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00:02:04.000We were discussing it really all month.
00:02:07.000This story out of Minnesota with the Somalis.
00:02:11.000It started with talking about their auth.
00:02:14.000It was coverage of the autism centers, talking about Medicaid fraud, talking about all sorts of stuff.
00:02:21.000But now what's really gone ultra viral, and we'll have them on later in the show, Nick Shirley knocking on the doors of some daycares, people becoming really aware of that there's dozens, hundreds of these daycares with supposedly hundreds of children at them getting millions of taxpayer dollars.
00:03:15.000So right now on the ground in Minneapolis, Homeland Security investigators are going door to door to these suspected fraud sites, whether it be daycare centers or healthcare centers and businesses around them as well to get more information and to make sure we're following the money here.
00:03:32.000And we bring arrests and prosecutions and ultimately removals.
00:03:36.000But if you rewind a couple of months, while this is HSI, which is part of ICE on the ground, we've also had an ongoing ICE operation for the past two months, Operation Twin Shields.
00:03:50.000We've arrested about 500 illegal aliens, many of which are from the Somalian population.
00:03:58.000As well, there's been an ongoing USCIS immigration fraud investigation.
00:04:04.000We've had about a thousand cases there so far, and about half of which we've found fraud.
00:04:12.000Yeah, there's this word that has been making the rounds on X and other venues, and that word is denaturalization.
00:04:21.000And for those who don't know, that would refer to basically removing citizenship from somebody who had gained citizenship before.
00:04:29.000And America does that very, very rarely, but it's getting brought up, especially in relation to these fraud cases, because if someone was engaging in widespread fraud from when they arrived, that would seem like a valid grounds to say giving you citizenship was a mistake and you should be removed.
00:04:46.000Has there been any progress on that front?
00:04:48.000Do you have anything you can tell us there?
00:04:50.000Yeah, so President Trump, really since the start of his administration, but then really became a focus following the terrorist attack against the two National Guardsmen out of Washington right ahead of Thanksgiving, there was really a focus on auditing those who have come into our country, whether they had become citizens, coming through visas or green cards, particularly for these 19 countries of concern.
00:05:19.000So that's something that President Trump has made a major focus is these people, sure, did they come in the legal way?
00:05:35.000Those are all things that would be grounds for denaturalization.
00:05:39.000So as far as on this specific Somalian front, I don't have a specific update there, but across the board, this is something that we're really auditing and recognizing the massive amount of fraud and abuse that's happened in our illegal immigration system.
00:05:54.000Tricia, we are seeing this surge of HSI, all the videos coming out.
00:05:59.000You mentioned it, but there's other states that are now being highlighted as well.
00:06:42.000And we see a lot of these similar, a lot of it's copy-paste or similar networks as far as the potential and suspected crime and fraud that we are seeing.
00:06:55.000But I think what you're also going to see, and we've started to see this with the FBI and Homeland Security investigations, but you're going to see a lot more action from the Treasury Department and other facets of the U.S. government that a lot of people, you know, maybe aren't as familiar with as far as tracking this kind of crime and fraud and abuse.
00:07:16.000So we're going to be seeing more and more of that across not just Minnesota, not just Ohio, but across the country.
00:07:36.000And what kind of, you know, what are you going to, what do you expect to find here?
00:07:42.000And why did 21 blue states sue the Trump administration to block them getting this information?
00:07:50.000I was credibly informed that immigrants, illegals, do not get Medicaid.
00:07:57.000How many times were we told that over and over and over again?
00:08:00.000I think that this is a very, first of all, it's a good sign because we also have a similar case with the IRS.
00:08:07.000The Trump administration, I think, I was in the first administration and this administration far more than under Trump 45.
00:08:15.000We are doing much better at sharing information across agencies.
00:08:19.000And that it makes us a lot more efficient so that we can root out this fraud and also identify those who are on the books who are getting Medicaid are there public benefits in there if they're in the country illegally.
00:08:30.000It helps us to really target these people and remove them from the country.
00:08:35.000So we've also are working on sharing IRS data.
00:08:39.000But of course, we're told time and time again that this is something that's not happening.
00:08:44.000This fraud and exploitation isn't occurring, but it is.
00:08:47.000And I think part of the reason that these states and these politicians are so afraid is it's going to show that they were culpable, that they knew that this fraud was occurring and not only let it occur, but enabled it.
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00:10:23.000Now it's your turn to help protect yours.
00:10:28.000Blake, a gentleman named Josh Gerstein is making the rounds this morning.
00:10:50.000Yes, stand-your-ground laws, remove the duty to retreat from a threat when a person is in a place they have a legal right to be.
00:10:58.000Knocking on the door of a supposedly public business does not constitute a threat.
00:11:03.000So stand your ground could not be invoked as a defense.
