The Charlie Kirk Show - Epstein Bombshell and Durham Indictments with Sara Carter

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00:01:11.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:12.000 Welcome to this special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show that we are cross-posting on the amazing Sarah Carter podcast as well.

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00:01:23.000 Sarah, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:25.000 It's so great to be on with you, Charlie.

00:01:27.000 And it's great to be a board member of such an incredible organization.

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00:01:36.000 It's a tribute to you and what you've been able to do.

00:01:38.000 Well, thank you.

00:01:39.000 I really appreciate that.

00:01:41.000 And we had a lot of fun the other night on Steve Hilton on Fox News.

00:01:45.000 And that was fun as always.

00:01:47.000 So I turned on my television this morning, and I think Cersei Lannister was in Beirut and decided to blow up the entire city.

00:01:55.000 What is going on in Beirut?

00:01:57.000 And what do you know?

00:01:58.000 You've covered the Middle East extensively.

00:02:00.000 Let's start there.

00:02:01.000 Well, I got to tell you, at first, my first impression, and I saw it, you know, as immediately as it happened, it came across my Twitter feed because I'm constantly following reporters who are in the region.

00:02:11.000 As you know, I live there, Charlie.

00:02:13.000 I grew up in Saudi Arabia.

00:02:15.000 My father worked for an American company there when I was a kid.

00:02:18.000 So I spent a good majority of my life in the region and then later went back and covered terrorism both in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:02:27.000 So the first thing that goes through my mind when I see this explosion, which was so massive, I mean, it looked like it did.

00:02:34.000 You had said before we got on, it looks like an A-bomb or something.

00:02:37.000 It did. 0.57

00:02:37.000 It looked like something we had seen in Hiroshima or something, this big mushroom cloud. 0.57

00:02:41.000 And then the dark part of the cloud, I thought to myself, this is a huge bomb.

00:02:45.000 And, you know, I was, at first, it brought back really terrible memories of when I was in Afghanistan.

00:02:51.000 I believe it was around 2009.

00:02:54.000 There was a bombing of a VBID.

00:02:56.000 It was a vehicle-borne IED explosive just less than a mile from where I was staying at the Indian Embassy in Kabul.

00:03:05.000 And just this car that was packed with explosive created a bomb that was so strong that we were just under a mile away and the guest house buckled and I got blown like out of my chair in the backyard.

00:03:20.000 So this was just imagine a bomb that's not even a quarter really of the size of what happened right now in Beirut going off, right?

00:03:28.000 And it having that kind of power.

00:03:30.000 And then the decimation afterwards, the death, the people burned, the cars, the vehicles incinerated.

00:03:39.000 So my heart just dropped.

00:03:40.000 And I thought to myself, what could be happening right now in Beirut?

00:03:44.000 Obviously, Beirut has a history.

00:03:46.000 Lebanon has a history. 0.96

00:03:47.000 It's a pass-through right now for a lot of Iranian and terrorist organizations. 0.81

00:03:53.000 There's a lot of great people in Beirut, but remember, Beirut's a hodgepodge of so many different religions and people.

00:04:00.000 And anything can happen. 0.97

00:04:01.000 We've seen it before there.

00:04:03.000 We saw it with the Beirut bombings in 1983 with the Marine Corps barracks, where we lost so many Marines.

00:04:10.000 But right now, they're reporting that the bomb, that it's probably not a bomb, that it came from a factory.

00:04:16.000 It looks like a fireworks factory that's near the port.

00:04:19.000 But those are just very early reports that I'm seeing.

00:04:22.000 I saw those reports actually on the New York Times.

00:04:25.000 So we don't know.

00:04:26.000 We don't know if somebody actually planted a bomb near there or if this was just a fire that erupted into a huge explosion.

00:04:33.000 We're going to have to wait.

00:04:35.000 But what we do know is that, you know, hundreds of people have been injured, dozens have been killed.

