The Charlie Kirk Show - December 12, 2023


Does Anyone Have a Plan?


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Ron DeSantis supporters are warning about what could be happening in the Democratic primary in 2020. We take a step back and ask the question: are we ready for what's coming next? This is a very thoughtful episode.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's on the Charlie Kirk show.
00:00:02.000 We start with a tweet from DeSantis sympathizers that are warning about what could be happening in 2024.
00:00:09.000 Some of it's exaggerated.
00:00:10.000 Some of it is really smart.
00:00:12.000 We take a step back and ask the question: are we ready for what's coming next?
00:00:18.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:20.000 This is a very thoughtful episode.
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00:01:40.000 I was sent this tweet on Sunday night by James Lindsay.
00:01:44.000 James Lindsay is amazing, Dr. James Lindsay.
00:01:46.000 He'll be at America Fest, by the way.
00:01:48.000 James is a great friend.
00:01:49.000 We've done a lot of things together.
00:01:50.000 I really, really appreciate him.
00:01:52.000 And he says, hey, Charlie, take a look at this tweet.
00:01:54.000 Seems like there's some exaggeration here, but have you thought deeply about the contents here?
00:02:00.000 And anytime James Lindsay sends me anything, I take it seriously.
00:02:02.000 He's a great thinker.
00:02:03.000 He has a PhD in mathematics.
00:02:05.000 He loves liberty.
00:02:07.000 He's terrific.
00:02:08.000 And he had the courage to say he was voting for Donald Trump in 2020 against the woke CRT regime. 0.83
00:02:15.000 So the tweet is this, and this is important.
00:02:17.000 The latest poll showed Donald Trump up 50 or 60 points in the Republican primary.
00:02:22.000 The latest poll shows Donald Trump somewhere near 70% of support of Republican primary voters.
00:02:28.000 There is no Nikki Haley campaign.
00:02:30.000 The DeSantis campaign is imploding.
00:02:32.000 So the DeSantis defenders, and by the way, we love Ron DeSantis.
00:02:37.000 Ron DeSantis is America's greatest governor.
00:02:39.000 I think he has a great political future.
00:02:41.000 He's got to go back to Florida, keep it red, keep on passing solid laws, go back to Tallahassee.
00:02:46.000 This presidential race was not for you.
00:02:48.000 You had bad people around it.
00:02:49.000 You got bad advice.
00:02:51.000 You did not come to our Turning Point Action Conference in July.
00:02:55.000 It was a terrible mistake.
00:02:56.000 I think that was the beginning of the end of your campaign, not just because of that, but that whole season.
00:03:00.000 You decided not to say hello to nearly 6,000, 7,000 grassroots activists in your home state.
00:03:06.000 And that really was a mistake.
00:03:09.000 But Governor DeSantis, you've been a friend for years.
00:03:12.000 Hope you go back to Florida.
00:03:13.000 Rest, reload, unify.
00:03:16.000 Okay, but the DeSantis defenders are bitter.
00:03:18.000 And I get it.
00:03:19.000 I'd be bitter too.
00:03:20.000 I'd be bitter if I was paid a bunch of money by the DeSantis Super PAC and the DeSantis campaign.
00:03:25.000 And I was told that Ron DeSantis was going to beat Trump.
00:03:27.000 And every month you see it just kind of collapse like a slow-motion car wreck.
00:03:33.000 And the DeSantis people, there's about 20 or 30 of them, and they are committed.
00:03:37.000 They are very, very committed.
00:03:41.000 And they have a whole new approach to explaining why Donald Trump is winning the way he is.
00:03:47.000 Okay, so the latest primary poll shows Donald Trump, morning consult.
00:03:51.000 This is a nationwide Republican primary poll.
00:03:53.000 Donald Trump up 54 points.
00:03:55.000 Trump, 67%.
00:03:56.000 DeSantis, 13%.
00:03:59.000 So Donald Trump is up anywhere between 50 to 60 points.
00:04:03.000 In Iowa, it shows he's up 31 points.
00:04:07.000 And in Florida, he's up against DeSantis 60 to 19.
00:04:10.000 So the DeSantis people are starting to realize that this primary campaign, it's not going to materialize the way they thought.
00:04:10.000 Okay.
00:04:17.000 They still say, wait for Iowa, wait for Iowa, wait for Iowa.
