The Charlie Kirk Show - July 27, 2026


DSA's Destruction Plan + The 2028 Horserace Explained


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00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.
00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
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00:01:17.000 Welcome, everybody, to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:20.000 It is July 27th, 2026.
00:01:23.000 Honored to be with you all.
00:01:25.000 Blake is on assignment today, so I'm going to be holding it down solo.
00:01:29.000 Excited to be with everybody at the YRefi Studios Remote Edition, of course.
00:01:33.000 And Blake does not get to steal my mic flag today, which I'm very excited about.
00:01:38.000 Nevertheless, he'll be back, I believe, on Wednesday.
00:01:40.000 So today and tomorrow, it'll just be me.
00:01:42.000 We have a great show in store for you.
00:01:44.000 We've got Mark Halperin on at 12 30 Eastern.
00:01:47.000 We're going to be talking about the primary schedule for the Democrats, what it reveals.
00:01:52.000 We're going to be talking about JD Vance and the proxy war that seems to be emerging around his potential candidacy in 2028.
00:01:59.000 Then we've got Jay Feely, who is running for Congress, and he just won his primary out of CD1 in Arizona.
00:02:08.000 He's a great, great candidate.
00:02:09.000 Excited to get behind him all the way.
00:02:11.000 And then we've got Rich Barris, pollster extraordinaire, to finish us out at 1 30.
00:02:16.000 Some headwinds we got to deal with and see what we can do to fix them ahead of November.
00:02:23.000 So that's a big start.
00:02:24.000 I want to begin the show, however, talking about DSA.
00:02:28.000 There were some revealing clips that came out over the weekend of the people that run the Democrat Socialist of America party platform and what they actually believe.
00:02:38.000 And I want to explain where this is coming from.
00:02:41.000 And there's a clip that we never played on the show from Secretary Marco Rubio that I think is.
00:02:46.000 Just so prescient.
00:02:48.000 It is so important that you really internalize what he's saying in this clip because I think it's fundamentally accurate.
00:02:57.000 Now, Marco, of course, you know, without weighing into the horse race on the Republican side ahead of 2028, Marco is one of the most eloquent communicators when it comes to the issue of socialism and Marxism.
00:03:12.000 Part of that obviously comes from his background, his proximity to Cuba, his own Cuban heritage.
00:03:19.000 And understanding that dynamic extraordinarily well, it's not been something that snuck up on Marco Rubio.
00:03:24.000 He's been thinking deeply about this problem and what he has perceived as the rise of this ideology in the United States for a long time.
00:03:32.000 And therefore, he is a great tip of the spear when it comes to countering it.
00:03:37.000 So, this was a speech that Secretary Rubio gave on July 15th.
00:03:42.000 Again, we didn't play the clip then.
00:03:44.000 It bears repeating, though, that this is one of the most eloquent defenses of the capitalist system, of the American way.
00:03:53.000 And against Marxism and socialism.
00:03:55.000 So let's play the clip, SOP 14.
00:03:57.000 This is a distinctive and unique evil.
00:04:00.000 It has always been driven by a hatred, above all else, a hatred for civilization itself.
00:04:07.000 It is a revolt of the worst against the best, a revolt of the weak and the cowardly against the strong and the good. 0.51
00:04:15.000 It is perpetrated by those who cannot build, who cannot create, who cannot achieve great things, and take their revenge upon the world for their own inadequacy by seeking to destroy those who can.
00:04:29.000 This is what radical leftism is.
00:04:32.000 It may wear various different slogans and ideologies across place and time, but the fundamental character is always the same.
00:04:39.000 It's always the same.
00:04:40.000 It is a poisonous resentment cloaked in the language of equality and justice and liberation, an overwhelming need to tear down what greater men have built.
00:04:51.000 A poisonous resentment.
00:04:53.000 And that's exactly right.
00:04:55.000 And it is a flattening of everything.
00:04:57.000 He goes on in this speech to say that it makes everything low and gray.
00:05:03.000 You lose every exceptional characteristic of the human soul.
00:05:07.000 And ultimately, that is what has made America so powerful, so amazing, so exceptional, so rich, so innovative, so pioneering.
00:05:19.000 And the DSA, this rise that you're seeing, now that we hear that over a majority of Democrats have a favorable view of socialism in this country, we must address it.
00:05:30.000 And this was just from this weekend.
00:05:33.000 DSA co chair Megan Romer confirms that their party platform includes a host of terrifying planks.
00:05:42.000 It is a terrifying potential reality that we must take seriously.
00:05:47.000 SOT 7.
00:05:47.000 So, we're going to put up on the screen a few of the things that are part of your platform.
00:05:51.000 And I want to ask you just give me sort of a true or false on these.
00:05:54.000 Abolish the Senate.
00:05:57.000 True.
00:05:58.000 Okay.
00:05:58.000 Replace the presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them.
00:06:03.000 Yep.
00:06:04.000 Abolish ICE.
00:06:06.000 Absolutely.
00:06:07.000 Abolish borders and give amnesty to anyone currently in the U.S. illegally.
00:06:13.000 As a long term plan, yep.
00:06:15.000 Defund the Pentagon.
00:06:18.000 Absolutely.
00:06:19.000 Abolish prisons, at least in large part.
00:06:23.000 Yeah, again, as part of a long term program, yeah.
00:06:26.000 Okay, so no prisons.
00:06:27.000 Government or public ownership of most large corporations.
00:06:33.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.96
00:06:34.000 They want to abolish prisons, defund the Pentagon, abolish ICE. 0.99
00:06:40.000 Destroy the Senate.
00:06:42.000 Their vision for America, their idea of what to do with it, is simply to destroy it.
00:06:48.000 Whatever ideology that is undergirding their entire policy platform is exactly what Secretary Rubio articulated just moments ago.
00:07:00.000 It is poisonous resentment, massed as virtuous.
00:07:06.000 It is a terrifying potentiality for this country.
00:07:09.000 And it's not just her.
00:07:10.000 She's not just some. 0.89
00:07:12.000 Exception to the rule.
00:07:13.000 No, she is articulating what they believe.
00:07:17.000 I have proof.
00:07:18.000 There's another DSA co chair, Ashik Sadiq, quite the name, that basically says, yeah, this is exactly what we believe.
00:07:27.000 She's not the outlier here, what you just heard.
00:07:29.000 This is mainstream within the DSA, which is now becoming mainstream within the Democrat Party.
00:07:35.000 Sop 5.
00:07:36.000 We just don't see the point of the Senate.
00:07:38.000 Historically, it was meant to serve very wealthy people who owned a lot of land.
00:07:43.000 And That's still a system that we have today, and it's something we would change.
00:07:49.000 We would expand what the House of Representatives does and make it more actually representative of people who live in this country.
00:07:58.000 So, would you like to abolish the Senate?
00:08:01.000 That's part of our platform.
00:08:02.000 And we don't think that's extreme.
00:08:04.000 We think it's a change that would help make this country more democratic.
00:08:09.000 So, the extremists are taking over the Democrat Party.
00:08:15.000 What do you plan to do if you defund the Pentagon?
00:08:21.000 How are you going to protect yourself in a world full of terrorists and people that wish ill on this country?
00:08:29.000 What are you going to do without prisons?
00:08:31.000 Evil is real.
00:08:33.000 We see this in almost every single blue jurisdiction around the country.
00:08:38.000 They don't believe in cash bail, so they just let everybody out.
00:08:44.000 They maim and murder and rape and pillage and terrorize local communities.
00:08:49.000 You are more likely to be put in harm's way in a blue jurisdiction simply because they refuse to lock people up. 0.66
00:08:54.000 What are they going to do?
00:08:57.000 They believe in a nirvana, they believe in a utopian idea that is terrifying.
00:09:04.000 That people aren't innately full of sin.
00:09:06.000 We as Christians understand that the sin nature leads people to do bad things and that we need to be redeemed and the state needs to step in and protect us at times.
00:09:19.000 Their vision for the future of this country is anarchy.
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00:10:49.000 Socialists winning Democratic primaries, candidates from the far left.
00:10:53.000 And look at this here.
00:10:54.000 Among Democrats, this is that Fox poll, a majority have a favorable view of socialism.
00:10:59.000 Step outside the Democratic Party.
00:11:01.000 It's a totally different world.
00:11:03.000 Look at independence, socialism, deeply unpopular there.
00:11:06.000 So is that a vulnerability for Democrats that would keep them from capitalizing on Trump's obvious weaknesses here?
00:11:13.000 Democratic socialism is now the majority position within the Democrat Party.
00:11:18.000 Okay.