00:04:40.000 And this is a really tragic situation for the people of Beirut, which actually is one of the most beautiful cities in the world, one of the most beautiful cities in the Middle East, especially early on in the 1970s.

00:04:51.000 It was the Paris.

00:04:53.000 It was the Paris of the Middle East.

00:04:55.000 Yeah, and they've been held hostage a lot of times by Hezbollah and Iranian-funded actors.

00:05:01.000 And so hopefully the facts will keep on coming in and we'll be able to figure out exactly.

00:05:05.000 I mean, I've never seen an explosion like that.

00:05:07.000 It was just unbelievable, the combustion that must have been taken to make something like that happen.

00:05:12.000 So let's talk broadly right now about just what's happening in this presidential race.

00:05:19.000 You're covering it very closely.

00:05:21.000 You and I chatted about this with Steve Hilton.

00:05:24.000 What do you think is the state of the race with Joe Biden and Donald Trump?

00:05:28.000 Do you see similarities to 2016?

00:05:30.000 What is your reporting showing of where this race is headed and what the president needs to do to secure a victory?

00:05:38.000 I'm actually a bit concerned.

00:05:40.000 Obviously, right now, you know, Biden's camp is keeping Biden in the basement, right?

00:05:45.000 They are not letting him out.

00:05:47.000 And they're doing that for a reason, because they don't want the American public to really know what's going on with the former vice president.

00:05:55.000 You know, at first, I would joke around about this.

00:05:58.000 You know, he would come out and make these crazy statements about corn pop, about, you know, we saw the older videos where he's talking about the hair on his legs and the kids and everybody's laughing.

00:06:08.000 We're playing it over and over again.

00:06:09.000 We're showing that there's something obviously wrong.

00:06:12.000 He doesn't always remember where he's at.

00:06:15.000 He has to be told certain questions over and over again, sometimes beforehand.

00:06:21.000 But the fact that they're keeping him from going public right now is very concerning to me.

00:06:27.000 You know, the president is out there.

00:06:28.000 His team is out there laying out what they have done over the last four years for this nation, which has been extraordinary up until the coronavirus epidemic hit.

00:06:39.000 This is called a black swan event.

00:06:42.000 And I got to tell you, Charlie, that somebody had asked me months ago, I mean, I think it was like in December or November, we were all talking.

00:06:50.000 And I remember somebody telling me, oh my gosh, this presidency is roaring.

00:06:55.000 It's going to be awesome.

00:06:56.000 We're going to get 2020.

00:06:57.000 We're going to clench it.

00:06:59.000 And I said, yes, but there's always that kind of black swan event that can occur that has happened historically to other presidents.

00:07:09.000 I think this president, President Trump, has been one of the greatest presidents standing up for liberty and freedom that this nation has ever seen in modern times.

00:07:20.000 He has fought the establishment and continues to fight the establishment against what is unprecedented and mounting attacks against him and against his team.

00:07:34.000 It's unheard of, what we've seen from the Russia hoax up until right now.

00:07:39.000 But you asked me a really important question.

00:07:42.000 You said, what is it going to take?

00:07:44.000 We need to lay out those policy plans for the American people.

00:07:48.000 The American people have to understand and know that this president is going to lead us through this epidemic as the top general, as the top chief, commander in chief.

00:07:59.000 We need everybody in the administration on the same team on board to win this election.

00:08:07.000 And, you know, for those outliers and people that are, you know, the Republican establishment, the rhinos, those that I don't really consider Republicans anymore.

00:08:19.000 I don't believe they are conservatives. 0.91

00:08:21.000 I actually truly believe they are part of the Democratic strategy.

00:08:25.000 For any conservative that thinks that voting for Joe Biden is going to be a victory for America, they are sadly mistaken.

00:08:33.000 It is a choice between American principles and freedom and liberty and Marxism, because it's not Joe Biden that's going to be president of these United States of America.