00:04:21.000 But the smart DeSantis people are starting to see the writing on the wall.
00:04:24.000 And they're starting to have to try to explain this away.
00:04:28.000 They're trying to have to explain why this is happening.
00:04:31.000 And the way that they're explaining it is interesting.
00:04:34.000 It's a little bit much.
00:04:36.000 It's a little bit rich. 0.77
00:04:37.000 But their kind of community of losers, they actually are stumbling upon something super smart and very important.
00:04:46.000 So this kind of online, and I hold nothing against these people. 0.57
00:04:50.000 I haven't fought with them.
00:04:51.000 Some of them have come after me really nastily.
00:04:54.000 I've been friends with them before.
00:04:55.000 This whole primary has made people lose their minds.
00:04:57.000 I forgive this stuff pretty easily.
00:04:59.000 If you want to unify ahead of the election, so be it.
00:05:02.000 All on board.
00:05:03.000 Let's defeat Biden.
00:05:04.000 Okay.
00:05:05.000 But if you, for those of you that are not on Twitter or X or whatever they call it, the nastiness between MAGA influencers and DeSantis influencers, I mean, it makes Gettysburg look like a picnic.
00:05:17.000 I mean, it's been unbelievable.
00:05:18.000 It's bloodbath.
00:05:20.000 Okay.
00:05:20.000 It has reached a fever pitch, and these people are seeing the writing on the wall.
00:05:24.000 God bless them for that.
00:05:24.000 Okay.
00:05:25.000 But they have an explanation.
00:05:27.000 The DeSantis community have an explanation as to why Trump is winning.
00:05:34.000 And they think it's because it's all a psyop.
00:05:38.000 They think that Donald Trump's success is a project of the intel agencies, effectively.
00:05:45.000 Let me read this tweet.
00:05:46.000 Now, part of this tweet is a launching pad for some extremely smart stuff.
00:05:51.000 Now, in their kind of fever of trying to explain why DeSantis is down 50 points, they stumble into stuff that I don't think those of us that want to win back the White House have gamed out correctly.
00:06:04.000 Okay.
00:06:04.000 So this tweet is from Tara Saravitis.
00:06:08.000 I think she's a DeSantis person based on who she tagged in her tweet.
00:06:12.000 But anyway, she says this.
00:06:13.000 The Democrats are running a PSYOP on GOP voters, and we're walking right into their trap.
00:06:20.000 Bookmark this handy guide to watch it go down in 2024.
00:06:24.000 Now, consolidate Republican voters behind Trump by convincing Republicans with manipulated polls that Trump can easily beat Biden.
00:06:31.000 Ignore or don't promote the internals of these polls that show if Trump is convicted, Biden, as popular as he is, beats Trump by six or 10 points, cheating or no cheating.
00:06:39.000 Okay, yeah, this is obviously written by a DeSantis sympathizer.
00:06:43.000 So let's start there.
00:06:44.000 I think there's some truth to this.
00:06:46.000 Do I think that it's some sort of op of some people sitting in a room?
00:06:50.000 Yeah, probably not.
00:06:51.000 Do I think that there might be a little whisper campaign to make the polls look Trump stronger than he actually is?
00:06:58.000 There might be some truth to that.
00:07:00.000 There is a poll that came out today that shows Trump up 10 points in Michigan.
00:07:04.000 I'm sorry, that's not going to happen, period.
00:07:08.000 Do not fall for that.
00:07:09.000 That is pure, unadulterated hopium.
00:07:13.000 It reminds me of the Kerry Lake polling that came out just weeks before the Arizona election that showed Kerry Lake up massive.
00:07:20.000 I think it was 11 or 12 points. 0.83
00:07:21.000 It was so ridiculous. 0.86
00:07:22.000 We obviously know that was not the end result. 0.92
00:07:25.000 That might have been the sentiment, but that wasn't the result.
00:07:28.000 Remember, they mesmerized us with these polls that a red wave is coming.
00:07:32.000 They hypnotized us, and we ended up probably not working as hard as we could have.
00:07:37.000 So in the tweet, they say, look, these polls are an op to try to make you support Trump.
00:07:42.000 Now, listen, I got to disagree with the DeSantis terra surviatus people.
00:07:47.000 People are not supporting Donald Trump in a primary campaign because of CNN polls, okay?
00:07:52.000 Not a single person in the grassroots, not a single donor to Turning Point Action or Turning Point USA that supported Donald Trump this last weekend that I was with.
