sitting in a class with Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, a guy sitting to my left in my class of Morgan's at Mark Hopkins Hotel San Francisco because 9-11 happened so we couldn't go to World Trade Center.

01:13:34.000 They sent us to their office in San Francisco.

01:13:36.000 You know what the kid's name was sitting to my left?

01:13:37.000 That was a new advisor with Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, Ted Williams III. I'm sitting there like, how the F am I going to compete with your market?

01:13:46.000 This guy goes and presents, Hi, I'm Ted Williams III with Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.

01:13:50.000 I'd like to talk to you about your defensive strategy when it comes down to your investments.

01:13:54.000 Do you have 30 to 45 minutes to spend time with me?

01:13:57.000 Of course.

01:13:57.000 Do you have any stories?

01:13:59.000 I'd love to tell you some stories.

01:14:00.000 Hi, I am Patrick Bedavid coming to you from Iran, and I want to tell you how I can give you some offensive strategy on your investment.

01:14:07.000 Who do they have for you?

01:14:08.000 Did you say Iran?

01:14:09.000 Yes.

01:14:10.000 Hell no, you're not coming to my house, right?

01:14:12.000 So I'm like, how the hell are you going to compete with these guys?

01:14:14.000 This guy, finance degree.

01:14:17.000 And then I go in and I realize, no, no, no, no, no.

01:14:20.000 That fooled you.

01:14:22.000 Outwork, outimprove, outstrategize, outlast and common sense.

01:14:25.000 Very simple.

01:14:27.000 Maybe the political party, if you set aside the left, right, center, and we gave a score to common sense.

01:14:35.000 I saw a clip by this lady.

01:14:37.000 Rob, if you can prepare this clip.

01:14:39.000 She's a political analyst.

01:14:41.000 She goes to buy a bottle of wine, and she's talking to the person.

01:14:44.000 I want you to...

01:14:45.000 This is how I feel sometimes people that are in this business of politics for so long that they think so highly of themselves that they're pompous, arrogant, and play this...

01:14:55.000 Look at her reaction to how she talks.

01:14:57.000 Folks, tell me how likable this personality is.

01:15:00.000 Go ahead, Rob.

01:15:02.000 Okay, so...

01:15:03.000 We're closing in on almost 5 p.m.

01:15:05.000 Eastern Time.

01:15:06.000 This is Election Day.

01:15:07.000 I'm tracking everything that's been going on across the country today.

01:15:10.000 And my most important encounter was when I went out to get my champagne.

01:15:18.000 I was talking to the guy in the store, of course, asking him, did he vote?

01:15:24.000 And he said he did early voting, and he asked me if I early voted.

01:15:29.000 And he asked me, you know, Why I was getting the champagne and I said because I'm gonna be toasting Madam President tonight and he just looked at me with kind of like a smirk on his face and I said you know she's she's gonna win this right he says oh well it's very very close and I said no it's not says well what do you mean I said no it's not the women of America are making their voices heard reproductive rights is what it all comes down to and the women are voting in 0.62

01:15:59.000 in numbers relative to men that are unbelievable.

01:16:02.000 She's won this.

01:16:03.000 And I said to him, she's going to take every one of the swing states plus Iowa. 0.98

01:16:07.000 And he said, oh, but the numbers are so close.

01:16:10.000 I said, I'm a political analyst.

01:16:12.000 I'm a political analyst.

01:16:13.000 Right now, the numbers are there.

01:16:15.000 She's taking this election. 1.00

01:16:16.000 And I said to him, you realize, and he didn't tell me who he voted for, but of course I knew.

01:16:22.000 And I said, you do realize you wasted your vote, right?

01:16:28.000 and I didn't care.

01:16:30.000 And I walked out with my bottle of champagne and happily walked home.

01:16:37.000 Bye-bye.

01:16:39.000 By the way...

01:16:40.000 How is she doing now?

01:16:41.000 Well, I would love to see her go back to that same liquor to buy that champagne. 1.00

01:16:46.000 She's probably been buying a lot of liquor. 0.99

01:16:48.000 By the way, it's not champagne.

01:16:50.000 It's much harder stuff than that.

01:16:51.000 It's probably absent.

01:16:52.000 But going back to it, see, to me, that lady... 1.00

01:16:56.000 Is so indoctrinated.

01:16:59.000 She probably went to the right school.

01:17:00.000 She probably did everything the right way.

01:17:02.000 She is so, you know, brainwashed into her thinking.

01:17:06.000 Then you got a guy like this, okay, or Joe Rogan, where, you know, some people say, well, listen, like, Even you were complimentary of us earlier, like, you know, political analysts, all this stuff.

01:17:17.000 I think Charlie, for sure.

01:17:18.000 I'm just a regular business guy.

01:17:20.000 You're a big deal.

01:17:21.000 You know that.

01:17:21.000 But in the business space, I have my own opinions and my thoughts on how I'm processing issues.

01:17:26.000 And you see, this guy brings Trump in.

01:17:32.000 40 million views.

01:17:34.000 The next day, J.D. Vance.

01:17:36.000 15 million views.

01:17:37.000 The next day, which was my favorite of all the podcasts, Fetterman.

01:17:41.000 And it didn't perform that well, but that was my favorite, Fetterman.

01:17:44.000 Yeah, but there's a reason that Trump does 40, Vance does 15, and Fetterman does 5.

01:17:49.000 And it also shows that the draw is in Joe.

01:17:52.000 No, but that's...

01:17:53.000 So it's Fetterman.

01:17:54.000 Look, I'm not insulting him.

01:17:55.000 I'm saying he's got a great platform.

01:17:57.000 Musk comes in, but I think the...

01:17:59.000 And the numbers went back up?

01:18:00.000 Hear me out, though.

01:18:01.000 You know when in baseball, we watched Moneyball the other day for the 50th time.

01:18:05.000 You know why I freaking love that movie?

01:18:07.000 Jonah Hill?

01:18:08.000 No.

01:18:09.000 By the way, he's the only speaker, Billy Bean, that I've paid three times to come and speak at our events.

01:18:13.000 And you know he's the only guy that told me, I'll come, Pat.

01:18:15.000 Just please don't turn on the camera.

01:18:16.000 He doesn't like the camera.

01:18:17.000 Wow.

01:18:18.000 And we never record. 0.97

01:18:19.000 But he's ridiculous when you bring him to the event. 0.69

01:18:22.000 I freaking love Billy Bean. 0.96

01:18:24.000 Wow, I've never met him.

01:18:25.000 And here's why I love Billy Bean.

01:18:26.000 And I want to get to my point.

01:18:28.000 Billy Bean comes in and goes to Jonah.

01:18:30.000 And he's in that room with Cleveland Indians.

01:18:33.000 And he's like, hey, I'll give you ring corner, whatever the guy's in there.

01:18:36.000 No.

01:18:37.000 Yeah, and $200,000.

01:18:39.000 What do you think?

01:18:40.000 And then the guy he looks at, looks at Jonah.

01:18:43.000 Jonah's like, no, we're not going to do it.

01:18:46.000 And he's like, Brad, Pritt's looking at the guy and said, what just happened right now?

01:18:49.000 Okay, forget it.

01:18:50.000 Just no money.

01:18:51.000 Just give me the players.

01:18:53.000 He's like, who the hell is that guy?

01:18:55.000 Then he goes to that guy.

01:18:57.000 He goes to his desk.

01:18:57.000 He says, hey, what just happened in there?

01:18:59.000 Who are you?

01:19:00.000 What's your background?

01:19:01.000 Who's your father?

01:19:02.000 Who's your uncle?

01:19:02.000 Who played in the major leagues?

01:19:03.000 He says, nothing.

01:19:04.000 What'd you do?

01:19:05.000 I'm yelled.

01:19:05.000 Do you like the game?

01:19:06.000 No, I'm not a baseball guy.

01:19:07.000 What the F just happened?

01:19:09.000 That day, Chris, is when baseball realized the most important stat in baseball isn't home run, not doubles, not RBIs, not stolen bases, not ERA. The most important data on baseball is on-base percentage.

01:19:21.000 Do you know what's happened in the last four years?

01:19:23.000 The most important stat in politics is common sense, baby.

01:19:27.000 And Joe's got a lot of it.

01:19:28.000 I think that's what it is.

01:19:29.000 I'm not disputing that.

01:19:31.000 I'm just saying, to Charlie's point about what the future of the process is, I think you're going to see a lot more talent, You're going to see a lot more personalities.

01:19:42.000 You're going to see a lot more people with ideas enter that space from other spaces, like Patrick, by the way, who will come in with an acumen, and they'll be conducting interviews that will be longer.

01:19:55.000 I don't know about three hours, but they'll be longer.

01:19:57.000 I struggle to get through watching, let alone participating.

