The Charlie Kirk Show - September 27, 2020


Criminalized for Christianity


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Pastor Rob McCoy talks about why the church should be allowed to reopen and why it s being criminalized for doing so. He also discusses California's new law that declares a church to be non-essential, which violates the First Amendment.

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00:00:08.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:09.000 Happy Sunday.
00:00:10.000 Today, an exclusive conversation with my pastor, Pastor Rob McCoy.
00:00:14.000 We talk about the church being reopened and quite honestly, just some things I'm struggling with when it comes to pastors and faith and political and civic engagement.
00:00:21.000 And my pastor sets me right.
00:00:23.000 It's actually a great conversation.
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00:00:39.000 It's Sunday, everybody.
00:00:41.000 Pastor Rob McCoy, who is being criminalized for his Christian beliefs.
00:00:45.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:46.000 Here we go.
00:00:47.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:49.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
00:00:51.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:54.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:58.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:59.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:01:00.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:01:02.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
00:01:07.000 Turning point USA.
00:01:08.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:17.000 That's why we are here.
00:01:20.000 Hey, everybody.
00:01:21.000 Hope you're doing great.
00:01:22.000 Sitting here with my pastor, Rob McCoy.
00:01:24.000 Do you like this new setup?
00:01:25.000 Charlie, I love it.
00:01:27.000 It's comforting.
00:01:28.000 I have a place to put my arm.
00:01:30.000 I know the kind of couple is kind of a meal preparedness table, too.
00:01:33.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:01:34.000 And it also hides my gut, which is I'm really kind of cool.
00:01:37.000 So, Rob, you're being criminalized.
00:01:40.000 Yeah.
00:01:40.000 What's the update?
00:01:42.000 Well, so Monday, we go before the judge, and we had an emergency temporary restraining order put upon us by a previous judge.
00:01:52.000 The second judge, we papered the first one because he was political and predictable.
00:01:56.000 The second judge ruled that we were in contempt, fined us, and the order stands.
00:02:03.000 So every time we're open, every violation's another set of fines.
00:02:07.000 So we're accumulating it because we've refused to close.
00:02:11.000 And we're being brought before the judge this Monday.
00:02:16.000 And I don't know what they're going to do.
00:02:19.000 There could be jail time.
00:02:20.000 There could be an increase in fines.
00:02:22.000 I have no idea.
00:02:24.000 But this is the state of the church in America.
00:02:29.000 We've been wide open, no masks, no social distancing in violation of the governor's.
00:02:37.000 I can't say it's a codified law.
00:02:39.000 He's put this out there, but this isn't lawful.
00:02:42.000 And we've been in violation of it.
00:02:45.000 And here's what's interesting.
00:02:47.000 We haven't had one case of COVID, been wide open since May 31st.
00:02:51.000 No masks, no social distancing.
00:02:53.000 We've got ionization machines and UV lights in our air ducts and hand sanitizer.
00:02:59.000 But you can't worship with a mask on your face six feet apart and have fellowship.
00:03:04.000 And so the church is open because the church is essential.
00:03:07.000 And that's where we stand.
00:03:08.000 So it's interesting.
00:03:09.000 I want to dive into something that I haven't heard you say before.
00:03:12.000 A body of a legislature and an executive and a judicial did not put this forward.
00:03:17.000 This is almost by edict.
00:03:19.000 It is by edict.
00:03:20.000 So that's a differentiation I think that's important, right?
00:03:23.000 That this was not done through a nor should it, nor even if it was done through that deliberative process, would it make it any more or less moral?
00:03:30.000 Because it isn't.
00:03:30.000 But I think it almost further delegitimizes this kind of dictate from Newsom because this was not voted on by a legislature.
00:03:40.000 And in addition, not only is he called the church non-essential in violation of the First Amendment, but allowing cannabis distributors to be essential and abortions clinics to be essential and liquor stores to be essential.
00:03:51.000 He declares a church to be non-essential, which is a violation of the First Amendment.
00:03:55.000 There's no legislative action, but in a time of pandemic, and it's even hard to justify pandemic at this point.
00:04:03.000 And even though the numbers are precipitously dropping in California, case numbers, you know, that's dependent on testing, but hospitalizations and deaths are dropping.
00:04:13.000 And yet the draconian measures of the governor are increasing.
00:04:19.000 He went from a six-quadrant box where we had fulfilled five of the six boxes, excuse me, five of the six boxes.
00:04:27.000 And the last one was semantics.
00:04:28.000 It was number of positive tests per day equivalent with the number of testing.
00:04:32.000 So if we lowered the testing to the state limit, of course, the positive tests would drop and we're open.
00:04:38.000 Well, he moves that goalpost, gets rid of it, and gives us a four-color-coded tier system, purple, red, orange, yellow, and immediately puts Ventura County into purple.
00:04:48.000 Even though we have one 100th of 1% death rate and hospitalizations are down, everything's down.
00:04:57.000 The number of hospitalizations is lower than it was in April and March and even going into May and June.
00:05:04.000 And here we are just locked down.
00:05:07.000 Business is destroyed.
00:05:08.000 And wanting to arrest congregants and maybe the pastor and probably pastor and maybe congregants, I should say.
00:05:15.000 So it's been in front of a judge.
00:05:17.000 Two judges.
00:05:19.000 But who referred it to a judge?
00:05:22.000 Because there's no indictment yet, correct?
00:05:24.000 Yeah.
00:05:25.000 So there's five county supervisors in Ventura County.
00:05:29.000 And three of the five supervisors, and it's partisan.
00:05:34.000 One, though, independent leans Democrat, and the other two are Democrat.
00:05:37.000 And they're all running for office except for the independent.
00:05:40.000 And they got complaints by COVID Karens and COVID Carls.
00:05:44.000 And so they moved forward to want to implement this.
00:05:49.000 And so they asked a judge to give an emergency restraining order.
00:05:53.000 And the judge granted it.
00:05:55.000 He was political and predictive.
00:05:56.000 They found the one that would do it.
00:05:57.000 We papered him.
00:05:58.000 And then Judge O'Neill has been far more logical and understanding.
00:06:05.000 And those three supervisors got a backlash because people reached out and said, this is just unprecedented.
00:06:11.000 So the judge that you're going to see on Monday could refer you for criminal indictment?
00:06:18.000 Is that in the cards?
00:06:20.000 I'm trying to understand.
00:06:20.000 It's a bizarre legal construct for me because it usually goes through a DA office or something when you have, right?
00:06:27.000 We haven't had a trial.
00:06:28.000 Of course not.
00:06:29.000 You're not indicted for anything.
00:06:30.000 I'm not indicted.
00:06:31.000 But I'm being held in contempt of court for violating an emergency temporary restraining order.
00:06:36.000 But they haven't proven that we are a danger in any capacity.
00:06:39.000 Oh, I know.
00:06:39.000 So, but they would have to, at some point, wouldn't this have to involve a district attorney or something?
00:06:45.000 I would think so.
00:06:46.000 There's nothing codified with what they're enforcing.