00:08:01.000 Said, you know what?
00:08:02.000 I really support Donald Trump because CNN says that Donald Trump is up 10 points on Biden.
00:08:08.000 No, no one is looking at CNN for the reason of that.
00:08:11.000 But she does make a good point, Tara Serivitis, that these polls very well might be used as a nudge to try and get us in a passive instead of an active posture.
00:08:24.000 Now, are the polls really being manipulated to make Trump look that stronger?
00:08:27.000 It would be a massive operation.
00:08:30.000 I'm open to it, but it is probably true that even accurate polls overstate how strong Trump will be in 11 months.
00:08:36.000 Okay, Tara continues in this tweet.
00:08:38.000 December, January, the mainstream media runs a relentless media campaign to ensure Nikki Haley, a Uniparty member who's essentially a Democrat, I agree, is maneuvered into second position in the Republican primary as an insurance policy, back here with tens of millions of Democrat dollars to ensure this happens.
00:08:55.000 Okay, so calculated or not, this is clearly happening.
00:08:59.000 The DeSantis people are onto something here.
00:09:01.000 This is actually where Trump might be encouraging this outcome because he really likes beating up on DeSantis more than anyone else.
00:09:07.000 And he's caused the base to hate DeSantis.
00:09:09.000 But actually, DeSantis is a million times better than Nikki Haley, guys.
00:09:14.000 Let's just be clear.
00:09:14.000 DeSantis is an actual conservative.
00:09:17.000 This is not his time, but DeSantis is a million times better than Nikki Haley.
00:09:21.000 Do not fall for the Nikki Haley up, okay?
00:09:24.000 If something, God forbid, were to happen for Trump, whatever it might be, Ron DeSantis would be infinitesimally better than Nimerata, Uniparty, open borders, invade the world, invite the world, green cards for everybody, Nikki Haley.
00:09:38.000 Now, this tweet leaves out the very real chance that Trump might be pushed into picking Nikki Haley as vice president.
00:09:44.000 This is why I love this tweet here and where the DeSantis people are going because it's kind of, it's a buffet line of all these different wrinkles that I don't think we've addressed.
00:09:53.000 I want to get everyone's attention here.
00:09:55.000 You guys are amazing.
00:09:56.000 We have to send a clear and convincing message.
00:09:59.000 I know this might sound crazy.
00:10:00.000 We have to make sure that Trump is not manipulated by people around him into picking Nima Rada Haley as vice president.
00:10:09.000 This is something I heard from some donors over the weekend.
00:10:13.000 It is something. 0.73
00:10:13.000 They said, well, we would win all these women and look how great of a ticket. 0.73
00:10:17.000 Do not fall for that, everybody.
00:10:19.000 We have to preempt that harsh, like very aggressively.
00:10:23.000 Christy Noam would be fine.
00:10:26.000 Nikki Haley, no way. 1.00
00:10:29.000 That is D-O-A, dot and a rival. 1.00
00:10:31.000 So we're going to keep on going in a second here on this.
00:10:34.000 This is how the DeSantis people are explaining it.
00:10:36.000 They think this whole thing is a trap, that we are walking into a trap by nominating Trump.
00:10:42.000 Now, whether or not that, I don't think that's true, but there are some serious threats that I don't think we have isolated and articulated when we still have time to address them.
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00:12:06.000 In March, this is where we really, this is where this tweet starts to get important.
00:12:12.000 Start the first major Trump trial after Super Tuesday.
00:12:16.000 Well, actually, the Jack Smith DC trial begins the day before Super Tuesday.
00:12:20.000 What is the date of Super Tuesday, Blake?
00:12:21.000 Can you send that in, please?
00:12:22.000 Let's just take a pause here, and this is where we're going to be dedicating a lot of time next week.
00:12:26.000 A lot of time, March 5th is Super Tuesday.
00:12:29.000 So, we are about 75 days out from Donald Trump in a federal trial in the midst of an election.
00:12:39.000 This is pure tyranny.
00:12:42.000 I had somebody recently ask me, Well, Charlie, what's the evidence that communism and totalitarianism has come to the country?
00:12:48.000 Never in American history has a former president someone who is, by the way, the one downside of the polls for the regime is the polls show that Donald Trump is beating Biden.
00:12:59.000 Again, I don't necessarily believe the margin, and then you're going to try to lock him up in federal prison.
