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00:02:11.000I love this church, and Michelle, you guys do such a great job.
00:02:13.000And yeah, I mean, it's changed everything.
00:02:16.000You know, the best way I could analogize it is it's kind of like the Old Testament and the New Testament of your life, like BC and AD.
00:02:24.000It's like you don't even, it's like a different chapter of your life before you have a child.
00:02:29.000Getting married is, of course, the most important thing besides giving your life to Jesus Christ.
00:02:34.000I will say, though, that the transformation that occurs when you hold your child, if you get exactly what I mean.
00:02:42.000And if you don't, then get married and have kids because it's good for you and good for society.
00:02:47.000But also, I mean, I will say this it radicalizes me in the best possible ways.0.91
00:02:53.000And I inherently have difficulty, and I pray for forgiveness over this for the kind of bitterness I have towards the childless that are trying to ruin our society people that don't have children and people that don't want us to have children.0.94
00:03:09.000And they're telling you that we shouldn't have kids because of climate change or we should just have more abortions in our country.0.99
00:03:16.000It's the greatest gift from the Lord to have children.
00:03:18.000And we should celebrate that every single day.
00:05:25.000I do my mission work here domestically on college campuses.
00:05:29.000So, when I go to San Diego State University, they'll ask me, what makes Christianity different?0.94
00:05:35.000There's all these different religions, and who's to say that yours is correct or right?
00:05:39.000And appealing to reason usually doesn't always work in that moment.
00:05:43.000It has to be a soul thing, it has to have transformation from within.
00:05:47.000But it needs to be expressed that Christianity is the only faith that expresses where the divine took the temporal form, not out of any sort of the only explanation could be love.
00:05:58.000It's the greatest love story ever told.
00:06:00.000Which is, and this is why John 1 is so incredibly important, and the book of John is transformational, because it is the clearest about Christ's divinity.
00:06:10.000Christ's divinity is expressed in all Gospels, but it is by far the clearest in John, the seven I am statements, and then just John 1, that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word became flesh.
00:06:21.000If you think about it, the word in Greek is logos, and I'm sure Pastor John has walked you through this multiple times, but understanding what that meant in ancient Greek was that it was the.
00:06:32.000The idea that the universe has an infinite component to it.
00:06:39.000All of the stars, all of the constellations, the logos is the idea that we have gravity and physics, and it's the power that made that all come together from our DNA, from how you are perfectly and wonderfully made.
00:06:52.000The Greeks said the logos is the mind of the universe, if you will, the best way I could put it, is the designer.
00:06:58.000And what John says so clearly is that the logos then became human.
00:07:05.000And so let's contrast that with Buddhism.
00:07:07.000So in Buddhism, it is all about how dirty you as a human being are, and that you must shed your dirtiness as a human being to reach nirvana.
00:07:17.000If you talk to a true Buddhist, they think it is incomprehensible that the divine or the eternal would ever take human form.
00:07:26.000Like, why would the perfect ever become the dirty human?
00:07:30.000They said that we're supposed to become eternal by not talking, and by literally in Buddhism, not talking is one of the highest levels of climbing towards nirvana.
00:07:39.000And only the Buddha in their belief system did that.
00:08:53.000And God sees all of humanity, and he says, I love humanity so much, I'm going to give them one last eternal chance.
00:08:59.000And I'm going to take their form, not just broadcast it on billboards and say, give all your money to me and all this, but I'm going to walk alongside of you and among you.
00:09:08.000And so Jesus Christ is the most important thing in my life and it's transformed me from within.
00:10:11.000Take a few minutes, find out what's possible.
00:10:13.000Your next chapter may be closer than you think.
00:10:19.000And I get the amazing opportunity to dialogue with people of all different faiths.
00:10:23.000And, you know, without picking on, you know, different religions, you know, let's just say like the New Age Eastern religions, they're always grappling with this idea of like, I have to strip myself of all the earthly things and You know, if I just kind of get my chakra right, then I'll be able to get to enlightenment.
00:10:40.000Like, you're thinking way too much about this.
00:10:48.000And then the Greeks had a word for this, which is metamoufe, which is to metamorphosize you.
00:10:52.000And I know you guys have a men's conference coming up in Romans 12, 2, which is do not conform to the ways of this world, but instead be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
00:10:59.000It's the same word, renewal or revitalization or metamorphosis, which metamorphosis we think of kind of a caterpillar into a butterfly.