01:20:02.000 But I agree with you that it's an absolutely legitimate space.

01:20:06.000 I also believe that Joe Rogan, to his credit...

01:20:09.000 It's a one-off.

01:20:10.000 I don't know if a year from now or two years from now he'll be as dominant.

01:20:14.000 That's not fair, really, to say, because as his space expands, you know, you can't expect somebody...

01:20:19.000 He's kept his throne for a couple years.

01:20:20.000 I know, but I think now you're seeing a period...

01:20:22.000 Look, Tucker has challenged him a couple of different times in terms of the metrics.

01:20:27.000 Why?

01:20:27.000 A different level of talent coming into that space has a different level of draw.

01:20:32.000 So I agree with you.

01:20:34.000 I think that space is very vital.

01:20:35.000 That's why I've been in it.

01:20:36.000 When I came back, when I got cammed by CNN, my first move was not to go back on TV.

01:20:41.000 I frankly thought I wouldn't go back on TV.

01:20:44.000 If I didn't believe in what the News Nation guys were doing, I wasn't going to go back.

01:20:48.000 Not for the best reasons, but personally, I guess my ego was so damaged by getting canned that I was like, well, what can I do that would restore, what job could I take where I'd feel like I'm back?

01:21:00.000 You know, I've done all these jobs already.

01:21:03.000 So I went into the podcast because I believe that it was way more organic space and I sensed that people were highly anti-establishment.

01:21:12.000 And that that space gives you that.

01:21:15.000 And I'm going to go to a couple of these things that we stopped 45 minutes to go through.

01:21:20.000 When I think about media, I don't sit there and say, Fox News, CNN, the establishment mainstream media.

01:21:27.000 The only reason why we say that is because they all get locked in.

01:21:33.000 Pfizer.

01:21:35.000 COVID. Russia. 0.95

01:21:39.000 That's why it's called establishment.

01:21:42.000 But if I'm seeing a guy gets up there and he's like, what the hell are you talking about?

01:21:45.000 No, I disagree.

01:21:46.000 Within the same platform, and you're allowing for the conversation, I don't care if it's cable network or podcast.

01:21:51.000 We just want that discussion.

01:21:53.000 Yeah, I totally get it.

01:21:54.000 So I'm not, and this is why I'm complimentary of NewsNation.

01:21:57.000 I didn't, by the way, nothing against them.

01:21:59.000 I didn't know about NewsNation until you told me about NewsNation.

01:22:02.000 And we start talking about that.

01:22:03.000 And now, you want to know what my number one is right now?

01:22:05.000 I go to NewsNation first before I go to these other guys.

01:22:07.000 You better.

01:22:08.000 We're friends.

01:22:09.000 It's not even the friendship part.

01:22:10.000 It's because I think, well, you bring me in, but now I'm seeing some of the stuff that's happening that I can at least see the conversation.

01:22:18.000 So here's the point with Rogan.

01:22:20.000 Rogan gets the request, and he'll explain here what it is.

01:22:22.000 Rob, is this the one that he's explaining Kamala's request?

01:22:24.000 So here's Rogan describing what Kamala's camp is asking if they choose to do the podcast.

01:22:30.000 Go for it.

01:22:31.000 This is one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to Kamala Harris.

01:22:33.000 I'm like, I bet there's a person in there.

01:22:34.000 I bet I can get to that person.

01:22:36.000 Yeah.

01:22:36.000 I wanted to find that person.

01:22:37.000 I don't want to hear all the speeches.

01:22:39.000 I don't want to hear...

01:22:40.000 I was raised middle class. 0.99

01:22:41.000 I don't want to hear any of that sh**. 0.99

01:22:42.000 She's a roller skater. 1.00

01:22:43.000 You know that?

01:22:43.000 No.

01:22:44.000 I would love to find out.

01:22:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:22:45.000 I would love to talk to her about all kinds of sh**. 0.99

01:22:49.000 I literally said, because there was a few restrictions of things they didn't want to talk about. 0.99

01:22:53.000 But I said, I don't give a f**k. 0.99

01:22:55.000 I go get her in here. 1.00

01:22:56.000 Like, whatever you want to talk about.

01:22:57.000 And they want to know if I edit.

01:22:58.000 I'm like, there's not going to be anything.

01:23:01.000 We're not going to add it.

01:23:03.000 Yeah, that's the same thing they asked us.

01:23:05.000 Is there an edit?

01:23:06.000 I just wanted to talk.

01:23:09.000 I feel like you give someone a couple of hours and you start talking about anything.

01:23:14.000 I'm going to see the pattern of the way you think.

01:23:17.000 I'm going to see the way you process ideas.

01:23:19.000 That's right.

01:23:20.000 I'm going to see whether or not you're calculated or whether you're just free.

01:23:24.000 Exactly.

01:23:24.000 Are you comfortable with you or are you projecting things?

01:23:29.000 She's got 80 different accents. 0.98

01:23:31.000 How do you decide which one to pull out?

01:23:33.000 Yeah.

01:23:35.000 She busts out different accents depending on what she's talking to.

01:23:38.000 And meanwhile, when you look at this, okay, Rob, go to Twitter.

01:23:41.000 This one fellow did a tweet breaking down the numbers on how each camp spent money.

01:23:47.000 If you can just go to my profile, Rob, and I retweeted it.

01:23:51.000 Just go to mine.

01:23:52.000 And yeah, if you can go there and go lower.

01:23:55.000 So you hear this, keep going lower, keep going lower, keep going lower, keep going lower, lower, lower, lower.

01:23:59.000 You'll see it right there.

01:24:00.000 Okay, so Justin Blinson, let's give him a shout out.

01:24:03.000 So Justin, wonder who is painting a better picture for America?

01:24:07.000 Campaign spending.

01:24:07.000 Trump raised $381,000.

01:24:09.000 Spent $354,000.

01:24:11.000 Only $10.4 million was spent on staff.

01:24:14.000 Kamala.

01:24:17.000 $1.37 billion.

01:24:20.000 $582 billion was spent on staff.

01:24:23.000 Can I say something?

01:24:24.000 Let me just say, I'm going to come straight to you right after this.

01:24:26.000 Because, you know, if you can, you know, you know when you go like a guy asked me a question, can you give some money to our charity?

01:24:33.000 What percentage of the money is spent on staff?

01:24:35.000 It's the first question I ask.

01:24:39.000 If you can send me what percentage of the money spent on staff, I'll give you the money.

01:24:42.000 Oh, our CEO makes 670.

01:24:44.000 I'm sorry, bro.

01:24:45.000 I'm not doing that.

01:24:46.000 Because the money's not going to the people.

01:24:48.000 Okay?

01:24:49.000 Oh, we don't spend that much money on staff.

01:24:51.000 It's as much.

01:24:51.000 No problem.

01:24:52.000 Here's 50K. Here's 10K. Here's 100K. Based on what's being spent.

01:24:55.000 When you see a structure like this, and numbers like this, and then you get stories that they gave apparently Beyonce $10 million.

01:25:02.000 They gave Caller Daddy $100,000 to build a studio that they could have built for, what, $5,000, Rob, or whatever that was.

01:25:08.000 They gave Oprah Winfrey $1 million.

01:25:10.000 I bet Oprah's pissed off that they gave Beyonce 10 times what they gave her. 1.00

01:25:14.000 Now, these are numbers that we're reading about, right?

01:25:16.000 Is this the one, Rob?

01:25:17.000 Yeah.

01:25:18.000 Play this clip, and I'll go to Charlie.

01:25:19.000 Go ahead.

01:25:20.000 Ten million dollars for Beyonce to step up and back Kamala Harris publicly.

01:25:26.000 Five million for Megan Thee Stallion.

01:25:29.000 Three million for Lizzo.

01:25:31.000 1.8 million for Eminem.

01:25:33.000 I mean, is that normally how it goes?

01:25:34.000 You spend 20 million, you get yourself in debt to try to get a bunch of rich celebrities on stage?

01:25:39.000 I've never seen that.

01:25:41.000 Maybe I'm ignorant of the fact, but wow!

01:25:44.000 Charlie.

01:25:44.000 A couple thoughts.

01:25:45.000 So we ran one of the more criticized and now very silent outside groups that helped Donald Trump.

01:25:52.000 So we had a super PAC and a 501C4, and we were attacked.

01:25:54.000 And you guys can look at the articles almost every day.

01:25:56.000 Donald Trump's unproven ground game.

01:25:58.000 You probably saw these articles, right, Chris?

01:25:59.000 I mean, it was a narrative, right?

01:26:01.000 That Donald Trump does not have a ground game.

01:26:03.000 Well...

01:26:03.000 They were talking about what Turning Point and Elon were doing, and we would continually tell the media, like, well, we're actually delivering results.