00:08:45.000 It's going to be Susan Rice with the Obama agenda if she gets selected.

00:08:50.000 It's going to be AOC, Ilhan Omar, the Rashida Tlaibs, the extremists, the people that we've seen on the streets rioting that the Joe Biden campaign cowers to.

00:09:02.000 It's not about law and order.

00:09:03.000 It's going to fundamentally change our country.

00:09:05.000 And that's what scares me.

00:09:07.000 These last days have to be taken as seriously, as seriously as any day in this campaign.

00:09:15.000 Nobody should just sit back and say, oh, it's going to be a shoe-in.

00:09:19.000 This should be a fight to the finish.

00:09:21.000 And the message should be heard loud and clear in all of the swing states and all across America.

00:09:27.000 Who do you think that Joe Biden is going to select for vice president?

00:09:32.000 Susan Rice.

00:09:34.000 I've been saying that.

00:09:35.000 Yeah, I do.

00:09:36.000 I do.

00:09:37.000 I mean, I could be, I could be completely wrong, right?

00:09:41.000 I could be because I'm not, I don't have a magic ball.

00:09:43.000 I'm just throwing it.

00:09:44.000 You asked me, I've been telling people this now for four months.

00:09:48.000 For four months.

00:09:50.000 I've been saying this because look, if he even, even, you know, Congresswoman Bass, they threw her name out there.

00:09:56.000 I mean, what a joke.

00:09:57.000 I mean, there's no way because first of all, she can't even really explain why she supported Fidel Castro, right?

00:10:04.000 And the Castro regime in Cuba.

00:10:07.000 She's not very well read then on her foreign policy if she can't explain that.

00:10:11.000 He's a socialist, a Marxist.

00:10:13.000 A lot of Cuban people died trying to come to America, you know, to escape Fidel's tyrannical government and socialist government.

00:10:23.000 I think there's other people that are going to be just way too controversial.

00:10:27.000 Kamala Harris is one of them.

00:10:29.000 I don't think that, you know, her platform, her past history, particularly as a prosecutor, is going to do well with the Black community.

00:10:39.000 But look, someone like Susan Rice, who has been, she covers all bases.

00:10:44.000 He wanted a woman. 0.99

00:10:45.000 He wanted a woman of color. 1.00

00:10:47.000 She understands the administration. 1.00

00:10:50.000 She'll come in with guns aurora, right? 0.98

00:10:53.000 She was pretty much right there beside President Obama the entire time.

00:10:57.000 And what do the Democrats want more than anything?

00:11:00.000 Obama's former team.

00:11:02.000 This includes former CIA director John Brennan, who lied before Congress, Clapper, James Comey, all of them.

00:11:10.000 They want retribution.

00:11:12.000 They want to take back America for themselves.

00:11:15.000 And Susan Rice would be the one to do it.

00:11:17.000 She would be the one to bring back the Iran deal, implement that Iran deal again, keep that legacy, Obama legacy going, this failed legacy, foreign policy legacy. 0.86

00:11:27.000 And by the way, she would really make America lead from behind because that's their policy.

00:11:32.000 They just don't see America as exceptional. 0.51

00:11:35.000 It falls right into their platform.

00:11:37.000 And I think with Joe Biden being kind of like a puppet for them, it would be like the perfect storm if he wins.

00:11:47.000 So, Sarah, can you walk us through as well?

00:11:50.000 Do you think there are going to be prosecutions by John Durham?

00:11:54.000 Oh, you know what, Charlie?

00:11:55.000 Yes, I think I absolutely hope so, because this will be the fear, right?

00:12:00.000 I believe in John Durham.

00:12:01.000 I believe he's an honest broker.

00:12:04.000 I also want to believe that Attorney General William Barr is an honest broker, that they're going to do the right thing, and that they are going to, because it's their legacy.

00:12:13.000 And I just talked a second ago about what Obama's legacy was and what he wanted it to be.

