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00:01:18.000We are at Chapter Leadership Summit 2026 in Washington, D.C., our nation's capital.
00:01:23.000We have over 2,500 of our top student leaders from Turning Point USA gathered together doing training, workshops, hearing from amazing speakers.
00:01:32.000And we wanted to get their views and opinions on what's going on in the world.
00:01:36.000There's a lot going on, there's a lot of opinions that We think the older generations and a lot of people in power really need to hear from younger Americans, people that are voting, that actually have real opinions that might diverge from the more establishment view, the more Washington, D.C. centric view,
00:01:53.000And they are critically important to understand where the country is going and what's going to happen next.
00:01:57.000So, gathered around this table are some of our amazing student leaders at Turning Point USA, and we're going to have them introduce themselves to you.
00:02:05.000Hi, my name is Sephora Cremon, and I'm a senior at the University of Miami.
00:02:47.000So, there is so much going on, both internationally and domestically, but I think we'd probably find broad agreement in this group that we want to focus more domestically, right?
00:02:59.000There's a lot of issues that we need to address right here at home, but there are nagging things abroad.
00:03:05.000And there's been a lot of news lately coming out of Iran.
00:03:08.000We were trying to get the MOU across the finish line.
00:04:34.000But that doesn't mean that we need to avoid all going overseas because there are so many issues that happen all the time overseas that do affect us here.
00:04:44.000Who maybe had the opposite opinion of it?
00:05:51.000I had a lot of people that felt like Trump was a fraud.
00:05:55.000I had a lot of people that praised Trump for it.
00:05:58.000And the positions ranged so widely, and we saw a clear division within the party.
00:06:05.000When the party can't unite behind main issues, I think, you know, especially in a place like New York, where we're so overly dominated by Democrats, to have that division amongst the Republicans is really detrimental.
00:06:19.000And to follow up so we have the division when it launched.
00:06:22.000Since then, we've settled into this sometimes on, sometimes off, relatively low intensity conflict.
00:06:29.000Do you see the division healing at all, where some people have said it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be, or it's out of the headlines a bit more, or is it?
00:06:38.000Getting worse because the conflict is still going on.
00:06:41.000How do you see the trend and how people are feeling?
00:06:43.000I think generally, especially with our younger generation, people have the tendency to forget about things rather quickly and move on to the next headline.
00:06:53.000But with that being said, I think a lot of people still feel misled because originally Trump said that I forgot exactly how many days he said it was going to last, but he gave assurance that this wasn't going to be an ongoing thing.
00:07:45.000And I think what's interesting is the conservatives who are jumping ship, they're jumping ship because Trump said no new wars and stuff like that.
00:07:51.000And I always ask them so, if there was a major crisis, are we not allowed to go now?
00:07:56.000I think that's what's interesting right now.
00:07:58.000And I think that's what Charlie was so good at he was so good at uniting people and getting people on the same page and be like, hey, maybe we disagree here, but we're still behind the same team.
00:08:06.000I feel like right now you're seeing that, hey, I don't agree with this one thing.
00:08:13.000I think also it's just a terrible understanding of politics in general because it's always going to be two steps forward, one step back in some sense.
00:08:25.000I guess as far as like a Christian perspective goes, I mean, I'm a Catholic, but.
00:08:29.000We have a lot of Christians that are kind of lukewarm in their faith, but there's like this conflict that's going on between those who are like, it's the Holy Land, we need to protect them.
00:08:38.000And then, well, why are we going to war in the first place?
00:08:41.000But if you're living in America and you want to protect the liberty that we live and base this country on, then as a Christian, you need to know how this Western civilization built America and that it was founded on those rights.
00:08:54.000So it's interesting because there's Christians that are also against each other as far as Republicans go, but lukewarm versus non-look.
00:09:25.000Regarding the religious aspect of it, at the University of Miami, I know there is a revival per se in Christianity, but that's not the case at my campus.
00:09:38.000And something that is lacking is the education and conveying to students actually why we need to protect America from Iran getting nuclear weapons.
00:09:51.000I think we really need to prioritize the education aspect of it because students at what I have been experiencing at my campus don't want violence.
00:09:59.000They just don't want the bombings to happen overall.
00:10:03.000And they think the Republicans or conservatives, rather, want this to happen.
00:10:09.000To bomb innocent people, or I know there's casualties, um, but they think that we're just out to get them because they're Islamic.
00:10:20.000Um, I think it's important to recognize that though America is welcoming of all religions, it was built on Christian foundations and Islam, the religion itself, not Muslims,
00:10:32.000the Islamic religion itself cannot really assimilate well with American ideals.
00:10:39.000And so, if you know, they're saying, let's kill President Trump.
00:10:43.000This isn't the first time we're hearing that.
00:10:46.000But if you really take a step back and really educate their students who are thinking in this mindset that conservatives just want to take a certain religion out, like wipe them out completely, they would start to understand,
00:11:01.000or in my perfect little world, hopefully understand that we just don't want them to get nuclear weapons and kill America.
00:11:10.000Because if they get nuclear weapons, they will use them.
00:11:52.000They think what he's doing is fantastic.
00:11:54.000And the students, it's ironic because the people or the students who are not Venezuelan, who are not Cuban, are the ones saying, You're out of your mind.
00:12:39.000We're able to kind of turn the other, like not turn the other cheek, but turn away from things that feel icky because we're so privileged in this country.
00:12:46.000Like what you're talking about with the Western civilization, Western world, it is at threat.