00:06:46.000 Yeah.
00:06:48.000 No, but the judge, judges have limited policing power, though.
00:06:53.000 If you interrupt their courtroom, they can do whatever they want to you.
00:06:56.000 But I guess a judge put forth the restraining order, right?
00:07:00.000 And so then...
00:07:01.000 The other judge had to rule on the violation of that restriction.
00:07:04.000 Which is that's what's coming up.
00:07:05.000 Well, no, the second judge did rule that I was in violation of that.
00:07:09.000 But it was a fine.
00:07:10.000 It was a fine.
00:07:11.000 That's the remedy.
00:07:12.000 Yeah, and they wanted attorney fees, and they wanted it, whatever.
00:07:15.000 And they wanted to allow armed personnel to come in and cite up to a thousand does, either members or visitors to our church.
00:07:24.000 And that citation, if you have a concealed carry permit, you lose it.
00:07:28.000 If you have an NROTC scholarship and you get one of those citations, you will lose your scholarship.
00:07:34.000 These are serious issuances by the county.
00:07:39.000 So then this next meeting with the judge is on what?
00:07:42.000 The continued defiance of the emergence?
00:07:44.000 The continued defiance of the emergency.
00:07:45.000 With a new judge?
00:07:46.000 Is there a judge that you haven't dealt with?
00:07:48.000 No, no, it's the same judge, Judge O'Neill.
00:07:50.000 This is the one that seems to be somewhat reasonable, yeah.
00:07:53.000 And so, but he's not, he's going to just basically ask for.
00:07:57.000 I'm just trying to get an understanding, ask for an admission of guilt or ask for because there's no accusation of a crime, is there?
00:08:04.000 Well, so the first time that they granted-this is this weird gray area of the law.
00:08:08.000 I'm not quite understanding it.
00:08:09.000 So, they sent out health officers to the church after the first judge gave the emergency temporary restraining order, and they sent the health officers out to observe us.
00:08:17.000 They weren't permitted in the building, but from a distance, they observed us that we were violating the social distancing and the no masks or the mask ruling.
00:08:27.000 And so, they had a 61-page report that they put before the judge saying we're in violation of the restraining order.
00:08:33.000 Every one of these folks that testified, there were three witnesses, they all perjured themselves because a congregant who was in the parking lot because they didn't want to be in the crowd, they were listening.
00:08:43.000 But they were listening to the FM station parked next to the county vehicle and saw these three county workers in the car, not social distancing, not wearing masks, and took a picture, presented it to them.
00:08:53.000 They perjured themselves, and yet it was still admissible.
00:08:56.000 They still find us.
00:08:58.000 I think the judge wants it to go away, but the county may push and try to.
00:09:03.000 They've been watching our live streams, trying to take pictures of, you know, they're doing whatever they can.
00:09:09.000 And so, it is conceivable, but probably unlikely that criminal indictments could come forward.
00:09:14.000 I sure hope not.
00:09:15.000 Yeah.
00:09:16.000 Yeah.
00:09:16.000 I hope that there won't be any criminal indictment.
00:09:18.000 I can't see how that'd be.
00:09:19.000 Yeah.
00:09:20.000 But I could see them going to that level.
00:09:22.000 I hope not, obviously, but that's who these people are.
00:09:24.000 When you're trying to prove something nefarious that really you don't have any evidence or empirical data, you got to do something serious if people are going to buy what you're trying to sell.
00:09:37.000 And people are getting tired of this.
00:09:39.000 And the governor is destroying businesses.
00:09:43.000 Kids are out of school.
00:09:45.000 People can't be with their loved ones when they're dying.
00:09:47.000 I mean, it's just all that's happened to California as a result of this.
00:09:50.000 And COVID is not panning out with what they said was going to happen.
00:09:55.000 And we've known this for a long time now.
00:09:57.000 Since April.
00:09:58.000 Since April.
00:09:59.000 Mid-April.
00:10:00.000 And, you know, all the models that they gave us of 2.2 million people dying and on and none of it, none of it came about.
00:10:00.000 Yeah.
00:10:08.000 They say 200,000 deaths in the United States.
00:10:11.000 CDC points out 6% are from COVID.
00:10:14.000 In our own county, of the tragically over 100 deaths, a little over 100 deaths, only two were from COVID.
00:10:21.000 The rest were with COVID.
00:10:22.000 With COVID.
00:10:23.000 An overdose.
00:10:24.000 A guy died of a drug overdose.
00:10:27.000 Tested positive for COVID, COVID death.
00:10:29.000 A car accident, crushed lung, tested positive for COVID, COVID death.
00:10:34.000 This is the over 100 deaths in the county, which is still one 100th of 1%.
00:10:39.000 But the reality is only two were from COVID-a 94-year-old male and a female in her late 70s.
00:10:47.000 That's it.
00:10:48.000 Everyone else?
00:10:48.000 Cormorbidities issues?
00:10:49.000 Yeah.
00:10:50.000 And so, but the marijuana dispensaries, wide open. 0.85
00:10:53.000 Abortion factories are wide open.
00:10:54.000 And BLM is allowed to do whatever they want.
00:10:56.000 BLM is allowed to run in the streets and no masks, no social distancing.
00:10:56.000 Yeah.
00:11:00.000 The governor embraces it.
00:11:01.000 He praises it. 0.98
00:11:03.000 Interesting, when they burned the businesses, 75% of the businesses that were burned and looted in Los Angeles were all Jewish-owned. 0.91
00:11:10.000 Targeted hate crime and nothing said about that. 0.75
00:11:14.000 And here we are as a church, and they want us to meet outside with masks.
00:11:18.000 And I don't know if you know this, but two weeks ago in the Canejo Valley where we reside, it was hotter in the Canejo than it was in Phoenix.
00:11:26.000 And they wanted us outside with masks on.
00:11:28.000 That's really healthy, isn't it?
00:11:30.000 Isn't that just brilliant? 0.53
00:11:31.000 They don't care about health.
00:11:32.000 No, they don't care about health or the church.
00:11:34.000 No.
00:11:35.000 They care about power.
00:11:36.000 They care about dogma and the narrative.
00:11:36.000 Yep.
00:11:39.000 And trying to control an election. 0.88
00:11:41.000 That's exactly right.
00:11:42.000 And if they actually care about health, they'd be talking about how one out of four of young people in this country in the last 90 days have contemplated suicide.
00:11:42.000 Yeah.
00:11:49.000 Yeah.
00:11:49.000 And that when churches are shut, there's a five times greater risk of suicide.
00:11:52.000 Yeah.
00:11:52.000 Yes, that's exactly right.
00:11:54.000 So there was a conversation that someone you and I both know had with a pastor in this area.
00:11:58.000 I don't say any names.
00:11:59.000 And they said it's our moral obligation to keep our churches closed.
00:12:03.000 That it is.
00:12:05.000 What's moral about that?
00:12:06.000 This is what a lot of, we get emails all the time from our listeners at freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:12:10.000 You guys can always email us where they say, Charlie, I love hearing Pastor Rob on your show.