00:11:19.000 The problem that Democrats are going to face is that with independence, only it's like 15 to 20 percent have a favorable view of it.
00:11:28.000 77 percent do not like socialism, they have an unfavorable view of socialism.
00:11:34.000 So that's going to be something that plays into our politics, at least in the short term.
00:11:38.000 Hopefully, that trend continues.
00:11:40.000 Hopefully, independence, which is a growing portion of the population, people don't.
00:11:45.000 Want to be affiliated necessarily with a political party as much as they did in the past.
00:11:49.000 Understandably so.
00:11:50.000 Both parties let us down all the time.
00:11:53.000 So that's going to play into our politics in a major way.
00:11:56.000 Now, this is the offer of socialism.
00:11:59.000 I think Mayor Mamdani presents the flowery language, the promises of free stuff.
00:12:05.000 We call it free stuff populism.
00:12:07.000 It was where this was going to go, inevitably.
00:12:10.000 And Charlie knew this.
00:12:12.000 This is Mayor Mamdani talking about his grocery store idea.
00:12:16.000 Here you go.
00:12:17.000 Sot 19.
00:12:18.000 Here's how it will work once a month, our five city run grocery stores will set prices for this core set of goods at 30% below typical retail prices.
00:12:27.000 No exceptions.
00:12:29.000 No gimmicks.
00:12:30.000 The savings will last for the entire month.
00:12:33.000 All right.
00:12:33.000 So he's going to give you cheaper stuff, government funded stuff.
00:12:37.000 By the way, he's now going to tax New Yorkers if they have a second home that they use as a vacation place.
00:12:46.000 He's bragging about it.
00:12:48.000 So he's going to force all the capital to flee New York, but he's still going to promise all these free goodies based on a depleted income base, a tax base that's getting smaller, not larger, because that's what happens in socialism. 0.93
00:13:02.000 Smart people, productive people, the great people, the people that built this country and that continue to make it thrive and to continue to make it rich, they will flee to red states where they don't have to put up with this garbage.
00:13:14.000 But they don't really talk about that, do they?
00:13:17.000 But again, I go back to Marco Rubio.
00:13:20.000 This is a man who thought long and hard about socialism because of his Cuban background. 1.00
00:13:26.000 And he points out why it sounds good, but why it's really, really bad. 1.00
00:13:30.000 And it will rob you of your freedoms.
00:13:32.000 Sot 16.
00:13:33.000 Democratic socialism sounds benign, but at the core of democratic socialism is Marxism.
00:13:39.000 And at the core of Marxism is this fake offer that if you turn over more of your individual freedom, we're going to provide you security, we're going to provide you free health care, we're going to provide you free education.
00:13:51.000 But the problem is that when they can't deliver on it or when you're not happy with it, you don't get your freedoms back.
00:13:56.000 And by freedoms, I don't just mean elections.
00:13:57.000 I'm talking about the right to choose your own doctor, the right to make health care decisions for yourself, what your kids learn in school, what schools they go to.
00:14:04.000 All that stuff you lose control over and you don't get it back.
00:14:07.000 Just because the security they promised you didn't happen.
00:14:11.000 So that's what we're on the verge of having to decide here in this country.
00:14:14.000 It's a reason why people flee countries that have this stuff.
00:14:17.000 It's a big deal for America.
00:14:18.000 And I hope people start waking up to that reality.
00:14:21.000 That's exactly right.
00:14:22.000 So they promise you free health care, they promise you free schooling, they promise you all of these things.
00:14:28.000 But when they fail to deliver a superior product, you lose that freedom once you give it over to them to have any choice, to have any selection, to be able to determine where your kid goes to school, what they learn.
00:14:41.000 To determine what kind of goods and services you're able to buy, that is ultimately the end point for Marxism.
00:14:49.000 That's why when you go to a grocery store in Cuba or a grocery store in Russia, the options are very limited.
00:14:58.000 And if you don't like it, too bad.
00:14:59.000 You don't get any other options.
00:15:01.000 You don't get it to select something that's superior because it's a flattening, it's a permanent state of gray and lowness.
00:15:10.000 And meanwhile, the tax base is filling into Florida.
00:15:12.000 Mamdani.
00:15:14.000 But here's the kicker, and this is what we need to know.
00:15:16.000 And by the way, AOC, they just did a New Hampshire primary poll.
00:15:20.000 Breaking news.
00:15:21.000 AOC's in first place in New Hampshire.
00:15:26.000 She is a Democrat socialist, and she is leading the presidential primary polling for Democrats in New Hampshire.
00:15:34.000 So this is coming to a community near you very, very soon.
00:15:39.000 And so you need to wake up to how urgent the need is.
00:15:42.000 But Charlie understood this.
00:15:44.000 He understood that we are on a race against the clock as conservatives.
00:15:48.000 Our ideas must prevail and they must be successful soon and very soon, or else more and more young people with the affordability crisis, the housing crisis, not being able to afford to start a family and get married, that problem will cause radical politics to emerge in this country, and it's already doing it.
00:16:09.000 And Charlie knew it.
00:16:10.000 Sot 20.
00:16:11.000 Look, you've got two options.
00:16:12.000 You can go MAGA or Maggioniism. 0.77
00:16:14.000 You can go MAGA or you can go Momdaniism. 0.98
00:16:16.000 You can go MAGA or you can go Mohammedism. 1.00
00:16:18.000 It's very funny. 1.00
00:16:19.000 How all the M's, MAGA is the only option on the right.
00:16:23.000 Neoconservatives are not coming back.
00:16:25.000 The corporate oligarchs, we're not going to let him.
00:16:26.000 So MAGA has cemented the worldview of the American right.
00:16:30.000 But the left, we don't know.
00:16:31.000 It could go Maggioni, which is the most extreme. 0.76
00:16:35.000 You could go Mamdani, which is very, very extreme. 0.99
00:16:38.000 Or you go Mohammedism, which is just Muslim Islamic takeover. 0.98
00:16:44.000 You get reform or you get revolution. 0.87
00:16:46.000 We at MAGA want to reform stuff.
00:16:48.000 Political undercurrent underneath Maggioni.
00:16:52.000 That cannot be ignored, that should not be dismissed.
00:16:56.000 And that political reality is that is on the American left.
00:16:59.000 Very prescient from Charlie.
00:17:02.000 We have two options ahead of us reform or revolution.
00:17:05.000 Let's hope we get it right.
00:17:07.000 All right.
00:17:07.000 Without further ado, we have the great Mark Halperin, editor in chief of Two Way TV and host of Next Up on the Megyn Kelly Network.
00:17:16.000 Mark, welcome back to the show.
00:17:18.000 It's great to have you.
00:17:19.000 And there's no Blake today, you just get me.
00:17:21.000 So I apologize, or you're welcome, depending on how you say things.
00:17:25.000 Mark.
00:17:26.000 There's two things I want to talk about.
00:17:27.000 I want to talk about JD because you went viral for a clip explaining kind of what the dynamic is, okay?
00:17:35.000 And I want to talk about Democrat primaries because it's already heating up ahead of 2028.
00:17:41.000 So let's start there.
00:17:42.000 Let's start with the Democrat primaries.
00:17:44.000 There was a poll that came out of New Hampshire that had AOC leading, and there was an open question Are the Democrats going to start with New Hampshire?
00:17:52.000 Are they going to start with South Carolina?
00:17:54.000 Are they going to start with Nevada?
00:17:56.000 All had different tactical decisions behind them.
00:17:59.000 But it's just a very interesting glance and insight into the inner workings of the Democrat operation, the establishment.
00:18:05.000 I'm going to play a little clip of AOC reacting to being on top of the New Hampshire Democratic primaries.
00:18:11.000 Early days, but it's still noteworthy.
00:18:13.000 Sop four.
00:18:14.000 Second of all, I don't know if you saw, there's a new University of New Hampshire poll showing you leading in the presidential race in New Hampshire.
00:18:21.000 What are your thoughts about that?
00:18:22.000 Polls are polls, and a horse race is a horse race.
00:18:25.000 I am, of course, I think very deeply humbled and grateful.
00:18:32.000 And I am grateful to folks who participate and convey that confidence.
00:18:37.000 And honestly, I think my main focus is really genuinely just the midterms right now.
00:18:46.000 We have to make sure that we win this majority.
00:18:49.000 She did the fake brag, the humble brag very well there.
00:18:54.000 Mark, explain to our audience what the rationale for different states being picked first.
00:19:01.000 And what we can surmise from the fact that South Carolina was indeed picked.
00:19:06.000 Well, there's no way to make a calendar that doesn't favor or disadvantage some potential candidates and others.
00:19:16.000 There's no equal way to do it.