00:12:50.000There's this huge threat and it's these two major civilizations fighting against each other, but we don't feel it.
00:12:55.000Because we live in America and we're so blessed to live here, but with that privilege also comes the responsibility to understand the threats that are happening.
00:13:03.000Like, as far as with the Venezuela thing, like that was an incredibly.
00:13:20.000And it was incredible, but it felt icky from a PR standpoint.
00:13:23.000Do you guys feel there's a difference between.
00:13:27.000Sort of Western hemisphere actions, especially military actions, whether it be a potential Cuba mission, whatever that could entail, and Venezuela versus Iran, which is obviously not in our hemisphere.
00:13:42.000I honestly think most of the problem that you have when talking to people about this is that it's any conflict whatsoever that makes somebody scratch their head for any type of violence.
00:13:50.000I think you saw that with ICE as well, where there was some type of violence and people were like pushed back, oh, I can't be a part of it anymore, which is so funny to me because so many people gave.
00:13:59.000Trump's vote based off of how his foreign policy was in his first term.
00:14:02.000So, kind of, I think that's what's going on in the conservative space right now you don't have like one voice and you have a lot of people.
00:14:20.000And so then when one person does maybe one thing they don't agree with, they're all in or all out.
00:14:24.000And it's that type of situation, which I just think it's funny because so many people trusted Trump with how great he was in foreign policy in his first term.
00:14:31.000Versus now, one thing or two things happen here and they're all out.
00:14:34.000But I think also along with that, it's just interesting because I don't think it's like a left versus right, too.
00:14:43.000I think the right is so scattered as well in this issue.
00:14:46.000No, I mean, there is no more divisive issue on the right than foreign policy.
00:15:52.000And so they don't take the time to educate themselves on the Christian values that really drive part of the mission to defend our nation from Iran achieving that nuclear war.
00:16:03.000Okay, but you just said defend America from Iran.
00:16:24.000But they have a more direct geographical interest in ensuring that Iran does not have a nuclear weapon or ballistic missiles that could strike Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, for example.
00:16:34.000But should that interest extend to the United States?
00:16:38.000Meaning, what's the education that you would like more people to understand of why that's in America's best interest to get involved in that conflict?
00:17:10.000I don't know that they have the capability of launching a strike on the United States, but they certainly could on Europe or they could on Israel, right?
00:17:29.000It's less about mine, but yeah, Charlie believed this.
00:17:32.000I believe this that Islam, taken in the macro, is not compatible with Western values, right?
00:17:38.000You can meet really, really sweet and nice Muslims on the micro, but as a whole and as a collective, it is a conquering religious ideology and political ideology.
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00:20:39.000I'm thinking just even on, so we're talking about making the case.
00:20:42.000I think you and I, even before the strikes happened, we talked about.
00:20:46.000It seems that we're building up in Iran and they might strike it and they're not laying the groundwork of why is this happening?
00:20:53.000And so, what I would ask we talk about how could they sell it, but for those of you who do interact with people who are perhaps Trump voters who feel betrayed, feel misled, feel angry about this,
00:21:06.000is there a case that could be made that would win them over?
00:21:09.000Failing that, would they be won over if the conflict ended?
00:21:12.000Or do you feel the damage is more enduring in some capacity?
00:21:17.000I think it may have been a little better, at least for a unity standpoint, if there was no boots on the ground in the initial.
00:21:26.000Which there, well, there still haven't been in Iran, at least.
00:21:31.000Well, about what would win someone over, that's a personal thing.
00:21:35.000Like, I can't speak to what, I speak to a lot of people who feel, as you would say, misled or betrayed by the promises Trump made in his campaign.
00:21:42.000And to a certain extent, in an individual sense, I understand how they feel that way.
00:21:45.000But what would win them over, it's individualized.
00:21:48.000As far as like, If the conflict ended, would they be won over?
00:22:24.000I understand what people do, but America First, I guess, for a lot of people, a lot of people that I talk to, has kind of been translated to kind of a cut and dry if this inconveniences America even in the slightest, then we can't do it.
00:22:38.000Or if this isn't a linear progress for America, then we can't do it.
00:22:42.000Or if prices go up slightly, then we can't do it.
00:22:44.000And that's just not what America First, in my opinion, or in I think how Trump described it, is about.
00:22:55.000It's less about winning someone over on a specific issue and more about kind of how you said an education of how these things actually work.
00:23:01.000And it can't be, hey, I don't want to fight anymore, Andrew.
00:23:06.000And Trump, to his credit, has been critical of Iran since you can go back to the 1980s.
00:23:11.000He's got clips where he's pretty upset about the way that that foreign policy had been pursued.
00:23:17.000And then, you know, within the last decade, maybe even two, he's talked about how Iran should not have a nuclear weapon.
00:23:22.000So I do think there is a truth to the fact that people, Became convinced of an image of Trump that wasn't actually real or reflected in his campaign.
00:23:31.000But nevertheless, they voted for that impression.
00:23:36.000And they specifically, I think with Iran, it got even more controversial because there was an impression, rightly or wrongly, and I believe wrongly, that we did that war or we started this conflict with Iran at the behest of Israel, Bibi Netanyahu,
00:23:53.000And so while Trump has been consistent on it and he wanted to take care of this problem, there is a perception, a perceived reality that Trump did this for Israel, right?
00:25:08.000I mean, like we said, there have been roadblocks along the way there, but I think honestly, kind of.