01:26:10.000 We've registered hundreds of tens of thousands of people.

01:26:13.000 We're chasing ballots.

01:26:14.000 And the Kamala campaign was running this massive op where a lot of consultants made money where they'd be like, well, we knocked on 18 million doors this weekend or something.

01:26:23.000 And I'd say, well, how many ballots did you put in the box?

01:26:27.000 How many votes did you actually bank in the early voting period?

01:26:30.000 And we were able to disclose all those numbers in real time as they were happening.

01:26:34.000 And something is amiss.

01:26:36.000 Somebody made a lot of money on this Kamala campaign.

01:26:39.000 Like, a lot.

01:26:39.000 I don't know who, but I can tell you, being around campaigns a lot, a billion dollars spent 90 days and ending up in debt with very, very little to show for it, it's highly unusual.

01:26:49.000 And it is the opposite of what happened in 2020.

01:26:52.000 And again, the Trump campaign team deserves great credit.

01:26:54.000 In 2020...

01:26:56.000 The Trump campaign team ran out of money and was bankrupt by late September.

01:27:00.000 You can find that article.

01:27:01.000 Trump campaign team, financial woes, 2020.

01:27:05.000 It was like September or October.

01:27:06.000 Donald Trump, in 2020, he started with a billion-dollar cash advantage, and that team spent it almost all the way down, right?

01:27:13.000 If you could go down...

01:27:14.000 I'm sure you can...

01:27:16.000 Find it somewhere there.

01:27:18.000 Yeah, in financial peril.

01:27:19.000 Yep, that's it right there.

01:27:20.000 How Trump's billion-dollar campaign lost its cash advantage.

01:27:23.000 New York Times, what's the date there on that article?

01:27:26.000 September 7th, 2020.

01:27:27.000 My memory's right on.

01:27:28.000 And that's Shane and Maggie, the two best that the New York Times has to offer on this.

01:27:32.000 And literally, Trump was in a financially perilous position.

01:27:36.000 The Trump campaign saved their powder and was able to then outspend the Kamala campaign the last two weeks.

01:27:42.000 The final point I'll make is this.

01:27:43.000 All those totals don't count the outside money for Kamala Harris.

01:27:46.000 It doesn't count the super PACs.

01:27:47.000 It doesn't count the 501C4s.

01:27:49.000 And it goes to show that money cannot alone win a White House, that a movement can triumph over a well-funded machine.

01:27:57.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:27:58.000 And it always has been.

01:27:59.000 Look, my father lost a bunch of elections before he won one.

01:28:03.000 And nobody wanted him.

01:28:06.000 He was an outsider.

01:28:07.000 He was an ethnic.

01:28:08.000 You know, now I'm a white guy.

01:28:10.000 At a time that it was a big deal, Italian. 1.00

01:28:11.000 One generation different, right?

01:28:13.000 But he had to be mobbed up.

01:28:14.000 You know, Mercurial Mario, they called him, which was just a code for being an Italian guy.

01:28:20.000 And it was about the people who wanted him To empower them.

01:28:26.000 That's why he won.

01:28:28.000 He beat Lou Lehrman in 1982, who was the head of Rite Aid Drugstores.

01:28:34.000 And he had all the money.

01:28:35.000 He had all the cachet.

01:28:37.000 He had all the polish.

01:28:38.000 When they did their debate, my father made a moment with him where he shook his hand and he turned his wrist and he said, wow, that's a nice watch.

01:28:46.000 Because he had like this big timepiece on.

01:28:49.000 And so it didn't matter how much he was outspent.

01:28:52.000 Because the people win.

01:28:53.000 That's the beauty of our country, is that the people can still win.

01:28:57.000 But it's getting harder and harder.

01:28:59.000 It should give a lot of people hope.

01:29:01.000 Even though you're outspent 3-1 and the media is completely against you, you could still overcome that.

01:29:06.000 Although Trump's not the typical outspent guy.

01:29:10.000 He's the most famous person ever to exist.

01:29:12.000 Yeah, because he gets so much free media attention.

01:29:15.000 Although I'll tell you, one of the criticisms I got, somebody hit me with this again, it was good, it was nostalgic.

01:29:19.000 They were like, you know, Trump is your fault.

01:29:22.000 I said, I know, because I've been red-pilled, right?

01:29:24.000 And they said, no, because you gave him so much attention in 2015-2016.

01:29:33.000 I said, well, I'll tell you how it happened if you want to know.

01:29:36.000 My boss at the time decided that a phone call interview was okay because we'd rather have access than not have access.

01:29:42.000 Totally.

01:29:43.000 That's so smart.

01:29:44.000 And Trump loves doing those.

01:29:45.000 And while he was kept offering, I'll call in, I'll call in.

01:29:48.000 Because he just sits at his desk.

01:29:50.000 Right.

01:29:50.000 And I was like, well, no, you got to get in front of it.

01:29:52.000 And we didn't have Zoom.

01:29:53.000 You know, pre-pandemic and all that, Zoom wasn't a thing.

01:29:56.000 And even if it were, you weren't okay with it.

01:29:59.000 And I tell you, this is easily verifiable.

01:30:02.000 We went to the Hillary Clinton campaign, and I went to the people around her, and I said, he's calling in.

01:30:09.000 Do you want to call in?

01:30:11.000 If you want, you can come in, but you can call in.

01:30:14.000 They didn't want to do it.

01:30:16.000 Think of how much time that saves you as a candidate.

01:30:18.000 You get the full cable news treatment, right?

01:30:21.000 No, that's a great point.

01:30:23.000 And it's very hard.

01:30:24.000 I mean, we all know as podcasters, that's why Patrick, like Rogan, takes the time and effort to have you in person.

01:30:32.000 It's totally different.

01:30:33.000 It's really hard for you to get a feel, but also to get a fix on somebody remotely, let alone on the phone.

01:30:40.000 So it worked for Trump several different ways.

01:30:42.000 But just like with podcasting, he said yes.

01:30:46.000 She said no.

01:30:47.000 And just like with the podcast, he said yes, she said no relatively.

01:30:52.000 And it's a mistake.

01:30:53.000 As a candidate, you've got to say yes to everything.

01:30:56.000 You've got to do as much as you can.

01:30:57.000 You know what's amazing?

01:30:59.000 One day, I'm sizing up all my guys on my team because I know I'm about to go on a run.

01:31:05.000 This is five years ago.

01:31:06.000 And when I mean I'm going to go on a run, like, you know when you know you're going to work your ass off and nobody else knows, so it's like three years before everyone's going to find out what you're doing behind closed doors, maybe even five years, and we're going to light it up, and we're going to go, and the market's going to know what we're going to do behind closed doors.

01:31:20.000 Step number one, identify who's in and who's not.

01:31:23.000 No one knows I'm doing this.

01:31:25.000 I call everybody who has a position of influence, and I say, so, call one of my guys who was, uh, One of my agents for one of the books.

01:31:38.000 I said, so tell me, sell me the vision on who you think you see me as in the next 3, 5, 10 years.

01:31:45.000 We're going to do a lot of books together.

01:31:46.000 Who do you think I am?

01:31:48.000 And he says, I see you as the ethical version of this guy.

01:31:53.000 And I'm like, who?

01:31:54.000 I see you as this guy.

01:31:55.000 He said, wow.

01:31:57.000 I said, anything else?

01:31:58.000 He says, no.

01:31:58.000 He says, I think you're going to do a lot of things.

01:32:00.000 I said, got it.

01:32:01.000 Cool.

01:32:02.000 Hey, man, this was great.

01:32:03.000 Next person.

01:32:04.000 What do you envision?

01:32:05.000 I think you're going to do this.

01:32:07.000 Oh, okay.

01:32:07.000 What do you think?

01:32:08.000 I think you're going to do this.

01:32:09.000 Got it.

01:32:10.000 And then I realized which one of them saw the vision long-term, which one of them didn't.

01:32:15.000 Okay?

01:32:16.000 So guess what?

01:32:17.000 We have to bring somebody else in this position because you have a very influential position.

01:32:21.000 I can't have you have this position.

01:32:22.000 I'm bringing this guy in.

01:32:24.000 God bless you.

01:32:25.000 Wish you nothing but the best.

01:32:26.000 I hope you find people you fully believe in.

01:32:28.000 Because I'm rolling.

01:32:29.000 And we're going to go take over the world.

01:32:30.000 You know what we're doing with insurance, with business, all this stuff that we're going to get into, media.

01:32:34.000 And then when you see guys that sincerely are like, dude, we're going to go take over the world.

01:32:41.000 And then they tell you things that maybe you're not even seeing.

01:32:44.000 Like Charlie.

01:32:44.000 I know what Charlie's going to do.

01:32:46.000 Charlie's going to be very, very formidable for many years to come.

01:32:50.000 I've told him he runs.