00:19:17.000 And there's no way to do it to pick the perfect calendar to advantage the Democratic Party.
00:19:23.000 What's the Democratic Party's goal?
00:19:24.000 It's to get the strongest nominee who can win a general election, right?
00:19:29.000 So in the olden days, before you were born, The calendar was set.
00:19:33.000 It was Iowa and New Hampshire.
00:19:34.000 And then everything after that moved around, but it didn't really matter because Iowa and New Hampshire were disproportionately influential.
00:19:40.000 The Democratic Party has decided that those two states cannot go first in large part because they're not diverse.
00:19:47.000 And there's something to that.
00:19:49.000 But when you take those two states out of the equation, Iowa completely at New Hampshire going third, you're asking for trouble because you're asking for unpredictability.
00:19:58.000 You're welcoming unpredictability.
00:20:00.000 And you're asking voters who pay far less attention than Iowa and New Hampshire voters do to make your selection.
00:20:07.000 In this case, you could imagine that behind the scenes, a candidate who would like South Carolina to be first.
00:20:14.000 Or more than one were engaged in machinations.
00:20:16.000 I see no sign of that.
00:20:19.000 This is basically made because the Democratic Party wanted a state with a large percentage of the electorate being black voters to go first.
00:20:26.000 And so now the question is who is advantaged by that for prospective candidates?
00:20:34.000 One person's clearly advantaged is Kamala Harris.
00:20:36.000 I don't know that this is good for AOC, honestly.
00:20:38.000 It could be, but it's not clear that it is.
00:20:41.000 Yeah, I tend to see the same thing here, Mark.
00:20:45.000 When they picked South Carolina, I thought it was a huge.
00:20:48.000 Snub at North New Hampshire, right?
00:20:51.000 Where AOC is winning.
00:20:53.000 But you know what's interesting?
00:20:54.000 I think the Democrat Party, we had Evan Barker on last week, Mark, and she was talking about her view inside the Democrat apparatus.
00:21:04.000 She was a fundraiser for them, and she felt like the party in general learned the wrong lesson from the Obama years, that it became, instead of the message of Obama, which was sort of colorblind and we're all one, the Democrat Party took it into this complete I would say race to the bottom with racial grievances, tribalism, identity politics.
00:21:28.000 And it feels like that's continuing on.
00:21:30.000 The whole tribalization of the Democrat Party is who are you going to favor, a white state in New Hampshire, a more Hispanic leading state in Nevada, or a more black leaning state in South Carolina.
00:21:42.000 And that is going to have ramifications down the road.
00:21:45.000 It feels like everything in the Democrat Party has become a question about those racial politics.
00:21:52.000 I don't think that's a winner, Mark, actually, because I think this is going to disadvantage their stronger candidates.
00:21:58.000 But Kamala Harris and AOC, Kamala's polling down at the bottom.
00:22:02.000 I think we have that New Hampshire poll here, if you guys want to throw that up. 0.82
00:22:06.000 It's, let me see which number it is here.
00:22:09.000 Yeah, number three.
00:22:10.000 Okay, so you got AOC, this is New Hampshire.
00:22:12.000 AOC's at the top, Buttigieg, Mark Kelly, Gavin Newsom, Bernie Sanders, and then Kamala in New Hampshire.
00:22:19.000 I haven't seen the polling in South Carolina, but we have to, Guess that this is, I guess, the real question here is Mark, are they rigging it again?
00:22:30.000 Is the Democrat establishment rigging the primary again for their favored candidates?
00:22:37.000 And are you hearing that Kamala has the sort of pool internally to get this type of stuff done? 0.73
00:22:42.000 Is she the preferred candidate of the establishment? 0.98
00:22:44.000 No, she's not at all.
00:22:46.000 And again, I believe this happened not to favor a candidate, but to put their finger on the scale, as you said, for black voters.
00:22:53.000 In today's Democratic Party, It's not just the super woke who say New Hampshire is too white to go first. 0.55
00:23:02.000 It's just too white for the party. 0.88
00:23:04.000 And look, there's something to that. 0.88
00:23:06.000 Not only is it almost entirely white, with the exception of Manchester and Portsmouth, it doesn't really have cities.
00:23:13.000 So ideally, if you're trying to be fair and equitable and produce the strongest possible nominee, you want a state that is representative of the country and representative of the party.
00:23:27.000 You want someone who can win.
00:23:28.000 And show some stuff.
00:23:29.000 Now, if you go first, you don't necessarily have as much influence as if you go third or fourth.
00:23:36.000 Because if you go first, you're not going to narrow it down to one.
00:23:40.000 You're going to narrow it down to anywhere from two to five.
00:23:43.000 Okay.
00:23:44.000 And so South Carolina, by going first, has taken away the role it had, which was basically pick the president, pick or pick the nominee.
00:23:52.000 Now they're going to be in the winnowing business.
00:23:55.000 And so now, even if you're Pete Buttigieg, who's not displayed very much ability to get black vote, you got to try. 0.65
00:24:02.000 So I think everybody's going to go to South Carolina and try.
00:24:05.000 It's also a red state, it's not a purple state or a blue state.
00:24:09.000 Some people say, well, that's not good for the party.
00:24:10.000 Well, I think it is. 1.00
00:24:12.000 Go compete for red voters.
00:24:13.000 Go compete for more conservative voters. 0.84
00:24:17.000 And on paper, it should benefit Kamala Harris, who has the strongest support amongst black voters right now.
00:24:24.000 But let's see.
00:24:26.000 And let's see, of course, even if she runs.
00:24:27.000 So the answer to your first question is, as I said, I don't think this was meant to favor any candidate.
00:24:34.000 It will end up doing that, but I don't think that was the intention.
00:24:37.000 Yeah, I think that's interesting.
00:24:39.000 I think it becomes more interesting, Mark.
00:24:41.000 Because we are looking at a Democrat party that is so divided right now between this rising far left DSA cohort within its ranks, which really has captured so much of the grassroots energy, and the more establishment wing.
00:24:57.000 I looked at the choice of South Carolina that this is a favor, this is them trying to stack the deck in favor of the more moderate wing of the party to give them a leg up as they head into that second, third, fourth primary states.
00:25:12.000 My guess.
00:25:13.000 You really think that you really think the DNC wanted to have a more moderate candidate?
00:25:18.000 Maybe.
00:25:20.000 Pretty liberal group.
00:25:21.000 I mean, I think for electability in a general presidential election, yeah, probably.
00:25:25.000 But they did the same thing because they did the same thing with Hillary and Bernie, and they've done the same thing against Bernie actually twice.
00:25:31.000 So that's the question.
00:25:33.000 They've moved left.
00:25:34.000 They've moved left.
00:25:35.000 But I'll say if you wanted to stack it for a more establishment candidate, I don't know that this would have been the right pick.
00:25:40.000 I think Nevada or Michigan might have been a better first choice.
00:25:43.000 I really think.
00:25:44.000 You don't know what was in the hearts of and the minds of every member of the committee, but I really do think the primary driver here was they wanted a state that was interested, right?
00:25:54.000 Not every state applies.
00:25:56.000 They want to start with a smaller state, a state that's got affordable television advertising rates, a state that geographically you can get across and campaign in, where the playing field's somewhat level.
00:26:08.000 And you want to reward black voters because they're such a big part of the Democratic constituency. 0.64
00:26:14.000 So, You also run a risk if you pick a state that's never gone early before.
00:26:21.000 Because if you go early, there's a lot of pressure.
00:26:25.000 And lastly, and I think this is probably a big reason, it's reportedly a big reason why they chose it over Nevada.
00:26:31.000 You want a state that can count quickly.
00:26:34.000 You can't have the first primary take so long to count the votes that the second primary is already happening, right?
00:26:41.000 And we know from the last two presidential cycles Nevada doesn't count very fast.
00:26:46.000 You got to know.
00:26:47.000 In the case of these rapid fire primaries every week or so, you got to know who won like that night.
00:26:53.000 You can't let it go.
00:26:53.000 They can't let it hang in the other time.
00:26:55.000 Well, that's just, I mean, so you're basically telling me California is never going to get selected because that's part of the reason.
00:27:02.000 But it's also, yes, but it's also too big.
00:27:04.000 Yeah.
00:27:05.000 But it's also too big.
00:27:06.000 I mean, California has become famous for not counting quickly.
00:27:09.000 But think about the last few presidential cycles when we've been waiting for weeks for Nevada to count.
00:27:15.000 Yeah.
00:27:16.000 No, exactly.
00:27:17.000 It's way too long.
00:27:21.000 Good conversation.
00:27:22.000 is about respect.
00:27:24.000 It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard.