00:12:19.000 And it's been thankfully turned upside down in its head by President Trump and his team.

00:12:25.000 But for Barr and for Durham, their legacy in American history would be to restore justice back to our nation.

00:12:32.000 It would be to clean house.

00:12:34.000 And that's what we need to do.

00:12:36.000 No way should we allow it.

00:12:38.000 And I tell this to everybody: whether you like Trump or you don't like Trump, whether you like his policies or you don't like his policies, the American people voted for President Trump.

00:12:49.000 They voted for him.

00:12:50.000 They put him in office.

00:12:52.000 They wanted change.

00:12:53.000 They wanted this president.

00:12:56.000 We wanted change in America.

00:12:58.000 So what happened with these intelligence agencies and federal law enforcement agencies basically usurping, usurping our government, taking control and weaponizing the system to push out and try to coup an elected.

00:13:15.000 That's what they did.

00:13:16.000 I mean, it doesn't matter if somebody at the New York Times or the Washington Post or someplace else wants to write this intellectual story about how they did this for this reason or that reason.

00:13:30.000 They did this to remove a president of the United States that was duly elected by the American people.

00:13:36.000 And they continue to try to do that.

00:13:38.000 And they continue to target him.

00:13:40.000 So it is up to Barr and it is up to John Durham to right that wrong and to indict people for what they did and lay that argument out the way a great prosecutor can to the American people and say, guess what?

00:13:55.000 This is exactly what happened.

00:13:57.000 And now it's our choice as Americans to decide: do we want to give that all up?

00:14:02.000 Do we want to give up everything our founding fathers and everything our troops have sacrificed and fought for since the beginning of this nation?

00:14:13.000 Do we want to give that up?

00:14:14.000 Or do we want to clean house, move forward, put a president back in office that will defend the United States principles and our right?

00:14:25.000 Or do we want, you know, basically the puppet, which will be Joe Biden?

00:14:29.000 But if Barr waits until after the elections, then I am going to be highly suspicious.

00:14:35.000 And you know what?

00:14:37.000 I'm not going to ever trust him again.

00:14:39.000 So do you?

00:14:40.000 So are you seeing evidence that he is getting closer and closer to indictments?

00:14:46.000 Yeah, I am seeing evidence of that.

00:14:48.000 I mean, we know that they've been investigating now for some time a number of people.

00:14:54.000 That includes James Comey.

00:14:57.000 I've already been told by my sources that Durham has done extensive interviews actually with Peter Strzok.

00:15:04.000 He has also interviewed Joe Pianka, who is the only FBI agent still within the FBI that is, you know, right now, I think the person that nobody's heard from, the one that I keep saying over and over again for years, will Congress please call Joe Pianca to testify because he would know.

00:15:23.000 Remember, he was the one that interviewed Michael Flynn along with Peter Strzok at the White House in January 2017.

00:15:29.000 He was also the one that gave the defensive briefing to President Trump along with Governor Chris Christie as well as Michael Flynn in August of 2016 and was basically collecting information during that defensive briefing.

00:15:44.000 So, what we know now is Kevin Kleinsmith, who falsified the FISA, Joe Pianka, Peter Strzok, James Comey, who signed off on a lot of the, you know, the FISA, basically signed off on them so that they could renew those FISAs against Carter Page.

00:16:02.000 I think all of those people are under, you know, a microscope with John Durham.

00:16:08.000 And remember, it goes far beyond just them.

00:16:11.000 We're looking at issues that deal with John Brennan as well, because that's the reason why Attorney General Barr and Durham were in Italy.

00:16:20.000 They were in London.

00:16:21.000 They were interviewing intelligence officials overseas.

00:16:25.000 We still don't know what happened with Joseph Miffsud.

00:16:28.000 He has long since disappeared, although an Italian reporter says there's suspicions that he might be dead.