00:25:14.000Touching on what our last point was, I think we live in a soft generation.
00:25:17.000Our generation hasn't really seen a war, you know?
00:25:21.000We haven't fought in a huge war as far as, like, I mean, my brothers and sisters in Christ, they haven't gone and had boots on the grounds in other countries because of my age.
00:25:31.000And I think a lot of people are blind to the fact, like, how was Western civilization built?
00:25:35.000You see a lot of Gen Z pop culture people saying, oh, we're built, America's on stolen land.
00:26:42.000And I don't think that definition of peace, peace is in like actual agreement and kindness that will last between two individuals or two nations or two families or whatever you want to say.
00:26:52.000I don't think that concept of peace, which is what I consider to be the definition of peace, is possible with Iran.
00:26:58.000Not because there's a specific issue that we can't agree on, but because it's an ideological, civilizational difference, and they're diametrically opposed.
00:27:07.000And especially in the terms of religion, we're diametrically opposed.
00:27:11.000So I don't think peace, as we're talking about it, is a possibility.
00:27:14.000What you're describing, I think, is possible.
00:27:33.000I think it's kind of kicking the rock down.
00:27:35.000So, are you not supportive of that type of deal, that type of framework?
00:27:40.000I'm supportive of us working toward that type of framework.
00:27:42.000But I think in reality, if we look at it in the context of history and human nature and religious tendencies and just everything that's kind of right in front of us, I don't think that's a long term solution.
00:27:52.000But then you mentioned regime change, and we've seen the last time America helped out
00:27:58.000that world with a regime change, and it didn't go.
00:28:01.000You know, Charlie Kirk touched on that a lot.
00:28:10.000If you did have a regime change, we don't really know what the next domino to fall would be, right?
00:28:17.000Because you could have sectarian strife, civil war, you could have a mass diaspora of Iranians all throughout the region, the world.
00:28:24.000Every regime change we've pursued has had dramatic effects, and they were not the effects predicted before we launched it.
00:28:31.000I want to pose potentially a challenging question here, which is some people say the Iran thing has gone on long enough, we should unilaterally disengage.
00:28:41.000We blew up enough stuff that they're not going to get a nuclear weapon soon.
00:29:05.000If the choice, if let's say Iran walks away from the table completely, says we're just blockading the strait, deal with it, would you prefer?
00:29:13.000Unilateral disengagement or as boots on the ground?
00:29:18.000I think it's a difficult question, but I, for one, have faith that we can negotiate a peace deal because I think people know not to mess around with Trump.
00:29:26.000I think that's been proven through both terms at this point.
00:29:28.000But also, I think what happens is people don't necessarily see the timeline.
00:29:32.000They see short term action and they don't see the end immediately.
00:29:35.000So they're just like, oh, we got to pull out, we got to be done.
00:29:38.000Where I think Trump and all these different scenarios, you see short term action to prevent long term problems.
00:29:45.000And I think that's what you kind of have to trust a little bit, especially if you are somebody who trusted Trump with your vote, that people know not to mess around with him.
00:29:52.000And so I believe that if anybody could figure out a peace deal with Iran, it would be Trump because people know not to mess around with him.
00:29:59.000I mean, I don't trust Iran, but I trust Trump and I trust his administration to put America first, as they have said, and do all that they can to achieve a peace deal.
00:30:37.000I was, I think, broadly less supportive of striking Iran.
00:30:41.000As we often say, you can determine when you want to start a war, but you can't necessarily determine when you want to end a war, right?
00:30:47.000That being said, I acknowledge a couple truths that a lot of the isolationists, I'm not a strict isolationist, I'm a mostly isolationist, but I believe the world is a very dark place if America's power is not projected in the world in international affairs.
00:31:02.000We are the most morally upright nation.
00:31:05.000We have the most power and have used it less than anybody, any other nation throughout history.
00:31:10.000And so our presence and our willingness to piece through strength, I think, is a really important dynamic that other bad actors need to acknowledge before doing bad things.
00:31:20.000That being said, I trusted that the president probably had intel.
00:31:34.000So, I give him a lot of leeway, and I'm very supportive of JD Vance pursuing peace, some framework of peace, because I think ultimately we have problems that we need to address here at home.
00:31:47.000But I think, is there anything on the international stage, right?
00:31:51.000We've talked a lot about Iran now, and I want to get back to domestic affairs, but I just wanted to address that because it's in the news first.
00:31:57.000But is there anything internationally that we haven't talked about that you think is a larger concern, that's something that you are concerned about or that you're hearing from your peers?
00:34:47.000I mean, you have Times Square filled with, you know, Muslims call to prayer and the entire square is filled with them.
00:34:56.000I mean, it sounds like a, you can say it sounds shrill, but it's Birmingham, second largest city in Britain.
00:35:03.000It's not merely that a lot of Muslims live there, it's that now their elections are won by independent Islamist candidates.
00:35:11.000There are explicitly Islamist political parties that are getting seats in European parliaments.
00:35:17.000We're having a Senate candidate in Michigan who might win, who Will have offered condolences because the Ayatollah died and that was traumatic to people, but he's also attacking his primary opponent for voting for, I believe, a resolution honoring Charlie when he died.
00:35:32.000And this sneaks up on you over time because people aren't good at tracking demographic change and how quickly 2% can go to 4%, can go to 20%, and what effect that has.
00:38:15.000People from all kinds of countries coming through the southern border and some through the northern border when Joe Biden was president.