00:27:28.000 Charlie knew that.
00:27:28.000 Turning point still knows that, and TikTok has always strived to build the kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection, and we can share what's on our minds and learn from each other.
00:27:40.000 When ideas meet respect, good things happen.
00:27:42.000 On TikTok, you can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know how to name, or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers, viewers who listen, discuss, and then they respond.
00:27:53.000 TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding.
00:27:57.000 You can feel it in the comments, in the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world.
00:28:01.000 TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion and discussion helps us build something real.
00:28:10.000 Mark, you went viral for this clip, so I'm going to play the clip and then we'll go from there.
00:28:16.000 This is, of course, on JD.
00:28:17.000 We had a whole long conversation about this last week.
00:28:20.000 A lot of people clipped up our show as well.
00:28:22.000 It seems like JD is the proxy right now.
00:28:25.000 Sot 2.
00:28:26.000 But what we're seeing now with people lashing out at JD Vance, it is largely the establishment who sees, in some cases, The opportunity to break the Trump grip on the Republican Party, to go back to a Republican Party that they liked before.
00:28:42.000 And JD Vance isn't kowtowing to that.
00:28:45.000 He's not catering to that.
00:28:46.000 What he did on Rogan is that's the real JD Vance, saying things other people won't say.
00:28:52.000 Really fascinating clip there, Mark.
00:28:54.000 And I thought it was so succinct.
00:28:57.000 Explain this dynamic because, you know, back in 2016, we had the Never Trumpers.
00:29:03.000 You know, there was the cover of the National Review.
00:29:06.000 And it felt like basically Trumpism and MAGA won, and there's a resurgence.
00:29:11.000 And it seems like Marco and JD are that proxy battle heading into 2028.
00:29:18.000 What are the dynamics at play, and what are you watching for?
00:29:21.000 Well, you can't paint with too broad a brush, right?
00:29:24.000 Not everybody who doesn't like JD Vance or poses him for the nomination is motivated by a desire to return to the Romney, Bush, McCain Republican Party, but some of them are.
00:29:36.000 Some of them are.
00:29:37.000 Some of them don't like his position on Israel.
00:29:38.000 Some of them don't like him personally.
00:29:40.000 But what's beyond doubt is the level of vitriol for him is quite high. 0.98
00:29:47.000 And some of it, can't quantify how much, but some of it is driven by people who say Trump's a lame duck.
00:29:55.000 We cannot let MAGA continue to control this party.
00:29:58.000 We have to go back, whether it's Israel or tariffs or taxes or whatever it is.
00:30:03.000 We cannot go back to a pre.
00:30:07.000 We have to go back to a pre Trump Republican Party.
00:30:09.000 We cannot let MAGA continue to dominate the party.
00:30:13.000 And it's fascinating because not everybody likes what JD Vance says, including to Joe Rogan.
00:30:21.000 But go back and look at what he said and ask yourself did he say anything that was wrong about Israel?
00:30:28.000 Did he say anything that was wrong about taxes or the economy?
00:30:32.000 They may not agree with him on his position, but in terms of facts, With a few exceptions, he was spot on.
00:30:40.000 And a lot of them privately agree with what he's saying.
00:30:43.000 So, their distaste for MAGA, their distaste for the Trump era, I would ask them, what is it that you don't like?
00:30:51.000 What is it besides Trump himself, besides his style, besides his violation of some norms, what is it that you don't like?
00:30:57.000 And it's going to be fascinating to see JD Vance navigate this because since Rogan, he's largely been out of the limelight because he's just had a kid.
00:31:04.000 So, I'll be curious to see how he speaks about all this stuff when he comes back and starts doing interviews again.
00:31:09.000 Yeah, you know, it was interesting.
00:31:10.000 I did sort of a very unscientific, real world polling, just asking, you know, friends of mine, associates, colleagues about some of the statements about Israel or, you know, Iran, the MOU.
00:31:23.000 Obviously, he was seen out front with the MOU.
00:31:26.000 And what struck me, Mark, is just how popular and mainstream the things that he was saying have really become with a lot of people on the right.
00:31:34.000 Now, when you get on X, it's a battlefield, right?
00:31:37.000 People that represent different constituencies are really vocal, really loud.
00:31:42.000 They're sniping at him.
00:31:43.000 But in general, it was kind of a middle of the line, popular, I guess, sentiment that he was expressing.
00:31:51.000 But then you go on X and you think it's like he said something completely untoward.
00:31:55.000 I actually happen to think that he's.
00:31:58.000 Carving out some really popular populist positions.
00:32:02.000 You know, some people I heard, I think Ben Shapiro said that he, you know, he was seeing socialist economics.
00:32:07.000 I didn't hear that at all.
00:32:09.000 He's talking about common good economics.
00:32:11.000 I think that is popular because there is a felt need, whether it be affordability or the wealth inequality that has, you know, exploded after COVID.
00:32:21.000 I think he's got the winning message in a lot of ways.
00:32:24.000 I'm a big supporter of his, but I understand that people are not.
00:32:27.000 They think he's, These are some of the things I've heard that he's too tied to Tucker.
00:32:31.000 He hasn't disavowed Tucker or something.
00:32:33.000 That they don't think he's got the proper foreign policy position on Israel or that he was too aggressive on the MOU.
00:32:42.000 But if you look, the MOU was popular.
00:32:46.000 He actually got a boost in the polling when he started pushing the MOU. 0.65
00:32:49.000 And a lot of people want to see the MOU get put back in place as we exchange jabs with Iran.
00:32:57.000 But these things tend to be very popular. 0.82
00:32:59.000 I think your point is well made.
00:33:00.000 And I. Experienced that firsthand talking to people over the weekend and at the end of last week.
00:33:07.000 I don't see where the controversy is.
00:33:08.000 Now, one thing I want to say, Mark, because I think this is getting lost in it, I'm not alleging the people that are attacking him on X, for example, are paid to do so.
00:33:15.000 I think they have really legitimate questions and concerns.
00:33:20.000 But my guess is he's going, these are popular positions.
00:33:25.000 Yeah.
00:33:28.000 Many of them are.
00:33:29.000 I think it's, you know, look, any vice president.
00:33:32.000 I've covered several vice presidents who people thought of as potentially running for president.
00:33:36.000 And I'm still not sure he's going to run, by the way.
00:33:39.000 Any vice president gets negative coverage.
00:33:40.000 It's the nature of the beast.
00:33:42.000 You go back and look at how Al Gore was covered or Dan Quayle was covered or Kamala Harris.
00:33:46.000 It's a tough job to do well in because you have to agree with the boss.
00:33:50.000 And as the saying goes, you get all of his enemies and only a few of his friends.
00:33:55.000 At the same time, beyond people who don't want him to be the future of the party, It's difficult as vice president to enunciate what you really think because you got to go with what the boss thinks.
00:34:08.000 So, for instance, I really don't know what JD Vance thinks about the current Trump administration policies on the economy.
00:34:15.000 The policies on Iran get a lot of attention for obvious reasons, but where is he on the economy?
00:34:19.000 I don't really know how he might differ from Donald Trump on the economy.
00:34:23.000 And I think if he does run for president, it'll be both a challenge because he'll have to separate politely from his boss, but also an opportunity to define himself maybe on different terms.
00:34:33.000 And I've no doubt he's a free market capitalist, but But his boss has, you know, people say, well, his economic policies are Democrat.
00:34:41.000 A lot of things Donald Trump has been for, like taking ownership in these companies.
00:34:46.000 That's not traditional Republican economics either.
00:34:48.000 Yeah, Mark, when do you see it?
00:34:50.000 Is it after the midterms that this becomes more fair game?
00:34:54.000 Is that the timing?
00:34:54.000 Yeah.
00:34:55.000 Yeah, I'd say between November and March, we'll know a lot more.
00:34:59.000 Mark Halperin, amazing analysis, as always.
00:35:02.000 Good to see you, man.
00:35:03.000 Good to see you.
00:35:03.000 We'll talk to you soon.
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00:36:06.000 We have a great treat in store for you, and that is, of course, Jay Feely.
00:36:10.000 He is now the official Republican nominee for CD1, trying to send him to Congress.
00:36:17.000 He had a great primary victory last week.
00:36:20.000 We covered it live, of course, with Tyler Boyer, COO of Turning Point Action.
00:36:24.000 Now he joins us.
00:36:26.000 Jay, welcome back to the show and congratulations on a massive, massive primary victory.
00:36:31.000 It was not easy, but you ended up winning by kind of a lot.
00:36:36.000 Give us your reactions of what that moment meant for you and where that leaves us now.
00:36:42.000 Andrea, you know, it was a special day.