00:16:34.000 Who knows?

00:16:35.000 Others are saying he's still alive.

00:16:38.000 But there's a lot here that John Durham needs to do.

00:16:41.000 And I think those names that I gave you, including Andy McCabe, I think those names will possibly come under indictment.

00:16:49.000 Well, I hope you're right.

00:16:50.000 So, Sarah, switching gears, but also under the Department of Justice, you do a lot of reporting in that kind of arena.

00:16:56.000 Can you make sense of what's happening around the Epstein investigation with Ghelane Maxwell?

00:17:02.000 Oh my gosh, that is to me like one of the biggest stories that isn't getting looked at even closely enough.

00:17:10.000 We still, I feel, I feel like we still don't even have, and I know this is going to, I'm not trying to be conspiratorial, right?

00:17:17.000 I'm a journalist that goes by facts.

00:17:19.000 I've been in the war zone.

00:17:20.000 When you see things happen, you put pieces together, like one plus one, you know, equals two, right?

00:17:25.000 One plus two equals three.

00:17:27.000 So even with what happened with Epstein in jail and the fact that he apparently committed suicide by jumping off the second bunk when I talked to his attorney like several days before that he had seemed totally fine, that he had met with him.

00:17:48.000 I was speaking to David Schoen.

00:17:50.000 He said, yeah, I met with Epstein.

00:17:51.000 I think I'm going to work on his, you know, legal issues.

00:17:55.000 And he looked totally fine.

00:17:57.000 We talked to people.

00:17:58.000 He told me about what happened in the, you know, in the other cell.

00:18:02.000 And all of a sudden, he's dead.

00:18:05.000 And now Ghislaine Maxwell, you know, is in custody.

00:18:09.000 And, you know, people joke around on Twitter all over the place, Charlie, and on Instagram, like, Ghislaine Maxwell, you got to put her in like solitary and protect her and send it because she would have those answers, right?

00:18:21.000 Here's a guy that pretty much we are 100% sure was sex trafficking and peddling young girls, you know, to very wealthy, important people, including Prince Andrew, possibly, allegedly others.

00:18:38.000 And there is this like fear, this way, you know, and I've seen this in the past in smaller cases, like, you know, when you're covering local, you know, politics and someone gets caught, you know, doing something bad and everybody tries to cover up.

00:18:56.000 But this is far greater.

00:18:57.000 Look, I'll tell you something about Epstein that really is interesting to me.

00:19:02.000 For years, he operated, he flew this plane.

00:19:05.000 He was going back and forth to his island with all of these wealthy people.

00:19:08.000 I worked covering intelligence, stories that dealt with the CIA, with other foreign intelligence agencies.

00:19:16.000 If I was an intelligence agency overseas or even in the United States, I would have had that plane wired.

00:19:23.000 I would have had that island wired and I would have collected information on everyone that was flying back and forth, whether or not those people committed acts that were bad or not.

00:19:35.000 And that makes me very suspicious because then that tells me if that happened, which I believe it was very possible, if that happened, then there's a lot of people that could have been manipulated and used.

00:19:48.000 And our security could have been at risk if some other intelligence agency outside of the United States, if it was U.S. actors or vice versa, could have been, you know, their arms could have been twisted.

00:20:00.000 They could have pretty much been blackmailed for anything that they did.

00:20:04.000 So it'll be interesting to see what happens.

00:20:06.000 It'll be interesting to see if Ghislaine Maxwell gives up anything now in custody.

00:20:12.000 And whatever that information is, I'm sure we'll be watching it very closely.

00:20:16.000 And if anything happens to her, that's going to be a big question mark, I'm sure, for people.

00:20:21.000 It's going to leave a lot of doubt in people's minds.

00:20:24.000 Yeah.

00:20:24.000 So what do we have evidence that Bill Clinton was on the island or was on the plane?

00:20:31.000 This is now hotly debated.