01:32:51.000 This guy's going to be a candidate next 10, 20, 30 years.

01:32:54.000 Whatever he wants to do.

01:32:54.000 This guy's very, very unique.

01:32:56.000 Charlie.

01:32:57.000 I don't need anything from Charlie.

01:32:59.000 Charlie and I don't do business together.

01:33:00.000 It's not like I'm like, hey, Charlie, let's do this deal together.

01:33:02.000 There is nothing I need or want from Charlie.

01:33:05.000 There is nothing.

01:33:06.000 It's pure, authentic, I believe in you.

01:33:09.000 Us, pure, authentic, we enjoy each other's company.

01:33:12.000 More off-camera than on-camera.

01:33:14.000 We enjoy each other's own camera, but off-camera, we have a great time.

01:33:16.000 My kids love you, my family, we just have a good time together, right?

01:33:20.000 What Kamala Harris' campaign did to win over all these people... 0.94

01:33:25.000 It's what that 88-year-old billionaire did that got Anna Nicole Smith to be his wife.

01:33:33.000 I don't know if you remember that story.

01:33:35.000 What was his name?

01:33:35.000 Yeah, paid him.

01:33:36.000 Can you imagine...

01:33:39.000 And convincing yourself, this man who was 80-something years old, whatever his age was, when he married Anna Nicole.

01:33:48.000 Look at that.

01:33:49.000 Howard Marshall.

01:33:50.000 Yeah.

01:33:50.000 Oh, I love her.

01:33:51.000 And I love him.

01:33:53.000 Look at the look that she's given him.

01:33:55.000 She is so in love.

01:33:56.000 In that picture, Anna Nicole Smith is Beyonce.

01:34:01.000 That guy right there to the left is Kamala, Howard Marshall.

01:34:04.000 In that picture, Anna Nicole Smith is Eminem.

01:34:08.000 That is Kamala.

01:34:09.000 Anna Nicole Smith is all these other guys.

01:34:12.000 That's Kamala. 0.92

01:34:13.000 This is the most embarrassing, possibly the most embarrassing story to have to tell people.

01:34:19.000 I'll pay you to tell people how amazing I am.

01:34:22.000 I've got to be honest.

01:34:22.000 I've been in a lot of campaigns.

01:34:25.000 I've never heard of somebody wanting to accept performing for you.

01:34:29.000 That's one thing.

01:34:30.000 But to come out and endorse and speak, I've never heard of it.

01:34:33.000 And so we hosted President Trump twice the week before the election, once in Atlanta and Vegas.

01:34:38.000 And we had the best speaker lineup you could imagine.

01:34:40.000 Let me name the names.

01:34:41.000 Jason Aldean.

01:34:43.000 Who is number one country, right?

01:34:45.000 Tucker Carlson, Bobby Kennedy.

01:34:47.000 I mean, we had the biggest names you can imagine.

01:34:49.000 Next one, we had Carano, right?

01:34:53.000 Who is one of the...

01:34:54.000 Gina Carano.

01:34:55.000 Gina Carano.

01:34:55.000 Oh, Gina, yes.

01:34:56.000 Big name.

01:34:56.000 Of course.

01:34:57.000 We had Tucker Viola, right?

01:34:59.000 We had, like, really big names.

01:35:01.000 we didn't pay a single person.

01:35:02.000 Not a single person.

01:35:04.000 And so I don't know what world they're living in.

01:35:06.000 I've never heard of that.

01:35:07.000 I mean, and look, Tucker, all these guys, they could demand a huge fee.

01:35:11.000 You know, they said, I'm going there for the country.

01:35:13.000 They said, I wouldn't charge you for this.

01:35:14.000 We're going there to get Donald Trump elected.

01:35:16.000 I have never heard Of a campaign or a super PAC this close to an election, you know what it means?

01:35:22.000 It means they don't believe it.

01:35:23.000 It means that these celebs are not bought in and they're just looking at it as a paid in.

01:35:27.000 Of course.

01:35:27.000 And Oprah, too, took a million bucks and lied about it.

01:35:30.000 Oprah's probably sitting around saying, I could have collected another $9 million.

01:35:33.000 Oprah's pissed saying, hey, you didn't pay me nine more, I've got to go back and try to collect that money. 0.83

01:35:36.000 But I mean, for her, a million bucks, why even charge it? 0.81

01:35:38.000 But there's different things.

01:35:40.000 This is kind of like, you know, when the lawyer does, when once a year you're representing somebody that you're not taking any money from.

01:35:47.000 Pro bono.

01:35:47.000 Pro bono, right?

01:35:48.000 This is a cause.

01:35:49.000 This is a crusade.

01:35:50.000 You put an event together, Tucker's going to tell you, pay me my $150, whatever the rate is, because it's an event.

01:35:55.000 But if this is a campaign that you're going out to help, it's a different story.

01:35:59.000 By the way, here's a question for you.

01:36:01.000 Do you think Obama paid Oprah?

01:36:03.000 No.

01:36:04.000 No way.

01:36:05.000 She believed in it.

01:36:06.000 We would have known.

01:36:07.000 You would have felt it.

01:36:09.000 The part is, you would have felt it.

01:36:10.000 There was a big difference.

01:36:11.000 She really believed in it.

01:36:12.000 She really believed in it.

01:36:13.000 And it was early, too.

01:36:14.000 She did it in the primary, if you remember.

01:36:16.000 And by the way, this is the next story I want to go on.

01:36:18.000 You guys can help me out with this here to see if there's any kind of credibility behind this.

01:36:21.000 So CNN reports the fact that Pentagon officials discussing how to respond if Trump...

01:36:26.000 Issues controversial orders.

01:36:28.000 And there was a secret Pentagon meeting.

01:36:31.000 I don't know if there was or if there wasn't.

01:36:32.000 But there's this clip here I want to play.

01:36:34.000 And you tell me if there's any credibility behind this if it's happening.

01:36:38.000 Go ahead, Rob.

01:36:39.000 Discussions at the Pentagon.

01:36:40.000 I don't know at what level this is.

01:36:42.000 It just seems like it's informal discussions.

01:36:44.000 I guess it's understandable they would have those discussions.

01:36:47.000 It also...

01:36:49.000 Scott, is it...

01:36:50.000 Look, I don't like this.

01:36:52.000 Because what's Donald Trump supposed to think?

01:36:54.000 You know, he's sitting down there, he's the president-elect, and now he's got to read in the newspaper tonight that the unelected bureaucracy of the federal government is having meetings at some level about how to thwart or countermand the commander-in-chief.

01:37:06.000 I don't care if it's at the Pentagon or at the HUD or Ag...

01:37:09.000 It doesn't matter.

01:37:11.000 The unelected bureaucracy of this government answers to the civilian and duly elected leadership that we just did.

01:37:18.000 And if you were in his shoes and you just won the popular vote with a clear mandate and now you've got to read that these unelected bureaucrats are plotting against you, What would you think?

01:37:33.000 There's a reason to undermine the Constitution.

01:37:36.000 If they have ideas or things, they should call the President's office and say, hey, we'd like to have some discussions for planning purposes.

01:37:44.000 But secret meetings that leak?

01:37:46.000 Terrible way to get off to a start with the new administration.

01:37:48.000 I agree that that's maybe not the best way to do it.

01:37:50.000 However, Trump has set them up to be in this situation where they think that he's coming after them.

01:37:56.000 Do you think this is really happening?

01:37:58.000 Of course it is.

01:37:59.000 It happened in the first administration.

01:38:00.000 It will happen again.

01:38:01.000 Part of why I'm camping out here in South Florida for the next month and a half and move my whole family down here is to try to help any way I can.

01:38:07.000 Look, you might hate Donald Trump.

01:38:09.000 You might think that he's a terrible person.

01:38:11.000 But you should never, ever justify the undermining of the United States Constitution just because you hate Donald Trump.

01:38:17.000 And by the way, Donald Trump has a wonderful team around him.

01:38:19.000 Let's say Donald Trump does something you don't agree with.

01:38:21.000 We have a system of checks and balances.

01:38:23.000 You don't like it?

01:38:24.000 Well, then get Congress to do an inquiry about it.

01:38:26.000 Get the courts to stop him.

01:38:27.000 But it's not that you're not going to allow this super government of Pentagon to not fulfill the orders.

01:38:33.000 And by the way, oh, well, there's a reason for it.

01:38:36.000 No, no, that doesn't work that way.

01:38:37.000 Because all of a sudden you're going to justify the undermining of the sovereign.

01:38:41.000 He is the representation of the people in the government.

01:38:44.000 And basically what the Pentagon is, for example, let's take one that they'll consider controversial on corporate media.

01:38:49.000 What if Donald Trump wants to end the Russian war?

01:38:52.000 Well, the Pentagon won't like that.