00:12:16.000 I love what you guys are doing, but my pastor refuses to open, and he says that it's theologically and biblically immoral to open the church right now.
00:12:24.000 Rick Warren from California.
00:12:26.000 I'm going to say his name because he's big enough to take it.
00:12:28.000 He's a big guy.
00:12:30.000 I sent you that email.
00:12:32.000 And I received it from a number of other folks, and I saw the verses he used to justify it.
00:12:36.000 They're just alive.
00:12:37.000 I can't remember in life, Saddleback Church, Orange County, California.
00:12:42.000 Again, I'm not saying this out of any sort of spite.
00:12:44.000 He's done wonderful things.
00:12:45.000 I'm just saying.
00:12:46.000 But in this situation, he's a big guy.
00:12:48.000 He can handle it.
00:12:48.000 I'm not picking on the small here, but he said, we've got to keep the church closed indefinitely.
00:12:53.000 And he sent this whole diatribe.
00:12:57.000 Rob, we're reading from the same Bible.
00:12:59.000 Why are we having just two completely different ways to handle this thing?
00:13:03.000 Yeah, early on, my patients, especially with the pastors in our community that we have a great fellowship with, I love hopes, all things.
00:13:13.000 And I'm looking at these pastors and I'm contending with them.
00:13:13.000 I told you that.
00:13:16.000 They know what I'm going through.
00:13:18.000 I've done 180 nightly live streams, no less than 10 doctors, psychologists.
00:13:23.000 We've done all of that.
00:13:24.000 We've laid out the data.
00:13:26.000 I mean, you've had Dr. Keith Rose on your program.
00:13:28.000 We've known about this stuff and the insights that he's had since February.
00:13:33.000 I'd say even January.
00:13:35.000 We knew about the diamond princess or whatever that is.
00:13:39.000 And so I've been telling these pastors, and at this point, when we know the CDC's reported it, we know what I've been facing in the county.
00:13:47.000 I'm looking at these guys going, why are you not open?
00:13:53.000 There is zero evidence to say that you are helping the community.
00:13:56.000 You are hindering the community.
00:13:58.000 I would say to Rick Warren to his face, as my brother in Christ, you are not helping anyone by remaining closed.
00:14:06.000 But he's also giving cover fire for the thousands of other pastors that follow him.
00:14:10.000 Yep.
00:14:11.000 As John MacArthur is giving cover fire for all of us who are open, God bless him.
00:14:16.000 John MacArthur is fearless.
00:14:17.000 And I would say, you know, the second greatest commandment, love your neighbor as you love yourself.
00:14:23.000 On these two commandments, hang all the law of the prophets.
00:14:26.000 That second commandment.
00:14:27.000 Hey, pastor, love your neighbor.
00:14:28.000 Why would you expose them to this virus?
00:14:32.000 I would say to anyone who accuses me of that, the first commandment is love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind.
00:14:39.000 Not the governor, but the Lord.
00:14:42.000 And then love your neighbors yourself on these two commandments, hang all the law of the prophets.
00:14:45.000 I would say this.
00:14:46.000 I am loving my neighbor.
00:14:48.000 I'm loving my neighbor at a great cost.
00:14:50.000 We're being fined.
00:14:52.000 We're probably going to lose our building.
00:14:53.000 There's a chance of imprisonment.
00:14:55.000 We're contending.
00:14:58.000 We're being beat up by the press.
00:15:01.000 I've received death threats.
00:15:03.000 Our congregation has received, we've had protesters.
00:15:06.000 And who's the neighbor that we're loving?
00:15:09.000 You talk about being quarantined and sequestered with your abuser as an abused spouse or an abused child, and you're quarantined with them.
00:15:18.000 And the two mandated reporting agencies, the church and the schools, have all been closed.
00:15:24.000 Your children who have special needs no longer get to go to school.
00:15:28.000 And all of the elected officials say, we're in this together, but they've never missed a paycheck.
00:15:32.000 This is government malfeasance.
00:15:34.000 They've destroyed our businesses.
00:15:36.000 65% of the restaurants in our county will never reopen.
00:15:39.000 I'm looking at the pastors.
00:15:40.000 I'm looking at Rick Warren, Pastor Rick Warren.
00:15:42.000 I'm loving my neighbor.
00:15:43.000 What are you doing?
00:15:44.000 Because they're being abused.
00:15:46.000 Their entire life savings is being annihilated and wiped out.
00:15:51.000 And they don't get to be with their loved ones when they're dying in a hospital for a virus that has a 1 100th of 1% death rate.
00:16:00.000 And as we're seeing even now, the death rate is equivalent, yes, you're going to hear me say it, to the flu, the influenza.
00:16:06.000 With those CDC numbers, you look at it, that's the reality.
00:16:10.000 And we know it's 65 and older with corn morbidity.
00:16:13.000 We have Italian data coming in from Italy.
00:16:16.000 All of the European data proves that.
00:16:19.000 All the models they gave us were wrong, and the governor is making this political.
00:16:23.000 And I would say, why are you allowing this deception to ruin the state and the welfare and the life savings and the health, both the physical and mental and emotional and spiritual health of the populace?
00:16:41.000 So I have a question.
00:16:42.000 Is that loving your neighbor?
00:16:43.000 So loving your neighbor.
00:16:44.000 I have a question.
00:16:44.000 On the previous episode, you talked about the different types of love that are talked about in the Bible.
00:16:49.000 Phileo, Eros, Agape, and there's a fourth.
00:16:51.000 I can never remember what the fourth is.
00:16:53.000 Storge.
00:16:54.000 Story.
00:16:55.000 So, which is a brotherly love, right?
00:16:58.000 Phileo is what's considered a brotherly love.
00:17:00.000 Okay, what is storge then?
00:17:01.000 That's a tough one.
00:17:04.000 You're going to be hard pressed to find it in the scripture.
00:17:05.000 Agape is self-sacrificial love.
00:17:07.000 Eros is romantic love.
00:17:07.000 Agape.
00:17:08.000 Phileo is love of a brother.
00:17:10.000 When Christ said, love your neighbor as yourself, which type of love did he tell?
00:17:13.000 I don't know.
00:17:13.000 I'm just curious.
00:17:14.000 Yeah, the idea is agape.
00:17:15.000 Lay down your life.
00:17:16.000 Greater love has no man than this than to lay down his life for a friend.
00:17:19.000 I no longer call you servants.
00:17:22.000 I call you friends.
00:17:22.000 So he used agape in that.
00:17:24.000 Yeah, agape.
00:17:27.000 And so I suppose I'm just curious.
00:17:30.000 It's a love that serves.
00:17:31.000 You lay your life down.
00:17:33.000 Yeah.
00:17:34.000 I would imagine, though, that I don't understand what would be loving about telling people you cannot do something that brings them to get closer to the Lord.
00:17:47.000 It's not force.
00:17:48.000 I don't understand.
00:17:49.000 It'd be one thing if we were saying, we're going to pass a law that you must go to a mass gathering now.