00:11:06.000Now, I have a few thoughts on that, and it's pretty remarkable.
00:11:11.000First of all, it's amazing to see I've been around for a while.
00:11:15.000I'm a bit older than a lot of our turning point base.
00:11:19.000So I, of course, remember the infamous Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman case.
00:11:24.000And I think that legitimately drove the left insane on this topic, where it's like the joke.
00:11:31.000They just refuse to understand the core concept because they were so angry that George Zimmerman was able to defend himself from a guy bashing his head into the pavement.
00:11:40.000And now they think stand your ground is a magical thing that lets you just shoot anyone for any reason.
00:11:58.000But the darker thing here that I think is worth highlighting is what this clearly gets at, and I don't know, and Gerstein seems to be manifesting it, but definitely other people are, is like the left really does have this dark desire.
00:12:14.000Whatever the law is, they really want somebody to get shot in the face while doing this.
00:12:57.000Nick Shirley helps blow the lid on this massive fraud scandal that's plaguing our nation to the tune of billions and billions of dollars in Medicare and Medicaid fraud.
00:13:06.000And instead of supporting the exposing this, a reporter who is, let me get this title exactly right, the senior legal affairs reporter for Politico, prior ABC White House and China correspondent CNN.
00:13:25.000So instead of supporting this, he says, oh, when you expose fraud, you should kill these people.
00:13:35.000This is why the mainstream news media has lost so much standing in the minds of the American population.
00:13:41.000Absolutely incredible thing to conclude that you're in the business of exposing corruption.
00:13:49.000If you are a reporter, that is essentially your core job and function.
00:13:54.000So Nick Shirley exposes corruption and fraud, and this guy suggests that he should be shot in a stand-your-ground law, which doesn't, and by the way, and you even get it wrong.
00:14:05.000You're a legal affairs reporter and you get the law wrong.
00:14:10.000I mean, the whole thing is just absolutely asinine.
00:14:13.000And it's hard to believe that this is like the state of American journalism.
00:14:18.000Well, it's funny, too, because they're speculating this about public businesses, and Washington Post reporters will just show up and knock on the door of your house to harass you.
00:14:31.000A fact I know because Eric Wemple of the Washington Post did that to my house once in 2020.
00:14:40.000Yeah, it's a pretty remarkable thing to watch happen.
00:14:45.000But this is why you have to understand how much pushback that President Trump is getting, how much pushback the Trump administration is getting.
00:14:54.000The fact that Eric Swalwell and Nancy Pelosi are already talking about what they're going to do to President Trump and his cabinet if they get power back in the House in 2026.
00:15:32.000I'm told much more is underway in the works.
00:15:36.000But you have to look at what they are doing when good people do good work and good journalism, when the administration moves the country in the right direction, when the ship is getting righted as it is right now.
00:15:48.000Rome wasn't built in a day, but this is why they fight him.
00:15:52.000It's a testament to the Trump administration of just how effective they are.
00:15:57.000If you just look at how terrible they've been treated, how they are still, how Trump and the administration are still viewed as existential threats to the Democratic Party.
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00:17:08.000We are very fortunate to have the man behind the biggest story in the country for the last couple of days.
00:17:16.000That is Nick Shirley, independent journalist.
00:17:20.000Nick, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:17:23.000And I have to tell you that you, and I want our audience to know, you were the last live guest on the Charlie Kirk show before the news happened on 9-10.
00:17:33.000And so sort of a tragic reminder, but I'm just so pleased to see how well you're doing.
00:17:41.000And it brings us all joy to see the good work that you're doing in Minneapolis and beyond.
00:17:48.000It's been a crazy past few days as we've been uncovering what could potentially be one of the largest fraud scandals in American history out here in Minnesota.
00:17:58.000And, you know, you call it chasing pirates.
00:18:00.000You, you know, I have to ask you, how did you get turned on to this story in the first place, Nick?
00:18:08.000Well, I've known about the fraud taking place for a very long time.
00:18:11.000Ever since last June, I made my first visit to Minnesota, kind of documenting how what's been happening inside of the state.
00:18:18.000And then a lot of the locals were telling me about the fraud that was taking place within the daycares.
00:18:23.000They also have their houses where they're running home health care businesses out of.
00:18:28.000But I could never, I couldn't dedicate the time to be able to get all the information with everything else I have to do with my YouTube channel.
00:18:36.000And so I was very fortunate when this man by the name of David reached out to me.
00:18:41.000And me and him were able to collaborate and he was able to go out and get the numbers as he's been looking into this fraud for years now.
00:18:47.000So it was a joint effort and I was super happy to be able to amplify his voice and his work that he's been able to do.
00:19:10.000He's a lifelong local legend in Minnesota.