00:20:33.000 And then, Sarah, can you clear up?

00:20:34.000 I've gotten so many emails that somehow Donald Trump was looped into this, which is a complete fabrication and a lie.

00:20:41.000 Can you help clarify that?

00:20:43.000 Oh, it's completely fabricated.

00:20:44.000 I mean, the charges against President Trump are completely fabricated.

00:20:49.000 One of the things that happens is you know this as well as I do, Charlie, that we go to a lot of events with a lot of different people.

00:20:57.000 You meet people, you say hi to them.

00:20:59.000 You don't even really know who they are, or you might know who they are, but you're really not close friends with them.

00:21:04.000 They're standing next to you.

00:21:06.000 You take pictures with them.

00:21:08.000 It doesn't mean you're best friends.

00:21:10.000 It doesn't mean you were flying to an island.

00:21:12.000 It doesn't mean you were.

00:21:13.000 I mean, look, I know people who were asked to go to the island, right?

00:21:18.000 And I'm not going to mention who, who were told, like, oh, you know, Epstein thinks you're brilliant.

00:21:23.000 He'd love to get you out here to talk to you.

00:21:26.000 You know, he could, you could, you fly to his island to meet with him.

00:21:29.000 People that I know that said, nah, no, I don't really, you know, nah, I don't have time or whatever.

00:21:35.000 As for Bill Clinton, there's actual proof.

00:21:38.000 There's actual evidence right now based on the logs that he was flying, you know, these charter planes.

00:21:43.000 And now we see, you know, based on the documents themselves that have been unsealed by the courts, that there is proof.

00:21:52.000 He is named in those documents, directly named in those documents, as well as others.

00:21:56.000 So look, I believe that you're always innocent, right, before being proven guilty.

00:22:02.000 There's always circumstances that could arise.

00:22:05.000 We understand that Prince Andrew, we saw him in a picture with this young girl.

00:22:11.000 So I think that the judicial thing would be to wait until it goes through the court system and to see what that evidence is.

00:22:23.000 I'm, you know, like everyone, I'm very concerned.

00:22:27.000 I think the worst thing that can happen to a child or to a woman or to a young boy is to be trafficked.

00:22:35.000 Sex trafficking is horrific.

00:22:37.000 I've covered those stories before in other countries, like in Thailand, even in the United States, in Africa, in Europe, where young women are trafficked and their lives are destroyed and children as well.

00:22:54.000 And so I want to take a moment to make sure, and I hope that the prosecutors gather all the evidence possible and take everybody they can, because it can't just be Ghislaine Maxwell, right?

00:23:08.000 This is what I'm talking about.

00:23:09.000 Like even with, even when we're dealing with Durham, we don't just want one guy.

00:23:14.000 We know that, you know, that the people on the lower rungs were taking orders.

00:23:19.000 I want to know who was giving the orders.

00:23:21.000 I want to know who was, if there was abuse, who was abusing these children, and they should come to, you know, they should be brought to justice.

00:23:31.000 And there should be justice for the people that have been harmed.

00:23:33.000 But we also have to know it's the truth.

00:23:36.000 I completely agree with that.

00:23:38.000 So, Sarah, can you also make sense for our audience about Antifa?

00:23:44.000 What is Antifa?

00:23:45.000 Who is funding them?

00:23:47.000 Because there's a lot of people out there that listen to our podcast that feel like we're under attack from within.

00:23:52.000 Can you help make sense of this for us?

00:23:55.000 I actually believe that we are.

00:23:57.000 I actually believe that the United States is under attack from within.

00:24:02.000 And I think a lot of it, Charlie, I've got to go back to what you're doing, you know, with Turning Point USA and, you know, exposing what's happened in our universities and our colleges.

00:24:12.000 And I think that for decades now, we haven't paid attention to what's happening.

00:24:17.000 And we have professors in colleges and universities.

00:24:20.000 We've seen it in California.