00:17:54.000 You and I aren't saying that.
00:17:55.000 We're just saying give people the liberty to be able to do that.
00:17:59.000 And if they don't want to, they don't feel comfortable and they want to sit in their apartment alone with two masks on.
00:18:05.000 That's what is pretty amazing about liberty.
00:18:08.000 You can do that.
00:18:09.000 Yeah.
00:18:10.000 I was on a flight to Sacramento.
00:18:13.000 I got on early, got my favorite seat with the legroom.
00:18:18.000 Southwest flight is it?
00:18:19.000 Southwest.
00:18:19.000 Guy sits down next to me with a seat in the middle open.
00:18:23.000 Boom, big guy sits down. 0.79
00:18:24.000 He goes, I was in the front and the woman, he's wearing a mask talking to his mask.
00:18:28.000 He says, I'm sitting up front and the woman was sniffling and she was sick.
00:18:32.000 I go, did you have a mask on?
00:18:34.000 He goes, yeah.
00:18:35.000 I go, then if they work, why were you afraid?
00:18:39.000 And he just didn't want to talk to me.
00:18:42.000 Well, I kept pursuing it.
00:18:44.000 By the time we landed in Sacramento, it was kind of a red pill moment where I was just saying, look, the data doesn't add up.
00:18:50.000 If masks work, why are you worried?
00:18:51.000 I mean, come on.
00:18:52.000 We're all being duped here, friend.
00:18:54.000 And he was laughing towards the end, and we started to get it.
00:18:57.000 But I think if anyone should be describing and declaring the truth, it should be pastors.
00:19:03.000 And they should be educated completely on this virus.
00:19:06.000 And not just that, but what the government is attempting to do.
00:19:10.000 Because as I say continually, liberty is not man's idea.
00:19:14.000 It's God's idea.
00:19:17.000 And they are usurping our liberty.
00:19:19.000 And that's what Paul would contend for in Galatians, standing fast, therefore, in the liberty for Christ to set you free.
00:19:25.000 I would look at Pastor Rick Warren and say, come on, they are usurping through tyranny the freedom, the God-given freedom, and you're complicit with that.
00:19:39.000 Yes.
00:19:41.000 At this point.
00:19:42.000 And so he said in his email, I'm paraphrasing here.
00:19:45.000 And again, I've followed Rick Warren for years.
00:19:48.000 I was thoroughly blessed.
00:19:50.000 One of the most amazing things in my life happened as a result of that man's ministry.
00:19:53.000 I'm grateful for him.
00:19:54.000 But in this instance, I don't get it.
00:19:57.000 I'm confused too.
00:19:58.000 But what he says in the email, it's not a threat of religious liberty because everyone's affected by it.
00:20:04.000 Not true.
00:20:05.000 Why?
00:20:06.000 Well, first of all, why is the church considered non-essential?
00:20:10.000 But cannabis distributors are.
00:20:11.000 And there's 150% increase in alcohol consumption.
00:20:14.000 Drug use is overwhelming.
00:20:16.000 Why are casinos permitted to be open?
00:20:19.000 Pastor Rick, do you not see the duplicity in this?
00:20:22.000 Do you not see the contradiction in all this?
00:20:24.000 This is a direct attack on religious liberty. 0.71
00:20:27.000 They are focused on that.
00:20:30.000 Why are they litigating against Pastor John MacArthur?
00:20:32.000 Why are they coming after us?
00:20:34.000 Why are they doing this?
00:20:35.000 And now they're going after James Cadiz and Signal Hill.
00:20:38.000 Right.
00:20:38.000 And here's another question.
00:20:40.000 Where in the Bible are some people considered essential and others are not?
00:20:46.000 That's arbitrary.
00:20:47.000 And especially in our form of government, if you want to follow Romans 13, Pastor Rick, the authority in Romans 13 is we, the people in a constitutional republic, learn Paul understood his Roman citizenship and appealed to it.
00:20:59.000 As pastors, we need to understand our American citizenship and appeal to it.
00:21:05.000 Lead your people.
00:21:08.000 And he's not alone.
00:21:10.000 There are pastors, Andy Stanley, who allegedly is supposed to be a popular guy.
00:21:16.000 I've never heard of him before.
00:21:17.000 His dad was pretty amazing.
00:21:18.000 I don't know Andy Stanley that well.
00:21:20.000 He said the church remained closed till next year.
00:21:22.000 Every church in America.
00:21:23.000 And if you're open, you're doing something wrong.
00:21:26.000 Well, yeah.
00:21:26.000 Paraphrasing the language.
00:21:27.000 Yeah.
00:21:27.000 And I think it's pretty fierce the way he said.
00:21:29.000 Yeah, it was.
00:21:30.000 And he was, wasn't it Liberty where he did that?
00:21:32.000 Great school, but he was a live streamer.
00:21:33.000 I can't believe Liberty allowed that.
00:21:36.000 I mean, they allow a lot of things, but it was just incredible.
00:21:40.000 That's just bad teaching. 0.99
00:21:44.000 That's ignorant teaching. 0.98
00:21:45.000 And if you want somebody who's educated to speak at a university, I would pick that person as opposed to someone who's ignorant and speaks of something he knows nothing about. 0.97
00:21:55.000 And I want to, you and I know so many of these pastors, and I mentioned them in a previous little thing we did.
00:22:00.000 Sam Musgrave, James Cadiz, Greg Locke, Mike McClure, Cody Kuhl, Jack Kibbs, Ken Graves, Sam Duth, David Engelhart, and many of them have been on our podcast before because there are pastors that are right.
00:22:10.000 Pastor Juergen.
00:22:11.000 But Jürgen's amazing.
00:22:12.000 I love that guy.
00:22:13.000 Love that guy.
00:22:14.000 Tom Hughes, Tom.
00:22:15.000 Yeah.
00:22:15.000 They're terrific.
00:22:16.000 And Phil Green in Cisco, Texas.
00:22:19.000 We're going to be with you.
00:22:20.000 Yeah, you're going to have a chance to see him, yeah.
00:22:21.000 Oh, let's not forget Paul Van Noy.
00:22:24.000 Of course.
00:22:24.000 He's open.
00:22:26.000 He's dealing with leukemia and corbidities, ends up contracting COVID, has a 20% chance of living.
00:22:31.000 Ridiculed by the media.
00:22:32.000 Ridiculed by the media.
00:22:34.000 20% chance of living.
00:22:35.000 They are ready to bury him and make a story.
00:22:37.000 And he just said to me, even if I die, I want my people to have liberty.
00:22:42.000 He comes out of it, out of IC.
00:22:44.000 Yeah, candlelight fellowship.
00:22:44.000 Candlelight church.
00:22:46.000 And we're going to go up there in Court Elaine.
00:22:48.000 That guy, what a hero.
00:22:48.000 What a cool dude.
00:22:51.000 And so there is something special happening with a certain form of pastors.
00:22:55.000 But I'll tell you the frustrating thing.
00:22:57.000 And I'm in a very unique position here because I don't see many people in the political world that are trying to get the Christian world activated, like what I'm trying to do.