00:19:13.000And we have to keep him pretty anonymous.
00:19:16.000I can't say too much about him because people are even recognizing him out in places.
00:19:21.000And I don't want anything to happen to David.
00:19:23.000So he's just a local legend that cares a lot about his city, wants the best for his city, and is sick of seeing American pirates steal money from hardworking taxpaying citizens here.
00:19:36.000So, so, Nick, first question, second question rather, is what has, what has it been like to see the Attorney General of the United States tagging you in posts?
00:20:09.000But it's actually amazing how the Trump administration, because this is a great opportunity for them to go in and really show people, okay, we're paying attention.
00:20:21.000And it did more than all other mainstream networks in one day.
00:20:26.000What do you make of this Washington Post reporter?
00:20:29.000I'm sure you saw this where he suggested that you deserve to have someone pull a stand your ground on you because you show up at these businesses.
00:20:38.000Well, I never tried to go inside of any of the businesses.
00:20:41.000I never forced my way into any of the businesses.
00:20:44.000I simply just asked if I could enroll a child, just like a typical operation, like just a typical operation that a parent would go to when he's daycare centers.
00:20:53.000So I wasn't putting in force or anything.
00:20:56.000I was simply just asking, can I put my son Joey into daycare?
00:21:00.000And they couldn't answer that question.
00:21:02.000Well, I think that's people are noticing the quality learning thing, but I think that is actually probably the best, the best part of the montage for me is when you just ask, can I enroll a child here?
00:21:13.000And the person immediately responds, why?
00:21:21.000And the whole thing with the quality learning center, too, it's hilarious because while Somalis were bussing in children, the commissioner of, I think, chat, one of the Department of Children or something, she was on a live stream at the same time talking about how they closed the daycare a week ago.
00:21:42.000So they had the Somalis bussing in children trying to cover up.
00:21:46.000Meanwhile, the lady who's in charge is saying they closed the daycare a week ago.
00:21:50.000Meanwhile, the video had been filmed more than a week ago.
00:21:54.000So, and I posted the original video of me outside of the daycare about a week ago.
00:21:58.000And then I was able to produce the entire documentary when I was at home for Christmas.
00:22:04.000Nick, you've been pretty loud on your social media about the fact that you think Tim Waltz needs to be held accountable for this.
00:22:12.000What in your reporting has led you to believe that the complicity here or culpability goes all the way up to the top in the state of Minnesota?
00:22:24.000And so if the governor is knowing that all this money is going out, I think the governor should know about $9 billion being sent to these welfare programs and these other businesses fraudulently.
00:22:39.000And then there's nobody at the businesses.
00:22:42.000In these neighborhoods, Nick, you made some comment.
00:22:45.000I think it was on Fox News where you were saying that this whole racket is kept alive by the fact that these politicians need the Somalian votes at this point.
00:22:54.000They've become a huge voting block within the state of Minnesota.
00:22:58.000When you're walking through these neighborhoods on the ground, what percentage of the population does it feel like is Somalian?
00:23:05.000Are these neighborhoods almost entirely Somalian now?
00:23:08.000They've kind of moved in, or is it 50-50?
00:23:17.000Especially in areas like Cedar Riverside.
00:23:19.000I mean, a lot of these apartment complexes, I said on Fox, but a lot of these apartment complexes, white people and anybody who's not Somalian have been pushed out of these apartment complexes because they claim that people are Islamophobic or racist and they're able to get the landlords to then kick them out because of those claims.
00:23:37.000And so you have entire apartment complexes that are full of Somalian people.
00:24:14.000This is what happens when your own federal government wages war against you.
00:24:18.000This is what happens when they target communities for their own benefit.
00:24:21.000This is what happens when they scapegoat.
00:24:24.000And this is what happens when they no longer hide the idea of white supremacy when you hear the vice president of the United States talk about now white people won't have to apologize for being white.
00:24:33.000That's never happened once in my whole damn life.
00:24:36.000And I think everybody in this room knows what they're doing.
00:24:38.000So we're here today to say enough of this.
00:24:41.000We're here today to stand that Minnesota will protect their neighbors.
00:25:29.000Have you heard anything from locals in Minnesota who've reached out to you or sent you any interesting stories for follow-ups or just interesting anecdotes you think might be good to share?
00:25:41.000Oh, I've received thousands of messages from people in Minnesota.
00:25:43.000Everyone's thankful that this fraud is being exposed.
00:25:45.000Nobody wants their money going to fraudulent businesses like Dayton's or even having the potential to be wired off to Somalia.
00:25:56.000Our money should stay here inside the United States, especially if it's tax dollars.
00:26:01.000Nick, what are you planning on doing next, Nick?
00:26:03.000Can you give us a hint of what you're currently working on?
00:26:08.000Are you going to stay on the fraud beat?