00:38:21.000And I think we've dealt with most of that.
00:38:23.000So there are some illegals, but the vast majority of immigration from Muslim countries into the United States has been straight up through legal immigration.
00:38:30.000Are you guys aware, for example, that we have 1.2 million green cards?
00:38:34.000Those are legal green cards issued every year.
00:39:09.000I've had three Uber rides since I've been in DC for this event three, and all three were Muslim drivers, and two of the three got just diversity visa.
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00:40:27.000Well, you were talking about what should we do?
00:40:29.000Should we put them on a boat and send around?
00:40:31.000I don't necessarily think that, but like, there's a word assimilation.
00:40:36.000And I think that's very, very important.
00:40:38.000Now, when we talk about that, we've grown up in a nation where Christian values are the foundation of our nation, right?
00:40:45.000And we understand that because we've grown up that you have secular people here, you have atheists, you have Jewish people here, all of these things.
00:40:51.000But we understand that we've grown up in these values.
00:40:55.000These are the morals that we've grown up in.
00:40:56.000And what happens when that stops being the foundation that we have, when that stops being the majority value?
00:42:22.000And they reminded me of that every day that they were alive.
00:42:25.000While my grandfather was on his deathbed back in 2020, he was so proud to be able to send in a mail in ballot for President Trump.
00:42:33.000And in the end, that was almost one of his only reasons for wanting to live was to be able to re elect Trump and leave this place with some hope when he unites with Christ in heaven.
00:42:49.000They were proud to be Americans and they reminded me every day how proud I should be to be an American.
00:42:54.000And they weren't fleeing some communist country, they were fleeing Italy.
00:43:01.000And they came here and told me how much better America was and how much opportunity that they had here that they didn't have over there.
00:43:09.000So, you know, seeing how they integrated into our culture and assimilated and became citizens, learned English, were proud to be Americans, I think that that's a unique example.
00:43:22.000We've had, America had a long tradition of successful assimilation.
00:43:27.000A lot, if you look at the story though, the Anglo Americans, right, the English Anglos that were the predominant group here originally, they didn't want the 1880 to 1920s immigration waves.
00:43:39.000They were very concerned about that because you were taking in a lot of Eastern Europeans, Southern Europeans.
00:43:45.000It was, it was a, it stressed out the country a lot, actually.
00:43:47.000And then we had the Great Depression, World War II that brought a lot of people together.
00:43:51.000And we should also note that we say assimilation, and it is that.
00:43:55.000Your grandparents became dramatically more American, but it is also the case that America became a little bit more Italian as a result.
00:44:03.000And, like, even here, we can still tell you're an Italian guy from New York.
00:44:07.000We don't go, Oh, I thought you were this Englishman, because there still is those visible differences exist, even if someone is very assimilated.
00:44:18.000And there is difference, there's distance between cultures.
00:44:20.000And this is, I think, another point that you guys are kind of approximately making.
00:44:25.000It's one thing to assimilate an Italian Catholic.
00:44:28.000Into a Christian Protestant nation, it's a whole other thing to then, but you know, they're both Christians.
00:44:35.000It's another thing entirely to bring a Somalian that has grown up in a failed state government that's mostly corruption and, you know, there's really no infrastructure involved, right?
00:44:48.000And so when you see the Somalian, you know, fraud schemes in Minneapolis, you shouldn't be surprised because that's actually the culture that they're bringing into the country.
00:44:57.000And this is what I don't understand is that these people are fleeing their countries of origin.
00:45:02.000In search of a better life, just to come here and try to replicate what failed over there.
00:45:07.000I can't for the life of me understand why they would do that.
00:45:10.000You come to the United States for a better life, treat it as such.
00:45:15.000You have the right to pursue life, liberty, and happiness here.
00:45:25.000What you're asking about, Andrew, you keep asking for the solution.
00:45:28.000You're getting into a lot of really hot button issues, and I'm not scared of a hot button issue, but.
00:45:32.000There is, you know, there's a humanitarian issue that you have to work with.
00:45:36.000Like when you ask about what the solution to an economic issue is, I'm asking, I'm asking what I'm really getting at is it is a very challenging topic.
00:45:44.000So we have the Islamification of the West.
00:45:46.000That's the topic, which is also an immigration question, which is also an assimilation and domestic question because they're already here.
00:45:56.000Right now, I would say the issue is more on the manageable side, but it's becoming in New York and Michigan and places, it's starting to become much more front and center.
00:46:06.000So if The question is, you guys are young people, Gen Z, you're in college.
00:46:12.000Do you have a stomach for the types of solutions that it would require to actually fix it?
00:46:42.000Along with that, I mean, like if we just go back to American history, look at the founding fathers, John Adams said our Constitution was written for a moral and religious nation.
00:46:51.000How many people would consider America a moral and religious nation?
00:46:56.000And I think that's an important thing.
00:46:57.000And so you can obviously have religious freedom in America, and that's a beautiful thing.
00:47:02.000However, if your religious freedom ends up not morally aligning with the Constitution and America, Then I think that's a valid question to ask.
00:47:11.000Well, do you guys understand that in the founding generation, they had professions of faith in order to serve, right?
00:47:21.000If you had a Muslim profession of faith, I don't think you would have had a snowball's chance in hell to get in and serve in the government of your state.
00:47:29.000So, their idea of religious freedom is much different than our modern concept of it.
00:47:34.000Their idea was well, you can be Anglican, you can be Quaker, you can be a Christian of different denominational background and variety.