00:23:07.000 And I feel called to do it, and I think we're actually making progress with it.
00:23:11.000 I really do.
00:23:12.000 And so then I look at these emails I get from these young people, and I CCU on a lot of them.
00:23:17.000 Yeah, they're amazing.
00:23:18.000 Where they say, my pastor says we must support BLM.
00:23:23.000 You see these emails. 0.97
00:23:24.000 I do, I do.
00:23:24.000 I'm not paranoid.
00:23:25.000 Breaks my heart.
00:23:26.000 I'm not being alarmist.
00:23:27.000 I am.
00:23:29.000 This is completely factual.
00:23:30.000 My pastor says the biggest threat to America is systemic racism.
00:23:34.000 My pastor says we must continue to be closed.
00:23:37.000 And now we're seeing some pastors.
00:23:38.000 Your pastor friend needs to turn off the television and read his Bible because you're being fed and You're being indoctrinated, not educated.
00:23:50.000 Yes.
00:23:51.000 And so there's a lot of young people that will listen to this, a lot of new parents that are trapped in communities where there are not good, not that many church options, many churches that are closed.
00:24:02.000 And so you say, vote with your feet, leave the church.
00:24:04.000 Yeah.
00:24:05.000 But more broadly, what is your just call to people that are just so frustrated in their churches at this point?
00:24:11.000 I'll give you a perfect example.
00:24:13.000 I went up with Kurt Cameron up to Portland to go assess what Antifa had done.
00:24:18.000 We went by the federal courthouse, all burned out.
00:24:20.000 Antifa were scoping us out.
00:24:22.000 We were tailed and tracked and followed and the whole bit.
00:24:25.000 We saw the place where the Trump supporter was shot and murdered.
00:24:29.000 We saw it all.
00:24:30.000 Then we went and we met with some folks whose lives have been absolutely decimated as a result of government malfeasance and not prosecuting folks.
00:24:40.000 And they call them peaceful riots.
00:24:42.000 There was nothing peaceful about it.
00:24:45.000 And we were with police officers that, you know, they arrest these Antifa, and the district attorney releases them.
00:24:51.000 It is complete chaos. 0.99
00:24:52.000 They've ruined their communities.
00:24:53.000 One in particular, Jen Jacobson. 1.00
00:24:56.000 She runs a cheesecake store with her three boys, single mom. 0.98
00:25:01.000 Her father abused her when she was a child, physically, emotionally.
00:25:06.000 He forced her to wear a paper bag and sit on a chair.
00:25:10.000 And if she asked for the bag to be removed, he made her wear it longer.
00:25:13.000 It became traumatic and claustrophobic, where it paralyzed her.
00:25:17.000 She ends up marrying an abusive man who beats the tar out of her, leaves, has her three boys, raises them on her own, puts herself through school, had food stamps for a season, starts her own business, completely off food stamps, employs people.
00:25:32.000 COVID hits.
00:25:33.000 She stands in opposition, won't do mass because she knows what rape victims and victims of abuse endure, and says, I will just assume that you have a medical condition.
00:25:45.000 You're welcome in here if you're not wearing a mask.
00:25:47.000 And they come after her.
00:25:49.000 And she says, and she's crying.
00:25:51.000 She says, I have gone throughout all of the Willamette Valley looking for a church that's open.
00:25:51.000 She's a believer.
00:25:58.000 Silverton, I can't find one.
00:26:01.000 This is someone who's hurting and they can't find a church that's open.
00:26:08.000 And you're saying, well, watch us on a live stream.
00:26:11.000 Oh, okay.
00:26:12.000 So in the wintertime, can I watch a fireplace on the live stream and stay warm?
00:26:16.000 Oh, no, but it looks like a fireplace and it sounds like a fireplace, but there's no warmth.
00:26:22.000 You do nothing for her on the internet.
00:26:25.000 Those boys need encouragement.
00:26:28.000 They need fellowship.
00:26:29.000 She needs someone to talk to and to walk through this with her.
00:26:34.000 And she's getting beat up and no one is standing in her defense because you're collecting your tithes while everyone's watching TV.
00:26:41.000 There's work to be done.
00:26:42.000 Stand up in defense of these folks, the widow and the orphan, and all closed.
00:26:48.000 And they're still closed for no medical reason whatsoever.
00:26:51.000 That doesn't hold water.
00:26:52.000 We know about the virus.
00:26:55.000 But, Rob, just to kind of contribute a little, not devil's advocate, but just something that I'm wrestling with.
00:27:02.000 We know the list of good pastors and there's more out there.
00:27:04.000 There's a lot more.
00:27:06.000 Yeah.
00:27:07.000 But Rob, you and I had this conversation back in June.
00:27:09.000 Yeah.
00:27:10.000 What's going on here?
00:27:11.000 Why is there no why are the pastors okay with it?
00:27:14.000 Do they actually believe in the gospel?
00:27:17.000 No, that's what that's where I go to.
00:27:18.000 Yeah.
00:27:19.000 I actually don't, I like, I say, if you're not open, I doubt your faith.
00:27:25.000 It's that simple.
00:27:27.000 No, seriously.
00:27:28.000 No, I hear you.
00:27:29.000 I wouldn't go that far, but I would say this.
00:27:32.000 How could you be closed?
00:27:33.000 Yeah.
00:27:34.000 I mean, how could you do that?
00:27:34.000 In Portland.
00:27:36.000 Yeah.
00:27:37.000 It's not changing.
00:27:40.000 Some are.
00:27:41.000 Not enough.
00:27:41.000 Not fast enough.
00:27:42.000 I agree.
00:27:44.000 You said in Portland, she can't find a single church.
00:27:46.000 Who are those people?
00:27:47.000 It made me sad and I was bummed.
00:27:49.000 It makes me angry.
00:27:50.000 Yeah.
00:27:51.000 It's evil.
00:27:54.000 Yeah.
00:27:55.000 And I want them set free, the pastors who are captivated.
00:28:00.000 I want America to awaken.
00:28:02.000 But I know this.
00:28:02.000 I want it all to happen.
00:28:03.000 My frustration is not going to be as effective as my prayer.
00:28:09.000 God, open their hearts to open their church.
00:28:13.000 The fervent, faithful prayers of a righteous man accomplish great things.
00:28:17.000 The anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God.
00:28:21.000 Yeah, I am angry, but that doesn't do me any good, Charlie.
00:28:24.000 Isn't it faith without works is dead?
00:28:24.000 I'm frustrated.
00:28:26.000 It is.
00:28:27.000 So are these people's faith dead?
00:28:29.000 Pray that they would awaken.
00:28:31.000 I do.
00:28:31.000 Amen.
00:28:32.000 Jesus is at the right hand of the Father.
00:28:34.000 They're supposed to be saved, these pastors in Portland, right?
00:28:36.000 So why are they not doing anything?
00:28:37.000 I'm wrestling with this.
00:28:39.000 So I look at this where I'm getting death threats.
00:28:39.000 I know you are.