00:11:22.000Like, let's for example, you might have really been a big drinker, then you give your life to Christ, and then you try to be a big drinker again.
00:11:28.000You're like, you just feel like you're taking Jesus drinking along with you.
00:12:40.000And if I can bring just one person to Christ, I know there's one person I met earlier that was just an amazing testimonial, then it's a life well lived.
00:13:11.000You know, Charlie, I want to talk for a moment, just talking about our involvement in the church.
00:13:17.000And, you know, there's something lately that I've heard more, it's some titles that get thrown around, some things that the church is being called.
00:13:42.000This is now the number one narrative that will be pushed forward by a secular pagan regime to try to get the church not involved in politics.
00:13:51.000They have now broadcasted it, they've done a movie.
00:13:54.000People that I grew up really respecting, I'm saddened by this, John.
00:13:58.000And I like people like Russell Moore, who I end up reading a lot of his stuff.0.88
00:14:01.000He's going in movies saying that Christian nationalism is this huge threat, and he's partnering with secular pagans.0.97
00:14:07.000I was going to say satanic, but that's probably true too.0.96
00:14:10.000But secular pagans and making these films, you know, warning and cautioning about the growing threat of Christian nationalism.0.96
00:14:16.000And I always joke around I said, I've spoken to over 150 churches across the country.0.93
00:14:24.000Are you afraid of all the poor people that they're helping?
00:14:27.000Are you all the hungry people that they're feeding?
00:14:30.000Or all the marriages that they're saving, right?
00:14:32.000Are you afraid of all the people that are lost that now have direction because of the church?
00:14:38.000And what they're really afraid of is they're terrified that the Christian church might unite its political power and might be the no against the regime.
00:14:48.000And it is the conscience of the nation.
00:14:50.000And so, you know, I get asked all the time, are you a Christian nationalist?
00:15:35.000The church being deemed non essential?
00:15:38.000When strip clubs and marijuana dispensaries and liquor stores could remain open and the church has to close forcibly and Easter and Pentecost are taken from us?
00:15:47.000Or, I don't know, they go after our children and they try to chemically castrate them against their will.
00:15:53.000Where is the, did you shout them out earlier?
00:16:35.000Jeremiah, not to mention Elijah, who didn't just care about his nation, he confronted King Ahab and was like, let's throw this down on Mount Carmel and see who the real God actually is.
00:16:48.000They would call him, Elijah, you're being too political.0.63
00:16:51.000Elijah, how dare you confront the pagan forces?0.94
00:16:55.000Why don't you just preach the gospel, Elijah?0.84
00:16:57.000Why are you trying to throw it down on Mount Carmel?
00:17:38.000And I want a restoration of what unites all different tribes of this country, believing tribes and non believing tribes.
00:17:46.000One thing that we can all agree on is that the promise of the Declaration of the Constitution is one that is biblical, it is based largely and primarily on the book of Deuteronomy, it is one that is eternal.
00:17:56.000It hearkens back to even the supreme judge of the world, which you know in Revelation is Jesus Christ, who sits on the throne and judges.
00:18:03.000You read the last paragraph of the Declaration of Independence.
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00:19:44.000However, going back out of that, what we want at this time is for the Constitution to be restored, the church to never be deemed non essential again, for our children to be off limits, that the separation between adult and child is firm and is non negotiable, and we will never waver on that, that the distinctions between male and female will never be blurred.
00:20:06.000And let me just reiterate what I said earlier the biblical role for a Christian in the church is not to make politics your everything.
00:20:13.000It surprises my critics when I say that because they don't listen to what I say.
00:20:24.000Jesus needs to be the center of your church.
00:20:26.000But if you don't ever mention politics, if you don't ever mention what happens in your city, if you don't ever mention morality, you are failing your flock.
00:20:35.000And unfortunately, in today's time, the political band is growing and growing and growing because government is growing and growing and growing.
00:20:43.000So the threat to the church is growing.
00:20:45.000And are we going to be like the Christians in Nazi Germany that just sat idly by when the great horrors were continuing and the trains were bringing Jews to the concentration camps?
00:20:54.000Well, we don't want to be political because of Romans 13.
00:20:56.000That's not who we as Christians are in this country.
00:21:00.000So they're going to try to silence us.
00:21:01.000They're going to try to make us seem as if you're bad or you're some sort of fascist because you want a restoration of the American promise.
00:21:09.000Reject the premise, keep Scripture as the core.
00:21:12.000And I know the one thing that will unite us as a free society, which is a biblical society, is the Constitution.