00:47:41.000Protestant, even of denominational background.
00:48:00.000But also, part of it is a lot of it is happening subliminally to where, unless you have like a pulse for what's happening, a lot of it you just feel it kind of generally.
00:48:09.000People will describe I have a lot of friends who don't consider themselves political, I have a lot of friends who consider themselves opposite to where I am, but there is a general sense in our generation of we're not really united.
00:48:21.000What you were talking about with identity, um, one of the things that kind of showed us what it kind of looked like, um, back in your heads, is the day with the dinosaurs for um, what it looks like to be a little bit more united.
00:48:31.000You know, uh, the Knicks game that was happening, like, that was crazy.
00:48:33.000It was like, America, this is awesome.
00:48:34.000And we had a taste of, like, oh, this is what it feels like to be hoorah.
00:48:53.000But a lot of it has to do with the kind of stuff that I was talking about at the beginning of this conversation, stuff that leaves a sour taste in your mouth because of the connotation, but not because it's morally a bad idea.
00:49:02.000Establishment of what it means to be an American.
00:49:45.000You know, and I fully 100% support ICE because one, the safety of you see statistics of people, there's just a UMass soccer star who passed away from like a Uzbekistan, wherever made up country, he got hit by a car.
00:50:00.000We found Star Wars countries, but yeah.
00:51:20.000And I think Minneapolis was just as far as a public perception.
00:51:25.000I mean, I have a lot of very aggressive thoughts about what happened in Minneapolis because they were basically like, we call them kamikaze Karens.
00:51:33.000They were just like going in there trying to cause a problem.
00:51:36.000And then, you know, they played stupid games and won stupid prizes.
00:51:40.000That being said, I can't deny that from a PR standpoint, it was a bad moment for ICE, right?
00:51:45.000It turned a lot of people like, what are we doing?
00:55:40.000If you come here for a better life and you assimilate into our culture, And genuinely appreciate America for the opportunity it's giving you, then I don't have an issue with you being here.
00:55:51.000I also think it's funny because in her proposition, where if you're more tactical about it, I also think if you were more tactical, you would have less.
00:55:59.000I actually, I've thought this same thing before.
00:56:01.000I'm like, so you're telling me that if all the things our government can't do very well, that we are completely just great at bringing in 1.2.
00:56:11.000They're vetting 1.2 million people every year, like really, like checking all their social media, making sure they didn't say death to America.
00:56:50.000In one of the epic's defining moments, Odysseus rejects the offer of immortality from the goddess Calypso, choosing instead the long and difficult journey home.
00:56:59.000His decision reveals one of the central themes of the Odyssey, that a life of duty, family, and home is greater than a life devoted to comfort or glory.
00:59:13.000I'm Going to go out looking because I've failed at that for sure.
00:59:16.000It's funny she put it that way because the second I said that to myself is when I found my beautiful girlfriend who I'm very grateful to have met.
00:59:25.000It's like finding a diamond in the rough in a needle in a terrible.
00:59:35.000I think an issue that we're seeing a lot of it, you keep mentioning education and I agree with you.
00:59:41.000I think the way that we have grown up, we've heard these words like dating to marry and like courting and all the things, and whether or not you're Christian, there's a lot of, you would call it like dating intentionally or dating with purpose.
00:59:52.000And we're saying these words, and I don't think it's necessarily, you said there's faults on both genders.
01:00:03.000I think we're all very confused, and I think we all have not gotten proper guidance.
01:00:08.000A lot of that has to do with the gender ideology insanity that started, it's been going on for a long time, but really picked up in 2013.
01:00:16.000We, in this generation, we've grown up with the idea that we don't know who men are, we don't know who women are.
01:00:21.000So, it's less like we're all just unsavable, vapid creatures who can't find husbands and wives.
01:00:27.000I think it's more like we're all really confused and scared, and men can't ask a woman out without being me too'd, and women can't do anything without.
01:00:35.000I have a question for the men on that topic, and then I'll help Blake correct the sexes and genders thing.
01:00:49.000So, men, do you feel concerned, nervous, scared?
01:00:55.000Fearful that you might be me too, as she said, when you ask a woman out or when you try and, you know, with them or approach them in some way.
01:01:04.000I've been through it already, so it doesn't scare me.
01:01:20.000It could mean anything, but essentially, if you approach a woman, are you worried that you could be accused of being a toxically masculine?
01:01:28.000Aggressive male, she has dog hair, maybe.
01:01:30.000I ain't approaching one of those, so we're good.
01:01:34.000I think the bigger picture is if we're saying both sides acknowledge it's very difficult, what are the substantive drivers of that difficulty?
01:01:42.000So, yeah, I think social media is really bad too.
01:01:48.000Social media is well, I said hookup culture and in colleges, especially.
01:01:52.000I mean, it uh, I mean, even that where I go to school, it's that's like what happens.
01:01:57.000Like, people you get their freshman year, and it's like, oh, the hookup culture, people passing on from.
01:02:02.000Those that you look up to, either on a sports team or in your sorority or frat, it's like normalized in a way.
01:02:09.000And if you don't go to Liberty University, I'm sure, where it's more like Christian based, you're dating intentionally, that's very detrimental to just like these people don't want families, at least that I've run into.
01:02:21.000And I've had to come out of relationships with people who don't want a family.
01:02:25.000Or maybe they're under the impression that this is the time to have fun and I'll do the family thing later.