00:13:04.000 The very government that Trump is trying to challenge is then trying to put him in a jail cell.
00:13:10.000 We do not live in a free country, everybody, at all.
00:13:13.000 Now, the DeSantis people are saying, Well, it's an op that they're indicting him and doing this to try to strengthen his Republican primary support.
00:13:22.000 And then, when the time comes, they're going to drop the boom.
00:13:25.000 Now, this is important.
00:13:25.000 We got to think about this.
00:13:27.000 Nominating contests will have been held to cement Trump as the nominee, and now we're trapped.
00:13:32.000 Tara Saravitis says May and June.
00:13:36.000 Now, lower the boom, convict Trump for the first time ahead of the Republican nominating convention in July, knowing a vicious floor fight will break out.
00:13:45.000 The internals of Democrat polls have been telling us for months that the Republican Party will fracture if Trump is convicted, with 50% wanting Trump to stay on the ballot despite conviction, and 50% wanting to dump him.
00:13:57.000 Okay, I think this largely overstates things.
00:13:59.000 However, however, because at the convention, look, it's going to be mostly MAGA diehards.
00:14:04.000 I'm not worried about it.
00:14:05.000 But there is some truth that if we are surprised or shocked or without a plan, when 12 DC jurors come back with a guilty verdict of Donald Trump, if we are caught flat-footed, if we do not have a war room and messaging and moves and countermoves, then we are not serious enough to be in the business of politics.
00:14:30.000 If we do not have a game plan, I am pulling the fire alarm, and this is right ahead of America Fest, and I'm going to be pulling smart people aside.
00:14:37.000 I mean, pulling Glenn Beck and Bannon and Jack Posobic, and we got to figure this out.
00:14:41.000 There is no plan.
00:14:43.000 This is not a TV show.
00:14:44.000 This is real life.
00:14:45.000 And Tara, to her credit, this tweet is provocative enough where it gets your attention.
00:14:51.000 It like rings the bell when Dr. James Lindsay sent this to me.
00:14:54.000 And one of the suggestions I have is you have to give the American people the expectation that you will be convicted.
00:15:03.000 This is something the Trump team probably doesn't want to do, but Trump basically has to come out and say, I'm basically already convicted because it's a rigged jury.
00:15:12.000 I'm going to do my best to fight it, but these people want me in a prison cell.
00:15:16.000 You can not allow that, because here's what they're going to do.
00:15:20.000 They're going to try to reset the entire race as soon as Donald Trump is a quote-unquote convicted felon.
00:15:29.000 Now, there is a wrinkle here of the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:15:32.000 The timing is a major issue.
00:15:34.000 By the way, we're not even talking about Fulton County.
00:15:36.000 Fulton County, I think, starts in January or February.
00:15:39.000 All this timing is also, we got the documents case, you got the January 6th one, and Tara doesn't even talk about this.
00:15:44.000 And the DeSantis people aren't even talking about it.
00:15:46.000 But there needs to be it, and this is why we're going to be spending so much time on this this next week.
00:15:50.000 I feel this has been completely, this has been a very obvious sequence of events that has not been mapped out.
00:16:01.000 So I just, I have a serious question.
00:16:05.000 If and when Donald Trump is a convicted felon, how are Republican primary voters going to figure that out?
00:16:11.000 Is this the sort of thing that we need a game plan in a long weekend?
00:16:14.000 We get lawyers in.
00:16:16.000 What is your legal plan?
00:16:17.000 What is your PR plan?
00:16:18.000 What is the messaging plan?
00:16:19.000 What is the grassroots plan?
00:16:21.000 And then we need to get ahead of it because this is the uncomfortable truth, everybody.
00:16:28.000 And we're going to keep reading this because it gets even richer and juicier that by Memorial Day, Donald Trump is going to be a convicted felon running for the presidency.
00:16:43.000 There's almost no escaping that.
00:16:44.000 You do not live in a free country.
00:16:47.000 They have a rigged jury in a rigged setting with that maniac Jack Smith.
00:16:51.000 So we have one of two choices.
00:16:52.000 Well, we don't nominate Trump.
00:16:54.000 That's not going to happen.
00:16:54.000 We're going to nominate him and we should as a F you and a middle finger of the fact they're doing this to him.
00:16:59.000 Okay, so we know that.
00:17:00.000 Are we just going to act like, oh, it doesn't exist?