00:36:44.000 I'll take you back to that morning.
00:36:45.000 You know, my wife and I got up and we said the prayer that we've said every single day since we announced that we were running, and that's to put on God's full armor protection.
00:36:54.000 We walked through it every morning.
00:36:56.000 And then we had a great piece about it.
00:36:58.000 You know, I didn't know.
00:36:59.000 Which way it was going to go.
00:37:00.000 We knew what the polls were showing.
00:37:02.000 And I knew that we had done all the work that we could do.
00:37:04.000 You know, we did all the events.
00:37:06.000 We knocked on 8,000 doors in July alone.
00:37:09.000 We made 80,000 calls.
00:37:11.000 And our team had been putting in all the work.
00:37:13.000 And, you know, I just had a peace and I just prayed, you know, okay, God, if you want me in this political process, then open the doors.
00:37:20.000 And if you don't, then close the doors.
00:37:21.000 Like I want your will to be done.
00:37:23.000 And because of that, we could have a great peace.
00:37:25.000 You know, Paul talks about that peace that transcends all understanding.
00:37:28.000 That's how my wife and I felt.
00:37:30.000 And You know, I'm excited about this process.
00:37:32.000 You know, I'm kind of reinvigorated because when you're running a primary, you're running against guys that mostly have the same beliefs that you have.
00:37:42.000 And now, you know, in this general, you know, the two parties have never been further apart ideologically.
00:37:47.000 And the Democrat Party has wholeheartedly embraced Democrat socialism.
00:37:51.000 And you can really focus on the issues and you can focus on the differences and where this country is going.
00:37:57.000 You know, one party wants to, you know, embrace this Democrat socialist mentality open borders, open prisons.
00:38:04.000 Getting rid of the Senate, you know, completely undermining and changing the very foundations that this country was founded on.
00:38:11.000 And one party believes in common sense ideas, trying to create equality, trying to create the right economic environment for people to thrive individually and businesses to thrive and to respect individual liberties.
00:38:24.000 You know, and I'm excited to be able to make that distinction.
00:38:27.000 Yeah, I mean, that was really well put, Jay.
00:38:29.000 I mean, we spent a lot of our first hour of the show today talking about the rise of DSA and what their policy planks actually are.
00:38:35.000 It's terrifying.
00:38:37.000 And people don't realize that the Democrat Party apparatus in the state of Arizona is very radical.
00:38:43.000 I mean, it's indistinguishable from Momdani's New York, the ideas that they're espousing, what their vision for the future is.
00:38:49.000 So tell us about your opponent now in the general and what we would get if we don't get Jay Feely over the finish line in CD1 for Arizona.
00:38:58.000 Well, I think it's pretty interesting.
00:39:00.000 If you go back to this primary, the Democrats spent about $7 million just in this primary.
00:39:05.000 They endorsed Marlene Woods.
00:39:06.000 They did not endorse Dr. Amisha.
00:39:08.000 They spent a ton of money against him.
00:39:11.000 You know, and they wanted somebody who they felt would fit this district more, somebody who was more moderate, and they didn't get that.
00:39:19.000 And, you know, they got Amish Shaw again, who ran two years ago against David Swiker, lost 52 48.
00:39:26.000 You know, and he's somebody who wants a single payer system, you know, that wants Medicaid for all and, you know, wants to embrace and has embraced a lot of these Democrat socialist policies that, you know, believes in the destruction of capitalism and the destruction of the American empire and, you know, wants to undermine so many of the foundational qualities that we believe.
00:39:47.000 And you have to, I think a rational person is going to look at.
00:39:51.000 Where this Democrat socialist movement is going.
00:39:54.000 Who are the leaders of the Democrat Party now?
00:39:56.000 It is AOC and Bernie Sanders. 0.64
00:39:58.000 It is Mondani.
00:40:00.000 They are having tremendous success around the country, not just in New York with the three House seats there, but in Colorado, in Pennsylvania, in the mayor race in DC.
00:40:09.000 This is spreading across the country.
00:40:11.000 The Democrat Party is panicking about this because they know that these ideas and the ideology that they espouse, especially here in CD1 in this district, that is a center right district.
00:40:25.000 You know, it's a district that has 60,000 more registered Republicans than Democrats, got 180,000 registered independents.
00:40:32.000 And I believe most of those independents lean to the right, you know, but they want the right economic opportunities for their children to succeed in the next generations.
00:40:41.000 They want individual liberties and they do not want this platform that believes in fundamentally changing America and what's made it great.
00:40:48.000 You know, you look at the last 250 years, what we've been able to accomplish and the poverty that capitalism has eliminated, not just here in this country, but around the world.
00:40:59.000 It is the greatest system to lift people out of poverty and give people who come from nothing the opportunity to be a success in life.
00:41:07.000 That's what's great about America.
00:41:09.000 That's why we are, you know, the shiny beacon on the hill.
00:41:12.000 And we need to fight for that.
00:41:13.000 And we're going to continue to make that distinction throughout this race with me and Amisha.
00:41:18.000 Yeah.
00:41:18.000 And you started this conversation, Jay, basically saying, hey, listen, the ideological divergence between the two parties has never been greater, never been larger.
00:41:30.000 And the DSA's plan for America is to destroy it.
00:41:33.000 It is to destroy what has made America America.
00:41:36.000 And you go around your district, and I know that district pretty well now, as I've moved to Arizona in November, really before that of last year.
00:41:47.000 And you feel it.
00:41:49.000 It's a center right district.
00:41:51.000 The question is going to be turnout.
00:41:53.000 And the reason this is so critically important is the midterms, we don't see as much turnout.
00:41:58.000 Trump's not on the ballot.
00:41:59.000 That's why what we're doing at Turning Point Action is so critically important.
00:42:03.000 And I just want to stress this for the audience listening.
00:42:07.000 Jay Feely's district, CD1 in Arizona, could be what the entire Congress, the balance of power, hinges upon your district.
00:42:15.000 No pressure, Jay, but that's how big the stakes are in your district.
00:42:20.000 It's one of the few true swing districts in the country, and we've got more registered Republicans there.
00:42:26.000 The question is, can we get them out?
00:42:29.000 And that's why Turning Point Action is investing so much time and energy in CD1.
00:42:33.000 That's why we have ballot chasers deployed because we believe in you.
00:42:36.000 And I just want to say, you are the right man for this.
00:42:39.000 Job.
00:42:40.000 I know that in my gut.
00:42:41.000 You are a good Christian man.
00:42:43.000 You pray.
00:42:44.000 You raise your kids to love the Lord.
00:42:46.000 You raise a beautiful family and you've put your heart and soul into this.
00:42:50.000 So, action items.
00:42:52.000 We got to get people to come out.
00:42:54.000 Do not be disaffected.
00:42:56.000 The future of Western civilization could very well hang on CD1.
00:43:00.000 So, what are the action items for people listening, Jay?
00:43:03.000 Well, I love that.
00:43:04.000 I love the fact that it's consequential.
00:43:06.000 I talked about that in my speech after we won in the primary.
00:43:10.000 You know, like when you do things, you want to be involved in something that's going to have real meaning and going to have an impact on the future of our country.
00:43:18.000 I truly believe that this seat and this election, this midterm election, has the ability to fundamentally shape our country going forward.
00:43:26.000 I think one of the things that we need, Andrew, is Christians to be engaged in the political process.
00:43:32.000 We have 40 million Christians around the country that don't vote, that aren't engaged in the process.
00:43:38.000 And for me, we're going to do all kinds of events.
00:43:41.000 We're going to do town halls where we talk to independents and Democrats.
00:43:45.000 Come on out and talk to us.
00:43:46.000 Hear what I believe and why I believe it.
00:43:48.000 The impact that I've tried to have on this community, the engagement that my wife and I have always done throughout my time in the NFL, and why I wanted to get into politics to effectuate people's lives.
00:43:59.000 But the other thing I want to do is I want to go to churches and I want to sit down and be able to talk to people in those communities, in those churches, about why they should care about this process, the impact it has.
00:44:10.000 Because I believe if you're a Christian and you believe in trying to live a life for Christ, then there's only one party that you can support.
00:44:20.000 Doesn't mean that.
00:44:21.000 The Republican Party and conservatives are perfect, not by any means.
00:44:25.000 But when you look at the two parties and what they advocate for and where they want this country to go, if you believe in God and you are a Christian, there's only one party that's advocating for those policies that respects life and tries to create the right opportunity for this country to follow its Judeo Christian roots.
00:44:44.000 And that is the conservatives, that is the Republican Party.
00:44:47.000 You know, so I want to do something that isn't done a lot in politics and going and doing those meetings in churches on Saturdays.