01:02:32.000Say, I do go to a small Christian university, and you would be shocked about how much of a bad dating culture and hookup culture you can have.
01:04:11.000Men are so scared that she'll just say no because of cancel culture, because of social media, and because it's this big deal to be rejected now, which that's okay.
01:04:20.000Like, there's a reason that the term is the worst that she can say is no.
01:04:24.000Like, if you go up and approach a woman who's, you know, a woman of God and she has everything you like, you ask her out and she says no, like, oh, I'm interested in this or I'm not looking for a relationship, great.
01:04:32.000You gained experience, you were confident, and you made a good choice and it just didn't work out.
01:04:37.000If you think in life every single situation is going to work out that you try to go for, you're not probably going to get very For it to be honest, you're closer to finding your person exactly, and you learn, and also you learn how to deal with that and realize that not every single time it's your problem,
01:04:51.000but also if it is something that you did, learn from that and become a better human being through that, right?
01:04:57.000You said you think one of the main drivers for men not being confident asking women out because girls would you say that that's a problem?
01:05:06.000Guys don't ask, they're not being leaders in that way, they're not being okay, so that's a frustration.
01:05:46.000I mean, men have been probably scared of rejection from, you know, time immemorial here, but you're thinking right now because of social media or because, okay.
01:05:54.000So, because if you say, if you get rejected, then it's going to be on social media, everybody's going to be talking about it.
01:06:11.000I would say, probably for all three, I would almost guarantee you've had an encounter like that where it wasn't face to face and it was all over the phone.
01:06:19.000I think that's because you have a screen to hide behind, and men are so scared of just putting themselves out there and having a face to face human conversation, which is, I mean, I heard you're scared, though, because of the rejection.
01:06:29.000And I think it's because people are soft.
01:06:35.000I usually, when I'm talking about that with my friends, I usually attribute that to them being scared that I described as getting me to, but the woman is going to post that and say that she made her feel uncomfortable and scared of almost the more legal ramifications.
01:06:48.000Is it more the embarrassment and rejection aspect of it?
01:06:51.000Well, I think in our generation specifically, gossip is a huge issue, especially on college campuses.
01:06:57.000And they have to say social media now.
01:06:59.000Social media, through friend groups and whatnot.
01:07:01.000Like, for example, I asked this girl out.
01:07:03.000She says no, I guarantee you within hours and maybe minutes, every single girl that she's close to knows back home, family all knows about the situation.
01:07:13.000And I think that's the hard part about it if I ask a girl out and she says no, why is that such a bad thing?
01:07:20.000And why do you have to demean the other person so much from that?
01:07:22.000You should feel honored in some sense.
01:07:24.000In some sense, you should be able to be like, oh, have a little bit of respect that the man was able to put himself out there and be willing to be rejected.
01:07:30.000That's part of the risk, you have to be willing to be rejected.
01:07:34.000Yeah, and people can say anything about anybody, and it doesn't necessarily have to be true for your name to be defamed and for people to change their view about you, especially with social media.
01:07:43.000It's not like I'm telling the six of you.
01:08:10.000Noah, do you agree with what they're saying or do you have a different perspective?
01:08:13.000I would say, well, I'm glad you asked me because I'm more of the kind of buck that would go out and be like, hey, would you go on a date with me?
01:08:22.000I think there's a lot of athletes on my team that are, oh, I've seen some guys that are very open for going up to a woman.
01:08:27.000And especially, I mean, are you looking in the right spot?
01:08:31.000And like the difficulty finding, I think, is more challenging for me, finding someone.
01:08:35.000That I want, you know, and I think I was watching a video of Charlie two summers ago, and it was the best advice I've ever had dating.
01:08:42.000And it's obviously on your phone, which kind of sucks, but he was like, You got to date someone that has the same ideals as you.
01:08:49.000And I remember that video vividly because I'm like, Oh, shoot, like, it's probably why I haven't had a girlfriend.
01:08:55.000And I've had relationships with people, but it's like it never got to that point because I'm like, Oh, like, she believes this.
01:09:03.000She doesn't really like going to church.
01:11:42.000Actually, I want to add something you said because you said you know a lot of guys, and obviously we play on the baseball team, so obviously they're most respectable men.
01:12:18.000Their Mets announcer was talking about his bloodline being extinguished because his children have a terrible day.
01:12:23.000Which is funny because you brought up like chivalry, and then you said like a lot of your teammates are either, yeah, I have some guys who like just do the social media route, but then I have some guys who are really aggressive and they're not afraid of anything.
01:12:33.000I think there's a, you got to be in the middle somewhere, right?
01:12:36.000There's a way to be courageous and bold, but also respectable.
01:12:40.000And that's what, Attracts a woman of God, I think.
01:12:42.000You can't go up to someone at the bar and be right off, and also being like, Is that boldness?
01:12:47.000It's going to be something I'm going to want to be with.
01:12:52.000And anything that can be used for good could also be turned and used for evil at the same time, where you can have this good boldness and good passion, but you can get off on the wrong foot.
01:13:01.000But I have a really important follow up question.
01:13:04.000Well, I just thought it was interesting that you said the guys don't know what to do.
01:13:08.000And I feel like this actually might be speaking to an even bigger crisis, which is, I think.
01:13:13.000Nobody knows what to do about anything, which is dating careers.
01:13:18.000It's, I've often heard the phrase from people, oh, they'll eventually figure it out.
01:13:24.000And you hear it from older people where figuring it out was in a much narrower band of options for what to do.