01:38:53.000 But the American people, they won it.

01:38:55.000 Public opinion polls, they won it.

01:38:56.000 Donald Trump ran on it.

01:38:57.000 He won a decisive victory on that.

01:39:00.000 But the Pentagon doesn't like it.

01:39:01.000 So who wins?

01:39:03.000 A bunch of guys in the Department of Defense?

01:39:05.000 A bunch of guys that have been there for 20 years and careers that think we should fight Putin for the next 100 years?

01:39:09.000 Or Donald Trump who won a mandate?

01:39:11.000 What you're looking at right there is a preview of the coming tension of who's in charge of the country.

01:39:15.000 Is it the American people or the administrative state?

01:39:18.000 Now, so...

01:39:20.000 We get to this point of the analysis and we're all together, right?

01:39:24.000 Smells bad.

01:39:25.000 So what should be happening now?

01:39:28.000 My concern is this deep state stripping out thing that's going to cause a huge legal nightmare that I don't want to cover, let alone live through.

01:39:41.000 If Donald Trump Does things differently this time just in a way that he enjoys, which is addressing the nation, addressing the media, nation through the media, however he wants to do it.

01:39:54.000 This time should be different for him in terms of how he discusses the ideas.

01:39:59.000 He was very reactionary.

01:40:02.000 Now, you can say, yeah, because you guys were attacking him all the time.

01:40:04.000 Okay, fair point.

01:40:06.000 He has the ability now, he hears about this story.

01:40:10.000 He can tweet, I'm getting rid of all of them, right?

01:40:12.000 Honestly, Chris, he should.

01:40:14.000 Secret meetings against him.

01:40:16.000 Okay, fine.

01:40:17.000 Or you can still get rid of him, right?

01:40:19.000 You can always do that.

01:40:20.000 If he were to say they're having meetings about whatever the issue is, okay?

01:40:24.000 And we don't know.

01:40:26.000 And say, well, here's what I want, and here's what you just said you wanted from me.

01:40:31.000 I think if he speaks to the people more, and I'm not saying he doesn't do this.

01:40:35.000 He likes to do this.

01:40:36.000 I just think that he should be engaging on what he's going to do and less about how he is perceived.

01:40:42.000 Well, I think it's fair.

01:40:44.000 I think that it was his tip.

01:40:45.000 Because it will defeat this.

01:40:47.000 But this clip we just saw was a hypothetical.

01:40:50.000 Based on the reporting, they said the Pentagon is saying if Donald Trump issues something, they don't like it.

01:40:55.000 You know what this is.

01:40:56.000 This is an invested narrative of media that he is a danger to democracy.

01:41:01.000 Of course.

01:41:01.000 And they're empowering unelected people against the people.

01:41:04.000 Or they're just running with something that makes them right about him.

01:41:08.000 But it did happen in the first term.

01:41:09.000 It happened on Afghanistan withdrawal.

01:41:11.000 It happened on a lot of different things where Donald Trump was routinely undercut by the national security apparatus against things he wanted to do.

01:41:19.000 Yes.

01:41:20.000 Can I give you another example?

01:41:21.000 Mark Milley famously came out when he was under Trump and he said, I back-channeled with China.

01:41:28.000 Against the wishes of Donald Trump to try to prevent a war with China.

01:41:32.000 Do you remember that story?

01:41:33.000 Yes.

01:41:33.000 That should never happen.

01:41:35.000 Yeah.

01:41:35.000 Generals do not command the U.S. military.

01:41:37.000 Yeah, I get it.

01:41:38.000 I get it.

01:41:38.000 And if you think it's well-intentioned, that's fine.

01:41:40.000 But you've got to resign.

01:41:42.000 It doesn't matter if you think yet you resign.

01:41:44.000 That's right.

01:41:44.000 He's the president.

01:41:45.000 That's right.

01:41:45.000 Mark Milley is not.

01:41:46.000 The DOD chief is not.

01:41:48.000 Because we have a structure.

01:41:49.000 And why Donald Trump won is some voters, this wasn't a primary issue, but this was for me, that the whole structure the founders put together is completely in shambles.

01:41:57.000 Where the administrative state runs the country, and the president goes and is like a ceremonial ribbon-cutting role.

01:42:03.000 He kind of plays president and says hello, and you have this group of like 2,000 people that run the government.

01:42:08.000 And that is the death of America if it continues.

01:42:12.000 Well, look, what you need to have is you need to have a top down structure.

01:42:16.000 Right.

01:42:17.000 But obviously you can't expect your president to do everything.

01:42:20.000 There's a lot of delegation.

01:42:22.000 There are a lot of people who are running the agenda through the lens of the ideas that he campaigned on.

01:42:27.000 And both things can be true. 0.89

01:42:30.000 He is the man.

01:42:31.000 And, you know, if you have a female president someday, she is the woman. 0.68

01:42:34.000 And the team is a reflection of them.

01:42:37.000 But they do things.

01:42:38.000 Rubio is going to be doing a lot of things that may or may not be exactly how Trump put it, especially if he's smart about how he does his job.

01:42:47.000 But you can't undermine.

01:42:48.000 That's a separation.

01:42:49.000 You can't undermine or leave.

01:42:51.000 I agree.

01:42:52.000 If you have a problem, then resign and protest and go write a book.

01:42:55.000 That was my beef about Kelly, who's become like a hero to the left for all the stuff he said about Trump.

01:43:00.000 My point is, and I knew what his argument would be before he made it, but it was, you should have been saying this stuff when you were in there.

01:43:08.000 And he says, well, but then they would have kicked me out and I couldn't have saved us.

01:43:11.000 I don't buy it.

01:43:12.000 Yeah, and by the way, you are not tasked with saving the country from Donald Trump.

01:43:17.000 The country wants Donald Trump.

01:43:19.000 And I have to go back to something.

01:43:21.000 A popular vote mandate is very, very rare and very unexpected.

01:43:25.000 For a Republican.

01:43:26.000 Yes, that's what I'm saying.

01:43:27.000 For a bunch of Democrats to stay at home, they say, oh, it doesn't matter.

01:43:30.000 He won the popular vote and the electoral vote.

01:43:32.000 The people want him.

01:43:33.000 He won on the issues.

01:43:34.000 He won despite all the propaganda.

01:43:36.000 It wasn't like 2016 where it was a sneak attack.

01:43:38.000 This was the most talked about expected election outcome and people heard every reason not to vote for him and they still did.

01:43:46.000 Charlie, Charlie, question.

01:43:47.000 So when I had the president and he asked him a question, I said, so undecided voters.

01:43:51.000 And he says, there's no undecided voters at this point.

01:43:54.000 I'm like, huh?

01:43:55.000 Okay.

01:43:55.000 Interesting.

01:43:56.000 So, when you say there's no undecided voters at this point, I think there's probably some.

01:44:01.000 But I want to know, what do you mean by that?

01:44:03.000 Let me ask the question.

01:44:05.000 I really want both of you guys to give me your feedback.

01:44:06.000 I'm going to come to you first.

01:44:08.000 So, was it more...

01:44:13.000 There is not undecided voters versus, no.

01:44:16.000 How can you activate this audience to come out and vote that they typically don't?

01:44:20.000 It goes from 13% to 16%.

01:44:22.000 How can I activate these guys that are like, yeah, I'm not interested in voting to go out there?

01:44:26.000 Like I had Eddie Hearn on yesterday, one of the greatest boxing promoters of all time, right?

01:44:30.000 And Eddie said, you know, he had a fight where, I'm like, what's the biggest loss he ever had?

01:44:34.000 He said, there was this fight, I thought we were going to kill it.

01:44:36.000 He says, it was a fight.

01:44:38.000 It was one of the best fights for the 5% of super fans that actually follow boxing technically.

01:44:43.000 But he says not for the other guys that are just wanting to see a good fight.

01:44:46.000 Not the 95%.

01:44:47.000 And he says, my job as a promoter is to activate you based on a story that I sell that you want to come see that fight, right?

01:44:55.000 How much of it is undecided voters?

01:44:57.000 How much of it is activating new audience that was going to sit this out to come out and say, oh, hell no, I'm going to come support this guy?

01:45:03.000 Which one do you think it is?

01:45:04.000 So there's two types of elections.

01:45:06.000 There's persuasion elections, and then there's turnout elections.

01:45:09.000 And turnout elections typically are midterms or they are one off in special elections.

01:45:13.000 This is the first presidential election since probably 2016.

01:45:17.000 But that was a different issue where it was pure turnout, where there were very because everyone really had their mind made up on Donald Trump largely.

01:45:24.000 However, I disagree.

01:45:25.000 There were still some late breakers and undecided people.

01:45:27.000 I do think that pool was less than two percent, though.

01:45:29.000 I think so.