00:44:55.000 Talking, giving the right opportunity and forum for people in those churches to come out and hear you and question you and listen to you because we need those people engaged.
00:45:05.000 We're going to do our huddles that we do every Sunday where we go into people's homes and you invite all your friends and family, not as a fundraiser, but to communicate and talk and to be able to ask questions.
00:45:16.000 We're going to be doing our Friday night football events that we started last year where we go to all the football games.
00:45:22.000 Jay Feely for Congress, Jay Feely for Congress.
00:45:25.000 Get involved, chip in some money.
00:45:27.000 This man is.
00:45:28.000 The real deal, and he's going to take it home for us over the finish line in CD1.
00:45:32.000 Jay, thank you so much.
00:45:34.000 All right.
00:45:35.000 So, I don't know if you guys have seen this yet, but it is definitely worth covering on this show.
00:45:43.000 Dr. Fauci is in the news again.
00:45:45.000 And why?
00:45:46.000 Because Senator Rand Paul, Republican from Kentucky, publicly released the Fauci diaries that he uncovered in the course of his investigation into Anthony Fauci.
00:45:57.000 And he released them on July 25th, 2026, as part of a Senate Homeland Security Committee.
00:46:02.000 Oversight investigation into COVID 19 origins and Fauci's role.
00:46:08.000 Senator Paul posted a thread on Tony's diaries covering roughly December 2019.
00:46:15.000 So, right before the outbreak was felt very strongly here in the United States, we were getting reports of it in China.
00:46:23.000 So, it covers it from December 2019 through December 2022.
00:46:27.000 And it's all available on the Senate site.
00:46:29.000 I recommend you guys go check it out.
00:46:30.000 I'm pouring through it right now.
00:46:32.000 But what he does is he frames What Dr. Fauci said publicly versus what he wrote privately in his own journal.
00:46:42.000 And this is becoming shortly before Dr. Fauci is scheduled, subpoenaed to testify before the committee.
00:46:49.000 So these are contemporaneous notes of what Dr. Fauci saw and what he was saying versus what he said publicly, which we have a very ample record of.
00:47:00.000 And there is a couple of things that are just extraordinary, okay?
00:47:03.000 Absolute bombshell stuff.
00:47:06.000 One, We get this weird view into Dr. Fauci being completely obsessed with himself and his own fame.
00:47:13.000 He notes more than once at his, he's almost flabbergasted at how famous he was becoming, that he is probably the most famous scientist in the world.
00:47:24.000 He posts pictures like this 167.
00:47:26.000 This is actual entries from Dr. Fauci's journal, his diary, where he's posting pictures of cookies on himself.
00:47:35.000 He has a bobblehead doll that he's just so taken by.
00:47:39.000 This is actual.
00:47:40.000 Have you ever known a man to post diary entries of this nature?
00:47:45.000 168.
00:47:46.000 This is more, the Fauci Pouchy.
00:47:49.000 These are, I guess, alcoholic beverages of some sort.
00:47:52.000 And they've got his face on him.
00:47:54.000 He loves this.
00:47:55.000 He posts another, a mosaic.
00:47:57.000 This, again, released by Chairman Rand Paul of the Homeland Security Committee of all these people wearing Fauci shirts.
00:48:05.000 He's obsessed with himself.
00:48:08.000 This is what's also fascinating.
00:48:09.000 So we have public video available to all of us.
00:48:14.000 This is part of the public record of Anthony Fauci denying that he had anything to do with closing schools.
00:48:22.000 Turns out, though, he left a little breadcrumb for us in his diary.
00:48:26.000 157.
00:48:27.000 This is saying I spoke with Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York City, and convinced him, based on what I was saying publicly in my conversation tonight, to close the New York City schools.
00:48:38.000 I went on to tell him he could close the bars and restaurants in New York City.
00:48:42.000 I had a similar call with Ann O'Leary, the chief staff of Governor Gavin Newsom of California, and said that based on my TV appearances today and yesterday, the governor has decided to close the schools in California as well as bars and restaurants.
00:48:55.000 This is a direct contradiction to his publicly stated statements that he had nothing to do with closing the schools.
00:49:06.000 He convinced New York and California, which led the way on these draconian lockdowns, to close everything up.
00:49:15.000 The other thing that becomes really interesting is this discussion about where the origin of the virus came from.
00:49:23.000 There is a very, very famous meeting of 12 scientists that gathered in a room.
00:49:27.000 And from that, we got proximal origin, right?
00:49:30.000 That it came from the wet market.
00:49:33.000 Well, it turns out, of those 12 scientists, only two believed that it came out of the wet market.
00:49:39.000 The rest of them believed that direct insertion, i.e., a lab leak, was more probable.
00:49:45.000 So this is 158.
00:49:47.000 Fauci writes in his diary now we know the market was not the source, it was the amplifier.
00:49:54.000 Okay, this is January of 2020.
00:49:57.000 The wet market was already off the table in his own private notes.
00:50:02.000 And yet, we took months of deliberation saying that it was probably a lab leak.
00:50:07.000 We had an argument, very, very loud and vociferous, that it was probably a lab leak because the Wuhan Institute was right there where the source of the spread originated.
00:50:17.000 It was very obvious to anybody with common sense.
00:50:21.000 And yet, they denied this, they obfuscated, they lied publicly.
00:50:26.000 But in his own notes, as of January 2020, We knew that the wet market was off the table.
00:50:34.000 We got banned on social media for saying this.
00:50:38.000 You were not allowed to say this.
00:50:39.000 This was called dangerous disinformation, that it was sparking anti Chinese racism. 1.00
00:50:48.000 Pretty remarkable. 0.98
00:50:49.000 Only two concluded it was natural.
00:50:51.000 You could throw up 159.
00:50:53.000 This is a list of scientists on that call.
00:50:55.000 Only two concluded it was natural.
00:50:57.000 Per Fauci's own notes, the rest felt that deliberate insertion was the case.
00:51:03.000 This was as.
00:51:04.000 Dr. Rand Paul says it was never a 50 50 room as was expressed.
00:51:10.000 So, in May 23rd, 2021, Fauci called the lead author of Proximal Origin, the paper he'd been citing publicly as independent science, for reassurance about his own NIH grant.
00:51:24.000 His diary I feel much better now that he is in total support of what I have been saying.
00:51:28.000 Okay, so listen to this.
00:51:31.000 I had a very interesting and helpful conversation today with Christian Anderson of Scripps Research Institute.
00:51:36.000 Institute.
00:51:36.000 He was very emphatic that the work that was done at the Wuhan Institute in association with our grant was not gain of function.
00:51:43.000 In addition, he confirmed that if you match the chimeric viruses that were made in the context of the NIH grant at Wuhan, they are not even close sequence wise to the SARS CoV 2.
00:51:55.000 So this is basically establishing that he gets to keep his grant.
00:52:00.000 There is so much more here that needs to be unpacked, and we're going to unpack it in the days to come.
00:52:05.000 But watch this space. 0.98
00:52:06.000 Dr. Fauci is Probably the biggest shape shifting liar of a con artist that's ever been unleashed on the American public, and he's being caught out by his own freaking diary. 0.98
00:52:17.000 You can't make this stuff up for nearly 3,000 years. 0.98
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00:53:36.000 All right, Rich Barris, Big Data Poll joins us now, the People's Pundit.
00:53:39.000 Rich, you sent me an article over the weekend that definitely, you know, Gives me pause, right?
00:53:49.000 And it came from the Washington Post.
00:53:50.000 They went out and they talked to a bunch of people in the field, and they're noticing a lack of enthusiasm.
00:53:58.000 And I think this is the standout quote.
00:54:01.000 It says, About one in five reliable Republican base voters are at risk in November.
00:54:08.000 They either will stay home or vote Dem.
00:54:10.000 Across Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina, I believe that's Montana, New Hampshire, Michigan.
00:54:18.000 That's terrifying, Rich.
00:54:20.000 Is that, and you've been warning about this for a long time.
00:54:22.000 So I said, Rich, you got to come on.
00:54:24.000 And what is driving this at risk purported one in five?
00:54:28.000 Is it that bad?
00:54:30.000 I think everyone needs to remove the term black pilling from their vocabulary.
00:54:36.000 Okay.
00:54:37.000 People like me who have been better or not even better, the best at surveying and measuring and tracking the Trump coalition, which is different than any previous Republican coalition, have been now for over a year.
00:54:51.000 And by the way, that included Charlie because he was one of my only allies before Operation Midnight Hammer.
00:54:57.000 Trying to warn everybody that if you do this, it will be seen as a gross betrayal by a huge and critical section of your base, and they will not come back.