00:28:42.000 I'm getting chased around the country.
00:28:43.000 I got secular people fighting harder for their ability to open.
00:28:46.000 Exactly. 0.99
00:28:47.000 That's the part that gets me the most.
00:28:49.000 So here's the thing, Ryan.
00:28:50.000 And when I say I doubt their faith, I do.
00:28:53.000 Maybe that's not the right thing for me to say, but explain to me how I'm supposed to explain to the secular world why they believe what they believe.
00:29:01.000 Because there's atheists out there that actually are fighting harder to open up the church than the pastors are.
00:29:08.000 I'll encourage you with this.
00:29:10.000 Because I'm not alone in that belief.
00:29:12.000 I understand.
00:29:13.000 You know the story about Gideon.
00:29:16.000 So Gideon is to go to battle, and God whittles it down.
00:29:21.000 They're already outnumbered, and he whittles it down to 300.
00:29:24.000 And they win.
00:29:25.000 And they win.
00:29:26.000 However, God said, if you're afraid, go home.
00:29:29.000 And they all went home.
00:29:30.000 The lion share of them went home. 0.93
00:29:31.000 After Gideon won the first battle, God let him come back.
00:29:36.000 Sometimes, I mean, for a long time in America, we have become enamored with thinking a church is successful by buildings, budgets, and baptisms, the three Bs.
00:29:48.000 And yet we're responsible for liberty and freedom.
00:29:51.000 We're responsible for transforming culture.
00:29:57.000 And, you know, we've never owned more real estate, had more attendance, and been so irrelevant to the point where the government would declare the church is non-essential.
00:30:09.000 And the church believes itself to be non-essential.
00:30:11.000 Oh, yeah, they argue in favor of it.
00:30:12.000 They argue in favor of it.
00:30:13.000 They roll over.
00:30:14.000 And yet the people out there that are standing...
00:30:17.000 Do you remember, did you see the woman, was it in Iowa?
00:30:22.000 No, no, Ohio, where she didn't wear a mask at a football game and they tased her.
00:30:28.000 And then they restrained her.
00:30:29.000 Do you know what's amazing?
00:30:30.000 Not one person on the left says, that's police brutality.
00:30:32.000 No.
00:30:33.000 But here's the sad part.
00:30:35.000 Nobody in the stand stood in her defense.
00:30:37.000 That's right.
00:30:38.000 It's almost as though America is paralyzed by fear.
00:30:42.000 And who's the only one that declares God hasn't given you a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind?
00:30:49.000 How will they know unless someone tells them?
00:30:52.000 And how effective is a message not to be afraid when you're afraid to open and the only way you can speak is behind.
00:30:58.000 It's not just afraid to open.
00:30:59.000 There's some pastors that email me and they say, well, my congregation will let me open.
00:31:03.000 They'll revolt.
00:31:04.000 No, it's both ways, though.
00:31:04.000 Yeah.
00:31:05.000 It's like, I kind of want to, but I blame my congregation.
00:31:08.000 The fear of man is a snare.
00:31:10.000 Man.
00:31:11.000 The fear of man is a snare.
00:31:13.000 I used to have a coach that, you know, said.
00:31:15.000 But I'm really struggling with this. 0.68
00:31:17.000 Why do the secular people, why are they okay with opening more than the Christians? 0.81
00:31:25.000 I don't get it. 0.93
00:31:26.000 Why is Home Depot cool with opening?
00:31:28.000 Why, when I fly United Airlines from Chicago to Phoenix, we are packed in like sardines, sardines, recirculating, recirculating.
00:31:36.000 Next, I got people slobbering over me.
00:31:39.000 And you're allowed to take your mask off the other day.
00:31:40.000 You need to keep the masks off, okay?
00:31:41.000 And by the way, there's people asleep.
00:31:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:31:44.000 Like this, cashed out with the mask around their chin.
00:31:47.000 So everyone's heir is everyone's heir there.
00:31:47.000 Right.
00:31:47.000 Right?
00:31:50.000 Exactly.
00:31:51.000 And yet we're cool with that.
00:31:52.000 Yeah, because we've got to save the corporations, right?
00:31:54.000 We don't have to save the churches.
00:31:57.000 And so I know it might not be correct orthodoxy, but man, I do not, there's something that is not computing for me.
00:32:05.000 Truly, it is a, I don't know.
00:32:07.000 Maybe it's not for me to judge, but it is for me to just question.
00:32:11.000 Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King said when the pastors in Alabama, Birmingham, Alabama, I believe it was, said to him, you know, you're on the wrong side of history because you're in prison.
00:32:22.000 And his response to those pastors was, no, you're on the wrong side of history because you're not in prison with me.
00:32:28.000 And it cost him a great deal.
00:32:31.000 He's remembered.
00:32:33.000 Name for me one of those pastors who were defending the antebellum South.
00:32:40.000 You can't name them.
00:32:42.000 And they're going to be discarded into the ash heap of history, forever forgotten.
00:32:48.000 Now, they may have done some good things in the course of the ministry and touched certain lives, but the ones who transformed the culture are the ones that would stand now.
00:33:00.000 So here's my test now.
00:33:02.000 And I agree that we should have grace with all this, but I'm just going to be, that was my honest test.
00:33:05.000 I got it.
00:33:06.000 That's how I am.
00:33:08.000 And my job is to just soften it.
00:33:11.000 I'm trying to pastor.
00:33:12.000 And I also get, and I have to stop myself from this, I get a little bitter when I travel the country so much and I'm fighting for all this stuff.
00:33:19.000 And I just got pastors that are just kept bringing in the tides and building the building.
00:33:23.000 You sound like Elijah.
00:33:25.000 Yeah, well, that's not humanity. 0.63
00:33:26.000 I'm the only one who hasn't bowed my knee to Bail.
00:33:29.000 There's a lot more than that.
00:33:30.000 I'm not saying I'm the only one.
00:33:31.000 I'm not.
00:33:32.000 I'm saying that I am growing weary of these pastors that say they contend for these things when they don't.
00:33:40.000 And it's.
00:33:41.000 Can I encourage you and everyone else out there with that same heart?
00:33:43.000 Because I'm in the boat with you.
00:33:45.000 All right.
00:33:46.000 One man and God constitutes a majority.
00:33:51.000 And your discouragement has no bearing on God's victory.
00:33:58.000 When you stand, you become a vessel of righteousness.
00:34:02.000 You're an instrument in his hand.
00:34:04.000 You get to witness one of the most exciting periods in American history.
00:34:10.000 One in nine Americans fought in the Revolutionary War.
00:34:13.000 They were remembered.
00:34:14.000 When they would look back, and there's going to be people who are going to want to take credit and they're going to come after the war's over.
00:34:19.000 But, Charlie, everyone who's standing with you now, we have the privilege and the joy to watch God move on behalf of those who would stand and show himself strong like he did for Gideon.
00:34:31.000 Don't be discouraged.
00:34:32.000 Don't be bitter.
00:34:34.000 Hey, they're going to miss an opportunity of a lifetime.