01:45:30.000 Donald Trump percent is a lot.

01:45:31.000 And Donald Trump's campaign strategy, of which we helped execute on the ground in some of these states, was like, guys, don't spend your time knocking on doors about a suburban soccer mom who's weighing her options.

01:45:42.000 Because that takes nine contacts to try to get her.

01:45:45.000 Nine points of contact, on average.

01:45:48.000 Conversations, discussions, and they could be 30 minutes on end.

01:45:51.000 Instead...

01:45:51.000 Turning point, go spend your time in very Republican areas where there are non-registered or what we call disengaged voters.

01:45:58.000 People that like Trump, like his worldview.

01:46:01.000 For example, the bro vote, right?

01:46:03.000 And so this is where we spent our time and we harvested, not ballot harvested, but we harvested in a very, very powerful way.

01:46:09.000 At Arizona State University, for example, we registered thousands of young men to vote in fraternities.

01:46:14.000 And that was way easier than us going to try to win over swing voters.

01:46:18.000 And we did a little bit of that.

01:46:19.000 But generally, the Trump campaign was brilliant because they threw the Republican consultant playbook out.

01:46:24.000 The Republican consultant playbook was spend all your time on the middle, on those like middle 15 percent swing voters and go all in.

01:46:31.000 Trump campaign said, why don't we just make our base bigger? 0.70

01:46:33.000 Why don't we just make the people who love us the most?

01:46:36.000 And so what they looked at was demographics.

01:46:38.000 And they realized if we can make the electorate 3 percent more masculine and do.

01:46:43.000 And by the way, they were so smart to do this.

01:46:45.000 This is Susie.

01:46:46.000 This is Susie and James Blair and La Savita.

01:46:49.000 And they were so smart because they said, wait a second, what is more important than race?

01:46:54.000 Whether or not you're a man or a woman actually dictates your political affiliation far more of a correlation than your race.

01:47:00.000 So they deemphasized racial politics and they emphasized more of a masculine machismo approach. 0.71

01:47:06.000 And boy, did it work.

01:47:08.000 And not only did it work, you're running up against a woman.

01:47:10.000 So it's easier to kind of make that argument.

01:47:11.000 And I don't mean to monopolize the time.

01:47:14.000 No, this is really interesting.

01:47:16.000 Keep going.

01:47:16.000 And so what the Trump campaign then did, the Republican consultant playbook that Karl Rove basically authored was everything is about high propensity.

01:47:24.000 So there's two types of voters, high propensity and low propensity voters.

01:47:27.000 A high propensity voter is typically college educated, lives in the suburbs.

01:47:31.000 They watch Chris.

01:47:33.000 They watch CNN. They have an income over $100,000 a year.

01:47:35.000 They have two kids and a picket fence, and they go to soccer games, and they don't commit crimes.

01:47:39.000 That type of demo, right?

01:47:42.000 High propensity voters is where the Republican Party has always been focused.

01:47:45.000 But Trump came in and he said, no, no, no.

01:47:48.000 We're going to focus on low propensity voters, the welder, the electrician, the carpenter, the police officer, or the person that's just not registered to vote.

01:47:57.000 Where I thought that Donald Trump was going to win, and I wasn't as confident as anybody else, okay, was when I started to see the voter registration surge across the country.

01:48:03.000 In the summer before this last summer, new people that were registering to vote were registering at a clip three to one versus Democrat.

01:48:11.000 In Pennsylvania, for the first time ever, we had every county in Pennsylvania, we were out registering Democrats for the first time ever.

01:48:21.000 Now, mind you, what Josh Shapiro did as governor of Pennsylvania is he put in a thing called motor voter, which means you automatically get registered to vote.

01:48:28.000 They thought that was going to help Democrats.

01:48:30.000 When you get your license.

01:48:31.000 When you get your driver's license.

01:48:32.000 It helped Republicans because of lower...

01:48:35.000 Think about who's not registered to vote.

01:48:37.000 It's typically lower propensity voters and PBD. Here's the kicker.

01:48:43.000 Where do these people get their information?

01:48:44.000 Lower propensity voters get information on TikTok.

01:48:47.000 They're not watching CNN. You know why?

01:48:50.000 These folks are darn tired by the time they get home.

01:48:53.000 They're not turning on cable news.

01:48:55.000 They're watching NFL football games.

01:48:57.000 They're the ones that are not going to be able to quote to you, Marbury.

01:49:00.000 It's also this.

01:49:01.000 Yeah, it's also the phone.

01:49:03.000 So what Donald Trump campaign did is they hacked the 2024 election, not in a way that people would think, where they said, wait a second, everyone has a supercomputer in the right-hand pocket.

01:49:10.000 Why are we worried about what CNN is saying or MSNBC is saying?

01:49:13.000 Why don't we win the information war?

01:49:15.000 And then finally, the kicker.

01:49:16.000 They said, why don't we go on the most ambitious, over-the-top, low-propensity voter communication strategy on Theo Vaughn, Joe Rogan, Nelk Boys, Logan Paul, influencer strategies, right?

01:49:28.000 So what they said is, there's this whole reservoir, and the final kicker, my mandate at Turning Point was very simple.

01:49:35.000 Charlie turned Trump supporters into voters.

01:49:38.000 And that's what we did.

01:49:40.000 By the way, Newsweek validates this.

01:49:42.000 I just read this article while you're speaking.

01:49:44.000 Pull this up.

01:49:45.000 Look at this.

01:49:45.000 Donald Trump flips first-time voters.

01:49:47.000 Bingo.

01:49:47.000 And this changed the whole election.

01:49:50.000 Watch this.

01:49:50.000 Go a little lower.

01:49:51.000 This is very important data.

01:49:52.000 Second paragraph.

01:49:53.000 Among the voters asked by NBC, 56% of first-time voters chose the Republican and Over 43% of first-time voters chose Kamala about four years ago.

01:50:04.000 64% of first-time voters picked Biden.

01:50:07.000 32% chose Trump.

01:50:09.000 So that's the part.

01:50:10.000 It's the selling and the conversion and the baptizing and getting the new people instead of... 0.99

01:50:16.000 Man, that is brilliant because to a business guy, I go into insurance.

01:50:21.000 Everyone's recruiting agents from each other.

01:50:23.000 You come to me, I'll give you 100%.

01:50:24.000 You come to me, I'll give you 110%.

01:50:26.000 Like, forget about it.

01:50:26.000 We're going to go recruit non-licensed agents.

01:50:28.000 That's what he did.

01:50:29.000 What a Freaking move, bro.

01:50:31.000 And the Democrats doubted us because they said, oh, no, no, no, the reservoir has been tapped.

01:50:37.000 People love Trump or they don't.

01:50:39.000 And you know where the kicker was for me?

01:50:40.000 And then I reaffirmed Susie's strategy.

01:50:42.000 I went to a Trump rally and I would just take selfies.

01:50:45.000 And I'd ask, are you registered to vote?

01:50:46.000 One out of 20 would be like, I think so.

01:50:49.000 One out of 20, PBD. When we hosted the Bobby Kennedy event.

01:50:53.000 We had 12,000 people show up.

01:50:54.000 We registered 900 new voters at that event.

01:50:57.000 Said differently, 1 out of 15 people that showed up at a Bobby Kennedy event in August before the election in Arizona were not even registered to vote.

01:51:05.000 That's CTA mentality.

01:51:07.000 Call to action.

01:51:08.000 CTA mentality.

01:51:09.000 You're here.

01:51:10.000 You bring them in, baptize them. 0.71

01:51:12.000 And we converted them.

01:51:13.000 That's the key.

01:51:14.000 Conversion.

01:51:14.000 That is such a, by the way, that's business mindset.

01:51:18.000 That's operation.

01:51:19.000 It's not just gibberish and talk.

01:51:21.000 You're converting them. 0.68

01:51:23.000 Sorry, Chris, I don't mean to go too far on this, but it's like, if you don't like the composition of the electorate, then change the electorate.

01:51:29.000 Right.

01:51:29.000 Let me ask you, what is the first-time voters?

01:51:31.000 Do we actually know how many it is, or we don't have that number?

01:51:34.000 It's millions.

01:51:36.000 Is it in the millions?

01:51:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:51:38.000 Like millions, like five, or like one to two?

01:51:40.000 No, he'll get you a wrong score on it.

01:51:42.000 But if you count Gen Z, it's probably over 10 million.

01:51:45.000 But what's even more interesting is the non-Gen Z first-time voters.

01:51:48.000 Can you just ask ChadGBT, Rob, see if it tells us what it is.

01:51:51.000 Brandon, if you can check to see what it is and send it to us.

01:51:54.000 Grok is even better, by the way.

01:51:56.000 Part of it is that this is not the first time this has been done.