00:21:18.000And getting back to a constitutional republic.
00:21:26.000You know, being a church leader and serving in a local congregation here in a community, why do you suppose that some church leaders, and you touched on it, are hesitant to take a stand against this flood tide of evil that we see coming in?
00:21:42.000What is it that stops them from being more bold about these things?
00:22:29.000The vast majority of people that call themselves pastors are not actually pastors.
00:22:32.000And I know that's a controversial thing to say.
00:22:34.000I believe a pastor is someone that has full spectrum involvement in the ails of the world to try to bring Christ and the truth of the scriptures to wherever it's needed.
00:22:43.000That means to youth ministry, to prison ministries, to marriage ministries, whatever it is.
00:22:47.000And that also means to the public square.
00:22:49.000They look at being a pastor as kind of a mixture between a motivational speaker and a TED talk.
00:22:56.000And their churches have kind of become like, I don't know, five ways to improve your happiness with good coffee and organized parking.
00:23:05.000And again, I'm not trying to overly insult, I'm trying to be more.
00:23:09.000I get these emails from these sweet people Charlie, you shouldn't pick on pastors so much.
00:23:14.000I mean, this is where I disagree with it.
00:23:17.000I have three different things of how I hold you to account.
00:23:22.000And the word judgment gets thrown around a lot.
00:23:24.000We are supposed to judge within the body, just so we're clear, okay?
00:23:27.000The world, I have a lot of, I have a heart for the lost.
00:23:31.000But here's the thing if you, if on campus, if someone comes up to me and they say, I'm a Marxist atheist, I hold them to a much lower standard than someone who comes up to me and says, I'm a believer.
00:23:42.000When they say I'm a believer, I say, okay, now we're talking.
00:23:55.000I'll give you multiple biblical examples.
00:23:56.000The entire book of Titus is all about.
00:23:59.000Church governance, and if you're in the administration of the holy, you're held to a higher standard.
00:24:03.000Paul wrote extensively about those in the head of the church have different rules, different customs, different accountability measures.
00:24:09.000If you are going to be in charge of an ecclesia or a body, the entire book of Leviticus is about if you are a priest, if you are in the handling of the holy, different rules, different customs, different clothes, different garments.
00:24:21.000And so, throughout the scriptures, it is screaming at us that if you're a pastor, it's just you're held to a higher standard.
00:24:27.000And let's go back to the Ten Commandments do not take the Lord's name in vain.
00:24:32.000Now, that means verbally, we should never say that I don't like when people throw around, oh my, you know, I don't like it.
00:24:39.000But I believe it actually is deeper than that, and it's not reading into it exegetically.
00:24:43.000The word is do not carry the Lord's name in vain, which you could interpret that in a lot of different ways.
00:24:50.000It is not too far to say, and the original rabbis would say this back 2,000, 3,000 years ago, which is that if you are going to do evil in the name of God, that is one of the most, that is the unforgivable thing you do.
00:25:03.000And if you really wrestle with that, it makes sense.
00:25:07.000Because, for example, if every pastor was an adulterer, it would destroy the faith.
00:25:15.000If every single pastor, think about it.
00:25:17.000They pick one pastor out of a thousand and it makes us all look bad, right?
00:25:23.000They're able to misrepresent the entire body of Christ.
00:25:27.000And so when you are in the role and you say, I am a pastor, which by the way, I never say I'm a pastor, I'm not a theologian, I'm a Christian, I'm a believer, and I love the word, okay?
00:25:37.000But when someone says they're a pastor, we immediately need to hold them to higher account.
00:25:41.000Because they're now telling you that I am a spokesperson, an interlocutor, a, dare I say, mediator for the scriptures.
00:25:49.000Now, Christ is the ultimate mediator, but they say that I'm here to help you understand this.
00:25:55.000And if they say something as blasphemous and as heretical, that, well, we don't do politics around here, we just do the gospel, then I believe you're going to be judged for that kind of heresy.
00:26:07.000And I don't think you should only talk about politics, but you're trying to tell me God is indifferent to the 1 million abortions happening in this country every single year?
00:26:16.000And that he wants his church just to kind of, you know, sit around and talk about how, you know, they read Live, Eat, and Pray or whatever that silly book is that, you know, more women would know than men or whatever.
00:27:13.000But I'll throw it back to you, John, with this.
00:27:15.000If you're going to step into the arena, Right now, at the very consequential times we're living in, the signs of the times all around us.