00:24:21.000 We've seen it across these United States that are actively promoting and pushing Marxism and socialism and anti-American values.

00:24:33.000 And they take young, impressionable people that may think that they are doing what's right based on what they've been exposed to because they haven't had a lot of experience like I have or you or others traveling through the world and seeing what it's really like.

00:24:52.000 And they're manipulated and lied to.

00:24:53.000 And they have these groups.

00:24:55.000 And we can see with Antifa that Antifa is not just, it's not just a bunch of kids that just show up one day, right?

00:25:02.000 We're seeing that there's weapons that they organize on social media, that they have leadership.

00:25:11.000 I've been talking to sources in the intelligence community, actually have worked on a number of cases where you can see groups in like Venezuela, for example, or in Cuba and in other parts of the world that are funneling money or funneling people into support these groups.

00:25:30.000 Now, that's really concerning to me.

00:25:32.000 And I'm not, and that's not just a conspiracy theory.

00:25:35.000 I mean, we could talk about BLM, Black Lives Matter, and the close connections between their groups, leaders, and people in Venezuela.

00:25:43.000 We could talk about how they espouse some of the same Marxist values that are in Cuba.

00:25:48.000 And you have to think.

00:25:50.000 I mean, maybe it's because I spend so much time in, you know, covering intelligence.

00:25:54.000 My mind always goes to like, how would I use these subversive groups in the United States if I'm from a foreign country, right?

00:26:03.000 How would I use them to create chaos before an election? 0.90

00:26:07.000 How would I, you know, this is what's really funny.

00:26:09.000 The Democrats in 2016 were so short, were so short.

00:26:15.000 Oh, that President Trump was, or they believed the lie or they just propagated the lie that President Trump was conspiring in his campaign with Russia and that the Russians were altering our election and putting, you know, putting advertisements in Facebook and they were changing American minds.

00:26:35.000 Look at what's happening right now.

00:26:37.000 It's right in their face, right?

00:26:39.000 It's right in their face.

00:26:40.000 We have Antifa rioting, taking down, you know, destroying our cities.

00:26:45.000 We have young people falling in line with groups like BLM.

00:26:49.000 Look, everybody's life mattered.

00:26:51.000 Black lives matter.

00:26:52.000 Asian lives matter.

00:26:53.000 White life, everybody's life matter. 0.89

00:26:55.000 Human life matters. 0.98

00:26:57.000 It matters to me.

00:26:58.000 Matters to me when it's in the womb.

00:26:59.000 It matters to me when it's outside.

00:27:01.000 It matters to me when it's a police officer on the street.

00:27:04.000 But when you take that and you create a group that opposes American values, they're basically using this poor man, George Floyd's life, to target our nation because of a horrible tragedy. 0.84

00:27:22.000 And then I think about other foreign countries and how they would utilize that to sow chaos in our nation, particularly right around the time of this election, you know, come November. 0.87

00:27:33.000 And we're seeing what's happening in our cities. 1.00

00:27:35.000 There's no doubt to me.

00:27:36.000 And, you know, I think, I hope, and I'd like to, you know, even with my foundation, do a lot more research into where these groups originate from, where they start, be able to expose them, be able to create reports on them.

00:27:50.000 I think that, particularly on our side, Charlie, the conservative movement does not have enough people doing investigations and research like the left has done, but basically the left's done with propaganda.

00:28:06.000 We need to get the truth out and we need to find out who's funding these groups, how they're being organized, and how they're being used.

00:28:14.000 I completely agree at that.

00:28:15.000 So, in closing, Sarah, can you give us a status update on China with the virus and how Americans should view our relationship with the Chinese Communist Party?

00:28:24.000 I think I'm right on board with you on this one, Charlie.

00:28:27.000 And we've talked about this on a number of Steve's shows, and I've seen you talk about this on a number of other shows.

00:28:33.000 Look, we need to be self-sufficient.