00:17:02.000 It doesn't matter.
00:17:02.000 No, it actually really does matter.
00:17:04.000 And some people are going to be worried about it.
00:17:06.000 So what are we going to do?
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00:18:04.000 Okay, I want to continue here, and we're getting tons of emails.
00:18:08.000 I love hearing from you, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:18:10.000 Some of you say, Charlie, don't fall for the trap.
00:18:13.000 What do you mean?
00:18:13.000 Well, hold on.
00:18:14.000 Some people are saying, Charlie, don't fall for the trap.
00:18:16.000 You know, if you don't talk about the indictments, they won't matter.
00:18:18.000 I couldn't disagree more.
00:18:20.000 Just understand.
00:18:20.000 The very well might be that Trump is not allowed to campaign in August, that he might be on house arrest.
00:18:26.000 Have we thought that through?
00:18:27.000 Now, other people, just to be clear, they're saying, you know, Charlie, isn't this a reason not to nominate Trump?
00:18:35.000 No, no, no.
00:18:36.000 It's the opposite.
00:18:37.000 As Tucker Carlson beautifully said, he said, the moment that you indict the opposition leader, I'm all in.
00:18:46.000 And I agree with Tucker 100% out of principle. 0.99
00:18:51.000 You do not have a civilization if the government and the power, the incumbent power source, can throw the opposition leader, who just happens to also be a former president in prison over stupid stuff, made-up stuff. 0.99
00:19:06.000 You no longer have civilization. 0.98
00:19:08.000 You no longer have a free society.
00:19:10.000 It's never happened in American history.
00:19:11.000 And the fact that the elites are putting up with this and they're kind of turning a blind eye, out of principle, you must go all in on Trump, out of principle.
00:19:20.000 And then there's obviously other things that he was a great president.
00:19:22.000 He brings out a lot of different voters, all that stuff.
00:19:25.000 But the whole argument begins and ends with me, which is you can't do that.
00:19:30.000 That's not America.
00:19:31.000 You can't.
00:19:32.000 I don't care if you don't like him, beat him at the ballot box.
00:19:35.000 The whole Jack Smith, Fannie Willis, Elvin Bragg thing is so reprehensible.
00:19:41.000 It's so repulsive.
00:19:42.000 Now, according to Tara, she says it's a trap.
00:19:46.000 I think it's a little bit, this is basically bitter sore losing on behalf of Tara, is what this is.
00:19:53.000 She continues by saying, the Republican voters, the Republicans and their voters are torn right down the middle.
00:19:59.000 Enraged Trump supporters now vowing not to support any replacement, even if Trump is in prison on election day, and the other half of the party voters panicking about not replacing Trump on the ballot and desperately seeking another alternative.
00:20:11.000 Now, it is clear why Democrats spent millions on Nikki Haley and weren't targeted at Trump.
00:20:17.000 The Democrats preferred choice for nominee, but at eliminating DeSantis and putting Haley in the number two position.
00:20:23.000 Now, this does leave out the debate over whether Trump is literally disqualified.
00:20:27.000 This could be rushed to the Supreme Court next summer.
00:20:30.000 So he will probably be convicted by Memorial Day.
00:20:33.000 That needs to be stated publicly, and you guys need to be ready for that.
00:20:36.000 We need to be braced for impact.
00:20:38.000 We need to not be taken by surprise.
00:20:40.000 Currently, I do not hear anybody talking like this.
00:20:43.000 And if you have, let me know.
00:20:44.000 Have you heard a major show say, hey, guys, get ready, get ready.
00:20:52.000 By June 1st, our nominee is going to be a convicted felon.
00:20:56.000 Now, that doesn't mean anything for me.
00:20:58.000 That makes me like him more, the fact the regime is going to throw that after him.
00:21:03.000 So what's the plan?
00:21:04.000 Well, we'll get to that.
00:21:04.000 There is no plan.
00:21:06.000 Now, Tara goes a step further.
00:21:08.000 Now, for the final step, Democrats replace Biden as their nominee with a much more popular Democrat who is unveiled to a great mainstream media acclaim at their August convention.
00:21:18.000 Now, this is not a new theory, but it gets interesting.
00:21:20.000 And I don't know if this is the plan, which is you crater Trump, you indict him, you mess up Republican unity.
00:21:29.000 At the very least, you create fractions, right?