00:34:38.000 And they're going to look at their kids and say, no, I didn't march with Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King.
00:34:46.000 But didn't you live there?
00:34:47.000 Weren't you?
00:34:48.000 Yeah.
00:34:49.000 Yeah, I wasn't on that side of it.
00:34:52.000 And then make up a story and then they have to live with the lie.
00:34:56.000 Or they can say, I remember 2020.
00:34:59.000 I remember when they came to steal the republic.
00:35:02.000 I remember when they were shooting officers in the street and they were implementing Marxist ideals and the churches were shut and the governors were unifying to destroy America.
00:35:12.000 I remember that and I stood in defiance and I was fined and I was put in jail and I went to 40 states in 20 days or whatever and I was exhausted and I did it because I wanted you to have a future, son.
00:35:27.000 I look at my kids and I look at my grandkids even now and someday I'm going to look at my great-grandkids and my head's going to hit that pillow with joy because I know I'm doing everything I can for their future.
00:35:38.000 I have no regret. 0.97
00:35:40.000 They're the losers. 0.99
00:35:42.000 I hear you. 1.00
00:35:44.000 It's not me I'm worried about.
00:35:45.000 I'm worried about the country because if those people, at some point, the numbers have got to till I find comfort in what you're saying.
00:35:55.000 I do.
00:35:56.000 It's been definitely a learning moment, though.
00:35:58.000 So here's, that's a nice transition.
00:36:01.000 So the church has really been tested this year.
00:36:03.000 Would you agree?
00:36:04.000 Absolutely.
00:36:05.000 More so than last year, the year before that, a year before that, a year before that.
00:36:08.000 So we have an election.
00:36:11.000 So some of these churches say, we don't do politics.
00:36:13.000 We've been through that.
00:36:14.000 Yeah, but politics are going to do them.
00:36:15.000 Well, that's interesting.
00:36:16.000 Okay, no, okay.
00:36:18.000 Stay shut down.
00:36:20.000 Okay. 0.87
00:36:21.000 But they're going to march for BLM.
00:36:22.000 Oh, yeah.
00:36:23.000 But the ones that march for BLM, when they're called out, they say, don't worry.
00:36:27.000 I'll be with you on the abortion thing.
00:36:28.000 Yeah. 0.95
00:36:29.000 True me?
00:36:30.000 Yeah, you march for BLM, even though they're supported by Planned Parenthood. 0.54
00:36:30.000 Abortion. 0.54
00:36:34.000 And they call demonic spirits in the streets and all sorts of things. 0.98
00:36:37.000 And Planned Parenthood wipes out the black community. 0.98
00:36:39.000 40% of the abortions are on the black community. 0.99
00:36:41.000 But you're destroying the white life. 0.99
00:36:42.000 You're describing the clear family. 1.00
00:36:43.000 We got it.
00:36:44.000 Right.
00:36:44.000 You're with us.
00:36:44.000 You're with us.
00:36:45.000 Yeah.
00:36:45.000 Okay.
00:36:45.000 I got it.
00:36:46.000 Guess what? 0.95
00:36:47.000 We have a chance to end abortion. 0.98
00:36:48.000 I know. 0.95
00:36:49.000 In our lifetime, right now.
00:36:51.000 Right here, right now.
00:36:52.000 Battle lines drawn.
00:36:54.000 What's the marching orders for us?
00:36:56.000 Every church should mobilize every congregant in a way we've never seen for grassroots push.
00:37:01.000 I'm wearing the Amy Coney Barrett shirt right now.
00:37:02.000 I love it.
00:37:03.000 You guys can see it.
00:37:05.000 Are you prophetic on this one?
00:37:06.000 Because that's pretty cool.
00:37:08.000 I just got to tell you.
00:37:09.000 It's kind of cool.
00:37:09.000 So it's actually off of the notorious RBG thing.
00:37:11.000 RBG.
00:37:12.000 Playing off of it.
00:37:13.000 ACB RBG.
00:37:14.000 Here you go, guys, right here.
00:37:15.000 What up?
00:37:15.000 TPUSA.com/slash shop.
00:37:17.000 You guys can get a copy of it.
00:37:20.000 She's a woman of faith.
00:37:20.000 She's amazing.
00:37:21.000 Yeah. 0.54
00:37:22.000 I've read about her. 0.98
00:37:23.000 She's remarkable.
00:37:24.000 Adopted two kids.
00:37:25.000 Special needs, I think, one of them.
00:37:27.000 Yeah, and I think also another from Haiti. 1.00
00:37:29.000 Unbelievable. 1.00
00:37:30.000 Incredibly pro-life.
00:37:32.000 I mean, you cannot think for a better person for the church to rise up. 0.86
00:37:36.000 To end the Holocaust and the slaughter of the unborn. 0.51
00:37:40.000 60 million people. 0.65
00:37:41.000 60 million people. 0.99
00:37:42.000 Babies in their mother's womb.
00:37:45.000 And you're telling me you have compassion?
00:37:48.000 You believe in the scriptures when the Bible says you've been fearfully and wonderfully made knitted together in your mother's womb before you were born.
00:37:54.000 Jeremiah or something.
00:37:54.000 I knew you.
00:37:56.000 It's all there.
00:37:58.000 John the Baptist leapt in the womb when he was in the presence of Jesus in the womb with Elizabeth and Mary.
00:38:04.000 They were both named in the womb.
00:38:06.000 These aren't blobs of tissue.
00:38:07.000 These are human beings.
00:38:08.000 What's amazing is that before ultrasound, before understanding, the Bible was articulating life beginning at conception.
00:38:15.000 That's what's really incredible.
00:38:15.000 Exactly.
00:38:16.000 That was before we had any of the technology.
00:38:18.000 Knitted together is the picture of a DNA.
00:38:20.000 It's like a knitting thing.
00:38:22.000 Everything about it.
00:38:22.000 It's just so cool.
00:38:24.000 God knew.
00:38:24.000 No other religious text gets even close to the scientific prophecy, the earth being round, germ theory, all of that is articulated in the Bible.
00:38:32.000 It's amazing.
00:38:33.000 So now, let's just have a little bit of grace, everything we talked about before.
00:38:38.000 But if you're watching this and your pastor stays silent on the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett, whoa.
00:38:46.000 Yeah.
00:38:47.000 What's your take on it?
00:38:48.000 Now's the time than ever, louder than ever.
00:38:50.000 Yeah.
00:38:51.000 In the streets.
00:38:52.000 This is our moment.
00:38:53.000 Yeah.
00:38:54.000 You go ahead and you sit with all of the German pastors with Adolf Hitler as the Jews are going off to Auschwitz.
00:39:04.000 And you sit and you're in agreement because he's going to allow your church to remain open and your pensions to be secured. 0.61
00:39:10.000 And then Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Martin Niemohler say, well, we're concerned about the soul of Germany. 0.69
00:39:14.000 And Hitler says, you leave that to me. 0.58
00:39:17.000 And all those pastors scooted away from Niem Moeller and Bonhoeffer because church was a business.