00:55:08.000 And this is not me being hyperbolic.
00:55:10.000 This is a group of people who joined the Trump coalition because they expected something different.
00:55:15.000 What they got was more of the same republicanism that the country rejected after George W. Bush.
00:55:21.000 I can't even be any more plain than that. 0.54
00:55:24.000 It started with how the mishandling of the Epstein situation came into being.
00:55:27.000 By the way, New York Times bestselling book now came out and completely confirmed everything that I tried telling people.
00:55:34.000 Even Dan Bongino knew I was right, even though he didn't have the courage to say it in public.
00:55:39.000 And we are at this point now.
00:55:41.000 I mean, Andrew, I do this every day for a living. 0.74
00:55:44.000 Why would you listen to people with ridiculous Twitter handles who interview zero people on a daily basis?
00:55:50.000 This is what I do and have done better than anybody else for more than a decade, especially in the Trump era. 0.79
00:55:56.000 This is not good.
00:55:57.000 This isn't simple, you know, being disaffected.
00:56:01.000 This is a five alarm fire that we need to address.
00:56:04.000 And I've been trying to shoot up flares for more than a year now to no avail.
00:56:09.000 And I think, honestly, we're in the field now.
00:56:10.000 You're going to see the poll real soon, Andrew.
00:56:12.000 I think the rug pull on the peace deal is a problem, more than a problem.
00:56:17.000 It's okay.
00:56:18.000 Yeah.
00:56:18.000 Well, so let's go through this.
00:56:20.000 You sent me some graphics here.
00:56:22.000 Yeah.
00:56:23.000 Your first one is just two colors, easy to read.
00:56:26.000 It's a pie chart.
00:56:27.000 You said, Do you think it is worth paying $4?
00:56:30.000 A gallon or higher for gas to continue fighting the Iran war.
00:56:35.000 Your poll says 34.1% says yes, it's worth paying higher gas prices to fight in Iran.
00:56:42.000 65.9% say no, not worth paying. 0.62
00:56:47.000 It's higher now since we talked and I sent that to you.
00:56:50.000 I mean, we obviously continue to interview people for the rest of Sunday.
00:56:53.000 It's higher.
00:56:54.000 Let me just ask a question real quick.
00:56:55.000 Ben, can you read?
00:56:57.000 Are you colorblind?
00:56:58.000 Mark Thiessen, you're the one who brought up the $4 gasoline per gallon.
00:57:01.000 Can you read?
00:57:02.000 Are you colorblind?
00:57:03.000 Mark Levine.
00:57:03.000 Can you read?
00:57:04.000 Are you color blind?
00:57:06.000 That entire group doesn't have a single, single data point on their side to argue for the catastrophic policy that they have led this administration in, that they have advocated for, which is, by the way, more of the same Bushism.
00:57:21.000 It's the exact reason why Donald Trump was able to win a nomination against 17 other people.
00:57:26.000 And by the way, make the biggest political, most impressive political comeback in U.S. history.
00:57:32.000 So, why on earth would we ever think it was a good idea to go down the path of those?
00:57:37.000 People, the dinosaurs who represent a shrinking and dying coalition, it's not even a coalition, it's a shrinking and literally dying demographic in the US electorate.
00:57:47.000 The only thing they've accomplished since, and yes, you know, people like Charlie and I were successful in limiting the strikes last year, but what we knew what everyone else didn't want to accept is that if they did Operation Midnight Hammer, it was always going to lead to an unpopular, full on kinetic war.
00:58:05.000 And now here we are, Andrew, and the only thing they accomplished, the only thing this group of people have accomplished is that.
00:58:12.000 Now, MAGA has shrunk and transformed into something that is dwarfed by what the Democrats are going to put together.
00:58:19.000 Unfortunately, it looks that way.
00:58:21.000 And millennials want nothing to do with the Republican Party, which is maybe people don't know this.
00:58:26.000 And by the way, go buy, burn it down, go pre order it.
00:58:28.000 That's why I wrote it.
00:58:29.000 I'm sorry I didn't write it sooner.
00:58:30.000 I wish people would have been able to read it sooner so we didn't have to go through this painful process.
00:58:35.000 But millennials are actually the largest voting eligible population share in this country.
00:58:40.000 Boomers just vote at a higher rate, but they turn 80 this year and will soon fall off.
00:58:46.000 Chasing away millennials was the single most unwise, is the best word I could drum up right now, move that I've ever seen a political party make. 0.61
00:58:57.000 Rich, so with millennials, you know, we saw a big move.
00:59:02.000 Okay, if you date all the way back to Obama when we lost millennials by, I don't know what it was, like 40 points or something, it became basically a swing vote.
00:59:11.000 It was a 50 50 vote.
00:59:14.000 What did it, what were millennials at in 2024 and now what's the delta since?
00:59:20.000 The election.
00:59:20.000 Okay, this is important because Donald Trump didn't just win and win kind of easily, right, Andrew?
00:59:25.000 I mean, we were done at 11 o'clock at night.
00:59:27.000 We were all, you know, we were done.
00:59:29.000 We haven't seen a presidential election get put away that quickly.
00:59:32.000 Surprisingly easy.
00:59:34.000 Yeah.
00:59:34.000 Since Barack Obama dismantled Mark Thiessen's coalition when they ran Mitt Romney.
00:59:40.000 That was the last time we've seen a presidential election get called that quickly, by the way.
00:59:44.000 All right.
00:59:45.000 This is key to how Trump was able to do that.
00:59:48.000 It wasn't that he just changed minds.
00:59:51.000 Millennials, and if you look at the story of millennials, of which I am one, you'll see 9 11 hit them.
00:59:57.000 The minute they come into the workforce and they become adults, right, the oldest of them, which is me, I'm right before Gen X.
01:00:03.000 They get hit with 9 11 and it completely changes their world and how things work.
01:00:08.000 Unfortunately, it also stripped a lot of their liberties, which soured them on the Republican Party later down the road when it became clear that it wasn't worth it.
01:00:16.000 Then they start to recover from some of this and they get smashed with the financial crisis.
01:00:20.000 All right.
01:00:22.000 That goes away.
01:00:22.000 Trump comes around.
01:00:23.000 He resurrects the Republican Party after two very disappointing years when they backed Obama.
01:00:31.000 In 2017, they become the largest share, the largest single generational share of the voting eligible population, but they're still not voting at significantly higher rates. 0.64
01:00:41.000 So boomers and others are able to keep them from flexing their political muscles, as we like to say.
01:00:48.000 It's not until 2024 when Donald Trump didn't just change minds.
01:00:53.000 These are disaffected people that through this, what happened after that, COVID, right?
01:00:58.000 Donald Trump was able to convince a large group of millennials to come out and vote again and participate in the process when in previous elections they had checked out again.
01:01:09.000 They were done.
01:01:10.000 They gave Obama a chance and they're okay, and they came out in large shares for Obama.
01:01:14.000 They drove older shares of the vote down into the mid to low 20s. 0.54
01:01:19.000 And then by the time Obama began to cause disaffection himself, You know, the boomers started to get to the mid and high 20s again, even in some elections and midterms, of course, in the 30s. 0.56
01:01:31.000 So they punch way above their weight because they're voting at rates, you know, that are significantly higher.
01:01:37.000 Trump didn't judge the millennial mind changer and did a whole show on this and inside the numbers because of the death of Hulk Hogan and what it meant culturally.
01:01:45.000 And it was a perfect example, perfectly symbolic.
01:01:49.000 So we did an entire show on this.
01:01:52.000 And I don't know at this point.
01:01:55.000 And then people always say, well, Rich, what do we do now?
01:01:57.000 The answer is, I don't really know, Andrew, because I mean, I knew the answer a year ago.
01:02:02.000 I knew the answer six months ago, even.
01:02:04.000 And I think before with the peace deal, we saw Trump's approval rating rebounded strongly with that peace deal.
01:02:11.000 I showed you that poll.
01:02:12.000 We talked about that poll as well.
01:02:13.000 So did JD's.
01:02:14.000 Is that valid?
01:02:14.000 Yeah.
01:02:15.000 Oh, yes.
01:02:16.000 His favorability shot back positive.
01:02:18.000 And by the way, this is another thing to consider.
01:02:21.000 And I'm going to put this other stuff to rest, which I try to do every time I come on the show here.
01:02:25.000 JD's the only one who can win a national election.
01:02:28.000 Okay.
01:02:28.000 Nobody else can win a national election.
01:02:31.000 You have to win the Rust Belt until the 26th.
01:02:32.000 You think Marco can, Rich?
01:02:34.000 No, he can't.
01:02:35.000 Zero chance.