00:21:32.000 You get some of these Republican donors to get on TV and say, we now need Nikki.
00:21:37.000 This is why I gave money for Nikki.
00:21:39.000 And then the Democrats see that we are totally a mess.
00:21:44.000 And the Democrats then replace Joe Biden at their convention or after their convention.
00:21:51.000 If Biden is replaced, the press will go insanely positive for the replacement, whoever that is.
00:21:58.000 That's just how they are.
00:21:59.000 And there will be a sigh of relief from David Ignatius at the Washington Post and David Axelrod, who have been quietly and at times loudly and publicly pushing for Joe Biden to drop out of the race.
00:22:12.000 All the soft support and never Trumpers will make their final stand this summer.
00:22:18.000 This summer, under normal circumstances, is a time for unity to bring the tribes together to unite behind the nominee.
00:22:27.000 They're going to use the convictions as a call for Republican civil war.
00:22:34.000 They're going to say, quote, we can't defend a convicted criminal.
00:22:37.000 They're going to redo the primary outside of voters after the conviction and make us act as if we're super surprised by it.
00:22:47.000 This is one of the reasons why the media is downplaying some of this lawfare right now.
00:22:52.000 You don't see like Trump timeline.
00:22:54.000 You're going to see a couple pieces, but they're almost keeping it in the shadows.
00:22:59.000 They overemphasize the mugshot, overemphasized this, and now it's just kind of a behind the scenes thing.
00:23:06.000 If you ask a normal Republican primary voter, hey, do you think Trump will be convicted, a felon, by election day?
00:23:15.000 I would say most would say no.
00:23:17.000 They haven't really thought through that.
00:23:19.000 And Trump needs to start to lean into this.
00:23:21.000 He's got to play offense with this.
00:23:22.000 I know this is something he doesn't want to do because I think he thinks he can win at trial.
00:23:26.000 He's completely innocent.
00:23:28.000 This is fake stuff.
00:23:30.000 This is Soviet show trial, Arthur Kessler, darkness at noon, guilty and superman innocent. 0.96
00:23:36.000 It's sick.
00:23:39.000 The never Trumpers, the soft moderates, the Russell Moores, the Lincoln Project, all of these people will then create another massive psychological warfare campaign in June if and when he becomes a convicted felon.
00:23:55.000 And then the base is going to say, wait a second, we're going to support Trump no matter what, which we should.
00:23:59.000 And the convention coming in July will not be a nominating convention.
00:24:02.000 I'm not that worried about a floor fight.
00:24:03.000 The delegates are going to hold strong for Trump, but it will be a PR fight.
00:24:08.000 And instead, here's what all the coverage will be.
00:24:11.000 They say, instead of, you know, reporting live from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this looming over this entire convention is convicted felon Donald Trump, who plans to receive the Republican nomination tonight.
00:24:27.000 He also stands to have nine more counts and he faces 100 years in prison.
00:24:31.000 That might not move you, but it will spook white college-educated suburban voters.
00:24:39.000 I'm telling you, it will.
00:24:41.000 So we got to figure that out.
00:24:42.000 White college-educated suburban voters don't want to vote for someone that might be considered a little damaged.
00:24:53.000 They like to feel good about their vote.
00:24:55.000 They want someone clean and presidential.
00:24:59.000 They care about the dignity of the office.
00:25:03.000 It's embarrassing for them to have to tell their friends, to have to say, you know, yeah, I voted for the convicted felon.
00:25:09.000 And it's not as if there hasn't been a deluge of other reasons for them to be told not to support Trump.
00:25:17.000 Oh, that he tweets mean things and all this stuff.
00:25:20.000 And da, So then, what is the plan?
00:25:23.000 Here's what I recommend.
00:25:24.000 And again, I am open to recommendations, but what I think is a mistake, and there's some emails like this that I'm getting.
00:25:31.000 For those of you that say, Charlie's, you're overthinking it.
00:25:34.000 We just have to bulldoze through.
00:25:35.000 Honestly, guys, enough of that.
00:25:37.000 Okay? 0.50
00:25:38.000 That's silly.
00:25:40.000 I understand the instinct.
00:25:42.000 We have to start to game this out, everybody.
00:25:47.000 And I think I'm in a unique position to game this out because I'm 100% on Team Trump.
00:25:52.000 And I'm also deathly afraid that we're going to be having ambush campaign after ambush campaign and calls for resignation and potential floor fights and all this sort of stuff.