01:13:30.000There was much more explicit guidance.
01:13:33.000And that certainly applies to dating as an example, where I think if someone was getting married in 1950, there was a big superstructure of what it actually was socially expected for you to do.
01:13:44.000There was a narrower range and everyone knew what these things were.
01:13:47.000So, The unwritten rules were actually known.
01:13:50.000Whereas today, it's not merely that people don't know what they are, they often are in total conflict with each other.
01:13:55.000I ran into this myself where you're in a culture and, like, at a church, for example, and what actually does the woman consider an unwritten rule for how a man is supposed to behave?
01:14:11.000And I think Charlie spoke to that because Charlie, for example, presented such an explicit vision for how men should behave, as an example.
01:14:22.000You guys might agree with this of someone like even Andrew Tate, is that someone who stands up and says, This is what you should do on all these different things is going to create appeal because they offer so much structure.
01:14:32.000Because the picture is lacking so much structure.
01:16:17.000I mean, and it's totally mean girl, men, it's the mean girl culture.
01:16:23.000Oh, yeah, I've never experienced that, it's only gotten worse.
01:16:26.000Yeah, so so they're just brutal, basically.
01:16:29.000Well, I think also a lot of people have you know an RBF or whatever, they are really hard to go up to, men and women, you know, than RBF, but I think you know, honestly.
01:17:12.000We're really just in a culture that's against men right now.
01:17:15.000So there's a lot of mini issues, but a lot of it comes down to how we view men and how they really can't do anything right a lot of ways.
01:17:21.000And a lot of women that I talk to my age, most of my friends who are women aren't Christian and aren't really looking to get married right now.
01:17:31.000So I have a good pulse of how they're talking about men, how they treat men.
01:17:49.000And women kind of take advantage of that a lot.1.00
01:17:52.000I think a lot of it has to do with social media, you know, over normalization of things.
01:17:55.000But it doesn't really register, like, this guy really had to go out of his way to be okay with embarrassing himself and understand that more than likely she'll probably say no.
01:18:04.000Another thing that I see in women a lot is, like, if you do go that step, ask a girl out, send that message, whatever, is you're not only dating the girl, you're also dating all of her friends at the same time.
01:18:20.000Here's the other thing, though, is women as a culture, men as a culture are being told one thing.
01:18:23.000Women as a culture, and I'm not talking about Christian culture, and I'm definitely not talking about the culture that Charlie Kirk cultivated.
01:18:54.000I think the idea that children are a blessing has completely evaporated.
01:18:58.000So, in the same way that I don't blame men for being scared to reach out because of how culture's painting them, I don't blame women for being scared to lock themselves down because of how culture's painting them.
01:19:07.000Can I ask the women a question on the table?
01:19:10.000Where do you think a man should meet a woman?0.85
01:19:16.000And then, I mean, excluding church, because I think some guys are like, I mean, for me, at least, I'm focused on Jesus when I'm at church or maybe a church group.
01:20:18.000All of my non-critical, because when you're a woman in the church, in a good church, I'm talking about the ideal situation, you're being told, you know, you're God's daughter, and there's a certain joy and a standard that you get from that expectation that you have.
01:20:32.000When you don't grow up in that sphere, in a sphere that says women should be protected, you just have this really, really, really negative thing.
01:20:39.000Like women, I actually said this to Charlie on the panel that I was with him.
01:20:44.000He was talking about why hookup culture is such a big thing.0.90
01:20:46.000And the thing that I mentioned was women have sex to receive love.1.00
01:22:10.000And by the way, Charlie said if he ever got into politics, Like directly in an elected sense, that was going to be his number one mission, right?
01:22:17.000To restore the American family, yeah, uh, because it's that central and critical to everything, right?1.00
01:22:22.000Um, uh, feminism, you brought up feminism.1.00
01:22:26.000Do you think conservative women are also sort of infected with some aspects of feminism and maybe don't even realize it?1.00
01:24:01.000Yeah, especially you guys are all in college.
01:24:03.000Like, what are you supposed to be doing?
01:24:05.000Do you feel that way that uh, even the conservative women and again, it's split too.
01:24:09.000I mean, if you have conservative women who are not Christian and conservative women who are Christian, I think there's a big difference there, okay?
01:24:30.000That's wildly not true, but that's it.
01:24:33.000Kennedy, you mentioned before that, you know, you had never been asked out in person and then you made a comment like, be a man.
01:24:39.000Now, where I'm like, you know, a little concerned is where's the line between being a man and engaging in toxic masculinity, as a lot of people might say.
01:24:51.000Well, I think it's easy to tell when somebody comes up to you whether they're coming up to you in good Faith or not.
01:24:55.000Whether it's a debate, whether it's just a regular conversation, whether it's a man trying to approach you for a date, like it's very easy to tell their intentions.
01:25:05.000It sounds like there's a crisis of confidence with the men, and the women are just really brutal and cruel and mean and have weird expectations.
01:25:14.000But, you know, there are some like, and candidly, I feel like the men need to get a little game too.
01:25:21.000But it's like, if you find a girl you like, why can't you like, You know, if it's a church, like I'm churches do activities like hang out, do something casual to see if she's welcoming you in her general proximity, hang out with her some more,
01:25:37.000and then be like, Hey, we're going to this thing.
01:25:39.000Like, I mean, there's ways to do this more in a casual way where you don't need to, you know,
01:25:46.000slap yourself in the mirror and go, You can do this.
01:25:48.000And then, like, Will you go out with me?