00:28:36.000 You've talked about this.

00:28:37.000 I've talked about this.

00:28:38.000 Our nation needs to start taking care of us first, America first. 1.00

00:28:46.000 We cannot afford to have the majority of our medical products, our PPEs, or our antibiotics, or our painkillers being made in China. 1.00

00:28:58.000 That's just unacceptable. 0.99

00:29:00.000 And I think what's so fascinating, what's so amazing about President Trump and about how he's handled China is that he's basically exposed how vulnerable we really are to China. 0.75

00:29:11.000 And he is the only one that has been willing to hold the Chinese Communist Party responsible. 0.60

00:29:18.000 I cannot believe when I watch the news, I cannot believe the gall of the Democrats when they basically say that President Trump is responsible for coronavirus.

00:29:29.000 No, the Chinese Communist Party is responsible for coronavirus. 0.55

00:29:34.000 We know there have been a number of problems with the Wuhan laboratories. 0.61

00:29:38.000 We understand where this came from.

00:29:40.000 We also know that China did not tell the world what was happening while it was happening in China.

00:29:47.000 We also know that the Chinese opened their skies and allowed people to fly from Wuhan to Europe while not letting them travel throughout the rest of China and Beijing. 0.95

00:29:59.000 Highly suspicious to me how the Chinese have behaved here. 0.99

00:30:03.000 And we have to hold them accountable, just like Gordon Chang has said. 1.00

00:30:06.000 We cannot back down.

00:30:07.000 Look at what's happened to the people of Hong Kong.

00:30:10.000 Look at what's happening across the board in our nation, not just here, but in other countries where China's tentacles have reached and just basically they've grabbed hold Central America, Africa, Afghanistan for crying out loud. 0.77

00:30:24.000 Everywhere I look, I see the Chinese Communist Party and their reach.

00:30:28.000 And I believe right now that China is doing everything in their power, everything in their power to try to fight this president, because now the Chinese government knows.

00:30:40.000 The president of China knows, Xi Jinping, knows that President Trump isn't going to take it anymore, that he's going to hold China accountable.

00:30:48.000 And, you know, I think he is absolutely right to squeeze China, get that trade deal done, and tell the Chinese: look, it's got to be reciprocal.

00:30:58.000 We're not going to sit here and allow you to do what you've done to us. 0.96

00:31:01.000 And they're responsible for all these deaths. 1.00

00:31:04.000 The Chinese, not us. 1.00

00:31:07.000 It's well said.

00:31:08.000 So, Sarah, how do people find out more about you?

00:31:10.000 SarahCarter.com, NoH, right?

00:31:12.000 And any other projects you want to share?

00:31:14.000 I had to go to saraacarter.com, no h.

00:31:17.000 You know, there's another Sarah Carter.

00:31:19.000 She's a beautiful artist.

00:31:20.000 You can go to her website too and get some of her paintings.

00:31:23.000 That's funny.

00:31:24.000 Well, yeah, you can also find me on Twitter at Sarah Carter DC.

00:31:28.000 Well, thank you.

00:31:29.000 And if anyone listening on your podcast wants to learn more, they can always listen to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:31:34.000 And we appreciate it so much, Sarah.

00:31:36.000 And thank you for everything and keep fighting.

00:31:39.000 And we'd love to have you back on again soon.

00:31:41.000 Yeah, I love it.

00:31:42.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:31:43.000 You bet.

00:31:43.000 Thank you so much.

00:31:46.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:31:48.000 Please email me your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:52.000 Type in Charlie Kirk Show to your podcast provider.

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00:32:03.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:32:05.000 Thank you guys so much for listening.

00:32:07.000 We got some big episodes coming up this week.

00:32:09.000 Make sure you listen to our sister episode about population collapse.

00:32:12.000 Thanks so much for listening.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 05, 2020

Epstein Bombshell and Durham Indictments with Sara Carter

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