00:26:04.000 Okay.
00:26:06.000 Number one, Donald Trump has to choose a vice presidential candidate who can unite the base, who can calm the anxieties of upper middle class white college educated voters, win over new voters, win over young voters, and do better with women.
00:26:23.000 There is only one person, and it is Tucker Carlson, period.
00:26:26.000 I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
00:26:28.000 I don't care if Tucker doesn't want it.
00:26:30.000 Tucker's the last WASP, white Anglo-Saxon Protestant. 0.94
00:26:32.000 He believes in duty.
00:26:34.000 He believes in, if he was told to do it, he would do it because Tucker is an honorable person who would look at it as like being drafted into war.
00:26:43.000 It's a code of ethics that Tucker has.
00:26:43.000 Okay?
00:26:46.000 And I think the world of Tucker, I'm honored to call him a friend.
00:26:49.000 He is without a doubt one of the most honest and transparent and sweet and kind and compassionate people I've ever had a chance to deal with, both in public life and private life.
00:27:01.000 And if Tucker was asked by a former president to do it, he might not want to do it, but he would look at it as a chance to fulfill his duty to the country.
00:27:12.000 So I don't want to hear this.
00:27:12.000 Okay?
00:27:13.000 Oh, Charlie, he doesn't want to do it, whatever.
00:27:15.000 But the core values that animate Tucker Carlson is: yes, sir, I will do it for the country.
00:27:20.000 Okay.
00:27:21.000 And in addition to that, Tucker could hold a rally.
00:27:26.000 I could say this.
00:27:27.000 We have Tucker coming this Saturday, amfest.com.
00:27:30.000 I know how Tucker can get people into a stadium.
00:27:34.000 I know.
00:27:35.000 If anyone knows, I know.
00:27:37.000 The moment you announce Tucker, boom, tickets go up.
00:27:41.000 Packed house.
00:27:42.000 People want to meet him.
00:27:43.000 All different backgrounds, black, Hispanic, and all that.
00:27:46.000 Tucker does not overshadow Trump.
00:27:48.000 He compliments him.
00:27:49.000 Tucker's the only man who can get even 80% of Trump's rally energy.
00:27:52.000 This is not a normal vice presidential selection.
00:27:55.000 This is not, oh, well, you know, we need Tim Scott because he can win over black voters.
00:28:00.000 I've said it before, I'll say it again.
00:28:01.000 Tucker Carlson would win over more black voters than Tim Scott.
00:28:04.000 I said it before, and I'll say it again.
00:28:06.000 Tucker would win more blacks than Tim Scott.
00:28:08.000 It's just the way it is.
00:28:10.000 Tucker is the one who makes Trumpism feel like a movement that will outlive Trump.
00:28:16.000 And it also, the media, I think, almost hates Tucker more than they hate Trump, almost.
00:28:23.000 And so they're going to have to then bifurcate their attacks.
00:28:26.000 It democratizes the movement where then you have all of a sudden this new life and and and Tucker is of a different generation.
00:28:39.000 Tucker is the revenge of Gen X, which is Elon, which is Ackman, which is Rowan, which is all these guys that aren't boomers that want a voice in government. 0.84
00:28:50.000 And that Gen X can and will decide the 2024 election.
00:28:56.000 They've been overshadowed by boomers their entire life, and they're angry and they're mad. 1.00
00:29:00.000 And Tucker knows how to communicate to them.
00:29:02.000 Okay, there's a lot more about this, everybody, but we have to just say, pause, time out.
00:29:06.000 What are we heading into in 2024?
00:29:10.000 If we think about it, moves and counter moves, we can survive and win.
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00:30:22.000 So it continues by saying this: In polling, Democrat candidates surge when the polls begin to show the House and the Senate tilting the Democrats by big margins.
00:30:30.000 Or the GOP succeeded in removing Trump as the nominee, enraging half the party's voters who now refuse to coalesce around the new Republican nominee.
00:30:37.000 Some even refuse to vote at all or to write Trump's name in instead.
00:30:40.000 The Republican Party is fractured either way, no longer voting as a block independence bolt towards Democrats.
00:30:46.000 So the question is: if Trump is convicted, which is almost a certainty, will his support erode?
00:30:52.000 Well, Reuters has this poll.
00:30:54.000 About half of Republicans could spurn Trump if he's convicted.