01:25:50.000You know, like, I just, it feels like, you know, there's a whole bunch of different things going on here that I find really, really fascinating.
01:25:58.000But, um, You said people don't know what they're doing anymore.
01:26:04.000There's like a lack of basic expectations.
01:26:07.000A lot of what you're talking about, it has to come down to moderation.
01:26:10.000Like, I know on one hand, I'm saying women don't have high enough standards, and on the other, I'm saying they have too high standards.
01:26:43.000There's this, if you go too far into the like courting and dating to marry, there's this really aggressive, like, hey man, we just talked for three weeks and it didn't work out.
01:26:54.000And then on the other hand, there's you talk for five seconds and then you have a one night stand and then you never talk to each other again.1.00
01:26:58.000And it's there's just a lot of it between the genders.
01:27:01.000And just as a generation, we're so, you know, not moderated.
01:27:04.000And I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said everything in moderation, but that's like we've lost that ideal.
01:27:11.000I love that you brought up a Charlie clip earlier because Charlie also said, If you're serious about someone, go on a sizable road trip with them, which I think is hilarious because there's so many little things in that.
01:27:20.000First of all, I think on the woman's side, do you think most women would either make the man start every conversation or they would lead every conversation?
01:27:29.000If they expect the man to start every single conversation, that's ridiculous.
01:27:33.000I think most people you could group into one of those two a lot of time.
01:27:37.000I think that, yes, let men start every conversation.
01:27:40.000I think either you have two contrasting elements, and I know you got, I saw you not, you have two contrasting elements.
01:27:45.000Is you have the girl either Hyper focused, and they want to almost lead the scene and not let the man even show any of his game, or it's the opposite of that.
01:27:54.000And the man has to use every ounce of energy and do the entire thing, which I think is interesting.0.92
01:27:59.000I think that's where maybe the women's side for the dating pool could get better.0.71
01:28:04.000For the man's side, Kate, throw another hypothetical into the situation.1.00
01:28:25.000Career, college, mission, all that's great.
01:28:27.000But I think it's also like basic stuff.
01:28:29.000And I think our generation specifically misses out on just asking their parents, their mentors, people at their church, basic life questions and just learning.
01:28:38.000Last summer, I worked at my high school and I did maintenance.
01:28:41.000I learned more in one summer of not opening a single book regarding that and skill wise, and I can apply to the rest of my life.
01:31:26.000If you're not thinking about what business you're going to start and what book you're going to write and what government policy you're going to institute and how many people you're going to save, before you're even thinking about being a mom, you're a failure to the feminist cause.1.00
01:31:41.000And there's so much shame that happens there.
01:31:43.000And whereas before, like if you look at in the Victorian era, You wouldn't be considered a part of society as a woman until you were married.
01:31:50.000But now there's this major shift where it's like the anti Victorian era, where when you're married, you don't have a place here anymore.
01:31:56.000And when you have a child, you are the scum of the earth to society.
01:32:00.000Like, don't come on our planes, don't come on our buses, don't be in a public area because if the baby cries, then it's your fault.
01:32:05.000Yeah, it's like your life ends once you have kids.
01:32:08.000And it's so funny because everybody who I talk to who has kids says the exact opposite.
01:32:12.000It's like I learned so much about this.
01:32:13.000I have three kids, and I'll tell you, it's the best, most important, most gratifying, wonderful thing in life.
01:32:27.000I mean, what you're saying about financial independence, I don't think there's anything wrong with waiting until after college to get married.
01:32:33.000I think there's a lot of pressure to get married in college, especially at Liberty's Ring by Spring.
01:32:37.000Everybody's married by sophomore year.
01:32:42.000But honestly, like from my perspective, I think it's best, especially for me personally, and you can say if you agree or not, but to graduate college.
01:32:53.000I would want my husband or my boyfriend to do the same thing and then get married.
01:32:57.000Then we're financially stable and we have started our own careers and we have future success lined up, right?
01:33:03.000But also, you know, if something were to happen, because in these days, like you said, I mean, divorce is at much higher rates.
01:33:09.000Something were to happen and I were to get divorced, God forbid, you know, I would have these skills because I had a job.
01:33:15.000I would have these skills where I could go back to work if I was a stay at home mom or I have, you know, my own savings and my own ability to make my own money.
01:33:25.000At the same time, I think that's like culturally, that's the problem with our view as marriage is that you have to have a safety net all the time.
01:33:32.000Like, I think marriage is you're supposed to like date and figure it out.
01:33:49.000And I think like having that safety net all the time, like, yeah, I don't think that's a bad thing to want all those things, but also, If God brought you the right person, would you abandon all that?
01:33:58.000Well, no, I'm saying, like, would you commit to that now before being able to settle for all those safety net situations?
01:34:03.000I think that's a good question to ask yourself.
01:34:04.000Well, and Jacob, I agree with you a lot, but we could talk about no fault divorce and the fact that there has been a hollowing out of the sanctity of marriage, and that even somebody like yourself, and I'm not judging you,
01:34:18.000I'm just saying that is at Liberty University, has to think through safety nets because you're sort of in the back of your head going, oh, this might not work.
01:34:27.000I think that's a huge indictment just on the culture in general.
01:34:32.000Gosh, we have so many more things we could get into, guys, including you talk about jobs, AI, and all the stuff.
01:34:37.000We're going to have to leave a lot on the table because we have run out of time.
01:34:41.000But this was really, really fascinating.