01:52:01.000 Obama did it.

01:52:02.000 Yeah.

01:52:02.000 And, you know, it used to be done very grassroots level of trying to get new people.

01:52:08.000 Wow.

01:52:08.000 Eight million.

01:52:09.000 Yeah, that's about right.

01:52:10.000 And he got 56 to 40.

01:52:12.000 Dude, you can't.

01:52:13.000 I mean, that's it.

01:52:14.000 Wow!

01:52:15.000 So we expanded the pie.

01:52:17.000 Wow!

01:52:17.000 And then we won more of that pie.

01:52:20.000 This was always where Democrats benefited.

01:52:22.000 Think about it.

01:52:23.000 Democrats benefit more with younger people.

01:52:25.000 And we said, no, no, no, no.

01:52:26.000 We're going to win with first-time voters.

01:52:28.000 And you know what that is, Chris?

01:52:31.000 Here's what that is.

01:52:32.000 That is hard.

01:52:35.000 That's a lot of work.

01:52:37.000 Yesterday I saw Eric Trump on Sean Hannity.

01:52:39.000 And if Eric's watching this, you're not going to like what I'm going to say.

01:52:42.000 But it comes with respect.

01:52:44.000 I just want you to know this.

01:52:45.000 I look at Eric's face.

01:52:46.000 And I look at my dad.

01:52:48.000 I say, you know what that face looks like?

01:52:49.000 He says, what?

01:52:50.000 He had a suit on.

01:52:51.000 He looked freaking money.

01:52:52.000 I said, let me tell you.

01:52:54.000 I know what that face looks like.

01:52:55.000 And no one's going to know except for the people that are in the game.

01:52:58.000 That's the face of a guy that worked 18 hours today.

01:53:01.000 You could just see it on the look.

01:53:03.000 That's the face of a guy that hasn't had a chance to celebrate the victory yet.

01:53:07.000 These guys are freaking workers.

01:53:12.000 Eddie Hearn's father, Barry Hearn, I'm fascinated with this guy's father. 0.54

01:53:17.000 He had 10 rules for life.

01:53:19.000 And he said, it's better to be born lucky than good looking.

01:53:22.000 Tell the truth.

01:53:22.000 It's easier than telling lies.

01:53:25.000 Sheer work ethic can make you look like a genius.

01:53:29.000 What these guys did, the level of work ethic they put...

01:53:34.000 President Trump looks like a genius right now.

01:53:37.000 Susie Wiles looks like a genius right now. 0.97

01:53:40.000 But behind closed doors, you can tell their entire team worked their asses off.

01:53:44.000 The reason why I opened it up with that video is because there's no way in the world a person cries like that.

01:53:49.000 My dad told me one of the greatest stories of all time.

01:53:52.000 It gets me in motion every time I tell this story, but I've told this thing a few thousand times.

01:53:55.000 It doesn't do it anymore, but it still makes me think about it.

01:53:57.000 Ready for this story?

01:53:59.000 I'm a young kid.

01:54:00.000 He says, son, I'm going to teach you how to be a man.

01:54:01.000 I'm going to tell you a story.

01:54:02.000 I said, what's that?

01:54:03.000 He says, my dad didn't teach me a lot about math and politics, stuff like that.

01:54:06.000 He's a simple man, but hard work, character keeping your word.

01:54:09.000 He says, one day father wakes up, wants to teach his son to learn about hard work.

01:54:13.000 Kid is 10 years old.

01:54:14.000 He says, son, before the end of the day today, you got to make $5.

01:54:17.000 Dad, I'm only 10 years old.

01:54:19.000 Before the end of the day today, you got to make $5.

01:54:22.000 Dad, I'm telling you, before the end of the day, you've got to make $5.

01:54:25.000 Dad goes to work.

01:54:27.000 Son goes to Mom. 0.97

01:54:28.000 Mom, you want me to go in the streets at 10 years old and make $5?

01:54:31.000 Honey, don't worry about it.

01:54:32.000 Here's $5.

01:54:33.000 Just tell your dad you made $5 today.

01:54:34.000 Dad comes home.

01:54:35.000 Hey, son!

01:54:37.000 Did you make your $5?

01:54:38.000 Yes, I did, Dad.

01:54:39.000 Give me the $5.

01:54:40.000 Gives the $5.

01:54:41.000 Throws the $5 in the fireplace.

01:54:43.000 Burns.

01:54:44.000 Kid runs to Mom.

01:54:45.000 Mom comes in and says, what is wrong with you?

01:54:47.000 That says, the reason why you got more upset than him is because you paid him the $5.

01:54:51.000 Next morning wakes up.

01:54:52.000 Son, you got to make $5 today.

01:54:56.000 And don't go to your mom. 0.68

01:54:57.000 That goes to work.

01:54:59.000 Son goes to mom. 0.97

01:55:00.000 Mom, he says, hell no. 0.98

01:55:01.000 He's going to burn it.

01:55:02.000 I'm not giving it to you. 0.69

01:55:03.000 So the son becomes a beggar.

01:55:05.000 That's phase two.

01:55:06.000 He goes outside.

01:55:07.000 Hey, uncle.

01:55:08.000 Dad's going to...

01:55:08.000 Hey, aunt.

01:55:09.000 Hey, neighbor. 0.88

01:55:10.000 He begs for $5.

01:55:12.000 Next day, he comes home.

01:55:13.000 Hey, son, did you make $5 today?

01:55:15.000 Yes, I made $5 today.

01:55:17.000 He shows him dollar, dollar, dollar.

01:55:18.000 Throws the money in the fireplace.

01:55:20.000 Son starts crying, but no reaction from mom.

01:55:22.000 He says, I know you didn't give him $5, but I also know you didn't make that $5.

01:55:25.000 Listen to me, kid.

01:55:27.000 You're going to make your $5 tomorrow.

01:55:30.000 Next day, dad goes to work.

01:55:33.000 Son goes out.

01:55:35.000 Knocking on doors.

01:55:36.000 I'm begging you, give me a job.

01:55:38.000 Anything you want, I'll do it on you to make money.

01:55:40.000 Finally, by the end of the day, one man says, for every sandbag you move from here to here, I'll give you a penny.

01:55:45.000 This 10-year-old kid starts moving, moving, moving, moving, moving.

01:55:48.000 Comes back.

01:55:50.000 10 o'clock at night.

01:55:51.000 Comes home.

01:55:52.000 Dad comes up to the kid.

01:55:54.000 He says, you made your $5 today?

01:55:55.000 He says, no, but I made $1.80.

01:55:57.000 Takes the money, throws it in the fireplace.

01:55:59.000 Kid reaches in the fireplace to take the money out that he earned.

01:56:02.000 Dad hugs him in.

01:56:04.000 He says, son, I know for a fact you earned the money today.

01:56:07.000 That's why you're like this emotional.

01:56:09.000 Because you earned it and it's painful.

01:56:10.000 You became a man today.

01:56:12.000 The Democrats begged.

01:56:15.000 They didn't work. 0.51

01:56:16.000 The Republicans worked their asses off.

01:56:19.000 That's why it was an emotional victory for them. 0.78

01:56:21.000 They busted their tails behind closed doors.

01:56:23.000 And you gotta freaking respect these guys.

01:56:26.000 All of them.

01:56:27.000 Everybody that came together.

01:56:29.000 You're able to convert 56% in 2024 while in 2022 was only 32% against Biden?

01:56:37.000 Dude, that's sheer hard work.

01:56:40.000 78 years old, he's on stage.

01:56:41.000 We're on our live event with 2,000 people that were making a bet on what time you think he's going to hit the stage.

01:56:45.000 He hits the stage at 226 Eastern Standard Time.

01:56:48.000 He's in Eastern Standard Time.

01:56:50.000 Goes up on Palm Beach Convention Center.

01:56:51.000 We're making a bet.

01:56:52.000 Hey, how long do you think?

01:56:53.000 How long do you think?

01:56:54.000 One hour, this is it.

01:56:55.000 And he's up there saying, hey, Dana, why don't you say a few words?

01:56:58.000 Hey, Susie, no, I'm okay.

01:56:59.000 Why don't you say, hey, J.D., say a few words, 30 seconds.

01:57:02.000 Hey, I'm just watching everybody.

01:57:04.000 I'm like...

01:57:05.000 How many people right now are thinking about their pillow? 0.98

01:57:08.000 How many people are like, dude, you're 78 damn years old. 0.99

01:57:11.000 Go to sleep, guy! 0.99

01:57:12.000 He was up for 72 hours straight.

01:57:14.000 Do you realize the level of respect you gotta have for a fighter like that?

01:57:18.000 No opponent wants to do that.

01:57:20.000 They just don't.

01:57:21.000 Now, coming to 2024, I'm gonna finish up with this question and we'll wrap up.