01:02:35.000 Zero chance.
01:02:36.000 He cannot win one of the Great Lakes Rust Belt states.
01:02:39.000 Look at how close Wisconsin was for Donald Trump.
01:02:42.000 Donald Trump is the reason why you can win the state of Michigan.
01:02:45.000 Pennsylvania, these are not swing states.
01:02:48.000 They're really not.
01:02:49.000 This is the dupe that Republicans have allowed themselves to believe.
01:02:53.000 They're not swing states.
01:02:54.000 They're Trump's swing states and a particular brand of Trump that now, unfortunately, most voters, whether you support Donald Trump or not, is irrelevant.
01:03:04.000 You are still a shrinking part of the electorate, the overall electorate.
01:03:09.000 All that matters is how the rest of his coalition from 24 views it.
01:03:13.000 And they don't view it that way anymore.
01:03:15.000 So that hurts, by extension, Hurts the only guy who can win a national election.
01:03:20.000 And why can he when others can't?
01:03:22.000 Because of his story, he is that millennial we were just talking about.
01:03:26.000 His entire story embodies their identity, Andrew.
01:03:31.000 Rich, go ahead.
01:03:32.000 Charlie was a big believer in the fact that JD was the right pick for vice president because of his story, because he thought that he could help in the Rust Belt.
01:03:40.000 All right, Rich, I want to show another graph from some of your polling here.
01:03:44.000 Because I think it's really important that people visually see this stuff.
01:03:48.000 172, throw it up.
01:03:50.000 Do you support or oppose reopening negotiations to end the Iran war?
01:03:56.000 And you've got 40.6% strongly support, and then you've got 24.7% that somewhat support.
01:04:05.000 So you add those two together, Rich, you're looking at what 65% of the electorate supports negotiating an end to the Iran issue.
01:04:15.000 And we just got a clip, by the way, breaking in the middle of the break.
01:04:19.000 President Trump was on Air Force One headed to Michigan, and he said.
01:04:23.000 They want to meet.
01:04:24.000 We're going to meet.
01:04:24.000 We're going to see what happens.
01:04:25.000 All right.
01:04:26.000 Obviously, it's tough. 1.00
01:04:27.000 It's tough to negotiate with Iran. 1.00
01:04:28.000 This is one of the reasons getting involved in a conflict in the first place was probably a questionable decision because you can always start a war, but you can't finish. 0.99
01:04:36.000 You can't determine when it ends.
01:04:38.000 They get a say in it, too.
01:04:39.000 But it's popular, Rich.
01:04:41.000 This is why JD's favorable shot up when he was seen as leading the MOU negotiations.
01:04:49.000 How much of an impact can this have if we're successful getting a resolution to the Iran conflict?
01:04:55.000 You know, it can't hurt.
01:04:57.000 You know, let me put it this way.
01:05:00.000 It can't hurt.
01:05:00.000 It's the only choice at this moment.
01:05:03.000 Last week, we did a show because a lot of what people hear out there is just patently wrong about the views of Iranian people.
01:05:11.000 And the views of the Iranians do matter as far as whether a deal holds or not, because every regime must maintain regime credibility.
01:05:18.000 They can't be seen as capitulating.
01:05:20.000 Honestly, JD Vance, the vice president, is a Helen Keller like miracle worker.
01:05:26.000 The fact that he was able to get the terms of the MOU, that the neocons hated, by the way, The fact that he was even able to get those terms, considering what Iranians, how their opinions have changed after Operation Midnight Hammer, is a real testament to how much work he must have put into it and how much persuasion that the guy must be capable of.
01:05:46.000 Because the truth is, and people hate this, they hate hearing this, but it's true.
01:05:51.000 The warmongers lied to all of you, including the president.
01:05:54.000 The Iranians were not these rabid, fanatical pursuers of a nuclear bomb, Andrew.
01:06:02.000 It's simply false.
01:06:04.000 In polling from Credible organizations that aren't backed by the CIA and other regime change think tanks is very, very clear.
01:06:13.000 From Gallup, the University of Maryland, from Pew, they didn't even believe before Operation Midnight Hammer, they didn't even believe Islam permitted the development of nuclear weapons. 0.56
01:06:22.000 Now they want a bomb, and it's going to be more difficult for the regime to sell this to their population in the wake of Operation Midnight Hammer.
01:06:33.000 I was stunned that JD even got the terms he did because the regime has no incentive.
01:06:38.000 They can take punishment, Andrew.
01:06:40.000 Their population supports it.
01:06:42.000 And they're not a democratically elected government, right?
01:06:45.000 So they don't care.
01:06:46.000 Their number one problem with their regime is economic reforms, which they blame the West for anyway.
01:06:51.000 You were all lied to.
01:06:53.000 They were never going to topple their government.
01:06:55.000 There was never an anti mullah sentiment in Iran.
01:06:58.000 Mark Levin and the rest of them lied to you.
01:07:01.000 They lied to you.
01:07:02.000 They use fake CIA polling.
01:07:04.000 We've read documents on the show.
01:07:05.000 They're laughing at you because it's just fake polls.
01:07:08.000 They're just fake. 0.62
01:07:09.000 They were made to dupe the West. 1.00
01:07:11.000 You're saying that the domestic population. 1.00
01:07:13.000 You're saying.
01:07:15.000 Yeah.
01:07:15.000 You're saying the domestic population in Iran is in favor of this regime.
01:07:20.000 It is.
01:07:21.000 The regime is significantly or sufficiently popular.
01:07:24.000 Absolutely.
01:07:25.000 And the only time in multi decades of polling by credible outlets, not fake CIA led polling, in multi decade trends, you can see that Operation Midnight Hammer was the catalyst.
01:07:39.000 And for the first time ever in the history of their polling, they want a bomb.
01:07:43.000 Good job.
01:07:44.000 All right.
01:07:44.000 So.
01:07:45.000 Rich.
01:07:46.000 Okay.
01:07:47.000 So peace is popular.
01:07:48.000 They accepted the Ayatollah's fought law, by the way.
01:07:50.000 I just wanted to say that.
01:07:51.000 They accepted the Ayatollah's fought law, not to develop a nuclear weapon, just a nuclear program, but not a nuclear weapon.
01:07:59.000 78%, Andrew. 0.80
01:08:01.000 And it completely turned it around with Operation Midnight Hammer.
01:08:03.000 Good job.
01:08:04.000 So, all right.
01:08:06.000 I hear you loud and clear, but peace is popular.
01:08:10.000 We've got to pursue it.
01:08:13.000 And here's the question.
01:08:15.000 So you see the rise of DSA.
01:08:16.000 We only got about a minute and a half left.
01:08:18.000 Rise of DSA.
01:08:19.000 It is a symptom of an underlying problem in our politics.
01:08:23.000 Feels like nothing gets fixed.
01:08:24.000 Doesn't matter who you vote for.
01:08:26.000 And the question then becomes if you had a magic wand, and from a messaging and a policy standpoint, between now and Election Day in November, what should the admin be hitting hard?
01:08:38.000 What do they need to say?
01:08:40.000 Real quick, one minute, Rich.
01:08:42.000 They have to dump this war and acknowledge the affordability crisis in this country because Mondani is not a fringe candidate.
01:08:48.000 He is the tip of a rising trend.
01:08:51.000 What Andrew is referring to, folks, is the identification question.
01:08:55.000 Every month, the number of Democrats who identify as socialists continue to rise.
01:09:00.000 So it wasn't blackpilling. 0.99
01:09:01.000 It was me warning this country that if you turn it over to these people, they are crazy. 0.98
01:09:05.000 These are fanatics.
01:09:07.000 Honestly, Andrew, everybody's got to get back to work.
01:09:10.000 If you want to buck history, you better buck what Congress usually does, which is go home in the second year, especially in the month of August, and do nothing.
01:09:17.000 Republicans can't do that.
01:09:19.000 They need to listen to President Trump, get rid of the filibuster.
01:09:22.000 Pass the Save Act and acknowledge the affordability crisis and actually do something you promised the American voter you would do.
01:09:29.000 It's that simple.
01:09:30.000 Yeah.
01:09:30.000 When you got a situation where one in five Republican, predictable, reliable voters might stay home, I don't believe that they're going to vote Dem.
01:09:38.000 Maybe some will, but I think what's more likely is they're just not going to show up.
01:09:43.000 They're just not going to show up.
01:09:44.000 If you do that, that is the underlying elements necessary for radical revolutionary politics in this country.
01:09:53.000 Got to focus domestically.
01:09:54.000 Rich Barris, thank you, my friend.
01:09:56.000 We'll see you soon.
01:09:57.000 All the best, brother.
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