00:39:25.000 And they were not concerned with liberty.
00:39:28.000 They were not concerned with life.
00:39:29.000 They were concerned with comfort.
00:39:32.000 They weren't leaders.
00:39:33.000 They weren't shepherds.
00:39:34.000 They were hirelings.
00:39:36.000 And they were complicit and complacent.
00:39:39.000 And God is saying, now's the time to stand.
00:39:44.000 And if you're a shepherd, lead your people, lead them.
00:39:50.000 Otherwise, you're going to have to give an accounting.
00:39:53.000 Because as a shepherd, I have to tell you, you are far more accountable than the congregants in your church.
00:40:03.000 God holds you to a higher standard.
00:40:06.000 He says you have to come with two or three witnesses to accuse a pastor.
00:40:10.000 But when it's proven, you have a public repentance and the cost is greater.
00:40:18.000 You're given more favor, but the cost is greater when you fail.
00:40:22.000 And you are entrusted with the living, breathing word of God that brings life, liberty.
00:40:31.000 And you were entrusted to rightly divide that.
00:40:35.000 And if you fail both in your verbally rightly dividing it in your studies and your life and compromise that message for those entrusted by you to serve, be careful.
00:40:50.000 This is critical.
00:40:51.000 This is it.
00:40:51.000 You get to save babies.
00:40:53.000 Stand up.
00:40:53.000 Stand up.
00:40:54.000 And also the church.
00:40:55.000 Oh.
00:40:55.000 Look at Calvary Chapel versus Las Vegas.
00:40:57.000 Yeah.
00:40:57.000 John Roberts decided to go to the other, the opposition.
00:41:01.000 You get Amy Coney Barrett.
00:41:02.000 She'll definitely say the church is essential.
00:41:03.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:41:04.000 No, no, no.
00:41:05.000 No, we're not going to open the casino.
00:41:06.000 We're going to open the church.
00:41:07.000 The church gets to open.
00:41:09.000 That's Amy Koney Barrett's perspective.
00:41:10.000 Yeah, let's get back to being normal.
00:41:12.000 That's Neil Gorsuch's perspective.
00:41:13.000 That's Brett Kavanaugh's perspective.
00:41:15.000 The Justice League is what we're going to call them.
00:41:17.000 The Justice League.
00:41:17.000 I love that.
00:41:18.000 With President Trump.
00:41:20.000 But wait, wait.
00:41:21.000 President Trump.
00:41:22.000 We don't like his tweets.
00:41:23.000 We don't like his tweets.
00:41:24.000 And he's been three times married and twice divorced.
00:41:27.000 And he, oh, okay.
00:41:29.000 Yeah, that's called virtue signaling.
00:41:31.000 Secure this justice.
00:41:32.000 Yeah.
00:41:33.000 You have three constitutional liberties.
00:41:36.000 I love it.
00:41:36.000 I mean, with the guy who was never supposed to be president, who came down the escalator, if that does not motivate you to do stuff you've never done to get him re-elected, man.
00:41:47.000 You enjoy the liberty that established by these folks who are fighting for it, but you won't defend it.
00:41:53.000 What are you going to tell your kids and your grandkids?
00:41:55.000 But they don't care about some of these people, they don't.
00:41:58.000 I think it's deeper than that.
00:42:00.000 I don't know if it's deeper.
00:42:01.000 I just think it's they'll tell their kids and grandkids a lie because they're living a lie.
00:42:06.000 Then they have to live with that.
00:42:07.000 And that's not pleasant.
00:42:09.000 I know that, but I'm not okay with them living.
00:42:10.000 I want a country that preserves life and preserves liberty.
00:42:14.000 You'll reap what you sow.
00:42:15.000 I agree with that.
00:42:16.000 I do.
00:42:19.000 So Mondays, you're hearing.
00:42:20.000 Yeah.
00:42:21.000 We'll pray for you.
00:42:22.000 I got to tell you something.
00:42:24.000 I'm grateful for the prayers.
00:42:26.000 I have a total peace because of the prayers.
00:42:29.000 It doesn't make any sense why I should be at such peace.
00:42:31.000 It doesn't.
00:42:32.000 I could lose my house.
00:42:33.000 I could go to jail.
00:42:34.000 IRS hot.
00:42:35.000 I mean, they can mess with you. 0.97
00:42:36.000 I've gone down the whole list, but I got to tell you this one thing.
00:42:40.000 There's nothing that they can take from me that I haven't already given to God.
00:42:45.000 And there's nothing that they could take from me that compares to what liberty means to me on behalf of my kids, my grandkids, and generations to come.
00:42:56.000 Amen.
00:42:57.000 There is such a joy in that, Charlie, that I wish every pastor in the country would realize the significance of what it does to your heart when you can look your kids in the eyes and say, I want you to be free.
00:43:16.000 And every business, everything should just, everyone opened their doors at once.
00:43:21.000 They can't stop us.
00:43:23.000 And you know that this whole thing is a farce.
00:43:26.000 Now stand.
00:43:28.000 It's the call to action.
00:43:30.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:43:31.000 They shut down our country, the virus, race riots. 1.00
00:43:34.000 But now there's two things left. 0.90
00:43:36.000 There's a confirmation fight.
00:43:38.000 That's going to be hilarious.
00:43:40.000 And an election.
00:43:41.000 Yeah.
00:43:41.000 They're going to be.
00:43:43.000 2020 is not done yet, everybody.
00:43:44.000 No, no, and despite all my frustration, I'm not slowing down.
00:43:48.000 And we still, there's got to be an October surprise in there with something.
00:43:51.000 Yeah, we're still in September.
00:43:52.000 I know.
00:43:52.000 Are they going to launch another virus?
00:43:53.000 What are they going to do?
00:43:54.000 I mean, TBD.
00:43:56.000 TBD.
00:43:57.000 For ACB.
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00:44:14.000 Fill the seat.
00:44:14.000 Confirm the justice.
00:44:15.000 Open your church.
00:44:16.000 Open your church.
00:44:17.000 Let's go to open your church first and then go to the other part.
00:44:19.000 Okay.
00:44:20.000 Open your church.
00:44:21.000 Fill that seat.
00:44:22.000 Fill the seat. 0.97
00:44:23.000 Yeah.
00:44:23.000 Fill the seat so you can open your church, but still open your church first.
00:44:25.000 Let's do it anyway.
00:44:26.000 And then fill the seat.
00:44:28.000 And let's win the election.
00:44:30.000 And then let's win the election.
00:44:31.000 That's the right thing, right?
00:44:32.000 In that order.
00:44:32.000 Open the church, fill the seat, win the election.
00:44:34.000 Yeah.
00:44:34.000 Amen.
00:44:34.000 Email us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:44:36.000 God bless you guys.
00:44:37.000 God bless you, everybody.
00:44:42.000 Thank you guys so much for listening.
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00:45:00.000 Fill that seat.
00:45:01.000 Stay focused.
00:45:03.000 Hold the line.
00:45:04.000 God bless you.
00:45:05.000 Talk to you soon.