01:57:25.000 We got seven minutes left together here.

01:57:28.000 Obama in eight years flipped one Supreme Court seat in eight years.

01:57:32.000 And to the left, many people consider Obama the goat.

01:57:36.000 They love him.

01:57:37.000 He's their Jesus.

01:57:39.000 Trump, first term, three.

01:57:42.000 They're worried about another one that could be 7-2.

01:57:45.000 I'll read the story to you, okay, on what they're talking about with Supreme Court.

01:57:49.000 Rob, if you can help me, tell me what story this is in.

01:57:52.000 I want to wrap up with this.

01:57:55.000 That is page 11, Dems at War.

01:57:58.000 Perfect.

01:57:58.000 Dems at war over secret Supreme Court plot to oust Sotomayor.

01:58:03.000 What's this story all about?

01:58:04.000 Rob, is this the clip?

01:58:05.000 This is Bernie Sanders.

01:58:07.000 He was asked about this on Meet the Press over the weekend.

01:58:09.000 They're running out of time for this.

01:58:10.000 Let's play this clip and then we'll go to you guys and then we'll wrap up.

01:58:13.000 Go ahead.

01:58:13.000 Senator, quickly before I let you go, I do want to ask you about the Supreme Court.

01:58:17.000 Some Democrats behind the scenes, quietly talking about the possibility, should Justice Sotomayor step down to allow President Biden to appoint someone who's younger?

01:58:28.000 She's only 70 years old.

01:58:30.000 Is that something that you would support?

01:58:32.000 Do you think she should step down?

01:58:35.000 No, I don't.

01:58:38.000 Have you heard any talk of this?

01:58:42.000 A little bit, yes.

01:58:43.000 I don't think it's a sensible approach.

01:58:46.000 And you don't think it's a sensible approach?

01:58:49.000 Correct.

01:58:51.000 All right.

01:58:52.000 Senator Bernie Sanders, thank you very much for your time this morning and your perspective.

01:58:56.000 We really appreciate it.

01:58:58.000 Charlie, is it too late?

01:58:59.000 They're running out of time, also, that you don't get Manchin or Sinema as well.

01:59:03.000 Remember, they have 51 in the current composition.

01:59:05.000 The new Congress actually gets sworn in on January 3rd, if I'm not mistaken.

01:59:09.000 So, yeah, I mean, they're running out of time.

01:59:11.000 Plus, you've got Christmas break, Thanksgiving break.

01:59:12.000 They've got to pass a budget and or a continuing resolution.

01:59:15.000 So they've got a lot of work left to do.

01:59:17.000 And so to be at a Supreme Court hearing on top of that, find a candidate, vet it, get it through, go to the floor.

01:59:22.000 And Manchin and Sima will almost assuredly not put up with this.

01:59:25.000 And also, McConnell would block it like he did with Merrick Garland.

01:59:28.000 Well, McConnell's not the Senate Majority Leader yet.

01:59:30.000 Well, he is until they pick a new one.

01:59:32.000 Well, no, no, no.

01:59:33.000 Schumer is Senate Majority Leader until January 3rd.

01:59:35.000 Right.

01:59:35.000 But I'm saying, like, they can come up and make noise.

01:59:39.000 Noise creates time.

01:59:40.000 Yeah, and they could definitely do parliamentary procedures.

01:59:43.000 I don't think this is going to happen.

01:59:43.000 Talking about McConnell, is it true that he's trying to accelerate the process of Rick Scott taking over the influence over someone else?

01:59:52.000 Is that really happening?

01:59:53.000 McConnell influencing Rick Scott?

01:59:55.000 No, meaning he would rather have, if they have a Senate majority for the Republicans...

02:00:00.000 He would rather have somebody on the establishment side, Rick Scott.

02:00:04.000 Yeah, he can't stand Rick Scott.

02:00:05.000 McConnell and Rick Scott do not get along.

02:00:06.000 So who is it that he's looking at?

02:00:08.000 Thune.

02:00:08.000 Thune, okay.

02:00:09.000 Thune is McConnell's pick.

02:00:10.000 Cornyn is one-ish.

02:00:11.000 How much does it matter who McConnell wants?

02:00:14.000 It matters to the 26 senators that are endorsing Thune.

02:00:17.000 McConnell's influence is waning, thankfully.

02:00:19.000 The Senate is by far the most frustrating institution I've ever had to deal with.

02:00:23.000 There are all these independent franchises that...

02:00:26.000 Kind of march to the beat of their own drum.

02:00:28.000 Don't necessarily listen to their voters.

02:00:30.000 But yeah, look, the Senate leadership election is tomorrow, and it will tell us a lot.

02:00:35.000 Do not be surprised if it goes to multiple ballots.

02:00:38.000 I do not think.

02:00:39.000 So they're going to allow McCormick to sit for it, which therefore means that it will be 53.

02:00:44.000 So they do the Senate leadership election as if the Senate will look on January 3rd.

02:00:49.000 So it will be 53 senators.

02:00:51.000 Therefore, you need 27 to get a majority, if my math is correct.

02:00:54.000 I don't think anyone has 27 yet.

02:00:56.000 Alright, so if that's the case, Trump flips another one.

02:00:59.000 That's four.

02:00:59.000 That is 7-2.

02:01:00.000 That is a 10-20-30-year possibility.

02:01:03.000 Yeah.

02:01:04.000 Well, not only that, don't be surprised that Clarence Thomas or Alito go resign as heroes and get 40-year-old justice.

02:01:12.000 I mean, that would be very strategic.

02:01:15.000 Which...

02:01:15.000 Which was the pressure point on Obama with RBG. And a lot of libs are upset they didn't do that.

02:01:21.000 If there's anybody that can influence that, it's him.

02:01:23.000 By the way, before we wrap up, I want to give a quick shout-out to an artist that I emailed 17 years ago.

02:01:30.000 I have that in my office.

02:01:31.000 Do you really?

02:01:31.000 It's John McNaughton who has many paintings he's done.

02:01:36.000 This is one of them that he did.

02:01:38.000 And if you zoom in here, you'll see Trump right there in the middle.

02:01:40.000 You're seeing George Washington.

02:01:42.000 You see Rush, Limbaugh to his left.

02:01:44.000 You'll see Tucker with the foot up.

02:01:47.000 You'll see Charlie Kirk with the handout.

02:01:50.000 You'll see a bunch of different guys in there.

02:01:52.000 And he just did a recent painting, Rob.

02:01:54.000 If he can go to the other one.

02:01:55.000 No way.

02:01:56.000 He has a new one?

02:01:57.000 Yeah, if you can go.

02:01:57.000 That's Charlie right there.

02:01:58.000 Yeah, that's Elon.

02:01:59.000 And if you can go to another one.

02:02:01.000 He did this one.

02:02:01.000 I just bought the one of one.

02:02:03.000 I freaking, I just think it's an insane painting.

02:02:04.000 You know what?

02:02:05.000 You're inspiring me to buy more of his stuff.

02:02:07.000 Oh, this guy is, this is the one.

02:02:10.000 Click on it, Rob, to zoom in.

02:02:12.000 Click on the, yeah, there you go.

02:02:13.000 Zoom in into this one.

02:02:14.000 It's called Mad, Mad, Mad America.

02:02:16.000 Oh, wow.

02:02:16.000 Look at this.

02:02:17.000 The people that are in it.

02:02:19.000 Even Rogan's in it.

02:02:20.000 I think I'm in the other one with you, Charlie, to your left, and I think I'm in this one as well.

02:02:25.000 If you zoom in right behind, is that the Capitol?

02:02:28.000 Zoom in all the way in right there.

02:02:29.000 You'll see Tucker.

02:02:30.000 You'll see Rogan.

02:02:31.000 You'll see Musk.

02:02:32.000 You'll see myself.

02:02:33.000 You'll see Joe.

02:02:34.000 You'll see Michelle.

02:02:35.000 You'll see old Biden shaking hands with...

02:02:37.000 Somebody.

02:02:38.000 But this guy's work is...

02:02:40.000 Lindsey Graham with the Ukrainian flag.

02:02:41.000 Yeah, it's by the way.

02:02:42.000 And Zelensky with the money.

02:02:44.000 Go all the way to the bottom.

02:02:44.000 Look at Zelensky with the money.

02:02:46.000 You got Schumer with his hands on him.

02:02:48.000 This is absolutely wild.

02:02:50.000 So we're going to put the link below.

02:02:52.000 That's next level stuff here.

02:02:53.000 I think this guy's work is great.

02:02:55.000 If you like good art, this is right outside of my office in a new building, by the way, that we have.

02:03:00.000 I love that.

02:03:01.000 I've supported this guy's work for 17 years, and I think people need to know about him.

02:03:05.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

02:03:06.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 17, 2024

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