00:27:23.000And you're going to say, I'm a pastor, and you want that because of the lifestyle or the Instagram clicks, or you think that it's like a cool job, I highly recommend you get out of the arena because you're doing more harm than good.
00:27:38.000I talk about jobs and industries on this show all the time, but I didn't expect to find an entire skills trade community on TikTok plumbers, electricians, builders, and contractors sharing the work they do every day.
00:27:50.000And it went way beyond tips and tricks, people were sharing their craft.
00:27:54.000Connecting with local contractors and talking about how they were building their businesses and growing their teams.
00:27:59.000It opened my eyes to how people in the trades are using TikTok to share their skills, make connections, and find new opportunities.
00:28:05.000I remember thinking, this is exactly what we need more of people sharing what they know and creating opportunities for others.
00:28:11.000And I never expected to find a community like this.
00:28:16.000You start with something you know, and suddenly you're finding a whole new side of it that surprises you and leaves you wanting to know more.
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00:28:30.000You know, I wonder as you, and just to kind of capitalize on that a little bit more, and I do agree with you.
00:28:34.000I think when you read through scripture, there were times when God would call prophets to confront kings and would put a word in their mouth, and it wasn't an easy word to deliver.
00:31:18.000He's a well known theologian, and he became a friend through the book because I thought the book was totally off the mark.
00:31:24.000He said, One of the biggest problems is this rise of Christian nationalism.
00:31:27.000The way he defines it, I actually tend to agree if that was the term, which was like, Okay, the nation comes more important than Jesus.0.91
00:32:19.000So, I mean, that, so I don't find it that way.
00:32:21.000I will say, though, John, okay, I grant you, there might be a church somewhere, and again, I will say, if they are too political, how have I not heard of them?
00:32:30.000I just, you know, how have they not invited me to speak, right?
00:32:34.000Like, I just, I want to find these people.
00:33:15.000And hey, if there's a breaking news item and you feel led, then you just dive into it, right?
00:33:20.000And that is what it means to lead the ecclesia and the public square.
00:33:24.000Which is what church actually means in the original Greek.
00:33:27.000But the biggest problem right now in American Christianity, let's not fool ourselves, are pastors that do not dive into the current events.
00:33:35.000And better yet, they do not equip their flock to be able to read the news items and understand what the Bible says about trans surgeries?
00:33:46.000What does the Bible say about immigration?
00:33:49.000What does the Bible say about politicians?
00:33:54.000Should we submit to government all the time?
00:33:55.000Is there ever a right time to rebel against government?
00:33:58.000And so, what I have found is if the church, the flock, are not getting that kind of guidance from their church, they will go get it from a secular authority.
00:34:10.000And the tragedy of modern Christianity is you have millions of people going to church every single day, not being equipped with a biblical worldview.
00:34:19.000See, a biblical worldview, the best way I could put it is it is the color of which you see everything.
00:34:26.000So, once you get a biblical worldview taught by a good pastor like Pastor John, and so on and so forth, Is then you see a news item on CNN, like, well, that doesn't harmonize with my worldview.
00:34:39.000And you're trained then in the ways, so you no longer need the pastor to guide you through every news item.
00:34:44.000And that kind of training takes time, and you have to spend time in the scriptures, and you have to read the Bible every day, and you have to listen to Christian music, and you have to pray to God, and you develop that.
00:34:53.000And for new Christians, it might take a year, or two, or three, or four, or five, because you might still be looking at it through the secular old worldview.
00:35:00.000And sometimes you need to kind of get those muscles back into action, because sometimes you might be falling into kind of a secular way of thinking.
00:35:07.000But so many pastors will then do something even worse than that they'll take a secular New Age worldview and bring it into the church.
00:35:42.000It means ignorant, stupid, you know, and like, you know, oh, that person's really nice, you know, like, and how it metamorphosized into what we, you know, mean.0.99
00:35:50.000Now, you're so called to be kind, loving, compassionate, compassionate, long suffering, truthful.1.00
00:36:10.000So, you're trying to tell me that somebody's tone bothers you so much that you do not want Roe versus Wade to be repealed.
00:36:17.000Because if enough people thought the way you did in the 2016 presidential election with Hillary Clinton, we don't get Amy Coney Barrett, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch and Roe versus Wade to still law the land, and we would not have hundreds of thousands of lives be saved.
00:36:29.000So, I praise God we didn't think that way.
00:36:31.000By the way, the embassy would never have been moved to Jerusalem and Israel.