00:30:58.000 About half of Republicans would not vote for Donald Trump if he were convicted of a felony, a sign of severe risks his legal problems pose for his 2024 presidential bid.
00:31:06.000 He has separately been charged in two other criminal cases, one in a New York state court, which revolves around a hush money payment.
00:31:13.000 Okay, whatever.
00:31:14.000 Asked if they would vote for Trump if he were currently serving prison time.
00:31:17.000 52% of Republicans said they would not, compared to 28% who said they would.
00:31:23.000 Have we properly prepped our base and properly prepped our audience if Donald Trump is on house arrest this September?
00:31:33.000 All the traditional rules are out the window.
00:31:35.000 People say, oh, they wouldn't do that to a candidate.
00:31:37.000 No, they will do it for a candidate.
00:31:39.000 They will.
00:31:41.000 Are you prepared to say, what is the plan?
00:31:44.000 What is the strategy?
00:31:45.000 And I have some ideas.
00:31:46.000 In September or October for when Donald Trump is in leg irons at Mar-a-Ligo, can't campaign.
00:31:54.000 They're not just ready to interfere with the election.
00:31:56.000 They are ready to dominate the election.
00:31:58.000 They are not going to allow this movement uninterrupted to continue to gain steam, to gain prominence, to gain momentum.
00:32:07.000 So we have to have a specific type of strategy.
00:32:12.000 And again, the response for Tucker as vice president is overwhelming.
00:32:15.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com, but it's even beyond that.
00:32:19.000 It's legal.
00:32:20.000 It's messaging.
00:32:21.000 It's how to counter this.
00:32:24.000 And I have several separate recommendations on this, but I still am afraid and worried that we are looking at this as a traditional campaign.
00:32:35.000 2020, we fell for the trick.
00:32:38.000 Going into the year 2020, oh, it's going to end up normalizing.
00:32:42.000 And mass mail and ballots and ballot chasing and all that stuff ended up heavily and significantly impacting the 2020 election.
00:32:53.000 They're still going to have a lot of that because Republicans haven't reformed our voting laws.
00:32:58.000 And so then what?
00:33:00.000 Well, this one is lawfare.
00:33:02.000 Have we gamed this out, move one, move two on the chessboard of what the regime has cooking?
00:33:13.000 They want who if they pull Biden in August, they'll try to reset the entire campaign.
00:33:21.000 People will breathe a sigh of relief.
00:33:23.000 Oh, finally, we have this fresh face and fresh name.
00:33:26.000 Are they trying to ride out Joe Biden so that we can't run negative ads against whoever that candidate is?
00:33:33.000 It takes a lot of time, at least 90 days, for negative type messaging to penetrate and to stick.
00:33:41.000 At least 90 days.
00:33:44.000 So if they do it in August, if they do it in August and they pull Biden, and meanwhile, we're going to have an intentional sabotage campaign within the Republican Party.
00:34:01.000 So a couple action items.
00:34:02.000 We're going to game this out next week. 0.82
00:34:04.000 Need a very strong vice presidential candidate.
00:34:07.000 We need to prep our base as if he's already a convicted felon because that's where they're going.
00:34:12.000 We need to start to message independents and use this to our advantage.
00:34:16.000 We need to ensure somehow that Donald Trump can continue to keep campaigning through some sort of legal strategy, sentencing delays and not having gag orders interfere with it.
00:34:27.000 Finally, we need to try to be prepared for a Democrat bait and switch in August where they remove Joe Biden and put another candidate in at the last minute, have their insane machinery boosting the narrative and the messaging.
00:34:41.000 Meanwhile, our candidate's in house arrest.
00:34:43.000 In 2020, we were caught flat-footed, and I was called a conspiracy theorist because I thought these mail-in ballots might impact stuff.
00:34:50.000 For those of you in the audience that might say, oh, I don't like thinking about this stuff.
00:34:53.000 Let's just kind of, somebody said, oh, Charlie's anointed, Trump is anointed by God.
00:34:57.000 Stop overthinking it.
00:34:59.000 I think that's a mistake.
00:35:00.000 This is obvious.
00:35:01.000 There's obviously a planet at foot here, and we need to be prepared for it, anticipate it, counter it, and overcome it, and use the enemy's momentum and energy and inertia against them.
00:35:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:18.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:21.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:35:22.000 God bless.
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