00:26:09.000There's a lot of fraud happening here in Minnesota.
00:26:12.000So I have a part two coming out very soon of the fraud because there's a whole nother layer of that that we weren't even able to put into this first video.
00:26:55.000And now his profile is larger than ever.
00:26:57.000So Nick, if you want to just mention that and has your ability to do your work on the ground, has it changed given just how much your profile has increased?
00:27:08.000So with that Blackline Guardian, it's actually really cool because it's just essentially a nonprofit that Officer Katam set up a while back and all the funds go directly to me.
00:27:19.000So like right now I have security with me and it's because of that.
00:27:22.000And it's essential because people are, I mean, people are doxing me.
00:27:27.000They're doxing like members of my family.
00:27:30.000And so it's like actually very worrisome.
00:27:32.000I'm like, like some Indian Indian newspaper did a whole entire article doxing my family yesterday.
00:28:16.000And, you know, thanks for being the last live guest on the show on 9-10, which is pretty creepy, but in some ways fitting seeing the great things that you're doing now.
00:28:28.000So, you know, the baton has passed to a lot of people and you're one of them, Nick.
00:28:53.000You know, I just want to throw out this point that I think is very important, which it's good for us to expose the fraud that's going on with these daycare and Medicaid things, but also we just shouldn't do this in the first place with people that we're bringing from the other side of the world.
00:29:07.000If they need infinite welfare for Medicaid, for daycare, for everything, they probably just shouldn't be here in the first place.
00:30:41.000This kid in quotes is an American hero.
00:30:44.000I guess, you know, he probably isn't a kid.
00:30:48.000Kyrie says, hey, guys, thanks for having Nick Shirley on the show and sharing the way we can help him stay safe in addition to prayers, of course.
00:31:00.000I think we got about eight to ten just in the span of that segment.
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00:31:45.000I mean, when we went to Amfest, Blake, I actually didn't get to confer with you on this, but at Amfest, it was, I think I was honest with the audience.
00:31:53.000I said I wasn't really looking forward to it this year.
00:31:56.000I was kind of dreading it because it was the first one without Charlie.
00:31:58.000And then I, you know, went in kind of because I had to, honestly.
00:32:03.000And you guys gave me so much love and support and encouragement.
00:32:06.000And I'm sure, Blake, you experienced that too.
00:32:08.000The Prove Me Wrong was huge and the members podcast room was huge and those episodes are dropping.
00:32:16.000So it's been amazing for your support.
00:33:52.000There's no doubt you got to build a case that is actually, will hold up in court.
00:33:57.000What, as a contrarian, as a little bit of a, you know, pump the brakes on the legal side, what do you think the odds are that we get some actual accountability at the top levels of the Minnesota government?
00:34:10.000They might try it, but I think the one trouble is, I'll be honest, is when people just bellow that they want someone arrested, sometimes, let's be real, our side sometimes goes off a little half-cocked.
00:34:24.000I think the most important thing is actually getting the fraud itself, which is all these daycares, which is all these facilities.
00:34:30.000If you were going to get someone at the top, I think the best shot would be Keith Ellison.
00:34:34.000Keith Ellison is clearly this sinister figure.
00:34:46.000I think, and also, I just don't think he's that smart overall.
00:34:50.000I think he's probably your best shot if you were going to bring down a major person, but it's going to be tough because in the end, a lot of this comes down to a traditional norm we have, prosecutorial discretion.
00:35:02.000They knew this was going on and they just chose not to stop it.
00:35:07.000And the sad thing is there's not that much you can do if someone, if they're not directly benefiting from the crime, they just don't care that it's happening because they like the people committing it.
00:35:20.000It's just like the police forces who let the rioter, you know, they abandoned a Minneapolis police precinct and let it get burned down.
00:35:28.000They let rioters just terrorize people.
00:35:34.000But it traditionally, at least, is not something we normally prosecute as a crime, perhaps because it's basically unthinkable.
00:35:43.000And I guess I would just warn people, the best way to make them accountable for this is to make sure we have a good campaign for governor in Minnesota and try to unseat him.
00:35:54.000And failing that, probably the best thing you can do if you're a Minnesota resident is get out.
00:35:59.000I know that's a frustrating piece of advice, but if you look at the numbers, Minnesota is a state that it's absolutely bleeding anyone who's a taxpayer, anyone who's a functional member of society.
00:36:12.000The left in Minnesota is going all in on we should import as many refugees as possible.
00:36:17.000We should admit as many parasites as possible.
00:36:20.000And we should wage war on anyone who's functional, who is law-abiding, who is a person you would want in your state.
00:36:27.000And we're seeing the outcomes of that.
00:36:29.000Yeah, I didn't realize they were having a net outflow of productive citizens.